Guest Post: Falling Interest Rates Destroy Capital

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Keith Weiner of 'Gold and Silver and Money and Credit' blog,

I have written other pieces on the topic of fractional reserve banking ( and duration mismatch, which is when someone borrows short-term money to lend long-term and how falling interest rates actually encourages duration mismatch (

Falling interest rates are a feature of our current monetary regime, so central that any look at a graph of 10-year Treasury yields shows that it is a ratchet (and a racket, but that is a topic for another day!).  There are corrections, but over 31 years the rate of interest has been falling too steadily and for too long to be the product of random chance.  It is a salient, if not the central fact, of life in the irredeemable US dollar system, as I have written (


Here is a graph of the interest rate on the 10-year US Treasury bond.  The graph begins in the second half of July 1981.  This was the peak of the parabolic rise interest rates, with the rate at around 16%.  Today, the rate is 1.6%.

Pathological Falling Interest Rates


Professor Antal Fekete introduced the proposition that a falling interest rate (as opposed to a low and stable rate) causes capital destruction.  But all other economists, commentators, and observers miss the point.  It is no less a phenomenon for being unseen.  In early 2008, a question was left begging: how could a company like Bear Stearns which had strong and growing net income collapse so suddenly?


Here is Bear’s five-year net income and total shareholder’s equity





















Isn’t that odd?  Even in 2007, Bear shows a profit.  And they show robust growth in shareholder equity, with only a minor setback in 2007.


And yet, by early 2008 Bear experienced what I will call Sudden Capital Death Syndrome.  JP Morgan bought them on Mar 16, for just over $1B.  But the deal hinged on the Fed taking on $29B of Bear’s liabilities, so the real enterprise value was closer to $-19B.


Obviously, Bear’s reported “profit” was not real.  And neither was their “shareholder’s equity”.  I think it something much more serious than just a simple case of fraud.  Simple fraud could not explain why almost the entire banking industry ran out of capital at the same time, after years of reporting good earnings and paying dividends and bonuses to management.


Also, other prominent companies were going bankrupt in 2008 and 2009 as well.  These included Nortel Networks, General Growth Partners, AIG, two big automakers.


I place the blame for Sudden Capital Death Syndrome on falling interest rates.  The key to understanding this is to look at a bond as a security.  This security has a market price that can go up and down.  It is not controversial to say that when the rate of interest falls, the price of a bond rises.  This is a simple and rigid mathematical relationship, like a teeter-totter.


A bond issuer is short a bond.  Unlike a homeowner who takes out a mortgage on his house, a bond issuer cannot simply “refinance”.  If it wants to pay off the debt, it must buy the bonds back in the market, at the current market price.


Let’s repeat that.  Anyone who issues a bond is short a security and that security can go up in price as well as go down in price.


Everyone understands that if a bond goes up, the bondholder gets a capital gain.  This is not controversial at all.  Nor is it controversial to say that there are two sides to every trade.  And yet it is highly controversial—to the point of being rejected with scorn—that the other side of the trade from the bondholder incurs the capital loss.  It is the bond issuer’s capital that flows to the bondholder.  To reject this is to say that money grows on trees.


We won’t explore that any further; money does not grow on trees!  Instead, we will look at this phenomenon of the capital loss of the bond issuer from several angles: (1) Hold Until Maturity; (2) Mark to Market; (3) Two Borrowers, Same Amount; (4) Two Borrowers, Different Amounts; (5) Net Present Value; (6) Capitalizing an Income; (7) Amortization of Plant; and (8) Real Meaning of an Interest Rate.


Hold Until Maturity

There is an argument that the bond issuer can just keep paying until maturity.  While that may be true in some circumstances, it misses the point.  When one enters into a position in a financial market, one must mark one’s losses as they occur, no matter than one may intend to hold the position until maturity.  How would a broker respond in the case of a client who shorted a stock and the stock rose in price subsequently?  Would the broker demand that the client post more margin?  Or would the broker be sympathetic if the client explained how the company had poor prospects and that the client intended to hold the short position until the company’s share price reflected the truth?

Mark to Market

The guiding principle of accounting is that it must paint an accurate and conservative picture of the current state of one’s finances.  It is not the consideration of the accountant that things may improve.  If things improve, then in the future the financial statement will look better!  In the meantime, the standard in accounting (notwithstanding the outrageous FASB decision in 2009 to suspend “mark to market”) is to mark assets at the lower of: (A) the original acquisition price, or (B) the current market price.


There ought to be a corresponding rule for liabilities: mark liabilities at the higher of (A) original sale price, or (B) current market price.  Unfortunately, the field of accounting developed its principles in an era where a fall in the rate of interest from 16% to 1.6% would have been inconceivable.  And so today, liabilities are not marked up as the rate of interest falls down.


Refusing to put ink on paper does not change the reality, however.  Closing one’s eyes does not prevent one from falling into a pit on the path in front of one’s feet.  The capital loss is very real, as we will explore further below.

Two Borrowers, Same Amount

Let’s look at two hypothetical companies in the same industry, pencil manufacturing.  Smithwick Pen sells a 20-year $10M bond at 8% interest.  It uses the proceeds to buy pencil-manufacturing equipment.  To fully amortize the $10M over 20 years, Smithwick must pay $83,644 per month.


The rate of interest now falls to half its previous rate.  Barnaby Crayon sells a 20-year $10M bond at 4%.  Barnaby buys the same equipment as Smithwick and becomes Smithwick’s competitor.  Barnaby pays $60,598 per month to amortize the same $10M debt.  Is it correct to say that both companies have identical balance sheets?  Obviously Barnaby will have a better income statement.  This is because it has a superior capital position, and this should be reflected on the balance sheets.  It certainly is not because of its superior product, management, or marketing.


Let’s look at this from the perspective of the capital position: the present value of a stream of payments.  Obviously, at 4% interest the monthly payment of $60,598 has a present value of $10M (otherwise we made a mistake in the math somewhere).  But what is the value of an $83,644 monthly payment at the new, lower rate of 4%?  It is $13.8M.  Smithwick’s has just experienced the erosion of $3.8M of capital!  This is reflected in reality, by the uncontroversial statement that it has a permanent competitive disadvantage compared to Barnaby.  Barnaby can undercut Smithwick and set prices wherever it wishes.  Smithwick is helpless.  Most likely, Barnaby will eke out a subsistence living, until the rate of interest falls further.  When Cromwell Writing Instruments borrows money at 2%, then Smithwick will be put out of its misery.  And Barnaby will be forced into the untenable position it had previously placed Smithwick.


It should be noted that the longer the bond maturity, the bigger this problem becomes.  For example, if this were a 30-year bond, then Smithwick would take a $5.4M hit to its capital if interest rates were 8% when it issued the bond and then fell to 4%.

Two Borrowers, Different Amounts

This is not the only way that a competitor can exploit the capital loss of a company who made the mistake of borrowing at a too-high interest rate.  Let’s look at the case of Poddy Hoddy Hotel and Casino.  Poddy sells a 20-year $100M bond at 8%, and has a monthly payment of $836K.  It builds a nice hotel and casino with bars, a restaurant, a pool, and a few jewelry stores.


A short while later, Xtreme Hotels sells a $138M bond at 4%, and has the same monthly payments.  The extra $38M goes into a second pool with a swim-up bar, another restaurant that is themed based on the Galapagos Islands, bigger and more opulent retail stores, and a spiral glass elevator to take guests up to their rooms while enjoying the breathtaking 270-degree views of the city.


Which hotel will consumers prefer?


The Poddy Hoddy Hotel may have been planned based on accurate market research that showed real demand for such a hotel in that location.  Unfortunately, the falling interest rate has undermined it.  Its investors will likely lose money.


The Xtreme Hotel, on the other hand, is probably a mal-investment.  It is likely a project for which there is no real demand.  But the falling interest rate gives a false signal to the entrepreneur to build it.  Of course, the Xtreme won’t be the one to experience Sudden Capital Death Syndrome first.  That fate will befall Poddy.  Xtreme’s turn will come later, at a lower interest rate.


With Smithwick, one might argue that it can pay off its bond in the 20 years it originally expected, so it has not experienced a loss.  But in fact, there is a loss even from this angle.  Smithwick is paying off its 8% bond at $83,644 per month.  But the rate of interest is now 4%, which should be a payment of $60,598.  The accurate way to look at this is that Smithwick is paying off a market-rate bond plus a penalty of $23,046 for every month remaining before the bond is fully amortized.


With Poddy Hoddy, one might similarly argue that it can pay off its bond as planned, so it has not taken a loss.  But the loss here is even clearer.  By borrowing $100M at a rate that was too high, it has effectively dissipated the extra $38M that its competitor, Xtreme, put to good use.  It will pay for this waste every month for 20 years (or until it goes bankrupt).


By not marking the losses at Smithwick and Poddy, the accountants are not doing these companies or their investors any favors.  In the short run, these companies may declare “profits” and based on that pay dividends to investors and bonuses to management.  But sooner or later, they will meet Barnaby and Xtreme who will deal the coup de grace of Sudden Capital Death Syndrome.

Net Present Value

As alluded above, one can calculate the Net Present Value (NPV) of a stream of payments.  First, let’s look at the formula to calculate the present value of a single payment is:

It should be obvious that the present value of a payment is lower the farther into the future it is to be made.  One does not value a payment due in 2042 the same as a payment to be made next year.  What is not so glaring is that the value is lower for higher rates of interest.  A $1000 payment due next year is worth $909 if the rate of interest is 10%, but $990 at 1%.  This difference is amplified due to compounding.  At 10 years, the payment is worth $385 at 10% versus $905 at 1%.


The NPV of a stream of payments is the sum of the value of each payment.  The value of a $1000 payment made annually for 20 years is $9818 at 8% interest.  That same payment at 4% has an NPV of $13,590, a 38% increase.


It is important to emphasize that while the bond issuer’s monthly payment is fixed based on the amount of capital raised and the interest rate at the time, the NPV of its liability must be calculated at the current rate of interest.  The market (and the universe) does not know nor care what bond issuer’s entry point was.  Objectively, all streams of payments of $1000 per month have the same value at a given maturity and current interest rate, regardless of the original rate.

Capitalizing an Income

Let’s look at this from yet another angle.  An income can be capitalized, and the purpose of capital is to produce an income.  Professor Antal Fekete wrote[3]:


“Suppose you are a worker taking home $50,000 a year in wages. When your income-flow is capitalized at the current rate of interest of, say, 5 percent, you arrive at the figure of $1,000,000. The sum of one million dollars or its equivalent in physical capital must exist somewhere, in some form, the yield of which will continue paying your wages. Capital has been accumulated and turned into plant and equipment to support you at work. Part of your employer’s capital is the wage fund that backs your employment. Assuming, of course, that no one is allowed to tamper with the rate of interest.” [Emphasis in the original]


“Suppose for the sake of argument that the rate of interest is cut in half to 2½ percent. Nothing could be clearer than the fact that the $1,000,000 wage fund is no longer adequate to support your payroll, as its annual yield has been reduced to $25,000. This can be described by saying that every time the rate of interest is cut by half, capital is being destroyed, wiping out half of the wage fund. Unless compensation is made by adding more capital, your employment is no longer supported by a full slate of capital as before. Since productivity is nothing but the result of combining labor and capital, the productivity of your job has been impaired. You are in danger of being laid off ? or forced to take a wage cut of $25,000.”


Without capital, human productivity is barely enough to produce a subsistence living.  Without tools, one is obliged to work long hours at back-breaking tasks in order to have a meager meal, some sort of clothing, and something to keep the rain off one’s head.  Capital destruction is the process of moving backwards towards a time where one worked harder to obtain less.


As described earlier, when the rate of interest falls, it erodes the capital of every bond issuer.  If one looks at this capital as being the wage fund (or part of it is the wage fund), then the bond issuer can no longer afford to pay its employees the same wage.  If it does continue the same wage anyway, it will eventually suffer the consequences of running out of capital.

Amortization of Plant

Now let’s consider the concept of amortizing equipment and plant at Smithwick Pen.  Smithwick borrows $10M to buy equipment.  Out of its revenues, it must set aside something to amortize this over the useful life of the equipment, which is 20 years in our example.  This set-aside reduces net income; it is not profit but capital maintenance assuming the company intends to remain in business after the current generation of equipment and plant wears out.


How much should it set aside every month?  This is the inverse of the NPV calculation.  We are now interested in the current monthly payment to arrive at a fixed sum at a future point in time (as opposed to the present value of a stream of fixed payments).  The lower the rate of interest, the more Smithwick must set aside every month in order to reach the goal by the deadline.  To understand this, just look at what Smithwick must do.  Each month, it puts some money into an interest-bearing account or bond.  Even if it chooses the longest possible maturity for each payment (i.e. the first payment is put into a 20-year bond, the next into a 19-year 11-month bond, etc.) it is clear that if interest rates are falling then each payment must increase to compensate.  Smithwick’s profits are falling with the rate of interest!


If Smithwick persists in setting aside every month what it initially calculated when it purchased the pencil-making equipment, it will have a shortfall at the end, when it needs to replace the equipment.

Real Meaning of an Interest Rate

Let’s consider what it really means to have a high or a low rate of interest.  I propose to do reductio ad absurdum.  We will look at two cases (which would be pathological if they occurred) to make the point clearer.


The first case is if the rate of interest is 100%.  This means that a $1000 payment one year from today is worth ½ of the nominal value, or $500 today.  A payment due in two years is worth $250 today, etc.  At this rate of interest, for whatever reason, “future money” is worth very little present money.  In other words, the burden experienced by the debtor is a small fraction of the nominal value of the debt.


The second case is if the rate of interest is zero.  This means that a $1000 payment due one year from today or 100 years from today is worth $1000 today.  At this rate of interest, for whatever reason, future money is worth every penny of its nominal value today.  There is no discount at all, not for the loss of use of the money in the meantime, not for the risk, not for currency debasement.  In other words, the burden experienced by the debtor is the full nominal value of the debt.


Again, to emphasize, one must use the current market rate of interest not the rate of interest contracted by the borrower at the time of the bond issuance.


The lower the rate of interest, the more highly one values a future payment.  The higher the rate of interest, the more highly one discounts a future payment.  These statements are true whether one is the payer or the payee.  The payer and payee are just parties on opposite sides of the same trade.


Irving Fisher, writing about falling prices (I shall address the connection between falling prices and falling interest rates in a forthcoming paper) proposed a paradox[4]:


“The more the debtors pay, the more they owe.”


Debtors slowly pay down their debts and reduce the principle owed.  This would reduce the NPV of their debts in a normal environment.  But in a falling-interest-rate environment, the NPV of outstanding debt is rising due to the falling interest rate at a pace much faster than it is falling due to debtors’ payments.  The debtors are on a treadmill and they are going backwards at an accelerating rate.


How apropos is Fisher’s eloquent sentence summarizing the problem!

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knukles's picture

Irving Fisher, The Rate of Interest, 1907, McMillan Co.

AldousHuxley's picture

10 Year Treasury Constant Maturity Rate Graph


1950: 2.5%

1960: 5%

1970: 7.5%

1983: 15%

1990: 7.5%

2000: 5%

2010: 2.5%


Game Over!

The Monkey's picture

You forgot 2012 (1.5%), and I should mention the 10 year JGB is @ something like 0.75%.

derek_vineyard's picture

TIPS have negative yield up to 20 year maturities.

disabledvet's picture

absolutely...which is why this is "full retard math" presented in this article..."WITHOUT EVIDENCE." the people who write this crap should have their balls ripped a financial sense of the term of course. the fact of the matter is capital investment in NON FINANCIAL REAL GOODS has been surging for over a decade. So some stinking cocktard is bitching because the REAL RETURN IS ON THE LOWER PRICE OF A GOOD (natural gas, solar panels, cloud computing) just says to me BUY YOU'RE PHUCKING DEBT OF PHUCKTARD TOWN...i don't care...AND NEITHER DO THE NUMBERS. "It's your money to lose." it is simply not the responsibility of the American people to pay the price for folks who know nothing but how to pay too much for EVERYTHING..."because we use debt and MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF LEVERAGE to do everything in our puny and now defunct existence." IS the responsibility of the American people to AVOID AND POINT OUT SUCH BEHAVIOR AS WRONG at every turn possible. Let the government claim "we are not responsible for the bankruptcy of the State of California." All the American people need do is make sure they don't live there...that's all. How odd that a sight devoted to the intrinsic value of gold would spew such trash.

NotApplicable's picture

Wouldn't it have been easier to simply state "I don't understand why loans have a pre-payment penalty!"?

Hmm...'s picture

It seems to me that the author has been fooled by a confounding variable.

it is true that over time interest rates have fallen, and also that during that time one can argue that capital has been destroyed.  (one could also argue that fictious capital that never really existed is being destroyed, but I digress. 

However, one (falling interest rates) does not cause the other (capital destruction).

The real problem is that exponential debt creation cannot continue forever.  A bond is obviously a debt instrument. Any debt created with a positive interest rate requires MORE money in the future for that debt to be satisisfied.  For instance, $100 in debt with a 10% interest rate requires $10 dollars to be created within one year.

Over time as more and more debt instruments are created (including the Federal Reserve Note which is a DEBT instrument), you have more and more liabilities.  Thus, you "need" more money creation in order to pay off these ever increasing liabilities.  If new money is not created then you will have default (i.e. capital destruction).

The Central bank will of course oblige, creating hordes of money.  It's what they do.
But then this newly created money gets recycled back into the debt market.  Increased money available to purchase debt leads to higher bond prices, which leads to a lower bond yield.  The falling Fed Funds rate then FOLLOWS (not leads) the private market.  Look at what happened in 2007-2008... the Fed Funds Rate was far behind what "the market" was showing for some time.  Similarly, 2003-2005 the Fed Funds Rate was behind where the market was.

Perhaps more simply put, creation of debt is what leads to capital destruction... the falling interest rates are a side show. 

On a side note, the biggest problem BY FAR is not the Fed "printing", at least not directly.  The biggest problem is Fractional Reserve Banking which allows the banks to create $10 in debt for every $1 of "printed" money.

The Fed "printing" is a major issue.  but the banks converting every $1 into $10 (or $30, or $100) of debt is a much larger problem.  The Fed is still to blame, because Fractional Reserve banking would not be AS EFFECTIVE without the Fed.

My last point is something that I believe many Fed haters miss.  Yes, we should end the Fed.  But it will not stop boom/busts and depressions (we had MANY US depressions prior to Fed Creation).  What is more important is to ban Fractional reserve lending.  THEN end the fed.


NotApplicable's picture

I think you're getting hung up on the word "destruction". Capital is destroyed in the sense of being removed from a profitable environment to a sub-marginal one, where income can no longer be generated at a pace to justify the investment. Now, some capital may be able to be sold but certainly not all of it. So it sits in an underutilized state while it decays further.

Oracle of Kypseli's picture

It looks very similar to a home buyer, when falling home prices require that additional equity is needed to refinance from 8% to 4%, thus drowning the owner.

rwe2late's picture


there is one solution the banks really hate

... some local governments are considering using "eminent domain" to seize underwater properties at "market value" (and then resell them to the occupants).

Doña K's picture

So then, you say when a 300K house which is now $150k as a rough example;

mortgage is say: 250K@8%/360M=$1,834 will go to

$150k@3.53%/360M=$676  (a bit more than 1/3)

That amount is less than rent or equivalent and doable. Thus, the community does not get devasted and the homeowner has now incentive to stay. But...the mortgage bond value is now zero. (For practical purposes the loosers for each particular property are unidentifiable.)

This is a case where a loophole design to favor big business, is turned arround. Brilliand. We need more brave municipalities. 

Hmm...'s picture

I think you're getting hung up on the word "destruction".


I agree with you.  I just think that it should be noted that a lot of the capital being destroyed never really existed.  It was phantom wealth created by fractional reserve lending and limitless creation of debt.

Popo's picture

"  The falling Fed Funds rate then FOLLOWS (not leads) the private market.  Look at what happened in 2007-2008... the Fed Funds Rate was far behind what "the market" was showing for some time.  Similarly, 2003-2005 the Fed Funds Rate was behind where the market was.

Perhaps more simply put, creation of debt is what leads to capital destruction... the falling interest rates are a side show. "


Gold star for you!  (And a +1) 

reader2010's picture

Everyone needs income, and nobody's getting that from deposits nor from gold.  The message is that you need to "invest", which means to be robbed by the Wall Street. 

fonzannoon's picture

Everybody does not need income from their investments. If you are getting total return that is just as well, Ask anyone who owns bonds. It ain't for income at present. People flipping condo's in Miami in 2004 were not looking for income.

What is plain as day to see is that Zirp followed by Nirp is going to crush the insurance companies and a lot of banks too. It creates a breaking point.

reader2010's picture

If nobody's looking for investment income,  you end up with the fools that buying Nasdaq in 1999 and buying RE in 2006 because they firmly believed the Total Retard shit, such as the Total Return.

AldousHuxley's picture

Nasdaq crash was only bad for long greedy.

smart hedgies made tons of money going short.


ride up the gains then turnaround and short till 0.


don't be greedy, then you will be ok.

disabledvet's picture

REALLY???? "Now you're a market timer"? From whence comes this "extraordinary wisdom"? Let me answer that: "because wisdom it ain't." Bulls and bears make money moron..."not Mr. Smarty Pants." Indeed "look at the devastation wrought on the ENTIRETY of Wall Street because of the WONDROUS Big Short." Ah, if "only we were so smart." Rouseau had it right...all the start of the Arts and Sciences has done for man is create more effective ways at destroying everything.

aerojet's picture

I wasn't paying attention during the Nas crash in the early 2000s, but it seems to me that the HFT algos of today will eat you alive if you try to short.  They have the ability to blow out your stops and force you to sell at a loss.  Bottom line, anyone small trying to short gets skullfucked.

Doña K's picture

True, But you can buy long dated puts and wait.

FieldingMellish's picture

Or buying zero or even negative rate bonds in 2012.

I should be working's picture

I wonder what the price of gold will be if bonds have a negative nominal return?

FieldingMellish's picture

We may be about to find out with Swiss and German 2yr already exchanging signs. I suspect this might spill over to the US and maybe even creep up the curve. The results could be quite dramatic.

The Monkey's picture

The changes in the yield curves are quite menacing. 30 year rates have gone beyond what I can comfortably hold, but I have this feeling they will sink a lot more.

The Monkey's picture

From what I've read (gold miners), all else being equal, gold performs well in environments with falling real interrest rates, and poorly when real interest rates are rising. I don't know that the nominal rate matters.

FieldingMellish's picture

Correct. Nominal rates are more or less meaningless when it comes to gold.

mrdenis's picture

How crushed will pensions get? 

Nachdenken's picture

Pensions is a generalisation. Returns on pension portfolios are drying up, a great many are netting out time based returns .  All long term investment calculations need to be very modest, risk on,on.

disabledvet's picture

wonderful dialogue. Socrates is smiling.

FieldingMellish's picture

You are 65 years old. Your financial advisor says its time to turn your retirement fund into an annuity (or a bond ladder if you'd rather). Your fund, now severely depleted, buys very much less than you had planned it to. Oh well, you say, I will just have to tighten my belt. Problem. The yield of your annuity (or your bond ladder) follows long term interest rates which are now record lows. Not only has your capital been crushed but now the yields are too. Tighten that belt further. Now... inflation returns but you are stuck in a (much smaller) fixed yield annuity at crushingly low (or negative) real rates. As inflation increases you find you have to tighten that belt harder and harder until eventually you need to rely on income assistance from a gov't that is already DEEPLY in debt. Result for the boomers: print, print, print and pain, pain, pain. BTW, the peak of the boom was 1961 so still 14 years to go until they start retiring. I would hope they plan accordingly.

Doña K's picture

If you retire and have limited savings/investments. Pick up and go to Indonesia, Thailand, South America and other countries where you only need $2k/month to have decent life and fun at the same time. Added bonus, you can never be cold.

The fear though of many, is that the gov. may start requiring that you live in the US in order to collect SS payments. In that case you set up a direct deposit and have a US address of record, but live overseas. If you were in the Phillipines for example you may setup an address in Guam or Northern Marianas which are US territories and visit there every so often. (2hr flight from Manila)

Same with Central American countries if you need to visit the 48 states instead.

Yes! Plan ahead

aerojet's picture

Unless gold, too, is in a bubble, which it is.  I suspect that when all the malinvestment comes home to roost, the liquidity holding up gold will have to sell to cover other losses, taking metals (and all commodities) down with it.  There are no safe havens.

FieldingMellish's picture

Given the small fraction of portfolios that hold gold, I would not classify it as a bubble just yet. Maybe when you start seeing gold-for-cash commercials on TV.

Citxmech's picture

If this is true I'm going to end up with a lot of gold. . .

Manthong's picture

It might be a lot simpler than folks are making it out to be.

Something like $5 Trillion sits in deposit accounts that lose money every month to inflation.

A lot of people are going to figure out that a mattress is safer than a deposit account that is backed by nothing, pays nothing, is insured by nothing and is threatened with investment risk and state capital controls.. and they will all figure it out at the same time.

You will see more than a little destruction then.

Nachdenken's picture

There is the other side to the book entry.  Deposits are lent out or invested, and those returns balance out losses and then some.  Which is the value added, on the other side of the equation.

disabledvet's picture

meaning "the equity market." If i get the oil out of the ground and create a useful product with it...have I done "God's work" then? (not saying I'm Godly by saying this btw...

aerojet's picture

There is not enough return, though, because growth has stopped and we are in reversal.

cynicalskeptic's picture

When 'income' is less than the losses due to inflation, you're still losing out.  And even 'growth' can be meaningless under some circumstances.  The Zimbabwe Stock Market was the best performing in the world as far as growth in value went - but values still lagged the rate of inflation.

Sometimes the mere preservation of value - maintaining the purchasing power of your savings i s the best you can hope for.

The Monkey's picture

Monetary policy has a limit. Whereas in Zimbabwe, money was literally printed and handed out, the Fed has no way to directly put money in the hands of consumers. If they inflate the money supply and weaken the dollar, commodities spike (circa 2008), causing a crunch in real income and earnings. Limited benefit when you're already close to a top.

I think they get a lot more bang for their buck if they allow the market to correct a bit and can more appropriately size policy and get more benefit. Reserve the printing for the situation it's really needed. But, who knows. It's an election year and we are talking about Helicopter Ben and his insane posse.

Lower rates via communicating a longer low rate period might support the market without resorting to printing. Wouldn't do anything for gold, but might squeeze another few basis points out of the 30 year.

disabledvet's picture

the Fed CAN do that..."but it is illegal." Which goes to prove "some forms illegality have more merit than other forms." Having said that "there is nothing to prevent the Fed from lending DIRECTLY to the People if need be" thus bypassing the State and Wall Street altogether.

LMAOLORI's picture


Ding, ding, ding we have a winner! Keep in mind if interest rates rise they also rise on govt. debt. and that might hinder obama's & the politicians insane spending. Global bankers are Fabian Socialists and it's all part of the plan to eventually destroy the dollar and capitalism. 

aerojet's picture

None of them have any plan. 

Errol's picture

None of them have any plan other than to juice their bonus.  Talking about next year is sooo 19th century!

blunderdog's picture

Sounds like the final conclusion we must draw is that Central Bank manipulation of interest rates is the problem.  In a properly functioning financial system, every interest rate must be determined after measuring risk.

The Fed can't do that.

I think this point has been raised before.

AUD's picture

When the obligations of the central bank are irredeemable there is no other option than manipulation.

blunderdog's picture

Right, it's simple enough to understand.  But not so many folks really delve into distinguishing between capital and currency.

Harbanger's picture

Very simple really. I had one Grandma that never even went to school at all, but she knew about saving money for fixed capital and the currency it produced.