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Guest Post: Fed Trapped By Inflation

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Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:41 | 1834646 hambone
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Come on Ben, when in doubt, whip it (QE) out!!! 

You legacy is shit anyway so might as well go for worst Fed chairman ever...you can overtake Greenspan if you just try keep it up!

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:44 | 1834680 MarketTruth
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Instead of using the word inflation, the phrase that should be used is "currency devaluation". For the Federal Reserve seeks to devalue the buying power of the currency by 2% annually, or ~21% in a decade, or worse still ~43% every 20 years. Thus the Federal Reserve Debt Note (a.k.a. US Dollar) currency loses 43% of its value (buying power) in only 20 years.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:52 | 1834712 Cynical Sidney
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bi-mandate of the fed:

1. increase inflation, increase unemployment and enslave the masses in fiat debt.

2. bailout financial criminals and the 1%

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:02 | 1834742 Troublehoff
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with very high inflation we would likley see high employment

deflation is what causes unemployment

 

but yes, agree, their mandate is financial slavery :)

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:09 | 1834767 akak
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deflation is what causes unemployment

Yeah, like that vicious deflation that accompanied the high unemployment of the mid and late 1970s.

(/sarc)

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:17 | 1834796 Uber Vandal
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Zimbabwe had an inflation rate in which prices would double in but 24.7 hours (http://www.cato.org/zimbabwe), and their unemployment rate was about 95% (http://www.indexmundi.com/zimbabwe/unemployment_rate.html).

Clearly, this has all the signs of deflation. <sarc>

OT but related:

Anyone like the article about peanut butter going up 40%?

(http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/12_for_action/call12-peanut-butter-prices-g...)

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 20:01 | 1834977 sqz
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There will be NO announcement of QE 3 tomorrow.   Why?   Because the Fed has trapped itself into a corner.

I don't want to laugh since the consequences to innocents will be painful to say the least, but, this is naive.

The Fed will find a way to print, especially with Bernanke at the helm - it is his academic speciality, if you read any of his papers, and he already has copious form.

Also, inflation targetting hasn't stopped Mervin King, the governer of the Bank of England, from grossly overshooting the UK's official inflation target with multiple QE programmes. Yet he does not even have a dual mandate!

Betting on Bernanke NOT printing would be like betting a full 5yr old can hold it in for an intercontinental flight!

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 21:22 | 1835182 strannick
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any further cost pressures on the consumer is going to drive the economy into a recession.

Well, we wouldnt want the economy driven into a recession now, would we?

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 22:41 | 1835393 flacon
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Which way causes the most mass casualties, meyhem, and loss of human life? Which ever way that is, that is the way they will go because that is their purpose to rid this world of the cancer of human beings. So.... can they kill people by hyperdeflation where there IS NO MONEY (only "stuff"), or can they kill people by hyperinflation where there IS ONLY MONEY (and nothing else)? Which way is the best way to kill 6 billion people? Keep in mind they also want to rid the world of chinky-eyed communist Chinese just as much as they want to kill blue cow-eyed "Euro/Ameri-peans"...

 

 

Brzezinski: "Its easier to kill a million people...than it is to control them"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKzEpQc-yo8

 

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 22:06 | 1835290 GoinFawr
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 'incontinental' flight.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 22:32 | 1835358 TruthInSunshine
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This is not 1933.

The Bernank should shove his self-proclaimed expertise on The Great Depression, which took place on a stage vastly different than our global economic and political stage now, up his ass.

Each time The Bernank juices the prices of commodities, creates artificial bubbles and malinvestment/misinvestment and distorts the normal price/demand curve (to a massive degree, I might add), he not only adds more fog to what's already a very opaque environment, which Mr. Market despises, but he destroys organic purchasing power by businesses and consumers.

The Bernank's obsession with stemming deflation at a time when real wages are stagnating or falling for the majority of the population, unemployment and underemployment are at least twice the officially proclaimed rates using more accurate measuring methodologies than the antiquated BLS implements, and at a time when we the causes of our economic malaise are structural, rather than cyclical, is one of the most dangerous and misplaced obsessions that any central banker has ever held.

A compelling argument can be made that deflation would SPUR consumption and additional demand for goods and services, even given that further deflationary expectations may take hold, as real purchasing power would sustain a significant boost (and consumer psychology would be buoyed by the fact that instead of seeing what they own or are on the hook for deflate or stagnate, while prices for necessities of daily living rise, they'd at least catch a significant break on the cost of living, which would spur more discretionary purchases, leading to labor demand and higher demand for goods and services).

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 23:18 | 1835510 rosiescenario
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.....so you are saying if people see prices of goods declining they will be incentivized to buy? They will be incentivized to sit on their hands. Of course most of what is purchased is made abroad, so maybe the Chinese would be hurt the most in that sort of environment.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 23:42 | 1835549 TruthInSunshine
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I am saying that if deflation allows consumers to purchase more of what they need to live in terms of inflexible goods/services (e.g. food, energy, medical care, etc.), it frees up more purchasing power for the purchase of broader baskets of goods and services, while giving them a psychological boost in terms of relieving the choke point of laboring under the belief that they need to white knuckle each and every penny in preparing for higher living costs tomorrow and next year (as they now fear).

Why is this the case? Because real wages are either stagnant or deflating for the majority of Americans (in fact, Americans have 'delevered' their consumption by an average annual rate of $7,300 since 2007).

Additionally, and equally as important, given that labor is cheap and getting cheaper (while commodities and capex expenditures have either risen or stayed flat - they certainly haven't declined), businesses will see a significant boost in margins via deflation in the price of what they need to purchase to produce goods and services, which will incentivize hiring and expansion (as demand for their now more affordable goods and services picks up).

The general assumption that deflation is net negative, and that it leads to the postponement of purchases is a great fallacy, as a good chunk of what is purchased right now, and what has risen the most in terms of real cost (due in large part to The Bernank's idiotic goosing of the money supply and monetary easing generally speaking) is eating up a greater amounts of disposable incomes, allowing for less purchasing power across the broader spectrum of goods and services.

The Bernank's inflationary policies are crowding out both consumers' propensity to spend, instilling a very nervouse consumer mentality, and putting tremendous pressure on providers of goods and services, while discouraging many business segments from investing in expansion or hiring.

Finally, the inflation that Bernanke has sewn has created an atmosphere, at this juncture, which is creating the very conditions which allow for his very argument that banks and the financial sector of the economy are particularly vulnerable (and they are, as their is a great deal of insolvency in the banking sector) that warrants his policies that transfer taxpayer dollars (and consumer dollars, as dollars are fungible - whether via taxes or inflation) to the banking/financial sector of the economy in the form of subsidization (QE/TARP/ZIRP).

A dollar taken from consumers/businesses via inflation or monetary policies, and transferred to financial firms and the banking sector is a dollar that can't be spent elsewhere in the economy.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 23:53 | 1835590 HoofHearted
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Yes, but in a deflationary environment, it is much harder for the Bernank to keep kicking the can down the road on a $210 trillion fiscal debt (according to the numbers of Professor Kotlikoff).

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 12:24 | 1837229 pavman
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They'll just keep playing hot potato with the other central banks.  Notice we didn't do QE3, we did the twist, but shortly there after the UK did QE.  So its just a matter of time before the potatoe comes back to our shores.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 20:01 | 1834978 JohnG
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Idiot.

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 08:14 | 1836134 Messianic
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Lol, go ahead and explain why inflation creates employment.

 

Who let the macro 101 student out of their cage...

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:59 | 1834735 Troublehoff
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I think that would be 48% over 20 years assuming inflation runs at 2%:

1.02 to the power of 20 = 1.4859474

however, as real inflation is probably running at around 7%, that would be almost 100% inflation in ten years!

1.07 to the power of 10 = 1.96715136

and therefore, prices would quadrouple over 20 year

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:53 | 1834949 hayleecomet
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good grief

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 21:20 | 1835173 peekcrackers
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Ok budy give me your keys

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 21:39 | 1835218 peekcrackers
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Ben has already  started quantitative easing ..  stimulus measure dubbed "Operation Twist

changing the composition of the government bonds . also fed funds rate will remain between 0% and 0.25%,

Got stimulus

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 21:40 | 1835221 Zero Hero
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The original poster was talking about <b>currency devaluation</b> as opposed to <b>inflation</b>.

2% currency devaluation per year => 33% currency devaluation in 20 years.

So at that rate, if you get 100kg of rice for $100, then in 20 years you will only get 67kg for $100.

 

But inflation is a better way of looking at it as it makes more sense to think of how much money you will require to buy the things you need, rather than what you will be able to buy with the money that you have (though unfortunately that may be how it pans out).

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 22:29 | 1835362 UP Forester
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Much easier to figure out using ye olde "Rule of 70" that I learned in (gasp) public high school.

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 01:16 | 1835760 skepticCarl
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Foreseter, you obviously cut that econ class and improperly copied someone's notes, incorrectly, if they refered to the "rule of 72".

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 02:58 | 1835865 jeff montanye
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deflation?

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 09:43 | 1836422 Wolf-Avatar
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Actually, skepticCarl ... I took two seconds to look it up on google.

There is a rule of 69, 70, AND 72.

Google is your friend.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:02 | 1834743 Let them eat iPads
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Instead of inflation they should use something more positive - like "appreciation".

Example: "Appreciation is running at 3.4% this month".

Ah, that's much better.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 23:21 | 1835520 rosiescenario
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Yes..."Boy am I glad I "invested" in that case of peanut butter last month....look at its appreciation"

 

This is far better than using terms like "inflation" or "devaluation" which carry such a negative emotional charge with them.

 

You should have a great future in D.C.

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 04:00 | 1835915 iamgogi
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inflation, as measured by the CPI is 0%, if you strip everything out of it. I read there is deflation now, because the CPI has only my old TV in it

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:54 | 1834699 common_sense
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Mmmm Bernanke is waiting for the comment of Greenspan saying that "Europe is the problem, in USA all financials are undercontrol"

oh yes, say it Alan, say it pleasssssssssssssssssssssseeee!!

Bernanke is with the finger ready in the button of the PRINTER !!!

 

SAY IT ALAN, SAY IT ....  MARKET NEEDS MORE DRUGS, TWIST IS NOT ENOUGH TO GO ABOVE 1300 IN SP...  WE NEED MORE "AIR" TO INFLATE STOCKS PREPARING THE GREAT IMPLOSION...THAT ALL BEARS ARE WAITING FOR !!

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:37 | 1834647 CashCowEquity
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print, print, print

you have no choice or the BEARS Win

 

lmfao

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:43 | 1834674 WestVillageIdiot
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If this little prick didn't have his Heidelberg set to "Turbo Speed" this game would already look like the Bears-Patriots Super Bowl.  Fridge Perry would be going in for his 11th touchdown right now. 

Bernanke licks the sweat off a dead man's balls (credit "Good Morning Vietnam" for that line). 

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:39 | 1834654 Racer
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The Fed care about the average American?????????????

Sorry I just fell backwards off my chair and have done myself a serious injury!

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:50 | 1834700 WestVillageIdiot
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What is the problem?  Why can't you believe that?  Of course The Fed cares about the average American.  They care how much blood they can extract from every average American there is. 

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:54 | 1834719 UP Forester
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They only care about themselves.  When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose, and there are a lot of people about to lose it.  Never corner an animal, especially when a lot of the "animals" have had military training and a lot of weapons.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:39 | 1834656 agent default
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Either default on the debt or on the currency Ben.  Your choice.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:51 | 1834704 WestVillageIdiot
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"The two greatest words in the English language, De-Fault."
-  Homer Simpson

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:15 | 1834789 homersimpson
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Excuse me, I am misquoted. I think the two greatest words are "Do-Nut." Or "Duff Beer."

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:52 | 1834943 FeetOnTheGround
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No, WestVillageIdiot was correct - it's: "de-fault!"

That's because it's present ANYWHERE there's lending."Do-Nut" and "Duff Beer" are regional.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:41 | 1834660 bsdetector
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You know more printing is coming. There is no other way for the status quo to continue in power unless the printing commences. Ben warming up the choppers and about to play the ride of the valkyries while the shorts are humming the Bruce Cockburn song- "If I had a rocket launcher." These are interesting times. I wish some of our leaders would just admit things have failed. Let the debt bubble burst so that prices and values can come down and then we can be on our way again. A little deflation is probably a good thing right now.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:24 | 1834826 Mark123
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Keep in mind that those with cash in a safe place do extremely well under deflation.  When the time is right we will get deflation because they can do this in a heartbeat by merely tightening up on credit.  They just want to make sure they are positioned right before flipping the switch.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:26 | 1834833 espirit
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When "If I had a rocket launcher" comes to mind, my first thought is who or what is on the #1 playing card.

Fight Club, bitchez.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:36 | 1834868 Alea Iactaest
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WASHINGTON | Tue Nov 1, 2011 6:54pm EDT

(Reuters) - The Federal Reserve looks set to take a breather from monetary stimulus measures on Wednesday, even if financial market turbulence heightens the chances of action later.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 23:26 | 1835532 rosiescenario
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"A little deflation is probably a good thing right now."

 

Ah, so you did not buy your pm's like everyone else here?

 

My boat is loaded with pm mining stocks and IMHO, a great deal of inflation sounds promising.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:41 | 1834661 Dingleberry
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"Inflation?...sniff.....sniff........I DON'T SMELL NO STINKING INFLATION!"

-Ben Bernanke, Chairman, Federal Reserve of the United States of America

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:46 | 1834686 Racer
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He couldn't smell an inflating rotting corpse  laden with a megaton of exploding stinkbombs stuck up his nose

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:42 | 1834664 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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On one hand you have a nation full of citizens with the right to bear arms to fight against threats to their liberty, both foreign and domestic...

... and on the other hand, you have the mass genocidal maniac, Ben Bernank announcing where he will physically be on the planet once a quarter.

Hmmmm...

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:43 | 1834672 Fate
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I stopped reading at "...is going to drive the economy into a recession."

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 18:54 | 1834718 WestVillageIdiot
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How about if we change that to, "drive the real economy deeper into the current recession plaguing middle America"?  Better?

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 22:22 | 1835339 JPM Hater001
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Sorry, but accuracy is important here.

Change that to, "Come out of the recession ditch and land squarely in the muddy field of depression on the other side."

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