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Guest Post: The Fed Wants You To Beg For QE3

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market

The Fed Wants You To Beg For QE3


The psychological effects of the Dow are undeniable. When
the average investor or even consumer sees green, life is good, even if
every other indicator in the economy clearly says otherwise. For the common Dow lemming, “green” supplants reason, mathematics, instinct, and blatant logic. If
mushroom clouds came in that particular shade of bull market green,
nuclear holocaust would be welcomed with beers, barbeque, and jubilee. Green in the Dollar Index is no different. Many
market joyriders and MSM parrots decree victory for Team Dollar without
even a remedial understanding of the implications of dollar strength
being measured against multiple faltering currencies across the globe. Just
because the Euro, for instance, is nearly as superfluous as the
greenback, this does not mean the dollar is a stable or healthy currency
by default. They are BOTH screwed. But hey, as long as that little ticker points up, all is right with the world……right?

Red is the ultimate party stopper. Red makes Americans pause and reflect. It
makes them question their economic sensibilities, their political
loyalties, their futures, perhaps even their choice of marriage partners
or favorite football team. The sight of red in the Dow brings to mind thoughts of recession, depression, collapse. At
bottom, red makes our government and the people charged with
safeguarding U.S. financial good-time-tootie-fruitiness look bad. Red?! Red?! Vote the bums out!

Given this American predisposition to ignore all
other indicators except the Dow and sometimes the DXY, you can imagine
why the private Federal Reserve in tandem with the U.S. Treasury has
focused so much of their attention on stimulus measures designed to keep
these two indexes predominantly in the green since the derivatives
crash of 2008. They have done this through direct and
indirect injections of fiat into market systems which have acted as a
buffer; multiple yet temporary patches in the hull of a scattershot ship
on the verge of being swallowed by the voracious waters of the briny
deep. The problem is, after over three years of this activity, the opiate of fiat is starting to lose its euphoric aftertaste. Like
some dirty track-marked heroin fiend, the U.S. economy is now nervously
scratching its rancid fiscal sores and screaming for more of that sweet
sweet fiat juice. The more we get, the more we need later down the road to satisfy our dependency.

Obviously, QE1 and QE2 accomplished nothing. The bailouts and TARP accomplished nothing. The ongoing U.S. bailouts of the EU at the American people’s expense continue to accomplish nothing. All
we have received for trillions upon trillions of inflationary dollars
created has been a few years of static 20% real unemployment, higher
food and energy prices, an endlessly imploding housing market, virtually
bankrupt states and municipalities, and the first ever downgrade of the
U.S. credit rating in history. Oh….and a wonderfully fake
bull run in the Dow, which I suppose, makes up for all the previously
listed annoyances, at least, until recently…

In past articles, I have often pointed out that if
the investment community EVER caught even the slightest inkling that the
Fed might end stimulus measures and let the markets stand on their own,
they would jump ship and the Dow would collapse back to levels seen in
2008 or worse. Well, with the highly inconclusive and
vaporous announcement of “Operation Twist”, a program designed to sell
short term treasuries in exchange for long term treasuries (???), the
Fed sent just such a message. One might wonder, especially
after the U.S. lost its AAA credit rating, why the Fed would bother to
hesitate to announce QE3 and keep the markets plugging away? They’ve never had any qualms about revving up the printing presses before, so why change posture now?

Answer: Sometimes there is advantage in allowing the markets to bleed red too. Here are some reasons why…

Stimulus Ignoramus: Though
most Americans now understand the basics of bailouts and quantitative
easing, including many of the risks, most still think that these
programs are somehow limited, or exclusive. In reality, there is no QE1, QE2, TARP, etc. These are not separate stimulus efforts that actually started and concluded independent of one another. They are all a part of one long fiat injection into our economy that never ended. The
insanity is that a large percentage of investors actually believe that
because Bernanke did not yet announce QE3, there is no stimulus going on
today! The Fed is ALWAYS creating fiat. Some of it is reported, most of it is not. Ask yourself this: Are interest rates still at near zero? If the answer is yes, then the fiat still flows. The Fed has allowed the public to assume that injections have ceased even though they most certainly have not.

Stimulus Impotent: Even before the S&P downgrade, the markets had begun to strain and tremble. In
any Keynesian inflationary effort on the part of government, there
comes a point at which the force of debt and the force of fiat reach a
climactic peak. From then on, even the illusion of
stability becomes impossible, and both centers of gravity tear upon one
another and spiral out of control. The Fed knew full well
this point had been reached, and so, reversed its rhetoric to give the
impression that it was stepping back. Actually, the markets will deteriorate despite any Fed intervention from now on. Stimulus
at this juncture will only serve to keep the government functional
through treasury purchases while the rest of the system collapses. This is what happened in Weimar, Argentina, and to some extent Russia after the Soviet breakdown. Cleverly,
the Federal Reserve covered its own tracks by making it appear that the
inevitable Dow disintegration was somehow caused by the lack of QE.

Deflation Cheerleaders Return: Like
mythical mucous addled hobgoblins drawn to the cries of helpless
newborns, rabid deflationists have oozed back out of the muck after a
long hibernation in response to the current Dow descent to proclaim yet
again that the dollar is “too strong”, and that even more printing is
called for. As stated, they fail to understand the nature of the Fed, and the fact that stimulus is always ongoing. Simultaneously,
they actually serve Fed interests, whether they know it or not, by
promoting even more dollar devaluation as “practical”. For
some reason, many deflationists have adopted the strange and unsupported
assumption that debt somehow “cancels out” overt currency creation. This is simply not so. Yes, fiat dollars can be used to pay off a debt, but those dollars do not suddenly disappear after they have entered the system. They stay, and circulate, and collect, like mold, or a beard of bees. Neither is pleasant to clean up. Hyperinflation
of the money supply is not only possible during unregulated stimulus of
a highly indebted system, it is a sin qua non. In America’s immediate circumstance, the likelihood of stagflation is high. This
process combines the worst elements of deflation and hyperinflation
into a single, enormous, and incredibly painful boot in the ass. Deflationary purists will feel the sting soon enough…

Dollar Primacy Nostalgia: While
much of the rest of the world is slowly but surely walking away from
the dollar and dollar denominated assets, many American investors still
cling to the old days, when sour markets meant a dash for the greenback
safe haven. Could the dollar index reach as high as 77 or 78 in the course of the next four weeks? Absolutely. Does this make the dollar a legitimate safe haven? No. The
secret of the dollar index magic trick is rooted in how it is
calculated; using comparisons to world currencies that are also in dire
straights. As multiple currencies fall WITH the dollar, they make the dollar index appear as if it remains stable, or even superior. On
top of this, we still have a very active Fed printing to prop up
treasuries, which also artificially strengthens dollar sentiment, at
least until other countries which own our debt begin to dump it

Trade War Blitzkrieg: Last
Tuesday, U.S. representatives sought trade restrictions against China
in poultry markets, which might not seem like much, but the move, in my
view, was to test the waters for even further confrontation with China. A crumbling Dow has the advantage of adding pressure to the renewed issue of economic warfare. A
trade war is the perfect trigger for a treasury and dollar dump by
China, which is on the cusp of taking such action anyway because of the
violent nature of inflation within its own borders. After
several failed attempts to soften inflation by raising bank reserve
requirements, the only option left to the Chinese now is a sharp
valuation of the Yuan to increase the buying power of the citizenry. This
kind of valuation is most easily achieved by a dumping of their vast
dollar holdings, a steep devaluation in the dollar, leading to rapid
foreign capital redirection into the Yuan. China denies they would take such action, though they have openly admitted the possibility. Don’t buy it. If price inflation continues at similar levels, the Chinese will have no other choice but to take extreme action.

Thinning The Commodities Herd: Its
funny, but every time there is a pullback in commodities like gold and
silver, the same people come out of the woodwork to announce the death
of precious metals. Metals then, of course, make an
astonishing comeback despite all odds, and these men disappear again
into their respective hovels. The reason they always get it
wrong is simple; they are incapable of looking at the big picture, and
few, if any, have memories that go past last week. Firstly, in an economy at the edge of utter disaster, commodities are invariably erratic. Expect to see 10% swings in gold and silver up or down CONSTANTLY from here on out. This is not unusual. It is normal considering the circumstances. Another
element that is unfortunately deeply ingrained is the ETF markets,
which are entirely fraudulent, and not representative of true physical
metals values. However, lets get some perspective here; during the 2008 Dow drop, silver hit lows between $11 and $13. Today, even after a severe drop, it hovers near $30. There is a big difference, and that difference is due to dollar devaluation. Weak hands will buckle. The
cheap silver and gold will be snapped up by smarter buyers (Asian
investors and central banks, most likely), metals will climb back to the
mid thirties, QE3 will be announced (eventually), and from there, the
sky is literally the limit. In the meantime, the Fed has just deprived a few more people of their sound money. Silver at $30? Gold at $1600? That’s called a buying opportunity, folks, not a last chance to sell.

Fear Makes The Heart Grow Fonder?

Resistance to Fed liquidity measures has been substantial. Three years ago, no one knew what the Federal Reserve was, or even cared. Today, most of America is at least aware of its existence and not enamored of its purpose. The
latest downturn in markets, as well as seeming Fed indecision, I
believe, not only signals the next aggressive leg down in the ongoing
collapse of the U.S. economy, but also a very deliberate strategy on the
part of our central banking elite to drive the public towards a
consensus desire for further intervention. That is to say, the Fed wants us to beg for more QE, instead of fighting against it.

There is quite a bit of practicality to this tactic. If
we demand stimulus measures out of fear just to slow the Dow
hemorrhaging, then the Fed is able to deflect most of the blame when
such measures eventually go awry. The American people
become the cause of dollar destruction, instead of the Fed, and this
blame will permeate into international opinions and world views. Make no mistake, QE3 is the end of the line, and it will be announced, or at least quietly enacted. At this time, our government is operating upon the fumes of Fed fiat, and nothing more. Without it, the lights go out. The
only tool that exists, or ever existed for the government to influence
the appearance of the economy is fiat creation through the Fed. Whether we ask for it or not, this tool will be utilized. They would just prefer that we went along with the program willingly…

We cannot forget that the Fed is a haven for open proponents of globalism. The eventual goal of central banks has always revolved around a weakening of the U.S. system for the sake of “harmonization”. This
project ends with the debasement of the dollar and the loss of its
world reserve status to a basket of currencies represented by the IMF’s
SDR. For this end to be reached, the Fed MUST continue liquidity measures like QE. We don’t need to ask for it, nor should we ask for it. They will certainly pursue QE3 regardless. The trick to winning this game is in refusing to participate, or at least, refusing to play by their rules.


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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:22 | 1714191 mikmid
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I ain't begging but know it's coming because the banks will beg.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:28 | 1714211 bentaxle
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Not even if he puts tits on it fer yuh!?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:04 | 1714213 GetZeeGold
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Wasn't that what the twist was setting up....and smashing the commodities?

"Metals then, of course, make an
astonishing comeback despite all odds, and these men disappear again
into their respective hovels."

Gold's back........and you're gonna be in trouble.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:10 | 1714319 SheepDog-One
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Beg for QE3 due to WHAT DOW red??

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:16 | 1714338 GetZeeGold
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.....and thus our point is made sheep.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:23 | 1714193 drwillia
Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:24 | 1714196 Debtless
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Fuck the Fed. And fuck those who suckle its teet for a living.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 11:51 | 1715057 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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You must contstruct additional ovens   /starcraft voice

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:25 | 1714200 turicum
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I thought QE3 is ok with most of ZH readers???

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:03 | 1714299 Freewheelin Franklin
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Well, if it helps bring a quicker end to this "Ponzi" system, it's OK by me.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 10:38 | 1714814 BigJim
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We (mostly) hate QE, because it represents the ability of our elites to magically pick our pockets from afar..

However, as we've hedged against it, when it doesn't happen, our hedges drop in purchasing power. And if those hedges are subject to expiration (options, for instance) then the loss of purchasing power is permanent.

Hence the repeated calls to make your hedges in physical, not paper.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:28 | 1714210 Mr_Wonderful
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The Gigantic October Stock Market Heist

is being set up.

There are now over 2 million October open put options against the S&P 500. Looks like this will among History´s  greatest transfers of wealth.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:47 | 1714259 GetZeeGold
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2 million.................and 1 MFer's



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:11 | 1714324 SheepDog-One
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The Bernank put...its the FED short the market.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:17 | 1714342 GetZeeGold
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Could be the BIS actually.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:31 | 1714216 jjsilver
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How about we abolish them, then arrest them and put them on trial for their crimes, which I believe will happen eventually.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:05 | 1714306 buzzsaw99
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your comment has been logged for further evaluation by the geek squad.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 11:38 | 1715024 DaveyJones
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in order to arrest them, we must first legitimize the arm which does the arresting. The bankers run this government and most others. Our founders warned us.   

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:32 | 1714217 bigwavedave
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"Obviously, QE1 and QE2 accomplished nothing. The bailouts and TARP accomplished nothing. The ongoing U.S. bailouts of the EU at the American people’s expense continue to accomplish nothing."


Crap Alert: These 'programs' gave the status quo TIME to plan how they were to protect their money and spend yours.


"Though most Americans now understand the basics of bailouts and quantitative easing, including many of the risks"


Crap Alert: I did not read past this point. And nor should you.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:13 | 1714327 SheepDog-One
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I agree, this article is pretty much nonsense. Talk about how we'll BEG for QE3 due to so much pain in the DOW, I see it up +200 in premarket....I keep asking 'wheres the drop'?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:37 | 1714409 WonderDawg
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So many contradictions in this article, wish I had time to break it down just for kicks.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:32 | 1714218 Mitch Comestein
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Please bitchez....I want some more.  (Oliver Twist...the Bankster)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:42 | 1714244 GetZeeGold
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Never before has a boy wanted more.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:32 | 1714219 Soul Train
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yes, exactly right/

this is why any equity market rally is just dust in the wind.

fact is the Fed needs a major selloff to justify it politically.

so if you are long equities, you are now warned.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:49 | 1714265 duo
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How many bear traps will they spring before they let the market free-fall?  Looks like another short squeeze this morning.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:16 | 1714335 SheepDog-One
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So when will the sell-off be? Certainly 'not today', as usual. 

I've been hearing we're getting a big market plunge before FOMC 1, then Jackson Hole, then FOMC2, never does the DOW drop more than 200 without it being immediately recovered!

Carrot and Stick, while everyone waits for this big market plunge theres the DOW +200 in pre-market...I'm not falling for this scam.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:41 | 1714424 WonderDawg
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Well, you could say the sell off started at DOW 12,800ish.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:55 | 1714463 SheepDog-One
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Yep, since DOW 12,800 or so there has been no panic at all in the public. So I dont know how this article figures the NEXT time the market drops then we'll have the required chaos and begging and pleading for QE3. In fact, the public is now totaly conditioned to expect market drops to be immediately recovered next trading session. I dont see them 'setting up fear and panic event' at all myself.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:12 | 1714534 WonderDawg
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I think the panic is coming, but hope doesn't die easily. There is still some hope in the markets, but it's fluctuating with doubt. When doubt takes over, it will fluctuate with fear, and we'll start seeing more persistent sell-offs with less enthusiastic rallies. Panic follows after all hope has been extinguished.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:39 | 1714222 SWRichmond
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I've been saying this for almost a year.

Always remember: if you adopt the most cynical viewpoint, everything makes perfect sense.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:08 | 1714314 Snidley Whipsnae
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I believe a read of 'The Prince' will go a long way toward explaining Wall St... and your comment about "adopting the most cynical viewpoint"...

"Machiavellianism is also a term that some social and personality psychologists use to describe a person's tendency to deceive and manipulate other people for their personal gain. In the 1960s, Richard Christie and Florence L. Geis developed a test for measuring a person's level of Machiavellianism. This eventually became the MACH-IV test, a twenty-statement personality survey that is now the standard self-assessment tool of Machiavellianism. People scoring above 60 out of 100 on the MACH-IV are considered high Machs; that is, they endorsed statements such as, "Never tell anyone the real reason you did something unless it is useful to do so," (No. 1) but not ones like, "Most people are basically good and kind" (No. 4). People scoring below 60 out of 100 on the MACH-IV are considered low Machs; they tend to believe, "There is no excuse for lying to someone else," (No. 7) and, "Most people who get ahead in the world lead clean, moral lives" (No. 11). Christie, Geis, and Geis's graduate assistant David Berger went on to perform a series of studies that provided experimental verification for the notion of Machiavellianism."

...above from WIKI...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:35 | 1714223 PulauHantu29
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It's obvious the Fed must print more ...deflation is very destructive and a little inflation is i read....

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:11 | 1714323 Snidley Whipsnae
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"deflation is very destructive"

Yes... destructive for some, constructive for some...but very destructive for fractional reserve banking.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:18 | 1714347 SheepDog-One
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I keep hearing about the 'big market drop' but a market drop never comes. Yes I know 'theyll make me BEG for a QE3...'Please sir, just a bit more porridge'....OK wheres the market drop? DOW futures up +200. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:40 | 1714235 Lotionboy
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I am begging for QE....Please Benny...Make It Happen :)...My gold will thank you 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:44 | 1714241 gmak
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  1. Prices move before wages. Therefore deflation is beneficial to the working class - in spite of appearances. Inflation is bad for them. The reverse is true for those who have all the wealth.
  2. I don't get the contention in the article that the fed has tried to keep DXY in the green. It seems to me that they have been trying to debase the USD in a race to the bottom (currency wars) in order to prime economic growth on the backs of others. In doing so, they punish savers and reward debtors. Bernanke: Go back to school and study the law of unintended consequences, you charlatan.
  3. QE 3, and all other quasi-printing may push up the price of gold - but not it's value. Ultimately, it will buy the same quantity of things as before. It is a fools' game to think that owning gold will generate wealth. It will only protect purchasing power over the long run. A crisis may push the value up along with the price - but in a crisis, who will sell gold to hold fiat? No one. That's why the increase in value is tentative and temporary: because it would mean a shift from gold to some other asset during a crisis.
Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:53 | 1714277 Bobbyrib
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While I did give you a green arrow, I don't agree with all of part 3. People holding gold will trade it for food, water, and shelter when they need it. Why would you perpetually hold an item, because it has value? Eventually gold bugs will spend their gold, but the key is to wait for as long as possible to spend your gold (unless it becomes a bubble).

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:18 | 1714336 gmak
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The implication of point 3 is what you are saying "..the key is to wait for as long as possibl to spend your gold...". The underlying assumption in that statement, from your point of view, appears to be that the purchasing power of gold will continue to go up. I am suggesting that it is a rainbow, that when gold is at its maximum purchasing power, fear will also be at its maximum and people will continue to hold the gold. Only when fear abates, and the purchasing power of gold declines, will they feel comfortable "selling" iit. 

I do not believe the people holding gold will be able to trade it for food, water and shelter. As many have said: "If conditions reach such that there is only gold for exchange, then you will probably need lead instead". At the present time, gold is not generally considered money. It requires an exchange for paper money which can then be re-exchanged for goods, services, or assets. For gold to become money, it would require the breakdown of the GLOBAL currency system in place, with no substitute. My opinion is that, in that case, lawlessness would rule, and lead would triumph over gold for securing food, water, and shelter.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:50 | 1714453 GetZeeGold
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It's called planning. can't eat it...good...I wasn't planning on it.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 10:22 | 1714777 Smiddywesson
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QE 3, and all other quasi-printing may push up the price of gold - but not it's value. Ultimately, it will buy the same quantity of things as before. It is a fools' game to think that owning gold will generate wealth. It will only protect purchasing power over the long run.

Academic nonsense.  Yes, over the long run, gold fluctuates in value less than any other thing because it is our measuring stick for value, but it's all still supply and demand.  The availability of gold, the number of people on the Earth who want it, the fear factor, and the availability of goods, fluctuates with time so how could gold maintain a specific value over time?  I will concede that when we widen out our frame of referrence to centuries things average out, and your statement that gold appears to not change in referrence to what it can buy becomes generally true, but it is still a generalization.   More importantly, it is irrelevant.  I don't care about the cost of eggs during biblical times.  When we shorten the frame of referrence to time periods that are relevant to human beings, such as years, or even decades, gold fluctuates in value a great deal, and all of that fluctuation is not due to currency debasement.  The argument that gold doesn't fluctuate in value, that everything else fluctuates in value is a poor argument against gold speculation because gold is measured in what it can buy.  Except to an academic, it's irrelevant which side of the trade is moving in value and which is stationary, you win or lose value based upon which side of the trade you are positioned.       

So in the classroom, yes, gold maintains it value and is unsuitable to generate wealth, but in the real world, it's all about timing, just like everything else.  A blanket statement that gold doesn't generate wealth is irrelevant.  Without something else, like proper timing, gold doesn't generate wealth, but we could say that about everything, right?  Taleb warns about this when he discusses taking an academic argument  into the real world of Extremistan. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:42 | 1714243 GCT
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Roflmao go ask a person what QE is and they will look at you and shrug.  My take is they are planning to scare the hell out of the sheeple and come riding in on their horse with more QE to save them and the sheeple will bow and praise them.  All apart of the psy-ops from the bankers and MSM.  They are just waiting for everyone to get their quarterly 401k print out with all those losses.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:58 | 1714249 anynonmous
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ON bloomberg radio - El Erian as bullish (realitve to his nomral caution) as I have ever heard him


(and appears to be openly shilling for Obama with statements like "the polliticians are starting to get it" ; Obama in his speech made a good start in setting a vision for America" )


Watch for El Erian to land in Washington


(now that the Bloomberg paywall has been removed this interview will be posted later today)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:47 | 1714255 Mr_Wonderful
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The market is being primed for a big October sell-off, there´s no doubt about it.

Maybe it´ll be Friday the 7th (flashback to 10/7/2008?) but that would probably be too obvious. In any case something very big is very likely to happen in the first two weeks of October prompting a market crash. Could be a major terrorist attack in the U.S. or Europe. We shall see.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:56 | 1714283 Abitdodgie
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My guess is October 16th or November 9th

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:46 | 1714257 GeneMarchbanks
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This is gettin' kinky...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:48 | 1714264 GetZeeGold
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Kinky is good..........


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:51 | 1714266 I am a Man I am...
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the fed is worried they are going to get stuck with the bill

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:53 | 1714274 GetZeeGold
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How many zeros do you want appended?


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:21 | 1714358 SheepDog-One
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Its not 2009 anymore, as Ive been saying for months on here against headwinds I do not believe QE3 is coming at all, there will be no sizeable market drop to 'panic everyone' because theyve 'cried wolf' already too many times and people are immune to it all since markets have been rescued WITHOUT QE3 so many times. 

We've soon the DOW drop -400, only to be recovered within 2 trading sessions. No QE3 ever, sorry.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:54 | 1714268 doomz78
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must be annoying to central bankers how gold and silver are just not dying.  Gold 1670 as i write this.. silver is above 33 again.  I say bring QE3 on.  let's shower each other with cheap money.  0% interest rates...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.  To all my banker friends and the Dow Jones I shower you with  red Monopoly bucks................ And I wonder where this super european protective tarp will come from?  oh Ben?? Ben.  Where are you our saviour?  Ben?  I can't see you. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:52 | 1714273 MFL8240
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I will beg if geithner and Bernanke are gone, only then.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:54 | 1714278 razorthin
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There isn't a person on earth with an equity account of some sort that doesn't at least have the option to transfer all funds to cash or money market (PMs all the better if you can).  The entire world should do that in unison.  The ensuing crash will cure all the ills of the world, the people none the poorer.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:05 | 1714307 snowball777
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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:55 | 1714281 lunar
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I think this whole financial cabaret is shameful!


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:00 | 1714289 GetZeeGold
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Ok.....but you're not getting your money back.

Once you buy the's a done deal.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:01 | 1714290 GetZeeGold
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Nuts........double post.




Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:02 | 1714296 msmith
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AUDUSD has rallied higher with equities but should find resistance soon and return to the bearish trend down.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:03 | 1714298 dcb
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yes this is one of the great coups of the financial world. to get the little plebs involved is the stock market so they can be trained to think along the lines of those with millions.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:04 | 1714300 Smithovsky
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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:20 | 1714355 GetZeeGold
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Smithovsky is so cool.......he doesn't have to say a damn thing.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:51 | 1714398 Smithovsky
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or doesn't know how to delete posts he didn't mean to post

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:04 | 1714304 sabra1
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Have you ever before heard of the Haqqanis? I didn’t think so. Like Al Qaeda, about which no one had ever heard prior to 9/11, the “Haqqani Network” has popped up in time of need to justify America’s next war–Pakistan.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:06 | 1714310 Freewheelin Franklin
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Way down low where the streets are littered
I find my fun with the freaks and the niggers
I dont want much man give me a little
Or Im gonna take my chances if i get 'em

I love them whores they never judge you
What can you say when your a whore?
They cast that pearl and it don't upset 'em
They take their chances if they get 'em

Hear me go off!
Give me some more!
Mother fucker!
Need a little more
Goddamn you!
Give me some more!
Mother fucker!
Give me some more!

You give me breadcrumb uh - hu
I'm tired of living the bosses' dream
They'll squeeze you dry man if you let em
Better take your - take your - take your chances if you get em

Hear me go off!
Give me some more!
Mother fucker!
Need a little more
Goddamn you!
Give me some more!
Mother fucker!
Give me some more

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:07 | 1714313 Jim in MN
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The Fed is a threat to freedom and carbon-based life.  Plus they're idiots.


--Key Blogger 'Spartacus'

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:08 | 1714315 buzzsaw99
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The world farts in the bernank's general direction.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:09 | 1714316 Jim in MN
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'ever since that little blue dress it's been down the rabbit hole'


--A Smart Cookie



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:09 | 1714318 apberusdisvet
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Possible scenarios:

Planned market crash before the holidays; nothing like mental depression to make the sheeple more compliant.

  home equity:  already destroyed

  IRA and 40l(k) accounts:  next in line

  Bank holiday Christmas week; ATMs frozen

Another false flag attack

Nationalization of all gun and ammo dealers by Executive Order.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:27 | 1714379 SheepDog-One
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Couldnt be any more compliant than the public already is now. Any market plunge is immediately regained. People do not panic at all on market down days. 'All is well, economy fixed'.

Only a month or so ago we have DOW drops of -400 points...only to be immediately recovered anyway. No ones scared, no one cares. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:16 | 1714337 twotraps
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hate to sound panicky...but that could happen.  Perhaps a move to the center of the last large trading range of the S&P 500, a devastatingly quiet range trade and development....only the next time down does not snap back.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:25 | 1714370 Mr_Wonderful
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S&P will have to go to 1230-1250 to re-establish the top of the ascending trade range it began forming after the July to early August drop. This channel has been descending in September and the computers are getting quite manic.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:18 | 1714343 msmith
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EURUSD price action is pressing up against the upper trend channel.  More downside ahead

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:24 | 1714368 SheepDog-One
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There will not be a QE3, just a total market wipeout. They will next upon the 'unforeseen disaster' or whatever simply close the markets and seize all funds. 

But its a good trick, things like this article...conditions people to believe when there is some coming disaster and market plunge that it will all be made OK!

Nothing could be further from reality.

DOW futures +200, enjoy the non-market plunge.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:30 | 1714386 Snidley Whipsnae
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"They will next upon the 'unforeseen disaster' or whatever simply close the markets and seize all funds."

I don't see the logic in such an action. When the Fed can cause whip saw action in all markets and give inside info to their pals, who are front running markets, why would they want to close the markets? Leaving the markets open and whipsawing the sheeple, a dwindling lot, will garner the last dollar from those trying to swim with the big boys.

As an example, look at the number of leveraged long PMs that were just carried out on stretchers. Same in all mkts.

Just my take on how they will play this...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:36 | 1714394 SheepDog-One
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Logic? That went out the window long ago. How is there any logic in the DOW futures +200 in this bankrupt nation with numbers like we saw yesterday? New lows across all data, since then DOW +400 in 24 hours. Any market drop is ALREADY immediately recovered, so no way will the sheeple now ever 'beg for QE3' again. The only ones begging for QE3 are this article and the banks. So such an elaborate scheme is therefore dont need to make the sheeple beg for the slaughterhouse you just load them onto the truck.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:45 | 1714437 SwingForce
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You must ask the question, Where else can The Fed create money out of thin air? (And help the banks).

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:48 | 1714450 SheepDog-One
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Who says thats the perpetual plan? I dont believe it is. The banks are also going down for 1 world government. Thats whats next.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:49 | 1714454 Snidley Whipsnae
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"So such an elaborate scheme is therefore dont need to make the sheeple beg for the slaughterhouse you just load them onto the truck."

Such an elaborate scheme is not pointless. It is far better to have the sheeple believe that they lost their benny bucks in an endeavor to enrich themselves than to believe that they were screwed by the Fed... when they were, in reality, screwed by the Fed.

After all, the Fed doesn't want any more blowback and whining from the sheeple than necessary. The Fed has been playing 'screw the sheeple' a long time. I don't see them changing their MO.

The Fed will not take UNNECESSARY steps to cause civil unrest. 'Loading sheeple on trucks' when it isn't necessary is not their style. But, if it becomes necessary, they will not hesitate.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:59 | 1714486 SheepDog-One
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No this hasnt been the game for a long time except just the last 2 years. While everyone now expects a big FED bailout yet again, the next step is actually just to stop the music. That will be a fun day, no one able to access their funds, no food, news that the sheeple go to their Walmart/FEMA center for a spot on the bus to shelter. LOL, thats whats next. And much to the surprise of most all bankers, theyre going down too.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:26 | 1714377 jm
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This is one of the dumbest posts ever.

It assumes that people are stupid:  a greeen market makes them all good, and a red market makes them crap their pants.  Never in a million years would they look at the price at the gas pump and breatthe a sigh of relief.  Do you live under a rock?

Seems that alt-market is begging for QE3 more than anyone else.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:33 | 1714382 SheepDog-One
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EXACTLY jm! It assumes people are dumb idiots who if they see gas .10 cents lower, theyre euphoric? Green market=sheeple petting pink market=sheeple shitting themselves'


Meanwhile the FED is masterminding this elaborate scheme on the dummies to REALLY get em this time, sneaking up on the bunny hutch in their Ghillie suit and sniper rifle from 500 yards theyll catch the bunnies unawares with the 'next big market drop' (lol yea right) and pick those bunnies off never suspecting nothin'....this is crap- DOW futures +200.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:38 | 1714413 Mr_Wonderful
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It´s a strategic trap.

Market activity resembles warfare.

You trap the maximum number of the opposition in the most hopeless position and then destroy them.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:47 | 1714429 SheepDog-One
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Its a good theory, but I dont see anyone suspecting a thing already. Why the 'elaborate plots'? Everyone knows you dont need to fool bunnies in a hutch to make rabbit stew, they dont suspect jack shit already. And comfortable that if there IS trouble ahead, then they will certainly be saved.  Who is left to fool anyway? The 401K bathrobe brigades? They could just seize all those trillions this morning and be done with it so whats the point.

Nah, too many people expecting 'something big' coming to herd everyone here and there, and salvation as the result...I say next thing theyll just stop the music, close the markets down one morning, no one able to get their funds no QE no nothin, it will just be over.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:48 | 1714449 Mr_Wonderful
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There are presently over 2 million October put option contracts against the S&P 500. This is 10,000% of the usual number.

The sellers of those contracts are mutual funds with holdings indexed to the S&P. The buyers are banks, insurance companies, hedge funds to the most part. Do you think the latter intend to take a loss on this gigantic volume?


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:01 | 1714488 SheepDog-One
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Thats all the FED itself I believe. No way do I think funds are all-in short. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:06 | 1714512 Mr_Wonderful
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In any case, the number of put contracts is 100X the usual number.

I would have to conclude that this predicts a major crash in the first two weeks of October with a great degree of certainty. There really is no way around it.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:02 | 1714494 Snidley Whipsnae
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SDOne... If the Fed closed the mkts who would be hurt?

A kazillion salesmen pushing stocks to a kazillion sheeple. IOWs, another FIRE sector group would be out of work... The last thing the Fed wants is another FIRE sector group to be hurt.

In addition, a market closure would be absolute proof that nothing the Fed/Treasury have done so far has worked... Of course, nothing they have done has worked but the last thing they will do is admit it.

They will not close the mkts unless they lose control of their ongoing manipulative efforts.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:09 | 1714518 SheepDog-One
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They dont care, unless you have 4750 billion youre a peasant in the eyes of the global elite.

Theyre not going to 'lose control' of anything, the 'elaborate plan' is simply that no one suspects at all what comes next. And it wont be perpetual 'rescue packages' certainly. Theyre going to stop the music, and bring it all back up under 1 world govt, 1 currency...the ball is already rolling in Europe and I think as soon as their 'union is set up there then its our turn for the total collapse. Not 'market down and ensuing rescue' but all the way down and you apply for a spot in a FEMA work camp. Austerity to the max.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:43 | 1714425 SwingForce
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QE3 came and went, folks, pre-Sept. 21, haven't you noticed tghe yield on the 10 yr t-note? A smashing success! And this is also why there was no Cashin Crash Monday, or today. BUY STOCKS! QE4, baby!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:46 | 1714441 SheepDog-One
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Always the carrot and stick out there of 'more QE soon' while the markets rise wildly...there is no 'QE package' needed now at all, and while everyone is conditioned to believe that IF trouble should arise, well theyll certainly be saved.

Not next time they wont be saved.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:01 | 1714490 Robslob
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Thinking of exchanging my 1 oz Gold Eagles for 1/10 oz Gold Eagles?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:05 | 1714505 SheepDog-One
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Yea and I think theyll go even further than that and at some point make private ownership or trading illegal. Everything is soon to be illegal, guns, gold, food....DHS already says youre to be watched if you 'stockpile food' and theyre recording 'stockpiling' of ammo as well gun dealers have to turn over that information to the gubment.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:05 | 1714507 Snidley Whipsnae
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"Thinking of exchanging my 1 oz Gold Eagles for 1/10 oz Gold Eagles?"

You can certainly do this but be prepared to pay a premium plus taxation as income on any gains you may have made.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 10:52 | 1714863 EZYJET PILOT
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Sheepdog, I always like listening to your views but I think that on this occasion it doesn't seem to me that altmarket have a hidden agenda. It's like he says the fed supplies cheap money all the time they just don't tel us that's why the Dow is +200 again, the bastards are playing games with us. It seems that QE is only what the media is telling us in terms of printing, but behind closed doors there is tonnes more, the 16 trillion from the GAO audit plus the 1.2 trillion from the other week. This is the real unadulterated QE. They just use headline QE as opiate for the sheeple. I don't think they'll let it collapse just yet, I think they will allow a major fall in October and announce more QE next spring, they don't have the countries where they want them yet to allow a major fall, the evil satanists havn't invaded Syria or Iran yet, plus I reckon we'll see the London 2012 Olympics before the last major fall happens, they'll use the Olympics as some occult f@cked up ceremony, prince William will feature heavily. Anyway thats my two sense, economics was never a science, it was manipulated from day 1, you cannot talk about finance these days without getting inside the minds of the evil scum that one day hope to destroy us. One world government, we'll see about that!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:25 | 1714581's picture

.I see in the Health Care Bill an attempt to make all small businesses record any transaction over $600.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:55 | 1716257 bid the soldier...
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That means were basking in QE4. I can dig it. Pass the suntan lotion, please.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:04 | 1714502 JP McManus
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As soon as I finish getting balls deep in gold, I'll beg for it.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:07 | 1714514 The Deleuzian
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Wow SheepDog!!  What's next?  The SuperFlu?  Then you woulden't need the FEMA camps or the sheeple anymore...Just the robots to burn the dead bodies!!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:11 | 1714529 SheepDog-One
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Maybe the HFT computers are already building T-1 terminators during evening and weekend down time? :D

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:20 | 1714563 The Deleuzian
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Well, I can neither confirm/deny this...However I agree that we're not yet ripe for a QE III...But I woulden't be surprised at anything anymore...Seems the 'impossible' and 'unthinkable' has already happened...Who would have thunk that the Fed would openly purchase US Treasuries in the first place!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:08 | 1714517 Downtoolong
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Beg for QE3?

Looks to me like the kid in the pic is begging for his share of QE 1 & 2.

Sorry kid, how about a few shares of BAC instead? Or maybe some great trading advice from Goldman Sachs?


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:34 | 1714592's picture

Looks like Freddie Bartholomew but it's John Howard Davies.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:11 | 1714528 Robslob
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BANKING HOLIDAY OCTOBER 12, 2011 is COLUMBUS DAY! (Irony at it's best!)

Columbus Day...anybody find it odd that day is the start date of the liquidity operations for dollar infusions to Europe announced by The Federal Reserve, Bank of England, Swiss National Bank and ECB?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:13 | 1714540 SheepDog-One
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Yea it is certainly cause for suspicion.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:13 | 1714538 ArkansasAngie
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Nope ... I'm not going to beg for QE++++.  I will beg for no more however.

This ponzi scheme has to be stopped and the only way to do that is to stop throwing money at it.

Peons are already hoarding their cash. 

The liberals and main stream Republicans don't understand that the maintenance of this ponzi scheme is the real evil in the world.

Stop the ponzi scheme and you stop the redistribution of wealth to the elites

Stop the Ponzi scheme and jobs will appear

Stop the ponzi scheme and the abuse of savers will stop

Stop the ponzi scheme and the financial industry's buying of Congress will stop


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:14 | 1714543 SheepDog-One
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Looks like the ones really begging for QE3 is Alt-Market.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:17 | 1714554 ArkansasAngie
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The only ones begging for QE++++ are those that ain't got no money.  They are insolvent and they have set their sights on your money.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:39 | 1714628 Stuck on Zero
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That little kid in the picture will be really sad when the banker reaches into his pocket, pulls out a huge wad of bills and hands it over to a politician.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 10:41 | 1714826 animalspirit
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sin qua non ... Had to look that one up.  [Incidentally, looks to be a typo.  Should be: sine qua non]

indispensable and essential action

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 14:41 | 1715719 Gold Man-Sacks
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Am I missing something, or did the Dow not rally in a major way for the last two days?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:47 | 1716225 bid the soldier...
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"Obviously, QE1 and QE2 accomplished nothing. The bailouts and TARP accomplished nothing. The ongoing U.S. bailouts of the EU at the American people’s expense continue to accomplish nothing."

I always hate to see a grown man make a fool of himself in public, especially before the discerning bunch at ZH.

Apparently Brandon Smith has had a Jimmy Stewaryt/George Bailey moment and knows what the world would look like without TARP & QE 1&2.
Congratulations Mr Smith. I aways thought that clairvoyance was reserved for the denizens of Mt Olympus or the cave of the Gorgons.

Did Clarence the angel point you the way? Does an angel get his wings every time you book a profit? Or is it still ding, ding, ding?

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