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Guest Post: Federal Reserve Policy Mixed With Extreme Weather Has Put The World On A Fast Track To Revolution And War

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From David DeGraw of AmpedStatus

Federal Reserve Policy Mixed With Extreme Weather Has Put The World On A Fast Track To Revolution And War.

There are many factors that clearly demonstrate why it would be disastrous for the Federal Reserve to repeat their vicious Quantitative Easing (QE) policy. If you want to know a significant reason why they cannot get away with another round of QE, here is an equation for you:

(Quantitative Easing + Extreme Weather = Revolution + World War III)

From the very beginning we knew that the Federal Reserve’s QE program was going to cause the cost of food to rise and the dollar to decline in value, and that these intended results would lead to an increase in poverty and civil unrest. Now there is a new study that gives us some more proof of this obvious fact:

Are food prices approaching a violent tipping point?

A provocative new study suggests the timing of the Arab uprisings is linked to global food price spikes, and that prices will soon permanently be above the level which sparks conflicts….

 

… there is a specific food price level above which riots and unrest become far more likely. That figure is 210 on the UN FAO’s price index: the index is currently at 234, due to the most recent spike in prices which started in the middle of 2010 [coinciding with QE2].

 

Lastly, the researchers argue that current underlying food price trends – excluding the spikes – mean the index will be permanently over the 210 threshold within a year or two. The paper concludes: “The current [food price] problem transcends the specific national political crises to represent a global concern about vulnerable populations and social order.” Big trouble, in other words….

 

The next part of the study identifies that the serious unrest in North Africa and the Middle East also correlates very closely with [the QE2] food price spike. Bar-Yam also notes: “Several of the initial riots in North Africa were identified in news stories as food riots.” From there, the researchers make their prediction of permanently passing the 210 threshold in 12-24 months. [read full report]

In other words, if the Fed engages in another round of QE, the global unrest that they have already ignited will go hyperbolic.

Before getting into the details on how the Fed deliberately made these food prices spike, let’s look at another new study, which also helps demonstrate the obvious, extreme weather is linked to war:

Climate cycles linked to civil war, analysis shows

Changes in the global climate that cut food production triggered one-fifth of civil conflicts between 1950 and 2004

Cyclical climatic changes double the risk of civil wars, with analysis showing that 50 of 250 conflicts between 1950 and 2004 were triggered by the El Niño cycle, according to scientists.

 

Researchers connected the climate phenomenon known as El Niño, which brings hot and dry conditions to tropical nations and cuts food production, to outbreaks of violence in countries from southern Sudan to Indonesia and Peru.

 

Solomon Hsiang, who led the research at Columbia University, New York, said: “We can speculate that a long-ago Egyptian dynasty was overthrown during a drought. This study shows a systematic pattern of global climate affecting conflict right now. We are still dependent on climate to a very large extent.”…

 

Mark Cane, a member of the team, said global warming would have greater climatic impacts than El Niño, making it “hard to imagine” it would not provoke conflicts. [read full report]

Put all these factors together and you have, “The Road Through 2012: Revolution [and/or] World War III.”

In summation, Ben Bernanke and the Fed’s economic central planners were clearly aware of the hostile climate and weather patterns when they engaged in QE2. The Fed’s infamous policy, as I said before, “deliberately threw gasoline all over those brush fires. QE2 was another economic napalm bomb from the global banking cartel.” They knew that they were deliberately attacking (sacrificing) tens of millions of people, but that was secondary to keeping their global Ponzi scheme going by pumping another $2.1 trillion into their fraudulent, insolvent banking system through both QE programs. This is why Ben Bernanke is guilty of crimes against humanity.

Now, let’s revisit what I’ve been reporting on for the past year:

I: Centrally Planned Economic Repression

The IMF has a well-worn strategy that they use to conquer national economies. As I warned four months ago, we have now progressed into Step 3.5: World Wide IMF Riots. Back in October, in a TV interview with Max Keiser, we discussed leaked World Bank documents that revealed the IMF’s strategy. I stated the following:

“They have a four-step strategy for destroying national economies…. We are about to enter what they would call Step Three. Step Three is when you’ve looted the economy and now food and basic necessities all of a sudden become more expensive, harder to get to. And then, Step 3.5 is when you get the riots. We are fastly approaching that….

We are headed to, as the IMF said, and as they plan, Step 3.5: IMF Riots. That’s what’s coming…”

Fast-forward four months to today, and now we see country after country rebelling against high food prices. Since our October interview, food prices have spiked 15%. According to new World Bank data, since June 2010, “Rising food have pushed about 44 million people into poverty in developing countries.”

 

As Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke announced another round of Quantitative Easing (QE2), those of us paying attention knew that the trigger had been pulled and Step Three had been executed. It was a declaration of economic war, an economic death sentence for tens of millions of people – deliberately devaluing the dollar and sparking inflation in commodities/basic necessities. It was a vicious policy that would impact people from Boston to Cairo.

 

When QE2 was announced, I warned: “Food and Gas Prices Will Skyrocket, The Federal Reserve Just Dropped An Economic Nuclear Bomb On Us.” I also wrote: “The Federal Reserve is deliberately devaluing the dollar to enrich a small group of a global bankers, which will cause significant harm to the people of the United States and severe ramifications throughout the world…. The Federal Reserve’s actions are already causing the price of food and gas to increase and will cause hyperinflation on most basic necessities.”

 

To be clear, there are several significant factors contributing to rising food prices, such as extreme weather conditions, biofuel production and Wall Street speculation; but the Federal Reserve’s policies deliberately threw gasoline all over those brush fires. QE2 was another economic napalm bomb from the global banking cartel.

In a recent McClathy news article entitled, “Egypt’s unrest may have roots in food prices, US Fed policy,” Kevin Hall reports:

“‘The truth of the matter is that when the Federal Reserve moved on the quantitative easing, it did export inflation to a lot of these emerging markets…. There’s no doubt that one of the side effects of the weak dollar and quantitative easing has been rising commodity prices. It helped create this bullish environment for commodities. This is a very delicate balancing act.’

It’s a view shared by Ed Yardeni, a veteran financial market analyst, who reached a similar conclusion in a research note to investors…. He joked that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke should be added to a list of revolutionaries, since his quantitative easing policy, unveiled last year in Wyoming, has provoked unrest and change in the developing world.

‘Since he first indicated his support for such a revolutionary monetary change… the prices of corn, soybeans and wheat have risen 53 percent, 37 percent and 24.4 percent through Friday’s close,’ Yardeni noted. ‘The price of crude oil rose 19.8 percent over this period from $75.17 to $90.09 this (Monday) morning. Soaring food and fuel prices are compounding anger attributable to widespread unemployment in the countries currently experiencing riots.’”

The people throughout the Middle East and Northern Africa, on the fringe of the Neo-Liberal economic empire and most vulnerable to the Fed’s inflationary policies, are the first to rebel. [read full report]

The conclusion that we reach, the unfortunate reality of our current crisis: the Federal Reserve and global economic central planners have declared war on us. We are under attack.

We must remove Ben Bernanke from power and hold him and the rest of the global banking cartel accountable. We must also break up the “too big to fail” banks. This a message I, along with many others who have analyzed our economic situation, have been repeating over and over for the past three years.

Hopefully, a critical mass of people will soon understand this reality and back it up with non-violent civil disobedience before riots and violence rip our society apart. For these reasons, let’s all go to Wall Street on September 17th and show these tyrants that we’ve had enough.

 

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Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:43 | 1602669 SMG
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I would hope just revolution vs the Oligarchy, not WWIII.  The Oligarchy feeds on the death of the innocent, and we've had more than enough of that.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:54 | 1602692 i-dog
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The Luciferian Oligarchy is pushing hard for WWIII. The population is asleep (and will eventually only wake up when they are very hungry). Put those two factors together and work out your own odds of WWIII vs. Revolution!!!

The first step to a revolution is for the states of the US and Europe to secede from their globalist Unions. Without secession, the globalists hold all the cards.

Every semi-conscious US citizen should be pushing for their State Governors and State Legislatures to secede from the unconstitutional government in Washington, DC. That is how you can starve the globalists before they starve you.

Secede or die!! That is the choice.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:09 | 1602759 nope-1004
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234 is coming quick.  Riots will be worldwide.  But, the idiot sucking all the large players off said this about inflation:

"Concerns and fears over inflation are largely overstated.  The increase in food prices in developed nations can be largely attributed to growing populations and a desire for more sophisticated foods."    - Benocide

There you have it.  The idiot himself outright lies at the podium telling everyone that starving people are too picky to fill their bellies.

For shame, Ben.  You need to go to therapy.  You are lying to the world and money is your God.  Shame on you as you engage in monetary warfare that starve individual citizens on this earth, you fool.

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:13 | 1602779 JW n FL
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But.. But! BUT!! Infini-Timmy LOVES! Ben-O-Cide!!

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:07 | 1602918 bankruptcylawyer
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godamn the bad weather,...it must be the jews!

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 03:06 | 1603128 spiral_eyes
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The underlying geopolitical texture is ugly. If the US hegemony is suddenly ended by some black swan, there would be a massive void. And voids are quickly filled with ugliness. Better to reduce the US's hegemony slowly while we still have the chance... that's why I'm supporting ron paul.

http://azizonomics.com/2011/08/25/team-america-world-police/

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 04:45 | 1603185 russki standart
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Between Benny and the Banksters, and punishment by the green aliens for producing too much CO2, the future looks so dark that we will need 4th generation night binoculars to see ahead.

Enjoyed the article.....now time to cut my wrists (with Flakys assistance).

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 08:12 | 1603365 FEDbuster
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Paul Krugman longs for the good old days when a World War could cover over the stench of failed Keynesian policies.  They will try to find a boogeyman to get the ball rolling (my bet is on Iran, since we are already there).  China and Russia have Muslim problems, too (although they both don't seem to mind trading with Iran).  So the fight will be continued in the sand box.  The Arab spring will set the stage for an all out battle royal to focus Americans and take their minds off of our economic collapse.  You will need to make sacrifices for the war effort, etc, etc...  Orwell's "1984" is their playbook, not a work of fiction. 

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:33 | 1603237 stashncash
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Hey Spirit of Truth.  Religion is bullshit.  Repeat as necessary.  

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 13:46 | 1604847 escargot
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So many 'junks' for saying 'religion is bullshit'?  Religion IS bullshit.  It's shocking to think that so many adult human beings--people who are otherwiwse intelligent enough to see through government lies and propaganda--will cling to their little religious fairy tales like a child clinging to a blanky.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:24 | 1602816 Prometheus418
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That fucker deserves a bullet.

I prepare all of my food from scratch, and white flour went up over 100% this year.  Doesn't get more basic than that.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:43 | 1602864 Sabibaby
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Stocking up, now we need a list of people and their location to throw the bullets at.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:45 | 1602871 Sabibaby
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Actually can we build a "Most Wanted" list with the terrorists and locations they frequent?

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:02 | 1602907 living on the edge
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You mean like a deck of cards with pictures of their faces on it? How clever and creative people can be when they put their minds to it.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 02:45 | 1603119 Sudden Debt
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We could also promise that those who kill one will go to heaven and get 7 grapes...

 

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 04:36 | 1603179 Carmagnole
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and 72 neckbeards geeks virgins

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 05:37 | 1603211 DefiantSurf
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Can we have the print master be the ACE of spades? Or would a Rothschild be more appropriate?

 

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 01:22 | 1606805 WarPig
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We need a whole database of that info.  Names, addresses, known associates, GPS coordinates for vacation homes, yacht docking slips, etc.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 04:00 | 1603164 Bloodstock
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Interesting. Will "Wanted" posters become all the rage again? Where will they live? Will they always be looking over their shoulders? Will they ever get any rest? Many famous faces should be known by all.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 01:21 | 1606803 WarPig
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I made a WANTED DEAD OF ALIVE poster for The Bernank yesterday.  Had some ski bums in Jackson Hole hang a few hundred of them.  Check it out... http://www.oilfreefun.com/2011/08/criminal-mastermind-bennie-bigfoot.html

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:04 | 1602913 DaveyJones
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Same reaction. Never knew he said that. Marie A. Has a litte Ahole brother

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:09 | 1602921 DaveyJones
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Jesus nope that quote should really be our battle cry. What an inhuman parasite

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 04:48 | 1603189 Carmagnole
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"let them eat cake"

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 07:04 | 1603268 Red Herring
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In 2011, the quote needs to be updated to

"Let them suck it up and eat peas"

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 08:31 | 1607038 malikai
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"Let them eat ZIRP!"

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:04 | 1603006 Taku
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It's, y'know, transitory...

Nothing to concern about...
(about a billion people globally suffering from food inflation, lack of/access to clean water, etc)

Yet Bernokio 'made a killing in the market' (Anyone have the full link? It's getting harder to find).

Oh, it's only been going a FEW YEARS now.

Transitory.

Don't worry, they can eat later. 

Let them have green shoots.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:48 | 1603075 trav7777
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dumbass, he said in DEVELOPED nations.  There is nobody yet starving in developed nations. 

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 03:39 | 1603131 Taku
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bernanke, is that you??

hey asshole, live on in your bubble.

still sucking on your mama's tit or is your keynesian daddy's helicopter trust fund running low?

right, no one starving in the US or UK?

or do you mean yet?

I don't give a fuck if he only says developed.

I say the fucking planet.

people are people, fuckhead

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 05:46 | 1603215 jumblies
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Thanks to food stamps and soup kitchens

 

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:38 | 1603241 Max Hunter
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Exactly Jumblies.. Travis hasn't seen some of the Food Security numbers that have been published.. Kinda scary.. and indeed.. the preceding stage before people do start starving..

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 10:44 | 1604134 DaveyJones
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over 30% of alabama is on food stamps

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:58 | 1603265 Freewheelin Franklin
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How many people are on food stamps?

 

Nah, not starving....just sucking on the government's teet.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 10:42 | 1604104 DaveyJones
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no just really really hungry

can't believe you said that. Wait, strike that.

and that makes it better because...at least we're exporting our inflation?

the developing nation has darker skin? 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:15 | 1602788 JW n FL
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Voting with Bullets.. En-Vogie in 2013..

So says the MASSES! as Austerity / Social Security Cutts are enacted..

God Bless Wall Street and ALL of the Gods Work that they do!

The Job Creators will save us ALL!

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:17 | 1602794 Mongrel
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Secede, indeed. See www.dixienet.org

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:48 | 1603251 WarriorClass
Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:39 | 1602855 Gotterdammerung
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....."The Luciferian Oligarchy",.... that has a nice ring to it.  The History channel will probably be referencing it 50 years from now.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:41 | 1602861 Gotterdammerung
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....."The Luciferian Oligarchy",.... that has a nice ring to it.  The History channel will probably be referencing it 50 years from now.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:15 | 1602937 Hapte
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If there is a "History Channel" in 50 years, the war is over, and you lost.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:26 | 1603037 Rodent Freikorps
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This ain't one body's story.
It's the story of us all.

                  
We got it mouth-to-mouth.
You got to listen it and 'member.

                  
'Cause what you hears today
you got to tell the birthed tomorrow.

                  
I'm looking behind us now. . .

                  
. . .across the count of time. . .

 
                  
. . .down the long haul,
into history back.

 
                  
I sees the end what were the start.

 
                  
It's Pox-Eclipse, full of pain!

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:22 | 1603230 2bigtoofail
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Wow pulled that one out of hallowed antiquity. Nicely done.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 04:49 | 1603191 LibertyIn2010
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If there is a "History Channel" in 50 years, the war is over, and you lost.

In 50 years the History Channel will have all of the same shows that are currently on MTV.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:11 | 1603016 Escapeclaws
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A good case for secession can be made with the odious debt that the American taxpayer has been forced to take on. Secession would put an end to the taxpayer's obligation to pay these illegitimate debts. Determining the part of the debt that is odious would of course require an audit of the US national debt. Those parts of the the debt that are due to TBTF bailouts, crony capitalism, wars that were fought and paid for but never declared, etc, all Fed and congressional actions for which there is a colorable claim that their primary purpose was to enrich private interests, etc.

Secession would break up the food cartels and allow a much healthier form of localized food production based on sound organic farming that enriches the soil rather than depletes it. It is the ideal solution to living in a world of diminished fossil fuels and the need to go to war to control the worlds oil supply and force other countries to their knees.

The way things are going, the elite are going to obtain their objective of massive depopulation. Secession would stop them in their tracks.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 02:56 | 1603124 Doyle Hargraves
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+1861

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:56 | 1603263 tarsubil
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It would be civil war and a lot of destruction and broken windows from Krugman types. The oligarchs will win that war and we'll be right back to where we are at. Secession is not the answer.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:28 | 1603042 TzaristBondHolder
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H A A R P

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 07:25 | 1603284 Flakmeister
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C R A A P

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:54 | 1603261 tarsubil
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Two easy steps to breaking the oligarchy: bring the troops home and end the Fed income tax. No need for seceding.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:27 | 1602822 RagnarD
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Changes in the global climate that cut food production triggered one-fifth of civil conflicts between 1950 and 2004


Cyclical climatic changes double the risk of civil wars, with analysis showing that 50 of 250 conflicts between 1950 and 2004 were triggered by the El Niño cycle, according to scientists.

 

**************

 

Really?  Were these scientists wearing labcoats, wearing black rimmed glasses, and holding clip boards when they presented this data?

What "science" is it that links climatology with human events? 


 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:40 | 1602859 Bring the Gold
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So weather patterns don't effect crop yields which in turn don't effect food prices? He wasn't talking about AGW, just NORMAL cyclical weather patterns.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:45 | 1602982 RagnarD
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I certainly agree.  Normal weather patterns can definitely be a leading causing of war.  Many, many things can lead to war.  And these "scientists" may have done a damn excellent analysis of the data, etal.  But my point is it is NOT science, and the gist, IMO, is that they are setting you/us up for their AGW argument, with their sly use of the word "scientist" early on in the text.  If we buy it at that point, it makes it easier, more innocuous for us to buy it later on.  That's what I'm smelling, anyway.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:23 | 1602953 AUD
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I agree, this claim of weather induced war is total bullshit.

War is everywhere & always a monetary phenomenon.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:35 | 1602972 Element
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Yup, I think WX has little to do with a decision to start a war, especially a real war, not these pathetic things pretending to be 'wars', that we see for the past few decades or so.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 04:35 | 1603178 Seer
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Wars are waged over RESOURCES!

I've got everything that I could want (my total needs are met) and I'd go to war because I didn't have "money?"

Based on your interpretation/logic there would have been NO wars/violence between different clans of cavemen.  OK, I'm assuming that money (the notion of it) didn't exist at that time; I could be wrong...

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 05:02 | 1603198 AUD
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That's right, you are wrong.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 01:19 | 1606800 WarPig
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Kook.  Money is shit paper without the resources to back it.

Eqaully kooky is assuming that a stable/reliable/pleasant/fertile  climate isn't among  the most crucial  resources.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:08 | 1602920 He_Who Carried ...
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"Quantitative Easing + Extreme Weather = Revolution + World War III"

That is probably the most ridiculous stuff I have read in a long time. Guys, a recession is not the end of the world nor will it come because some idiot politicians went on a spending spree piling up irresponsible amounts of debt promising their constituents free rides on public expenses....

Yes, democracy is fragile in many ways but alternatives are a lot worse!

Think twice, think about our children, pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get ready to find a new job like all of us at some point !

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:28 | 1602962 Rodent Freikorps
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When I think about the children, I just feel extra special rage against the pols.

Is that what you meant?

I don't think I respect your infantile opinion very much.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:36 | 1603056 Raymond Reason
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You are like so many who believe that real suffering in the world can only exist at a level that you yourself have personally experienced, i.e. starving in the Horn of Africa is no more painful than gridlocked traffic in LA on a hot day.   A common subjective-objective dissonance.  Wake up. 

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:51 | 1603083 trav7777
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Starving in the Horn of Africa is the fault of Africans.

Perhaps it's the West's fault for sending them so much food as to facilitate rampant overpopulation and complete lack of interest in self-sustenance.  Why grow food when whitey will drop care packages?

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 04:51 | 1603193 Seer
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"Why grow food when whitey will drop care packages?"

Maybe because whitey owns/controls the land?  And maybe because whitey is undercutting food prices, running local farmers out of business and instituting mono-cropping (mainly for export)?

I agree that trying to prop up the unsustainable only increases the problem, but one also has to understand how unsustainability occurred.  The Green Revolution was, perhaps, one of the worst undertakings by humans, ever.

One could also look at your comment this way:

"Why grow food when the corporate food system [backed by the govt] places food for pick up in local food centers [stores]?"

I can't remember who said it (Wendell Berry?  Joel Salatin?), but growing one's own food is one of the greatest acts of disobedience.

NOTE: I grow food.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 07:59 | 1603341 BigDuke6
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Odd that this comment should have as many reds as greens.
Reminds me of how dumb people have become.
Growing food... Isn't it a basic instinct? like food instinctively tasting better when it being from your garden.... maybe some don't even know that basic truth. Why?
Because we are too soft , soft as shite.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 13:42 | 1604161 DaveyJones
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Great comment Seer. The Green revolution along with genetically modified, oil dependent, corporate food will be one of the ugliest and deadliest chapters in human history.   

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:43 | 1603068 akenathon
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You say this (Yes, democracy is fragile in many ways but alternatives are a lot worse!) because you have no clue of what's happening elsewhere...and what has happened in the past.

The key question to ask is: If there's a new wat who has the most to gain?

US + China

During WWII, Europe got financed from the US which at the end also triggered the Marshall recontruction plan (again the US)

This time around you have China that want to play this game too but could we afford a WWIII? NO!

Why? Simply because there is no money to finance it!

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:50 | 1603078 He_Who Carried ...
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Look, the US has fought China twice this century and lost - why would anybody want to go there again?

Who tells you, that China "wants to play this", silly?

Tell me and let's measure your knowledge here and now!

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:51 | 1603256 BandGap
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That's argueable.

This time the US brings out the big toys and doesn't dance around imaginary lines on maps.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 08:37 | 1603412 UGrev
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I agree. We weren't fighting "Just" the Chinese. It was usually a country backed by the Chinese with money, men, equipment etc. Korea is a prime example. If China didn't intervene, there would only "Korea" today...no north, no south.. just Korea. 

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:43 | 1603069 akenathon
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You say this (Yes, democracy is fragile in many ways but alternatives are a lot worse!) because you have no clue of what's happening elsewhere...and what has happened in the past.

The key question to ask is: If there's a new wat who has the most to gain?

US + China

During WWII, Europe got financed from the US which at the end also triggered the Marshall recontruction plan (again the US)

This time around you have China that want to play this game too but could we afford a WWIII? NO!

Why? Simply because there is no money to finance it!

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 04:40 | 1603180 Seer
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Are you saying that we should keep this all propped up, commit our children to phony democracy and an unsustainable future?

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:46 | 1603247 Max Hunter
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Yes, democracy is fragile in many ways but alternatives are a lot worse!

This could quite possibly be the dumbest statement i've read on ZH for a week.. That's saying something.

DEMOCRACY SUCKS!  At least, the form we have now does.. It is the root of our problems. The way I see it, it's pretty simple, control information, you control the democracy... Way to easy for them to control us under this form of government.

Get your head out of your ass... The world will be a different place when do.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 14:23 | 1604995 He_Who Carried ...
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Democracy only sucks because you keep on electing idiots.
People like you shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

Give education a higher rank in public spending right now and in 15 years you will have a different place.

The quality of public schools and education in the US is at the very core of the problem. Keep 'em sheeples dumb so they run and shoot wherever is required in order keep the status quo.

What a waste of human talent.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 02:07 | 1603096 reader2010
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IMHO meaningful revolution won't take place here because they have learned a lot from those fucking Chicoms. They have successfully prepared themselves for it a few years back legally, militarily and logistically. As long as those unemployed/underemployed can still enjoy free housing, free food, free automobiles, and free iPads, they won't rock the bedrocks of the Empire. This great Melting-Pot has already been successfully turned into a fucking giant Frog-Boiling-Pot. We're gonna amuse ourselves to death on great web sites, such as Facebook and ZH.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 02:32 | 1603114 Michael
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a fucking giant Frog-Boiling-Pot. I like that. Was thinking the same thing earlier today.

Who can we identify as the frog boilers? I want names.

I love reading economic calamity porn.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 02:19 | 1603111 Michael
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When has any pesky world war ever stopped them in the past from doing exactly as they saw fit to do?

And what event in our wildest imaginations could possibly stop them now?

P.S.

We have La Nina now.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 07:57 | 1603336 malikai
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You, sir or madam, have my vote of confidence.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:43 | 1602674 jules from aus
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another memo brought to you from The Log Cabin Crew

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:53 | 1602699 fuu
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Their new album bumps.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:44 | 1602676 zorba THE GREEK
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I guess it's their way of shaking the weak hands out of the food market.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:49 | 1602685 camoes
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FOOD FIGHT BITCHEZZZZ!!! Wait...this is not funny at all...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:18 | 1602800 palmereldritch
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Hey! Whooaaahh!!
Apparently, I missed the memo about skipping asteroids and meteors (?)
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/01/werner-von-braun-and-the-hoaxed-alien...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:44 | 1602870 Gotterdammerung
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Alien Invasion…… The War of the Worlds,: classic sci-fi.  Ohh how I miss the Fifties,…… Ike we miss you, wher have you gone.  Such a simpiler time. Please someone save us from what is about to be delivered upon US.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:52 | 1602693 GeorgeHayduke
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Okay, that's the equation for more overt QE.

What's the equation for no more QE? Here's my long-winded guess:

Stock Market Crashes + Fraudulent Banks Crash + Lots of Pension Funds Collapse = Tubby, Ignorant Americans Stop Shopping at Walmart Long Enough to Start Taking Out Their Hostility on the Folks They Think Brought Them Here (Likely not the real perpetrators) + Extremely Pissed Off Populous Going Into 2012 Presidential Election + Wall Street Boyz Not Getting Huge, Freshly Printed Bonuses, Meaning Less Campaign Contributions.

Hey, it's just my usual cynical, too-busy-lately-to-pay-much-attention view. I'm sure you guys who follow this stuff religiously can come up with a better, more realistic equation.

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:53 | 1602695 Shineola
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So is the Bernake a psychopath or just an arrogant fool?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:00 | 1602728 President Palin
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So is the Bernake a psychopath or just an arrogant fool?

 

Both

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:30 | 1602829 Cabreado
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I believe that "Sociopath" is appropriate.

Psychopaths generally out themselves via behavior that even the Sociopaths find threatening to their illusion.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:49 | 1602880 FutureShock
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I think he is well meaning, if you saw the 60 minutes interview he is not an actor or professional bullshitter. He is doing his best and I suspect what he really thinks and would really like to do is surely compromised by circumstances, influence, and pressure beyond what anyone can imagine.  His strings are pulled and pushed and justification can be found in the right and wrong decisions.  Tough spot

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:59 | 1603065 arizona11912
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Chairsatan knows very well what he's doing and also understands the Great Depression was initiated by the Fed. The "Roaring 20s" was called that because of all the cheap money. The Great Depression was brought on by contracting the money supply by 1/3 then keeping it there after all the prices were inflated via the "Roaring 20s" to halt the economy via deflation. The Fed blows up and deflates the balloon on a whim (balloon=money stock).

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 04:54 | 1603194 Seer
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If he didn't have to deal with reality I'd say that he'd be doing a really great job!

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:20 | 1603018 nohweh
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And them some. Just doing his job.

Edit: definitely take exception to him being well-meaning. WTF,well meaning genocide?

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:28 | 1603041 Oh regional Indian
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Your handle si distrubing and probably will come true. My prediction is Palin/Schwazznegger 2012.

For those who yell Natural Born Ummmerikan citizens only, I have the answer, there is good reason Barry's birth stuff is a non-issue and non-event and a non-starter to boot.

Meanwhile, his controller's, controller, BenBtheBank, is neither arrogant nor a fool.

He is, after all is said and done,

Just a Tool.

Vivek

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/precursor-03-bottom-falling-out-still-still-and-a-gander/

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:52 | 1602696 tony bonn
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"This is why Ben Bernanke is guilty of crimes against humanity."

hear hear!!!!!!!! bravo!!!!! cy'est tres bien!!!! go david go!!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:53 | 1602698 Freebird
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It's raining again...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:55 | 1602708 Shineola
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either that or someone is pissing on my back.....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:53 | 1602700 Moneyswirth
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When the Feds come to confiscate our assets before shipping us to the salt mines, will they take our iPads too? Just asking...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:58 | 1602724 mfoste1
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I already ate mine

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:02 | 1602734 I am Jobe
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Did you add special sauce to that?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:06 | 1602754 A Lunatic
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Mine came with an iFries app for just such an occasion.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:05 | 1602749 Two Towers AU AG
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Depends.. does your Ipad have any gold/silver in it.. if not they will just shut off your electricity and internet...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:53 | 1602701 Arrowhead
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I feel safe in the States. The "hungry" revolutionaries here will be on those Walmart power scooters, easily evaded.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:44 | 1602868 rambo1028
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That would be so funny....if it weren't so true...

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:56 | 1603264 Max Hunter
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Actually.. it was F'n hilarious... I'm in an uncontrollable laughter right now.. :)

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:46 | 1602873 i-dog
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Meals on wheels!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:49 | 1602875 dwdollar
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Some of those people look as though they could survive a month without any food and still be over weight.  Maybe after they are able to lift themselves off of their scooters they'll be a little more threatening.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 07:41 | 1603313 See in the pink
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If they can keep from tripping over their own skin, that is...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:57 | 1602899 Coldfire
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....easily evaded.

Or easily hunted.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:54 | 1602702 Fake Jim Quinn
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Marx: best way to destroy the Capitalistic System was to debauch the currency. Looks like Ben & Co are on course for just that. Of course, I wish we actually had a Capitalist Sytem, instead of the kleptocratic corpocracy we have now

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:55 | 1602705 El Hosel
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You can't have revolution without revolt..... Where the Fuck is the revolt? 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:02 | 1602733 Shineola
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We ARE the revolt, Dear Hedgies!    And revolts don't need to be violent.  Our job is to withdraw our permission from the system that seeks to dominate us.  

 

Seriously, these guys are just hucksters.  We quit co-operating, and their crooked system will fail.  

 

The Wizard of Oz!   Have a heart, have a brain, have courage, and follow the yellow brick road.

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:18 | 1602798 Osmium
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Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:30 | 1603047 Oh regional Indian
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I say rip the damn curtain as you pass through it, so th eold man is exposed for what he is.

Vivek

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:23 | 1603034 nyse
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Revolt? My good man, we don't revolt any longer. Now, we tweet.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:57 | 1602716 mfoste1
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revolution, starvation and war is exactly what they want.....thats how this scum makes money and gains control over populations.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:57 | 1602717 I am Jobe
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Anonymous to Occupy Wall Street on September 17th, Expect Us

http://daviddegraw.org/2011/08/anonymous-to-occupy-wall-street-on-septem...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:11 | 1602769 Prometheus418
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Good on ya, if you do anything at all.

But until you do, STFU.  I'm tired of hearing Anonymous make grandiose claims without stepping up.  Lots of us are angry, and many of us are trying, as I'm sure you are as well- but what we're not doing is calling shots we can't make.

Come on boyz- if you've got the ability, we need you.  If you don't, stop pretending to be badasses.  No one will fault you if you can't do shit, but the announcements that lead to nothing are getting really worn out.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:51 | 1602885 myne
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I think you miss the concept of 'anonymous'. Amonymous IS YOU.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:00 | 1602904 A Lunatic
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Not very anonymous then.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:54 | 1602990 MayIMommaDogFac...
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But -- Julian is gonna ride in any second with his scandalous HDD from a major bank.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 03:18 | 1603137 Advoc8tr
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Get them to steal and publish as much personal information on the bad guys as they can and feed it into a new "Disgrace Book" site on secure servers in Iceland or something.  More than anything is a need to focus the attention on the right people so when TSHTF the raging mobs know who to focus their anger at rather than getting distracted and killing each other off as would be otherwise anticipated.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:57 | 1602718 max2205
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GeorgewAshington better step up his game....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:59 | 1602727 rsnoble
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Fuck me. Time for another beer and porn.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:01 | 1602730 I am Jobe
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Revolution in the USA- What, only if Desperate Housewifes is cancelled and MCD is closed. Till then life is good for the fat obese Americans.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:03 | 1602732 dumpster
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not just the fed , but how bought the lies that took us in to iraq.  the lies circling like

thermite and dust of 9-11..

Inflation is printing fiat..   like about every year since time began..

so we get papers about whats happiningg .. and all it takes is a little girl to point at the

men people .. and say  "they have no clothes "

why is it that long laborous papers tell us what even the senior with no income , the price of a bag of grub now approching 50 bucks .

and all the other little price hikes , medical, fuel, and some how a light goes on and now is the time ,lol 

about 10 years to late

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:04 | 1602748 I am Jobe
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Collapse the USD and Create a new currency is the plan.

 

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:44 | 1602978 Koffieshop
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Doubtful.

I don't see how anyone can have a solid long term plan for AFTER the Dollar collapse. It would all be a a wee bit too large-scale and unprecedented to be predictable.

My bet is that this like Enron. The people in the know have no choice but to accelerate while going off the cliff.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:49 | 1603076 arizona11912
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Read Reserve Accumulation International Monetary Stability that was put out by the IMF.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:49 | 1603077 arizona11912
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Read Reserve Accumulation International Monetary Stability that was put out by the IMF.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:02 | 1602735 SilverDosed
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Good thing my greatest renewable source of food, the Gulf of Mexico, is completely safe and free of contamination.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:07 | 1602756 Arrowhead
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safe, but pre-coated with anjou sauce

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:11 | 1602770 RebelYell
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its great on the coast... i dont have to oil my Penn reels after fishing anymore...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:21 | 1602808 SilverDosed
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I wouldnt know because I havent felt like dropping a couple grand on gas to go fishing recently. Used to be well worth it to drop 500 bucks on fuel to load the fishbox up. Now it looks like I'll have to resort to hunting hogs in the delta when TSHTF.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:32 | 1602838 Prometheus418
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Those javalinas are damn fine eatin'- prior to 2008, when all my non-local business dried up and went dark, I used to make pig-hunting spears for a guy in Florida, and accepted payment in wild pig.  

Absolutely delicious. You won't be missing out on much with that.  Around here, we've got venison and stupid quantities of turkeys.  Too bad turkey sucks.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:22 | 1602950 delacroix
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hunting javelina, with a spear, is pretty ballsy

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:46 | 1602983 Rodent Freikorps
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Saw a razorback gut a horse once.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:10 | 1602742 Die Weiße Rose
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This week alone, the FED has already auctioned off 200 billion USD in Debt at zero to 1percent Interest (ZIRP)

apart from that, the FED still "re-invests" US 14 billion each month in POMO's,

in so many ways the FED's "Quantitative Easing and the debasement of the USD" is continuing ....

FED POMO: http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/tot_operation_schedule.html

FED Auctions: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/RI/OFGateway

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:13 | 1602778 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yet somehow no one knows. 

The Greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:09 | 1602747 buzzsaw99
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Genocidal Ben is out there. He can't be reasoned with. He can't be bargained with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and he absolutely will not stop, ever, until we are dead...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbZMIP4XUE&feature=related

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:08 | 1602758 JW n FL
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***Re-Post***

Lets not forget the Hurricane???

all those jobs created.. from the destruction..

and then!

add in New York going down for a few days.. they are Thanking God they dont have to open after Germany Tanked today! WOW!! they will be believing that God really is on thier side now!

so, markets down? algo will churn but retail (Not that day traders are a large segment any more) will be closed..

I really wonder if this Hurrincane doesnt provide some real cover for the fucking scum bag Banksters to get things worked out?

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:05 | 1602914 candyman
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i remembe when NYC was the the most battle hardened progressive place to live. Unfortunatevely it has become the MOST LIBERAL, cock sucking gay/lesberian, progressive softie, gay loving, progressive place on earth. OOOOOOOhhh a hurricane.....take cover boyz.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 16:12 | 1605449 JW n FL
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Back in these dayz?

 

Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Fed’s Secret Loans

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-21/wall-street-aristocracy-got-1-2-trillion-in-fed-s-secret-loans.html

 

PLUS!!!

 

SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/is-the-sec-covering-up-wall-street-crimes-20110817

 

*******************************************************************************

 

Hope and Change YOU! Can Believe IN!!

 

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Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:09 | 1602761 WhoMe
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CBS news had a story last week about the skyrocketing price of food around the world. Of course, they attributed it to the new increased Chinese appetite (I guess they were all on diets for the last dceade or so?) and not one mention of the Fed and the world wide food/commodity inflation that they have created thanks to their QE policies. They also did a story about how Governor Rick Perry demanded that the Fed open their books. The CBS news story pointed out how the Fed has opened "many" of their books and has been the most "open" Fed to date.

I swear, CBS news is a lapdog for the Federal Reserve.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:09 | 1602762 TIMMAYYY
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cue the crescendo please

 

here comes the shit...im gonna take a seat right behind the fan...

and when that spray comes...i shall dance in it...i shall laugh in it...

 

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:26 | 1602960 Spastica Rex
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If you're behind the fan...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:09 | 1602763 oldman
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This is off-topic, but does anyone know whether or not the dollar and swissie are being managed by using the spot gold market as a proxie?

I ask this because on the 1,5,and 10 minute spot gold charts the patterns are identical.

thanks     om

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:10 | 1602765 lolmao500
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Yep. If Bernanke does QE3, I expect Taiwan's nationalist party to win and China to invade Taiwan... bringing us close... very close to WW3.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:12 | 1602767 A Lunatic
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Someday people will get hungry enough to burn down their neighborhoods, destroy their shopping centers, block the supply routes with charred wreckage, and line up at FEMA shelters for a soy burger and bottled water.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:56 | 1602998 Rodent Freikorps
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So it'll be Watts riots 2.0?

Seriously, what kind of sub humans torch their own neighborhood when they are pissed at someone else? Darwin would not approve of keeping such pets.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 06:48 | 1603250 Seer
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"what kind of sub humans torch their own neighborhood" (emphasis added)

Because it's really NOT their neighborhood, because it's owned and run by slumlords?  And because it really SHOULD be burned down?

Not saying that people don't stupid stuff, but sometimes what appears to be stupid ain't so...  Many rioters are not so different in many here in their desire to "stick it to the man."  Yes, mob psychology occurs, but one can see that everywhere one looks (even here).

Further, one could view such actions as being just under that of self-immolation*.  The aims are the same- to draw attention to injustices.  * Some go in quiet desperation, suicide, while others attempt to go out screaming; lots of this is taking place in India with farmers being pushed out by the govt and or corporations.

As Catherine Austin Fitts puts it (see below), perhaps we should start blaming the tapeworm and not its victim?

I believe that it's a lot of wasted energy though.  Better to use the energy to create something better.  Besides, if Catherine Austin Fitts (http://solari.com/blog/2010/11/05/catherine-austin-fitts-the-looting-of-...) is correct, in these slum-like places TPTB actually WANT these things to happen so that they can swoop in and buy stuff cheaper (literally a "fire sale!").

I had been on a panel of folks presenting information on bio-fuels, me being the only one (out of I believe seven people) who wasn't promoting bio-fuels, and made it a clear point that the path led to the appropriation of local lands by big corporations: encourage growing crops for bio-fuels and then undercut the local growers, forcing them to sell their businesses to the corporations.  I don't believe that I'd been aware of Fitts (or at least her views on food production) at the time, and that my view was based on the realities of historical conquests (which, in essence, is that big corporations are doing).

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