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Well, NOW it is..
Well, where is the CDS market here?
I'd say under operation of a gambling environment with other people's money and credit.
All in all I'd say this is one of the best Smiths I've read so far. And he now understands Taleb's point!
What about the CDS market in the case of Greece? Is the voluntary haircut of 50% a sufficent event for Greece CDS? If not, forget about CDS!
It's the biggest fundamental of all the fundamentals and it can't be said enough.
Charles Hugh Smith surveys the forest while too many others are staring at the trees.
The entire system is fucked!
It's alright, the EFSF has just managed to raise €3bn. We're saved! Yay!
Ooh, ooh, do one for the SEC. It's Monday and my brain's not working.
....k that one's a little harder
S sex. E every. C computer.
Big bonuses for taking risk.
I like the way you think, Mister.
skimming in a credit ladden capitalist system also has a multiplier effect....
assume skim rate @ .2
(.2) + (.2)(.2) + (.2)(.2)(.2) + .... So in the long run the real economy is choked off from capital/resources.
Multiplier effects are the feedback loops in the system, and its negation 1-(multiplier rate) series has a built in reflexive property
Are you a genius or is that just bullshit way over my head ?
It looks right to my eye, so on the off chance you are a genius I'll give you +1
If my memory serves [and it usually doesn't] that series converges to 25%, or
x + x^2 + x^3... for absolute value of x <1, or
[ 1/[1-x] ] -1 = .25
Which sounds about right. The bankers are stealing about 25% of the income and in exchange they see that we have pliable leadership.
Do you deserve more? Your congresscritter doesn't think so. So shut up and enjoy it.
.25 off the top sounds about right.
After all, 30 years ago, the "financial" componet of our economy was less than 15%. We had lots of jobs and actually manufactured lots of things.
Now, the financial contribution to GDP is over 40%. No wonder we are where we are, fiscally speaking.
Yes, and somebody ought to recalculate GDP ex-financials to arrive at the true rate of decline in actual US GDP during those 30 years. Maybe then the numbers will match up with everybody's daily observations regarding the sorry state of the real economy here, and why there has only been one depression, and that using GDP or the S&P to argue for any sort of recovery is total BS.
It's very, very simple. If you don't have moral hazard you don't have efficient, stable markets. The massive CDS market, bailouts and the fed have all but destroyed real free market capitalism.
Losses must be taken before we can start again.
HD - I like telling the NYC OWS folks the same thing.
Downward mobility is just as important as upward mobility. We lost the downward part when someone on Wallstreet fucks up. They are allowed to continue to make the same mistakes over and over. This is not capitalism. OWS is protesting against a kleptocracy and they are realizing this. They loved that word as do I. Well, love/hate.
Of course you have a fraudulent system! When the a central bank can print money out of thin air, lend it to some bank at close to 0% and the bank lends that money to the market at something like 5% (pick a number here), it is a gross distortion of the market, it is manipulation, and it is a ponzi through and through. And as usual with all market manipulations, the snap back is always vicious. The larger the distortion and the longer it is maintained, the more vicious. To the point of totally wrecking the manipulator. Sound familiar to the situation we are in?
All frauds are intrinsically unstable
I met with my congresscritter this morning for a meet and greet. I flat out ask him about fraud, freddy and freaky, boy what A bullshit storm. The others were grey hairs worried about social security and medicare.
What a mother fucking deflective fuck. I made him sweat and rattled.
He sure liked using the phrase "free markets".
As far as help coming from the district of dipshits? forget it.
You are on your own, BITCHEZZ.....
Good for you! Election season is coming & I hope far more of us turn out for these local meetings. They will be held in every district over the coming months. Draw up your list of questions that will force discussion of real economic isues, and be prepared to chalenge and not accept bullshit answers.
Ask them if they are in favor of bringing back Glass-Stegal. Ask if they believe we can solve problems of debt with more debt. Ask if they approve of this low-interest program from the FED, which is robbing millions of savers the interest they are entitled to and destroying the ablity of pension plans to meet future obligations. Ask them if they beieve corporations are people...& if they do, ask them if they can vote.
The list can go on & on, but you get my drift. I, too have been to a number of meetings with local Congressional representatives, and Ruffcut is right....most people attending are older and more concerned with general issues like Social Security and Medicare, or they are supporters of the speaker. It is good and healthy to shake them up and make them stutter.
I brought up glass steagle and he thought it was goldman steal and went into frank dodd.
A state senator was behind me and said all the fucky freaky MBS was bwarneys fault, and he was in the mortgage thft business. Yes fre held a gun to the heads of countrywide, wamu and chase to underwrite no doc reverse amort and teaser rate loans. I told him that and he ducked behind me, out of the room. I did not see him again.
Fuck, Im still pissed off.
Chuck Ponzi would be immensely proud that his life's work has been carried on in such a grand fashion.
never understand the down dings for these comments. isn't it the trademark ZH phrase?
aren't the down dings trademark ZH?
aren't the down dings trademark ZH?
It is, but he didn't spell it bitchez.
(No, I didn't junk him.)
The junks are from those who don't have any gold. At the current ratio of +/- (5/2) I'd say that's about the ZH average population who hold/don't hold gold. Jealousy!
Until bankers / investment houses and crooked regulators start doing perp walks and/or getting hit with lynch mobs the financial system will not correct.
Too many examples exist of outright theft and corruption for unethical men in the markets to fear justice. So it will continue until systemic collapse.
I fear the systemic collapse will be engineered so that unethical men go unscathed and the replacement system allows for just as much, if not more, fraud.
when did you become such an optomist?
Right after he got his 'opto' degree.
Ha, good one.
Absolutely. And not just fraud, XITSam. They want to go way past that into some form of pretend-democratic society where-you-have-no-freedom because you are regulated to death; and they will confiscate your wealth without due process should you break the regs.
if those who gambled and lost were not made to pay, it made the rest of us (well some of us) realize they we could make our own bailouts for ourselves and justify .....moral hazard is a bitch, but i would like to thank them for waking me up that i do not have to follow the rules that kept me down...so really was 2008 the end or really the beginning
If by "make our own bailouts" I assume you mean you stopped paying your Visa bill. And to that all I can say is - I'm jealous, wish I had thought of it.
My Visa card is issued from my credit union, and I would not think of defaulting on an organization that has served me fairly for the last 39 years. Should I get a different card from a bank so I can max it out on GOLD, BITCHEZ?
Like Minsky said, Too much money in the markets and they become unstable.
Blame 401ks and Under-taxed rich.
Ignore the history of LTCM and go broke.
There once was a time when retirement plans were diverse. (Corp pensions and CSRS govt employees retirement plans) Then some brilliant person came up with the idea that everyone should manage their own retirement plans and all the Darwinian lovers of money said yeah. Until their time came and they cried foul or put their faith in gold.
Imagine where we would be now had Bush succeeded in making Soc Security Taco Bell ... I mean 401k now.
Das on Financial Sector: "Like Big Tobacco, the Financial Sector "forgets" to factor in the one big variable: Externalities"
And this is where societys end up as a result of the systematic and prolonged fraud where small portion of the population gets almost everything.
that was a great read. tons of good stuff in there. first guy really describes it well.....
Die Vergeltung schaft keine Erlöse.
Come on you investigative journalists out there, lets get on it...
they're called "Honey [trap] Pot's",...
Tally sticks, bitches!
so many articles, so many vague generalities, so many frauds yet no names named. when will there be a real expose naming the culprits (culprits ? I mean CRIMINALS ! ) The word is fraud & outright looting of the U.S. TREASURY & systematic looting of the American taxpayer to support the military industrial complex & Wall St. & the City of London & don't even get me started on 9/11 & the twin towers & what really went down that day ... do your own research; i did mine & it's gut-wrenchingly sick, makes you want to vomit & get a pitchfork or worse & go after these sick son-of-a-bitches. I hope they all rot in hell.
But the real crime, Lynnybee, is that so much of it is legal.
Not mentioned is the fact that, what is intrinsically fraudulent and unstable, indeed, is intended, and this to hasten the pipe dream of neo-fascists the world over whose given name today is "governance."
The maginot line worked really well, until it didn't. Then France collapsed like a house of cards.
maginot line = US treasury market
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