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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Former Marine Arrested For Patriotic Posts On Facebook

First the establishment started going after current serving military men for their outspoken political views on Facebook and other web venues, men like Marine Sergeant Gary Stein.  Now, it seems the government is going after veterans as well.  This is the classic pattern of a burgeoning totalitarian state; attack a small group first (outspoken serving military) which the public ignores because it affects them little personally, then slowly expand out to eventually include everyone else.  To all those insipid bottom feeders out there who refused to defend Gary Stein's right to free speech, here is what you have wrought.  Because of your ignorance, the government has been able to set a social precedent which they now plan to apply to a whole new group of people, starting with former Marine Brandon Raub.  The common statist slave will give the typical coward's response, which would sound a little something like this:

"...When are people going to learn that Facebook isn't private?  You would have to be stupid to express such views where everyone can see..."

"They didn't arrest him, they just 'detained' him..."

"He's former military and should be 'ashamed' of his comments against the government., blah blah blah, etc..."

The bottom line is, the 1st Amendment is NOT conditional.  ALL speech must be protected, no matter who you are, or where you happen to be speaking.  Just because our current criminal government decides 1st Amendment protections do not apply to Facebook does not mean they have the authority to make such distinctions.  In fact, the Constitution explicitly outlines how they are restricted from making such distinctions.  If a government entity, ANY government entity, attempts to violate Constitutional restrictions, it must be removed by any means necessary.

Take note that the FBI used the accusation of "terrorist threats" by Brandon Raub as an excuse for the arrest even though there is no indication that any actual threats were present on his Facebook page..

(Brandon's comments included observations that 9-11 was done by the government (even going to such length, and an interestingly detailed thesis, of providing evidence to augment this), the War on Terror is a lie, Americans are killing innocent people in the ME, the current federal banking system is corrupt and unfeasible to Americans, and that the George Bush's family rapes little children)

I would say that all of these claims have enough circumstantial evidence behind them to warrant a serious independent investigation, and even if they didn't, there is no law against "conspiracy theory", at least not yet...

The police and FBI also failed to read Raub his Miranda Rights. Could this be one of the first public instances of the enforcement of NDAA detainment provisions against a U.S. citizen as a so called "domestic terrorist"?  You know, those detainment provisions that Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs alike claim "don't exist"?

My question for the statist slaves is, how soon will it be before they get to you?  Do you really believe your complacency and apathy will save you?  Has that kind of philosophy saved any slave under any other tyranny of the past?  This is NOT a free country anymore, and if we do not act to defend each individual who suffers under the weight of bureaucratic oppression, then everyone will lose everything.  It is time to pick a side.


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Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:32 | 2718312 diogeneslaertius
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digital gestapo in full effect via the NSA front Faceboob

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:43 | 2718348 neptunium
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That's because typical ZH'ers believe the world is run by a conspiracy of superhuman jewish/reptillian/shapeshifting/socialist/capitalist/whatvers. 


In fact most people here are so far gone that I'm surprised they've not yet migrated to David Icke's forums where their views don't (occasionally) get trashed.


Apart from anything else, I reject these viewpoints because they are crass simplifications of what is a complex system of human interaction that needs no particular conspiracy to explain it (other than any other behavioural actions typical of social primates), simplifications that are designed to enthrall mouthbreathing neckbeards long enough to earn some ad-revenue from them in the few minutes of downtime they have between masturbating.


And Junk all you want, who gives a fuck  : ) 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:04 | 2718427 lakecity55
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Icke is hardly a serious researcher.

Junked you is.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:06 | 2718437 neptunium
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Oh the humanity ! ! 


The difference between Icke and any other NWO fantasist is one of degree and not of kind ; ) 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:22 | 2718600 LetThemEatRand
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What you suffer from is called "normalcy bias."  For example, most people cannot even allow themselves to consider that 9/11 was an inside job.  Normalcy bias dictates that it is literally impossible that anyone in high places in our government would intentionally cause it or allow it to happen, or that they could get away with lying about it.  So people with this condition don't read about the evidence that exists, they don't think it's odd that passports for the supposed hijackers were found in the rubble but that everything else was vaporized, they don't think it is strange that two steel structures pancaked like a perfect demolition project, they don't think it is odd that a building that housed sensitive government information and that was not struck by any plane pancaked perfectly as well (or they don't even know about 47 story building 7 or that it collapsed perfectly in its own footprint), they think it's coincidental that Rumsfield announced the day before the attack that the Pentagon was missing over two trillion dollars, and they call anyone who even considers these things to be a sign of something greater to be a nut.   


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:12 | 2718708 neptunium
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No I looked at the available evidence, from crackpots being given time on the media to talk about "nanothermite". 


Look I'm quite sure you could construct a rational argument as to why you believe the Loch Ness monster exists, the only way to discover the truth is to weigh available evidence, I've seen very good structural analysis of the failure modes from both towers, to me it is actually a miracle they held up so long and that so many escaped, either way, you choose to believe what you want, you prefer the conspiracy theory, some people like to believe aliens exist, it's fine, just don't assert that you are impartial in the matter ;  ) 



Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:30 | 2718747 francis_sawyer
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One of my personal favorites


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 20:59 | 2719306 Reptil
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You sir, are a very devious troll, or an inane baboon.

Go fuck yourself, you clown. Anyone with half a brain and internet access could've found out by now that it's all been a setup. ESPECIALLY if you read and even post on ZH.

So you're a fascist mole, a troll. Well, you'll remember this day when your children have thyroïd lumps and your wife has been raped by some higher up fascists.




Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:23 | 2719536 LetThemEatRand
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" I've seen very good structural analysis of the failure modes from both towers..."

First, I don't believe you've seen anything beyond the official explanation, which more than 1000 architects and engineers assert is bunk.  For example, the official investigation found no evidence of explosives, which sounds pretty convincing until you realize -- wait for it -- that they did not test for explosives.  Look it up.  Second, you conveniently omit reference to building 7, which collapsed with no impact from anything, and no jet fuel, etc.   Third, anyone who would equate the mountain of scientific evidence that 9/11 was an inside job to the lochness monster, is deliberately attempting to marginalize the discussion for the sake of any casual readers.  

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 00:18 | 2719766 Seer
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Say whatever you want.  Believe whatever you WANT to believe, but the FACT is is that those buildings experienced free-fall speed.  IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS, PHYSICS/MOTHER NATURE PROVIDED THE REAL PICTURE.

If you don't believe in gravity then you surely wouldn't mind if you were thrown off of a cliff?

Two "words": Operation Northwoods

I.F. Stone: ALL governments lie (US govt either lied because it was taking money for "protecting" us and it FAILED [cover up for incompetence of graft]; or, it was involved - these are the ONLY two possibilities).

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:21 | 2718725 CompassionateFascist
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@Neptune: get yourself a copy of GESTAPO CHIEF: THE 1948 (OSS) INTERROGATION OF HEINRICH MUELLER (San Jose, 1995), Vol. II. Among other interesting documents, it includes (pp. 42-55; 246-52) the German intercept/descramble of a 26 November 1941 trans-Atlantic radio-telehone conversation between Churchill and Roosevelt. Subject: a detailed discussion of the upcoming Jap attack on Pearl Harbor, and how to play it. This is how the world is run. Then and Now. And this is how they run it. 12/7 = 9/11.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:26 | 2718737 neptunium
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You're a gullable tool if that is the level of cryptohistorical evidence required to convince you.


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:48 | 2718914 CompassionateFascist
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What you know about Pearl Harbor - and related topics - I could shove under a fingernail. 8 hours after the intercept, Navy Dept cut prelim orders to Kimmel to get the ships that mattered - the two Carrier Battle Groups - out of harbor via bogus airplane ferry missions to Wake and Midway. During an exchange of e-mails with Pacific War expert John Lundstrom on precisely this issue - timing of the orders - he suggested that I "stay away from this dangerous topic". You lose, regime tool.   

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 19:05 | 2719063 neptunium
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Herpaderpaderp, I loved the "transcripts" of WC and FDR, they were written with all the believability of someone writing Star Wars fanfiction. They've been debunked as frauds and given the author has about as much credibility as you that wasn't hard.


And yes I'm sure you're just too close to the razor-edge of truth, yes, soon they'll come for you, luckily however it will more likely be to medicate you. Stay away from this dangerous topic you awesome renegade. 



Mon, 08/20/2012 - 02:55 | 2719884 FreedomGuy
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I suffer from a rational bias. I actually have an engineering degree although I do not design buildings that large. It is most likely they will pancake. It has to do with mass, design, sheer size and the nature of the failure. Building do not fall over like the toy ones you made as a kid. You have to have an unusual pattern of destruction for them to fall over their own midpoints. You have probably seen photos of bombings in WW2. Notice how few buildings fall over. They collapse.

I have watched various analyses and I tend to believe things are as presented. It would take an incredibly clever conspiracy of idiots to pull this off. These terrorists were not geniuses. The other planes hit the Pentagon and presumably Congress. Exactly what is the conspiracy?

The government can easily destroy its own secret information without collapsing buildings and invading two foreign countries.

Like Occhams razor I will take the simplest explanation and that is where the evidence is.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:06 | 2718436 Dr Benway
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If you have a space where people share ideas in a truly free and uncensored way, there will be some ideas that you find strange.


What ZH puts into contrast is how utterly mainstreamed, non-dissenting and censored MSM is.


Also, the people with the strongest opinions will often be the most vocal, so it may seem everyone here believes in shapeshifters.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:44 | 2718554 neptunium
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Good comment but the problem as far as I can see is that most people lack the ability to discriminate between fact and fiction, there is perhaps an inate ability of humans to ascribe anything too complex for them to understand as "myth" - when explosed to the NWO-type conspiracies many people simply don't have the intellectual capability to see a more complex reality, therefore:

The world is corrupt and full of people who are greedy and powerful = these must be superhumans collaborating towards our downfall. Unfortunately the problem with NWO theories (and any other scapegoats in history) is that people conveniently detach themselves from the system they hope to describe - i.e. they don't see their own connection to it. 



Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:07 | 2718593 Terminus C
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You raise a valid point about information processing, it is very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, however:

A quick read of history shows that the entirety of human existence has been and still is "driven by conspiracy".  Corporations are conspiracies to generate wealth and power for shareholders.  Governments are conspiracies to generate wealth and power citizens (we see good governments who try and do this for the majority of its citizens and bad governments who do it for the few).

Wars are conspiracy, trade deals are conspiracy etc... etc... and many, if not most, conspiracies harm those, not "in the know".  This is why we spend so much time on this site "speculating" about various conspiracies (political and economic) because we seek to protect ourselves and get as "in the know" as possible so that we can, if possible, benefit from said conspiracy or at least mitigate the damage caused to us.  You speak of complexity and deride the "simplistic" nature of the comments here but you fall victim to the same.  To assume there are no conspiracies of powerful men attempting to change the world in a massive way for their own benefit is to close your eyes to the lessons of all human history.


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:25 | 2718632 neptunium
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There are conspiracies of sorts, but it's the notion that they exist as separate entities from the rest of society that troubles me..


I remember not long ago at all it was all the rage to be a property tycoon, cheap mortgage rates combined with available credit and a bubble produced the perfect storm for people to exploit for their own ends "buy to let" schemes - they became little oligarchs and it became normal to discuss and boast about one's good fortunes, the point being that when exposed to easy money we are (generally) all easily enticed by self-enrichment. 

You can not separate the small fish from the big fish, they all take part in the same ecosystem, and only knowledge and understanding of the system itself raises any possibility of changing this - the "1 percent" as it has been coined is a fallacy that unfortunately also acts as a scapegoat for those wanting a simplistic way of attributing blame for the financial situation on those in banking as opposed to those who actually provide the retail banking deposits that can be frivolously reinvested. 

And that is my problem with all of these things, they all have a whiff of scapegoat about them that is ultimately counterproductive, asserting bankers and politicians as untouchable masters of all they survey only diminishes a real understanding of the true complexities.



Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:42 | 2718662 Terminus C
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You can not separate the small fish from the big fish, they all take part in the same ecosystem

This is true, but those "in the know" made a lot more money off of that gambit than those outside.  The small fish you describe are those who are outside.  If they did not truly understand the ecosystem (the rules of their environment... aka in the know) then they got eaten (or if they did not get eaten it was because they were lucky, not because they were smart... smart is "in the know").

Had a real estate investor questioned "who benefits most from easy money policies and what has always followed easy money policies in the past" then they would have been safer.  People who came out in 2004-2005 and claimed real estate was in an "easy money" created bubble were considered "conspiracy theorists" and were drowned out by the endless droning of the MSM.  I am not sure why you are arguing against this.

You point, as I see it, is that there are a lot of theories about how the world works and what is really going on.  Many of them are based on a small number of facts that get extrapolated.  In some cases the extrapolation goes to absurd levels.  However, there are many things, like manipulated markets and political manipulation (to fight a war for example), that have large bodies of facts that support these theories.  Dismiss these as a "conspiracy theory" to your own peril.


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:55 | 2718678 Dr Benway
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Well put! The way I see it, using Occam's Razor there is no need for an explicit global conspiracy cabal to explain the observed phenomena. Skewed incentives, game theory and individuals acting rationally from a personal perspective can explain it, IMO.


But the reason for the rise in conspiracy theories is the fact that the government DOES lie about many things. So when people realize this, they assume the government must be lying about everything. And where does it end? Shapeshifters.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:15 | 2718714 neptunium
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Both excellent points, but if you look at the "up and down votes" respectively in this conversation you can see quite clearly that most people are very much in favour of 9-11 being an inside job, presumably the same would go with the moon landings (I've seen such comments get +20 -0) hence my original assertion that ZH is frequented by paranoid dimwits, at least the stories that don't have too many complex graphs : ) 


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:20 | 2718727 neptunium
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You point, as I see it, is that there are a lot of theories about how the world works and what is really going on.  Many of them are based on a small number of facts that get extrapolated.  In some cases the extrapolation goes to absurd levels.  However, there are many things, like manipulated markets and political manipulation (to fight a war for example), that have large bodies of facts that support these theories.  Dismiss these as a "conspiracy theory" to your own peril.


Exactly what I'm saying - the simplified extremes "everything is controlled by x" drown out reasonable arguments that are ultimately still better explained by mutual or individual vested interests. The problem is that it tends to be the extremes that people latch on to, that become memes in their own right, that make it easy not to actually do the research and find a convenient scapegoat for their own (or societal) failings at the same time : ) 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:56 | 2718811 KK Tipton
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"the simplified extremes "everything is controlled by x" drown out reasonable arguments that are ultimately still better explained by mutual or individual vested interests. The problem is that it tends to be the extremes that people latch on to, that become memes in their own right,"


Some of the "simplified extremes" are actually manufactured and fostered/promoted by specific factions.
If you take the bait...the creators/promoters are all too happy to let you run with it.

Example: Almost *all* UFO evidence. The US Govt actively promoted disinformation in this realm.
Led to actual deaths in some cases.

The "vested interests" indeed. Those are always the problem.

These sickos need to prey upon each other.....leave the rest of us out of it.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:22 | 2718859 XitSam
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<- 9/11 was inside job, prepper, gold/silver

<- 9/11 was inside job, prepping is stupid

Just curious as to which way the 9/11 crowd leans with regards to prepping.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 03:00 | 2719887 FreedomGuy
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Finally, a rationalist. Seems that once you become a conspiracy theorest...every damn thing is a conspiracy and not a thing can be as it seems. Nothing can be without conspiracy. Don't you think somewhere, somehow one inside person would rat out the conspiracy?

What is usually present are common interests and the simple conspiracies or manipulations are more plausible...such as bribing your local Congressman with large donations to make him/her more aware of your issue. Obama saves GM because he needs union votes. Those are fairly rational.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:14 | 2720547 Cosimo de Medici
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You might be part way to the answer.

Take something quite possible, e.g., Obama will release oil from the strategic reserve shortly before the election, then label it a "conspiracy".  If and when Obama does this electioneering move, announce that "yet another conspiracy has been proven true".  Follow this---the thing YOU labelled a conspiracy---with the conclusion "therefore all conspiracies are true".  That is a favorite bit of Euclidean illogic on this site, in which even one of the Tylers engages, though that might well be intentional click baiting.

Amusing as many of the wingnuts on this site are, it keeps things in perspective to note that most are unemployed or severely redundant, on disability insurance, probably on medication, and fanbois of the likes of David Icke, Alex Jones, & Brandon Smith, who collectively have clear access only to their own asses, from which they pull their material.  Conspiracies just give them a reason to be and let them feel alive.  Humor them.  They're completely impotent.


Tue, 08/21/2012 - 02:38 | 2722936 FreedomGuy
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Good point, Medici. It struck me as I read the various conspiracies that they in fact become what atheists make fun of...religionists. The idea is that many religions try to explain what they cannot explain with invisible forces. Therefore fairies, leprechauns, evil spirits are the invisible prime force. So, the conspiracy theorists have people and organizations that are every bit as invisible as fairies, very powerful and always malevolent. It becomes a religion of sorts.

I do believe there are conspiracies of common interests. You could make rational arguments about the Fed, bankers and central banks worldwide. However, they are not so shadowy and the reasons for their actions is not too hard to understand. This is different from presuming an elusive Illuminati and then attaching everyone including Ron Paul to it.

It almost reminds me of trying to find bigfoot.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 21:07 | 2719200 Element
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neptunium - And that is my problem with all of these things, they all have a whiff of scapegoat about them that is ultimately counterproductive, asserting bankers and politicians as untouchable masters of all they survey only diminishes a real understanding of the true complexities.


Yes, but you then plunge into the naive stream of auto-presumptions, that fraud and graft are not commonplace, and that corruption, conspiracy and cover-ups are rare things, when they are in fact not uncommon at all.  They're so routine and normalised that they're hidden in plain-sight, and go almost unquestioned and unaccounted for.

So one of the major problems in the US (this is coming from a foreigner BTW ... thank christ!) is that not nearly enough people realise that the chambers on "The Hill" are nothing but big-money conspiracies, in dynamic operation, in plain sight, calling itself a Govt for the people by the people ... ha! ... yeaaaah.

People are taught it's actually desirable to have this crap, that its not at all a conspiracy, so inculcated and unchallenged has it become, and so abundantly provisioned with MSM lackeys and stooges, spinning its requires daily lies, that it just goes on and on, as it was cynically intended and gamed to do so.

While smarmy pragmatic condescending intelligent ones spend time trying to convince others even a zh that there ain't really a problem here, if you'd just take it into proper consideration, consider the full spectrum of the dynamics, and especially if you're smart enough to like, 'get it'.

Uh-huh, right ... and thanks for the 'enlightenment'.

And what was all that bilious crap about not being able to see our part in it all?  Or to reason clearly and sufficiently to evaluate the balance of key facts of a matter, to determine if it's a conspiracy, and facts from fictions? ... ok, ... and so who do you think you're kidding here? ... and where the fuck do you think you're at again?

There's maybe just enough brains within zh to forego your worthy mainstream but strangely doctrinaire insights, but it's sure nice to have you come and condescend to us, and straighten us to right on the fundamentals of thought, and critical examination of issues and facts.

So well done, and we're all eternally grateful but on yer bike now noddy, pretty sure we can cope without the intellectual trainer-wheels.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 23:24 | 2719672 OneTinSoldier66
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The Bankers got bailed out, we got sold out. The Government sold us down the river to the banksters.


I'm not looking for any scapegoat. I'm looking to see if Jon Corzine, for example, is ever going to... get touched.



Mon, 08/20/2012 - 01:04 | 2719805 Seer
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"You can not separate the small fish from the big fish, they all take part in the same ecosystem, and only knowledge and understanding of the system itself raises any possibility of changing this - the "1 percent" as it has been coined is a fallacy that unfortunately also acts as a scapegoat for those wanting a simplistic way of attributing blame for the financial situation on those in banking as opposed to those who actually provide the retail banking deposits that can be frivolously reinvested."

Big fish, small fish... humans are OF nature, and nature is all about deception.  This we could likely agree on.  But...

I don't think that "scapegoating" is the umbrella [word] that you suggest it is.  If you have a group of people charging off toward the cliff's ledge, led there by "leaders" [the "1 percent" as you bring up], and several people jump up and point out that the herd, as driven by the "1 percent," is heading for trouble I'd hardly call it "scapegoating."

There's a difference between warning [out of no intent to garner specific personal advantage] and scapegoating [which is meant to cover self-deficiencies/garner personal advantage].

As you seem to suggest, it's The System.  And given that the System is based on growth, PERPETUAL growth on a finite planet, NOTHING is going to correct this essential premise: remove it and you no longer have The System.  That is the Great Deception that humans have brought upon themselves.  It has been the "1 percenters" who have handed down this mantra since the beginning of time: it allows them to live off the labors of others (while being in the position of command- pretty good gig if you can get it [nearly always requires being born in the right family and in the right country/nation]).

TPTB, whether engaged in any conspiracy or not, believe they are to carry out their place, and when Mother Nature doesn't provide the physical necessities (for basics and for commerce) then their positions of authority diminishes and the threat from the un-washed masses starts becoming real.

I've had countless discussions over the NWO.  I spend no energies fighting any such thing because I know that it cannot exist due to insufficient energy to hold such a huge structure together.  I have no idea what nefarious or benevolent attitudes could exist behind that "curtain," and, frankly, it doesn't matter because it won't happen.  BUT, as much as I don't like to engage in these discussions it doesn't mean it's because I don't believe that any such thing could exist (the idea of an NWO, of there being a conspiracy to create one- I often defend the LOGIC of entities like the Fed in making it tough for people to figure out what they're doing, as telegraphing what they are going to do is a sure bet that it's NOT going to work [not that there's anything they can do, but the GAME says that they're not supposed to give their hand away, which would, I suppose, be insider-trading stuff (again, I have NO idea whether they are or aren't, only that on the side of benevolence they would tend to NOT do so)]).

I don't believe in the blanket statement of it all being counterproductive because there are lessons in all of it, lessons that future generations, if you really do believe in pushing toward true knowledge, would benefit from understanding [at least being advised on what NOT to do].  No, I don't believe that you need to chase down the Rabbit Hole, which may be what you're really concerned with: I knew someone who was on pace to totally write the entire history of the US in order to identify all the villains (and, yes, there most certainly ARE plenty); by the time you've written your current chapter "they" will have created enough material [left enough crumbs] to write two more.  It is Their System, and if you don't like it the only real recourse is to, as Buckminster Fuller put it, create a totally separate system and make Theirs obsolete (otherwise you are, as you note, still in The pond).

The only complexities in life center on where life came from, what it is, and where it will end.  Otherwise: Food, Shelter and Water- pretty simple.  Anything else one ascribes "complexity" to is more about deception: confusion through obfuscation- "the gods I talk to do not grant you the 'knowledge,' they do not allow for you to question me."

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 05:47 | 2719968 Reptil
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"the fish rots from the head"

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:31 | 2718520 UGrev
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This post can be summed up in the following way: 

The TV show "V" was a TV show, you fucking clowns.. 

...and the assholes that are trying to control you are septaguarnarians and octagenarians with delusions of grandure and a desire to control you because they couldn't control anything their own lives which they blamed on "you". So suck it up, grow some balls and send those douche bags packing. 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:07 | 2718441 monoloco
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We all might end up being future cellies. Pass me a spork, please.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:18 | 2718618 jumbo maverick
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What do they have in store for you?
Face cage with a hungry rat in it. 2+ 2=

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:16 | 2718251 Red Heeler
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Thanks to NDAA it's entirely possible that we'll never hear from this guy again.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:21 | 2718268 francis_sawyer
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Here's someone who we definitely won't be hearing from again...


Irish heroine of Batman shooting spree drowns

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:26 | 2718284 Red Heeler
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She knew too much.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:02 | 2718419 lakecity55
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Yep. She heard too much from the victims' description of the event's facts and had to go.

I'd wait and see how many more first responders begin meeting with statistically improbable "accidents."

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:23 | 2719535 Bringin It
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Hospital ER staff could have seen a lot of inconsistencies.  With one gone the others will forget what they knew?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:33 | 2718316 diogeneslaertius
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she couldve talked and thus was suicided WOOPS!

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:21 | 2718261 TomGa
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The right of citizens to protest openly and freely is our contry's proverbial "canary in the coalmine."  When we see that right curtailed, we know the death of our republic will soon be at hand.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:32 | 2718309 Gully Foyle
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Have you ever read any American history?

Open protest has been not only frowned upon but severely punished since virtually day one.

Spend some time researching US troops firing on protesting miners and railroad workers, or '68 Chicago.

Must be nice to still have illusions about the US.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:41 | 2718331 TomGa
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Which part of "death of our republic" is an illusion?


("country" btw. Darn that edit button.)

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:13 | 2718466 Gully Foyle
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Which part of READ confuses you?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:44 | 2718352 Ricky Bobby
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 Hey Gully since you are a statist troll will I get arrested for saying FUCK YOU AND YOUR BOLD TEXT! 


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:09 | 2718448's picture

You've opened yourself up to CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:28 | 2718739 CompassionateFascist
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Bold text is good. Italicized bold text is better.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:47 | 2718367 GeezerGeek
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What happened during the Democrat convention in Chicago in 1968 was hardly a peaceful assembly no matter which side one was on. The protestors were not petitioning for redress of grievances.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:09 | 2718446 monoloco
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Yeah, how many remember the Bonus Army?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:16 | 2718477 Gully Foyle
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Dude, the majority here can't even remember what they wrote yesterday. Attention span of hummingbirds. And dumber than the average garden gnome.

But they do love their TWO MINUTES HATE.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:46 | 2718663 monad
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Hummingbird foreplay lasts at most 3-15 minutes and they are polygamous. Thats not dumb, that's totally awesome. We don't stand a chance.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:26 | 2718634 UGrev
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Probably very few since they probably don't teach about it in public school. Well...I can tell you this much... I CERTAINLY didn't learn about this in public school. 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:44 | 2718661 Rick64
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 This is nothing new. Here is the Patriot Act of 1918.

The Sedition Act of 1918 (Pub.L. 65-150, 40 Stat. 553, enacted May 16, 1918) was an Act of the United States Congress that extended the Espionage Act of 1917 to cover a broader range of offenses, notably speech and the expression of opinion that cast the government or the war effort in a negative light or interfered with the sale of government bonds. "[1]

It forbade the use of "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, its flag, or its armed forces or that caused others to view the American government or its institutions with contempt. Those convicted under the act generally received sentences of imprisonment for 5 to 20 years.

Most U.S. newspapers "showed no antipathy toward the act" and "far from opposing the measure, the leading papers seemed actually to lead the movement in behalf of its speedy enactment."[

And then there is the Sedition and Alien Act of 1798.

The Sedition Act (officially An Act in Addition to the Act Entitled "An Act for the Punishment of Certain Crimes against the United States"; ch. 74, 1 Stat. 596) made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or certain officials. It was enacted July 14, 1798, with an expiration date of March 3, 1801 (the day before Adams' presidential term was to end).

Thomas Jefferson, upon assuming the Presidency, pardoned those still serving sentences under the Sedition Act,[18] though he also used the acts to prosecute several of his own critics before the acts expired.

 An American forefather abusing his power? One of the people he used it against was the reporter that wrote the story of Jefferson fathering an illegitimate child by a slave which turned out to be true.


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:05 | 2718832 KK Tipton
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"An American forefather abusing his power?"


They. Were. Not. Good. People.

Francis Bacon (card carrying member of multiple secret societies) had a very wild, ambitious scheme.
The funniest part was the hijacking of Christianity (King James bible etc) from the Roman Catholics.
Not that they were any good either.

We are still living in the fallout from his (and his collaborators) little Mayflower experiment.
The whole "We know what's best for you" deal.

Jackoffs. Wonder if they knew it would lead to perpetual world wars.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 03:24 | 2719897 AnAnonymous
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We are still living in the fallout from his (and his collaborators) little Mayflower experiment.
The whole "We know what's best for you" deal.


'Americanism' is the big deal. Nothing else.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:22 | 2718858 Red Heeler
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"One of the people he used it against was the reporter that wrote the story of Jefferson fathering an illegitimate child by a slave which turned out to be true."

You refer, no doubt, to Sally Hemings.

Not true, sir.

"If he ever noticed her or remembered her at all, Sally had been only ten years old when Jefferson last visited Monticello hurriedly in 1784 to pack James Hemings off to France with him. She was only eight when Jefferson had last resided at Monticello and was mourning his wife's death. Unless Brodie [Fawn M. Brodie, author of: Thomas Jefferson: An Intimate History] was suggesting that Jefferson consoled himself by having an affair with an eight-year-old child, the whole chain of suppositions is preposterous." - Thomas Jefferson, A Life, by Willard Sterne Randall, page 476 

In my opinion the relatively recent MSM attacks against the author of our Declaration of Independence are designed to put doubts in the minds of the American People about the quality and strength of not only the author of the document but to sully the document itself. Shame on them and shame on you.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 18:42 | 2718972 Rick64
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She was born in 1773.

In 1787 Sally Hemings at the age of 14 was chosen to accompany Mary (Polly), the youngest daughter of Jefferson, to Paris to rejoin her father; the widower was serving as the US Minister to France. She spent two years there.

Then there is the DNA evidence.

In January 2000, the Thomas Jefferson Memorial Foundation accepted the conclusion, supported by Foster’s DNA evidence, that Jefferson and Hemings were sexual partners, and that they had between one and six children together between 1790 and 1808.

 But more important than this issue is ;

Thomas Jefferson, impressed with Callender's attack on Hamilton, and eager to create a counterforce to the Federalist press,[10] sought to use Callendar's talents against John Adams. Subsequent to meeting him in Philadelphia, Jefferson financially supported Callender and provided feedback on early proofs of Callender's anti-Federalist pamphlet The Prospect Before Us

With his career and his social ambitions thwarted, Callender returned to newspaper work, as editor of a Federalist newspaper, the Richmond Recorder. In a series of articles attacking corruption on all sides, Callender targeted Jefferson, revealing that Jefferson had funded his pamphleteering. After denials were issued, he published Jefferson's letters to him to prove the relationship.

So Jefferson bought a journalist. The point I am making is that politicians were no less corrupt than they are today. They said and wrote a lot of good things, but that doesn't mean they adhered to it. They passed laws and used those laws against their adversaries even when it wasn't justified. They abused their power and weren't the glorified people we make them out to be. You won't read about it in our history books.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 19:01 | 2719048 Red Heeler
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I can't copy the entirety of the literature concerning Sally Hemings and the muckrakers, past and present, who perpetuate this innuendo. But if you will take the time to research the material you will find that all of the evidence is circumstantial.

DNA evidence in this matter is inconclusive to the extreme. All it reveals is that one descendant of Sally Heming's children carries Jefferson genetic markers. Any Jefferson, and there are many, could be responsible. Or no Jefferson could be responsible. That's the problem with DNA evidence 200 years after the fact.

Certainly, Jefferson was a man with faults. But he deserves better than he's getting these days by the likes of you.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 19:36 | 2719089 Rick64
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I will accept the fact that the DNA evidence in itself is not conclusive proof, but there is plenty of cicumstantial evidence as you have stated. Also the author you quoted seems to be way off on her age. She was in Paris during his time as a diplomat in Paris and her age when she arrived was 14 (she stayed 2 yrs.). 

During her lifetime Martha Jefferson bore seven children. Her son John, born during her first marriage, died at the age of three the summer before she married Jefferson. Of the six children born during her ten year marriage with Jefferson, only two daughters, Martha and Mary, would live to adulthood.

 So I would conclude that it wasn't any of Jefferson's offspring that had a relationship with Sally Hemmings.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 19:54 | 2719157 Red Heeler
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You forgot about Jefferson's nephew.

But enough about Jefferson. Let's explore the circumstantial evidence that you kicked a puppy.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 21:10 | 2719334 Rick64
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Three Carr male descendants of Peter and Samuel Carr, the nephews in question, were tested. The results showed a consensus Carr haplotype for the male line. It was conclusively different from that of the Hemings descendant and the Jefferson male line. Foster said, "The simplest and most probable explanations for our molecular findings are that Thomas Jefferson, rather than one of the Carr brothers, was the father of Eston Hemings Jefferson.

Let's explore the circumstantial evidence that you kicked a puppy.

Ok, but just because you found that puppy's blood and hair on my shoe doesn't mean I kicked it.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 19:10 | 2719037 Rick64
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 I have stated that Thomas Jefferson used the Aliens and Sedition Act against James Callender (journalist), but this is incorrect. . At the time James Callender and Thomas Jefferson were on friendly terms. He pardoned him. He did however use it against his enemies before it expired.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 03:29 | 2719899 AnAnonymous
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In my opinion the relatively recent MSM attacks against the author of our Declaration of Independence are designed to put doubts in the minds of the American People about the quality and strength of not only the author of the document but to sully the document itself. Shame on them and shame on you.

How could that be possible?

If indeed, the 'American' public was receptive to this kind of "attacks", it would be known by centuries.

Jefferson, among other things, kept slaves. Which is enough to put his credibility where it belongs.

That is the reverse. That is because 'Americans' are full of personality cultists that this kind of revelations can be done. Noone cares and 'Americans' will invent rationalization to kick the can.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:35 | 2718319 Dr Benway
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Or the canard in the coalmine, since free speech only seems to apply if you have nothing controversial to say

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 18:06 | 2718944 Temporalist
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Speaking of protest:

Landings, protests stoke Japan-China islands dispute

"In several Chinese cities, thousands took to the streets, including in Shenzhen where small groups overturned Japanese cars and shouted slogans denouncing Japan's claim over the islands, in footage carried by Hong Kong's Cable Television."

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 01:31 | 2719829 Seer
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Let's see... Japan is clearly on the down and out and China is on the up, it not up and [then] out.  Japan fucked China pretty good [Nanking Massacre].  Karma brewing?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:20 | 2718265 john39
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all your thoughts are belong to us.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:32 | 2718311 1100-TACTICAL-12
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There ain't enough riot gear in the world. When the SHTF...

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:10 | 2718451 francis_sawyer
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They're trying their best though...


U.S. Troops To Get New Headgear For “Homeland Security Operations”

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:12 | 2718461 monoloco
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They won't need riot gear, they'll take care of everything remotely with drones.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:40 | 2718774 francis_sawyer
Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:14 | 2718468 ejmoosa
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You, your thoughts, and what you produce belong to US. 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:23 | 2718274's picture

The picture of severe and guaranteed coming events is lost in the collective trance.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:22 | 2718492 francis_sawyer
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What's worse is that you WORSHIP it in plain sight...


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:31 | 2718641 UGrev
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Hory fawking sheet!! You know, well.. you don't know, but I'll tell you so that you do know... I didn't watch the olympics, save a few highlights from the jujitsu matches. I didn't watch the opening and I certainly didn't watch the closing. I am certainly not an alien lizard type of person, but even I can see the symbology as clear as fucking day. That's probably some of the most "in your face" I've seen to date. 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:46 | 2718782 francis_sawyer
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That's just the tip of the [pyramid] ~ so to speak


(in all it's glory)

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:25 | 2718279 Little John
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Get ready boys, I expect ‘fore too long the rodeo is gonna kick off.

Texas will be free!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 01:35 | 2719833 Seer
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"Texas will be free!"

Um, well... have you noticed what's happened to all other locations that have oil that don't wish to "share?"

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:28 | 2718288 Debeachesand Je...
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Your new DHS Gulag is open for business.

As that old Eagles song "Hotel California" "you can check out but you can never leave".

The question is: Who in America will be the next Alexander Solzhenitsyn?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:35 | 2718323 Gully Foyle
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Debeachesand Je...

"The question is: Who in America will be the next Alexander Solzhenitsyn?"

Leonard Peltier.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:11 | 2718457 francis_sawyer
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Jerry Springer

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 01:44 | 2719842 Uncle Remus
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You know, there might be more to that than is evident on the face of it.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:12 | 2718606 GoingLoonie
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By the way there is a Hotel California, in Quepos, Equador-owned and run by a female that is no longer a US citizen.  Great Place!  I highly recommend everyone give her your business.  I even bought the coffee mugs!

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:28 | 2718290 Translator
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Only idiots have a Facebook account with their real name on it. ........Idiots!



Just like only idiots bought Facebook stock or voted for Obama.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:39 | 2718334 Bay of Pigs
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Really? I have one. Should I worry and live in fear because of fucking FarceBerg?

I have done nothing wrong and have broken no laws and I post ZH articles there all the time. How else are people going to wake up? 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:05 | 2718435 Rick Masters
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Exactly. Plus, the article is a little short on what he is charged with and where he is being held. His FB freinds aren't sounding very suprised at his arrest or crying illegal detention either. Which, leads me to thin maybe he did something that has nothing to do with FB, like writing threatening letters to former generals, with specific threats. I don't know. But this article could come straight of MSM cause its short on any facts and is just speculation. Give me facts or give me another article with some. I guess Tyler is running short on good news, it is Sunday.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:15 | 2718473's picture

It's the government which has not been forthcoming with the facts.


The Chesterfield PD told us that the situation "was an FBI matter and we were just there to assist them" so it could not provide us with an official reason why Raub was detained.

Raub's mother said that an FBI agent told her Raub was "arrested by the Chesterfield police department" because he "assaulted an officer and resisted arrest," then asked her if Raub "was having any issues relating to people" and told her that "the threats he was making were terrorist in nature."

When asked the Chesterfield PD said Raub has not been charged with resisting arrest and assaulting an officer.

The FBI and Secret Service will not be available for comment until Monday morning.

Read more:
Mon, 08/20/2012 - 01:38 | 2719835 Seer
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"His FB freinds aren't sounding very suprised at his arrest or crying illegal detention either."

That's some mighty fine logic there, NOT!

Perhaps they want to distance themselves so that they themselves don't get disappeared?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:45 | 2718357 Ray1968
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Real name or not, they can find you with two clicks of the mouse. Aliases do not hide you.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:13 | 2718467 francis_sawyer
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Better stay away from Disneyland too...


The new totalitarianism of surveillance technology

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 18:34 | 2718996 ZeroAvatar
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There were helicopters circling the entire Sturgis Rally in South Dakota.  A bouncer told me it was FBI, using facial recognition technology.


(Hells Angels had a meeting there 2 weeks prior).

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 01:46 | 2719843 Uncle Remus
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I heard it was nipple recognition technology, BWTFDIK.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:30 | 2718300 El
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I'm glad to see this posted here at the widely read ZH.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:34 | 2718317 bank guy in Brussels
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First they came for the Facebook posters

And I said nothing because I was not on Facebook ...

- - -

The above humour posted with deep respect for the plight of Marine Brandon Raub and other Americans having their freedom of speech banned ... apparently they are many, because US judges ask Google to 'erase' the victims once their freedom of speech is banned.

Brandon Raub was arrested in Richmond, Virginia, where our political refugee in Brussels from the US was also living, when they banned his freedom of speech and threatened to kill him ...

Our Brussels exile from the US was able to escape out of America alive before they killed him, he slipped over the Canadian border at Niagara Falls and got on a plane out of North America ... which is perhaps why now, they move instantly to arrest and jail a victim in the USA, instant of just banning his freedom of speech.

Our Belgian refugee documents how local policemen showed up at his door with legal papers, and a few minutes later, a US Federal Judge in Richmond, was on the telephone to him, telling him that his freedom to speak and talk to the media was instantly banned, after an 'emergency' banning of speech request made by a George Bush contributor ...a banning of speech with 'No F*cking Appeal' according to 'Judge Robert Payne is My Name, Federal Bribery is My Game'.

Shortly afterwards they threatened to kill our Brussels exile, and he couldn't say anything about the threats of course, because his freedom to speak was banned ... And now Google blocks all of this refugee's websites, because Google wants favours from American judges ... US federal judges who refuse to answer any court appeals about the illegal banning of freedom of speech:

Live Photo: Google Inc. Caught Censoring EU Search Results on US court corruption (for USA - CIA)
Google Internet Censorship - Censure d'Internet par Google - Internet censuur door Google

Some of our Brussels refugee's journalism from his websites blocked by the CIA - Google criminals:

Some articles on US court corruption censored by the CIA's Google Inc., while the author is slandered with hoaxes  the CIA's Wikipedia, and the author is blocked by Google Inc. from replying ...:

Foreign Companies Face Risk of US Court Corruption:
Doing Business in the Big Bribery Nation

America's Corrupt Legal System -
A Danger to Visitors, Travellers as Well as USA Residents

Americans Murdering Their Judges, and the US Crisis of Judicial Corruption

Current case: Wikipedia and Google in the attack on Europe, trying to murder European citizens criticising the USA:
Report to the EU Parliament and the Commission of the European Union
Anti-Competition Crimes of EU Internet Monopoly Google Inc. (with CIA) and Wikipedia (with CIA), to Erase EU Journalism, to Slander and Murder EU - Polish Citizen, Writer, Journalist,  Non-Zionist Jew

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:44 | 2718353 disabledvet
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I thought they were letting everyone out of prison these days. "Only the good people get arrested now. The bad one's go free"? Sounds like prison is a better place if that's the rule now...

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:51 | 2718382 otto skorzeny
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they'll give a clown like G-Rod 13 years and Corzine starts a new hedge fund. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:55 | 2718378 lakecity55
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Damning Indictment:

Related. I was reading up on the "encyclopedia" site, Wikipedia, when I found this quote by the zionist communist czar (my opinion), Cass Sunstein. It relates to suppression of free speech. Here is the quote, referring to what a government can do about "conspiracy" (free speech of same implied) theorists:


"...In a paper written in 2008, Cass Sunstein, legal scholar, and Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote of appropriate government responses to conspiracy theories. In the paper he stated:

What can government do about conspiracy theories? Among the things it can do, what should it do? We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help. Each instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions. However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5)."
Notice nowhere in his quote does he say the government should simply respond to its citizens with the Truth.
These bastards convict themselves with their own words. They must be eliminated from the offices of a representative Republic.
Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:19 | 2718483 Rick Masters
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Hey Lakecity, do you realize you want to "eliminate" which i assume to mean kill or get rid of, someone who wrote an article on suprrssing conspiracy theories. Wouldn't that be suprressing free speech? And isn't that the very thing you say you want to stop This isn't gov't policy either, it's part of a paper he co-wrote for academic purposes. Either way it's hypocritical. Give me all the thumbs down ya want, don't care, but I just point out the obvious. I don't like hypocrisy.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 18:21 | 2718804 lakecity55
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Yes, your point is taken;  stating his opinion is fine.

However, to be in an unelected position of immense power in an administration is against US traditions. To have that attitude against Truth is Totalitarian in an unelected position.


Also, please do not Assume anything.

There is an old saying that goes with that. You know it.

We have elections to dump asshats.

You appear to meet the (4) article in his paper.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:18 | 2718855 Terminus C
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I think you missed his point.  What I got was:

Lying, cheating, murderous bastards have taken hold of the reigns of power and need to be removed so that more scrupulous people can take those offices.  Nowhere did he say we needed to kill them, though I can see how you could make that assumption, just that they needed to be removed.  Now... removing sociopaths... typically requires force.  The problem with using force to remove sociopaths, is that non sociopathic people tend not to use violence, which means that all you end up with is a new set of sociopaths in the halls of power, defeating the purpose of the revolution.

It is an interesting conundrum for those who promote free speech.  What to do with those who not only say they want to limit free speech, but also actively attempt to suppress other's rights to speak freely.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:14 | 2718711 Overfed
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I wonder if they'll come kick my door in for saying that Cass Sunstein deserves a hard kick in the nuts.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:38 | 2718767 CompassionateFascist
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Cass Sunstein and all other current/former members of the Zionist Occupation Government ought to be tried for High Treason. When convicted, they should be executed. This is, of course, not going to happen so long as ZOG rules. So ZOG will have to be removed.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:36 | 2718329 LoneStarHog
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Government Patriotism Campaign, Then and Now:

Patriotism 1941:  Buy War Bonds

Patriotism 2012:  Buy Facebook

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:42 | 2718347 Colonel
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ZH Patriotism 2012: Short the shit out of Farcebook.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:58 | 2718403 malikai
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World Patriotism 2032: Buy Food.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:43 | 2718336 Ray1968
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Just as a side-bar, you don't need to be "read your rights" upon arrest. You only need to be read your rights before official questioning after you've been arrested. If you've incriminated yourself before arrest, that's your fault.

Thing to remember...don't ever talk to the police voluntarily. 

If I was him the ONLY thing I would have said when they showed up was "I was excercising my constitutional right to free speech." Period, end of statement.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:46 | 2718366 Clint Liquor
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If I was him the ONLY thing I would have said when they showed up was "I was excercising my constitutional right to free speech." Period, end of statement.

Agreed, but only if he added a 'so fuck you' to the end of it.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:48 | 2718370 disabledvet
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uh oh. "and what's the legal protection for someone just commenting on someone else's web site"? NONE???!!!!

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:54 | 2718383 LoneStarHog
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Au Contraire! The United States Supreme Court in the case of Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966), established an irrebuttable presumption that a statement is involuntary if made during a custodial interrogation without the "Miranda Warnings" given. Basically, this means that if a person is in custody and questioned without being given the warnings, everything the person says will be inadmissible in court. 

  For the purposes of the Miranda warnings advisory, "custody" is an arrest or when freedom is significantly deprived to be equivalent to an arrest. To clarify this further, "custody" will include a person that is under arrest for a crime, a person handcuffed for officer safety, a person placed in the back of the police car, or any other custody type treatment.  "Interrogation" is the formal and systematic questioning of a person to elicit incriminating statements of his/her criminal activity.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:01 | 2718822 CH1
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Honestly, I don't give a shit what a judge said. I care about right and wrong.

Government agents are moral inferiors.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:11 | 2718456 RebelandSolo
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In that case it would seem logical to blurt out a confession and details of your guilt right after your arrest and before being read your Miranda rights since the confession could not then be used in court

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:14 | 2718470 Ray1968
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That too has been tested. Anything voluntarily given is admissable. 

The next phrase to remember: I want a lawyer.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:38 | 2718534 LoneStarHog
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Unless you are a mentally handicapped child with Autism and you are saying, "I want my momma".  Then the F__KING THUGS will beat and tazer you, even with neighbors explaining the child's handicap.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:30 | 2718876 Big Corked Boots
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The video is shocking, incriminating, and quite common.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:48 | 2719606 Bringin It
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Re. Anything voluntarily given is admissable.

No it is not.  Go read again.  Anything said before hearing the Miranda rights is inadmissable.

Are you intentionally sowing confusion?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:47 | 2718354 ArrestBobRubin
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This is what my Red Alert was about on Friday. Nice of the Durdens to catch up...

1. Get off Farcebook immediately: DELETE

2. If you stay on, realize who runs it, don't give THEM anything to hang you with. You could be next.

If you're on FB, you've already created your own in-depth personality profile for them, willingly and free of charge.

Are you done being a MORON yet?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:01 | 2718415 zilverreiger
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bilderberg scum like Thiel, who also backed Ron Paul

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:03 | 2718424 RebelandSolo
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Sadly the young are not being taught about these dangers as they willingly with a smile on their face list seemingly every minute detail of themselves. Those who youtube their recent crime sprees get bonus Darwinian points.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:05 | 2718433 Bay of Pigs
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Totally respect your opinion Bob, But I'm not deleting my account. In fact I'm posting this ZH article on it. They can ban me if they want. I really don't care, as we're way beyond "privacy" issues now. Your cell phone is easily tracked. There is nowhere to hide, so I'm not hiding. 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:32 | 2718524 ArrestBobRubin
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I respect your decision BoP, just don't hand them the rope with which to hang you!

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:42 | 2718546 LoneStarHog
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Warren Pollock & Ann Barnhardt re: Facebook>

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:58 | 2719627 Bringin It
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B of P - There's at least two types of information gathering going on here.  One is focused on the individual.  The other builds information into aggregates to extrapolate.  By participating in FB you are [inadvertantly] improving the algos.  

To some extent, the same is true for all WWW interaction, but for now, FB is most useful because of all the context info that all the muppets have willingly provided. 


Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:03 | 2720521 tip e. canoe
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"By participating in FB you are [inadvertantly] improving the algos"


of course, by participating in ZH, we are also improving algos, just algos that are property of another "agency".

what would be interesting to know is where the quantitative (# of likes/dislikes, up/down votes) and the qualitative (trigger words/phrases) meet and how they relate to each other within the algorithms, both on an individual and collective level.

i suppose each system has its own proprietary code, but it might be wise for everyone to understand the basics...kinda like the lab rats realizing the nature of the experiment that they are being subjected to...

plato's parable of the cave comes to mind.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:46 | 2718361 Seasmoke
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dont't speak............ JUST DO !

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:55 | 2718394 RebelandSolo
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Good point. I think my old Nike shirt I wore to the gym said something like that. 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:02 | 2718364 etresoi
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Unfortunately, making him disappear may be legal.  I do not know what this man did in the military but for certain job descriptions, the military requires one to sign a waiver of one's rights under habeus corpus. Many are unaware of what this means and many more do not think of it, upon discharge or retirement.

I write from first hand experience.  I sued for the restoration of my habeus corpus rights, changed my citizenship to that of a government , which would protect me and reside in a country, which has never had an extradition treaty with the fascist states.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:07 | 2718837 CH1
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Unfortunately, making him disappear may be legal.

What's legal is ANYTHING THEY WANT.

"The law" is made fresh daily by politician-whores. We all know they are liars and thieves... and it is they who mint "the law."

And we should obey this shit why?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:49 | 2718371 gnomon
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Then:  Novel wriiten in which President Bush is assassinated, widely applauded and/or nothing wrong with that.  Author receives no retribution.


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:24 | 2718503 Rick Masters
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Uh, the difference is the consitution which protects literary speech. How people like you dissolve everything into Right v. Left is truly asstounding. There is a diffence between a novel and an actual threat. Or do you want to ban novels? Not seeing where you're going with this. The fact is what did the guy do to get arrested. Before you break you're keyboard, maybe you should find out.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:50 | 2718375 otto skorzeny
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check out this Gary Harrington guy that was jailed in Oregon for building resevoirs on his land to collect rainwater. sign of things to come?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:29 | 2718514 Rick Masters
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The whole west coast has a major water issue coming since LA steals water from N. Cali/Oregon. I live in PA and know this. The gov't has the right to have zoning laws. Don't they. Maybe you believe they don't and you're an anarchist and that's fine. I used to be one--when I was 18....12 years ago. But somehow, I think all this faux outrage disspaears if Obama isn't elected and all you malcontents will be content. Well I wasn't when Bush was in office and I'm still not and I want be if Obama isn't President. That's the difference between me and most people on this board. I'm for real. Most on this board now are not like the origianl cast of ZHers, you're just Johnny-come-latley pissed off sore losers who just want a Republican everything and then it will rain skittles and pussycats.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:49 | 2718794 Robot Traders Mom
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Completely disagree.


Although ZH has become borderline-mainstream over the last year or so, it still primarily attracts 'people that get it.' If we lived in a world that the Founding Fathers imagined, none of us would be here because there would be little/no need for it. ZH gives us a chance stay informed with like-minded people...

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:51 | 2718798 Robot Traders Mom
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But you are exactly right about water.


Water rights will be the 21st century version of mineral rights.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 21:13 | 2719344 gnomon
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You got it wrong, again!  Everything is so fucked up now that I could lynch them all.  Were done for.  I don't want this country to wimp out even though were done for.  And putting Obummer back in so we could beg for a few more welfare checks while he caters to his zoo of malcontents and crony capitalists until the country burns would be the most spineless, disgusting thing that our citizenry could do.

Let's die fighting, not on our bellies letting them stick one up our backside!!!  

(And they are aching to do it you know. DHS is riding dirty.  Send that butch back to her tool shed in Arizona).

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:42 | 2718545 CunnyFunt
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Yes, how dare he collect rainwater!

This is all beyond a joke now. All outliers are to be incorporated into the system. If your property is not mortgaged, then you receive no tax benefits. If you generate your own electricity, then you are guilty of operating an illegal power plant. If you don't patronize the medical establishment, then you must be penalized for not supporting the system. We are past the point of no return.

In my state, there is a requirement to provide GPS coordinates for drilled wells on private property. In the future, I expect to be levied a fee based on the well's replenishment rate. 20 GPM is just not fair to the golf course and casino owners in Nevada.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 09:19 | 2726873 WillyGroper
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Didn't he dam up a creek? I think they'll even arrest beavers for that. 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:50 | 2718379 RebelandSolo
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Understandable that there has to be some limits on free speech in the military for sake of cohesion although the fine line is unclear. More troublesome are abuses by those in positions of power with seeming impunity. From financial terrorists to congressman and politicians of all stripes who commit treason or otherwise harm the country with little more then a slap on their wrist while retaining their pensions and ill gotten gains has long shown the breakdown of virtue, integrity and moral understandings in our republic. It will take a great deal of skin being put into the game by those of good character such as Gary Stein to slowly turn this around. And it will not be without serious cost.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:55 | 2718384 bob_dabolina
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This country is so fucked.

When I read stuff like this it makes me feel like a character in one of Orwell's dystopian societies.

Drones spying on US citizens, 5 year olds being molested at the airport, getting arrested for speaking out against the government, the Utah data center that records every keystroke sent, secret military prisons sprinkled around the world, etc etc etc.

Meanwhile Obama has ordered drone strikes that have killed civilians (women and children).  A murderer won the Nobel peace prize, how insane is that?

We lead the world in incarcerated citizens. Yes, we have more citizens sitting in cages than any other country on this planet. Free country my ass.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:55 | 2718393 Excursionist
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Lots of shrill commentary here based on incomplete information and a one-sided perspective from a relative calling in to a radio show.

If the ex-marine's posts crossed the First Amendment line (e.g., threats of imminent violence), then he's on the receiving end of just desserts.

If the ex-marine's posts did not cross the line, then welcome to Amerika.

Given the manpower thrown at his arrest, detainment or whatever, my guess it was the former scenario.  And if true, then government's response was appropriate.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:27 | 2718868 Robot Traders Mom
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If the ex-marine's posts crossed the First Amendment line (e.g., threats of imminent violence), then he's on the receiving end of just desserts.


Nobody should be on the receiving end of indefinite detention no matter what they say. The backbone of the Constitution is our right to due process, a right we no longer evidently have.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 00:41 | 2719788 Excursionist
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He was arrested this weekend, and he, umm, will appear in front of a judge Monday morning.  In the spirit of my prior comment, which (surprise! surprise!) got trashed, I encourage you to ascertain all the facts before arriving at a conclusion.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 04:08 | 2719916 Dr Benway
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So cops decide to put you in a cell over the weekend, based on their own judgment, because of facebook posts that are no worse than what most morons post on ZH? Like quoting angry rap lyrics type shit.


You would be OK with that? No, seriously, would you? Or are you only OK when it happens to someone else?

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:15 | 2732603 Excursionist
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<sigh> Again.  Let's try this from the top.  If the ex-marine crossed the First Amendment line, then his incarceration is warranted.  If the judge deems or deemed him not to have crossed the line, then he should be released.

Your sixth grade philosophy (no seriously, are you in the sixth grade?) suggests incarceration should occur only after a crime has been committed.  Here's a hypothetical:  Someone holds a loaded gun to your head and threatens your life... should the cop 10 ft. away stand idly by and watch until the situation resolves itself one way or another?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:38 | 2788403 Joseph Jones
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Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:39 | 2788404 Joseph Jones
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I missed the part about a gun in the original story.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:56 | 2718398 Arnold Ziffel
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Massive Debt + Massive unemployment + Massive Military spending ...reminds me of Germany right before WWII.

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