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Guest Post: Former Marine Arrested For Patriotic Posts On Facebook
Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market
Former Marine Arrested For Patriotic Posts On Facebook
First the establishment started going after current serving military men for their outspoken political views on Facebook and other web venues, men like Marine Sergeant Gary Stein. Now, it seems the government is going after veterans as well. This is the classic pattern of a burgeoning totalitarian state; attack a small group first (outspoken serving military) which the public ignores because it affects them little personally, then slowly expand out to eventually include everyone else. To all those insipid bottom feeders out there who refused to defend Gary Stein's right to free speech, here is what you have wrought. Because of your ignorance, the government has been able to set a social precedent which they now plan to apply to a whole new group of people, starting with former Marine Brandon Raub. The common statist slave will give the typical coward's response, which would sound a little something like this:
"...When are people going to learn that Facebook isn't private? You would have to be stupid to express such views where everyone can see..."
"They didn't arrest him, they just 'detained' him..."
"He's former military and should be 'ashamed' of his comments against the government., blah blah blah, etc..."
The bottom line is, the 1st Amendment is NOT conditional. ALL speech must be protected, no matter who you are, or where you happen to be speaking. Just because our current criminal government decides 1st Amendment protections do not apply to Facebook does not mean they have the authority to make such distinctions. In fact, the Constitution explicitly outlines how they are restricted from making such distinctions. If a government entity, ANY government entity, attempts to violate Constitutional restrictions, it must be removed by any means necessary.
Take note that the FBI used the accusation of "terrorist threats" by Brandon Raub as an excuse for the arrest even though there is no indication that any actual threats were present on his Facebook page..
(Brandon's comments included observations that 9-11 was done by the government (even going to such length, and an interestingly detailed thesis, of providing evidence to augment this), the War on Terror is a lie, Americans are killing innocent people in the ME, the current federal banking system is corrupt and unfeasible to Americans, and that the George Bush's family rapes little children)
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august192012/marine-fakcebook-arrest-t.php
I would say that all of these claims have enough circumstantial evidence behind them to warrant a serious independent investigation, and even if they didn't, there is no law against "conspiracy theory", at least not yet...
The police and FBI also failed to read Raub his Miranda Rights. Could this be one of the first public instances of the enforcement of NDAA detainment provisions against a U.S. citizen as a so called "domestic terrorist"? You know, those detainment provisions that Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs alike claim "don't exist"?
My question for the statist slaves is, how soon will it be before they get to you? Do you really believe your complacency and apathy will save you? Has that kind of philosophy saved any slave under any other tyranny of the past? This is NOT a free country anymore, and if we do not act to defend each individual who suffers under the weight of bureaucratic oppression, then everyone will lose everything. It is time to pick a side.
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Debtland uber alles.
It should remind you even more of Britain, France, America, and Russia right before WW II: the Communist-Capitalist Encirclement Powers that actually arranged the World War. Hitler's Germany had little debt, full employment, and - unlike the Encirclement Powers who did so immediately - did not go over to a full War Economy until 1944.
Your theory would be a good one but...
The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allied prior to the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. There was no encirclement until Hitler opened up a second front.
As for Germany's low debt and unemployment, you leave out that his economy was based on slave labour and confiscation. All kleptocrat economies appear to do well when they first start out because there is a lot of low hanging fruit to steal.
There are a lot of problems with this world but idealizing a fascist state will not help, in fact, you may just get your wish because extreme fascisim is where we are headed.
"The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allied prior to the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. There was no encirclement until Hitler opened up a second front."
Not exactly. Suvorov makes an excellent argument that Stalin was close to invading Germany first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy#Suvorov.2C_.22Icebreaker.22.2C_and_the_1980s
"Stalin was close to invading Germany first." ??? Yeah, sure. That's why Stalin kept supplying Hitler with trainloads of resources, including grains and oil.
What better time to take on the Nazis, than when they were shaking hands over the spoils at Brest-Litvosk when the 2 slimy dictators invaded Poland.
The argument is thin gruel at best.
Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was 1918, you tard.
By summer of 1941, Germany had invaded the Middle East, Western Europe, Southern Europe and Northern Europe. It then proceeded to amass millions of men and material on Soviet western borders while the Empire of Japan amassed its Kwantung Army on its eastern borders.
You don't thing that Soviet military would draw up plans for pre-emptive attack on Germany? But, they could never execute it because of the threat of Japanese attack.
CompassionateFascist
Your comprehension of Nazi Finance, confiscation and plunder is a little thin.
And the Weimar Republic had nearly completed the Autobahn before Hitler claimed them as his own.
Wrong again, you tard.
"The idea for the construction of the autobahn was first conceived during the days of the Weimar Republic, but the construction was slow, and most projected sections did not progress much beyond the planning stage due to economic problems and a lack of political support.
Just days after the 1933 Nazi takeover, Adolf Hitler enthusiastically embraced an ambitious autobahn construction project and appointed Fritz Todt the Inspector General of German Road Construction. By 1936, 130,000 workers were directly employed in construction, as well as an additional 270,000 in the supply chain for construction equipment, steel, concrete, signage, maintenance equipment, etc. In rural areas new camps to house the workers were built near construction sites.[7] The job creation program aspect was not especially important because full employment was almost reached by 1936. The autobahns were not primarily intended as major infrastructure improvement of special value to the military as often stated because they were of no military value as all major military transports in Germany were done by train to save fuel. The propaganda ministry turned them into a major media event that attracted international attention.[8]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn#History
THE REAL QUESTION IS, WHAT IS HE DOING WITH THAT PUPPY!?!?!?!??'
only terrorists have puppies....
Don't ask.
really... I can't see his thumb... where's his thumb...
No telling.
I had two armed federal agents at more door asking why I asked for the personal addresses of government employees. Just wanted to talk to them and never, ever made a threat. This is much worse than you think.
seems like this administration is crapping in their pants over what may happen in november. funny how they are getting so defensive,like catching someone in a lie! they usually attack when they are busted.
http://libertycrier.com/u-s-constitution/former-marine-arrested-by-fbi-f...
i'm not surprised he was questioned.
THE POLITICS OF OBEDIENCE
Poor, wretched, and stupid peoples, nations determined on your own misfortune and blind to your own good! You let yourselves be deprived before your own eyes of the best part of your revenues, your fields are plundered, your homes robbed, your family heirlooms taken away. You live in such a way that you cannot claim a single thing as your own; and it would seem that you consider yourselves lucky to be loaned your property, your families, and your very lives.
ÉTIENNE DE LA BOÉTIE (1553)
He needs to watch out. A sex crime allegation is on its way.
That was a pretty nasty glitch in that dudes matrix.
I understand perfectly that money talks and bullshit walks, but I find it more than a little ironic that while I read about this poor shlep, I'm also inundated with Chalky Soetero reelection ads on ZH. Hey Gary, how's that Hopey Changey bullshit workin' for ya? America is dead; long live Amerika.
http://vegasxau.blogspot.com
Does ZH have advertiements? I use adblock.
What gives me hope is that there are a substantial amount of people within the military who seem to know what's going on and aren't happy about it.
You know I have thought a lot about that, my son is currently getting shot at in Afgahanistan, my nephew served in Helmend (sp) province and my other nephew was a marine fighitng in Anbar. I would not be so sure about that. There is no one single person doing this. I think we all need to watch a Bugs Life just one more time.
Motherfucking Nazi's.
Just not the German kind. Or hadn't you noticed?
whats going to happen to facebooks advert revenue stream after they arrest half the people who use it?
more importantly, what will happen to the stock price?
sarcasm is still legal, right?
FaceBook is awesome...Assange is a terrorist...I support the NDAA...i like drones...god save the queen...wait is that eight or wrong?...nothing to see here...
By arresting this man, the government has officially validated his facebook posts.
Sorry but this guy made himself out to be a nutbag. There are much more effective ways to articulate yourself than to post an update every hour speaking of revolution. I'm not agreeing with him being arrested, however.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
"Every generation needs a new revolution"
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
"Prudence ... will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."Thomas Jefferson - Founding father, author of the Declaration Of Independence, 1st Secretary Of State, 2nd Vice President, 3rd President, and apparent nutbag.
No doubt on the "No Fly" list...
American Thomas Jefferson, praying his slaves to not overhear his propaganda drivel, aimed at rationalizing his 'American' conduct...
>>>>>>>>There are much more effective ways to articulate yourself than to post an update every hour speaking of revolution.
Hmmmmm, wonder what they'd do to John Lennon 2day? Nixon was bad enuf.
So, the redneck sheeple are starting to wake up after 11 years?
Swordfish
Stanley Jobson: War? Who are we at war with?
Gabriel Shear: Anyone who impinges on America's freedom. Terrorist states, Stanley. Someone must bring their war to them. They bomb a church, we bomb 10. They hijack a plane, we take out an airport. They execute American tourist, we tactically nuke an entire city. Our job is to make terrorism so horrific that is becomes unthinkable to attack Americans
Patriotism Does Not Have a 4 Year Shelf Life
http://www.hark.com/clips/sqgjznzdtd-patriotism-does-not-have-a-4-year-s...
one more reason to quit f'ing facebook; get the F out of zuker-sucker-f'ing-book...same goes with linkedin...just quit that too, GET THE F OUT OF "SOCIAL" networks,....nothing social about them.
A better social network, with more individual control over their data and privacy should have already been created by now. As an expert computer programmer, I am getting a little bit tired of waiting for someone else to create it.
The data should live in the cloud and probably use anonymous P2P technologies such as Tor and/or MUTE by default (no hassles for end users).
It's already been done. The problem however, is secure deployment without endangering the system operators. When code is provably strong, flesh is consigned to be the weakest link.
Perhaps a Tor hidden service could be used to hide the operators:
https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-hidden-service.html.en
To further strengthen the anonymity of the injection point, a MUTE network could be used in front of the Tor injection point.
One could consider running the service from an identity in Ecuador.
daily tinfoil -- the short strange & sordid history of diaspora
https://joindiaspora.com/
(from the horse's mouth, so best to read between lines & come to your own conclusions)
http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/14/technology/diaspora_cofounder_died/index...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2011/11/16/ilya-zhitomirskiy-...
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/250225/20111115/diaspora-social-network-...
FB first, then ZH.
Glad I don't live in Russia!
The ones that "terrorizes" me the most are the The guy at the top, the CIA, "Homeland Security" and the secretary of state.
I don't trust either of them.
The Internet is alive with legitimate questions about such things as the perpetrators of 911.
To begin with, the government explanation is so vague, defensive and evidence shy, that only a fool would suggest that no further investigation is needed. The problem is that it became the defining event for the War on Terror and the slaughter of innocents in sovereign countries, in the case of Iraq, with substantial false evidence to support the attack.
Included in the many statements brought forward on 911 is this by Dr. Alan Sabrosky, ex-Director of Strategic Studies at the US Army War College and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research: “It is 100 percent certain that 9-11 was a Mossad operation. Period.”
Does this make him a terrorist by today’s standards?
Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli prime minister, himself said: “We are benefitting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq…these events swung American public opinion in our favor.”
Or are those the words of a terrorist?
Rabbi Dov Zakheim, co-author of the infamous Sept. 2000 PNAC paper with Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses,” advocated another “catastrophic and catalyzing event – like Pearl Harbor” to accelerate the US takeover of the Middle East. Zakheim was Pentagon comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004, when $2.3 trillion was reported missing from the Pentagon. It Zakheim a terrorist?
The BBC published Osama bin Laden’s statement shortly after 911:
“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lies. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle… The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction… This system is totally in control of the America-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. it not uttering a single word… Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that.” http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24697
Cui bono?
Yeah, I remember when that article came out.
That was before the paradigm shift in US Citizen conciousness.
Could these evil beings be....................................................Zionistas?
While this is very disturbing regarding the end of civil liberties, anyone who has been watching current trends, including NDAA and similar events, is not surprised. It is clear what is happening, how, and why. We are Rome and Rome is collapsing for exactly the same reasons.
I suggest reading Bonhoeffer's "Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy" about how Dietrich came to his conclusions about Hitler during WWII. Great morality and revolutionary lessons for today.
Be sure tostudy Sun Tsu and hone your asymmetric skills. Asymmetric opposition cannot be overcome. It refuses to play fair.
As for privacy, I believe most of us understand there is no privacy in most communications today. Therefore, hide things in plain sight. Hide anything important in plain sight.
Yep. Rome was overrun with illegal immigrants "doing work Romans won't do." The currency (silver) was debased, and the Armies were strung out far along the edge of the Empire. Hmmmmm, sounds familiar somehow.....
We go invade other countries because Hillary, the UN et al decide we need to liberate those people from tyranny.
So I ask you all, WHO THE FUCK IS GOING TO SAVE US FROM THE DEATH OF OUR OWN NATION?? Hello, Hillary, you there? hello?
What troops will land on our shores and save us from us??
The same ones that made Amy Goodman wet herself with joy when a live correspondent falsely reported that Venezualan troops landed in Haiti to prevent the overthrow of Aristede.
Amy G. on Democracy Now is the poster child for controlled opposition.
Every fish gets a taste of the worm before getting the hook.
http://capital3x.com/think-tank/weekly-charts-and-analysis-madness/
Charts and weekend analysis
Let's have the contact details for the public servants that have this guy imprisoned and let's all ask them to release this guy.
I've picked too many sides in the past, my emotional puppet strings being pulled without being well informed on the subject matter and so contributed to the mess we have on our hands now. I will reserve judgement on this case until there is better information.
Be prepared friends, the bell tolls for us all. Don,t go in the back of pig cars. Better to be dead than read.
I'd love for them to bring me in for questioning.
I'd try to convert the FBI agents.
Underneath the uniform is an individual capable of rational thought and logic.
Be nice, friendly, and discuss the defense of liberty from an angle they'll understand.
Try to make them allies, not enemies in all encounters.
I would also ask a lot of questions to make THEM defend their rationale.
- I'd love for them to bring me in for questioning.
They took him to a mental hospital. They're probably sticking pins in him right now, or loading up his food and drink.
Bottom line - You won't be convincing anyboby because you won't be having any conversations.
yeah, Goegre Bush's family rapes little children, he-he, that's the ticket. If this nut job shot up some family gathering next month, y'all would be howling about how no even checked out his crazy shit of facebook.
I wouldnt. I don't believe in detecting pre-crime, unless you want a police state.
Bohemian Grove is where you'd want to start...
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http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/newstart/bohemian-grove/
Check out Omaha where the Oracle and Boy's Town co-locate. Some strange suppressed stories there about procuring and pandering, similar to the squashed tangents coming out of Penn State.
Saying that the government is evil and has done evil things is protected speech. Announcing that you are starting a revolution and sharpening your axe to sever heads gets you an interview with the fuzz and a 72 hour psych hold. Why is that so difficult to understand?
They'd better round up Jesse Jackson too then because he's "axe-in" things all the time...
I have a loved one that is suffering from mental illness and I have had to fight like hell to get anybody to pay attention and give her some care. Seems odd that we as a society treat mentally ill people like a nuisance that needs to be kept locked hidden in the basement until one makes some threats against people in power. Make a threat or talk ill of government and or some of its corrupt officials and one gets snappy service. Make threats against loved ones or some neighbour and suddenly the authorities are concerned about patients rights and patient confidentiality and don't even want to discuss getting proper care or help. That is (one thing) what is difficult to understand and just doesn't add up.
Some peoples speech is more protected than other peoples speech.
some are protected like proud peacocks, others are silenced like lost lambs.
some animals are more equal than others
And as well with corporations I should think, which of course would explain some of the campaign donations.
Ron Paul's campaign is run on rEVOLution.
Interesting that they took him to a psychiatric hospital - that doesn't seem like a normal procedure to me. Might it be to suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with the government is mentally ill?
That's all part of the threat. "Mess with us and you will be indefinately detained in a psychiatric ward and pumped full of drugs to cure you."
funny thing happened on the way to the punters pool.
Randy punter romps on public pool table | The Sun |Irish Sun|Irish News
falak pema
Good thing Randy didn't announce his intentions on Faceplant.
Do you really think that this is the first time some nut got a psych hold after announcing he was sharpening his axe to sever heads? I assure you that it is not.
Do you not think NSABerg could not hack his account and post phony "axe" statements?
And why is Alex Jones always peddling Fear and Loathing, istead of telling people to quit feeding the beast?
Could he be a plant?
During the Israeli spring, which went unnoticed by most, an actual guillotine was hauled to the center square. You cannot get any more demonstrative in what your attentinos are than that.
But more importantly, why hasn't Gordon Duff placed an article regarding this young man on his Veteran's today web site? He's quick to inform his readers that his buddies who "shall remain namless" are "onto it" and soon all will be well globally. I read one sentence that basically said arrests were about to occur by some tribunal. Yet .... not a sound from the media.
What is taking place could be baiting people to become outraged, encourage them to "expand" by enticement with daily, no make that hourly articles describing the murders of 9-11 victims, the injustice of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the bankers and their political lemmings, the failing soverignty of every nation (but Iceland).
When a person is in the comfort of their home, they could very well be intoxicated when they express themselves, they could be medicated, someone else could get on their keyboard and have a say.
In this world where the crimes are on the tabl while the criminals are living large without a worry is just crazy.
that was a tactic used by the Soviet government against its undesirable "dissidents".
The latest from The Independent…
Full transcript of Julian Assange's speech outside Ecuador's London embassy
“Can you hear me?
“I am here today because I cannot be there with you today. But thank you for coming. Thank you for your resolve and your generosity of spirit.
“On Wednesday night, after a threat was sent to this embassy and the police descended on this building, you came out in the middle of the night to watch over it and you brought the world’s eyes with you.
“Inside this embassy, after dark, I could hear teams of police swarming up into the building through its internal fire escape. But I knew there would be witnesses. And that is because of you.
“If the UK did not throw away the Vienna conventions the other night, it is because the world was watching. And the world was watching because you were watching.
“So, the next time somebody tells you that it is pointless to defend those rights that we hold dear, remind them of your vigil in the dark before the Embassy of Ecuador.
“Remind them how, in the morning, the sun came up on a different world and a courageous Latin America nation took a stand for justice.
And so, to those brave people. I thank President Correa for the courage he has shown in considering and in granting me political asylum.
“And I also thank the government, and in particular Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino, who upheld the Ecuadorian constitution and its notion of universal rights in their consideration of my asylum. And to the Ecuadorian people for supporting and defending this constitution.
“And I also have a debt of gratitude to the staff of this embassy, whose families live in London and who have shown me the hospitality and kindness despite the threats we all received.
“This Friday, there will be an emergency meeting of the foreign ministers of Latin America in Washington DC to address this very situation.
“And so, I am grateful to those people and governments of Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Columbia, El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Argentina, Peru, Venezuela, and to all other Latin American countries who have come out to defend the right to asylum.
“And to the people of the United States, United Kingdom, Sweden and Australia who have supported me in strength, even when their governments have not. And to those wiser heads in government who are still fighting for justice. Your day will come.
“To the staff, supporters and sources of Wikileaks, whose courage and commitment and loyalty has seen no equal.
“To my family and to my children who have been denied their father. Forgive me, we will be reunited soon.
“As Wikileaks stands under threat, so does the freedom of expression and the health of all our societies. We must use this moment to articulate the choice that is before the government of the United States of America.
“Will it return to and reaffirm the values, the revolutionary values it was founded on, or will it lurch off the precipice dragging us all into a dangerous and oppressive world, in which journalists fall silent under the fear of prosecution and citizens must whisper in the dark?
“I say it must turn back. I ask President Obama to do the right thing. The United States must renounce its witch-hunts against Wikileaks. The United States must dissolve its FBI investigation.
“The United States must vow that it will not seek to prosecute our staff or our supporters. The United States must pledge before the world that it will not pursue journalists for shining a light on the secret crimes of the powerful.
“There must be no more foolish talk about prosecuting any media organisation; be it Wikileaks, or be it the New York Times.
“The US administration’s war on whistleblowers must end.
“Thomas Drake, William Binney and John Kirakou and the other heroic whistleblowers must – they must – be pardoned or compensated for the hardships they have endured as servants of the public record.
“And to the Army Private who remains in a military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, who was found by the United Nations to have endured months of torturous detention in Quantico, Virginia and who has yet – after two years in prison – to see a trial: he must be released.
“Bradley Manning must be released.
“And if Bradley Manning did as he is accused, he is a hero and an example to us all and one of the world’s foremost political prisoners.
“Bradley Manning must be released.
“On Wednesday, Bradley Manning spent his 815th day of detention without trial. The legal maximum is 120 days.
“On Thursday, my friend Nabeel Rajab, President of the Bahrain Human Rights Centre, was sentenced to three years in prison for a tweet. On Friday, a Russian band were sentenced to two years in jail for a political performance.
“There is unity in the oppression. There must be absolute unity and determination in the response.
“Thank you.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/full-transcript-of-julian-assanges-speech-outside-ecuadors-london-embassy-8061466.html
let's face it....no one knows which side of the fence Assange is on. Is he a shill for the elite? Or is he genuine?
I think he's a shill.
You should review what little history is available on this guy before jumping on the merry-go-round.
Maybe, you should follow your own advice.
Maybe he went off the reservation.
If he went off the reservation, where's the promised B of A expose? [as in expos-ay]
Shit Jimmy, you never played poker?
it was a non-event as everything was made public b4 he was to release it.
We don't have to know which side Assange is on behind the scenes. We can support the ideals he is speaking, if they are about constitutional and God given inalienable rights.
My main criticism of Assange, is he thought he could win by reforming governance. Whereas as a libertarian anarchist, I understand that governance is always trending to be a cancer and always ends in a horrific period of fascism. The only solution is for individuals to walk away from governance, and to stop idealizing collective action. Even God (or the Bible) advised this, but the people did not listen.
This is the Iron Law of Political Economics and the natural science of it.
Thank you for printing that. It doesn't matter who Assange is or what his agenda might be. He espouses the most fundamental values upon which this nation was built: free speech, freedom of association, freedom of the press, etc.
His speech deserves protection in the same way the subject of this article deserves to have freedom to speak his mind. If the Bush family disagrees with him, they have the right to sue in court and collect damages and show this man was incorrect. However, there should be 100,000 people holding a candle-light vigil around the prison where he is being held.
For that matter, a human shield of 100,000 people should escort Assange to the airport with him in the middle of a circle of humans 1/4 miles wide - all around.
Stop accepting government oppression and persecution of others just because you disagree with what the person said. Someday, they'll be the one to protect you when they come to get you for something you said.
We live in a police state. Anyone who feels otherwise actually is living in never-never land. Grow up! Fight to make this a campaign issue and make Romney and Ryan swear to keep their hands off these guys.
On the other hand, and I feel awful saying this, Manning has to rot. He held a military position and was dealing with military issues. He knowingly stole from the military and has actually committed traitorous acts. Assange (and our Supreme Court as affirmed this) did nothing wrong by publishing what he received. Manning did break the law and has to pay. I don't want our military security breached by angry enlistment or officers any more than I want them shooting up Fort Hood. Both the Fort Hood shooter and Manning are pretty much equal in eyes.
Thanks for you stance on Assange. Bradley Manning, however, has not been charged but many Americans have already found him guilty. Now, he occupies a cell without benefit of trial; is that the proud heritage of the military and America that Americans are defending?
Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Assange is a megalomaniac scumball and does not espouse free speech or transparency, he just fools idiots into a cult of personality worshipping at his feet, and he demands special treatment.
As I understand it, the girl made clear to Assange that she did not consent to unprotected sex, and then later in the night woke up to find Assange doing her without a condom. I do consider this a form of sexual abuse.
Junked! Setup! DB is a believer of the propaganda press. Troll!
lol who is the troll here? I have seen noone refute the basic sequence of events I described above.
Whether such behaviour consitutes sex crime in your mind depends on how much you worship at the altar of Assange, and how much of a fucking idiot you are.
You were not there and do not know the facts.
And why would a third party take the word of women who at best are cooperating with the authorities to have a man face the death penalty via charges of rape that originally were withdrawn and then revived probably by the insistence of the US government with the objective of keeping Assange under arrest for extradition? It almost begs that these women were paid. These are women with doubtful believability – admitting to alleged consensual sex -- knowing that for the crimes (defined as “suspicions") they claim Assange committed after allegedly inviting him into their beds that they would be willing to see him executed. That means they have a different motivation – and one suspects that motivation Is PAYMENT.
Once again, Assange hasn’t been tried. The witch hunters are trying to apply international law to a charge, and because all the courts have ruled against Assange (after the first warrant was reversed), insist Assange needs to be turned over to them. If you want to make international law apply to Assange then you have to respect the political sanctuary provided Assange by Ecuador because this is a political case. We accept political cases in the U.S. and do not turn detainees over to countries demanding them so they can be killed. This was a political case from the very beginning.
It all started August 11, 2010, says the BBC when Julian Assange arrived ”in Sweden on a speaking trip partly arranged by ‘Miss A,’ a member of the Christian Association of Social Democrats. He has not met ‘Miss A’ before but reports suggest they have arranged in advance that he can stay in her apartment while she is out of town for a few days…”
The trap is set…
Then, “Sometime between 17 and 20 August, ‘Miss W’ and ‘Miss A’ - the woman who arranged his speaking trip - are in contact and apparently share with a journalist the concerns they have about aspects of their respective sexual encounters with Mr Assange.”
August 20, 2010, “The Swedish Prosecutor's Office issues an arrest warrant for Julian Assange…”
On August 21, 2010, “the arrest warrant is withdrawn. ‘I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape," says one of Stockholm's chief prosecutors, Eva Finne… The lawyer for the two women, Claes Borgstrom, lodges an appeal to a special department in the public prosecutions office…
September 1, 2010:, “Swedish Director of Prosecution Marianne Ny says she is reopening the rape investigation against Mr Assange, eleven days after a chief prosecutor announced the arrest warrant had been dropped. Ms Ny is also head of the department that oversees prosecution of sex crimes in particular…”
It reads like a staged CIA play.
But the world was there to read the revealed background on our corrupt political officials and the world was there to hear Assange’s incredible definition of what civilization stands for when it stands for truth. A criticism of Assange's powerful speech is indefensible.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11949341
According to your logic, any crime the Great Leader Assange does can be dismissed as "CIA staged", and he should *never* be forced to face a court of law if accused of crime.
Are there any other Overlords that you wish to grant the same immunity from the law?
He should face the court, as any other man would have to. NO MORE SPECIAL RULES FOR ANYONE. Not for the banksters, not for your hero-worshipped gods, not for Assange.
>>>>>>>>and then later in the night woke up to find Assange doing her without a condom.
DB, had she NOT wanted to get laid, she wouldn't have spent the night. As far as sexual abuse, did he tie her up b4 the alleged assault? Doubt it. Lame trumped up charges.
Big Brother vs Bug Brother!
Guess whose side we are on !
If bug brother cannot jitter bug then the First is violated, to its very core!
Long live the jitterbugging bug brother.
Reading a lot of comments about fascism/socialism/marxism, blah blah blah.
Ideologies don't exist. The world is centralized and it's only agendas invented and pumped by the few that are real.
Those few hands do and steal what they want, right Corzine? right Holder?
If you are not part of the few, then there's a different set of rules for you.
And it's going to get worse....much worse. Read Orwell's Animal Farm for clarity.
"It's not left verses right, it's YOU verses the state.' Ludwig von Mises www.mises.org
Wow, if this happened under Bush, it would be all over the news. Don't agree with this guy here but he should be free to express his opinion whether I agree or not. Bush family rapes little children kind of destroys his credibility.
Ah, that's BS. At The Grove just last year, HW told me they wait until they are 16.
who cares!!!!?
We all have our problems. He's twice over an idiot. Once for using Facebook, and the other for joining the US military service (legalized murder, mayhem, rape, theft).
When will the populace understand the implications associated with voting, paying taxes and joining the military? You are complicit in serious criminal activity and unethicall treatment of your fellow man by sanctioning these entities.
Who cares what this soldier is doing? What about you?
Sorry - DogIsMyth, but I can't think of anything else to say but FUCK YOU - YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
Thank God for our military and patriotic Americans willing to fight for our country and protect it. Thank God for those willing to take a stand against out 'OVERLORDS' in the Legislative and Executive branches of government (and now even the SCOTUS).
This is a disgusting, sad, horrific story. It starts with Americans saying "It's OK they took out that guy with a drone - I know he was an American Citizen, but he was a terrorist." Everyone responded in unison "But he was a TERRORIST." When asked how they would feel if our government referred to them as terrorists and the put out a hit on them, how would they feel? Uniform response: "I'm not a terrorist - I've got nothing to worry about." - Another questions - "What if the government makes a mistake and THINKS you are a terrorist, but you're not, wouldn't you love a TRIAL BY A JURY OF YOUR PEERS?"
Another response, "I'll never have to worry about it."
REALITY: YOU BETTER WAKE THE FUCK UP AND WORRY ABOUT IT NOW.
Oh, and DogIsMyth - GO FUCK YOURSELF AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY - PIG. GO TO CHINA OR PAKISTAN AND GET YOUR HEAD BLOWN OFF THE FIRST TIME YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE THE WRONG WAY. YOU UNAPPRECIATIVE PIECE OF SHIT. Go get your election ballot now so you can check off Obama - just in case they take you down by accident. Asshole.
BY THE WAY - I CLEARLY DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY, AND HAVE ABUSED YOU FOR IT, BUT I'D DEFEND 'TILL MY DEATH YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT. Then I'd make sure someone gave you a serious ass-whipping after my death.
lol....you're a trip dude. Patriotism? To what? you have no country. America is a mix bag of ethnicities and the gov (USA Inc.) will let anyone in to continue the party (for the gov) and the continued militarism across the globe. The country has been bankrupt since Day 1. You own nothing. You control nothing. Yet you talk about fighting for your freedom and defending your country. You are the joke because you go around parroting this bullshit without understanding THE FACTS.
get an education or STFU. Voting use to be a privilege....for the educated. Now its a free for all. And the ignorant are prevailing. Welcome to freedom.
You get junked! For being a 'tard. Your a cynic. The worst part bout your bullshit is you think that the average citizen is beyond or below you. Well like in the movie The Breakfast club - the young didn't turn on you, YOU just got old, crotchety and mean. You may worry about the future of the country, but let me tell you, YOU are not in the young citizens future because of your cynicism.
- DogShit - You can laugh at my Patriotism and that displayed by the overwhelming majority of people who a) aren't on food stamps, b) appreciate all those who have served in the U.S. Miitary have done for us (not the upper brass, who often issue horrific orders in the 'fog of war'.), c) are workign towards bettering our country, rather than simply accepting he morass we are in.
Being educated, I realize that we are a bankrupt country where all of our rights are being taken from us without so much as a wimper any group of citizens and that we are rapidly approaching nearing the end of a long pax americana (with losta wars during the pax).
Luckily, I got a great education when 4 years of college cost $14K / year on average. I was also fortunate enough to obtain credits after college at very low cost as I had a family member as a professor. Moving forward, the Khan Academy and all other free websites will be a great way to level the playing field. Talented and Gifted students will no longer be 'kept busy' from October thru June, when they can move years ahead online.
People discussing anythign on Facebook or Twitter are dipshits. They are in that group of people who go under the assumption, "I don't do anything wrong, so I don't worry." Someday, they'll be worrying. Finally, I also took the advice of someone who mentioned that my cell phone is simply a device for the government or other groups to track every single move I make in the world, read my SMS texts and e-mails, see where I visit online, and listen in to phone conversations. Basically 1% of its work is actually working as a phone.
We've crossed the event horizon of world bankruptcy and a likely deflationary depression. We've also crossed the event horizon into the balck hole where we will never truly have privacy every again. My county just stated they'll be installing video cameras that will also be able to tie into local business video system and 'the installation will not cost the county a dime." No shit - if someone gave you the right to track every citizen's move and every car within the county. amd use that info for whatever nefarious uses you can think up, why charge? Just give to police a feed into the videos. Now, the license plate readers will be coupled with other 'data services'. Do you think one of them might be face and possibly voice recognition software? Flash mobs should gather to find these cameras and other devices and take them out every single time they're installed. Oh, and our county also has the shot-fire-locator. If a gun or rifle is shot, we have a system where the sound is triangulated to exactly where the trigger was pulled. Pretty soon, thery'll know if I have too much corn in my doodie.
It's over, but rather than rooting for it and sitting by avoiding any attempt to stop it once they become aware of it, people need to wake up and take care of themselves. People who have been living on the government tit for years, if not generations, will be goners in the first 24 hours of a crisis. On the other hand, the country boy will survive.
Finally, it's starting to look like the Unibomber Manifesto was not so crazy.
Like on the movie AIRPLANE, there will be a long line of individuals waiting to have a go at this TOOL.
And why would there be concern?...Was not he an ex-marine?...Perhaps, another "brainwash" gone bad.
For sure, close tabs are kept on all who have been "brainwashed"!
"Brainwashed", turning on the "Brainwasher"!!
The Marines and the entire US military will stick together. I wouldn’t want to be the person/group who is responsible for selling this propaganda news.
When a person feels a twinge of apprehension writing his or her opinion on a post such as this, not knowing that his or her opinion may be misconstrued or used against him or her in the matter of employment, whether they pick you up or not, or social standing then we know we have a problem don't we? .I am not discussing obvious racial slurs or comments promoting violence, I am speaking of those who doubt and question the integrity and honor of those who make charges and never devulge all the evidence to back up their claims. Building number 7 made me lose respect for all those who were pointing the finger in one direction ,when the usual suspects lived not far away.
Poor fool, should have done it to a rap beat, slap around some hos, wear a racist t-shirt, and point a nickel-plated pistol so it could all be labeled as "Free Speach."
"You say you want a revolution. Well, you know. We all want to change the world. But when you talk about destruction. Don't you know that you can count me out." - John Lennon
http://www.brotherjohnf.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/BrotherJohnF/videos
I'll never pull a weapon on my own gubbermint; I swore an Oath.
But, if they go psycho on US Citizens, or illegally tried to raid my crib, I would have to recompute.
Our right to defense comes from Above, not from mortal men.
Up Arrow.
It has been crystal clear that the US armed forces are used as one of the instruments for the implementation of the NWO.
You all know the behind-the-scenes fucks are on the hedge and any other alternative media who choose to cover this story.
With that said, I'd like to take this opportunity to tell those involved who are playing for team government that you are on the wrong side. Do not confuse a paycheck with morals. This is not a game and very soon those around you wake up and return to you the injustices you have forced upon others, as they realize that "I'm just doing my job, man" is no longer a valid excuse for the increasingly intrusive acts that you perpetuate simply by CLOCKING IN EVERY MORNING.
Tick-tock, tick-tock...
I hate to break the news but this type of government abuse will continue regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the Whitehouse. Scream all you want about Obama, the truth as I see it is... it's DOD, US Military slowly transitioning a takeover of the US government. Many Democrats rage that Obama didn't get the troops home from Afghan faster, didn't close that prison in Cuba, etc. He can't. He simply doesn't have the political power to do so, the military machine opposes him.
If Romney or any other Republican does win the WH, the slide away from Democracy will continue. I believe it will continue faster with a Republican in the WH.
can not vote, not working to vote up. technical problem Tyler
vote ups or downs don't work when the text starts with italics... need to start with a space...
Either that ~ or they're beta testing the November elections DIEBOLD software...
We thought Russia was bad. This is worse than the darkest days in Russia.
The frog that has been slowly boiling over the last 30 years is now well and truly cooked. You can see what is going to happen when the world financial system crashes. The last thing Americans should do is give up their guns.
In other news...
The Israeli government has asked Egypt to withdraw the armored vehicles it deployed in Sinai ten days ago, in contravention of the peace treaty between the two nations, according to Al-Quds Al-Arabi, which quotes Israeli sources.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159043
Egypt Reportedly Sets up Anti-Aircraft Missiles in Sinai Desert
http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/08/19/egypt-reportedly-sets-up-anti-aircr...
Egypt to plant a million acres, settle a million citizens in Sinai
http://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-to-plant-million-acres-settle-million...
Eat your peas Israel!
With what water?
Blah blah blah, fear, fear, fear, war, war, war.
Ask the Muslim Brotherhood. Jewish tears.
You didn't plant those acres... Someone else did...
Relax ZH posters..
With polling numbers down, they will begin a series of division thru the Military to gain voter base. This a very gutsy move. It’s all fun a games until someone gets hurt because this instructional playbook will be found in their possession. All FB/twitter friends have now been implicated as well. Too bad for the jamoke who was just trying to push 20,000 social media friends.
Draft of a Communist Confession of Faith and Principles of Communism
What? Do I hear the noise of ass puckering, vomiting at the porcelain throne, and sheer panic? You can run, good luck hiding from the Military soldiers who protect this country.
Good thing I don't use FB! I do all my conspiring in person and here of course.
damned beatniks...
the larger the voice of government grows, the smaller yours becomes...or something like that.
it's painfully obvious that freedom of speech has been replaced with freedom-of -politically-correct-government-approved speech. this has been going on for a while now through various social engineering programs, from PC to the post 9/11 "support our troops" program. this story and others like it just make it brutally clear that our journey toward the darkside is now complete.
the choice now is simple do you fall in line, keep your head down and follow the program so as to avoid ending up like MR. Raub (which is exactly what they want) or do you raise your voice louder and risk bringing the unholy wrath of the NDAA down upon your own head?
and don't believe for one moment it can't happen to those of us that post here at ZH. the anonymity of a screen name and avatar only goes so far.
oh yeah, and they didn't read him his rights...because he didn't commit a crime.
think about that for a minute.
it's no longer a question of are you paranoid...
it's are you paranoid enough?
Marcus, +1 agree 100%, but,
We give the PTB far too much credit when it comes to police and military folks. They have proven beyond reasonable doubt how incompetant they are. Wait till it starts for real, they may even start with me?? Who knows?
And for our resident TSA, GCHQers reading this. Be carefull what you start, be very carefull who you take down, and remember, Folks are nowhere near as stupid as your lot. You are out-numbered by a considerable margin. Not every one of us will self-immolate like our brave Italian friend. Some of us will take you down first.
Prepare accordingly
I live ten miles from Brandon but, do not know him. Yet.
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/aug/19/tdmet02-chesterfield-man-held-in-hospital-on-conce-ar-2140519/
I called the Chesterfield Police Dept. and asked when Brandon's court date was scheduled. The Officer said "I don't know!". I asked "was he charged with a crime?" The officer said "Not by Chesterfield, we were just assisting the FBI. If you want further information contact the FBI office at 804-261-1044". I called the FBI office and asked if Brandon had been charged with a crime? He said "I don't know". I said "You don't know? Then why are you holding him and when is his court date?" The FBI said " You'll have to call Chesterfield for that information". I said " I just called Chesterfield and they told me to call you people". He said "call the Chesterfield Court House on tomorrow morning." I said "What is your name?" He said "We don't give out our names" I said "What? That is ridiculous!" He asked me my name and I gave him my first name. He said " What is your last name?" I said "I asked you first".
I *67 before I dialed either number so my phone # would not appear on caller id. I hope it works. I will be contacting Brandon, when he is released, to see if he will allow me to join his cause. We have the same taste in literature.
FASCISM IS HERE TO STAY!
GREAT LEGACY "W"!
" I said "What is your name?" He said "We don't give out our names" "
I sat within earshot of an FBI agent for several weeks, doing forensic accounting. I distinctly remember him answering the phone "Agent Jones" (or whatever his name was).
Perhaps times have changed...
On the other hand, that bank was damaged in a bombing (google 'Bishopsgate bombing')
Perhaps times haven't changed so much...
That is what he told me. Richmond is a small town. 200k people. I can't believe this. Nobody gives a damn. I wonder if it will make the local new today.
'Bishopsgate bombing'!! Wow!
The IRA has announced they're after the banksters again. Erin go Bragh
Simple solution. Peaceful protest. Just close your Facebook accounts as protest for facebook cooperation with the government as clearly they are profiling!
That is what I am going to do
Just try to close it....it keeps coming back to life.
Farcebook Zombies!
Now I see why the gov is pushing for transparency on the web (no handles, real name only). Anonymity may allow people to be classless and hateful, but it does allow people to get a message out w/o fear of retaliation....right Tyler? Might have to look up places in Ecuador.
Small government may reduce safety nets, but a large gov reduces freedom.
I wonder if they will send him an invoice for the Hospital stay? I can see it now "can we see your insurance card?"
Just left the local new Walmart store. All ammunition sales have stopped unless you want to buy BB's or air soft pellets or balls. Best price 9mm ammo around until today. No notice all ammo gone from the store. Any thoughts???? no sarc.
Hmmmm.... where do you live? Was at my local Walmart today, and noticed in the sporting goods section they had an end aisle display floor to top of display stacked with boxes of 100 count 12 guage shotgun shells #7.5 or #8 on sale for $22.97. On the end cap display out in the open - not locked in the display case behind the counter. 50+ boxes. So I picked up a box along with the other stuff I was buying. Bought some Remington gun oil and patches too. Checkout at the front of the store was routine. Cashier did not ask for ID or otherwise bat an eye. Just scanned the box of shotgun shells along with everything else. I paid cash.
So I guess it depends where you live.....
I also bought ammo at Wal-mart today. Zero problems.
Martin Niemöller
Freewheelin Franklin
cant vote you up. Its simply not working. a technical problem Hmm
That's odd.
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I was able to vote up this comment, but not the other one. Perhaps the Feds will be knocking on my door, soon.
up or down votes get locked out when the comment starts with italics
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thanks
If you support this guy then just go on facebook and say the government is lying. The more the better.
i would like to confirm that 9/11 was an attack on the united states by the bush crime syndicate which used the cia and mossad to accomplish its goal of creating a crisis not to be wasted.....more evidence of the planned nature of the the attacks to foment war in the middle east is provided here. http://whowhatwhy.com/2012/08/10/tvwho-gen-wesley-clark-shocker-on-911-p...
and of course there are aaron russo's comments about nick rockefeller knowing well in advance about the attacks....jim marrs provides extremely well documented evidence that the trade tower attacks were open secrets with bush cousin wirt walker iii and his wife being the cunts who profited handsomely from the advance knowledge...
all of the bush clan including the bitch barbara, dick cheney, donald rumsfeld, richard perle, bill kristol, paul wolfowitz, porter goss, gates, and a clan of other neo-con traitors were involved in the planninng and attacks on the united states on september 11, 2001....
the dept of homeland security is a nazi goon squad as is tsa, fema, and the utah data center and fusion centers...
Thx for the link. I have a little respect for clark now. He might be able to be trusted?
But, But ..... didn't you know that not using facebook means you are antisocial and a terorist!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184658/Is-joining-Facebook-sign...
Exactly, if you don't put all your information and personal contact on Facebook, that can only mean that you have something to hide.
So basically ~ if you're not on Facebook 24/7 telling all your 422 friends that you just pinched a loaf, you're a tear out wrist...
they're head-hunting...
activist. writer. leader.
things should clarify once the courts get involved and his peeps come in w/ the writs (assuming a court gets involved, of course...)
stay tooned...
Brandon is in a Psychiatric Ward in Hopewell's John Randolph Medical Center and they won't let anyone talk to him. I called the ACLU Press Office and will be getting the word out to the main office in NYNY.
For anyone interested in contacting ACLU:
ACLU
125 Broad Street
NYNY 10004
212-549-2500
Let's put the heat on these NAZIs
Could help, might not because ACLU = Controlled Oppostion.