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Guest Post: Former Marine Arrested For Patriotic Posts On Facebook

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Former Marine Arrested For Patriotic Posts On Facebook

First the establishment started going after current serving military men for their outspoken political views on Facebook and other web venues, men like Marine Sergeant Gary Stein.  Now, it seems the government is going after veterans as well.  This is the classic pattern of a burgeoning totalitarian state; attack a small group first (outspoken serving military) which the public ignores because it affects them little personally, then slowly expand out to eventually include everyone else.  To all those insipid bottom feeders out there who refused to defend Gary Stein's right to free speech, here is what you have wrought.  Because of your ignorance, the government has been able to set a social precedent which they now plan to apply to a whole new group of people, starting with former Marine Brandon Raub.  The common statist slave will give the typical coward's response, which would sound a little something like this:

"...When are people going to learn that Facebook isn't private?  You would have to be stupid to express such views where everyone can see..."

"They didn't arrest him, they just 'detained' him..."

"He's former military and should be 'ashamed' of his comments against the government., blah blah blah, etc..."

The bottom line is, the 1st Amendment is NOT conditional.  ALL speech must be protected, no matter who you are, or where you happen to be speaking.  Just because our current criminal government decides 1st Amendment protections do not apply to Facebook does not mean they have the authority to make such distinctions.  In fact, the Constitution explicitly outlines how they are restricted from making such distinctions.  If a government entity, ANY government entity, attempts to violate Constitutional restrictions, it must be removed by any means necessary.

Take note that the FBI used the accusation of "terrorist threats" by Brandon Raub as an excuse for the arrest even though there is no indication that any actual threats were present on his Facebook page..

(Brandon's comments included observations that 9-11 was done by the government (even going to such length, and an interestingly detailed thesis, of providing evidence to augment this), the War on Terror is a lie, Americans are killing innocent people in the ME, the current federal banking system is corrupt and unfeasible to Americans, and that the George Bush's family rapes little children)

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august192012/marine-fakcebook-arrest-t.php

I would say that all of these claims have enough circumstantial evidence behind them to warrant a serious independent investigation, and even if they didn't, there is no law against "conspiracy theory", at least not yet...

The police and FBI also failed to read Raub his Miranda Rights. Could this be one of the first public instances of the enforcement of NDAA detainment provisions against a U.S. citizen as a so called "domestic terrorist"?  You know, those detainment provisions that Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs alike claim "don't exist"?

My question for the statist slaves is, how soon will it be before they get to you?  Do you really believe your complacency and apathy will save you?  Has that kind of philosophy saved any slave under any other tyranny of the past?  This is NOT a free country anymore, and if we do not act to defend each individual who suffers under the weight of bureaucratic oppression, then everyone will lose everything.  It is time to pick a side.

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Sun, 08/19/2012 - 19:50 | 2719151 Robot Traders Mom
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I agree there is disinformation everywhere. I don't think any sane-minded person on here would disagree, but that is not what we are talking about.

 

I saw the video. Was he read his rights? Has he been given due process? It doesn't matter if he's crazy or whatever you are saying, due process is our right. It is what protects us from tyranny (H/T Thomas Jefferson)

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 21:39 | 2719400 Mysteerious Roo...
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You are right. As I told a friend when this happened, we don't know whether he was refusing to take meds or to keep medical appointments or whether some relations of his (or neighbors) had signed the necessary papers to have him committed for observation, which is a standard and lawful procedure in at least one state, and probably in several or even all.

BUTT, in the video, there were at least two people (a man and a woman) who were at the man's home with him, and judging by their reactions, I just got the gut feeling--and I know how (in)valid that is for drawing a conclusion about this--that his abduction was not only unexpected (at least by them) but also unfounded. Time will tell.

The "authorities" will publish their "explanation," but presumably, so will the two people who were present (and making the video) when the "arest" took place, so we shall see. But you are quite right in what you have said. Still and all, I just have a gut feeling--worthwhile or not--that his is a travesty. We shall see.

 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:30 | 2718297 LoneStarHog
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May I suggest that you research the terms Socialism and Fascism? Then consider a hybrid of Fascism and Marxism. Please do so prior to any future posts.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:33 | 2718313 MeelionDollerBogus
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This is FASCISM and WARLORDSHIP. This is not any kind of socialism and not any kind of capitalism and not any kind of economic system. This is a WARLORD POLICE STATE devoid of any socalism.

Socialism is ONLY, NOTHING ELSE, THE collective ownership BY THE PEOPLE of the means of production.

This nonsense definition of socialism that every police-state action is socialism HAS TO END.

This kind of ignorance is tolerated on other blogs but this is ZEROHEDGE, BITCHEZ.

If you want to be that ignorant you have to sign in as one of our favourites and blame the Liberatrians and the freemarket.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:25 | 2718736 Optimusprime
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Sam Francis, an astute observer, called our system "Anarcho-tyranny.'

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 21:47 | 2719421 Anusocracy
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The alpha-male social hierarchy by any way possible.

Doesn't matter if it is left or right. Not to the alphas.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 02:33 | 2732818 MeelionDollerBogus
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might I suggest you do not under-estimate the alpha female.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:34 | 2718314 MeelionDollerBogus
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What Is Fascism? merger of state and corporation

 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:54 | 2718389 CH1
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Wow... for a second there I thought it was the real MDB, posting something that was true!

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:56 | 2718396 Sudden Debt
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Fasicsm: when you say what they decide that everybody should say, you're fine.... unless you have a problem with that...

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:03 | 2718425 Uncle Remus
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Well, there's the rub. Therein lies the problem.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 20:49 | 2719283 Seer
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Had a political science (oxymoron) teacher who claimed to have coined the phrase: "Free speech just means that you are free to say what everyone else is saying."

Eagles' lyrics to On The Border:

Cruisin' down the center of the two-way street Wond'rin' who is really in the driver's seat Mindin' my bus'ness, along comes big brother Says, "Son, you better get on one side or the other"
I'm out on the border, I'm walkin' the line Don't you tell me 'bout your law and order I'm tryin' to change this water to wine
After a hard day, I'm safe at home Foolin' with my baby on the telephone Out of nowhere somebody cuts in and says "Hmm, you in some trouble, boy, we know where you been"
I'm out on the border, I thought this was a private line Don't you tell me 'bout your law and order I'm tryin' to change this water to wine
Never mind your name just give us your number Never mind your face just show us your card And we wanna know whose wing are you under You better step to the right or we can make it hard
I'm stuck on the border, all I wanted was some peace of mind Don't you tell me 'bout your law and order I'm tryin' to change this water to wine
On the border (Leave me be, I'm just walking this line) I'm out on the border, on the border (All I wanted was some peace of mind, peace of mind)
I'm out on the border, on the border (Can't you see I'm tryin' to change this water to wine?) I'm out on the border, on the border (Don't you tell me 'bout your law and order)
I'm out on the border (I'm sick and tired of all your law and order) On the border (Say goodnight in here) I'm out on the border, on the border

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 21:48 | 2719431 Mysteerious Roo...
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Good post. I got a chuckle out of this:

"...political science (oxymoron)..."

But may I be school-marmish for a moment, and just say that "science" is derived from the Latin scientia, which simply means "knowledge." As in the German "Wissenschaft"--same thing.

/schoolmarmishness off.

 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 18:10 | 2718956 Oldballplayer
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Another way to look at it is the establishment of a socialized agenda within a defined state.

Communism is looking for a worldwide stage, facisim just wants to keep it local.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:12 | 2718460 Gully Foyle
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Since when are Soveriegn citizens considered Anarchists?

And what differentiates "fake currency" from alternate currency or local currencies?

I do so enjoy casting a wide net to create fear in the genpop.

https://www.mail.com/news/us/1508848-suspects-deputy-killings-linked-to-...

At least some of the seven people arrested in a fatal shootout with Louisiana deputies have been linked to violent anarchists on the FBI's domestic terrorism watch lists, a sheriff said Saturday.

Detectives had been monitoring the group before Thursday's shootout in Laplace in which two deputies were killed and two more wounded, said DeSoto Parish Sheriff Rodney Arbuckle. His detectives and other law enforcement discovered the suspects were heavily armed adherents to an ideology known as the "sovereign citizens" movement.

The FBI has classified "sovereign citizens" as people who believe they are free from all duties of a U.S. citizen, like paying taxes. The FBI considers the group's members a danger for making threats to judges and law enforcement, using fake currency and impersonating police officers.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:46 | 2718784 Fake Jim Quinn
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Are you secretly Million Dollar Bonus? This has to be sarcasm. Please tell me it is. I want to live in a fantasy land and believe no one can be this stupid

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 18:14 | 2718960 WeAreJellyfish
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Really

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:36 | 2719574 kokuzoku
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That's how you comment when you live in state of Dumbfukistan...

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:36 | 2719575 kokuzoku
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That's how you comment when you live in state of Dumbfukistan...

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:52 | 2719617 bluestaq
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Here is Brandon's Facebook postings right before his detainment.  He was saying the country is run by a shadow government that enjoys raping and sacrificing children, 911 was a inside job, gov't is poisoning us, and he was actively recruiting for the Revolution among other things.  

 https://www.facebook.com/brandon.raub?sk=wall

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 20:05 | 2722154 dadichris
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I disagree - this system resembles Fascism more to me. In an effort to fight Socalism we have (knowingly or otherwise) embraced the "enemy of my enemy".

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:23 | 2718248 francis_sawyer
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It's always a conspiracy theory... until it becomes a conspiracy FACT...

~~~

In other news...

Lord Rothschild takes £130m bet against the euro

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9484435/Lord-Rothschild-takes-130m-bet-against-the-euro.html

Bank of England deputy governor Paul Tucker warned banks they could collapse 'before Christmas'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9484419/Bank-of-England-deputy-governor-Paul-Tucker-warned-banks-they-could-collapse-before-Christmas.html

 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:31 | 2718302 Out9922
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Dont forget Soros dumping financial stocks and putting his money into gold

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:55 | 2718395 zilverreiger
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paulsson too, but both paper gold

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:17 | 2718854 lotsoffun
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there are too many paulsons - but john paulson the hedge fund manager is a loser since he banged it out on subprime mortgages.

 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:58 | 2718407 max2205
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And FB ??!!!!

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:32 | 2718310 diogeneslaertius
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DING DING DING

 

WINNER WINNER

 

CHICKEN DINNER

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:40 | 2718340 realtick
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Were people fucking born yesterday? What's next - a headline that Wellington has been defeated at Waterloo?

 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 20:04 | 2719175 Kayman
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He was ?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 02:17 | 2719864 RafterManFMJ
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To your fastest horse, and away to London to alert Freiherr Von Rothschild!

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:12 | 2718459 Element
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The BOE "before christmas" warning was for 2011 though ... still, I wonder what Santa's got for them this year ... given things have gotten so much better now?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:22 | 2719530 Seer
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A "certificate" for a lump of coal?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:18 | 2718480 jayman21
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Thanks for the link...Looks like this trade started about 8 months ago based on charts.  Any guesses on how much lower the cattle call will take this trade and make profits for selling at 145-140 range?  How much play time this trade will get from the MSM?  GS having targets based on this news story?

Curious if any of this occurs or if this trades stays behind the scenes.

 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:56 | 2718812 Totentänzerlied
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Obvious nonsense - why would Lord Rothschild bet on the future of an asset he owns...

And £130M to a Rothschild - these people bet more than that on darts and billiards at the pub.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:16 | 2718851 francis_sawyer
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links were just 'links'... presented with no comment... It's for geniuses like YOU to figure out what they mean...

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:18 | 2718250 Dr Benway
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Wow. His comments are so tame compared to regular ZH fare..

 

If his comments warrant detention, what do they have in plan for you?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:21 | 2718267 john39
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they can arrest him and the sheeple won't blink... because he is a scary ex marine...  who might go crazy and hurt someone....  /s

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:21 | 2718269 LetThemEatRand
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What did he say?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:25 | 2718280 Urban Roman
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Whatever it was, apparently it needed more Democracy according to the critics from the pentagram.

Or maybe it needed more cowbell..

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:30 | 2718299 LetThemEatRand
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I am a strong supporter of the 1st Amendment, but there actually are well recognized exceptions.  For example, threatening imminent violence is not protected speech.  Defaming a person is not protected speech.  There is the over-used example of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.  

P.S.  I just found a link that includes some threatening statements that he made including that he was sharpening his axe to sever heads, and that he was coming for the Generals.  In my opinion that would still be protected speech unless there was other context that made the threats appear real, but I don't think this author is quite correct to call those statements "patriotic."

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:33 | 2718315 El
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What is the link to these alleged statements?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:35 | 2718327 LetThemEatRand
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http://libertycrier.com/u-s-constitution/former-marine-arrested-by-fbi-f...

The screen shots at the bottom of the page are likely the ones he was questioned about.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:44 | 2718351 El
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Thx! Well, I can now see why he made some folks nervous, but seriously... if change is to occur, won't it eventually come to that? I hope not, but at some point people are going to have to stop talking about it and start to take action if we want to "refresh the tree of liberty."

At what point do you draw a line and say no more? Is there such a point? Would we, like the Germans, sit here and watch the Holocaust happen again, for example? I would like to think not, but we certainly have sat here and watched the gov't murder American citizens (including a 16 year old boy) without even bringing any charges against them. We've watched and participated in illegal war after illegal war and watched while a million folks were killed in the ME. I have no solutions, but I'm just wondering...does that line exist and if so...where is it?

 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:55 | 2718392 LetThemEatRand
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I for one believe that there is a peaceful solution.  Ron Paul's broad support tells me that a whole lot of our population is starting to see that the Red Team/Blue Team garbage is not Democracy.  Of course guys like Alex Jones think that TPTB will force the issue and start putting people in FEMA camps and taking their guns if the population actually begins to demand real change and stops electing puppets of the global elite.  I hope guys like him are wrong and that our system of checks and balances eventually rights the ship.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:15 | 2718475 Red Heeler
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"I for one believe that there is a peaceful solution."

So said the sheep.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:03 | 2718694 CompassionateFascist
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RandEater appears to have conjugated with MillionDollarBonus.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:39 | 2718541 El
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I sincerely hope you are right.

 

"Hope--the unrealistic expectation that everything will turn out all right in spite of every indication to the contrary." (I have no idea who said this.)

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:29 | 2719556 Seer
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Derrick Jensen and an audience once came up with this definition of "hope:"

"hope is a longing for a future condition over which you have no agency; it means you are essentially powerless."

And from an article titled Beyond Hope (http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/170/):

I’m not, for example, going to say I hope I eat something tomorrow. I just will. I don’t hope I take another breath right now, nor that I finish writing this sentence. I just do them. On the other hand, I do hope that the next time I get on a plane, it doesn’t crash. To hope for some result means you have given up any agency concerning it. Many people say they hope the dominant culture stops destroying the world. By saying that, they’ve assumed that the destruction will continue, at least in the short term, and they’ve stepped away from their own ability to participate in stopping it.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 18:06 | 2718946 crkennedymd
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Dude, I hope you are right; but my core tells me you are indulging in fantasy. I up-arrowed you anyway (though I often do the opposite).

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 21:18 | 2719254 Reptil
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I'm sorry to be blunt: Beliefs don't mean a thing.

What is logical? This is clearly a provocation; they're monitoring Veterans, to see if one or more step over the line, and start making threats.

If the guy would've resisted they would've shot him right there on his porch. But he was smart, and didn't. Yes he was dumb to post a threat (of violence). Golden rule: NEVER threaten, just do.

Now they accuse him of resisting arrest. Well well well. Maybe the fascists made a mistake? They've been overconfident, lately. And cases where they blew ex marines brains out never got much attention anywhere.

This is so clear cut though.... Yes they'll continue the provocation. Picking one by one, the guys that have a militairy history and are waking up to the fact their country's been taken over. Until one of em or more snap and start shooting back.

And then all hell will break loose. FEMA camps, mass roundups and searches, Internet takeover, confiscation of communications equipment, computers, weapons, means of transport, stock etc.

It could be even before the elections, if they get the idea that no one's going to turn up to vote for two guys that are on the same side. Because they don't care as much to keep up appearances, so it seems.

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