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Guest Post: Furious At Latest U.S. Attack, Pakistan Shuts Down Resupply Routes To Afghanistan "Permanently"

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Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:10 | 1941692 Tao 4 the Show
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Anybody know how many nukes Pakistan actually has? I wonder how much they are really under control and how much of a hand the U.S. has on the trigger.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:28 | 1941726 Manthong
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Aw heck.. Kennedy supplied Berlin with C-47 Gooney Birds..

Obama can supply Afghanistan and the Chinese mines with C-17 Globemasters.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:52 | 1941813 eureka
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NATO is a few more missteps from falling apart...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:04 | 1941856 Nobody special
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The North American Terrorist Organization seems to be encountering greater resistance.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:57 | 1943047 trav7777
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well, we are kinda waging a war in Pukistan...I mean we send in military assets and conduct attacks on their sovereign territory.  This shit doesn't sell well

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 16:34 | 1942140 midtowng
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NATO hasn't had a legit purpose since the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Now it's just imperialism.

NATO deserves to be ended, for the good of the world.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:13 | 1941887 foxenburg
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Kennedy? The Berlin airlift was 1948/49.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:22 | 1941938 Manthong
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My bad.. of course..  jelly donut brain moment.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 17:05 | 1942213 americanspirit
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Ich bin ein Berliner

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 20:39 | 1942653 eaglefalcon
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ich bin Frankfurter

ich bin Hamburger

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:23 | 1941939 Cloud9.5
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Slight difference between a C-47 and 47 planes. 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:54 | 1942042 Mike2756
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That was a shorter route, think Stalingrad.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:04 | 1941860 CPL
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100 warheads under the NPT, which means about as much as financial regulation now a days.  I understand that there have been increasing bribery problems from senior US military staff in Afghanistan with the culling of their pensions.  So take the official number and times it by four then put those warhead into the patriot missiles the US sold Pakistan for "defense" extend the range on them with retro fitting and extra capacity fuel, they in theory could turn Israel into a glass parking lot.

 

But if they wanted to do damage, they would target the southern naval yards of India to cut the knees off the US navy and air support, it would damage all oil refinement in the area.  It would also starve India from toe to head unless someone sets up an endless stream of trucks, horses and men to haul cargo.

 

Modern armies need a lot of everything to keep their hands clean.  Especially food.  MRE supplies are one of the last things considered in the Navy.  Mainly by design that your boat's job is to move bodies quickly and have as much firepower crammed into it along with repair gear.  It was the Achilles heel of old long haul boat, it's still the Achilles heel today.  You don't fight a boat, you starve the sailors.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:02 | 1943060 trav7777
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India would annihilate Pukistan.

What planet are you on?  Haven't you heard of the Kargill War?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 05:28 | 1943442 Element
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Kargil was not a war, is was a protracted series of small but intense skirmishes over the control of a mountain ridgeline.

Pakistan was itching to fight a 'proxy' war, but all it could do was fake a terrorist infiltration of disputed Indian Territory. Pakistan used its own forces to pretend to be NON-Pakistan-military.

i.e. they had only a fraction of Pakistani forces and firepower options available in the subsequent battle.

India however was politically free to throw in a large and coordinated force (i.e heavy artillery and ground-attack fighters) to dislodge the lightly armed irregular forces on the peaks.

The Pakis were unable to do the same things because that would mean tacitly admitting that the attackers were in fact Pakistani military forces, that had pre-emptively attacked Indian border positions.

But soon after Kargil ended it became undeniable that this was indeed a Pakistani military operation ... and the Pakis knew this would be discovered and proven ... so could have jumped in fully, but they didn't want to escalate it into a war, at that time.

Thus India was always going to win that battle, if they threw their weight into the fight.

The Pakis were taking a gamble that thy wouldn't, or else would eventually give up.

They lost the gamble.

It could have escalated into a general war, but what subsequently occurred was not even close to a real war or even a real battle between the two military forces.

The one thing repeatedly shown by wars is that to underestimate an enemy, and how far they will go, can lead to defeats. Vietnam is a classic and stunning case of determined rice-farmers deciding they were not going to loose, no matter what it took.

Vietnam beat the crap out of greatest military power on earth when the USA was at the very peak of its financial, economic, political and technological power.

Don't forget this incredibly important lesson when asserting x can beat the crap out of  y.

It simply isn't so.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:03 | 1941862 Crassus
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The best guess is slightly under 100.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:29 | 1941958 PD Quig
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Somewhere around 55 at last count.

Poor Pakistan! Being subjected to cross-border raids by NATO and the US. Why, it's an outrage, I tell you! I mean, Pakistan is in complete control of their sovereign territory and all. And their military and intelligence agency--the ISI--have been such good allies to everybody in the region. What, with enabling the Taliban, enabling terrorists who attack India, and enabling the worst forms of Islamist craziness.

Fucking Pakistan will not settle down until they finally piss off India and get turned into nothing more than beautiful mountains--all glowing radioactive green. Motherfuckers.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 17:34 | 1942289 english serf
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Exactly. Fuck the pakis.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 18:50 | 1942431 MyKillK
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"Enabling terrorists who attack India"

 

You must mean David Headley, who scouted out all the targets for the Mumbai attack. Oh wait, nevermind, he was a CIA agent. Who's enabling attacks against India again?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 21:28 | 1942720 Seize Mars
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You must mean David Headley, who scouted out all the targets for the Mumbai attack. Oh wait, nevermind, he was a CIA agent. Who's enabling attacks against India again?

Wow. Well I learn something new every day.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 11:45 | 1943850 bahaar
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You mean Nov 26 was the first time Pakistan ever attacked India?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 23:19 | 1945658 PD Quig
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I realize you're probably historically illiterate like so many products of government schools, but if you had even the most basic knowledge of the history since 1948, you would know that Pakinstani terrorists have been killing Indians regularly for decades in Kashmir.

Jesus Christ. How is this country ever going to get a grip when there are so many people who are as ignorant as President Obama?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 20:37 | 1942651 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, relish in all the innocent children and babies that would be killed by such action, fine gentlemen that you are!

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 05:45 | 1943448 Element
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You might recall that even China has a difficult time exerting sovereign control of their western border zone and security.

The same certainly applies to NATO-[un]controlled Afghanistan! How much or Afganistan does the NATO backed puppet in Kabul control, as a percentage of Afghan sovereign territory - on any given day?

Pakistan controls a much larger percentage of its sovereign territory.

In fact, why do we even believe that the Paki's don't control 100% of their territory all the time, and always have?

Have they not been playing both sides of the street all along? Doesn't that require a deniable myth of 'lawless' NW regions?

If it's so lawless and out of their control, why is this where Pakistan test-fired its a-bomb?

Similar consideration applies to disputed Indian-controlled Kashmiri sovereignty.

The country with the best sovereign territorial control in the area is Iran.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 16:13 | 1942097 ToNYC
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My big bet is that 'Hot Pursuit' by foreign powers raining asymmetrical death on summary suspects in your neighborhood is treated with a bit more empathy, cowboy.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:08 | 1941694 SeventhCereal
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well it's about time they grew some balls.  what are they doing with those jf-17's anyway? 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 19:34 | 1942527 philipat
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The  next step, the US will cut off all aid to Pakistan. The Military/Industrial complex is still undecided wether Iran or Pakistan is the next war. Watch for a "Terrorist attack sponsored by..." attack as the selection process advances.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 05:52 | 1943450 Element
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And the Chinese and the Russians will step right into the weapons and tech vacuum, and Pakistan will more than happily welcome their assistence and advisors.

Thus Pakistan then flips to their camp, and will be supplied and protected as a VERY WILLING, HIGHLY MOTIVATED AND ENDLESSLY AGGRESSIVE proxy-war fighting rook.

BTW: and I bet the USSA and NATO will not defeat them.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:10 | 1941696 XitSam
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Well, I stopped reading midway through the first sentence ... "NATO recently literally shot itself in the foot, ..."

Do you know what the word literally means? FYI, NATO does not have a foot.  /rant

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:15 | 1941704 CrockettAlmanac.com
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One of my pet peeves also. But the article had some good information. We learn near the end that US supplies to troops in Afghanistan will now go through Russia.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:30 | 1941728 patb
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We also learn that some will go through Bandar Abbas Iran?

 

Let me get this straight.  NATO ISAF is running logistics through Iran?  A country most of the EU is about to attack, if the Israeli's don't first.

What doesn't go through Iran, is going through Pakistan, home to Bin Laden, and the rest through Russia?  A country NATO was meant to oppose?

 

Did FDR and Churchhill contract with Mussolini to run supplies against Hitler?

 

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:36 | 1941752 Careless Whisper
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This looks very bullish for Russian Railways. Their bonds are BBB. I think this makes them a Strong Buy.

http://eng.rzd.ru/isvp/public/rzdeng?STRUCTURE_ID=157

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:10 | 1941892 CPL
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Nothing good historically has come out of the area and it has been the one region of the world (Afghanistan mountain regions) if you follow your history.  I won't say cursed, but anytime, any country wanders through the area and attempts to control it or possess it, the world power/country in question at the time runs the clock until it's obliterated and a shell of its former self.

 

Some people discuss the Bermuda triangle as a weird part of the world when things disappear.  Afghanistan is one place on the planet where civilizations disappear.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:33 | 1941972 ltsgt1
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Nothing good would come out of supporting a regime which forces a rape victim to marry the rapist.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 16:20 | 1942114 ToNYC
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Does that rule also apply to Soverign foreign powers refusing the oil exploration/pipelive/r-o-w deal that they can't refuse?

Resource rape your Mother Nature in your next-door neighbor's back yard. See how that works for you. Chat amongst yourselves if you think that might help.

Children know better.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 17:36 | 1942293 Banjo
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Then the US should NEVER have armed trained and supported the Taliban against communist Russia. Communism is very civil compared to religious fundamentalism at least you were able to sit and talk with Russians at START treaty talks and communist China is a most favoured trade partner today.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 05:59 | 1943454 Element
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You know the irony is the CIA wanted to prevent the Russians getting an Indian ocean Naval port in Pakistan.

But the way things are going now, they may get a Russian, AND a Chinese Naval port (or three) in Pakistan.

 

EEEEdiots!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 19:00 | 1942447 earleflorida
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Helen Thomas - Sensored/Career - Shut Down Permanently

"Afghanistan is the Graveyard for Empires"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Thomas

PS. while stopping over in mass. a couple years back i happened to stay at a hotel not to far from a military training base. the owner was an indian [no surprise in mass.] and i happened to notice that 75% of all the guest were pakistani air force pilots. they were being trained to fly american foreign aid military jets [f14's& Fi6's]. it was continuous training of hundreds of pilots [helicopter's also were part of traing] bused in and out in the morning and returning in late afternoon. i asked the indian proprietor how long this training has been going on [he chuckled, with a nervous kind of laugh],... taken by surprise by my off-the-cuff [direct] question, he said without hesitation for months.

thankyou i said,... while walking away from the front desk i couldn't help but notice the glaring disdain felt, from the leftover pakistani's in the lobby towards me - perhaps overhearing my query.

ps2. pakistan gets billions in foreign aid, and just perhaps they want to 'up-the-anti-abit', for much more money.

jmo   

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 20:34 | 1942644 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Come on now!?  Next your going to tell me that the alleged 9/11 hijacker pilots were trained at U. S. Military bases.  Come on now.  Our government is honest, above board and beyond reproach.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 06:01 | 1943457 Element
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You keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 19:30 | 1942518 GiantVampireSqu...
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War on terror War for resources Bitchez

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:33 | 1941963 Crassus
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We still have Russian rail bonds personally guaranteed by the tsar.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 18:20 | 1942371 Barack Obama
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Patb, you may recall Israel, the ones so worried about its motral enemy Iran, sold sophisticated antitank missles to Iran. And, Israeli banks held/hold billions of dollars
on hehalf of Yassar Arafat, the Palestinians, and other individuals and groups opposed to Israel.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 06:05 | 1943460 Element
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That was part of the game of balancing Iran against Iraq, to ensure Bagdad did not become even stronger.

Same things occurred swapping weapons for western hostages.

 

"held/hold" billions of dollars on hehalf of Yassar Arafat

 

Replace "held/hold" with froze

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:30 | 1941730 patb
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We also learn that some will go through Bandar Abbas Iran?

 

Let me get this straight.  NATO ISAF is running logistics through Iran?  A country most of the EU is about to attack, if the Israeli's don't first.

What doesn't go through Iran, is going through Pakistan, home to Bin Laden, and the rest through Russia?  A country NATO was meant to oppose?

 

Did FDR and Churchhill contract with Mussolini to run supplies against Hitler?

 

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 18:12 | 1942351 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Milo Minderbinder.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 20:03 | 1942589 knukles
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Yeah...
But Angela Merkel has a dick.
And so does Lady Gaga.
So all's well in Never Never Land
Justin Beiber and I miss Michael Jackson...

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 02:22 | 1943302 ozzzo
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If you take it literally, the author is suggesting that Pakistan is NATO's foot. A corny metaphor maybe, but not complete nonsense.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:14 | 1941702 DionysusDevotee
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I gotta say, good for them.  And, "we want an apology"?!?  Seems mind-blowingly forgiving to me.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:30 | 1941732 RealFinney
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I'm sure if Pakistani troops shot up 24 US soldiers, the Americans would be equally considerate.

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