Guest Post: The Future Of Work

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Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:28 | 1883458 TeamDepends
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Speaking of work, can someone explain what a derivatives trader does and how it could possibly benefit mankind.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:31 | 1883472 CPL
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They recycle the oxygen in their offices for the plants, although the plants are more than likely plastic replica's.


So nothing of value will be lost once the last derivatives trader is gone.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:40 | 1883532 redpill
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And do not underestimate the demographic disaster ongoing in the labor market.  While we're at the same per capita employment as we were in the late 70s when more women entered the workforce, today the people losing jobs are overwhelmingly men.  Since the start of the recession the rate of industrial employment decline for men has been a percentage three times that of women.  There are all kinds of reasons for this (men still make more on average, so you save more by laying them off, and there are more of them in hard hit industries like construction and finance).

What does this mean?  It's not good.  Unemployed women tend to go back home and attempt to save costs by doing various domestic duties that they may have otherwise paid for, and try to muddle through.  Unemployed men, feeling instinctively threatened in a lack of ability to provide, are more prone to lash out angrily, take part in increasingly desperate and/or criminal actions, or at the end of the day if things get bad enough, simply riot.  This is reality.  History has shown over and over that you do not want legions of unemployed males roaming the streets unless you're looking for a bloody revolution.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:57 | 1883622 Smiddywesson
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History has shown over and over that you do not want legions of unemployed males roaming the streets unless you're looking for a bloody revolution.

Combine that observation with millions of vets who are dumped on the streets because we can no longer afford the wars, sprinkle in a million excons we couldn't afford to warehouse, and you've got yourself a fireworks show.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:03 | 1883641 Bring the Gold
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(not directed at you Smiddy)

But if they complain about the military then they aren't really vets anymore, right? Just want to make sure I understand all the current talking points on why brutal domestic police state repression is acceptable.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:05 | 1883649 redpill
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BtG, please refer to your TSA Manual Chapter 1, Section 1, Paragraph 1.  "When in doubt, consider them domestic terrorists."

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:08 | 1883664 Oh regional Indian
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Future of work = Machines.

Future of Humans  = Batteries

Simple. If you are an energizer Bunny, massa will be good to you.


Me on You tube

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:11 | 1883682 redpill
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You'd be a rockstar at OWS.   Roll up a phatty brah

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:12 | 1883688 Oh regional Indian
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Thanks redpill. ;-)

Toke-n take-n! 


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:57 | 1883909 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Its terminator time!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:57 | 1883911 zorbathefreak
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Good stuff...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:14 | 1883998 Mountainview
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You forgot the Chinese jerks doing all the sweat jobs...We, on the otherside will scratch each others shoulder and pay us mutually $10'000.- a month...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:02 | 1884975 r00t61
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I love The Matrix too but it makes no sense to dump energy into humans to extract it from them later via their body heat.  Humans are inefficient at converting food energy, as compared, to say, generating energy via coal, wind, solar, nuclear, the list goes on and on.

If ever there were sentient machines I think they'd conclude that humans were a "pest" species that needed to be destroyed on sight, much the same way we view mosquitos and cockroaches.  But no worries.  Humanity will live on in the form of all the entertainment it has produced and recorded for posterity.  It's too easy to rip on something like Jersey Shore or Dancing With The Stars, so instead I'll rip on all the infomercial spots produced by the Home Shopping Network.

That's what will be left to discover when aliens from the Triangulum Galaxy come to visit the Terran system.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:28 | 1885087 TheMerryPrankster
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Unless you were harvesting their dreams or just liked the taste of human flesh and the crunch of bones . Zombie economy meet Alien Predators - I think I smell a 3d Spectacular.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:23 | 1885391 Carlyle Groupie
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I'm thinking you'll equate to about 3 quarts of high sulfur crude. Grade: sour. Sorry about your luck.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:28 | 1883764 Bring the Gold
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Come on red arrow, surely they pay you enough to comment? Or you are angry and stupid enough to comment. Bust it out.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:41 | 1883818 Bring the Gold
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Lol, supporting the police state and you don't have the balls to comment. Spineless coward. Not a surprise given your philosophical position.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:00 | 1883634 pasttense
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"History has shown over and over that you do not want legions of unemployed males roaming the streets unless you're looking for a bloody revolution."

This of course provides the answer to the question Chris asks about where to find employment in the future--in the police/prisons/Homeland Security sector.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:04 | 1883644 Bring the Gold
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All the things that magically are immune from any serious discussion of cuts when it comes to the budget. Isn't that special.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:30 | 1884078 MachoMan
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If the MIC and its domestic departments are the lifeblood of the printing press by ensuring the dollar/oil peg, among other things, and the printing press is the life support of the economy, then why would you ever seriously expect the MIC to be on the budgetary chopping block?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 17:15 | 1884422 malusDiaz
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....GM Motors... Ford... Crysler .... whats in common?


They make the motors that drive the MIC...


Do I win a prize? I'd like a cookie plz massa!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:17 | 1884012 trav7777
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thank you affirmative action!

Lord knows all the great inventions of the next 100 years will surely come from all these women, instead of a vapid consumer brand snob shopping culture.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:23 | 1884042 Bring the Gold
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Yeah history and life circumstances were SOO much better before the 1970's. I'm not a fan of affirmative action, but blaiming our current situation on women is pretty laughable at best.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:58 | 1884266 cynicalskeptic
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The inflation of the 70's, and the coming of age of the baby boomers led to HUGE real increases in 'household' costs.  Prices started their upward climb with Viertnam era inflation.   The entry of women into the workforce increased household income to partially offset these costs BUT two earner families also drofe some prices up shot up drastically as demand increased (moere new buyers) fought for a limited supply (and bid on houses with two incomes).  Commutes got longer as ''affordable' houses were built farther and farther from jobs.

Ther were many unintended effects:

In the past you could manage entry into the middle class on ONE salary - buy a house, car, save for kids' college.... after the 70's TWO earner families became the norm.  This allowed employers to throttle back on the raises a male would have demanded  to keep up with inflation.  Offshoring of jobs added to downward wage pressure.  Two income families became the norm.  With women's earnings an integral part of the household budget, most could not afford NOT to work.  Childrearing was now 'subcontracted out' by the middle class.  While the wealthy had always done so they had qualified help - the middle class looked for the cheapest possible option.   The societal costs of 'outsourced' parenting have been huge.   The US employs teachers and nurses from the third world to be nannies for upper middle class kids (economically a good deal for those former teachers and nurses but nodt so good for their native countries).  For others you have illegal imigrants, informal daycare and any other option you can think of.  

Overall, we've been conned.  In 1950 you could have a good life on one salary, worked reasonable hours, had steady employment with the promise of a pension, could put your children through college - after which they'd get a better job than you had.  Now BOTH parents work (together or divorced) and do so for longer hours.  Retirement is likely to be unwanted - a layoff in your 50's with minimal 401K 'savings' instead of a pension.  Your children are in hock for the rest of their lives to pay for a college education which too often has done nothing to make them more employable.   We have more 'stuff' but our lives aren't really all that much 'better.' Families have two cars (so both parents can get to work) dishwashers (beacuse Mom is too tired to wash plates at home after work).  TV's and computers keep kids entertained and parents distracted.  Restaurants boomed as people were too rushed to shop and cook meals at home.   You had a nominal overall increase in household income and decreases in the prices of much of the 'stuff' we buy (now made overseas) but on a net basis, we've been falling behind.  

The rich have gotten a LOT richer while the rest of us are lucky to be treading water.  Many are drwoning - no lifevests and exhausted they're going under for good.  


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 18:00 | 1884727 MachoMan
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So where is the con in all of this?  Did I not consciously decide to buy the third ipad so that i could have one in the bathroom while I take my shit?  Were the cumulative misallocations of wages for the last 40 years the product of a con or were people simply poor stewards of their own resources?

The other aspect is that what you are describing was a one-off period of time...  it too was unsustainable...  the concept of being able to send all your kids to college and them earn a higher wage than you, OF COURSE THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE...  that isn't a con...

you're dancing around it...  citing some symptoms...  but you're not describing any con.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:00 | 1884964 blunderdog
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Declining wages are considered a "con," but only by the people who work for wages. 

In a market, of course, there are always two sides to these equations. 

Lower wages are better for profits.  So that's a "pro" if you benefit from increased profit and are unaffected by reduced wages.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:23 | 1885263 Medea
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What an ignorant, dogmatic response to such a thoughtful post.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:47 | 1886728 MachoMan
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If you care to actually address the merits, I'm game...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:17 | 1885020 Bring the Gold
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The "con" was inflation due to money printing for guns and butter. Women working was only a problem due to women being paid less. Also you ignore the peak in domestic oil production, the recovery of Europe and Japan and their entry into the marketplace with cheaper labor and new infrastructure ie various historical forces. All those things that you cite are actually the Upper Class manipulating things for THEIR benefit. It's scapegoating arguments or at best chivalrous desire to protect women from the workplace.

This has nothing to do with women working and everything to do with masterful, cynical manipulation by the rentier class (the epic bond holders and stock holders of the major Central Banks). Women working is a positive thing, outsourcing of childcare was not. Using women working as a scapegoat is a further deflection by the manipulator class to prey upon men who feel justifiably victimized by their labor being made worth less.

However, to lay the blame at the feet of the Chinese worker, the Mexican illegal or women is to miss what's happened and fall into the tried a true scapegoat trap. It's not the fault of those groups, its the fault of the same group it always is, the REAL decision makers and I don't mean their political frontmen.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:34 | 1883491 Robot Traders Mom
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@TeamDepends-I think you know the answer to that. All of us in finance, whether we are trying to do the right thing or not, are blood sucking leaches. Plain and simple. We get paid to move money around.


It makes zero fucking sense why a financial advisor can be compensated more than a doctor.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:05 | 1883647 Hippocratic Oaf
Hippocratic Oaf's picture on. It's called reading right to left. I only care what the fuckin' vig is.

My wife asks me "How was work today?" I tell her I didn't cure cancer.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:07 | 1883659 El Viejo
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It's a Darwinian playground. Soon all jobs will be in finance.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:35 | 1883500 Marco
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Being counterparty to physical hedging and currency derivatives for actual producers is valuable I guess ... of course that's only a minute part of volume.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:57 | 1883619 Gully Foyle
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The story is set in a dystopian future in which an overpopulated world solves the problem by allocating people only one day per week. For the rest of the six days they are 'stoned,' a kind of suspended animation.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:59 | 1883632 Smiddywesson
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Carousel.  You get 28 years, no more, no less.   

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:13 | 1883678 Potemkin Villag...
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Didn't Jabba the Hut do that to Han Solo? (I think it was over a 'debt repayment' issue)...

In any case, most of medicated America is pretty much 'stoned' 7 days a week as is...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:22 | 1883734 sasebo
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They gamble with other people's medium of exchange to acquire some medium of exchange so they can buy some stuff produced by entretreneurs & their workers without producing anything themselves. Kinda like a parasite.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:31 | 1883462 Waffen
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Engine Repair?
Raising chickens?

I am thinking post Local Grocery world.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:45 | 1883564 Sudden Debt
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I'm thinking more Cold War:


Unemployed? => ARMY FOR 2 YEARS!



Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:00 | 1883633 Bring the Gold
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How about saving costs on Medicare/Medicaid by drafting old people, preferably those who earn $1,500,000+ a year, then you cut down on Social Security payments as well. Those young people haven't paid anything into the system and aren't going to receive payouts for a long time. You want to balance the budget? Send old rich folks to war.


Oh right, you are probably old and want young people to be sent into the jaws of war for your personal profit. Gotcha.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:21 | 1883728 Sudden Debt
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I'm 36 :)

Nop, draft was fun! The Belgium army isn't exactly your war and fighting machine you know :)

Beer in the morning, Beer at noon, Beer at the evening!

Your BASIC 3 B's so to speak ;)

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:26 | 1883754 Bring the Gold
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Ah ok, US military is a tad different especially with multiple wars raging.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:40 | 1883803 Sudden Debt
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Hey! Don't underestimate our army!

We've been at wars to!

Just a few months ago, there was this Belgium soldier on television who said that when he was in Lybia, that he got shot at and that he could hear the bullet pass by!!!

Our minister of Defense almost had to resign because he put our armed forces into danger. That evil beast!!

I wonder when they'll make a movie from his encounter with near death.



Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:28 | 1884069 Potemkin Villag...
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Bullets? Wow!

So now that he has carnal knowledge in the school of gangbanging, would you say he's more 'crippin' or 'bloodin'?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:39 | 1883806 Potemkin Villag...
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The Belgium army isn't exactly your war and fighting machine

That must explain the 'miserable & fat' part...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:46 | 1883857 Sudden Debt
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Yeah.... said by a English moron....

you just took away the humor dude.

English farts are all what's wrong with normal people. I'm not even going to sum up everything what's wrong with those people.

I'll only sum up for what they're good at.

Here it comes:  ..... ..... .....


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:21 | 1884031 DoChenRollingBearing
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You are in excellent form today Sudden Debt!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:32 | 1884095 Potemkin Villag...
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Sorry man... Just funnin' (at your expense I'm sorry to say - so sorry about that)... But I can never pass up a good moment to insert a old Monty Python clip...

No offense - Call it a defect...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:37 | 1884135 MachoMan
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For any better than ya'll are at fighting, you sure can make some nice firearms.







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