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Off topic, but WTF just happened in crude?
Down...QE3 loves me not...Up...QE3 loves me...
Nonsense! Crude is down because the market is FINALLY pricing in our congress' pledge to reduce American dependence on foreign oil. This will be ahieved under the wise guidance of the department of energy. The rally we just had was a result of market fears that crazies like ron paul were going to end that very department and sabbotage these efforts.
Welcome back Hamy/Harry Wanger. Did you have a nice vacation?
Brent is at $109/bbl - that's "down?"
This troll has some potential, but for now I reserve judgment.
New Libyan Constitution will be based on Shari Law. Oil will now be used as a weapon of economic destruction of the West.
In the meantime Obama uses the EPA for the continued destruction of domestic energy production. The USA is being placed between the Anvil and hammer.
Does Sharia law even matter to you? It shouldn't unless Bill O'Reilly tells you it should.
Oil has not and will not be used as a "weapon of economic destruction." Of course OPEC will tighten the screws and raise prices, but only because the dollar is debased. If they really wanted to screw us, they would start trading it in gold. I really wouldn't blame them either.
Yeah, the EPA really protected Americans from all the corexit dumped on the Gulf last year. I really think they have our best green interests at heart.
Where's your son at? We're really missing him these days. I'm in desperate need of my favourite dumb money indicator. Also, I promise not to beat him up any more.
He's actually starting his second sophomore year of HS. He got held back last year. The school counselor labeled him as "functionally retarded."
Ask yerself WHY did WE help the rebels overthrow Gadafffyduck, to replace him with a wad of turds, that are HELL BENT on taking over not only the world, but us as well.
WHY isn't anyone asking these questions?.Can't be OIL,Gadaffy at least sold it to us,these radical Sharia murdering bstds will likely NOT.
I wrote yesterday....S&P500 low 666, S&P500 drop 6.66%, BAC close 6.66. All just a co-incidence?
No brother this is no coinkydink, satan is ready to make his grand entrance but he's sending his proxy the talking serpent. By all means if you see a talking snake with the face of glen beck cut the head off that motherfucker.
Not a fan of Beck, but whatever you think of him, he called a lot of shots before they happened.And he taught more Americans via the historical programs their heritage than ANY other MSM programs you ever saw, or will.
The truth will set you free.So,he's a Mormon, so what.....his business,I ain't(to use a colloquialism) a LDS.
One thing they do, is take care of family,believe in being prepared,live clean,decent lives,contribute to society,( As do that subversive group called the BOY SCOUTS), and they love this country.
Why is he a MF?,what did he do so bad, that could compare to what we have lauding power over us now.
Your seriously off base about most of your attack.
not to mention that beanie he wears when he visits israhell.
I personally saw beck on his fox show say that the"japanese may have avoided fukushima if they had a better relationship with god". He didnt same the same for the joplin disaster. maybe if the people in the bible belt.....
Mormons also have No Problem defrauding non-mormons And marrying the daughters of 18 of their buddies and then surviving on Food Stamps.
Chief agree with Tyler. Relocate to rural area with land, food, water.
Chief specialize in selling land like this: http://sotcksdairyroadfarm.blogspot.com/
Gee Chief....take a look at the masses living across the street....not an ideal retreat....looks more like a large parcel of land in an urban area...
Not true. The development next door is 1/2 acre lots with average homes. I would urge you to check the demographics of Lee County GA. Around 30,000 people... IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY!
There are also smaller more rural tracts available.
Eat your peas!
I am The Chief
Until Stewart Rhodes and Oathkeepers help Charles Dyer, AKA July4Patriot, escape from federal tyranny and being incarcerated or killed for trumped up charges he can STFU.
You know the govt is just waiting to infiltrate these groups and brand them domestic terrorists...
If things keep going the way they are going, if they try to do this, they are going to run out of FBI agents real fast.
FBI agents can be useful converts. :)
They (we've) already been branded as Terrorists. I've been told that there would come a day in which "They will call that which is evil good and that which is good evil". That day is here. Sticks and stones, Bitchez.
Bingo. Safe havens cannot be safe unless they are also stealth havens. At least in the near term. Smart "clans" know to keep stuff off of electronic media.
The cities are the place to be because that is where the political power lies.
The rural areas lack the votes to even keep the food they grow.
ANYONE who says to retreat to a rural area because there is food there is a fool. They think food magically grows itself in the absence of petrochemical agriculture? In Argentina's collapse the lights stayed on in the city, police services stayed in the city. These things were often nonexistent in rural areas because those people lack votes and power.
The notion that city dwellers are going to roam the countryside looking for food...where does this stupid shit come from? I am tired of idiotic articles like this from TD day in and day out from morons thinking we collapse to MadMax and everything just goes to shit and you can hide in a bunker somewhere with a bunch of canned ham.
This wont be limited to one area, it will be nation no, world wide. Food doesnt grow itself, no one will be bailing us out.
The cities may do ok at first, but someone has to grow the food and import it, when governments try to take farms by force you end up with Zimbabwe, where the takers dont know wtf they are doing and the food dries up.
This isnt mad max but it wont be 1930's deppression, it will be somewhere in between and its going to be very fucked up.
Major cities will NOT do well, especially 'at first'
Any place with over 500k will be a cesspool in a week. Hell, most of them already are.
Stop trucking food in and trucking out garbage, then wait. Riots in 12 hours, overrun hospitals in 18, exodus in 48.
Cities around 30k, where people actually know their neighbors, and are not just a suburb of a dying inner city, may do OK.
Are you saying you don't like canned ham?
No canned hams!
lol. Sorry, didn't meat to offend. :)
food not only grows itself "magically" without "petrochemicals" it grows with more nutrition and calorie returned on investment. The only difference is human labor, knowlege and scale. But as you know, oil (which is quickly running down) has replaced that labor. Oil has also replaced our common knowlege of these basic skills of survival. We will definitely have to produce food within and around our cities but we will also be producing our food within a short delivery range and on much smaller local scales without petrochemicals because we will have no other choice. For thousands of years, we have produced food by emulating nature. Only recently have we turned to raping it. That is all about to change. And whether we do that in "the city" or "the country," the necessity is the same. And the sooner we re-educate these skills and reallocate these resources, the less Max will come calling.
+10 at least, Davey. Too many people think we care about "not having enough votes to keep our food" -- really? You think we care what a dysfunctional government and people vote? We just sell it to dumb city dwellers when we don't need as much as we make, and you can pay too much for it, else we keep it ourselves. And then we'll let you keep your exported garbage and pollution in the bargain.
And, contrary to popular belief, for most of mankind's recorded history, women were able to have babies without comprehensive health care in hospitals, and we were growing food right along and getting plenty without all that crap. Many of us have retained or regained the arcane knowledge it takes to be able to do without quite a lot of modern "necessity". Some even know how to make cost effective use of horses (not hobby horse farmers). We know how to farm, how to shoot, how to make ammo, even make the guns (I'm a gunsmith along with the rest and I don't sell them cheap either). The Amish won't even notice much if our vaunted civilization completely bites the dust.
And we know how to stay under the radar. It'd be pretty stupid to have big public meetings, bylaws, advertise our readiness when so many aren't and won't be, and we're not stupid. No hate-shouting knuckle draggers in camo for us -- not the point. Neigbors might discuss or barter over coffee now and then, and know who to trust and work with later, is all. It'd be hard even for the PTB to stretch just being ready for bad times into terrorism, though they'll probably make the attempt if they get a slow news day.
We don't give the government even the credit of talking against them. We just ignore them. Fitting thing to do with idiots -- just let them go their own way to their own fate.
It's good for us if people like Trav stay in their putrid cities. We might be willing to feed and help the smart ones - most of us are ready for more than just our own support needs, but the rest are just a waste of effort or maybe ammo.
I've been working an angle with some friends where we may feed some of the city rubes as long as they agree to leave the area.
Of course, you can't just come out and tell them that.
'there is more 20 miles that way (away from our location). Obama just announced it was flown in over night. This PB&J should get you there if you start walking now'.
"The notion that city dwellers are going to roam the countryside looking for food...where does this stupid shit come from?"
Exactly this happened here in NL at the end of WW2.
uh...that famine was as a result of a German blockade.
if the oil "runs out" you're gonna need more than a fuckin garden. everybody is going to need 5+ acres.
not true with year round (Eliot Coleman) and permaculture (Gai's Garden et al) techniques. You're thinking in "modern" non-productive terms. Diversity can be produced in small communities then bartered and traded around. Beyond survival, not only a way out and around of the courupt criminal inflated fiat system but peak energy and peak debt forces us down to small community scale. There are many sites devoted to a quickly growing urban agriculutre community. The City of Detroit is about to set aside 30,000 acres that is otherwise sitting idle. Hell most of Detroit is sitting idle. But before Henry Ford starting assembling, that greater area was some of the most fertile land around. Our american cars may be worthless but the land they are built on may return as our most vital resource.
have you ever grown food or studied techniques?
What is your point?
What caused the shortages only loosely correlates to what desperate hungry people do.
Yes, if there is no oil, you need more labor and farmland per person.
With this in mind it is even more likely that city folk will resort to begging/theft/murder in the countryside.
In the best case scenario they will come with a "Will work for food" attitude.
Wrong. The cause of shortage might determine what desperate hungry people are able to do.
It is pure madness (but sanity by US standard) to compare a warzone with what could happen in the US in case of societal collapse.
The German army was desesperate too. Their actions were different from what some other desesperate people did.
This army excluded other desperate people from achieving certain moves.
Once again, unsurprisingly, US citizens are acted by their paranoia. They focused on the irrelevant details to miss the bigger pictures.
Desesperate people act with different means. US citizens mania to focus on meaningless desesperate people is pathetic as it stretches so much commonly known reality.
If I understand correctly, the US southern border part and the big cities have a big gang problem. If law enforcement were to lose influence during a period of massive poverty, the gang wars could become civil wars. How those civil wars will play out is unpredictable.
But yeah, yeah the situation will be different everywhere. I'm just saying that trav7777's original comment is folly because it ignores historical precedent and unknown variables.
Wonderful how US citizens keep focusing on minor details, due to their paranoia, even when they are pointed their gross mistakes.
So they depict a situation of desperation for all and keep seeing who they want to see as desesperate.
The Police, the Law enforcement, the Military will be desesperate as the others. Removing them from the equation is only US citizenish, that is totally devoid of any actual ground.
You'd be surprised how much can be grown in a small organically composted raised bed.
Meh, it's a toss up, I say it's more about what the individual wants/desires and is capable of. From the peoples accounts in the cities of Argentina there will be different but just as many if not more problems in the cities. From what I remember they said to make your home a bunker (bars on windows, a fence/gate), the cops ain't coming, the power will be sporadic and carry heat all the time cause you're going to get robbed/mugged. Stuff is going to be scarce so have things of need to barter.
Well I don't know much about Argentina. But I do know something about the former Yugoslavia and USSR. I have many friends from Yugoslavia, and in their own words: "The people who had guns, lived in the country, and knew manual trades became the winners. Those who spent their lives at a desk in the city, became the losers."
I also have many friends who were affected by the collapse of the ruble. The 'datcha" (country home), became a prized asset.
and when the shit hit the fan, people turned to their gardens.
lol...ever actually BEEN to yugoslavia? Belgrade is still there, as are all the other cities. Fuck, even Beirut is still there.
People who lived in the country got run off their property by advancing albanians and kosovars. I know bosnian serbs who went from having all of this property you speak of to living in a car just due to the vagueries of war.
Putting a tent stake down is not a good idea...and if you want power and lights and protection from warlords for the most part, the city is where you end up - JUST LIKE IN THE THIRD WORLD NOW where things are already in many cases far enough gone to begin with that they look like MadMax to the average American.
I wonder wtf you guys do with your vacations if not travel and see places. There are right now, today, a ton of areas where people are living in what you would consider madmax.
Not sure what Yugoslavia has to do with the topic. That was a war not a currency melt down. What I expect is an implosion, not an explosion.
When this shit implodes the dollar will become even more worthless and people will simply stop accepting it as currency. That means that those who bank on being able to buy everything they need won't. And hungry people will strike out, like they always do in search of food.
Happened in Germany, Austria, Hungary, Argentina, Zimbabwe..... Rural peoples aren;t going to be forced off their land by invading Albanians or Costa Ricans. They will face danger from the roving bands just as they did in the Weimar but if I have to bet, I'll bet on the rural folk to hold their own and protect their shit because they are at least prepared and will have the advantage of defending rather than attacking.
I know it will take one large, fast and well armed group to get past the defensive positions 4 of us could take up on my easily defensible property. And I have to imagine that the hungry masses of looters will be looking not for a fight or a head full of lead but for easy pickings.
I love owning the high ground!
So go ahead and turn off the electricty. I can survive far longer without that than you can without food and once you keel over I will vote to turn my electricity back on.
Maybe if you READ and COMPREHENDED the article, you would not post such garbage. (No one is forcing you to read a damn thing) These are NOT compounds. These are NOT bunkers with people hiding with food. READ THE DAMN THING! I can assure you of one thing: IF the worst comes to pass, it will be crap like you who will be demanding the SOCIALIZATION of people's preparations.
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