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Guest Post: The Ghost Of The Bundesbank Haunting The Halls Of Brussels

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From Alexander Gloy of Lighthouse Investment Management

The Ghost Of The Bundesbank Haunting The Halls Of Brussels

In his book “More money than God”, Sebastian Mallaby describes how George Soros received a signal from Helmut Schlesinger (president of Bundesbank at that time), to go ahead and speculate on a devaluation of the Italian Lira and the British Pound.

Germany had enjoyed a boost from the integration of Eastern Germany, which, partially due to a generous 1:1 exchange offer for the Eastern German Mark, led to unacceptably high inflation. Despite numerous warnings from the Bundesbank, fiscal policies did nothing to reign into the growing threat to price stability. Seeing its advice ignored, the Bundesbank fought back and raised its discount rate all the way to 8.75%.

This caused problems for other European countries, who were forced to follow the Bundesbank unless they wanted to risk a weakening of their currencies. They had to apply a restrictive monetary policy despite their own economies just recovering from the recession of the early 90?s.

According to Mallaby, British finance minister Lamont had insulted Schlesinger at a meeting, trying to extract a promise to cut German interest rates. Despite Schlesinger’s refusal, Lamont led the press to believe Schlesinger had made concessions.

The “payback” didn’t wait for long; Schlesinger publicly denied any intention of cutting rates. He also expressed low confidence in the fixed relationships among European currencies, particularly the “unsoundness” of the Italian Lira.

This was the go-ahead for George Soros to attack the European Exchange Rate Mechanism. Mallaby:

“Schlesinger’s answer was as clear as Soros could have wished for. The Bundesbank was open to the idea of monetary union, but not at any price. It’s first priority was to preserve the proud tradition of the inflation-proof Deutsche Mark, and if other economies could not stomach the austerity this implied, well, then they should devalue.”

“Soros suspected that Schlesinger would be perfectly content to see his hard line on inflation sabotage the plans for European monetary union, since that union would involve the creation of a European central bank, which would supplant the Bundesbank.”

“All bureaucracies are motivated by self-preservation, Soros reflected, and Schlesinger, a career Bundesbank official, was surely the personification of this tendency.” 

Ironically, 20 years later, a similar setup emerges, albeit with (so far) fixed exchange rates. While Germany enjoys the lowest unemployment rate of the last two decades, its European trading partners are re-entering into recession.

In the run-up to the umpteenth Euro-summit last week, most market participants expected the ECB to “reward” politicians with the long-awaited “all-in” action of purchasing increasing amounts of PIIGS government debt.

If you haven’t done so, I recommend listening to the ECB press conference Q&A session (16 minutes into the webcast). Draghi expresses surprise about market expectations the ECB would step up bond purchases after the summit. Draghi subsequently repels any attempt at extracting any concessions whatsoever.

Minute 36: “Why is it so impossible for the ECB to act like the other central banks? –” We have a treaty: price stability and no monetary financing”

Minute 59: “Why wouldn’t it be okay for Euro-zone central banks to lend to the IMF?” – “I think each central bank has its institutional set-up. The primary mandate of the ECB is price stability. In the US the primary mandate of the Fed is completely different from us. Same is for the Bank of England”.

Draghi left no room for ambiguity or interpretation. Every single attempt to extract some hope of monetary creation was cut up, diced and discarded. It couldn’t have been clearer. Draghi mentioned the “principles of the Bundesbank”. The spirit clearly lives on. Those that claim the Bundesbank intentionally encouraged speculators to attack the British Pound in order to expel it from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism in 1992 might find another example of “creative destruction” in front of their disbelieving eyes.

How this could be good for equities (Friday’s rally) is a mystery to me. But then again, the S&P 500 celebrated a new all-time high in October 2007, mere four weeks before the official start of the “great recession”.

The answer to the question “why would the Bundesbank intentionally crash the Euro” lies in the TARGET2 system of intra-Euro central bank payments. Izabella Kaminska of FT Alphaville describes how the Bundesbank has run out of assets to sell in order to fund other Euro-zone central banks. This in itself is quite amazing. The Bundesbank and the Dutch Central Bank seem to be financing the entire Euro-zone central bank system. As the music stops, the Bundesbank is taking away all chairs at the same time.

Merkozy are still trying to save the Euro by severe austerity at the last minute, but it is too late. Financial markets have already revolted and put countries in various buckets via yield curve “triage”:

The ghost of the Bundesbank has reappeared, this time under the disguise of an Italian. Ignore its powers at your own peril.

 

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Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:26 | 1971425 trav7777
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Ghosts bitchez

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:33 | 1971456 sqz
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Excellent article. Though the Bundesbank has a lot more sterilization tricks up its sleeve than just potentially running out of Bunds to offer the market.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:47 | 1971529 vast-dom
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Agreed. They will get re-creative and buy more time. Where/when is true resistance before crash is the question........

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 18:48 | 1971868 fx
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The article is factually wrong - and not just in - unimportant - details. There was no 1:1exchange rate. It was 1:1 for the FIRST 3.000 DDR-Marks and 1:2 thereafter (and for all insurance contracts and the likes). 1:3 for money held abroad. And while it was 1:1 for wages and pensions you have to keep in mind that both were just a tiny fraction of West German wages and pensions. In effect, the situation was win-win for west german corporations and two-edged for east german people: East german comsumers got plenty of money to shop in west german consumer goods corporations, car sellers etc (there was no amazon around back then). While at the same time the sudden spike in wages and costs and export prices bankrupted almost the entire east german export industry overnight (leaving the field wide open for their west-german competitors to eat their lunch and/or take them over for next to nothing.) As a result, millions of east germans lost their jobs (that's the two-edged sword)

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:46 | 1971527 spekulatn
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Beware bitchez.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:48 | 1971538 Michael
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Abby Joseph Cohen of the squid just said the S&P is 30% undervalued. That's the sell signal, she's the best contra-indicator I ever knew. The S&P really is 30% overvalued. Sell, Sell, Sell.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:23 | 1971646 Ned Zeppelin
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That Cohen guy doesn't know shit.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:26 | 1971426 slewie the pi-rat
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i'm pretty sure that is tyler under the sheet, BiCheZ!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 00:09 | 1972719 Aguadulce
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1200 thread count, bitchez

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:26 | 1971428 SheepDog-One
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Overall the biggest shame to me is how we have some shadowy maniacal looking old lunatic like Soros lording over the world economy and banking system pulling all the strings...why is it allowed?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:38 | 1971482 trav7777
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he has important relatives

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:45 | 1971523 SheepDog-One
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Well thats what Im talking about. Why?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:14 | 1971592 bob_dabolina
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He's making a sardonic jewish reference. 

Schwartz is Soros' birth name.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:19 | 1971630 macholatte
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Georgie is a Jew turned Nazi. His "relatives" are from the Third Reich and the London School of Economics where the Fabians hang out.

 

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  • Glibness and Superficial Charm
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    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
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Mon, 12/12/2011 - 18:00 | 1971756 Zero Govt
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think i tick about 60% of those boxes

is the list definitive or can i ask for a re-count?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 19:30 | 1971989 slewie the pi-rat
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borderline is good!

i was sooo relieved to get to the end and not see anything about parking tickets, library fines, or jury duty...

actually, these character traits are not uncommon at all...

...especially on zeroHedge!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 19:53 | 1972069 gmrpeabody
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I have an ex that fits most of those traits. Oh hell..., more like all of them.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 19:32 | 1971997 Don Birnam
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I was going to say that this sounds like the description of both the Goldman Sachs body of managing directors, and most Congressmen.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 01:55 | 1972910 dinastar2
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Thank you dear psychopath to release your criminal instinct on the jews, we waited since 1945 for another part of your centuries-old play .

Listen, you can find me easily- the jew -if you step into my neighbourhood : I have a long nose , cutting as a circumciser knife

I will help you get your futile shmock sized to a reasonnable proportion, maybe the shock will rebalance your sick brain 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:39 | 1971485 Deadpool
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cause he got the $ and the Dem party in his pocket. Would be Murcoch if not for the socialists winning.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:46 | 1971528 SMG
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A fitting role for a man who believes he is a god.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:26 | 1971429 mktsrmanipulated
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must be another bs rumor mkt running back up now

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:34 | 1971466 junkyardjack
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The reality of a margin hike and no new printing will fix it

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:15 | 1971601 hedgeless_horseman
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must be another bs rumor mkt running back up now

A U-shaped valley, also known as a glacial trough, is one formed by the process of Fed manipulation. It has a characteristic U-shape, with steep, straight sides, and a flat bottom. Glaciated valleys are formed when a Fed trading desk supports the market after a morning selloff, then ramps equities at the end of the day, carving a valley through the middle of short sellers' accounts by the action know as scouring. When the Fed's bid recedes or thaws, the valley remains, often littered with stop losses, margin calls, and evening market reports that sound more hopeful and less dire.  Government researchers believe that during the holidays this runoff can support hours of online shopping that will pay corporate dividends downstream. 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:45 | 1971711 CPL
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+1000 internets for you...

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 19:03 | 1971908 richard in norway
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hey i can see my house!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:28 | 1971437 DoChenRollingBearing
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Our 10 year bonds are about at 2% as well.  But are we better off than Germany?  One could say yes we are, but the other case is that we are not.  Both are plausible.

A Bearing is not really capable of answering this question, even with my (generously given) two and a half working neurons...

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:44 | 1971459 bob_dabolina
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Our 10 year being at 2% is not good. 

We are accumulating debt faster than we ever have in history (over 4 trillion just under Obama). When our rates go up the cost of servicing that debt sky rockets and we end up like Greece.

It's a good high now but that hangover is gona' be a bitch. We will either have a massive forced reduction in the size of government (austerity) or we get hyperinflation from printing. Eitherway when it happens, it will happen fast and furious. 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:45 | 1971522 blu
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My sense is that the Fed is betting that if the same story plays out in Euroland first then the follow-on rioting and warfare will mean that on the whole the US position is improved without lifting a finger. Well, that is if you don't count the middle finger.

In any race to the bottom the winner is the one that arrives last.

I think the Fed have probably called it correctly. Europe is toast, our debt will become cheap or free, and the Big Reset will cut 200 years of chains. I don't like it, I wish things had been managed differently. But for 200 years we've been dealing with how these kleptocrats "manage" things and I don't see that changing until we start to skid off the road on the falling side of peak oil. At which point the Fed is going to realize that massive entropy awaits all at the bottom regardlles who arrives last.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:51 | 1971537 bob_dabolina
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And what happens AFTER Europe and people start looking at the US?

Just because we're the shiniest turd in the punch bowl at the moment doesn't mean we will always be.

Even if rates went to just historical norms we would have trouble servicing the debt.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:56 | 1971563 GeneMarchbanks
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'And what happens AFTER Europe and people start looking at the US?'

They can always deflect attention away from themselves and onto... say... the UK.

Then you can watch London riots this upcoming Spring on CNN, that should boost ratings and GDP, two birds right there.

You're welcome.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:58 | 1971576 bob_dabolina
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At somepoint you gotta' pay the bill and we're no different. 

Whether we turn into a pumpkin @ 12:00am or 1:00am is irregardless. The bill will come due. 

 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:01 | 1971588 GeneMarchbanks
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You haven't paid a bill yet my friend, the squinty eyed ones keep ordering drinks.

You're very different. At least militarily.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:03 | 1971595 blu
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They will have to bring their own bullets to that party.

Europe is on the falling side of a very long imperialist run. Much of their current wealth was accumulated over 500 years and came from countries that today can defend themselves. They will be forced to write-off their debt owed at a penny on the dollar, and take what they can get of their past imperialist glory into their own new Middle Ages of lowered expectations and localized economy, from which they will never emerge.

But that's actually good news for them. They will be the first to deal with the collapse of energy.

A few minor wars and perhaps a plague down the road, I think the Europeans will be doing just fine. In a couple generations Europe should be a pleasant place, even for the serfs.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:20 | 1971635 trav7777
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fucking bullshit, but whatever.

You idjits with your asinine ideas about how raw materials useless to natives were somehow "plundered" and then turned into useful manufactured articles by some sort of "theft" process....

Manhattan was useless to the injuns, that's why they took $5 for it.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 18:04 | 1971769 blu
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I wasn't taking sides, just stating facts. It's all in the history books.

Spain was at one time among the richest countries in the world, second only perhaps to Italy (well really the Pope) at the time. But they didn't get rich selling goat milk and dates. Spain got almost all their gold from conquering the stone age Aztecs and pillaging Mexico. Under the pious Phillip II a lot of that gold eventually went into making the Spanish Armada to be aimed at Protestant England, a good part of which fleet the English privateer Sir Frances Drake promptly sank at their moorings. So much for Spanish dreams of conquering apostate England in the name of the Pope; they could only plunder the Aztecs once.

Every nation enjoys their day. But only once. That is what comes from living on speculation.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:29 | 1971444 machineh
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If you plotted the Greek yield curve on the same graph, it would be located on the ceiling above your screen. ;-)

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:29 | 1971445 Comay Mierda
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George Soros = king of insider trading

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:34 | 1971460 GeneMarchbanks
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Actually his theory of reflexivity and writings on strategy are interesting. His books are awful garbage though.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:46 | 1971526 kito
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soros just bought up 2 billion of european bonds from mf....what does he know that we dont?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:30 | 1971446 GeneMarchbanks
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Yes, that felonious Bundesbank, how dare they throw a monkey-wrench into Obama's second term...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/11/world/europe/euro-crisis-pits-germany-...

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:30 | 1971449 CvlDobd
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It's 3:30. Know where your SSO is?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:35 | 1971464 Sudden Debt
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I would like 4 toasts for breakfast tomorrow morning and a hard and soft boiled egg.

and some fries... I just love fries!

 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:47 | 1971530 SheepDog-One
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No McRib?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:58 | 1971574 Sudden Debt
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I don't eat ribs before 10'o clock in the morning. I'm pretty strickt about that one.

 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:34 | 1971465 canuck
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Without doubt a dumb question but - if the euro zone breaks up, what happens to all the bank lending from the ECB? 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:38 | 1971478 Deadpool
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picture giant toilet flushing.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:00 | 1971582 Sudden Debt
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Step 1: They increase their dividends to 10% of cap

Step 2: Increase bonusses of all employees

Step 3: Blame somebody

 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:36 | 1971467 Johnny B Good
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Here we go again with the Wall-Street Crack addicts looking for the next shot.

 

The Bundesbank has it exactly right. This may be a severe crisis, but if we learn our lesson and start living within our means, and especially free ourselves from the enslavement to the financial Sector, it will be the last crisis in this fashion.

 

Of course we can cure the withdrawal symptoms by just getting the next shot but after that we will still be addicted, still live our lifes like a raccoon in a dumpster and continue in our downward spiral. Shot for Shot in a vicious circle.

And to the Bankers out there: You better stop wondering where the next million is coming from and start worriing about what will happen if the people find out what you did to them for the last 3 years. Better start running while still ahead boys.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:40 | 1971491 trav7777
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There's an entire TV channel essentially devoted to replaying Germany's last attempt at ridding themselves of the shackles of this enslavement system

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:44 | 1971507 Johnny B Good
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"Three Times is the Charm" as they say.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:45 | 1971521 Vergeltung
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Volk ans gewehr!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:36 | 1971470 blu
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+1 Interesting

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:36 | 1971472 mktsrmanipulated
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es rips but euro is gonna close under the 1.32 mark first time since oct....look out below

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:39 | 1971479 bob_dabolina
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George Soros' real last name is Schwartz

I wonder if he was just trying to be clever by changing his last name to a palindrome. He should have changed his name to Racecar.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:39 | 1971484 mktsrmanipulated
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the us equity mkt is f'ng a joke

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:45 | 1971494 Everybodys All ...
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it's not a market ... it's a system.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:48 | 1971536 SheepDog-One
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US equity markets are now just a shadow puppet show up on the curtain to keep the sheeple subdued.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:40 | 1971487 junkyardjack
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Is it time to go Long the Euro? Are we going to see a bounce or a pounding right through

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:40 | 1971489 slaughterer
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Santa comin to town... or at least ES.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:40 | 1971490 canuck
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I'll answer my own question: the ECB takes the collateral.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:41 | 1971493 hollowbody
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And just like those ghosts haunting Victorian photos, on the night LaMont made his 'Black Wednesday' announcement there's another figure in the background, none other than his just out of short trousers assistant, a certain David Cameron......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6560000/newsid_6563000/6563031.s...

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:50 | 1971546 blu
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Amazing. This is when you start to realize that these games have been on for a century at least. I figure, two centuries. The players hardly change, and the roles really never do.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:41 | 1971498 Odin
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Anyone got a scope on today's ramp up?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:42 | 1971505 digitlman
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usual post-3:30 bullshit rally?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:42 | 1971501 mktsrmanipulated
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there be another sell off of ES at 4:14

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:44 | 1971510 mktsrmanipulated
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FOMC day tomorrow along with Italian bond auction

 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:44 | 1971513 TK7936
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Thats a nice picture of a Ghost. Otherwise this article is completly made up. You didnt even get the east mark exchange right, it was 1 to 3 not 1 to 1.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:04 | 1971599 Sancho Ponzi
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No, it was 1 for 1.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:45 | 1971518 Odin
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lol its probably just people buying expecting some late breaking hopium by this point...

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:49 | 1971542 SheepDog-One
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Trying to front-run timing of the expected market close rumor dump....yea pathetic.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:47 | 1971525 Rynak
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Good article. The only really naive part in it, is the assumption that REAL german unemployment actually fell that much in such a short time.

Hint: It didn't. Widespread and massive changes were applied in that timespan, regarding handling of the "unemployment issue". In fact, the entire system that deals with unemployed, got replaced alltogether.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:32 | 1971679 supermaxedout
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There were indeed many changes introduced over the last ten years,

But nevertheless there is already a labor shortage in Germany since one year. Immigration rules for non EU nationals were softened and there is a already a steady growing immigration of labor force from EU countries. Young professionals from Spain, Italy, Greece move to Germany in the hope to get a job.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:50 | 1971539 non_anon
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Who ya' gonna' call?

Ghostbusters!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9We2XsVZfc

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:50 | 1971544 canuck
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pump, pump

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:54 | 1971558 Nawaralsaadi
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France never reallyh gave up on ECB monatization, should France be downgraded and their yileds spiking, there will be tremndous pressure on the ECB to print and for Germany to allow it to print; Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy may accept Germany forcing them into submission, France wont and there you will have the real clash awating Europe in 2012.

 

 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:54 | 1971562 slaughterer
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The EUR/USD traders have the 1.32 option pinned for tomorrow close, but the ES traders are having fun with the shorts.  

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:55 | 1971565 SheepDog-One
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Must....close.....above magical......DOW 12,000 line....must....pump...

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:56 | 1971571 compound interest
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hungary is not a EUR-zone country..

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:57 | 1971573 slewie the pi-rat
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if greece goes on the last chart it would be "toast on a shingle"
but i can see where they didn't include it--to keep the scale
on the page...

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 16:58 | 1971575 ebworthen
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This is a good reminder, also, that the Euro is not really that old.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:08 | 1971603 txsilverbug
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To print or not to print, that is the question.

Im prepped, go ahead and print.  Beans, bullets and buillion baby.  Turn those printers on.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:20 | 1971632 marcusfenix
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so here's what I don't get, why aren't the Brits falling in? I know what Cameran said were the reasons but he's not exactly the UK's version of Ron Paul...

so what's the angle here? why not ratify the treaty and solidify the rule of Europe by the bureaucrats and banking cartels, after all that was the goal from the start wasn't it? I find it hard to believe the whole "national sovereignty" line he's running.

maybe it's just the politically jaded American in me talking, or maybe the wounds from two world wars run deeper for them and is overriding all other considerations. I just find it strange on the eve of the rise of the new euro bankster world order that he should throw a such a large monkey wrench into the process.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 18:33 | 1971835 reload
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Good question, I think the answer is mundane though. No cunning long term plan is in play, just simple domestic politics. Cameron leads a deeply eurosceptic party, the grandees are all city insiders but the grass roots are not. The grass roots of the party are typically small business owners, and working familis who decry the benefit culture reulting from the Blair / Brown governments. To appease this large faction the Cameron government passed legislation that NO further power could be transferred from Westminster to Brussels without a referendum. The treaty Cameron vetoed would have triggered a referendum. With re cent polls indicating that 75pct of voters want the UK completely out of Europe he had no choice.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 19:14 | 1971932 smiler03
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Financial Transaction Tax

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:23 | 1971649 willien1derland
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57% of all PIIGS debt belongs to Italy - (PIIGS Bond Redemptions is 504 Billion Euros in 2012 - that does NOT include Bank recapitalizations!)Therefore the equations are easily expressed...but when you superimpose the timeline my imagination cannot conceive of a solution that can satisfy the demand profile across the EU-17...when you consider the CRE & Residential mortgage (per Deloitte 1.5 Trillion Euros of NPLs in Central/Eastern Europe many CREs entering the refi zone) debacle in Central Eastern Europe...Kyle Bass is a damn VISONARY! There is NO CONCEIVABLE BACKSTOP...Anyone that disagrees I beg you to make your case as I would LOVE to be convinced otherwise... 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:32 | 1971680 AldoHux_IV
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Where does all the good collateral go in [re]hypothecation frenzies? Target2 has flushed all the good collateral out, but who's been buying and holding onto it?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 18:12 | 1971786 Quinvarius
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It goes into gold, as evidenced by the death of the gold carry trade this month.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 18:00 | 1971759 Gloeschi
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The East German mark was converted at par for wages, prices and basic savings (up to a limit of 4000 Mark per person, except a smaller number for children and a larger number for pensioners. Larger amounts of savings, company debts and housing loans were converted at a 2:1 rate whilst so-called "speculative money", acquired shortly before unification, was converted at a rate of 3:1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_German_mark)

 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 18:11 | 1971783 Quinvarius
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I always knew Soros got inside info on the Pound.  But I don't think it was from Schlesinger.  That part is a red herring.  If you look at the Chronology of the devaluation, you can see it came down to a last minute deal to make sure it happened by a few political players.  That is where you want to start on who Soros was in bed with.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 18:14 | 1971788 Lews Therin
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Honestly...

 

I don't know what will happen with the Euro.  I do see a real possiblity that the Eurocrats might decide to say "Fuck You" to banks.  Then if that happens, lots of Euros will be vaporized.  That means the Euro will skyrocket in value. 

 

Think about it. 

 

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 06:14 | 1973092 boogey_bank
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Pls someone help me, my nonsense-meter was send off scale by Draghi's speech.

He says that it's not an Ecb affair to save piigs sovereign. Ecb mandate is price stability and keep banking system running (alive?).

But when Dexia exposure is 2.5 fold Belgium gdp and when the two ill twins italian banking giants (sanintesa unicredit) exposure is 1.01 italian gdp does have a sense saying: I don't save the govvies, I only care of price stability and bank system?

Or will he let the eu banks be trashed?

I think is more useful to judge people from their actions and not from their thoughts.

Draghi actions: 1) two interest rates cuts 2) (intersting) banks reserves coefficient slashed from 2% to 1% (a whopping -50%)

Monti  (Draghi's GS comrade) actions: State guarantee on italian bank bonds.

How this decisions spells in short term outlook for italian banks?

In other words (given that the sky is falling and is better take the money out of the banks and run (where, apart an all in gold bet)),

is it better with paper savings  staying  in a high risk bank (and 1. having the possibility to switch from euro to dollar from time to time 2. having a greater interest rate) or high risk bank bond

or is better to stay in a smaller bank (that doesen't have these tools)?

 

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