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Guest Post: Has America Been Crippled By Intellectual Idiots?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Has America Been Crippled By Intellectual Idiots?

As far back as I can remember, the overarching message of the American social atmosphere has been one of idolization.  Oh to one day join the ranks of the “professional class”; that 5% to 10% of our culture which enjoys unparalleled respect and an assumed position of knowledge, so much so that they are rarely even required to qualify themselves to anyone besides their own compatriots.  The goal of every person I knew during my formative years with a desire to succeed was to one day hold in their hands an official looking embossed document announcing their ascension to the ranks of the intellectually anointed.  I was never so keen on the idea…        

The dangers of academic deification are numerous.  Those who dominate the educational language of the times determine the moral compass (or lack of compass) of the curriculum.  They control who is accepted and who is rejected, not by measure of intelligence or skill, but by their willingness to conform to the establishment ideal.  They construct a kind of automaton class, which has been taught not to learn independently, but to parrot propaganda without question.  Simultaneously, those of us who do not “make the grade” are relegated to the role of obliged worshippers; accepting the claims of the professional class as gospel regardless of how incorrect they happen to be.  To put it simply; the whole thing is disgustingly inbred. 

Elitism has always lent itself to morbid forms of educational molestation.  This is nothing new, especially within their own limited circles.  However, to have such perversions of logic and reason gutting the minds of entire generations across endless stretches of our country without any counterbalance is a far more heinous state of affairs in the long run.  Ultimately, this highway can only lead to a deterioration of our future, and the death of reason itself.

Recently, I attended a discussion panel on Constitutionalism at a university in Helena, the capital of Montana, and admittedly, was not expecting much insight.  (At the moment of arrival I noticed the buildings had been plastered with Kony 2012 posters.  The campus seemed to be completely unaware that the YouTube film is a George Soros funded ‘Wag the Dog’ farce.)  Even in a fiercely independent region such as the Northern Rockies, the collectivist hardline reigns supreme on most college campuses.  Sadly, very few actual students attended the discussion, and the audience was predominantly made up of local political players, retired legislators, and faculty.  Surprisingly, Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers was invited to participate in the discussion, obviously to add at least some semblance of balance or “debate” to an otherwise one-sided affair.  The mix was like oil and water.

The overall tone was weighted with legal drudgery.  Many of the speakers were focused intently on secondary details and banal explorations into individual Constitutional cases without any regard for the bigger picture.  When confronted with questions on the indefinite detainment provisions of the NDAA, government surveillance, or executive ordered assassinations of U.S. citizens, the panelists responded with lukewarm apathy.  The solutions we discuss regularly within the Liberty Movement, such as state nullification based on the 10th Amendment, assertions of local political control through Constitutional Sheriffs, and even civil disobedience, were treated with indignant responses and general confusion.

A consistent theme arose from the academics present, trying to run damage control on Rhodes’ points on federal encroachment and ultimate tyranny.  Their position?  Defiance is unacceptable (or at least, not politically correct…).  Americans have NO recourse against a centralized government.  Not through their state and local representatives, and not through concerted confrontation.  In fact, to even suggest that states act on their own accord without permission is an outlandish idea.  In the end, the only outlet for the public is….to vote.

No one seemed to be able to address the fact that both major parties supported the exact same unconstitutional policies, thus making national level elections an act of pure futility. The point was brushed aside…

Sickly shades of socialism hung heavy in the room.  One speaker even suggested that the states could not possibly survive financially without centralized aid.  He was apparently too ignorant to understand that the federal government itself is bankrupt, incapable of producing true savings, and printing fiat Ad Nauseum just to stay afloat.  Every 30 seconds I heard a statement that made me cringe.                    

Universities are today’s centers of connection.  They are one of the last vestiges of American tribalism and community in an age of self isolation and artificial technological cultism.  Adults do not meet face to face much anymore to share knowledge, or discuss the troubles of the day.  The academic world provides such opportunity, but at a terrible price.  To connect with the world, students must comply.  To be taken seriously, they must adopt, consciously or unconsciously, the robes of the state.  They must abandon the passions of rebellion and become indifferent to the truth.  All actions and ideas must be embraced by the group, or cast aside.  They must live a life of dependency, breeding a culture of fear, for that which others to keep for us, they can easily take away.   

How could anyone possibly sustain themselves on a diet of congealing fantasy, and personal inadequacy?  The intellectual life bears other fruits as well.  Where it lacks in substance, it makes up for in ego, proving that being educated is not necessarily the same as being intelligent.  The following is a list of common character traits visible in the average intellectual idiot, a breed that poisons the American well, and is quickly eroding away any chance of Constitutional revival…

1)  An Obsession With The Appearance Of Objectivity

I say “appearance” of objectivity because the intellectual idiot does indeed take sides on a regular basis, and the side he takes invariably benefits the establishment.  He would never admit to this, though, because he believes it gives him more credibility to at least be thought of as standing outside an issue looking in.  It is not uncommon to find Intellectual Idiots being contrary regardless of your view, even if they would normally agree.  They often try to approach debate with the façade of detachment, as if they do not care one way or the other.  The costume soon wears away, however, when they are faced with an opponent that is not impressed with their educational status.  I have seen lawyers, doctors, engineers, and even politicians devolve into sniveling toddlers when they are derailed by an argument beyond their ability to tap-dance around.  Their middle of the road persona evaporates, and the real person erupts like an ugly pustule… 

2)  Clings To Labels And Status

Like anyone else, Intellectual Idiots cradle a philosophy they believe in, or are told to believe in.  But unlike most of us, they see themselves above the scrutiny of those who do not pursue a similar academic path (i.e. only a lawyer should be allowed to debate another lawyer).  The reality is, anyone is privy to the information a proponent of the professional class knows.  With the advent of the internet, it is easier than ever to educate one’s self on multiple subjects without aid if that person has the determination to do so.  Reputation is not earned by shelling out tens of thousands of dollars for university approval.  A Masters Degree or Ph.D is not a get out of logic free card.  In fact, because the Intellectual Idiot often uses his position to avoid true opposition, he tends to become lazy and even more incapable of defending his methodologies when the time comes. 

3)  Predominantly Collectivist

The curriculum of the average college is partly to blame for this, and because the Intellectual Idiot is so desperate for acceptance and accolades, they can’t help but fall into the trap.  Collectivism is marked by a distinct attachment to the state as the source of life.  All social and all individual crises thus become a matter of government purview.  Individual self reliance is a terrifying notion to them.  In fact, many Intellectual Idiots have lived on the dole since they were born, moving from their family’s money, to state money through grants and loans.  It is not unheard of for these people to become career students, avoiding work for years, and then moving on to a bureaucratic job when the free money runs out.  They cannot fathom why anyone would rebel against the system, because they are a part of a select group which has always benefited from it.  How could the federal government be bad when it has paid their way for half of their existence?

4)  Disconnection From Reality

The Intellectual Idiot is not necessarily afraid to acknowledge that the system is troubled.  For them, the federal government is not infallible, even if their favorite party is in office, but, it IS unapproachable.  Academics revel in the disastrous nature of government.  They see political and social catastrophe as a sort of mental gameplay.  An exercise in theoretical structures.  For them, America is not a country built on an enduring set of principles, but a petri dish; an ongoing anthropological experiment that they can watch through a microscope at their leisure.  The idea that the disasters they view from the safety of their sub-cultural bubble might one day come to haunt them is a distant one. 

5)  Abhors Those Who Step Out Of Bounds

Have you ever entertained a view that went against the grain of the mainstream only to be met with accusations of extremism and sneers befitting a leper?  You were probably talking to an intellectual idiot.  The rules, no matter how distasteful or meaningless, hold special power for these people.  They make the system what it is, and when the system is your great provider, you might lean towards defending it, even in the wake of oligarchy and abuse.   This penchant for overt structure for the sake of centralization is especially damaging to our Constitutional rights, because alternative solutions are never treated as viable.  During the panel discussion in Helena, pro-collectivists consistently tried to redirect the conversation away from the 10th Amendment as a method to counter federal overreach.  They did this by bringing up abuses of the states, including slavery and segregation, as if that somehow negated the nightmare of the NDAA. 

Ironically, they saw the use of violence by the federal government to push states to recognize civil liberties as perfectly practical.  But, the use of force by states to protect the same civil liberties from Washington D.C.?  That would be lunacy…

6)  Believes Academia To Be Free From Bias

The Intellectual Idiot assimilates every bit of information he is given at the university level without a second look.  He simply assumes it is all true, and if something appears mismatched, it is only because he does not yet fully grasp it.  Very rarely will he go beyond designated source materials to get a different opinion.  This habit is the root of his idiocy.  Being that most universities draw from the same exact materials, and peer reviewed papers are usually tested by those with the exact same underlying educational backgrounds, I can’t see how it is possible for much variety of thought to form.  Whether intentional or not, severe bias cannot be avoided in this kind of environment without considerable strength of heart.

The shock that these people express when faced with Liberty Movement philosophies is quite real.  They have spent the very focus of their future life within the confines of a miniscule spectrum of truth; like seeing technicolor for the first time after a long limited existence in black and white.   

It’s hard to say when it all really began, but for decades, Americans have been progressively tuned like pliable radio antenna to the song of the elitist intellectual.  Many of us want to be him.  Others want to follow him, straight to oblivion if need be, as long as they don’t have to blaze their own trail.  This is not to say all professionals are a danger to the Republic.  Some are fantastic proponents of freedom.  But, without a drastic reversal in current educational trends, I see little hope of Constitutional guardians becoming a mainstay of U.S. campuses in the near term.

With mashed potato minds fresh from the psychological Cuisinart of public schools, the next generation in line to inherit the most fantastically schizophrenic nation in history will be like candy for social engineers; utterly unequipped for the mission.  Strangely, the drastic financial slide the elites have also triggered might hold the key to our salvation.  The next batch of would be statist citizens may find themselves so poor that higher educational brainwashing will be impossible to afford, giving them precious time to think for themselves, and come to their own conclusions.   As they say, in all things, there is a silver lining…


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Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:29 | 2373287 Rubbish
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I would rather die from a little warming then be rained down on with Barium and Aluminium Oxide.


But hey, thats just me. Take your patents for it and shove it.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:26 | 2373514 Karl von Bahnhof
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Yep that Barry-yum

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:29 | 2373292 ArgentDawn
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You have a very special kind of sarcasm. Well played sir!

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:49 | 2373369 Diogenes
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All we have to do is pass a law making the oil companies take all the carbon out of the gas before they sell it. (sarkylert)

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 02:26 | 2375774 MeelionDollerBogus
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No-sark: that is actually one of the plans. Remove the hydrogen and store it in batteries / fuel-cells. Make the batteries easily exchanged so you don't sit & recharge, some station recharges and you just swap them. And the bloom-box: it's removing the hydrogen & converting to electricity.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:42 | 2373585 The Alarmist
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"Join the campaign to make America carbon-free by 2013."

MDB, since your every exhaled breath is roughly 4% to 5% carbon dioxide, we get good bang for our buck by eliminating you.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:04 | 2373670 Antifaschistische
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aren't humans Carbon based?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:11 | 2373697 The Alarmist
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16% by mass ... we're much more water based, therefore more oxygen by mass.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:24 | 2373755 ExpendableOne
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You first, I'll provide the plastic bag for your head.

This is an awesome post, makes the point quite well as the man made global warming argument is a great example of herd mentality attempting to force a dubious agenda on everyone else.  We have what, 300 years of climate records and a few dubious computer models which tell us this is our fault?  The planet and that big orange thing in the sky have been going through warming and cooling cycles for billions of years.  

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 21:42 | 2375399 Rock the Casbah
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Statistically certain??? Please MDB, a R-squared? A simple R-squared - a decimal number and two numbers. Pretty please?

I'm begging.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:36 | 2373516 Ultros88
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"If you want to get laid, go to college. If you want an education, go to the library." - someone

Universities are/were primarily for the creation of drones and functionaries that are able to be directly 'plugged-in' to cultural meta-organisms. Pavlov style programmatic repetition of past results and a hope that aping the past will to lead to categorically different results in the future. If you're hoping for something New (tm), then don't bother with a university. If you're intelligent don't bother with a university, you'll just end up surrounded largely by idiots. Actions speak louder than words, even if they are printed on heavy-weight paper with a seal. The first thing anyone needs learn is that the human beings you see walking about are animals, primates. Go from there, starting with getting your inner chimp under control. Otherwise its just more 'monkey see monkey do'... ad nauseum.

Might also be worth your while to remember the trite saying: "Knowledge is power." Why would your professor have any desire to help you so as to enable you to compete with them, and perhaps 'best' them? Along the same lines, obfuscation of knowledge is a tried and true thing of the blue. Here poodle, poodle. Jump through these hoops and you'll get a treat. Subject matters can easily be made convoluted to prevent understanding to the uninitiated. How many papers are written of what lengths, when the entire point could be presented in a page or less? I affirm the same is true of the physical sciences: "A Master never teaches everything he knows..."

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:33 | 2373044 LawsofPhysics
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Has to be a rhetorical question.  Most young engineers I interview can only communicate via text/e-mail/twitter.  Unfortunately, in the business of delivering a real product you need to communicate face-to-face.  When a candidate comes along who can actually look you in the eye and communicate in an intelligent manner, you know you have a good candidate.  Actually, it makes picking the good one a bit easier.  In addition, when a candidate's first question is "what are my benefits", you know it is time to move on.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:43 | 2373104 streetcrawler
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Yes, why would anyone expect decent pay and benefits from a job. They should instead ask, "Have your boots been licked today?"

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:47 | 2373127 LawsofPhysics
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Welcome to the global economy.  Just waking up are we?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:48 | 2373129 optimator
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That, and ask the candidate which way a screw is inserted, clockwise or counter clockwise.  If he asks about retirement benefits it is time to move on.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:20 | 2373262 toady
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Do you offer lube before the screw is inserted?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:50 | 2373137 j.tennquist
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Old school man, seriously.

What in the credential of "looking you in the eye" has to do with being a good engineer?  Intelligent communication can take many forms.   Some of the worst slackers I have ever met can ace a job interview but they cannot think outside the box (or show up for work on time).   Some of the most creative people are clueless about interview skills, that may be too bad for them but it's too bad for you that you would hire someone that parrots the proper answers and has memorized the drill.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:56 | 2373161 LawsofPhysics
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Let me elaborate, I spend a day with candidates and take them into the field and show them the problems we are facing.  I don't have an HR department.  Becomes very obvious very quickly whether or not they are creative thinkers etc.


Speaking of "parroting".  Your "outside the box" comment says it all.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:00 | 2373184 j.tennquist
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would you prefer "Exiled from the cubicle" ?


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:18 | 2373726 The Alarmist
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Maybe "Capable and willing to operate in a higher-level function space."

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:23 | 2373270 mayhem_korner
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Some of the worst slackers I have ever met can ace a job interview but they cannot think outside the box (or show up for work on time).   Some of the most creative people are clueless about interview skills,


Maybe you need to change how you interview people?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:58 | 2373645 Umh
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I know some great engineers that I would never hire because supervising them is damn near a 1 on 1 proposition. The ability to get along ( at least a bit ) with others is perhaps more important than any other skill for most jobs.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:53 | 2374519 General Decline
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Two questions:

1. Are you hiring?

2. Would I have to travel to Africa? I am really getting sick of this continent.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:47 | 2373124 jus_lite_reading
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Absolutely. The evidence is overwhelming

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:29 | 2373294 Gully Foyle
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FOC 1183

I'm amazed at the utter amount of morons who post here, for example. The level of stupidity on all sides is incredible. Some of it is simply knee jerk reactionism, some of it is fear to explore other ways of thinking, but overwhelmingly it is sheer and utter stupidity.

It's like the majoprity has lost the ability to reason. The desire to follow a line of thought to it's logical conclusion.

Fuck, I'm not even certain people can think that far anymore.

In the couple of years I have been here, I think under ten people are worth reading. Are interesting and thought provoking.

With the rest it's like wading through miles of dogshit.

And that type of mindnumbing ignorance is prevalent these days.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:04 | 2373424 Calmyourself
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Yeah fuck yeah man..  Reasoning followed through to its logical conclusion..

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:39 | 2374047 Taint Boil
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.... wading through miles of dogshit.

It’s like trying to find a needle in a haystack but every now and then even a blind squirrel finds a nut.


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:38 | 2373335 Waffen
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The congressional Dodd Report from the 1950s is the smoking gun IMO which shows how private foundations like the ford foundation had worked for years to introduce collectivism into our education system and to destroy individualism.

If you have not read the report you should, it's available online.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:40 | 2373345 Bicycle Repairman
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Academia is bought and paid for.  Professors research and write according to the party line.  They are handed their initial assumption e.g. oil is consists of dinosaur poop, and they build their syllogisms from there.  Their job is to out-argue anyone who disagrees with the initial assumption that they were handed.  It's all faux.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:28 | 2373525 pods
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Hmm, now who does that remind you of?


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:36 | 2373557 memyselfiu
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You mean, just like the author of this diatribe did?


Your statement is so absolute that it is rendered meaningless.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 20:16 | 2375295 Bicycle Repairman
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My statement is fraught with meaning, professor.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:58 | 2373396 GeorgeHayduke
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Once colleges and universities started to offer degrees in fields like Marketing, Communications, and other such useless drivel, how could we expect them to maintain any integrity?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:03 | 2373415 midtowng
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The author would make a better point if he didn't have an obvious chip on his shoulder.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:31 | 2373540 pods
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I can understand the chip, but I cannot understand the need to go to a meetup that obviously was just another slant on the age old statist meme.


I wanted to start an anarchist club.  But anyone who showed up for the meeting was automatically excluded.


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:21 | 2373483 Woodyg
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Here's your rhetoric -

The most dangerous people in America are Ivy League trained MBA's - the training ground for the sociopathic predators.

With a smattering of Glee Club mixed in to release those unacceptable longings.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:24 | 2373027 LongSoupLine
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Watch any ivy league professor interview on CNBS for confirmation of the "stupidity of the brilliant".

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:28 | 2373032 Flakmeister
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Watch any interview on CNBC to confirm the concept that people will say anything if the potential material gain is sufficient...

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:35 | 2373062 LawsofPhysics
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There you go.  Always follow the money.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:13 | 2374188 Calmyourself
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FLAK - Hey, you can be right... Here is some assholes trying to trade above all things "carbon credits"  your right what a bunch of watermelon elitists trying to cash in on others misery..  But all they need is some "science" and they can be trillionaires, follow the money fool..

Oh look everyone even the benevolent UN is in on Carbon credits what a surprise..

Say anything indeed, foot in mouth much watermelon?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 18:16 | 2375083 Calmyourself
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Hoist meet petard aka Global Warming...  Or whatever they need to change the name to in order to profit and control thats key..

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:40 | 2373084 rwe2late
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A rather limited vetted and screened sample of the educated, wouldn't you say?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:38 | 2373562 LongSoupLine
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no, I said "professors".  These are the "upper tier" educated that are conducting (see: spreading) the diseased education process and ideals.  It's not "limited", as I am refering to the source.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 15:11 | 2374577 rwe2late
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 Please try to understand what YOU posted.

YOU wrote "ivy league" professors who have an "interview on CNBS"

which excludes most all "professors"

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:25 | 2373028 Flakmeister
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More anti-intellectualism.... aka bullshit...

That being said, higher education is a pale echo of what it once was...

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:45 | 2373109 Oh regional Indian
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I do believe (not experience, only hear-say) that the experience in A Balliol or other ancient British university, or the Eccole Poly in France, or some of the older universities in Eastern Europe....real scholarship still happens.

My experience in the US was 1000X better than anythign here in india though. I was in heaven, free... I could choose my my prof by their first name....whoa! 

But Profit + Learning = Disaster.

And poor students make poor future teachers. Downward spiral ensues.


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:48 | 2373125 trembo slice
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I think you misunderstand if you think it's anti-intellectualism.  On the contrary, I think he is pointing out that following the herd and believing onesef above intellectual criticism is an example of a fool.  I could not agree more that higher education is in decline.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:48 | 2373132 GeneMarchbanks
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'Vulgarized knowledge characteristically gives birth to a feeling that everything is understandable and explained. It is like a system of bridges built over chasms. One can travel boldly ahead over these bridges, ignoring the chasms. It is forbidden to look down into them; but that, alas, does not alter the fact that they exist.' -- Czeslaw Milosz

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:57 | 2373168 Oh regional Indian
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Education is no substitute for intelligence. That elusive quality is defined only in part by puzzle-solving ability. It is in the creation of new puzzles reflecting what your senses report that you round out the definitions.

  • Mentat Text One (decto)


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:10 | 2373163 mayhem_korner
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Real intellectualism - earnest curiosity and the drive to independently push theory to discovery (or failure) - is not what's on tap at the self-proclaimed "elite" schools.  Those institutions are about safeguarding the 'accepted truths' and sustaining their endowment via royalties on those accepted truths.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 15:28 | 2374637 Flakmeister
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And it never was (at least in the 20th century) at the undergraduate level....

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:41 | 2373577 LongSoupLine
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Flak...your statement is a perfect contradiction.  You say its "anti", yet admit the system is broken?...brilliant.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:03 | 2373665 Flakmeister
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Where did I say it was broken?

A Bachelors degree is now the equivalent of a HS diploma....

Did anyone *ever* say that you went to HS to learn how to think?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:29 | 2373035 kato
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ZH lets far too many oddballs use it to publish their own holier-than-thou bullshit. This is one of the more stupid reads in ages.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:38 | 2373079 trembo slice
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Kato's post sucks.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:40 | 2373087 narapoiddyslexia
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It's one way to stir up the Fight Club. Easy, too.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:43 | 2373102 GetZeeGold
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If it's your first night at Fight have to fight.


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:46 | 2373362 Thisson
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Well, he's right - this article doesn't add too much to our understanding of current economic problems or their solutions.  It's just saying Colleges sucl.  Ok...and?


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:32 | 2374071 Taint Boil
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Where is Trav when you need him?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 20:42 | 2373390 justanothernerd
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Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:30 | 2373040 agent default
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Read the "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" by Edward Gibbon.  Nothing is really new or shocking in the current state of affairs.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:33 | 2373048 Flakmeister
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That is quite an endeavor.... is there a Coles Notes or suitable iPad app?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:43 | 2373107 GeneMarchbanks
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LibriVox has it in audiobook... free. It is weeks of listening fun yet still not a good place for those looking for knowledge. Right falak pema?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:50 | 2373142 Flakmeister
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Having actually read one of the volumes, I can attest that it is dryer than Joan Rivers on Estrogen Deprivation Therapy.....

Gibbons projected a little too much of the Enlightenment world view in his writings... No great sin, but that should be kept in mind.... We also know a lot more now that we did then...

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:48 | 2373366 falak pema
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All historians of another age reinterpret history for their own times; its human nature and momentum. 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:50 | 2373272 falak pema
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There was a guy called Demoulin who wrote a commentary of  Caesar's 'commentarii de Bello Gallico' , as a résumé for François I; to educate him on his ambitions about Italy after he won at Marignano in 1515. It didn't stop François from suffering the defeat of Pavia in 1525...a disaster that ended French pretensions in Italy up to Napoleon's times, and made France second fiddle to Spain on Continent of Charles V  and progeny upto the Battle of Rocroi in 1643.

So yes knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing. But as they say...being foretold is to be forewarned, unless one suffers from hubris and thinks that the Furia Française of its cavalry, is unstoppable; until the spanish arquebus mows them silent dandelions.

To come back to the gist of the article : its not knowledge and intelligence which are a problem, its the hubristic, elitist mindset it creates, that is deadly. Just like being born  in purple with a silver spoon. 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:32 | 2373047 mayhem_korner
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Great article.  Tells it like it really is.  So-called "higher education" was once billed as a place to develop critical thinking and hypothesis it is about nothing but indoctrinating "accepted truths". 

Well, when the Collapse is on in earnest, the indoctrinated are not going to know what to do. 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:39 | 2373075 LawsofPhysics
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""when the Collapse is on in earnest, the indoctrinated are not going to know what to do."


LOL, I think that might depend on the major and whether or not the person did a internship with us.  But in general, your are correct, a whole bunch of liberal arts majors and business majors with no real intellect , wisdom, or survival skills will be cannon fodder.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:41 | 2373098 narapoiddyslexia
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Where do I sign up for an internship?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:59 | 2373174 mayhem_korner
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Where do I sign up for an internship?



Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:22 | 2373492 Precious
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In today's environment, dominated by feminized, communist academics, a fucking mynah bird gets straight A's.  Actual scholarly "thinking" prohibits achievement.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:41 | 2373050 Mercury
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All the more reason to focus on math and science (which share a universal "language") at school and save cultural development for home as much as possible.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:43 | 2373105 narapoiddyslexia
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Unfortunately cultural development at home means only Dancing With The Stars or American Idol

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:13 | 2373226 Mercury
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Only if that's what you switch on.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:23 | 2373269 XitSam
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American Idle ... there, fixed it for you.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:52 | 2373380 Oh regional Indian
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Instant Classic...


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:50 | 2373126 dwdollar
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The Internet is the perfect tool for teaching math and science so school is pretty much not needed. School is a legacy of the 19th and 20th centuries propped up by central planning and the desire to distribute state propaganda away from the parent.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:28 | 2373285 Vegamma
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My daughter visited Brown last month and the student giving the overview bragged about their curriculum's flexibility. "If you don't like Math, you don't have to take any Math courses, not a single one!", she gushed. My daughter will not be attending Brown and I now view any Brown grad with distrust.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:27 | 2374399 PWD Lover
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As a proud Brown grad, I'd wager that most of us ended up taking a diverse mix of course precisely BECAUSE we weren't required to.  Brown students are remarkably mature and unafraid intellectually.  The lack of overt pressure allowed us to explore areas far beyond our majors (or "concentrations," as we call them) without regard for grades.  This econ/history grad, for example, also took classes in math, science, music, and business, though not necessarily for a grade.

There are still some schools that try to promote the model of both relevant and well-rounded, intellectually curious for the sheer joy of it.

I wish you and your daughter well.  If she is (was) considering Brown, she has an enviable future ahead.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:58 | 2373398 justanothernerd
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Go to an average science lab and you'll see how far the intellectual decline has gone -- it's a joke, frankly.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:34 | 2373055 Everybodys All ...
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Starts and ends with the election of the biggest communist in my lifetime.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:40 | 2373089 fuu
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Simply amazing.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:10 | 2373118 Mercury
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When a red-state kid performs a job it takes a ballot out of the hands of an immigrant voter.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:13 | 2373234 GetZeeGold
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....back away from the cow Jedediah.....let Jose milk her.


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:33 | 2373547 krispkritter
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Hose A or Hose B?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:22 | 2373745 fuu
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<slow motion golf clap>

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:14 | 2373455 Precious
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Like most libs, Obama couldn't grow a fucking carrot if his life depended on it.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:55 | 2373622 memyselfiu
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Generalize much? I'll presume your circle of 'lib' acquaintances is small to non-existent, is that really a picture of the precious or the circle of ignorance?

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 21:55 | 2378947 Precious
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Sorry prickface.  You're wrong.  We're all from Oregon now.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 15:22 | 2374621 The Alarmist
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He doesn't have to grow carrots ... like most libs, he will take yours from you in the name of social justice.

BTW, if they don't let the children do farm chores, who is going to show the rest of us how it is done when we are force marched out to work the fields?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:59 | 2373179 Everybodys All ...
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Can you find a better example of intellectual idiocy than this news story of our Labor Department. If implemented it would mean every family farm will be breaking the law because I can assure you none of their kids will stop being required to help out. Armed conflicts will result. This is truly insane tyranny which is about to be implemented by the Obama administration.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:26 | 2373276 XitSam
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It is not idiocy because it is part of the plan. The raw milk raids with drawn guns weren't destroying enough farms.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:32 | 2373312 Precious
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I guess for 200 years American farmers didn't know what the fuck they were doing, and now a lecturer from Harvard comes along and straightens everything out. What a fucking relief.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:35 | 2373059 i_call_you_my_base
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This flavor of idiocy starts long before most hit college.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:17 | 2373061 alfred b.
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    Yess, seemingly intellectual idiots ruled by a slimy gov't propped-up by the banking cartel.



Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:37 | 2373068 GMadScientist
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Not "intellectual idiots", just the run-of-the-mill Brandon.

I have much more concern about the deification of CEOs than academics.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:45 | 2373117 narapoiddyslexia
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The CEO/MIC/DHS trolls that patrol this web site won't like that comment

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:54 | 2373156 GMadScientist
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That explains the circling drone and frozen credit accounts.

I take it all back...without the carrot of a college education at the end of a few too many tours in foreign lands (meeting interesting people and killing them) we'd really have to beef up the prison system.

Carry on!


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:37 | 2373070 divide_by_zero
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The article perfectly describes the face of Progressivism that cuurrentlky infects our educational system, political system, and MSM.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:40 | 2373207 falak pema
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MSM? FOX AND CNN? Progressivism? 

America is run by the corporate myth at MSM level; whats good for the media; aka publicity; must be good for the people. So watch MSM, watch 50% commercial, and of the remaining time  watch 50% debate which is corporate wellbeing slanted, as it allows the sponsor to feel good and 50% populist slanted as it grabs the viewer by the short hairs...pop corn, thrills and adverts, packaged news on a loop and incidently debate and critical thinking, seldom ever out of box opinion (unless its populist and makes people yell with emotion). 

McLuhan was his name he invented the phrase...marshall... Oh the message....well...its us...the media...hahaha.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:00 | 2373404 NewWorldOrange
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Both Progressivism and Corporatism thoroughly infect the MSM. The integration of the Corporate, Media, and Political spheres increases by the day. The Fascist Circle is nearing completion.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:01 | 2373633 falak pema
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progressivism and fascism, aka totalitarianism, are antinomic; unless the progressivism slant is a fig leaf, a flash in the mirrors strategy to fool the gullible, used by a oligopolistic institution. 

Pope Leo X, Giovanni de Médicis is purported to have said..."Why junk Jesus, a man who has brought our church such wealth?" He said it the the context of calls for him to issue a papal Bull to condemn Martin Luther when he published his theses; although the Pope admired Luther whom he had met and was a known progressist as he promoted the Renaissance and encouraged humanisim in Erasmus's writings, who had written a satire against his predecessor Julius II and his inordinate sale of indulgences. He was from Florence where humanism was born and one could have doubts about his belief in the church's dogma in private.  He was alleged to be a practicing Homosexual. So when push came to shove, inspite of his own progressive beliefs, now mere fig leaf, Pope Leo X issued a Bull condemning his  intellectual "friend" Martin Luther. In the name of the Universal church.

Perfect example of a progressive fig leaf to defend a totalitarian circle. It didn't stop Luther...or Erasmus. They were the true agents of progressivism of their age. 

MSM now copies that mind set; as the Catholic church then, pretending that Cupid and Virgin MAry were compatible, as were Hercules and Saint Peter, was a sleight of hand by the MSM of that age. Until the religious wars began and the church was exposed  for is totalitarian self, as during the Spanish Inquisition.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:02 | 2373876 NewWorldOrange
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What a pile of sophistry! LMAO

The terms Progressive and Fascist here, in the modern American context, MEAN WHAT THEY MEAN IN THE MODERN AMERICAN CONTEXT. I don't care what Progressive meant centuries ago in some transitory slice of some other universe.

What's next? You going to accuse anyone who decries modern liberalism of dissing the Constitution (CLASSICAL "liberalism")?

Progressivism in modern America is all about "progressing" toward a centrally controlled, corporatist nanny state, i.e., the very definition of FASCISM.

As for your irrelevant, wholly obtuse rambling on unrelated trivia from history, who are you trying to convince that you're edumacated, everyone else (FAIL) or yourself?

As for your incessant nipping at my heels, no problem ;) This is fight club after all. But do you think you can put up a better fight, or at least throw up your purses? I feel like I'm fighting Gandhi.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:09 | 2373960 falak pema
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I have a problem understanding YOUR use of words; they are part of the english language. Progressivism means what it says, modern or ancient, no difference, its a trend in WESTERN thinking, not just in the USA populist mindset:

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your usage of that word is similar to what  we hear about the word "socialism" or even "Keynesian", totally opposed to reality. I don't know what you mean when you use the word. If you post you will be questioned, until it becomes evident that its counterproductive. I'm not nipping on your heels, I'm trying to clarify the use of words, as wrong usage causes confusion.

I don't think I'm being a sophist by giving you an historical example of what the word meant in the past, as to my mind its also valid in the present; unless you attribute to it a prejudiciable connotation which is original to say the least. But I may be missing something; as the word "liberal" does not mean the same thing in Europe and in the US. So its important to clarify.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:14 | 2374316 JOYFUL
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Falak ol buddy - "progressivism" acquired a prejudiciable[sic-I'm sure you meant to say prejudicial] cast long time the new world, at any rate.

I believe you are correct - used in such context, it's not a term that has travelled well...across the pond...

most likely cause Europeans have stayed more or less content to allow their show dog intellectuals of the usual institutional hierachy to monopolize the exegesis of narratives like "the Enlightenment," whereas in the 'new world,' folks have shouldered the burden of deconstructing illuminist propaganda without having to a)get paid to tell the truth or b) wallow in the warm mud bath of academic accolades in order to muster the courage to witness same. Result - 'progressivism' does not get the unwarranted free pass from critical analysis it has received in the 'old world.'

I suspect it has something to do with the mining heritage of the Americas...digging into the depths is a more recent phenomena over there, than in Europa, most of whose mines got played out long time back. However, the playing field is being levelled rapidly, as all those who dare think outside of the established parameters in the AMERIKAS are now being hunted down and expunged from the record, similar to what happened to Unamuno and the rest of the real intellectuals in Euroland decades ago...progressivism and fascism are the least of antonyms the full circle of dialectical ism isms, they converge and form a perfect noose around the necks of free men of all description.



Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:48 | 2374503 falak pema
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thanks for the oups! 


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:37 | 2373071 rwe2late
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New Question:

Has America been crippled by anti-intellectual idiots?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:40 | 2373088 tiwimon
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We're far more crippled by a lack of common sense as a people...

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:00 | 2373187 Flakmeister
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We have been crippled by duplicitous greed....

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 16:09 | 2374758 Cathartes Aura
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indeed, the elevation of "showy stuffs to impress" - all outward obviousness - is far more important to amrkns than any type of inner life.

consumers: born and bred, BRAND-ed, bankrupted, then buried.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:39 | 2373076 flyonmywall
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I think the first few posters in the comments pretty much proved the guy's point. Anything that deviates from the mainstrem academia or thinking is considered pure bs.

Frankly, I think the article is brilliant. These people think so highly of themselves, that they pay lip service to any viewpoint that is different. Look at how the physics community ostracizes those who do not subscribe to the "dark matter" hypothesis, or to how people who think there is not enough data to prove global warming/global cooling/climate change are ridiculed by the media and other academics.

The human herd mentality is indubitably strong even here, on ZH.

There is no critical thinking and original thinking in the circles of academia. As a young graduate student, I was told point blank to NOT go against accepted dogma, even if you had overwhelming evidence. It's bad for one's job prospects.

Humans are disgusting, herd-following, self-serving animals. Nothing more.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:43 | 2373103 LawsofPhysics
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"As a young graduate student, I was told point blank, to not go against accepted dogma, even if you had overwhelming evidence. It's bad for one's job prospects."


Ditto.  However after the Ph.D. in chemical and biological engineering I worked for Genentech and then eventually did my own thing.  You would be suprised at how many real-world companies look for people (and evidence) that buck the dogma.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:00 | 2373181 Flakmeister
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The reason is that you had better learn the basics cold before "rocking the boat"... at least in the physical sciences....

The D-K effect is real you know....

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:13 | 2373239 mayhem_korner
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"Bucking the dogma" is lucrative if one can overcome the inertia of the elitist-sponsored "accepted truths."  (Kinda like owning physical gold).  Dogma is about ownership of (false) intellectual property - nothing more.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:03 | 2373419 justanothernerd
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I'm a grad student at one of the elite technical schools in a similar discipline -- it's really frustrating how intellectually brain-dead it seems. I've had an adviser tell me point blank that he'd rather have incompetent, unproductive people work for him that don't rock the boat. I'm actually always searching for environment that's intellectually strong, non-dogmatic, and there being a strong willingness to do good work. Is the culture in industry better?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 15:52 | 2374699 Flakmeister
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Pssst.... its because he is paying someone to get *his* ideas tested/developed.... You can follow your "creative" insights on your own time/dime...

Research in the private sector can be rewarding, but again, if you don't toe the line, you will be gone...

Employers only care about creativity and intellectual discussion in the junior staff if it is consistent with senior managemnets goals...

Of course, every exception proves the rule and a lot depends on the size of the company.....

BTW, Post-docs that sucessfully make the leap to academia routinely put in ~80 hours a week...

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:20 | 2373257 riphowardkatz
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Humans who submit to collectivist, altruistic philosophies are disgusting, herd-following, short sited ,self-serving animals. Nothing more. 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:41 | 2373349 DOT
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You are disgusting, herd-following, self-serving animal. Nothing more.


....jus sayin'   

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:01 | 2373405 justanothernerd
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I'm a grad student in the life sciences at a so-called "elite" insitutution -- I agree 100% with you. Going against dogma is a sure way to get yourself fired. I've had my adviser tell me that he'd rather have incompetent people that don't rock the boat work for him than people who "rock the boat".


All the best.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:10 | 2373691 Gideon Gono
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This article is fantastic, but doesn’t go far enough.  I’m in senior management for an urban university; I have also worked at two others.  Here are a few more:


- Overly reliant on consensus – everything requires forming of a committee;


- Cling to the status quo – skeptical of change – change agents are vilified;


- Sense of entitlement among the faculty – they consider themselves to be royalty;


- Poor productivity - unproductive employees (often protected by a union) are shuffled through the system from manager to manager and behavioral problems are never addressed;


- Critical thinking not taught - instead, it’s how to be critical, always with a “progressive” bent.



Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:39 | 2373078 tiwimon
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If not for the technology and softer times we now live in, most of these mouth breathers would not surivive long, if at all. Likely never even born, since their parents were idiots before them and were allowed to procreate. Seriously, think about it, how many of you have met someone that is smart, maybe book or computer smart but beyond their very soft, fluffy academic lives, they would not surivive in the real world.


I for one think this applies to more than academia, many in prior ages would have persihed at a young age, most of sheer stupidity, idiots.

If not for the times we live in now that lets stupid people get away with being stupid and still live...


/Don't get me wrong - in these times, there is a place just as in other ages for intellectuals and academics, just that in other ages they had a keen sense of intelligence when it applies to normal life, and most important, COMMON SENSE which seems to have been bred out of most people, especially in academia... COMMON SENSE

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:40 | 2373080 NewWorldOrange
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Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:52 | 2373149 falak pema
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watch your destiny as it turns to ashes. 

Rebirth, rinse and repeat. Karma and reincarnation.

Its poppy day! 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:22 | 2373748 The Alarmist
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I am Shiva the Destroyer.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:43 | 2373083 Coldfire
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Intellectuals, the supposed guardians of the culture have become its worst enemies. We are surrounded by the evidence. So-called higher education has become the prime reproductive organ of the state. And we are reaping its bitter harvest.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:41 | 2373096 ThisIsBob
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Not to mention that they are sustained by the proceeds of student loans.

If they were "educating" anybody the first thing they would teach is to avoid 'em like the plague.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:42 | 2373097 Catullus
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The facade is part of the myth that academia has some sort of influence in guiding the policy of the state. It's important that they don't see the state as infallible since they believe it falls on academia to advise the king. Why would the king need advising if he is infallible?

The worst myth imaginable created by academia is that democracy is government of the people. It has no connection to reality or logic, yet it is constantly repeated myth within academia. That everything the state does is the result of the people willing it to be so. And if not, then why hasn't someone voted the bums out yet?

I think the financial crisis in 2008 stripped this reasoning naked. I'd venture a guess that it'd be difficult to find anyone not directly benefitting from the money printing or so captured by partisan politics that thinks the banks should have been bailed out. It's not something that Americans thought was "necessary" or the "responsible" thing to do. The CEO of Goldman Sachs just threatened martial law and the Congress complied. It was really that simple.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:42 | 2373100 Rainman
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No human has ever been educated or legislated into having a shred of common sense. You either develop it on your own or you don't.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:04 | 2373208 mayhem_korner
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+1  Common sense is gained when one is forced to think.

The indoctrination in the "education system" relies heavily on regurgitation of canned solutions, dubbed as "problem solving".  Anyone worth his/her salt knows that solving problems is not the hard part - defining them correctly is.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:42 | 2373101 Hmm...
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So higher education serves no purpose except to produce these intellectual idiots, slaves to the dogmatic teachings of their professors? 

Wow, the anti-intellectual tripe just gets thicker and thicker.  What, pray tell, is the solution to this?  Should one only be home schooled and then never attempt to learn through a formalized educational process ever again?

Should we all just focus only upon our bibles and Constitutions?  Is that all the information we ever need?  We should just follow the paragons of virtue, Mssrs Santorum and Gingrich who also preach to anti-intellectualism?

I can only speak for myself, but I went through the US educational system and I can guarantee that many of us did not come out as automatons who blindly followed our educational leaders.  If we did, we'd all come out nearly the same.  But you get people who are VASTLY different coming out of college/University.  And no, I don't mean Obama vs Romney.  I mean like a Afrocentric lesbian political activist and a gun toting libertarian militia man.  If we all become slaves to dogma, how does it create such a medley of people?

Sure, there are always some tools that come out of school dumber than they went in.  Some choose not to ues the resources they were given.  But education is a tool.  nothing more, nothing less.  Some people are unwilling or unable to use the tool.  They come out as intellectual idiots.  But some have the ability, and they push the world forward.

One of the problems with this article is that it confuses professors and students, with politicians and leaders.  OF COURSE the people invited to a discussion were pompous asses full of themselves.  Pompous asses always get themselves into positions of power.  That's what they do.  Education or not.  That doesn't mean the students will fall in line.

The US Educational System has some major flaws.  It needs to change.  But I'm not willing to denounce education as much as this poster does.  Because the flip side of the intellectual idiot are the completely ignorant, a much worse proposition.  I've had it with the willful ignorant.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:59 | 2373173 bshirley1968
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"the flip side ......are the completely ignorant"

Really?  Ignorant of what?  Much of the intellectual BS being stuffed down the throats of those that would be taught is just that.....BS!

"The US educational system has some major flaws."  Yeah like the fact that education went out the window decades ago and now it is simply a mill of social engineering to teach Johnny that it is okay to want to be fondled by Bill, that Suzy should be able to do anything Mike can do, and that as long as it is profitable it must be okay.

"....and they push the world forward."  Really?  Forward to where?  Have you looked around lately?  This world has become a rotting cesspool of de-evolution.  How would you determine "forward"?  Because we can carry around a cell phone that allows us to be hooked up like good little worker bees?  Facebook, so we can all watch each others pathetic lives and use that as an excuse to do what everyone else is doing?  Because we put a man on the moon?  Lot of good that did.  After all this "moving forward", you would think world hunger would be a thing of the past.  That killing one another for the material things on this planet would be over.  That we could repair someone's heart for less money that it took to put a man on the moon.  .........My, could I go on and on!  You need to wake the hell up and get out of your wish-we-lived-in-a-utopia, liberal-ass mindset.

If they asked me to list the reason for the fall of this empire, the public education system it definitely in the top 3.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:13 | 2373241 GoldenTool
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I 1 uped you and I'd give you +1000 if I could.  I keep going back to the productivity increases how 1 person can now do what used to take 100 yet 99 are poorer for it.  It is the system.  It is designed this way, I'm starting to think purposefully, to work as it does.  I am also afraid this won't end in a whimper.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:38 | 2373338 Dr. Engali
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Where in the article exactly is he denouncing higher education?  What he is denouncing is the intellectual group think has infested the universities. The thought that the state is the answer to everything.  Universities used to be a place where there was a free exchange of ideas. Now , like our public school system, they have grown into indoctrination centers ,a place where individualism and freedom of thought is frowned upon. Those people who think differently than the status quo are pressured to keep those thoughts to themselves. Universities are full of people who have had no practicle life experience in the real world trying to make a business work, or trying to make it on their own in an environment where the state is nothing but an impediment. If they did have that life experience instead of living off the state, I'm sure their philosophy would change.,

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:20 | 2373477 Hmm...
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Those people who think differently than the status quo are pressured to keep those thoughts to themselves

which happens in all spheres, not just public education.  Welcome to Earth.  You think it's better in the homeschooled Quaker community?  Or don't you read what happens here at ZH if you disagree with the Zero Hedge GroupThink?

I presume that nobody here except for me was educated by Public Schools? (I went to public K-12 although my post HS education was all at centers that are derided here for being "elite",)

If so, how did you escape this nefarious indoctrination?  was there something overly special about you? 

My guess is that 90% of the people or more posting here about the public school indoctrination went through that indoctrination themselves.  And yet here they are at ZH, not indoctrinated.  How is that? 

The answer: these educational places really aren't all that indoctrinating at all.  Or they try to be and they just aren't very good at it.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:32 | 2374067 akak
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I presume that nobody here except for me was educated by Public Schools? (I went to public K-12 although my post HS education was all at centers that are derided here for being "elite",)

If so, how did you escape this nefarious indoctrination?  was there something overly special about you? 

My guess is that 90% of the people or more posting here about the public school indoctrination went through that indoctrination themselves.  And yet here they are at ZH, not indoctrinated.  How is that?

Apparently, the basic principles of logical thinking were not a part of your public school education.

The fact that SOME of us avoided, or eventually escaped from, the ovewhelmingly obvious indoctrination of the public school system does not imply that MOST can or will do so --- most, in fact, do not.  The public indoctrination system indeed works quite well, just not perfectly.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:44 | 2373110 Bastiat
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Excellent insight!  I bear the scars and see it every day around me.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:44 | 2373111 bshirley1968
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Simply put, young people today are not taught to THINK but rather to ACCEPT what others have thought for them.

This is easy when they have no moral foundation of right and wrong.  When the world operates on a basic premise that there are no absolutes, then we can just make up right and wrong as we go.  When you don't know north from south, it's easy to get lost (actually you are lost) or be misdirected.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:45 | 2373840 XitSam
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I agree with a minor refinement:  young people today are taught that accepting what they are told ... is thinking.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:47 | 2373123 Scalaris
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What is crippling is the oversaturation of intellectual groupthink caused by the superabundance of corporate-influenced academic conformity and post-academic censure regarding any deviation from the prevalent social norms, by the established clerisy.

P.S.  Too lazy to read the post.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:52 | 2373152 GeneMarchbanks
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'groupthink' = jumbo shrimp = unbiased opinion = pretty ugly = clearly confused.

No such animal as 'groupthink'

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:07 | 2373222 Scalaris
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Of course there is, mainly when a specific group of thought, consisting by a specific type of intellectual entities, reaches critical mass, any dispute regarding their de facto flatulence which has been established as the summa theologica, is considered to be the equivalent of sacrilege.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:50 | 2373608 riphowardkatz
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Genemarchbank's thoughts can better be described as existing in a echo chamber.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:20 | 2374018 GeneMarchbanks
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How did it feel typing this then upticking your own comment? Was it a thrill?

Obviously you're a 'groupthinker'.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:48 | 2373131 Hobbleknee
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Screw respect and idolization.  I just want to be left alone with a good boat that is not accident prone!


Compare gold and silver prices

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:49 | 2373139 blunderdog
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Universities are large and fairly complex institutions.  There's good and bad to them and their function, pretty much like every other major endeavor undertaken by people.

Brandon Smith is mostly a wasted read.  For any good point he raises, it's so buried under the bullshit, unsupported claims, and venomous hostility that it's easy to forget what he's talking about.

Maybe we'll all be saved when someone right-thinking like Brandon gets to tell everyone what they have to study in order to perform useful work in society.  He's clearly given it a lot of thought--what could go wrong with that?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:00 | 2373178 Bastiat
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You failed to address the central ideas of the piece.  Your first two sentences are general truisms, the rest is ad hominem "bullshit."


Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:29 | 2373293 blunderdog
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I don't really see much point.  This is a thread of drooling fanbois.

But OK--his "central ideas" are specific criticisms of "universities" that are derived from a negative experience he had at a single meeting.  The meeting was attended by faculty, administrators, local politicians, and he found those people disappointing.

1) It doesn't follow that what he experienced at that meeting generalizes to "university" at all.  It may well be that those people he was dealing with have had their views shaped NOT by the "university," but by their employment experience and/or personal lives.

2) Even if it IS university life that led these specific individuals to hold views that Smith finds unacceptable, it doesn't follow that they are intellectual idiots crippling the USA.

3) Evaluating his specific set of numbered points is unnecessary--they are all criticisms of "intellectual idiots."  By definition, no one wants to "defend" an intellectual idiot--Smith chose the label so that no matter WHAT he says about them, you must accept his claims because he's DEFINING the term "intellectual idiot" based on his attacks.  No attempt to distinguish what separates the "intellectual idiot" from the "educated person" or "faculty member" is made. 

Ad-hominem is the point of the entire post.  He's calling unidentified people names, and asserting that these people are bad solely because of their association with the university.

It's completely transparent anti-intellectualism.  He hasn't engaged a single point that could be debated.  He may as well be a Nazi talking about Jews or a Klansman talking about niggers.

NOW...because this is a thread of drooling fanbois, perhaps this comment will be junked into oblivion.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:45 | 2373361 DOT
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Humans are disgusting, herd-following, self-serving animal fanbois. Nothing more.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:06 | 2373429 blunderdog
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It's a choice, it's not a result of being human.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:22 | 2373489 Bastiat
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"Ad-hominem is the point of the entire post. He's calling unidentified people names"

He's supporting the names with descriptions of specific behaviours and patterns of behaviour.


"NOW...because this is a thread of drooling fanbois"

Funny, the piece is actually about drooling fanbois who pose as those capable of critical thought. 

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