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Has Italy Gone Fascist?

In August this year, CLSA’s Russell Napier wrote: “Italy is scary – yields will rise when governments chose to take money from their savers – what Russell calls THE GREAT THEFT - Expect massive capital flight”.  Yet while Russell was commenting on Italy’s opening move in repressing private capital by raising the capital gains tax, but not on gains of government debt, the situation has moved with such speed over the past 5 months that the emergence of the first Fascist regime following the 2008 crisis can probably now be associated with the new Monti government.

And while Doug Casey addresses getting out of Dodge on these pages (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/doug-casey-addresses-getting-out-dodge), it may be time for Italian to get themselves as well as their capital even faster out of Pizzaland.

Here are the latest developments which are coming in at extraordinary speed:

  • The appointment in December of an unelected government. This government has no accountability and no fixed time mandate. It is being sold as being “technocratic”, but is in fact headed by a University Professor who is distinguished for: (i) having been head of the EU Internal Market Commission, where he used the power of the State to fine Microsoft and other corporate that were “getting too big for their boots”;(ii) being a good friend of Romano Prodi, another University Professor from the Communist  heartland of the University of Bologna and creator of the Euro (more on him later);(iii) a paid hand of Goldman Sachs and a friend of Mario Draghi, another Goldman puppet who dispatched of the government of Berlusconi within days of taking the helm of the ECB; (iv) a fervent believer in the pre-eminence of the state over the individual;
  • Prodi, the original architect of this catastrophe, famously made this comment in 2001, indicating that this cabal of Professors are playing a very long game indeed:

I am sure the Euro will oblige us to introduce a new set of economic policy instruments. It is politically impossible to propose that now. But some day there will be a crisis and new instruments will be created.”

Romano Prodi, EU Commission President, December 2001

  • Thanks to his friendship with Monti and the current government, he is very much still involved in shaping just what such instruments can be;

  • The passing of an extraordinary edict making cash transactions of more than Euro 1,000 illegal (not subject to reporting – just plain illegal). Following Prodi’s own desire, the existing regime has indicated that this level will be progressively reduced to a limit as low as Euro 300. Hence cash is maybe for the first time in history no longer legal tender (over Euro 1,000, for now);
  • A requirement that credit card companies report all transactions carried out by Italians, in Italy and abroad to the fiscal authorities;
  • Delays and refusals by banks in allowing customers to withdraw  cash balances of as little as Euro 10,000;
  • Finance Police has placed cameras at the physical borders with Switzerland (see below) to register all license plates. In addition, currency-sniffing dogs have been deployed at the border (http://www.cdt.ch/ticino-e-regioni/cronaca/56250/fiscovelox-riapparsi-no...).

Events in Italy must be watched closely. The country that gifted Fascism to the world in the 1930s was widely admired even by FDR, who held Mussolini in high regard and was no doubt inspired in many of his own policy choices.  Will Italy lead the way once more, as politicians in Europe and the US watch to see what oppressive policies they may get away with?

And while Russell Napier (correctly) foresees capital controls being imposed and suggested that one parks his cash in Singapore dollars, Italians may want to get themselves out as well before the current group of Professors slams the gates shut. Things are moving even faster than one of the world’s leading financial historians could foresee.

 


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Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:06 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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A little off topic, but speaking of Facism and the future of countires, "Need to Know" on PBS had a very good documentary piece tonight about Main Street and the econmoy, and how much it sucked and is nothing like any recession since the Great Depression.

At the end of the show they showed a link to a poll about which politician could fix the economy called "Waiting for Superman".

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/economy/poll-waiting-for-superman/1...

Not Obama, or Romney, and not even "none of the above" but "Ron Paul" at 38%.  A surprising result IMHO for a PBS website.

Click on the "Home" link to find the poll and vote.

I'm long Gold, Silver, & Austria.

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:14 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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I was voter #80.

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:16 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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Obumma beating "none of the above" by 3 votes.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 00:02 | Link to Comment He_Who Carried ...
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"The country that gifted Fascism to the world in the 1930..."

Whoever this "Morpheus" fella is, history is not among his strengths...

"F" !!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 00:40 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Careful...   The Randers here don't want to confuse their reality with history.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 00:56 | Link to Comment spiral_eyes
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Ron Paul doesn't need to win anything.

The Fed is abolishing itself through bad policies.

http://azizonomics.com/2012/01/06/breaking-the-banks/

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 02:48 | Link to Comment forexskin
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#584

and... one more for RP

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:47 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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morpheus is right that modern fascism starts in italy with mussolini.  however it is earlier, mid twenties or so (he called himself "il duce" in 1925 and crucial elections to power were characterized by widespread voter intimidation and key assassinations  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini).  

at 5:40 a.m. ron paul has 69% and obama is trailing "none of the above".  hope the new hampshire primary helps ron paul.  p.s. even if one intends to vote for obama in the general election, why not vote for paul in an open primary (or reregister for the closed that still have time  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election)?  he's supposed to be eminently beatable and the political theater would be far more entertaining than romney, santorum, et. al.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 07:02 | Link to Comment Popo
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[quote]

  • The passing of an extraordinary edict making cash transactions of more than Euro 1,000 illegal (not subject to reporting – just plain illegal). Following Prodi’s own desire, the existing regime has indicated that this level will be progressively reduced to a limit as low as Euro 300. Hence cash is maybe for the first time in history no longer legal tender (over Euro 1,000, for now);

[/quote]

 

Cash transactions over 300 Euro might be illegal?   ...So I guess that means no more hookers and blow?

 

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment bigkahuna
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8:42 am EST - Ron Paul 71%

none of the above 13 %

Obama 11 %

No one else even close...all around 1%

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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10:15 CST: RP up to 75% with 1234 votes cast (the last one being mine). None of the above: 12%. Obama: 9%.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Jena
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And now RP 76% with 1425 votes cast.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment blindfaith
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time to short eBay and Paypal

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Red Herring
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No, this is their way to cause deflation in hookers and blow - less cash money chasing same amount of goods and services!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:07 | Link to Comment pain_and_soros
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No, this is their way to cause deflation in hookers and blow - less cash money chasing same amount of goods and services!

done as a favor to Berlesqueoni

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment trav7777
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rules don't apply to government officials.  The more absurd they make the rules, the more the regular people will just violate them anyhow.

The arrogance of these governors is amazing.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment TheLooza
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It just means cheaper hookers and dirtier blow.  Or dirtier hookers and cheaper blow.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 19:40 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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either/or --- who said life was fair?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:50 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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i liked the pitched roof and lapped boards.  oh that's not part of the truck?_

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:44 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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How much are you asking for the snow and the giant christmas trees?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment Sheriff Douchen...
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Sweet. It makes sense to keep a home mobile when the great uprising starts.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 03:21 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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Aaaaaa, what's wrong eating on rand? Don't like him cause he tell's you gubermint troll's to stay the fuck out of our lives?

Your called dead weight darlin......... Time to cut expenses and you tit eater's are it...........

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:12 | Link to Comment Cast Iron Skillet
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ummm ... maybe "don't like HER ... " ... Ayn Rand was a woman.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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If so then my bad, I thought the name was in regard's to Rand Paul. That is why my comment's are edged torward gubernment intervention into personal affair's. 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Yes, she was the jewess who pushed "individualism" for the goyim-but not for her tribe.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:12 | Link to Comment TK7936
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Mussoliniwas MI6

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:47 | Link to Comment flacon
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Later he was MI55ING his head.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:11 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I'm pretty sure they used his head to keep the rope around his neck in place....

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:56 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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he was shot and his corpse famously hung upside down.  still had his head though.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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"he was shot and his corpse famously hung upside down"

 

By communists.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment SoCalBusted
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Last picture I saw of Mussi he was held in high regard, from a lamp post.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment par4
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He was hung from his heels at an ESSO station after being shot by communist partisans as retaliation for a previous massacre. Along with his mistress and some other criminals in arms of his. Try Google for pictures and note U.S. servicmen in the crowd.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 05:48 | Link to Comment ArgentoFisico
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Tyler forgot to remember how a lot of italian pensioners used to cash their pension and now have to pass trough a bank and credit cards.. and are getting mad using this kind of stuff they never used.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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The greater portion of pensioners still go to the post office to cash their pension checks... You always KNOW which days to avoid going to the post office... It's like WalMart on the day SNAP cards are activated...

[EDIT - after seeing "junk"]

LOL - I lived in Italy for a dozen years (up until fairly recently)... I was there during the entire transition from Lira to Euro... I used to go to the Post Office (as most Italians do) to pay their various "bolletta" (electricity bills, gas bills, even TV tax, yes - in Italy, even if you have a TV with rabbit ears antenna, you have to pay a tax for the fucking RAI 1, RAI 2, RAI 3, & 3 MediaSet [Berlusconi owned] stations)... What I stated above is TRUE (based on 12 years of direct observation on "traffic" in the Post Office (because that's where the pensioners went also to cash their checks)...

& some stupid fuck junks me for my comment... Oh well... Kind of funny...

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:30 | Link to Comment Pizza spaghetti...
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"Whoever this "Morpheus" fella is, history is not among his strengths..."

Morpheus is right.

True that the Fascism got the power in Italy in 1922. However, until the '30s the Fascism was eminently and purely an internal Italian matter.

it was only "in the 1930" that Italy "gifted Fascism to the world".

Morpheus is right also about the Monti government as a new form of Fascism. As a matter of fact Fascism was in essence a corporativistic ideology and in the Monti government there are many corporate men: the "super" minister for economy, concentrating three former Departments under his control, is Corrado Passera, who used to be, until the day before he was appointed minister, the CEO of Banca Intesa, the largest bank in the country and the major shareholder of Banca d'Italia, the Italian Central Bank.

What could be more corporativistic than that? Jamie Dimon becoming Secretary of Treasure in the US ?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 07:03 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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sorry for stepping on your answer.  as for what could be more "corporativistic" than italy?  i fear the u.s. is finding out by electing g.w. bush for two terms, electing obama to "reform his excesses" then nominating romney to oppose obama (thankfully yet to be determined).  i truly think these devils make the cliched "worst presidents" that preceded lincoln look like statesmen of the highest principles and of visionary practicality.  oh our poor country.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment pain_and_soros
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who controls the corporates in Italy?  Mafioso by any chance?

who controls the sheeple?  could it be the Catholic church?

The perfect system for total control based on corruption, fear and enslavement, coming to a country near you.

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment buckethead
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Think; Hank Paulson

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment He_Who Carried ...
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"...Fascism got the power in Italy in 1922"...

This candidate gets one "A-". BUT, although "Fascism" was an Italian invention and was effectively "gifted to the world" in the 1920ies (no matter whether or not the "world" chose to embrace its ideas in the 1930ies only -read Goebbels speeches from the 1920ies, for example-), the ultra conservative movement (which interestingly inspired Tolkien's description of the people of Rohan) started out in France (circles around Gobineau) for similar reasons than the Italian.... then ultimately inspired conservatives from Britain to Italy, from Belgium to Germany (circles around R.Wagner's son-in-law -Chamberlain-), Hungary and so forth...

Its political thought-system embarrassed itself for being strangely antisemitic (wrongly based on false propaganda spread by the Russian intelligence service)...

Cut out the antisemitism for being dangerously idiotic in order to study its motivations and you will find anticommunism/antisocialist ideas at its very core.

This monetary debt crisis brings back Socialist agendas through the back door to our table as ultimately those who will have to pay for these government's failures and ludicrous overspending are those who own anything 'physical' much like in the US in the 30ies, I fear.

Have a good one, everyone...!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Check out some hot Italian fascist chicks in this old propaganda film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsncIR82p1E&feature=related   

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment He_Who Carried ...
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Nothing "hot" there, just a terribly mislead youth, that soon got forced in to some most awful and idiotic "adventures" in Abessinia (Africa)  in search for dreams of ancient glory and lost Roman imperial "grandeur"... Very sad, indeed!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Kayman
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What could be more corporativistic than that? Jamie Dimon becoming Secretary of Treasure in the US ?

How about the current occupant of the highchair.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 07:29 | Link to Comment bombimbom
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It doesn't seem you know what corporatism really is/was. corporatism is actually something Monty is trying to dismantle, but it ain't easy. corporativism comes from "corporazioni delle arti e mestieri" ie medieval guilds. associations of workers/employers/artisans worked like a mix of trade unions and cartels. and still are there in some form and shape. think, cab drivers cartel, pharmacists cartel etc etc

2 are the things Italy should throw away as they are an ever growing burden: corporativism and patronage (clientelismo)

generally speaking the original blog post is between hallucinatory and misguided

for a start Monty has received a vote of confidence from the parliament and each and every decision must get the approval of both the houses. ie Monty, like it or not, is there as a result of parliamentary democracy and remains there till he has a majority in the parliament.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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You obviously haven't studied much Italian history. Mussolini did gift the world with Fascism (starting in the late twenties), FDR and many world leaders were admirers, including Hitler.

Read John Flynn's, "As We Go Marching".

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:39 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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Mussolini came to power in 1922, but I guess the twenties are the new thirties... or somethiing like that...

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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Fascist currency-sniffing dogs..I briefly dated one! 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Yancey Ward
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Yeah, everybody knows Fascism was invented by George Bush.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 19:59 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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"you can take the face off of fascism - but the tears of quelled tyranny will  forever stain the ism"

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:26 | Link to Comment economics1996
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The ending of the Mayan calendar in 2012 is as misunderstood as the interplay between credit and debt and supply and demand; but the coincident collapse of the current economic paradigm and an arcane indicator of change should not be dismissed.

Professor David Hackett Fisher in The Great Wave, Price Revolutions and the Rhythm of History writes that for the last eight hundred years, periods of economic and social stability have been intermittently interrupted by waves of rising prices.

Each of these great waves according to Professor Fisher culminated in the economic and societal collapse of the existing order, bringing to an end the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Age of Enlightenment, etc.

During each great wave…Food and fuel led the upward movement. Manufactured goods and services lagged behind. These patterns indicated that the prime mover was excess aggregate demand, generated by an acceleration of population growth, or by rising living standards, or both.

… Prices went higher, and became increasingly unstable. They began to surge and decline in movements of increasing volatility. Severe price-shocks were felt in commodity movements. The money supply was alternately expanded and contracted.

Financial markets became unstable. Government spending grew faster than revenue, and public debt increased at a rapid rate…Wages, which had at first kept up with prices, now lagged behind.

Returns to labor declined while returns to land and capital increased. The rich grew richer. Inequalities of wealth and income increased. So did hunger, homelessness, crime, violence, drink, drugs, and family disruption.

..Finally, the great wave crested and broke with shattering force in a cultural crisis that included demographic contraction, economic collapse, political revolution, international war and social violence - pp. 237-238, David Hackett Fisher, The Great Wave: Price Revolutions and the Rhythm of History, Oxford University Press, 1996

Great waves take 80 to160 years before they end in the eventual decline and collapse of existing epochs. Today, another great wave is about to crest and break; and the changes could be even more extreme as the amplitude of change is greater than in any previous wave.

The current great wave began in 1896. That it could crest and break in 2012 could be a coincidence. Or, it may not.

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment economics1996
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Its all over but the crying.

..Finally, the great wave crested and broke with shattering force in a cultural crisis that included demographic contraction, economic collapse, political revolution, international war and social violence 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:48 | Link to Comment RebelYell
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Stop rubbing yourself in public.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:29 | Link to Comment cossack55
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You can pretty much learn the same thing by watching the deer population in any given year.  Lots of rain, good sun, too many deer, happy hunters takin' em' out before they starve to death in the winter.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:58 | Link to Comment infinity8
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You're full of shit.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 03:13 | Link to Comment akak
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Your analysis is unassailable.

You've convinced me.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment Husk-Erzulie
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POD :-)

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment infinity8
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I wasn't talking to you, nor was I trying to convince anyone of anything. When I am, you'll know it.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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All the wave cycles are coalescing into one giant wave called the "Wiamea Crunch", and human civilization can be pictured as a clueless, pasty-white barney from the midwest, paddling his rented styrofoam single skeg shortboard directly into the impact zone.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment trav7777
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For the life of me, I have NO idea wth all this hype is over the freakin Mayan calendar.  It barely predates the gregorian calendar.  The jewish calendar is still going after far longer.  The Mayans built a 700-year calendar..whoopie sh!t.

The mayans reached their height in 1300 *AD*.  Not BC.  Because of how primitive mesoamericans were, I think there is this tendency to judge them against civilizations at similar levels of advancement, and then mistakenly assume that they made those achievements at the same time in history.  Error.

The mayans were a late stone age/early bronze age civilization at peak in 1100-1300 *AD*.  They did not achieve what they did contemporary to early sumeria, 5 or 6000 years prior.

So they built a calendar that lasted all of 800 years or so...big deal. 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:13 | Link to Comment TwelfthVulture
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And the predictive power of the calendar apparently failed to foresee the coming Spanish conquest.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:24 | Link to Comment macholatte
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voter 467 here

  • Ron Paul (61%, 286 Votes)
  • President Obama (17%, 81 Votes)
  • None of the above (16%, 74 Votes)
  • Jon Huntsman (2%, 10 Votes)
  • Newt Gingrich (1%, 7 Votes)
  • Mitt Romney (1%, 5 Votes)
  • Rick Santorum (1%, 3 Votes)
  • Rick Perry (1%, 2 Votes)
  • Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:34 | Link to Comment macholatte
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    Unfortunately "fixing the economy" is not a relevant issue. Other things are way more important such as:

    - did candidate X cheat on his wife

    - will any government employees lose their jobs or not get a pay raise

    - is candidate X pretty

    - abortion

    - gay marriage

    - the supply of Air Jordan sneakers at Wal Mart

    - etc.

     

    We avenge intellect when we dupe a fool, and it is a victory not to be despised for a fool is covered with steel and it is often very hard to find his vulnerable part.
    Giacomo Casanova 

     

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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    Perhaps my interpretation of our constitution is off, but it does appear to state that there is a seperation of church and state; therefore, why are religious issues such as abortion and gay rights even discussed?

     

    Why do we even permit foreign governments to have lobbies in D.C.???How can permitting them serve the interests of a citizen, in this country?

     

    Our government has devolved into one the is elected by the people but serving various special interest groups...we have the appearance of a democracy, just as our SEC gives the appearance of regulating the securities industry.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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    Where is this separation business?  I read it and it says

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

    Establishing is a no, no and interfering is a no,no..  Separation don't see it..  No tortured reading of Jeferson's accumulated works can change that simple phrase..

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment nmewn
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    "Perhaps my interpretation of our constitution is off...but it does appear to state that there is a seperation of church and state; therefore, why are religious issues such as abortion and gay rights even discussed?"

    It is off.

    Freedom OF religion is not the same as freedom FROM religion. It simply means there can be no state sanctioned national religion.

    As an aside, this misconception is often used to prevent a simple prayer at the beginning of a high school football game because its on "government owned grounds". Because you see, some poor atheist or Wiccan might have his or her delicate sensibilities hurt before the violence starts after the kickoff ;-)

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Sheriff Douchen...
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    +1 to macholatte

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 07:38 | Link to Comment spankfish
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    Hopefully this voting was not done on Diebold machines... TPTB will have to fix the results.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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    You people are joking with this "vote" right? I remember a tech magazine once polled its readers on the best smartphone. The landslide winner was the Palm Pre. Please turn your attention somewhere else. Help to create a viable third party in this country. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that we would be governed by only 2 political parties. Forget about the republican primaries; it's already been decided.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment trav7777
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    so a bunch of you packed the vote and you think this means what...?

    It's not representative of anything.  The poll is not scientific nor controlled in any manner.  It's statistically worthless.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:21 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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    Voter #510 (for Ron Paul)

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment xela2200
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    I was voter #1,012

    Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:31 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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    Paul outpolls EVERY Republican candidate other than Romney.  He's almost within the margin of error vs. Obama.

    But, see, there's this concept called The Big Lie, invented by Joseph Goebbels for the Nazis.  The unelectability of Ron Paul is such a huge lie, it can be disproven with even a cursory look at the polls:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

    Talk about sick fucks in the elite. 

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 00:19 | Link to Comment Rob Jones
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    The other big lie is that Romney is a Republican.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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    Red Team idiot.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:32 | Link to Comment akak
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    The even bigger lie is that Romnoid is human.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment xela2200
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    I think that You can take care of that with Preparation H.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment trav7777
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    people thought their choices couldn't get worse than last time; they're about to be proven wrong.

    Busch 2.0 versus Mormney...this is a real FML moment for americans.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:36 | Link to Comment macholatte
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    and the other Big Lie is that Barry was born in the USA and is a Democrat.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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    Part of the whole issue swirling around photoshopped certificates & what not is the idea that... Assuming everything is alright & OK with regards to the Obama birthplace & citizenship... There is actually an issue as to whether or not Hawaii is really a state...

    I won't bore anybody with it by taking up too much space on this thread, but here's an interesting link to the story (& controversy) regarding Hawaii statehood...

    http://www.hawaii-nation.org/statehood.html

    Bottom line is that the US seized Hawaii unlawfully from the onset, then, when it came along to finally VOTING for statehood, most of the potential 'dissenting' votes (which were basically natives) were not allowed to participate... Who WERE allowed to participate were American servicemen who represented a majority of the potential voting population...

    In any case, it all seems apropos that Obama should have his ties to Hawaii (& Chicago)...

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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    Dumb. It won't go anywhere.

    Just for fun though bring up a representation of the fake certificate on your own and analize two things on your own:

    (1) Zoom in on the doctors signature. Focus on the 'A' for Alvin. Compare that 'A' to any other examples available of this individuals signature.

    (2) Understand that in 1961 manual typewriters were employed to fill out documents. Manual typewriters have fixed set for letter representation. Some degree of 'smudge' would be expected, however entirely different individual letter shape configurations would not be possible. Look at the document on your own and detirmine if it is plausible that multiple typewriters were used in creating the document? I mean hell, we are talking about the demi god obama here so maybe some divine intervention took place? Maybe angels took turns creating the designated ones credentials?

    Who knows? At the end of the day though such issues won't touch this guy. Just for fun on a slow Saturday though you really should take the time to look into it on your own. I'll put up a link to the document but I suggest that you ignore mine and find your own from any source you wish. Best maybe to go to a pro obama site even?

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certifica...

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:43 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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    @ISEEIT

    Don't interpret my above comment as really giving a FF as to the issue of Obama's "citizenship"...

    Well... Let me qualify that better... In my heart of hearts (on a personal level)... I think it would ROYALLY SUCK if there were people around (including himself), who were 'hiding' his legitimacy, under law, to be qualified to be POTUS...

    I further think that if Obama supporters were given real evidence to prove that everything was falsified... & then still made the "Oh so what" argument (basically saying that "we'll let this one slide, cause we like the guy")... Then they're hypocrites...

    But that's where my interest stops...

    I believe that in the long course of time, things become revealed... & furthermore, I'm not inclined to press the issue... Let people who are so dedicated do that work... My MAIN POINT (for the above comment), was to use an example (of the Hawaii statehood issue), to expose yet another in a long line of historical distortions to perception that you are being fed by the MSM (& the public school system)...

    To give you another example of what I'm talking about... I had a face to face discussion with a friend of mine (re: Iran, Straits of Hormuz, etc. & all the stuff that's been going on recently)... I presented the "false flag" argument to this friend and she retailiated by saying the US "would never" do that... So I proceeded to ask here if she knew about:

    - The Maine (Spanish American War)

    - The Lusitania (WWI)

    - Pearl Harbor (WWII)

    - Operation Northwoods

    - The Gulf of Tonkin (Vietnam)

    - 9/11 & WMD's (the current FIATsco's)

    the earlier ones she'd never heard of, but she, of course knew about the latter ones &, of course was convinced that the "story" on them was what was fed to her... Without prompting, she even made a forceful statement that "Yeah, but "Pearl Harbor" & "9/11" were attacks on out own soil" (thus, solidifying the NEED to fight abroad, so that it never happens here)...

    So I said... (& this is notwithstanding our oil issues with the Japanese prior to Pearl Harbor)... "You realize, don't you, that Hawaii was NOT A U.S. STATE at the time Pearl Harbor was attacked" (not that it really makes a difference in a meaningful way because an attack is an attack... But simply that, after 70 years, 'retrofitting' (based on the knowledge of new generations, is that it was an attack ON AMERICAN SOIL (as if it hapened in San Diego)...

    WTF ever (I've been rambling all day ~ thoughtwise)

     

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:29 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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    Romney is a big government guy, wants to make government work better, get more bang for the buck.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 05:12 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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    Goebbels did not "invent" the "big lie" for the NAZIs, he was talking about OTHER govvernments using the big lie.

    Do a little research before mouthing off with some bull shit.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:22 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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    Nothing new under the Sun.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 08:04 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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    Goebbels and the Nazis did indeed developing their theories of propaganda by observing the British, and the way that during World War I the British managed to make the Germans artificially look like devils worse than themselves, as part of the campaign to get the Americans involved in a war that the Germans had basically won before the Americans entered.

    The Nazis then expanded and extended the propaganda techniques ... taking the more subtle mechanisms and magnifying them. Like Goebbels' staged 'man-in-the-street' interviews: "Well, mein Herr, what do YOU think of Adolf Hitler? ..."

    And then the Americans copied the Nazis, realising that propaganda is most of the game of international war and terrorism, and that they could kill and oppress millions, even their own citizens, running the world's largest gulag inside the USA (2.3+ million prisoners right now) if they just implement aggressive policies of media control, spinning fascism as freedom, playing the public like a 'Wurlitzer' organ.

    So hence the CIA's decades-old 'Operation Mockingbird' of media control, today the CIA is able to plant info in the half-dozen or so companies that own most media in the US, the CIA's Google, the CIA's Wikipedia ... fooling most sheeple, and overwhelming anything that's on 'blogs' like ZeroHedge.

    Works damn well.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment xela2200
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    Propaganda techniques have been used for centuries. The Egyptians even the Mayans did it. The only thing that has changed during the centuries are the means of communications. Now it is the internet and facebook (Egypt, End Wall street). That is why the government is so desperate to control the internet. Those who understand communication with its new technologies and can manipulate sentiment will control the people. Hitler loved movies and Radio. He used them to great effect.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment trav7777
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    please don't put the Egyptians and Mayans in the same sentence.  These two civilizations were 4000 years apart.

    Put the Mayans in with the Ottomans or Magna Carta or something for which they were contemporaneous.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:38 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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    The Mayans were unknown to the Magna Carta era britons, and vice versa. Two different timelines. Studying the Mayans or any other pre-columbian civilisation in compare and constrast mode to Eurasian ones of any time before 1492 helps us understand what is naturally common to our species. Human nature if you will: We build hierarchies, with religious belief systems, approved myths stories enemies and purposes that help to motivate people.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:40 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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    I.E. the desire to and the practice of shaping narratives is human.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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    Those who understand communication with its new technologies and can manipulate sentiment will control the people.

    I beg to differ only in one sense... THOSE WHO CANNOT BE CONTROLLED WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED... Zero Hedge is an example of that... & don't give me any bullshit about "shutting it down"... Yeah ~ like that's ever worked with prohibition, censorship, weed, or anything else...

    People who want to be controlled will be controlled... Those that don't, WILL NEVER BE CONTROLLED...

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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    FDR had fireside chats...the Brits and the Germans had "Firebomb Exhortations." The two worlds (Europe and the USA) couldn't have been any more different back then. America fought the War because we were in the worst economic downturn in our history. For us winning The War was all about the wife, two cars, two kids, the house, a television and nice driveway with a garage. I have no clue what's going in today's polity. Needless to say "phuck your car, phuck your kids, phuck your house and phuck your driveway, i am banging your wife...but here...have all the televisions you want!" seems to me to about sum it up. So yes, I guess in that sense Goebbels has indeed proven to be the ulitmate victor in all this crap.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Kayman
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     For us winning The War was all about the wife, two cars, two kids, the house, a television and nice driveway with a garage.

    I think you are a decade ahead of yourself.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment xcehn
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    "The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
    --William Colby, former CIA Director, cited by Dave Mcgowan, Derailing Democracy

    "You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month."
    --CIA operative, discussing the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. Katherine the Great, by Deborah Davis

    "There is quite an incredible spread of relationships.  You don’t need to manipulate Time magazine, for example, because there are [Central Intelligence] Agency people at the management level."
    --William B. Bader, former CIA intelligence officer, briefing members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, The CIA and the Media, by Carl Bernstein

    "The Agency's relationship with [The New York] Times was by far its most valuable among newspapers, according to CIA officials.  [It was] general Times policy ... to provide assistance to the CIA whenever possible."
    --The CIA and the Media, by Carl Bernstein"

    http://mtracy9.tripod.com/cia_media.htm

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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    Well let's just say I used the Medium Lie :*)

    It made the point within my self-policed standard of accuracy, which is a lot higher than many folks'. 

    The Nazis 'developed and 'named' the big lie rather than 'inventing' it?  They weren't the first government on Earth to lie as a policy?

    Wow.  That's...heavy, Mighty Moe.  Your sense of history is only matched by your evident respect for your fellow Interwebizens.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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    "Andy" Sullivan has started digging where, I believe, the proponents of the status quo whould rather he not dig, so soon.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/06/us-campaign-romney-bailout-idUSTRE8050LL20120106

    There is still time to bring down the Barbarian from Bain aka Gordon Gekko before his coronation.

     

    An Ironic Ron Paul PSA reminder from the thankfully less influential lips of Donald Rumsfeld...

    You go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.

    So it's either "one of their guys" or the "One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong, Can you tell which thing is not like the others. By the time I finish my song?Everything else is noise which supports the traditional strategy and strategery of divide et impera.

     

    And just to clarify, hell did not freeze over, and I have nothing good to say about his foreign policy, other than given the limited potential choices- in a worst case scenario- he is committing the original, cardinal, and capital sin of diplomacy- and actually speaking honestly to a broad audience, which ironically will have the undesirable side effect of endangering that very audience, and in which case he is still a less bad option than where the present course of contradictory and insane policies will end up. 

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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    I'm getting calls from some of my more partisan friends back in the States saying the dogs of war are being unleashed on the inevitable one.  Sounds like a good old fashioned preppy weenie roast, I'm REALLY bumbed no one bothered to mail an invite since we have a functioning postal service over here.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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    In the actual Goebbels speech he was referring to the Big Lie used by the jewish press in Germany-that speech is online somewhere.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment trav7777
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    google Bernays

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Kayman
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    What delicious irony. Telling the Big Lie about the Big Lie.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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    Exactly.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:24 | Link to Comment saiybat
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    Ron Paul is playing it smart. He's destroying the other competition one by one and not really going on the offensive against Romney yet. Romney is the clear pick as the Republican candidate. You can expect him to spend all his campaign funds in a national attack ads that'll discredit Romney for the complete phony that he is. Like this little piece that's not covered in the US media

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083002/Mitt-Romney-19-demonstra...

    For the Vietnam war while he was draft dodging then changed his position to be anti war once it ended.

    They'll never allow Ron Paul to be president and they'll either have Romney steal it from him or Obama and it'll be obvious. Whatever happens it'll expose this farce that they call democracy. You can expect mass movements refusing to pay taxes and jury nullification. People will generally live their life like the government doesn't exist because the idea of freedom has taken root and it'll never stop growing. Freedom is never given and it has to be earned and it's time the people put the state in its place.

    Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:47 | Link to Comment tempo
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    Where are going to go when there are capital controls throughout the developed world and its illegal to own gold?? On C2C last night, the guest expert recommended moving your gold to Swizerland. Oh really. The US could mandate that all gold no matter where it is stored be turned over at say $50/oz or face prison w/o a trial. Do you really think you can get away from "big sis"?

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:28 | Link to Comment caconhma
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    Booz and drugs were/are also illegal. So what?  Almost averybody use(d) them.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:30 | Link to Comment CharlieSDT
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    Unfortunately I lost all my gold in a tragic dogsledding accident in Alaska.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:09 | Link to Comment Zero Debt
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    Unfortunately I lost all my gold in a tragic mountain climbing adventure in the Himalayas.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:32 | Link to Comment cossack55
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    Ditto. Fishing accident on the Ohio River.  All my guns and ammo went down with the boat too.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 05:15 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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    Mine too, south of louisville.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment bigkahuna
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    F that S cuz I aint the one...

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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    I melted all my former gold bars into a portrait of the TOTUS emblazened with "Yes we Can" & "Hope & Change" on it, and it plays "Hail to the Chief" on a continuous loop... Then I donated it to ACORN for all the charitable work they do...

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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    Please allow me to add my tale of woe.  I took mine to Vegas...  But, instead of gambling it all away, I decided to be smart and drove 100 miles or so north, walked 9 miles around a mountain and buried it 4 feet deep.  But, I left my GPS there in the car.  Doh!

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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    My wife had the cleanout guy clean out all my guns and ammo while I was engrossed in the Zero Hedge forum-she thinks I'm a conspiracy nut because I support Ron Paul.*

     

    * The above post is a fictional dramatization.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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    I was going to do the same exact thing, but mine went to the bottom of Lake Tahoe. I'm glad ACORN got their TOTUS anyway.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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    Unfortunately I lost all my gold in an tragic active volcano hiking accident in Guatemala.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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    Oh... & I forgot to mention the OTHER HALF of my FORMER gold stash was divvied up in 2 and donated to:

    - The Nobel Society (to melt into a medallion to honor the TOTUS, & Jimmy Carter with a Peace Prize)

    - to the Academy Of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences (to melt into an OSCAR for the unselfish & tireless work Al Gore put into Global Warming)...

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 02:05 | Link to Comment infinity8
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    Yes, you can get away from "big sis" - use your fucking imagination. If you don't have one, you may indeed be fucked. In which case, what are you whining about? Buckle up, candy-ass, you're going for a ride.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Muddy1
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    The US is already working with the Swiss to find hidden American assets.  When the Swiss didn't want to cooperate we screwed with their banking system.  They saw the light.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment Kayman
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    The US is already working with the Swiss to find hidden American assets.

    The Swiss operation was restricted to political enemies.  Were any American politicians outed from their secret bank accounts ?

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 00:09 | Link to Comment navy62802
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    That's because people know that the traditional economics of the past several decades is not going to help us. In fact, the traditional economics will simply put us further down the road of ruin. And Ron Paul is the only candidate offering anything different. He offers a common sense approach to the problem. People recognize that.

    By the way, Paul currently stands at 55% in the poll you linked.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:00 | Link to Comment Gyro Gearloose
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    Ron Paul at 58% now.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 02:50 | Link to Comment you enjoy myself
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    i love Ron Paul too, but "surprising" is not the word i'd use when referring to him winning any online poll, anywhere, at any time.  let me know of an online poll that he doesn't win.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:09 | Link to Comment OldPhart
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    Voter 660 and Ron Paul is at 40%

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:51 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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    Wow!

    Ron Paul (69%, 526 Votes)

     

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 07:12 | Link to Comment Jolly.Roger
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    EE debt is gunna destroy the austrian banks

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment Muddy1
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    The events reported in the first bullet sound a lot like Obama and his czars, many of whom were never vetted nor approved by the Congress.  And it reminds me of his oft spoken plan to just "go around" Congress.

    The limits on cash transactions and gradual reduction of thos limits, as well as reporting all credit card transactions at home and abroad is downright scary.  I use cash all the time to "control" my spending, and to keep transactions anonyous.

    If the cameras on the Swiss borders pointing inward towards Italy it reminds me of the wires along the tops of the Berlin wall.  They used the brackets that are at an angle and the angle pointed towards east Berlin, to keep the people IN, not to keep people from the west out.

    Great article.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:53 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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    Common fencing technique found on all prison fences.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:50 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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    The revolution can't be televised since it is live street SHOW-UP theater and the bankster's police break the cameras. That is the Test of any revolution. Mobile phone plans that fed their greed are working nicely to trump the chumps worldwide.

    Italy wiil turn paper into pasta once again just like it did in Marco Polo time.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:33 | Link to Comment Urban Roman
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    At 1152 votes, RP at 74%.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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    Guys, if RP reaches like 90% in this poll, they might remove all votes which have zerohedge.com as referrer, or remove a bunch of RP votes anyway.

    Let's monitor this closely.

    Ron Paul (75%, 911 Votes) still about 1 vote per minute. :-D

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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    ebworthen

    A little off topic, but speaking of Facism and the future of countires, "Need to Know" on PBS had a very good documentary piece tonight about Main Street and the econmoy, and how much it sucked and is nothing like any recession since the Great Depression.

    At the end of the show they showed a link to a poll about which politician could fix the economy called "Waiting for Superman".

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/economy/poll-waiting-for-superman/1...

    Not Obama, or Romney, and not even "none of the above" but "Ron Paul" at 38%. A surprising result IMHO for a PBS website.

    Click on the "Home" link to find the poll and vote.

    I'm long Gold, Silver, & Austria.

     

    None of the above (12%, 151 Votes)

    I am Long Food (more than 7 days), weather proof ammo and short fingers! FTW!! BITCHEZ!!!

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment HL Shancken
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    FP: Tell us about the Prime Minister of Italy, Romano Prodi (also former President of the European Commission) and his relations with the KGB.

    Stroilov: Romano Prodi was described to Alexander by a senior KGB/FSB colleague, three star General Trofimov, as ‘our man in Italy’. He told Alexander that Prodi had ‘collaborated with the KGB’ and ‘carried out KGB missions’. Moreover, after 1996 the FSB had restored its relations with the old KGB agents of influence in the West. So, Gen. Trofimov and Alexander himself reckoned that Prodi might still be dangerous.

    In February 2006, Alexander was interviewed about that by Mario Scaramella, a consultant to the Guzzanti Commission of Italian Parliament, which investigated the KGB’s activities in Italy. The video-record of that interview was kept secret at the time, and intended only for a closed-doors parliamentary investigation. (After Alexander’s death it was made public, and the transcript of it is included in the Allegations.)

    However, two months later Alexander encouraged Gerard Batten, Member of European Parliament for London, to make his accusation against Prodi public. Gerard did that on 3 April 2006 in his speech to the European Parliament. The Parliament declined to investigate the matter, as Gerard insisted it should do; nor did Prodi himself ever comment on it as long as Alexander was alive. However, just eight days after Litvinenko’s death, Italian left-wing newspapers ‘revealed’ how Sen. Guzzanti and Scaramella were ‘plotting’ to discredit Prodi by alleging he had links to the KGB. Prodi himself, in a clumsy imitation of fury, announced he would instruct his lawyers to take legal action over these allegations. In event, no such legal action was taken.

    Mario Scaramella was arrested as soon as he returned to Italy on Christmas of the same year. He is still kept in prison without a trial, and may stay there for the rest of his life. For the Italian legal system enables the prosecution to keep him in jail for three months on some particular charges, then drop those charges, put forward some new ones, and jail him for another three months. So it goes on and on for a year now, against the background of a perpetual propaganda campaign against Scaramella. Indeed, he is one of the first political prisoners in the emerging Gulag of the EUSSR.

     

    http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=29472

     

    http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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    This is seriously badly researched by someone that has only a passing glance knowledge of Italy.

    Just a few points:

    - The President of the Italian Republic who just installed his choice as "Prime Minister" is an ex-communist

    - The cited colleque of the PM, Romano Prodi is affiliated to the parties derived from the disintegration of the communist party

    - re "Italians may want to get themselves out as well before the current group of Professors slams the gates shut." Italians have a long history of keeping some assets outside of Italy, not long ago they repatriated part of them thanks to a special law, so it's a bit like trying to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs

    Sun, 01/08/2012 - 07:43 | Link to Comment bombimbom
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    the positive aspect of the original post and subsequent comments is that it makes for a remarkable quantity of LOLs if you're in a good mood. :D

    Sun, 01/08/2012 - 02:16 | Link to Comment outofhere
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    Great link, off topic or not eb.

    The secret we need to decipher to determine a candidates agenda is who are their campaign contributors.

    Found this thread to be of particular interest when i viewed that link. 

    National Inflation Association

    @ 1:45 into video.  This was a shock even though i suspected as much.

    Makes me want to research who financed FDR's way to the White House.

     

    HTH did Romney win Iowa?

    Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:04 | Link to Comment nathan rothschild
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    fascism bitchez

    Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:31 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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    It's not really fascism, by the strict definition of the word, but I'm not sure exactly what it is. I do believe that in the not too distant future, no one will want to be called a "technocrat".

    Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:34 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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    Rothschildism?  Debtism?

    I like psychopathocracy.

    Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:54 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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    Psychopathocracy has a nice ring to it, and it rings true, as well.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 05:21 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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    but the real strength comes from the sycophantism

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Cloud9.5
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    The Greeks have been there befor us.  They called it a kakistocracy.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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    I'd definitely call it a kakistocratic, psychopathological, kleptosocieital, rehypotheticatithon.

    And the devil take the hindmost!

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:06 | Link to Comment Shineola
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    Looks like there's one Rott-schield swine on the board.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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    Montism?
    Surveillancism?
    It ain't good that's for sure...

    Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Socrate
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    Fascism is back, bitchez!

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 08:24 | Link to Comment snowbaall
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    Fascism, communism, socialism...what's the difference.

    It all comes down to money.  The world is broke.  Expect war in the future.

    Your mother's smelly cornhole.

    Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:07 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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    Sounds a lot like what they are attempting to do here.  I think a week ago a football player was fined $18,000 for not declaring amounts over $10,000 to customs.  He was carrying $18,000.  I call that theft.

    Try buying a car with cash if the car is worth over $5,000.

    Legal tender ain't legal anymore because big bro wants to know how you got it.  Guys like me take cash out every week and keep it home, because I don't trust banks and don't think it is anyone's business what I purchase, which is traced through debit or credit cards.

    I am not a thief and I don't launder money or anything like that.  I'm just old fashioned and now it is getting to be crime being old fashioned.

    Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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    "I am not a thief and I don't launder money or anything like that.  I'm just old fashioned and now it is getting to be crime being old fashioned."

    So you're not a banker? The term "money laundering" and the accompanying laws "against" it were created by bankers for exclusive control over their black markets.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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    Correct.  Wells Fargo/Wachovia were caught laundering $376,000,000,000 in Lain America drug money over a two year period.  Paid $100,000,000 fine and told to go and sin no more.  No jail time for these patriots.

    Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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    [snip]

    "The agents, primarily with the Drug Enforcement Administration, have handled shipments of hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal cash across borders, those officials said, to identify how criminal organizations move their money, where they keep their assets and, most important, who their leaders are."

    Just a drill.  Where have I heard that before? Convenient how it also facilitates plausible denial.

    Funny they can't find their leaders.  Maybe they should try the Google:

     

    How a big US bank laundered billions from Mexico's murderous drug gangs

    As the violence spread, billions of dollars of cartel cash began to seep into the global financial system. But a special investigation by the Observer reveals how the increasingly frantic warnings of one London whistleblower were ignored

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

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