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Has Italy Gone Fascist?

In August this year, CLSA’s Russell Napier wrote: “Italy is scary – yields will rise when governments chose to take money from their savers – what Russell calls THE GREAT THEFT - Expect massive capital flight”.  Yet while Russell was commenting on Italy’s opening move in repressing private capital by raising the capital gains tax, but not on gains of government debt, the situation has moved with such speed over the past 5 months that the emergence of the first Fascist regime following the 2008 crisis can probably now be associated with the new Monti government.

And while Doug Casey addresses getting out of Dodge on these pages (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/doug-casey-addresses-getting-out-dodge), it may be time for Italian to get themselves as well as their capital even faster out of Pizzaland.

Here are the latest developments which are coming in at extraordinary speed:

  • The appointment in December of an unelected government. This government has no accountability and no fixed time mandate. It is being sold as being “technocratic”, but is in fact headed by a University Professor who is distinguished for: (i) having been head of the EU Internal Market Commission, where he used the power of the State to fine Microsoft and other corporate that were “getting too big for their boots”;(ii) being a good friend of Romano Prodi, another University Professor from the Communist  heartland of the University of Bologna and creator of the Euro (more on him later);(iii) a paid hand of Goldman Sachs and a friend of Mario Draghi, another Goldman puppet who dispatched of the government of Berlusconi within days of taking the helm of the ECB; (iv) a fervent believer in the pre-eminence of the state over the individual;
  • Prodi, the original architect of this catastrophe, famously made this comment in 2001, indicating that this cabal of Professors are playing a very long game indeed:

I am sure the Euro will oblige us to introduce a new set of economic policy instruments. It is politically impossible to propose that now. But some day there will be a crisis and new instruments will be created.”

Romano Prodi, EU Commission President, December 2001

  • Thanks to his friendship with Monti and the current government, he is very much still involved in shaping just what such instruments can be;

  • The passing of an extraordinary edict making cash transactions of more than Euro 1,000 illegal (not subject to reporting – just plain illegal). Following Prodi’s own desire, the existing regime has indicated that this level will be progressively reduced to a limit as low as Euro 300. Hence cash is maybe for the first time in history no longer legal tender (over Euro 1,000, for now);
  • A requirement that credit card companies report all transactions carried out by Italians, in Italy and abroad to the fiscal authorities;
  • Delays and refusals by banks in allowing customers to withdraw  cash balances of as little as Euro 10,000;
  • Finance Police has placed cameras at the physical borders with Switzerland (see below) to register all license plates. In addition, currency-sniffing dogs have been deployed at the border (http://www.cdt.ch/ticino-e-regioni/cronaca/56250/fiscovelox-riapparsi-no...).

Events in Italy must be watched closely. The country that gifted Fascism to the world in the 1930s was widely admired even by FDR, who held Mussolini in high regard and was no doubt inspired in many of his own policy choices.  Will Italy lead the way once more, as politicians in Europe and the US watch to see what oppressive policies they may get away with?

And while Russell Napier (correctly) foresees capital controls being imposed and suggested that one parks his cash in Singapore dollars, Italians may want to get themselves out as well before the current group of Professors slams the gates shut. Things are moving even faster than one of the world’s leading financial historians could foresee.

 

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Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:32 | 2041968 nmewn
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"Actual fascist rule in peacetime, in contrast, observed relative tranquillity and prosperity in comparison with the former dictatorial set-ups that they emerged from (like Weimar). See hard statistics rather than whines from displaced plutocrats."

Could you please name one of these great nation states that provided "relative tranquilltiy and prosperity" under fascism?

You bring up the Weimar Republic, so the assumption is, you're holding out 1930's Germany as an example of "relative tranquilltiy and prosperity".

Really?

The takeover of the trade unions by the nazis was a good thing...and to what long range purpose, to work for the state instead of self? The day after they (the nazis) burned the Reichstag they institute Schutzhaft whereby people who simply dissent or make jokes about the new "authoritah" are locked up without any charges. No judicial process. Just swept off the streets. Some to be never seen again.

And Hereditary Health Courts. Again, the fascist fixation with eugenics.

Here people deemed "abnormal" (whatever that winds up meaning) of mind or body or past brushes with the state or political enemies or anyone a nazi social worker or doctor deemed as "impure" are rounded up and brought before them. With this, surely one would have to have been retarded or too poor to flee the gathering insanity.

Relative tranquility and prosperity indeed, if you were a nazi. 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:39 | 2041979 Manthong
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making "jokes about the new "authoritah" "locked up without any charges. No judicial process. Just swept off the streets. Some to be never seen again."

Thank goodness that could never happen here.

You would have to be considered by someone in government to have ties to terrorism for that to happen.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:00 | 2042059 nmewn
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Its incremental here isn't it?

First, convince people of a problem. Then give them a solution.

It doesn't even matter that the percieved problem is solved. Only that they continually come back to you to solve the unintended consequences of their last solution.

Problem = terrorism.

Solution = a new law with its attendant regulation...DHS/TSA/Bush.

Problem = health insurance affordability.

Solution = a new law with its attendant regulation...111 new bureaucracies/Obama.

The result (for us) is always more expense & less liberty. All politics is, since at least Wilson, is make work programs for statists & central planners.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:43 | 2041984 Sandmann
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the fascist fixation with eugenics

The Sterilization Act 1934 was passed by the Swedish Social Democrats and not repealed until 1975 after 62,000 had been forcibly sterilized. Sweden is of course a Fascist State which the Social Democrats ran from 1932 to 1976

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:17 | 2042092 nmewn
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I didn't know that. Thanks!

Isn't it an odd coincidence that some of the most sophisticated of academia and government can, with the passage of time, be shown to be some of least intelligent and most dangerous among the human race ;-)

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:24 | 2042651 Cathartes Aura
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Sweden was not the only nationstate to enact compulsory sterilisation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#By_country

as usual, there was general agreement from many diverse nations, globally.

control.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 22:58 | 2043137 nmewn
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Cat,

"Sweden was not the only nationstate to enact compulsory sterilisation:..."

Note the time period when eugenics went "mainstream". This period in world history deserves much more study & scrutiny than has been given it.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:04 | 2042067 zelter
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Before the Second World War, Germans had it going increasingly good during Nazi Germany. The multiplier effect on well-chosen public infrastructure investments was insane. In five years the German economy grew 65 per cent, and consumer expenditure 25 per cent. Unlike the infanticidal liberal state before and after it, the decline in German birth rates was reversed, although the growth was not as much as was aimed for. Overall, everything improved for Germans.

The DAF, which replaced the unions, did its job splendidly and politically fought the rest of the Reich when necessary. I would call this one a long shot due to the proper leadership needed, but I don't think you will find much fault in its operation. Workers worked for themselves and Germany, and received a lot of protections while at it.

The Nazis didn't burn the Reichstag. Historians no longer believe that, no matter how anti-Nazi they are.

As for the arrests: for jokes and criticism, no; ringleaders of banned political opposition and hostile factions such as jews, yes. Life in the Third Reich was one way before the war and another way after the war. You're thinking of the Soviet Union.

For all the rival interests within the Party and the State and the military there were just as many opportunities for cooperation in the Third Reich as conflict. Hitler's government was never paralysed like a rabbit before a cobra, as the Weimar regime was, which actually ruled by dictatorial decree and deceit as emergency measures and tried to suppress opposition with government force from one coalition to the next. 

Weimar was toadying to foreign powers and internationalists. The Weimar Republic had international legitimacy only insofar as it kept the ink fresh on the Versailles treaty, especially Article 231, the War-Guilt clause, which justified open-ended reparations to the Allied powers. This is also the one punitive measure that the German people could not (and would not) rightfully accept. Those responsible for maintaining that treason could all have been killed rather than just suppressed by the Nazis as far as Germans are concerned.

That Nazi Germany was attacked by every plutocracy after taking power is a good indication rather than a bad one. Roosevelt even blasted them in a Convention as gangsters due to interfering with the precious central bank.

I'm sorry you will never think that it is wise to destroy the Democrat and Republican Party as well as target the media that shill for them and have led the US where it is at because of some misguided notion of neutral mechanisms and "fairness." That's why impotent whining about the dispensation will remain impotent. In reality, clean sweeps are needed.

I doubt you know how regulated sterilisation was and the cases in which it was meted. It was a progressive fad and not as apocalyptic as you would have it.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:22 | 2042221 Randall Cabot
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Here's the Inside Baseball on the Versailles Treaty from a speech by one of the most heroic jews in history, Benjamin Freedman:

 

Versailles.

That is where all the trouble started. The United States got in the war. The United States crushed Germany. You know what happened. When the war ended, and the Germans went to Paris for the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know.

http://qbitblog.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/benjamin-h-freedman-a-jewish-defector-warns-america/   

 

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:40 | 2042370 pain_and_soros
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interesting read...actually pretty fascinating and made all the more plausible by the author's first hand accounts

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:47 | 2042382 nmewn
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"Before the Second World War, Germans had it going increasingly good during Nazi Germany."

So you are defending these bloodthirsty cocksuckers.

What "Germans" had it "increasingly good"? Those within the Nazi Party? I'm sure the family of Ernst Rohm and the rest who perished on the Night of the Long Knives would disagree as vehemently as I.

"The DAF...I don't think you will find much fault in its operation. Workers worked for themselves and Germany, and received a lot of protections while at it."

But I have, by your very words. If I am to work, any benefit the state derives from it is completely ancillary.

If I don't work for the benefit of the state am I to be killed or imprisoned like so many Germans were? As Heydrich might say...because I'm "work shy"?...whatever the hell that means.

We can agree on the Versailles Treaty.

"Roosevelt even blasted them in a Convention as gangsters due to interfering with the precious central bank."

FDR...Roosevelt and those around him were as much fans of fascism as antagonists. Even Mussolini had high praise for his WPA projects. So don't bother with this line. Eugenics & fasicism were all the rage back then...from Joe Pa Kennedy to Keynes to...FDR.

Not to swerve too far off topic...but for comparison...

"But they are guilty of more than deceit. When they imply that the reserves thus created against both these policies will be stolen by some future Congress, diverted to some wholly foreign purpose, they attack the integrity and honor of American Government itself. Those who suggest that, are already aliens to the spirit of American democracy. Let them emigrate and try their lot under some foreign flag in which they have more confidence. The fraudulent nature of this attempt is well shown by the record of votes on the passage of the Social Security Act." FDR Madison Square Gardens Oct.31 1936

http://millercenter.org/president/speeches/detail/3307

Wrap the entire speech in a German accent and it has all the makings of a fanatic. A socialist fanatic. The language was different from Hitler but their policies were very much the same...outside of outright legalized murder of course. 

But now, who has been shown to be deceitful? SSI is insolvent. The funds have, in fact, been stolen. Just as predicted.

Stolen by the state >>>from the worker<<<.

Socialist promises...promises...promises.

There is never any other option but to print into hyperinflation and eventual default anytime socialism or any of its idiotic variants are tried. It is (minus the nationalist part, meaning fascist) the quickest most peaceful path to serfdom.

And history does not change no matter how many revisionists step forward.

Fin

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:30 | 2042661 Randall Cabot
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"I'm sure the family of Ernst Rohm and the rest who perished on the Night of the Long Knives would disagree as vehemently as I."

The family of Ernst Rohm? Bizarre!

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 09:14 | 2043868 nmewn
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I seen this last night and thought it unworthy of a remark (his homosexuality) as Rohm was not hatched by a chicken.

He had a mother and a father. And a brother & sister. Possibly even nieces & nephews. These are thought of as family where I come from.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 19:55 | 2042859 zelter
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Germans in general had it good, not just those in the Party. Hitler did genuinely care for the welfare of all Germans even if he went off his head during the latter half of the war--caring about your kinsmen is called being a racist nowadays and prohibited for white people.

About Ernst Röhm, look, he was too fanatical--even for Hitler who was a big-tent nationalist trying to please everyone.  Röhm was planning a coup to take the revolution to the armed forces and Hitler stood in the way. The Röhm Purge wasn't a "Night of the Long Knives" as per the usual description, but I digress. The Army certainly supported the Röhm Purge in any case. The Army is often quoted nowadays in instances critical of the Nazis--I guess their political opinions only matter when they aren't pro-Hitler.

The DAF was more like a quango. The order of the day in Germany, whether you like it or not, was the common interest before self-interest. That's what I mean by their benefitting both themselves and  Germany (and thereby themselves again), not the state per se. The labour front was organised in view of central planning programmes, though.

FDR was not a fascist. That's nonsensical. He was a scoundrel. His familiy is long in servitude of internationalist jews. Look up Warren Delano, the shabbos goy who helped Sassoon run the opium trade.  You don't know what fascism is and how fascism is supposed to organise industries. You just think it's violence and generic increased state power, rather than a specific view on how industries should be run.

I agree that Social Security is not what is seems (it's paygo, etc.) and is brigand in a sense.  The decline in white birth rates, the immigration flood post-1965 and the peaking of the world oil supply have done it in most of all.

Individualism doesn't exist, by the way, and individuality (which does) is something that most proponents of individualism seem to lack. Peoplehood beats it. You're just scrambling for meaning and concessions with a government that has betrayed you and is currently electing a new people--rather than the opposite.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 21:47 | 2043029 nmewn
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You're either a copy cat writing in the style of a european or european but I will continue...its fascinating to me really either way, the delusions and omission of fact that you people can put yourselves through to rationalize criminal insanity.

Meaning of course, criminal insanity of Nature, not law in any legal sense. An insane monarch or dictator can deem anything "legal" but it does not make it proper and always leaves a trail of death & destruction in its wake.

"Hitler did genuinely care for the welfare of all Germans even if he went off his head during the latter half of the war..."

Well, the latter is putting it mildly to say the least and the former is an outright lie.

His policy was always one of exclusion to all things not of his interpretation of the state.

He did not care for the welfare of all Germans or he would not have been rounding up anyone who disagreed with him or his party or who was deemed different, that is, not cookie cutter Ken & Barbie little nazis.

"Social nuisances" (beggars, whores, petty thieves etc.) and what the state (Hitler) termed "biological inferiors" meaning eugenics, as defined by the state. Its delicious irony(to me) that a bunch of "biological inferiors" defeated him and the madmen around him conducting their little social experiment.

"...caring about your kinsmen is called being a racist nowadays and prohibited for white people."

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. He was a racist who believed in eugenics but for some reason he only rounded up white German people at first?

"About Ernst Röhm, look, he was too fanatical..."

Rohm was a socialist in the communist form not a "real fascist". The two Engels/Marx cousins will never live under one roof. One of Hitlers criminally insane "brothers"...the short in stature, bespeckled, what could be termed "biologically inferior" Himmler wanted his power & position. Rohm had to go. Murdered. It was a state sponsered criminal enterprise afterall.

"FDR was not a fascist. That's nonsensical."

Bullshit.

http://reason.com/archives/2007/09/28/hitler-mussolini-roosevelt

"You don't know what fascism is and how fascism is supposed to organise industries. You just think it's violence and generic increased state power, rather than a specific view on how industries should be run."

More central planning?...thats workin out swell around the globe, yes? Not everyone subscribes to Hegelian theory and it is as foreign to freedom & liberty as the moon.

"Individualism doesn't exist, by the way, and individuality (which does) is something that most proponents of individualism seem to lack. Peoplehood beats it."

lol...tell that to the young mother in Oklahoma who filled some assholes chest full of buckshot when he broke down her door. She was not about to wait on something called "peoplehood"...I assume you mean society or state police or some such nonsense.

"You're just scrambling for meaning and concessions with a government that has betrayed you and is currently electing a new people--rather than the opposite."

I scramble for nothing. I want for nothing. The only concession extracted here will be from you.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 00:21 | 2043325 WonderDawg
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Damn straight.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 09:00 | 2043858 nmewn
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I think its high time we start rousting these little storm trooper types up out of the ZH bed, shine a bright light in their eyes and ask them a few pointed questions...lol.

Maybe by asking them for their citizenship papers, family lineage, criminal record, cultural likes & dislikes, medical history and political affiliations while slapping them around a little bit will give them some insight into how they are percieved by free men.

Of course, they could just as easily be DHS or some other punk ass regulator in one of the new O'Barry "health care" bureaucracies and already be jaded to the cruelty of such things. So no harm, no foul.

But as always, half the fun for me is finding out ;-)

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:47 | 2042153 disabledvet
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I love chaos actually. "Masters of Chaos" about Special Ops in Afghanistan is one of the greatest books i've ever read. the fact that chaos is what we are now getting as "year three winds down and the election silly season is all out and all in" is just perfect heaven to me. 2012 will show the world was a truly, totally and wonderfully insane place the United States of America is. And of course "it'll be broadcast live on Zero Hedge!"

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:13 | 2042080 bankonzhongguo
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Russian socialism is fascism.

Chinese communism is fascism.

Nazism is fascism.

Italian Fascism is fascism.

I don't know what Corporate power supplanted upon Amerika/Europe is - neo-fascism(?), but I don't like it and its in everyone's face everyday.

All these polities used the same old tricks to harness power into the hands of few.  National humiliation, economic collapse, irredentism, racial or political impurity.  Its all the same.

The one things kind of missing in the current equation are the "costumes."  Fascists love to draw a mote around themselves and separate themselves from the rest of the world via rituals, rank & insignia.  They are different, special and don't care who knows it.  When I saw that dancing red-jacket City Year video - that was a red flag.  But not much since.

Maybe the "power-suit" being worn at a G20, Bilderberg or a CFR function is that right of passage.

All I know is as silly and old fashioned as it might seem, I am for Liberty for all peoples everywhere.  This year you now have to get a Rx to buy cough syrup that was been around for 50 years.

If we can't harness modern technology to bring people and their common causes and rights together then we will all swing by the necks separately.

Everyone has to draw their own line in the sand before they take action.

How much more of all of this nonsense can YOU take?

Good luck to everyone.

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 01:52 | 2041706 RebelYell
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if i had to stop the music tonight and sit on a chair... I win mfer.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:10 | 2041783 groundedkiwi
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There is no chair

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 02:17 | 2041723 groundedkiwi
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This is a begging letter really. Can anyone explain to me how this will impact on my country? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-investment/news/article.cfm?c_id=71&objectid=10772166

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 02:20 | 2041726 Cadavre
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Has Italy gone fascist?
Does a bear shit in the woods?

Does America still operate as a constitutional republic?
Does a chicken have lips?

Would less than 1000 K Street Boy Lovers and Wall Street dandies stand a snowball's chance in hell defending themselves, their families and assets against the 300 Million strong legion pissed off spawn of baby killers and king disemboweling American assholes that make Vlad the Impaler look like Bambi and put the fear of god in god?
Are Senator Lindsey Graham and Representatives David Dreier and Barney Frank straight? 

There are only two paths to the future:

One path leads to a future where the Washington monument is filled with blood and one side of the national mall has bankers hanging by their heels from the branches of the Cherry Trees begging for mercy with claims they were only doing what they thought god intended them to do, and, on the other side, hanging by their heels are politicians screaming for mercy with claims there were only working in the best interests of their constituents. In the middle of the mall will be the media queens from all the networks and CSPAN suffering anal rape by rutting south Texas hogs shrieking for mercy with claims they were only trying to inform us. When the hole in their heart where humans would house a soul departs the world, their headstones will be pilgrimage urinals.

The other path is civil. The Bankers, Politicians and Median Queens regain a sense of survival, confess their crimes, name their accomplices, turn over all evidence in their possession give up all their licenses assets and submit to many years of reeducation in one of the many fusion centers they built with the wealth and blood  they extorted from us and intended to use as our concentration camps with the understanding that neither they, nor any member of their family will never again be afforded the privilege to hold private or public office until the sun evaporates the world.

One potato
Two potatoes
Three potatoes
Four!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:27 | 2042241 francis_sawyer
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Has Italy gone fascist?


Does THE POPE shit in the woods?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 02:21 | 2041728 lolmao500
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Freedom, America style :

http://www.dailycommercial.com/News/LakeCounty/010412shield

Operation Shield: DHS Officers Armed With Semiautomatics Running Unannounced ID Checkpoints

With their blue and white SUVs circled around the Main Street office, at least one official was posted on the door with a semiautomatic rifle, randomly checking identifications. And other officers, some with K-9s, sifted through the building.?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 02:25 | 2041732 Nottingham
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It's not Fascism!!!!!!   First of all, the Fascists loved their country, they were nationalists and patriots.   This NWO/Goldman Sachs crowd are anti-nation, globalist, bankers who hate their countries, or at a minimum are indifferent to them.   The people who lived under Fascism and Nazism liked it, and there are plenty of pictures of rallies, parades, flowers, etc. that prove it, so Deniers out there, too bad, no revisionism.    I don't understand how anyone thinks this group of Goldman Sachs bankers are like Fascists and Nazis, they're the opposite imho.    Then you have Celente and Santelli saying this merger of corporate and state power is "fascism".  Again, that's totally wrong, Mussolini and Hitler  weren't "money-junkies" and they didn't care about money or personal enrichment like the GS, Madoff ilk do.   Celente is wrong, Fascism wasn't about coporate or banker power at all, the Fascists had to deal with the business interests because they didn't have any alternative to keep the economy going, that doesn't mean the State and Corporate entities were one and the same.   The analogy is off on so many levels it's disturbing.   

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 03:55 | 2041768 Hacksaw
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Aren't some of the tea bagger groups called tea party patriots? Some of those rallies by the baggers are reminiscent of some of the Nuremberg rallies in the 1930s. The bigotry, racism, and antisemitism that is displayed by many in the tea party is very similar to that displayed by the fascists and Nazis before and during WWII. Adolf and Benito didn't care about their countries either, they wanted one world rule and they wanted themselves in charge, they just used the peoples of Germany and Italy in an attempt to achieve their world domination goals. Just like the corporatists today they demanded total loyalty and submission while giving no loyalty in return. The corporatists of today, just like the fascists of the past avail themselves of slave labor wholeheartedly, with no pangs of conscience. Anyone who thinks the corporatism/fascism of today won't end up the same as it did in the past with sanctioned theft, murder, and ultimately genocide is just kidding themselves.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 08:29 | 2041887 Sathington Willougby
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The CIA fomented promoting adversaries type propaganda is strong in this one.  Please return to the huffington post your audience is waiting there with open arms.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 08:56 | 2041892 KickIce
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This is how murder is justified.  They get the idea in their pea brains that once the unwanted populations are eliminated they will then be able to enjoy their utopian societies.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:32 | 2041970 Dr. Engali
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I'm pretty sure you mixed the tea party up with the OWS group. That's alright. A small oversight on your part. You are forgiven.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:36 | 2041976 Sandmann
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they wanted one world rule and they wanted themselves in charge, they just used the peoples of Germany and Italy in an attempt to achieve their world domination goals.

 

Not sure that is true, but go ahead and provide supporting evidence

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:50 | 2042160 disabledvet
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Nuremberg? HAHAHAHA. That's funny. In my DREAMS would the tea party people put together "Nuremberg type rallies." Here's the soundtrack in case you're wondering:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVHrDL16oaM&feature=player_detailpage

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:57 | 2042179 Spacemoose
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someone once said that if the tea party came to power it would be the first time a fascist group had come to power based on a platform that the government should leave you the hell alone... 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 08:50 | 2041889 KickIce
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Where to start? Hitler loved himself and power and left Germany in ruins.  As far as the rallies, talk is cheap, you have to look at the end results. Sure, people loved Hitler when he was talking about his utopian ideals. Then came reality; brute force, murder, paranoia. Nothing at all like the brochure.

Obama has experienced much of the same adoration. Working class. Unions. For the people. And the sheeple say Yaa Obama, free unicorns for everyone.  Yet he's extended the Patriot Act and signed a bill that allows for infinite detainment of American citizens.

Again, action over talk.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:34 | 2041975 Sandmann
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Hitler did not love himself.  That was part of his problem. He did however live in the Romantic World of Teutonic Knights which he recreated as Waffen-SS and the kitsch of Roman Imperialism. He was Austrian not German and did not especially care for Germany as a country but Pan-Germanism as a Cultural Identity to be liberated from the Franco-Anglo-American imposition of ethnic statelets at Versailles. In fact he loathed everything Woodrow Wilson stood for and the fact Woodrow Wilson had been educated in Germany. Hitler's basis was simply that the Western Allies had left Germany exposed to the Soviet Union with no security on its eastern border and that Stalin had been arming Communists in Germany in 1923.

What that has to do with Obama is unclear here in Europe, but maybe that's because Hitler is part of European history and American comic strips

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:41 | 2042034 francis_sawyer
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It's impossible to compare Hitler to Obama...

Hitler didn't have a teleprompter...

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:38 | 2042132 BidnessMan
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Hitler was a good speaker, with no need for a teleprompter.  The film "Triumph of the Will" about the 1934 Nuremburg Rally is fascinating to watch.... and horrifying considering what happened over the following 11 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_des_Willens

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:54 | 2042170 disabledvet
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yeah things did get out of hand. Let's take a look at the quiet and pasotoral US Navy for some relief:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9EBemu3T5o&feature=player_detailpage

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:52 | 2042050 KickIce
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What that has to do with Obama is unclear here in Europe, but maybe that's because Hitler is part of European history and American comic strips

Because Europe is not alone in trending towards fascism.  Also, I'm going to say with all the adoration Hitler demanded he had a pretty high opinion of himself.  Either way, I was responding to the claim that Fascist love their country which is pretty much BS.  Their are probably some that do but they love power much more than they love their country and citizens.

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 02:27 | 2041734 Nottingham
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Also, how could anyone in their right mind consider Prodi a "Fascist", the guy is a communist!!!   

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:02 | 2041779 Cadavre
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Fascists are neo liberal socialists that can also be described as Corporate Communists, or Socialist Corporatist or Oligarchs or Crony Capitalists (take your pick): They ignore contract and common law in order to rob he commons pocket the pilfered loot.

A criminal is not a communist. A criminal is a criminal period

Did you write that down?

Here's something else for your notebook ..

Roughly 23% of any culture is predisposed to authoritarian control. Thankfully, most of  those afflicted with that "predisposition" can be enlightened and can return to the world of humans, in other words, it's a "functional" affliction, like voting for a rich guy because you think that by doing that you will be rich too, irregardless of the rich guys position on the issues - or buying the latest iCool gadget to pick up fat girls at the mall.

The good news is that 67 percent of us are pretty much freedom loving humans and individualists from the get go. We elect / hire politicians, not to save us, but, instead, to make sure the sewers don't back up and the chug holes are repaired.

Humans create wealth for their families by working hard and creativity. Crony Capitalists steal it, but think god chose them to take it because they deserve it. Eg they are raving queen "Dominion Heretics".

In a few cases, the affliction is "organic", or hard wired, and individuals afflicted organically cannot be trusted. For example Rahm Emanuel or Hagee, the high priest of CUFI - and most likely the current prez we suffer. George Bush Jr  melted his brain with booze and coke - he is empty - a dodo used for a hand puppet.

Did you get all that?

The reason Chinese Communists have become such good Capitalists is that the government of China does not want to tango with 1.2 Billion pissed of Chinese. Party officials are publically shamed when they fuck up.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:25 | 2041904 KickIce
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The reason Chinese Communists have become such good Capitalists is that the government of China does not want to tango with 1.2 Billion pissed of Chinese. Party officials are publically shamed when they fuck up.

They're not capitalists, they're parasites living off once was a capitalist country.  And now that their host is dead they're going to have to deal with the 1.2 billion.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:26 | 2041963 Sandmann
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China has done what the USSR offered Akio Morita of SONY. Cheap docile labour to produce goods for Western markets. IKEA used cheap East European labour and timber for decades until it went downhill and had to source from Asia to sell to Eastern Europeans

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:04 | 2042192 Cadavre
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Don't know if the case is still the same, but just a year or two back, Germany, using just German labor, was the largest exporting economy in the world. Germans at all levels of society are well educated. The class divisions are not a stark as in other western states. It's an advanced country - more so than any other nation my awaremess allows for an accurate comparison.

Saw an item at WRH where the German government is telling citizens if they want full government benefits, and can't find a job they should consider "prostitution" (guessing it be a legal and regulated industry - shit I still ball for nothing).

Why does the German model appear to allow wealth distribution across all levels of German society? Their gadgets and products are solid. The entire country is like one big Steve Jobs petri dish.

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:11 | 2042203 Cadavre
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For parasites, they have sure fronted a bunch of credits to the host. The rate is around couple of million credits / minute (at least it used to be). In your particular symbiotic example, it appears, just appears mind you, the host is more parasitic than "your" parasite,

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:04 | 2042066 francis_sawyer
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Also, how could anyone in their right mind consider Prodi a "Fascist", the guy is a communist!!!   

It's really ridiculous to even make a statement like that if you've never lived in Italy or don't understand the culture... I lived there for a dozen years and STILL I don't have a total grasp as to what's going on in people's minds...

The best generalization I could make is as follows... Most hated Mussolini & were all to happy to see him go... I actually lived with a family whereby the grandfather (this was a homestaed with 3 generations living under one roof), was a general in Mussolini's army... He fought against my grandfather in Sicily... He told me point blank that they were happy that the Americans came along so that they could get out from under Mussolini... So basically, there's your "facist" argument...

As for "communist"... That's even simpler... "Communista" doesn't have the same distinction (to Italians) as it does here... They are basically PROUD to align themselves and wear the RED badge... But all that basically means is that they're "working class", and like the handouts that the government provides... They are FEARFUL of the right wingers only to the extent that they perceive that right wingers (being basically "capitalists"), would wind up dismantling social pension expenditures...

All other issues (like "wars", or all the stupid crazy shit that Americans like to divide & conquer with, such as gay marriage), are not really part & parcel of either a "communist" or "capitalist" political alliance... ALMOST ALL ITALIANS hate wars (& even though they generally like America, they HATE the Americans 'imperialistic' bent)... They cannot even grasp our arguments on "racism" or "anti-semitism"... It's a joke... Italians (& most Europeans) are largely "racist" to a degree in that they all hate each other... Italians hate Germans, Germans look down on everybody, French hate everybody, yada yada... Hell - most Europeans even hate their nearby "city-state" (which goes all the way back to feudalism & stretches as far back as thousands of years BC, in Italy, to Etruscan or other periods)... Anti-semitic isn't really much of an issue because the country is largely Catholic... There is certainly "mis-trust"... But the bottom line is that there are no big "movements" (on the part of Jews or Muslims) that stir the pot... The feeling I get is that in other countries (like France), where the demographics of increasing Muslim populations is starting to become tangible, it's reaching a boiling point... So my opinion is... EVERYONE is RACIST... You're not forced to deal with it until they invade you... Liberals in this country tend to project their vision of the way they'd like things to be, not the way things actually are... We may get there some day, but we're FAR from being there...

Anyway ~ I've probably wasted too many words here (& I apologize it I tended to ramble)... I was just writing of my recollections as they came to me...

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 02:48 | 2041740 forexskin
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Sat, 01/07/2012 - 03:26 | 2041760 Hacksaw
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<--------- Uncle Benito and his sweetie swinging by their heels, this should be the end of all corporatist/fascists.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:20 | 2041788 BlackholeDivestment
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I have spoken with the socialist morons stinking up OC D.C. and they still cannot fathom the real truth that socialism defines the democratic majority rule sacrifices the individual, forsaking the whole body, and is at the core evil, and fascists up to that point of achieving self destruction. Like those fools that can't accept the fact that if you agree with the law of abortion you must kill yourself in order to comply with the rule, as you were in breach of the law as you stand. Lol. 

When you witness the darkness coming out of the shadows it is a strange wonder. If you have seen this you know what I mean. My friends, fascism is upon this generation and the call to rise in agreement against it has come to all the nations. The nations are all drunken whores that have aborted life liberty freedom and justice, the market we have been witnessing in this last generation is proof beyond the shadow of doubt. We can not labor in darkness, that is not a choice, it's the truth. Our weakness and fear rules us and is the heart of fascism, yet still we buy sell and trade the devouring beast consuming our labor unto death. The fact is we are dead in this dark market, this black hole. It is time to stop everything. Stop working and divest everything until the corruption upon the nations is dead. If we fail to do this we will end up unemployed and broke, imagine that. Lol. The wages of sin is death. Lol. It's quite clear that we are now living under ''prophetic'' global lawlessness that has found it's host within the leaders of the nations. Individuals have no defense against the mob rule laboring as the beast in the field and the morons that serve under the rule of the likeness of ObombaIranian, Tzarcozy Le EU War, or any El Douche in Itlay.

It is amazing that people do not accept what time it is. Come out of her! Rise! Stand fast and do no harm time. 

Biden's Reelection Speech, very funny > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-cLZai63GA

Celente's Bank Holiday Call > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA0fkkBlF5s

Bank Holiday Call > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGl3QPfB084&feature=player_embedded 

...and then there's the evil bastards > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29QV_GNMt3Q&feature=player_embedded#!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 04:25 | 2041791 ptolemy_newit
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hich candidate has been to K street more?

should be a good sign of who to trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 05:09 | 2041802 BlackholeDivestment
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Black Rock on K Street has a back door that leads to the White House and the Fed. Lol  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx4PJkD4iTU&feature=related 

P.S. Ptolemy, you may find this interesting to know, about mapping things out. http://www.folger.edu/template.cfm?cid=1685 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 05:59 | 2041824 Cadavre
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Is it a back door, or a convenient service entrance so Black Rock staffers working in the Whore err White House to use for Black Rock team meetings on K-Street?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaysTVcounI

Oh the humanity, will the torture ever stop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBNnUgS8MsY

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 05:39 | 2041817 props2009
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Capital3x performance of 1st week of 2012 continues to be strong with +328 pips in 6 fx trade with success ratio of 98%.

http://capital3x.com/performance-page/performance-for-week-6-jan-2012/

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:23 | 2042227 HL Shancken
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FP: Tell us about the Prime Minister of Italy, Romano Prodi (also former President of the European Commission) and his relations with the KGB.

Stroilov: Romano Prodi was described to Alexander by a senior KGB/FSB colleague, three star General Trofimov, as ‘our man in Italy’. He told Alexander that Prodi had ‘collaborated with the KGB’ and ‘carried out KGB missions’. Moreover, after 1996 the FSB had restored its relations with the old KGB agents of influence in the West. So, Gen. Trofimov and Alexander himself reckoned that Prodi might still be dangerous.

In February 2006, Alexander was interviewed about that by Mario Scaramella, a consultant to the Guzzanti Commission of Italian Parliament, which investigated the KGB’s activities in Italy. The video-record of that interview was kept secret at the time, and intended only for a closed-doors parliamentary investigation. (After Alexander’s death it was made public, and the transcript of it is included in the Allegations.)

However, two months later Alexander encouraged Gerard Batten, Member of European Parliament for London, to make his accusation against Prodi public. Gerard did that on 3 April 2006 in his speech to the European Parliament. The Parliament declined to investigate the matter, as Gerard insisted it should do; nor did Prodi himself ever comment on it as long as Alexander was alive. However, just eight days after Litvinenko’s death, Italian left-wing newspapers ‘revealed’ how Sen. Guzzanti and Scaramella were ‘plotting’ to discredit Prodi by alleging he had links to the KGB. Prodi himself, in a clumsy imitation of fury, announced he would instruct his lawyers to take legal action over these allegations. In event, no such legal action was taken.

Mario Scaramella was arrested as soon as he returned to Italy on Christmas of the same year. He is still kept in prison without a trial, and may stay there for the rest of his life. For the Italian legal system enables the prosecution to keep him in jail for three months on some particular charges, then drop those charges, put forward some new ones, and jail him for another three months. So it goes on and on for a year now, against the background of a perpetual propaganda campaign against Scaramella. Indeed, he is one of the first political prisoners in the emerging Gulag of the EUSSR.

 

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=29472

 

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:41 | 2041841 Sandmann
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even by FDR, who held Mussolini in high regard

 

Not just FDR, Winston Spencer-Churchill thought highly of him too and wrote complimentary comments. The simple fact is that Europe is Sleepwalking To The Past. Capital Controls and restrictions on Bank Withdrawals will be in place throughout the EU within months to preserve Bank Capital. Just look at the £30 billion extra writeoffs Barclays is forecasting for State Bank 1 (RBS) and State Bank 2 (LLoyds) ignoring the fact that Barclays is itself as dodgy as they come. 

People forget that Nazi Germany was Progressive Modernism and run by a self-avowed evolutionary party with a different tack from Mussolini because Germany was a military-industrial power and Italy could only postureThe world is headed for collapse which is why German Law is being changed to permit drones to fly over population centres. Italy may have instituted Fascism but Britain is the most ardent promoter of Surveillance Society technologies inside the EU. The US demands credit card details for those buying airline tickets already and SWIFT information, soon only the hawala banks will be safe

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 08:29 | 2041886 zelter
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Do you have a (news?) link for the changes in German Law, please?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:24 | 2041959 Sandmann
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http://www.taz.de/!84680/

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article13791413/Die-Angst-vor-dem...

Die Angst vor dem deutschen Überwachungsstaat

Über Deutschland sollen bald schwere Drohnen fliegen. Die Regierung wittert einen Exportschlager, die Opposition ein rechtsstaatliches Horrorszenario.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:53 | 2042167 Flammonde
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Mussolini let us not forget was working for MI-5.  He was probably killed by Churchill's orders.  Incriminating evidence dontja know.  


  1. Recruited by MI5: the name's Mussolini. Benito Mussolini | World ... Oct 13, 2009 ... Documents reveal Italian dictator got start in politics in 1917 with help of £100 weekly wage from MI5.
    www.guardian.co.uk/.../benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy - Cached - Similar

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:37 | 2042256 Randall Cabot
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Mussolini identified "Freemasons" as the leaders of the NWO, Hitler thought it was jews. Thet were both correct according to my research, the Illuminati was created by the Rothschilds to infiltrate the Freemasons and they evidently have done so very successfully, hence the current NWO power structure that everyone here rails about.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:53 | 2041845 Debugas
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"Italy’s opening move in repressing private capital by raising the capital gains tax, but not on gains of government debt"

 

this has already happened in Lithuania right before new year eve so expect more countries to follow and use this "medicine"

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 06:57 | 2041847 Debugas
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Also in Latvia

State Revenue Service (SRS) intends to buy for 4076 lats two dogs (from Dutch company Alpha Securus Group), who specialize in finding cash money.

http://biznes.delfi.lv/bnews/sluzhba-gosdohodov-zakupit-sobak-dlya-poisk...

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 08:02 | 2041871 Silver_Bullet
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Sorry try again. FDR was the worlds leading anti-fascist. He prevented the USA from becoming fascist as Wall St and London wanted. Wall St and City types were the supporters of Mussolini. Mussolini was on the British payroll as has been declassified. Wall St supported Hitler as well.  

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:56 | 2041930 Dr. Engali
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You have no clue what you are talking about. Roosevelt had no use for Hitler but he had great admiration for Mussolini. You should read what is historical fact before you comment.

 

"'I don't mind telling you in confidence,' FDR remarked to a White House correspondent, 'that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.'"

~FDR~

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:40 | 2042259 Randall Cabot
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FDR was a notorious liar though.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 08:47 | 2041891 overmedicatedun...
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no government of any type avoids the fall into tyranny, it's a natural law.

predator sociopaths will always rise to the top of any power structure.

man is not smart enough to avoid the above trap..that is our fate .

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:35 | 2041916 Your Creator
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The founding fathers knew this and that is why the US Constitution was written and that is why the US was made a Republic.   Resist centralization of powers at al costs.  Centralization of powers is a tyrants best friend.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:08 | 2041895 evolutionx
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Drugs, Money and Central Banks

“The central banking-warfare investment model” is really a control model, through which a small group of people can control the most resources on the most profitable basis. Essentially what happens is: Central banks print money and then the military makes sure that other parties accept it and that the financial system continues to have liquidity.


http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/english-news/6326-drugs-money-and-central-banks

 

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:57 | 2041931 KickIce
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This is just another form of laundering because US currency that is outside the US in not counted in the money supply.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:32 | 2042025 lakecity55
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Yep. Create a Gestapo (DHS) and give your army domestic LE authority (NDAA), and you have it sewn up.

This was not a "security check" of a Federal Building; it was a psyop directed at US Citizens:

http://www.dailycommercial.com/News/LakeCounty/010412shield

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:29 | 2041907 YHC-FTSE
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The headline made me laugh. A guy living under martial law (NDAA) and the most powerful corporatist state (Evolved fascism) in the world wants to put Italy under the microscope! Typical. Wake me up when Italy rolls its jets and plane into Iran, and Italian politicians casually call for killing millions of people to get a few lousy votes from the criminally insane.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:01 | 2042186 disabledvet
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doing it for a "few lousy votes"? hahahaha. here's why this war deal is gonna go down guaranteed YHC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-rFT-uHm4w&feature=player_detailpage

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 15:00 | 2042401 YHC-FTSE
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Segio Leone! One of my favourite directors of all time. Thanks mate.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:28 | 2041910 Hannibal
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You Zhedgees, forgot about the (fascist) USofA,...eh?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:49 | 2041922 Urban Redneck
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No, just otherwise engaged.  Perhaps I'll write something more substantial and constructive on the matter- it's only been 32 hours since I last slept... 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:32 | 2041969 Everybodys All ...
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No I'm reminded of it everday when I listen to the clowns of Bloomberg and CNBC do reach arounds on the economy and with each other for the sole purpose it would seem of getting our socialist president Obama re-elected.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:57 | 2042055 JustObserving
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We are far more fascist today than Italy

"Only corporate America enjoys representation by the Congress and presidents that it pays for in an arrangement where no one is entirely accountable because those who have bought the government also own the media. Now, with the revolt of the Praetorian Guard at the Pentagon, we are entering a new and dangerous phase. Although we regularly stigmatize other societies as rogue states, we ourselves have become the largest rogue state of all. We honor no treaties. We spurn international courts. We strike unilaterally wherever we choose. We give orders to the United Nations but do not pay our dues...we bomb, invade, subvert other states. Although We the People of the United States are the sole source of legitimate authority in this land, we are no longer represented in Congress Assembled. Our Congress has been hijacked by corporate America and its enforcer, the imperial military machine..."

Gore Vidal

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:44 | 2042378 Urban Redneck
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Never let a good F(ascist) Bomb go to waste... especially when it can be used for good.

 

The DHS/DHHS Staff welcomes you to Camp FEMA –

ARBEIT MACHT FREI

 

 

First they came for the terrorists, and I did not speak out—

because I worshipped a different God;

 

Then they came for the debtors, and I did not speak out—

because I owed no one;

 

Then they came for the elderly, and I did not speak out—

because I received no Social Security;

 

Then they came for the sick, and I did not speak out—

because I needed no medication;

 

Then they came for the starving, and I did not speak out—

because I had no hunger for SNAP;

 

Then they came for the defenseless, and I did not speak out—

because I had guns;

 

Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

 

 

I have a preference for original texts, in their original tongues.  In this case, however, the commonly regarded “original” text is not actually original, but rather an evolution (see below), which has been further co-opted and carved into additional “accepted” texts to suit various interests over time.  In addition- the traverse of tongues, time, cultures and context may reduce the “original” to a beautiful abstraction when viewed through the prison of a crumbling educational system three quarters of century later and an ocean away.  Niemöller’s words were not intended to be something beautiful, caved into stone, and idly stared at on monuments to the tragedies of human history.  The words were, and are, an active call for vigilance, and if necessary the raising of one’s voice for those who cannot, even if it entails sacrifice.    

 

Adolph Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor of Germany in January 1933.  In February, the Reichstag burned, and  the Reichstag Fire Decree was hastily signed into law- suspending the German equivalents of the rights enshrined in the US Bill of Rights, and by the end of March 1933, the Enabling Act granted the German Executive unchecked authority to dictate and legislate, even in contravention of the German Constitution.   In the immediate aftermath and in direct “retaliation” for the fire- thousands of communists were placed in new detention camps as historical analogues of this decade’s “persons of interest” “domestic terrorists“ or “enemy combatants” following the conflagrations of September 11, 2001.    

 

Pastor Niemöller was not imprisoned until four years and countless atrocities after the events of early 1933.  The American awakening and call to arms on December 7, 1941 was almost eight years after the German descent began.  The last detention camps were not closed until a dozen years after the nightmare had began to manifest in reality.  In the interim, the otherwise impotent and powerless German legislature which had surrendered and abrogated its own authority, responsibility and legitimacy right along with the rights and freedoms of the German people- did manage to twice vote to extend the very instrument of its civil liberties usurpation.

 

There are similarities and differences between the broader populations in Germany and the United States.  Whereas the Germans have a pronounced fetish for guilt, and particularly war guilt, the broader American populace has no such hang up over their collective actions, regardless of whether the people or State were moved action proactively or reactively.  Whereas the multiparty body politic in Germany attempts to instill a drive for consensus as a means to a resolution among participants, the two-party body politic in the United States instills conflict as a means to a resolution among participants.  In both nations, however, the politicians and other powers that be seek to divide and dismember the body electorate to pursue their own ambitions and ends.  Without vigilance on the part of citizenry, there was and is risk in both nations that the elected will sacrifice either the electors or their electors’ values in pursuit of their own aims. 

 

In late 2001, the United States responded to its own Reichstag fire.  What the German political machine could efficiently suspend in several hours and in only a few paragraphs took its American counterpart thousands of hours and thousands of pages to mimic.  The process is also a rare but increasingly alarming and common showing of consensus where the American elected seek to increase the subjugation of their electors, and in the process reduce those very electors to mere subjects.  The scope of the legislative amputation of American civil liberties is spread across thousands of pages and a legislative panoply reaching a scale that only the bloated Statist bureaucracy in the United States could achieve.  The short names of the primary tools of the butcher include AUMF, USA PATRIOT Act, Homeland Security Act, DTA, IRTPA, Military Commissions Acts, Protect America Act, FISA Amendments Act of 2008, Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act, and NDAA 2012.  Locked somewhere safely away from public scrutiny is a “legal” opinion that the Head of State has the right to unilaterally suspend not only the privileges and obligations of the State’s citizens- at will, but also their globally accepted Human Rights, including the right to Life itself.  However, the State cannot share its rationale or justification of this position with its own electors, because there no acceptable rationale or justification for such a position, perhaps some poorly thought out words transcribed into a memorandum with an official seal, but nothing they would dare attach their own name to publically, unlike the men who risked and sacrificed their own lives and publically attached their names to the founding documents of the State itself, or the legions who have sacrificed to defend and expand those initial hard won victories. 

 

Can you name any one other internationally recognized (much less civilized) sovereign State where the Head-of-State has the codified authority to revoke the right to life of that State’s citizens at will?       

 

What is the intrinsic worth of the full faith and credit of State that will not even stand behind basic Human and Civil Rights and fundamental precepts enshrined in its founding charter?

 

The Head of Government then has the audacity to utter meaningless assurances that the Government and State can be trusted with such authority, and that it will not abuse it.  The Chancellor of Germany uttered similar meaningless assurances to Pastor Niemöller decades ago that such an authority would not be abused.  The pastor IS guilty of trusting the politician to avoid the political trade’s original sin, and the cost of that mistake turned out to be global strife and millions of lives.      

 

As youths, even atheists often partake in the religious right of passage wherein they prostrate themselves before a porcelain divinity and attempt to strike an eternal bargain with the omnipotent, if only the omnipotent will grant peace and stability in the present.  Variations on this peculiar ceremony occur throughout life, in situations mundane, such passing an examination or passing through turbulence while flying, to profound.  Confronting the possibility of new life and its profound impact on one’s own can be just as profound as confronting death, whether being publically sent into battle to achieve or defend the State’s objectives, or privately journeying to a hospital to learn nature’s current objectives.  The ceremonies are important because for whatever brief period in time- they focuses the individual on what is of paramount importance, what is worthy of sacrifice, and what are the priorities for whatever time one may have left before the inevitable.  The prompt proliferation of amnesia on the part of the celebrants is a tragedy, and one that predates the social anesthesia of mass media and the high frequency barrage of the digital age. 

 

Ask yourself,

When was the last time you swore, “Never Again.”? 

And the time you swore before that time?      

What are the values and priorities that shaped those choices?

 

From a single point of conflagration a decade ago a line can be drawn through subsequent events to the present day, to each of the millions of Americans who witnessed that day, and from this day that arc of history could bend in infinite permutations.  The seven deadly sins of silence in the opening above are but one of those infinite possibilities.  However, without both personal awareness and situational awareness one could awaken one day only discover that they waited too long to speak up and speak out.  The vigilant defense of Human Rights and Civil Rights is one of the obligations upon which the privileges of citizenship depend to prevent a society’s descent and decay.

 

Ask yourself,

Where along the long arc of history will you stand up and speak up for those whose voice has been silenced?

Are you your brother’s keeper?

Who is your brother?

 

Strip away the guilt of inaction and the ideological isms of the original thought, rephrased above, and set in context below, and it echoes the words of an American who spent a considerable amount of time in Europe two centuries earlier during another war.

 

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

 

Ask yourself,

What are the proper measures of a person’s wealth- fiat, gold, health, love, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness?

Can economic liberty even exist in the absence of personal liberty?

Can Civil Rights even exist in the absence of Human Rights?

 

 

 

 

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/projects/niem/Niem1946GuiltH...

 

When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937;

when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933,

and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists.

Who cared about them?

We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers.

 

Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church?

We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians

- "should I be my brother's keeper?"

 

Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables.

- I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian.

He said: Perhaps it's right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money,

they are just a burden to themselves and to others.

Isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]?

- Only then did the church as such take note.

Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public.

Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible?

The persecution of the Jews,

the way we treated the occupied countries,

or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland,

that were written in the newspapers.

I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa!

We can talk ourselves out of it

with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.

We preferred to keep silent.

We are certainly not without guilt/fault,

and I ask myself again and again,

what would have happened,

if in the year 1933 or 1934

- there must have been a possibility

- 14,000 Protestant pastors and all Protestant communities in Germany had defended the truth until their deaths?

If we had said back then,

it is not right when Hermann Göring simply puts 100,000 Communists in the concentration camps,

in order to let them die.

I can imagine that perhaps 30,000 to 40,000 Protestant Christians would have had their heads cut off,

but I can also imagine that we would have rescued 30-40,000 million [sic] people,

because that is what it is costing us now.

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 09:57 | 2041932 Bob
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On this side of the pond, it would appear that Canadians are putting up some resistance to police state abuses:

http://www.windsorstar.com/news/Time+will+tell+police+reforms+enough+say...

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:10 | 2041946 7againstThebes
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I think that there is a dynamic about our rapid lost of ancient freedoms that nobody has said much about.  

    Who among us would deny that the government entity in Washington has people (and/or cabals) in it who have committed serious crimes.  The process started with the coup d'etat of Nov. 22, 1963.  It continued with 9/11.

What does this mean?  Actually, it means something  obvious. There are  people in positions of power in the entity in Washington who have committed murder, treason and every sort of fraud.  Should the truth come out about them, these people would lose everything. As a result, they have a very clear incentive: do whatever it takes to keep the lid on. 

I don't think that the Powers That Be are as powerful as many of you think.  They have been able to get away with murder because of our long tradition of trust in  government.  That trust is disappearing fast.  Who knows how all of this is going to shake out, but when it does, I think that these evil cabals are going to be stunned with how thin is their support.

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:17 | 2041953 Snakeeyes
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Very sobering article. Too bad the same is happening in the USA. You can laugh over the Cordray and NLRB appointments, but Mussoilini would have been proud!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:28 | 2041965 Police Commissi...
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The implication that FDR was a fascist is offensive -- let alone freakin' stupid. I seem to hold your opinions in shrinking regard by the day. Read a high school history book and stop taking your history from Jonah Goldberg.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:37 | 2041977 Everybodys All ...
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He simply said FDR was sympathetic to Mussolini's fascism.

The real problem lies with what is going on not just in Italy but here in the US. The socialist/fascist agenda is real. Take a look at Obama's insiders and it is unmistakable where this is going. Call it whatever ism you want but this is not going to end well for America. 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:50 | 2041989 crash_davis
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This is a great book about the history of fascism and it has alot of hisitory about the duce in italy in 1920's. It's called Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 10:54 | 2041994 Everybodys All ...
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Capital controls have been put in place on Ireland as well. If you don't believe and your Irish try moving your money out of Ireland right now.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:06 | 2042001 oldmanagain
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IMHO, the crisis is not as bad as Ron Paul's solutions.

 The (world) crisis is very bad. We have substituted an upside down income distribution that will not last, let alone fund anything.

We are  taking many good concepts into the drain.  Like low interest rates.  Eventually, no bonds will be sold at less than inflation, and this is not austrian or keynes, but just the way it is.  The money will not be lent at rates that do not cover risk factors.  To do otherwise is to sink the ship of capitalism regardless of what boat you think is more seaworthy.  This will delay recovery.

There is big problem with competitive currencies.  There is an implicit creation of losers and winners. We are replacing the social contract with a competitive systems of discontent, serfdom.

The big problem of resource depletion, the new kid on the block, is only vaguely being addressed.

Science is being treated as heresy and the work of the devil when it is at cross purposes with entrenched interest, even tho they may be scientifically grounded themselves.  The idea that regulation is all bad is insane.  Even more so when they seek(have) control of government and the courts.

It is amazing that corrupt nations like China seem to be leading in adjusting to the future.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:20 | 2042010 Peter K
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Fascism was actually the least destructive of the socialist movements of the last century. It was responsible for the least deaths of the lot. If you look at the numbers, Hitlers 6m was peanuts compared to Lenin/Stalins total of between 30 and 40m killed, and not to mention the NYT favorite regime, the ChiComs who killed between 70m and 100m.

After the war, the European states left most of the Bismarkian/Hitlarian model in tact. With the US military presense in Germany, they thought they could control it. But like all inherantly contradictory social economic systems, it was only a matter of time until the math caught up with it. And that is what we are seeing now.

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:27 | 2042018 rosiescenario
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Perhpas WB will grace us with some take offs from the art work produced under fascism??

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:30 | 2042019 tim73
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"Events in Italy must be watched closely. The country that gifted Fascism to the world in the 1930s was widely admired even by FDR, who held Mussolini in high regard and was no doubt inspired in many of his own policy choices."

Americans...the self appointed "freedom" watchers! What about that bullshit about choosing the second best presidential candidate twice in a row? Or Gitmo with enemy combatants with no access to legal representations? Handling of Bradley Manning in prison? Or HOMELAND security and 26 other government security agencies? Or police arming themselves swat style, becoming more and more German SS style second national army? Or US president now able to give kill orders in a whim, even against own citizens. Americans should shut the hell up about freedom and human rights, you ain't got those anymore.

You also forget Italians overwhelmingly support the new government,  bunga bunga Berlusconi robber baron was very ineffective leader.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:34 | 2042566 xcehn
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"You also forget Italians overwhelmingly support the new government."

Sheeple believe whatever they're fed by the propaganda ministry in their respective criminal oligarchies. This post on Italy doesn't imply that things are any better in the US.  Instead, it makes the point that what's happening in Italy could soon be developing there.  Restrictions on cash withdrawals are already a US reality.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:40 | 2042033 boogey_bank
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Wonder why Corrado Passera (from ill giant global bank San Intesa) was appointed as head of Transports Department?

Becouse San Intesa has a giant non performing loan to cash in.

In order to do so, a private (and very expansive) railway has to start activities, a railway owned among the others, by a mafia straw man.

http://www.lavocedellevoci.it/inchieste1.php?id=472

IT'S A SHAME. Last month 800 railworkers has lost their job. They worked on expresso trains (low cost night trains that had been suppressed). 

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And 'locked Prefecture, in Naples, the release anti mafia certicicate for Sir John Punzo, one of the three musketeers of NTV, the first High Speed ??Train Private' in Europe. So ', while the flaming convoys are at stake, in danger of foundering also the main investor, the Banca Intesa San Paolo, who in recent weeks has seen its leader Corrado Passera go to the top of the Government with powers to Monti Development and Transport. Coincidence?

Gentlemen, in a carriage. The whistle and 'already been' more 'often played by the conductor, but no convoy' left yet. All stop at the pole. All the damn certificate suspended from the prefecture of Naples. That does not arrive.
Could be condensed in this image all the history of NTV, New Transportation spa travelers, who may now become yet another black hole for the fate of the Italian economy, already 'brought to its knees by the binomial Crisis and Caste in the last ten years. Both serious and 'the situation that the creditor banks of NTV have now settled down into the new government of Italy, sending the major shareholder of the train mishap in the chair of Minister of Economic Development and Transport. Certainly not by chance.
Let's proceed in order to reconstruct the steps more 'hot-bis of this maneuver that the Italians are likely to find themselves a little from here on the neck, without even knowing how or why.'
It starts from the hot hours of the settlement of the government led by Mario Monti. Why 'and that' the predestined time even when the chips are on the bubble NTV. For several months, in fact, goes on without success to get the pressing by the Prefecture of Naples mafia the certificate for one of three "founding fathers" of the first private railway in Europe high-speed ': he, John Punzo, for Gianni friends, stuck in the stage more 'meteoric escalation of his own from that simple piece of paper. In late November, and the document 'rooms still standing in the Piazza Plebiscite, the seat of the Prefecture, the subject of a rebound from one office to another, without any possibility there appears to be' positive outlets for the entrepreneur and his large and renowned partners. So 'the flaming "Italo", the new red Ferrari racing cars like as the president of the board of NTV, Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, remain stationary. And the colossal investment (banks, which have anticipated "the dark" mountains of euros) could end up upside down.
Not all banks, but ': only the most' big and powerful financial institution in our country, that Intesa San Paolo close Vatican influence led to a few days ago by Corrado Passera. And who 'passed, not surprisingly, from the high chair as a banker at the top of the plate mounted with new government mandates, more exactly, Economic Development and Transport.
The climate 'of a true fibrillation.
After the announcement with great fanfare two years now, with lots of advertisements appeared in major newspapers, on the start of the new railway network by the end of 2011, here is the president of NTV, Giuseppe Sciarrone, last November 10 is have to justify the delay, during a press conference in which he is very embarrassed, "We have set up a challenge, we are the first in Europe, and we want to do well," he puts his hands back in answer to a question about delays in starting the service. "We'll start - evoking adds other reasons - when we are sure to guarantee maximum reliability. ' We are a new, serious, we start at the beginning of 2012. " The journalists hound, they want the date. "In a few weeks - and 'the laconic answer - communicate the exact date."
It would be interpreted in this sense also the bitter repartee between the beginning of 2011 the staff of the company 'private passenger transport group and the State Railways. According to Montezemolo and his men, would have changed the RFI network statement in order to delay the entry into service of trains targati NTV. It must be said that the use of the rail infrastructure company 'and is' committed to pay each year about 140 million euros to RFI. Do not you understand, then, the reasons for the alleged "obstruction".
Dry the answer in a statement, the giant public rail driven by Mauro Moretti explains that "the modifications do not harm in any way NTV" and indeed "the claims of its summit were made to cover their difficulties' to begin the commercial service. "
Difficulties' that would be due - according to sources credited Neapolitan - just not being granted the certificate for mafia Punzo. Circumstance to be partners in the course of Nola Knight knew nothing from the start, but against whom now find themselves hitting her head. Also because 'debt and' reached a tipping point (20 million euros and goes red in the only period 1 January to 31 December 2010). For this reason, or part or skips.
We start. And tell the beginning of this story, which has contributed not a little to deflect the political destiny of the country, to reach our troubled days.

MUSKETEERS IN CAB
New Passenger Transport The spa was founded in Rome in 2006 by Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, Mr. Moccasin Diego Della Valle, Gianni Punzo and Giuseppe Sciarrone. In 2008 they make their entrance into society 'first Intesa-Sanpaolo (in January) and then, in October, the French SNCF, the companies' public rail transport across the Alps. Even have time to set foot in that team, January 17, 2008, Intesa San Paolo is found to be a part of the huge contract and guarantor (600 million) entrusted to the French Alstom: 25 high speed trains' carriages 11 each, comfort with the most 'advanced.
Shortly after the "Operation Nola". E 'on June 21, 2009 when NTV and Interporto Campano (made in creature attached to his legendary Gianni Punzo Kish, Wholesale Development Center founded in the mid' 80s, and the citadel of Commerce Good Volcano, the most 'recently) give the contract for the construction of the Maintenance Yards High Speed ??Train 'Targa NTV: what will be born' in the heart of Nolan, the only such facility in Italy to serve the companies' private railway.
"In signing the agreement - writes the local press - the CEO of NTV Giuseppe Sciarrone, President Gianni Punzo Interporto Campano, the mayor of Nola Jeremiah Biancardi and the President of the Campania Region Antonio Bassolino." "Investing in Nola - announces triumphantly Sciarrone - 90 million euros to build a plant to give the system 'to 300 highly skilled people work." "To underline - Punzo wishes to state its part - and that this investment 'was made possible by the confidence that a major company like NTV has granted to our territory and the wealth of credibility' that Interporto Campano, the quality 'of the dealer Campania Region, has built in recent years. Of this we must give credit to all members and especially to the NTV chairman Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, the first to believe in the choice of Nola. "

PROFONDOe # 8200, RED
From that day I spent just under two years old when, on 25 March 2011, the aristocrat Luchino signature and the national budget of the company dismisses the merciless', ended 31 December 2010. From which, besides reading the pompous claims of accounting editors, we find some very interesting circumstances.
The availability 'of the liquid society' has passed away, for example, by more than 111 million euros in 2009 to little more 'than 18 million at 31 December 2010. At the same time borrowing from banks touches the tune of 92 million and goes on, the "red" to suppliers come close to selling 10 million. Under "System improper commitments", then, we read that 'euro 650,586,200 represents the remaining installments of the debt to the companies' leasing Leasint spa for the acquisition of financial leasing fleet number 25 High Speed ??Trains '(...) for a total consideration of EUR 636,944,940, net of maxi already' paid '.
Mind-boggling sums, NTV shows future. But even while today, the figures show that compared with a capital estimated at almost 149 million, current debts amount to more than 104 million euros, with proposed increases up to 196 million.
To ensure that all good things, what is'? Who, in short, will have 'lose the bone of the neck in the unfortunate event that NTV does not do it? We always read in the budget, under the heading "Sureties and guarantees given by third parties in our interest." And we discover that the exposure of Intesa San Paolo and 'to the stars. Let's start with "Signature Line of Credit to ensure, on behalf of the company ', payable to the fulfillment Leasint Spa (owned by the same Intesa San Paolo, ed) under the leasing contract for the supply of 25 trains Alstom AGV products ":" the total amount granted to NTV for this type of collateral amounted to 478,000,000 euros. " It is not enough: there 'then the "Intesa Sanpaolo SpA Bank guarantee provided in the interests of society', in favor of Italian Railway spa. The surety, waiving the benefit of preventive enforcement, and 'consists of up to 9,699,200 euros, corresponding to the amount of bail, and expires December 12, 2020. "
In essence, Intesa San Paolo, the institution at the time represented by the Minister of Government Monti, Corrado Passera, I do not pay to have shelled out 60 million euros to get a stake in NTV through IMI Investments with a market share of 20% capital, it also offers guarantees for nearly 500 million. Much more 'cautious banks. BNL Paribas, for example, and 'exposed only to paying guarantees 133mila euros. Pennies.
As for himself, Gianni Punzo the pilot, were it not for the bloody anti-mafia certificate that does not arrive, it might already be said to be 'happy: always read that the 2010 Budget "NTV has paid for the entire contract price Interporto Campano of euro 55.2 million, inclusive of the amount for engineering services. " Remain to be paid about 2 million, but at this point are trifles.
Bloodless, finally, the data on the new job: only 184 people, including the CEO and precarious including: parasubordinate 11, 24 fellows and 2 interns. Congratulations!

PUNZOe # 8200, # 8200 Nele; LIVE
But from where did the difficulties facing the judicial Cavalier Giovanni Punzo, so troubled as to endanger the giant private high-speed 'and with it the first Italian bank, so far as to affect the country and probably influence the changing of the guard at the helm Economy and Transport? And 'this, the real answer to the question that circulates on the real reasons that led a banker as Corrado Passera, with dizzying fees (more than 3 million per year, excluding stock options), to accept a position as minister who at most can 'he made for himself from 2 to 300 thousand euro a year?
The Epic of Punzo, little king of the former Market Square, Naples, more 'sometimes told by the Voice, was summarized and updated only a few months ago in an article for the Express of Emiliano Fittipaldi. That lacked the "little detail" of the anti-mafia certificate denied by the Prefecture. So let's understand how it is' gone.
The facts date back to early 90s, when shooting the famous "Operation Hammer" conducted by the DDA against Naples, among others, the boss Carmine Alfieri and Pasquale Galasso (both accredited at the time of intimate acquaintances with the Masonic Agapi Nolan ).
They take the handcuffs for Gianni Punzo, on which the anti-mafia prosecutor formulates the heavy charges of 416 aa. Unforgettable still, among the chroniclers of the super activism of his defender, the attorney Stravino Hector, who succeeded 'to "carry" his client from the main proceedings to fragment. "Then - reminiscent of a Neapolitan criminal side of the hot celebrities at that time - in the process extract, the charges against Punzo was declassified by mafia-type criminal association for the sole abetting." But be careful, "he was recognized as an aggravating circumstance under Article 7 of Act 203, namely that for offenses committed with the aim of favoring the Mafia." And here, at this point, would be still the "delay" in issuing the Prefecture of Naples in the disk Green Punzo.
"In short - even comment on the Court of Naples - thanks to the excerpt Punzo has acquired the prescription, but the aggravating circumstance of Article 7 and no absolution still weigh on the issue of waiver."
The opinion on the delicate question, and 'was given in recent months to Gia, Inspection Group Anti-Mafia, the Naples Prefecture special office dedicated to the prevention and combating of activities' related to organized crime and that, and' called upon to give its opinion is binding on the issue of preemptive opinion.
The stop to the certificate, however, begins to manifest in 2008, when NTV announced the commissioning of site 'hub for high-speed' in Interporto. To request the document had been that once the Campania Region. The document is not 'never arrived, but the funding was also provided, although with the formula "conditionally." If, in short, mafia connections should arise, the funds will be returned.
At the center of it all remains a fundamental question. Punzo, who admitted in court that he attended elementary school in the same Carmine Alfieri, has always claimed to be a victim, not an accomplice, the boss.
There are circumstances that could affect the final decision of the prefecture. For example the fact that control the CIS with weapons in hand, have historically always been the brothers de Bouillon, originating Saviano (just like 'O ntufato, born Carmine Alfieri). The companies' supervisory Bouillon, long the center of investigations by the prosecution, including those involving the national Vincenzo Nespoli ally, had also won the contract for the security of property targati Campania Region.

UNE # 8200, # 8200 POMICINOe; PEARS # 8200; Friend
Curious: among the most 'ancient and faithful companions of Gianni Punzo in his climb to the hallowed halls of high finance Italian (including the background property, as well as' the most' exclusive summer meeting of the peninsula, Capri, Cortina d'Ampezzo) , we meet Paul Cirino Pomicino. He, the man who more 'and it' worked hard to send the Berlusconi government upside down, parading by the majority, to begin with, his favorite of all time, Gabriella Carlucci.
Lots and spread over time the seals of the close alliance between Punzo and Pomicino. Leaving aside the statements made in court by several repentant about the alleged relationship between Pomicino and Carmine Alfieri (since the charge is not 'proven later proved in court), the link more' current and consolidated between the two and 'represented by Development Bank, the economic heart of the entrepreneur. Founded in the CIS of Nola by Gianni Punzo, the bank sees the board always top John Cacace, old friend and right-hand Pomicino.
"Among the most contributions' significant credit provided by our institute - also reads a note from the BPS - the ones we recommend to the school of higher education Ipe, with whom we maintain relationships for years." The IPE, which stands for Institute for the activities' training, and 'a body of strict Opus Dei, founded and chaired by Representative Raffaele Calabro', doctor, always a man of unshakable faith pomiciniana. And so 'to make headlines today, and' also the coincidence that the very Corrado Passera not hide his feeling with the OVRA, as evidenced by its presence at the inauguration of the academic year of the Fondazione Rui, a treasure chest of home funded by Opus Dei Italian State.

THE GREAT CENTRAL TO THE THIRD POLE
Calabro ', another leading exponent of Opus, meanwhile, was passed and barrel, the sequel to' O Minister, from the shores Berlusconian the welcoming arms of Pier Ferdinando Casini. It is a place, that of pomiciniani, made more 'easy even appeared on the horizon by Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, architect of the Third Pole today, with the government of Mario Monti, the leadership seems to have conquered the country, despite the lack of numerical representation in Parliament.
And there 'in this regard, another terzopolista a key role in such a scenario, and' Italo Bocchino, eternal partner and close friend of pomiciniani of all time and latitude, so as to have the terminus in very difficult times, at the beginning of the 90s, the shareholding of the bank of Nola. One who speaks a little 'too much, the surveyor of Frignano of Aversa. And so ', before fleeing dell'improvvida forward a few weeks ago (when, on the eve of the inauguration of new government is gambling' to say that Mario Monti was already 'in petto the candidate of the Third Pole for 2013 Policies , arousing the anger of Gianfranco Fini), Mouthpiece in January 2011 calls for the direct descent in the field of Emma Marcegaglia. And, because 'no', even Luca Montezemolo. "A 40-year old woman's credibility would be the antidote to the malaise in the country," waved Mouthpiece after the convention of Todi. As for the Ferrari president, well, "if he decides to make political and 'clear that the comparison and' can ...».
In light of the rapid rush of events over the past two months, and 'Mouthpiece obvious that in January he had a crystal ball, but rather' solid allies already 'lined up and ready to take the field. "I do not make sense otherwise - comment on PDL in the area - the decisive contribution of Pomicino to send home the Berlusconi government and replace it with an executive who sees the summit Corrado Passera, the key man Cordero di Montezemolo, NTV license plate."
A reversal in which the role of France, as well as in Germany, has certainly been important. "The issue - note some commentators - has actually 'began only in appearance with the famous laugh half-heartedly Merkel and Sarkozy against the then Prime Minister Berlusconi. For the French had made the game harder by the heavy exposure of two valuable pieces of their productivity 'NTV in the transaction. " Not by chance that the alarm was launched in late 2010 by the columns of the weekly l'Express, in an article Libie Cousteau, spoke of "disturbing audacity of the three moschiettieri" Montezemolo, Punzo and Della Valle, then added: "The and the fact 'that the small company that has created four years ago Montezemolo, NTV, and' the center of a controversy that involved incredible, after rentre'e of society ', the pages of major newspapers. For some NTV embodies absolute evil, the advent of competition on the rails of the public service. "
But what 'that the more' interesting to the French, "in October 2008, the SNCF has a che'que 80 million (in favor of NTV, ed) to win 20% of the capital and recover two seats in council Administration, "in addition to the contract" from 600 million to Alstrom "to make the coaches. There was short, even for the French finances, what to be holding my breath. Especially considering that the article was given the date for the scheme to train NTV ("will transport 'her first travelers from Rome to Milan in September 2011"). Date, as we have seen, then "regular" nuanced, with French investors in a panic for foreboding open in full economic crisis, the non-departure of trains.

As # 8200, will end '
And speaking of looks to the future, the risk and 'what we end all of this step, into the bleak scenario foreshadowed by the Wall Street Journal just a week after the swearing in of the Government Monti, Article dall'informatissimo promptly relaunched in Italy Roberto D 'Augustine of Dagospia. How will, Europe and Italy, in 2021? To try to answer this question, the data in hand, Niall Ferguson Tuesday edition of 'November 22 New York newspaper. "A decade after the crisis - Ferguson writes - passed not without having taken the scalp of at least 10 governments, including France and Spain, the euro is still circulating in Europe, although more 'cash in electronic form. Vienna has replaced Brussels as the capital of what 'that has now taken the name of the United States of Europe (USE). "
We come to us. "Perhaps it was fitting that the Europe of 2021 had its foundations in Rome and Athens, the cradle of civilization 'West. But Papandreou and Mr Berlusconi were by no means the first victims of what 'might be called the Curse of the euro, a currency "kill-government.'" If fact, they are likely or fiction, these predictions are weak at the wrists, now we know that in Italy, including the unmentionable reasons for the reversal of the executive Berlusconi, even that may be wagered billion from the first Italian bank, Intesa St. Paul, on the fate of NTV di Montezemolo, Punzo and Della Valle. With flaming convoys are ready to go to raise cash and boost the abysmal exposure, but all because of that certificate still mired in Naples mafia, the Government Palace in Piazza Plebiscite.
And we also know that probably now, with prefects, admirals and bankers to lead the country, every problem will end for the NTV '. Punzo will result 'immaculate as an angel, we will travel to 300 per hour to board the "Italian" comfort watching first-run movies, or sipping a drink, and Intesa San Paolo will be released' from the grip of that terrible risk.
Too bad that lose out in a few years might be the range of a whole country, ours, if they respected the scenarios described by the Wall Street Journal, for 2021, "when - as effectively summarizes D'Agostino - will the Italians waiters and gardeners in the Germans 'second homes', from Capri, Portofino, the Emerald Coast in Cortina.

THE TAKE HOME MESSAGE: FUCK THE PUBLIC WORKS PARADIGM, FUCK KEYNES, DEATH TO THE BUCCANEERS, STOP THE ASSAULT TO THE GOVERNMENT CHEST!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 11:46 | 2042040 nyforcain
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While what's going on in Italy is instructive, look what's going on in the US.  Ok folks, it’s come to Jesus time. Obama’s unconstitutional acts of doing recess appointments while congress was not in recess certainly qualify as high crimes and misdemeanors, to say the least. He is setting himself up as a dictator and no one is speaking out let alone doing anything about it. Where is the GOP and why are they not screaming from the rafters? Where is our generation’s Paul Rever…e? We are at the precipice of losing our country and people better wake up quick and do something about it fast. His plans to gut the military are further proof of his dictatorial plans. He needs to get rid of any potential threats to his takeover. People need to understand history and how dictators in the past have used the same techniques he is using to obtain complete control. It’s time to turn off the tv, stop playing farmville and any other meaningless things you do and do everything in your power to save this country by educating yourself, family,and friends. Every elected official who does nothing about this needs to be thrown out of office, both GOP and democrats. There are some GOP congressional reps who are patriots but their voices are being drowned out by the go along to get along check pants republicans. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a patriotic democrat anymore. Every democratic politician currently serving in congress is an enemy of the US Constitution and therefore your enemy. You need to be bombarding elected officials, particularly the GOP leadership with letters to take action before it’s too late. I’m as serious as a heart attack about what I’ve written and I defy anyone to refute what I’ve said. It’s up to each of us to wake up from our slumber lest the book The Late, Great USA be written.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:44 | 2042268 Randall Cabot
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Here's another really good one from Brother Nathaniel: Who's Behind The National Detention Act:

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=688

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:12 | 2042075 sulfur
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hasnt the whole world gone fascist by now as par definition it is the melting of industry and state?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:22 | 2042101 Yancey Ward
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Look, the Italian professors know that sheep need pens and guard dogs.  They are the smart ones.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:34 | 2042118 JR
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Mario the Duce?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:39 | 2042136 flyme
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Financial or economic interests do not merit restrictions of capital, goods, services, or people's movements under Article 26, paragraph 2 TFEU; internally or externally. Non restriction is also stated with the Council Drective 88/36I/EEC of 24 June 1988 regarding Treaty implementation of Article 67. This includes such member states liability for such restraint under the guise of any of its public authority adminstrative/ agency acts. EU citizens could invoke Article 63 TFEU within a Court challenge of any such restrictions/ violations.

Unless there is a national justification for restraint as applicable to the four-point Gebhard ECJ case is met. 1. A clearly stated justifiable public interest pertaining to a specific lot of people is stated. 2. Such use is done in a non-discriminatory fashion. 3. These actions will meet what has been clearly stated. 4. No disproportionate effect occurs as a result.

 

If, one likes a Facist State, then accept what actions are implemented.

Or, let the Court challenges begin.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 12:44 | 2042148 flyme
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This is of course not the first time Italy, nor Spain has sought through national laws to restrict capital movements http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/03/964&format...

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:22 | 2042224 CEOoftheSOFA
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Germany, France, the UK, and US are also transitioning to fascism. Close cooperation between government and corporations (bailouts) is a feature of fascism.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:24 | 2042232 HL Shancken
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FP: Tell us about the Prime Minister of Italy, Romano Prodi (also former President of the European Commission) and his relations with the KGB.

Stroilov: Romano Prodi was described to Alexander by a senior KGB/FSB colleague, three star General Trofimov, as ‘our man in Italy’. He told Alexander that Prodi had ‘collaborated with the KGB’ and ‘carried out KGB missions’. Moreover, after 1996 the FSB had restored its relations with the old KGB agents of influence in the West. So, Gen. Trofimov and Alexander himself reckoned that Prodi might still be dangerous.

In February 2006, Alexander was interviewed about that by Mario Scaramella, a consultant to the Guzzanti Commission of Italian Parliament, which investigated the KGB’s activities in Italy. The video-record of that interview was kept secret at the time, and intended only for a closed-doors parliamentary investigation. (After Alexander’s death it was made public, and the transcript of it is included in the Allegations.)

However, two months later Alexander encouraged Gerard Batten, Member of European Parliament for London, to make his accusation against Prodi public. Gerard did that on 3 April 2006 in his speech to the European Parliament. The Parliament declined to investigate the matter, as Gerard insisted it should do; nor did Prodi himself ever comment on it as long as Alexander was alive. However, just eight days after Litvinenko’s death, Italian left-wing newspapers ‘revealed’ how Sen. Guzzanti and Scaramella were ‘plotting’ to discredit Prodi by alleging he had links to the KGB. Prodi himself, in a clumsy imitation of fury, announced he would instruct his lawyers to take legal action over these allegations. In event, no such legal action was taken.

Mario Scaramella was arrested as soon as he returned to Italy on Christmas of the same year. He is still kept in prison without a trial, and may stay there for the rest of his life. For the Italian legal system enables the prosecution to keep him in jail for three months on some particular charges, then drop those charges, put forward some new ones, and jail him for another three months. So it goes on and on for a year now, against the background of a perpetual propaganda campaign against Scaramella. Indeed, he is one of the first political prisoners in the emerging Gulag of the EUSSR.

 

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=29472

 

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 13:33 | 2042246 xcehn
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"Will Italy lead the way once more, as politicians in Europe and the US watch to see what oppressive policies they may get away with?"

You mean like the NDAA?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:30 | 2042335 HL Shancken
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Was Zerohedge Created as a Communist/KGB Front?

 

Article after article on Zerohedge promotes the argument that the world is being taken over by bankers, by fascists. Only to naive, gullible, superficial, brainwashed readers is this a plausible supposition.We are supposed to believe that bankers, using only money, have taken control of the largest governments in the world.

 

The US, Russia, and Europe have money, too. Not only do they have it, they print it. Some things governments have in addition to money are the ability to pass and enforce laws, police and security agencies that operate under color of those laws, intelligence and espionage organizations, armies, navies, air forces, and weapons of mass destruction.

 

The idea that private banking institutions have somehow managed to gain control of the largest governments of the world by simply buying them is not something Zerohedge supports with facts. Instead, they point to people in positions of power who have connections or past connections with the banking industry and essentially say "see, he used to work for Goldman Sachs, and that means that Goldman Sachs has accomplished a takeover of the government." Zerohedge labels it a "fascist" takeover despite the fact that the last fascist government on earth was defeated in 1945 along with the last viable fascist political party. Meanwhile, communist fronts operating as socialist parties abound.

 

Meanwhile, Zerohedge conspicuously avoids the mention of Marxist-Leninists, communists of all stripes, the KGB and its sister services. This is remarkable considering the fact that if any takeover is being accomplished the evidence points in this direction. Moreover, it has been the pattern of Marxist-Leninists, communists of all stripes, and the KGB and its sister services to do things such as incessantly propagandize against Western bankers, accusing them of all the things of which they, the communists, are themselves guilty.

 

In the current instance, this article about Italy that has prompted my comment, there is no mention about the allegations made by Litvinenko and Scaramelli that Prodi is, as Litvinenko put it, the "KGB's man in Italy." Is Zerohedge unaware of this? I hardly think so. Is Zerohedge of the opinion that this allegation is false? Why would they be, given the fact that, according to Vladimir Bukovsky 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m41Tdl5mvdg 

and others, the EU is itself a creation of the USSR. Zerohedge has, as far as I know, never posited such a connection. The site seems intent on imprinting on the brains of its readers a very different theory, one that implicates the capitalist system and which just so happens to be identical to the type of anti-capitalist propaganda that has been practiced by the KGB for many decades now.

 

Infiltration and subversion of Western institutions by the KGB on behalf of the Kremlin and communism is the blueprint that has been followed by its officers for many decades now. Gramsci's "long march through the institutions" is part and parcel of communist policy. Evidence of the success of this program abounds. Conspicuous by its absence here at Zerohedge, those with just a rudimentary knowledge of the history, tactics, and accomplishments of the KGB must begin to question why there is no mention of a communist/KGB origin to the current state of world affairs. Those with more understanding of communist/KGB operations know that Zerohedge is walking like a duck and quacking like a duck.

 

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:55 | 2042392 JR
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@ HL Shancken: We are supposed to believe that bankers, using only money, have taken control of the largest governments in the world.

Only money? Money buys war and politicians; it buys power. The problem here is that it is our money; it is the theft of our money and the use of that stolen money to subjugate, punish, undermine, blackmail and kill to establish tyranny. 

Money is the root of the problem, HL, the use and stealing of it.  If Americans had their own currency, ALL our problems would be solved. As it turns out, money’s everything!

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 15:27 | 2042443 HL Shancken
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Only to naive, gullible, superficial, brainwashed readers is this a plausible supposition.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 16:03 | 2042498 JR
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Some would not consider it naïve to feel the continuing loss of liberty and to witness the growing tyranny which is paid for by taking money from the taxpayers and giving it to the international bankers until, as Thomas Jefferson said, “the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Central bankers make money out of nothing to out-compete what others must accept as a deflating “medium of exchange” for their labors and resources. Sir Josiah Stamp, president of the Bank of England and the second richest man in Britain explained it in the 1920s: “The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin. Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and with a flick a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again.  Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.((1880-1941) President of the Bank of England in the 1920's, the second richest man in Britain - Speaking at the Commencement Address of the University of Texas in 1927

It is time to break the chains that bind. Americans must end the Fed, the core that fuels corruption and banker tyranny.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 16:06 | 2042503 HL Shancken
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Serious question: Are you a communist?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 16:19 | 2042521 JR
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"From what I have observed over the years, Goldman has a fascinating culture. It is sort of like what I imagine the culture of the K.G.B. to be." -- Ben Stein, The New York Times, Sunday, December 2, 2007.

IOW, Goldman and the K.G.B., both strong-armed, secretive tyrants – so call it what you will. 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 16:59 | 2042599 HL Shancken
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It's a curious thing, this deflection of my question.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 03:16 | 2043654 Peter K
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BEn Stein should know since the culture he functions in, i.e. the NYT, is probably as close to the KGB disinformation department as one can get.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 16:16 | 2042518 Cadavre
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Gosh - you'so specific and your choice of verbs adjectives and adverbs sounds so ...  so .. soo .. so collegiate! I drip of excitement as I tap my key keyboard.

Are you one of those antidisestablishmentarianismists?

Inquiring minds, who get hot for real "blog men"  that speak in the glittery tinsel  of upscale absolutes and say it "like it is", are wet with anticipation to know!

Please - by all means - do tell! We're desperately seeking real blog guys here!

Is English your first language? Do I know your mother? Do all of us know your mother?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 16:49 | 2042540 Urban Redneck
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I doubt it.  ZH is an echo chamber, and loudest voices reverberate the most.

If you want "truth" you have to hunt for it, just like everywhere else. 

I don't have any links or videos (and don't partake of those offered).  However, I don't think any station chief  from either side would under any circumstances compromise the identiity of an assett.  If people choose believe otherwise, perhaps the CIA could fix the US education system...  Or perhaps, given the "historical" depth of the bench in financial operations and propping up or destabilizing governments- that someone at the CIA might have noticed what the Treasury Department and FED have been up to in the last couple decades, since the economic impact is right up their alley... especially, on a long enough timeline.  Even ignoring the necessary sacrifices of the Cold War- once the Wall Came Down and everyone ws sitting around with this dumb WTF now? mentality, no one saw it fit to leash the financial WMD freaks.  The CIA has earned the bad reputation it has, and the suspicion with with it is viewed, even if it is done for precisely the wrong reasons. 

If you don't like the brainwashed freaks, you could always try brainwashing them yourself.  However, it might be more simple to feed the addicts what they crave- I would start with with what's buried in the public domain on their PSYOPS, big menacing and conspiracy inspiring words work well... I once led a camel to water, but damned if I am going try to teach a kicking, spitting, humpbacked ass how to drink. 

As for Fascists, perhaps you were born after, or in a coma before, 9/11/2001 - shit has definitely taken a goose stepping turn towards Nazi Nutterville since then, unless the TSA is a giant FSB conspiracy to turn Americans against fat lazy overpaid civil rights violatling perverts on the public dole...  

As for the bankers, yeah they're actually dumb as shit or they wouldn't have needed bailouts in the first place, good at paying the lobbying bills on time though.  However, sucking up to the very same whores by implementing insane and destructive practices after they just get done  buying and tramp stamping their asses the day before is really revolting... but then bankers and congress critters in bed together is technically interspecies mating.

And finally, since the CIA has let their State, DSS, and Marine fellow occupants of US embassies turn those fortresses into utterly dehumanizing and even extremely American unfriendly, and yet they peons are served by as incompetent and inefficient as ever public non-servants- FUCK THEM.  Good will builds bridges, this NAZI approach this they promote, tolerate or partake in = burns bridges, but then that is the true story of American Foreign Policy - fair weather freindship married to the law of unintended consequences.      

If the CIA wanted to step up the image reapair-  they could do like the French  and open Le CIA, INC. and offer the service to small and medium sized enterprises.  If they really wanted to step their game up they could offer all their fancy satellites and other tech toys and hawk data to the Fortune 500, and at least meet the Russians on equal footing, this is one of those "double cool" solutions since they already take the bad rap for it.  CIA, NSA, DHS, XYZ what's the difference  - THEY ALL WORK A BULL DYKE NAZI BITCH WHO CALLS US CITIZENS THREATS AND THE ENEMY (AND DOESN"T EVEN BOTHER TO CALL THE ACTUAL ENEMY- THE ENEMY).     

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:37 | 2042366 NotANumber
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Guys, I usually read ZH with interest, but this post is astonishingly uninformed. I am Italian and I have studied constitutional law and I can guarantee you that Monti's government is completely in line with Italy's constitution. It is not the first "technical" givernment of Italy's history, either. It so happens that constitutions around the world are not the same as the US one: In Italy we have a parliamentary democracy, which means that the government responds to the elected parliament. Monti's government went to parliament and got a confidence vote by the regularly elected parliament. As a consequence, it is in office until April 2013, when the current legislature ends. This is very clear to anybody who bothers getting informed before speaking. NO violation of Italian decocratic rules and NO indefinite mandate, you ignorant.

Furthermore, the 1000 euro limitfor cash transactions is NOT legally configured as a crime. Whoever breaks this rule is subject to a fine. This is very different for being subject to criminal law. At least for anybody who bothers getting a bit informed about law.

This is also one of many changes that are very welcome by Italians, because they are being asked to pay higher taxes to clean up public finances, but have lost faith over the years about the distribution of the burden. Tax evasion has become more and more widespread in Italy, and nowadays the only people who really do pay taxes are employees and retirees, who have no other choice. These people request, rightly, that those who wish to evade tayes are prevented from doing so.

If people want to keep their money in Switzerland, they are welcome to emigrate to Switzerland, if they can find a job there. But as long as they live in Italy, and benefit from its social system, they must pay tax and honest Italians are happy to finally see a government who really tries to make sure that the burden is shared in an equitable manner.

I would like to remind you that in Europe we all stand behind a social security system that represents our views on what a community is: what it means to insure each other against life's events like illness and job loss, what it means to contribute to higher level education that is affordable for anybody independent of parents' income and without the slavery of long-term debt. We *want* this. And it is unacceptable that some citizens pay for it and others free-ride by evading tax.

THIS is how one should read what the new government is doing in Italy. Or trying to do, because the resistance from the "shrewd" is strong.

Fascism we had, thank you very much. And if you had been following Italian politics in the last 15 years, you would know that we had never again come so close to fascism as under Berlusconi. What we have now is the attempt of a "Risorgimento" of that part of Italy that values integrity, competence and an equitable society, over a class of criminals and crooks.

We could discuss for years over the values that are implied by my response. But one thing is unacceptavle: diffusing over the internet or any other media incorrect information, which can be easily checked by reading the right sources. Like, i don't know: shall I suggest the Italian constitution and the legislative acts on "La Gazzetta Ufficiale"?  Or are you happier pontificating about stuff you have no clue about?

 

 

 

 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 15:48 | 2042479 JR
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Thanks for the inside information on the Italian “system” of government and your optimism about rebuilding in the future under Goldman Sachs. 

As Americans our concern is not so much about Italian internal affairs as it is affected by the  European developments, specifically the Federal Reserve use of US taxpayer money and rising inflation to keep European banks afloat as recession widens and deepens in Europe, pulled down by huge debts in countries such as Italy.

The investment banks in the US are heavily involved not only with forcing taxpayers to pay back their risk-driven debts, but it is obvious that they are manipulating your European political leaders. Monti comes to mind as one of the top manipulators and Goldman manipulatees.  How can the good intentions of the Italian people be equated with a Goldman Sachs representative running their government in light of the continuing crime spree of international bankers such as Goldman Sachs who, in spite of Mario’s Italian credentials, are his real masters?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 16:07 | 2042501 HL Shancken
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Georgio Napolitano is Mario Monti's patron. Napolitano is a lifelong Communist Party member. Is this unknown to you?

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 16:26 | 2042526 JR
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Of course it is not unknown to me, and it rather makes my point!

We should always remember that the investment bankers use socialism as their model for government. And like communism, socialism allows control of the government from a central source rather than from representatives of the people.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:04 | 2042594 HL Shancken
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Your mind and your imagination are warped. You have not (because you cannot) explained how bankers, without benefit of political organization, armed force (or its threat), or motive (a motive which includes the destruction of the capitalist system is not in fact a motive, but the opposite) have accomplished such a takeover as your fantasy contends. You  apparently believe, as the editors of Zerohedge apparently believe, that corporations which lack all these things have somehow managed to corrupt the already corrupt with wealth they do not need. I don't think that you have considered for a moment that it is the bankers which have been corrupted and co-opted. As for what Zerohedge editors believe, what Zerohedge really is, now, that is the question.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 18:31 | 2042759 JR
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But I do believe that “it is the bankers which have been corrupted and co-opted.” In fact, I believe that it is the financial rulers and their greed that has not only led the van against free enterprise and a private market economy, but I believe they have directed the attack. I also believe they have financed worldwide socialism and communism. They supply the money, their paid politicians supply the laws and the military-industrial complex that they fund supplies the missiles, the airplanes and the aircraft carries.  What else do you need?

Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan Chase (Rothschild/Rockefeller) essentially control the New York Federal Reserve Bank and the New York Federal Reserve Bank controls what Bernanke intends to do with interest rates and special-privilege corporate assistance.

As Bruce Wiseman said in 2009: it is more than greed.

“Are Goldman Sachs’ alumni part of a broader agenda that has not only lined their pockets with the spoils of corruption that Taibbi has exposed, but has also helped facilitate an international financial coup—a coup that has put the control of the planet’s financial affairs into the hands of a small group of central bankers that hold secret meetings at what is nothing less than the Vatican of international finance: the Bank for International Settlements located in Basel, Switzerland?

“If you’ve had a suspicion that bankers are running Washington, then hang on to your Calvins because, while it starts in DC, this story is global in reach and is rolling out before your eyes—if you are willing to look…”

He presents his case and concludes: “And there you have it. Complete financial control of U.S. financial policy and markets, from the White House and Treasury, to the New York Fed, the New York Stock Exchange and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Control of the World Bank along with the most powerful member of the International Monetary Fund, and at the top of the fiscal food chain, the Bank for International Settlements and its Financial Stability Board.”

http://www.therazzline.net/article/goldman_connection.html

And now, Goldman et al. control the European Union.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 12:16 | 2044091 fajensen
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The whining about Hungary is telling: What got "Europe" into a hissy-fit was the government attempt to grab some lukrative seats in the central bank. The censorhip and state control with all media - not much. 

Government policy must always benefit the bankers (and be approved in advance by bankers).

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 00:16 | 2043314 hardcleareye
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I enjoyed reading your post, the old expression of the pot calling the kettle black came to mind. 

Don't waste my time and your creditability by citing volumous government documents, and if that is required than have  the good form to provide a link and specifics on the sections that support your claims.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 01:57 | 2043565 Cadavre
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THe issue to most of us on this side of the pond is the ease with which our Federal Reserve is so ready to bleed us to through inflation to bailout the PIIGS and the ease with which the PIIGS money centers appear so willing to accept it.

One of the "I"'s in PIIGS is Italy. What ever happened to the children of those Italians that toppled Mussolini? Why have Italians allowed their nation finances to get so ridiculously terrible that Americans are forced to tighten their belts? Where are the Italians your great grandparents were. Those Italians would have let this happen.

It's not about the nuances of government / economic framework - it's about the Italy's problems being used as a "rational", by the US central bank, to "inflate" America back to the stone age.

A hack at the NYT, Krugman, recently quipped, without batting an eye, that the debt piled on the American gentry "is not really debt, because we owe it to ourselves".

US food prices and fuel prices have gone way beyond anything imaginable. Changes in the way US inflation is reported now exclude food and fuel, but do include the discounted market value (market value is less than book value) in residential real estate - IOW, an the discount of market to book has a "deflating" effect, thus making the fraudulent US inflation index appear reasonable.

American companies, like GE, and UK concerns, like Virgin, are sucking us dry through ethanol subsidies. GE paid negative 4 Billion in taxes from all the subsidies our administrative employees in DC pass to them. GE got a 138 Billion bailaout. GE held the NBC franchise. NBC, MSNBC and CNBC (media outlets) blatantly cheer lead for our current administration and the FED and always seem to find an opportunity to sling mud at anybody that seeks to shut down that relationship. GE gets subsdies for offshore manufacturring. GE has 53% of it's workforce off shore. GE gets a tax subsidy for that from both the American and [mostly] Chinese governments. Wages paid to Chinese GE employees are not taxed and do not contribute any FICA receipts. GE may also be sharing US patents and copyrights with other governments and is most likely not paying royalties back to US citizens.

Inflation is bad here - the economy is on the edge. Our government, our central bank and our primary banks are always looking for "rationales" to inflate our currenct because inflation is the only reason our equity indexes seem to defy the reality of US economics.

You're Italian - what are you doing to reign in the fraud that is causing Americans so much grief? Does it seem like your government is constantly seeking ways to zero out any disposable income Italians have left over after they pay their bills?

Don't get me wrong. I love Italian design and engineering. I love Italian food. It would be hard to imagine a world without Italy or the classics given to humanity by ancient Rome. I am not anti Italian. America is vast. Italy is more like a large Disneyland. It's small - so how did everything get so fucked up there?

Would love to talk political nuances - but the issue is the PIIGS. Just guessing that Italians that suffered, then destroy fascism, would be ashamed that the fraud in their financial system is causing Americansso much pain.  So tell us - what are Italians doing to resolve it - in Aherica we get flecced for everything - 2 week vacations - 12,000 bucks a year for health insurance with really fat co pays - we pay out the ass for everything - we got prisons out the kazoo - nothing is free here - and everything [almost] is a crime and your government's bad judgment (and others) has pushed the American gentry to a level of anger and discontent few have ever imagined.

Did you profit of the invasion of Libya - where did Italy get the moola to buy into that genocidal enterprise? What are Italians, not their government, doing to preseve the legacy their great grand parents left them? When did Italians become such pussies? Why did Italy elect an obvious frontman for the mafia like Berlusconi? Did you vote for him? When was the last time Italy bailed out anybody?

What is going on in Italy?

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:03 | 2044354 Randall Cabot
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"What ever happened to the children of those Italians that toppled Mussolini?"

I believe Mussolini was booted out of power by the same people who previously supported him so the children of the people who toppled him are the children of the people who supported him.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 09:26 | 2043870 bombimbom
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+1

well said, NotANumber!

 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 04:55 | 2046059 boogey_bank
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Ma di cosa stai parlando? Non sei in grado come Tyler di vedere la deriva fascista che fa la comparsa in Italia Europa e Usa? Parli di Berlusconi come fascista, quando lui è semplicemente un furfantello che vuole fare i fatti suoi in barba al conflitto di interessi ed aggiustando qualche processo.

Sei per caso un fan di Prodi, che ci ha cacciato in questo guaio, come scritto qui da ZH?

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/step-aside-greece-how-gustavo-piga-exposed-europes-enron-2001-focusing-italys-libor-minus-16

E per te la norma sul contante serve a combattere il riciclaggio o stanno piuttosto chiudendo la tonnara nella quale io e TU ci troviamo?

E cosa pensi di questo?

http://www.lavocedellevoci.it/inchieste1.php?id=472

Stanno letteralmente demolendo il trasporto pubblico locale, i treni notturni a lunga percorrenza per i lavoratori, ma trovano le risorse per un nuovo operatore dell'alta velocità che DEVE avere il certificato antimafia anche se non lo può avere.

Quando griderai al colpo di Stato? Quando dichiareranno un bank holiday e non potrai accedere ai tuoi soldi in banca?

O forse sei sul loro libro paga?

Hai sbagliato sito internet.

Vai a scrivere sul blog di Paul Krugman ;-)

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 15:47 | 2042472 omi
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I guess all I can say is this is like Belaurs all over, but in Europe.

Coming up: why you need retroactive changes in tax law.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 18:10 | 2042724 Dcheeth2
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Can't remember where I saw it. But there was information on the Internet somewhere a few years back, exposing exactly what the EU is all about. 

There is a Euro elite, who own everything, then the rest, who own nothing. And I mean, own nothing. The EU is the next monstrous form of Communism being played out, with countries gone, I mean, literally, no such thing as an independant France, Germany etc. and regions, with unelected officials ruling all. 

Dangerous times ahead, as most of what goes on in the countries of our neighbours is never reported here in the UK. Even the internet is becoming one big controlled propaganda machine. If I put in "spain riots" into Google, I get something dating back to a few months ago, yet, I know for a fact, disorder has taken place in Valencia and Bilbao very recently. 

Unbelievable. 

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 19:45 | 2042845 MarketWatchTerrorist
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Why do you think the Germans mostly rent their (tiny) living spaces even today?  Because "ownership" is reserved for the elite in Europe.  Ownership implies power and self determination.  Renting property places one in a far different position psychologically, the position of someone that lives at the disgression of their masters.  Rents are fairly cheap, because those are the prices that the slaves can afford, but slaves they are. 

 

The Germanic countries never developed feudalism as was found in England, France, and elsewhere.  However, their crushing defeat in WW2 brought them to their knees and allowed neo-feudal institutions to be installed.  In many ways the neo-feudal system seen in Europe today is nothing new, but rather, a return to the old ways.  Rule by a small set of aristocratic families that own everything and are in charge of everything.

 

Democracy was never really a European ideal (maybe academically, but not in practice).  The Queen of England is still the head of state of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and all of the U.K.  And the relationship between the British empire and the U.S. is far too close for my liking and raises questions of its own.  Democracy is the opiate of the masses, but it is an illusion at best.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 22:13 | 2043057 JR
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Exactly what I am experiencing on Google. As you say, unbelievable.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 09:37 | 2043891 bombimbom
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it's when you all start raving in delirium about supposed communism in western europe (EU) that you make sure that you'll never make sense. it's impossible to make sense in the real world if you start arguing about sci-fi politics in fantasylands.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 19:36 | 2042838 MarketWatchTerrorist
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Italy is a serf province of the European Union which is itself a cornerstone of the New World Order.  Individual liberty and democracy were never part of the equation of the E.U. or NWO.

 

This is not an Italian problem, it is a New World Order problem.

 

Welcome to it, bitchez.

Sat, 01/07/2012 - 21:46 | 2043027 ozziindaus
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I called a classmate a Fascist once at the age of 14 and rightfully received a lashing from my teacher. I learnt the word from watching the Young Ones and of course did not understand the true meaning of the term. Whatever is going on around the world may resemble prior tyrannies but a true Fascist state would be proud to proclaim themselves as one and I don't exactly sense that from any nation. Point is, the term Fascist is old fashioned and has too many negative connotations. Same ideals may be repackaged BUT will only be marketed to the masses under a different name. Who knows, future generations may consider Republicans to be a repressive regime of a past era. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA8Uav7EPlQ

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:04 | 2044716 brettd
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I'm stunned that we're worried about Italy, when we've got a fascist in the white house now:

Clearly, Obama thinks that laws are too slow and inconvenient, as evidenced by:

Bypassed the law/courts in the bailout of banks.

Bypassed the law in the bailout of AIG/insurance companies.

Bypassed the law in the bailout of GM & Chrysler (who cares about bondholders?).

Bypassed the law in the BP spill.

Bypassed the law in issuing waivers to Obamacare.

Not a shot was fired!  Not a peep was heard!

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