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Guest Post: How "Crazy Survivalists" Make The World A Better Place

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

How "Crazy Survivalists" Make The World A Better Place

I was recently interviewed by a journalist for a local newspaper who was developing a story on the exponential rise of the “prepper lifestyle” in America, most especially in Western Montana.  Being an outsider to the Liberty Movement, she was naturally curious as to what motivated us to make what some in our culture would see as a drastic and bewildering leap away from the mainstream.  She was equally fascinated with our willingness to travel great distances and make substantial sacrifices to live in regions like the American Redoubt.    

I will not deny, Montana has indeed become a “hotbed” of survivalism and Constitutionalism, or what the Southern Poverty Law Center would call “extremism and domestic terrorism”.  I lived in Pittsburgh for years while writing for Neithercorp and Alt-Market and rarely ran into like minded individuals aware of the tenuous status of our society.  Within days of moving to Montana, I was being recognized by complete strangers in supermarkets excited to discuss the inner workings of Keynesian monetary corruption, precious metals investment, and Alinsky disinformation tactics.  Yeah…I know…it’s weird.

After living for a while in the Redoubt, you begin to forget that there are still many people in this country that are utterly oblivious to the epic dangers around them, as well as painfully helpless in knowing what to do when those dangers land on their doorsteps.  Speaking with the newspaper reporter, and my experiences at Paulfest in Tampa, Florida, reminded me that the world has yet to be reminded of the value of survivalism.  There is still a gap, a disconnect, a psychological twitch of the masses, and it compels me to explain, yet again, what they are missing.

I had thought about using parables like the ancient Greek story of Cassandra, who was given the gift of foresight and prophecy, but also stricken with a curse which prevented anyone from believing her dire warnings.  Or the story of Noah, who was given an omen, a vision of catastrophe, and directed by God on how to save a remnant of life, while knowing that most of the people around him would perish.  And what about Galileo, who simply tried to point out the scientific operations of the universe in which we exist, only to be ostracized by his church and government?  In these modern times, however, many find it increasingly difficult to relate to mythology, bible lore, or even historical precedence.  Luckily, there is always cinema…

While considering this topic, as if by design, I stumbled upon the film ‘Take Shelter’, the story of a man who suffers from acute intuition.  His vivid dreams warn him of a nightmare event, but is he a prophet, or a schizophrenic with delusions of doom?

Human beings hold within them a natural mechanism, a moral dynamo that compels them to alert others to the dangers they see silhouette on the horizon.  Every survivalist today has at one time or another felt the overwhelming weight of responsibility that comes with knowing; not believing, but KNOWING the future.  The film 'Take Shelter' illustrates the internal and external dilemmas of the survivalist in a way that is striking, beautiful, and affirming.

Prophetic dreams and spoken messages from the heavens are not necessarily required to understand the dilemmas our nation faces in the new millennium.  It does not take a psychic to see the mathematical certainty of dollar devaluation and loss of world reserve status.  The degradation of our civil liberties in the name of state security.  The formation of unaccountable supranational bodies which are quickly encroaching upon our individual sovereignty.  In fact, a person would have to be mentally blind, deaf, and dumb to NOT grasp what is happening right under their noses.  Sadly, this is where a majority of the American populace lives. 

Even at Paulfest, a convention and congregation of what I consider some of the most awake and socially aware people on the planet, I discovered that at least half of those in attendance had a minimal sense of urgency as far as a true national crisis was concerned, clinging to the assumption that they had yet more time to stab at top down solutions and political tap dancing that continually falls short of what is necessary to restore liberty.

It is difficult to retain one’s composure in the face of the astounding absurdity of normalcy bias.  The idea that today’s comforts will continue on tomorrow and forever is a powerful one.  To break such apathy requires steadfast resolve.  Sometimes, only startling and terrifying events are enough to rattle the mindless masses.  Sometimes, you just have to let the chips fall where they may, speak the truth to the best of your ability, and let the herd sort out the rest in their own good time, whatever there is left of it.  What we see as a forgone conclusion, what we passionately fight to expose, in their minds often translates into belligerence and a frightening subversion of their joyous naivety:

As we invade their perfect world with the dreadful facts of life, their subconscious reflex is to regard us as a tangible threat.  The first reaction is always to laugh.  Ridicule without substance is the primary defense of the ignorant.  But, what if you don’t go away?  What if your arguments are too precise?  What if there is too much clarity to your position?  What if you have a whole movement of people behind you?  What if you are a force to be reckoned with, and cannot be refuted or dissuaded?  What if logic dictates the admission that you are right, and they are wrong?

Then arises fury…

It is not uncommon for the truth tellers of an era to be labeled the enemies of society.  To be held as criminals, traitors, and terrorists.  In fact, the establishment has in the past two decades made every effort to paint survivalists as the boogeymen of our age; unstable and unpredictable wild-men hell bent on destruction in the name of some hallucinatory ideology.  Using generalizations, false associations, and outright lies, corrupt governments seek to fool the citizenry into viewing survivalists as a fringe element and a dark underbelly of their otherwise serene state sponsored existence.

In contrast, I would like to point out to the non-prepper populace the advantages of having some of us “loony” survivalists around.  Rarely in the mainstream are we ever presented with the utility of survival proponents, and how they actually serve the interests of the “greater good” to quote a phrase often used by drooling collectivists and statists who desperately try to defame the prepper subculture…

Advantage #1:  Survivalists Have Their Own Stuff – They Don’t Need Your Stuff

Survivalists have their own stuff, which means, they will likely not feel compelled to take your stuff, if, that is, you have any stuff worth having.  In the midst of a calamity, being surrounded by preppers is one of the best insurance policies a person could acquire.  Think about it; would you rather have me as a neighbor, with my guns, ammo, food supply, off-grid solar power and water, and anti-establishment angst, or, would you rather have some superficial sickly fake friendly suburban yuppie with a Mercedes, an overpriced boat, a $100,000-plus debt obligation, a repressed inferiority complex, a vicious department store-addicted trophy wife, three spoiled crusty children with a vocabulary of 80 words or less, and an empty pantry?  In a crisis, who is the real threat?  Come on!

Advantage #2:  Survivalists Keep To Themselves – Your Business Is Your Own

Have you ever lived in the metro areas of California, New York, or Illinois?  Ever notice how disgustingly nosy many people tend to become in the more socialist minded regions of America?  Neighborhood administrations that cite you for tall grass.  Permits on top of permits.  Sneers when you smoke a cigarette, even outdoors.  Environmental restrictions bordering on the insane.  City governments telling you what you are allowed to eat and drink and how much.  It’s so enraging it makes you want to wrench someone’s head off their neck and squeeze their skull like an oversized pimple.

Survivalists respect privacy.  Grow a garden on your front lawn.  Smoke your cigarettes (or whatever).  Drink your damned 2 liter mega-gulp.  Let your kids play with the water hose for hours, or open a lemonade stand.  Don’t worry; the authorities will never be told, because we don’t care.  We have far more important things to worry about.

Advantage #3:  Survivalists Are Handy

Ever have that one friend, or neighbor, or family member who just seems to have all the right answers when it comes to gardening, or solar power, or repairing that hunting rifle?  Who knows all the best camping and fishing spots?  Who always seems to be willing to go out of his way to help you set up a good emergency kit in case of that next hurricane, flood, tornado, earthquake, etc?  You may very well be working with a survivalist and not even know it.               

Advantage #4:  Survivalists Insulate A Region

The more survivalists there are in a particular area, the more likely you are to get through a disaster, whether you have prepared for it or not.  A network of survival communities offers an enormous variety of skills, an alternative economy and barter system to tap into, safety from harm during a major implosion or socially unstable times, and the ingenuity required to rebuild after the disaster. 

Let me put it this way:  who is more likely to return your environment to a livable state?  Groups of survivalists with the know-how and the desire because they actually LIVE in the region?  Or, a faceless government bureaucracy like FEMA with no meaningful ties to the community in which you live? 

Advantage #5:  Survivalists Cook Up A Mean Barbeque

Show me a survivalist that doesn’t grill like an artist.  I defy you!

Advantage #6:  Survivalists Stand Their Ground When It Counts

If you ever need someone to back you up in a terrible situation, you can’t do much better than a survivalist.  They are used to adversity.  In fact, many of us deliberately put ourselves through strenuous training environments in order to learn where we will falter.  We make a point to uncover our own weaknesses and improve upon them.  Our current comfort obsessed society is almost devoid of this characteristic.  Finding a single person who will not let you down is a gift.  Finding an entire movement of such people is a miracle.  Don’t let it go to waste…

Advantage #7:  Survivalists Are Time Capsules For Liberty

Every culture needs watchmen.  Not government paid watchmen who seek out power, but citizen volunteers who shun power.  Without such watchmen, fundamental principles can be lost or destroyed, and the people of a nation are apt to forget where they came from, and what made them successful in the first place.  Though the masses have a tendency to be lured away from the legacy of freedom which once served them towards the twisted ideologies of tyrants and collectivists, in the long run they always return, seeking the almost forgotten abundances of liberty.  When the people go searching for freedom once again, the survivalists, the enduring watchmen, will be waiting to greet them.

Advantage #8:  Survivalists Are Not Afraid To Remind Society Of Its Mistakes

It is easy to be apathetic to the criminality of government.  It is easy to cocoon one’s self inside his own little life, within the minor dramas of his family and of his job.  It is easy to turn away from the big picture and hope that the monsters of the world sort themselves out, or overlook us entirely.  Unfortunately, this is not how human history has ever been resolved.  The worst problems never disappear on their own.  Survivalists understand this and are willing to take personal risks in order to uncover the nature of the beast for anyone willing to listen.  They understand that their best chance of survival is to preempt a disaster before it ever occurs.  The value of this to the longevity of our species cannot be calculated.  Without those who can overcome the fears created by conformity, mankind is lost.  Our very future depends upon the principles of survivalism, which teaches us to embrace our individuality, love the individualism within others, stand unyielding in the face of oppression, and fight to our dying breath to see that the best in all of us is one day fully realized.



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Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:26 | 2773195 Aziz
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Declare independence from tyranny and the potential for tyranny by making yourself and your family self-sufficient. 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:34 | 2773203 Michael
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We could win tomorrow if a shit load of people walked around with T-shirts using this idea;

Got Guns & Ammo? Good!

I should make this my signature line.

I just made this up last night.  It's like that Got Popcorn? Got Milk?(meme)

People should make bumper stickers out of this saying.

People should make T-Shirts with "Got Guns & Ammo? on the front and "Good!" on the back, or vise versa. I'm making some to take to sell at the gun show.

I give this to you for free.  Have at it.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:35 | 2773214 HelluvaEngineer
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I've already have a "Got FAL?" shirt.  Does that count?

For most Americans, unfortunately, the answer is no.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:37 | 2773220 Michael
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You really have to spell out what you mean for the dumb.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:40 | 2773231 HelluvaEngineer
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A quick Google search is adequate.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:48 | 2773255 Michael
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People are too lazy to do that.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:05 | 2773288 XitSam
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:51 | 2773419 Manthong
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My bug-out vehicle is a Jeep, but I am looking at other options and ways to keep it clean.

What the hell, it’s Friday night.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:57 | 2773429 HelluvaEngineer
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Hmmm...they seem to prefer the Camaro.  But I already knew that.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:02 | 2773441 Michael
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There's no time left to be discreet. My idea is similar to the V for vendetta mask, only you don't need to hide behind a mask in America.

This is my response to the 1.4 billion hollow point bullet purchase by the federal government to be used domestically.

If someone asks if you own a gun and you don't know them, just tell them, that's none of your business.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:26 | 2773498 Michael
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FAL: Fusil Automatique Léger

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:32 | 2773600 Michael
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Video; TSA agent admits dishing out punishment on passenger for attitude by kicking her off the flight.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 21:33 | 2773651 FEDbuster
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Rather than letting those perverted assholes "sniff" her water (bought after going through the nazi rape stations), she drank the water in front of them.  So they banned her from taking her flight.  She is most likely now on the "no fly" list or some other unknown list for "trouble makers".  Fuck them and fuck the airlines for letting them take control of their security.  I will never fucking fly again. 

TSA accused Ron Paul of being a possible Kamikaze bomb threat to Romney and the RNC in Tampa while searching his private chartered plane.  They were going to feel up his wife, but stopped after someone started to video tape the assault.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 21:40 | 2773734 FEDbuster
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Rather than wearing a T-shirt, just strap a pistol (a big one) to your side.  Open carry of arms by law abiding citizens drives the hoplophobic, libtards nuts.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:05 | 2773751 Michael
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What if people walked around the airports and everywhere gathering in large groups with my t-shirts in an act of civil disobedience that is not, if you have the balls to do it. 

It's expressing your 1st amendment right.

It's only four words.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:08 | 2773771 Michael
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After crowd sourcing my idea on ZH, this is what I got so far;


Got Guns & Ammo? Good!

I just made this up last night. It's like that Got Popcorn?, Got Milk?(meme)

People should make bumper stickers out of this saying.

People should make T-Shirts with "Got Guns & Ammo?" on the back and "Good!" on the front, or vise versa. I'm making some to sell at the gun show.

There's no time left to be discreet. My idea is similar to the V for Vendetta mask, only you don't need to hide behind a mask in America.

This is my response to the 1.4 billion hollow point bullet purchase by the federal government to be used domestically.

If someone asks if you own a gun while wearing the T-Shirt and you don't know them, just tell them, that's none of your business, or to be pleasant, I don't give out that kind of personal information.

What if people walked around the airports and everywhere gathering in large groups with my t-shirts in an act of civil disobedience that is not, if you have the balls to do it?

It's expressing your 1st amendment right.

It's only four words.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 00:25 | 2773943 Michael
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I’m giving it away for free. You make thousands on it by printing hundreds of them and selling them before the market gets saturated.

Or before the Chinese do.

The first person wearing this T-Shirt who goes through the invasive TSA pat down line at the airport, and gets it uploaded on Youtube first, is the winner.
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 19:14 | 2775293 Michael
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If your scared of trying out my idea at the airport, carry a copy of this most dangerous weapon to protect yourself with in your hand.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:12 | 2773779 TheSilverJournal
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On a long enough timeline, nobody is a survivalist. To me, being a survivalist means giving a crap about your life. It's pretty plain to see interest rates will skyrocket and cause the US to go bankrupt and fiat to collapse, so it's probably best to start preparing yesterday. Or don't prepare at all if you don't give a crap about your life or the lives of the people you care about.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 17:02 | 2775126 Clashfan
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I'm always glad to see folks angry at the unnecesary TSA goons.

I couldn't believe it when Amerikans elected Bush 41. I couldn't believe folks in our country would elect a former CIA chief to head the country.

I couldn't believe it when people stood by for NAFTA, Waco, etc. I couldn't believe people actually voted for the Bushmonkey, supported the bogus wars, etc.

But I am astounded that American stupidity just keeps getting worse. I know plenty of people who think the TSA are not a big deal. Plenty.

Thanks, folks, for keeping up the pressure. And whatever you might think of him, Alex Jones has constantly bitched about the TSA. May God bless him.

Here's another one from his site. This is the kind of thing Americans are subjected to:

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 02:21 | 2774027 Henry Hub
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***you don't need to hide behind a mask in America***

Not so fast - FBI is now installing face recognition software

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:17 | 2774528 Overfed
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It's just fuckin' amazing what people will accept when they are being told that it's for their own good.

Hey everybody, do something good for liberty. Start destroying government owned surveillance cameras today!

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 16:37 | 2775094 Michael
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I told everyone the DHS was being set up for American civilians, not The Base or members of The Base.

"Under normal circumstances I’d say I told you so. But, as I have told so with such vehemence and frequency already the phrase has lost all meaning. Therefore, I will be replacing it with the phrase, I have informed you thusly."
— Sheldon, 4x09 The Justice League Recombination

If your scared of trying out my idea at the airport, carry a copy of this most dangerous weapon to protect yourself with in your hand.




Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:07 | 2773451 Dr. Engali
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Now why is it that I never see that at the local fundraising car wash in front of Walmart?

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:26 | 2773495 Manthong
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My town wouldn't even give Hooter's a business license.

Somehow I get the feeling those young ladies weren't part of the church ladies auxiliary. :D

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:44 | 2773529 XitSam
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You should get a Canyonero

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:09 | 2773312 MillionDollarBonus_
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“to discuss the inner workings of ... precious metals investment

This is something that really irritates me about goldbugs. HOARDING STACKS OF SHINY METAL IS NOT INVESTING!! Investing is something that takes time and consideration, and many years of painstaking research. Retail investors should only be investing in blue chip companies with proven records of success, and these investments should only be made under the guidance of a professional stock broker or financial advisor. Buying gold bullion is not only an esoteric and dangerous “investment”, but it also runs contrary to the opinion of some of the world’s most respected an accomplished investment professionals.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:14 | 2773317 Michael
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Putting your money in a 401k is a casino game of chance where the house always wins. Gold never goes to zero.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:25 | 2773475 nope-1004
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You are using the word "investing" much like Krugman uses the word "economics".  In theory, it works.  In the utopian world, it works.  In a text book, it works.

Today "investing" means abrogating ones rights to ones own wealth.  You will be stolen from if you "invest".  For a billionaire big-mouth like Buffet or Munger, "investing" and bashing PM's is all they know.  They were born at a unique time in history and Buffets aptitude in that setting made him lever his net worth.  He wouldn't have gotten rich had they invested in PM's through the 80's and 90's, but surely would have in 2000.  You can see, their time is up.  Their practice no longer profitable.  They are now irrelevant, losing money, losing time, and will have it all taken from them at some point.

Investing is no longer what it means.  Ask any MF Global customer.


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:50 | 2773656 FEDbuster
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"Invest in assets that you can stand in front of and guard with an AR-15", Ann Barnhardt 2012

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:18 | 2773793 TheSilverJournal
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Where was the gold price 50 yrs ago?...$35. Where is the gold price now?...$1740. Gold looks like it's been a pretty good investment to me. And currency about to collapse so gold's headed to at least $10,000 in the next 2 yrs.

Silver's the real winner though which will hit at least $1,000 in the next two years.

Silver/gold ratio will hit at least 10/1.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:46 | 2773845 Jungle Jim
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I hope you're right. I really do. I've got a fair amount of silver. (Or, rather, I know where a fair amount of silver is buried.)

All the gold I have -- or rather, know the subterranean location of -- would fit in some rapper's front teeth. (Well, maybe two rappers' front teeth.)  So I'd sure like to see that ratio go to 10/1. That would be nice.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 17:40 | 2775169 Manthong
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"I know where a fair amount of silver is buried."

You meant to say that you know was lost in the middle of Lake Superior, one dark and stromy November night a while back, during the time you were dirinking heavily and your thoughts are really cloudy from those days.

What a shame.

Oh, and if you listen to the Faber interview on FSN (small fee)  he insinuates that $17K /oz. gold could be a dollar revalue price.. but only after the US government tries to confiscate what's in private hands for current market price. 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 23:13 | 2773867 CompassionateFascist
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And speaking of Annie B., go over to her site @ and see how her tax strike is working out. Uncle Sugar about to hijack her house. Told her she can move in w me anytime, but prolly she won't. Sigh. But if she barricades herself in & the and the gubmint gets violent w her, I think Lone Tree Colo. might be a good place for a Gathering of the Clans.  

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 18:16 | 2773862 CompassionateFascist
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Actually, uncle Warren made a bundle off silver. During '79-'80, he trailed the Hunt Brothers' corner. Had inside info from his Carter admn. polit cronies as to when the gubmint would move against the brothas, then sold at the precise moment. Now he and his kind have cornered the world.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:12 | 2774515 FrankDrakman
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I'm constantly amazed at the number of ZH readers who can see that Obamittney is the same thing, that fiat is just a few letters from fiasco, and that things really are different this time, but can't see that MDB's sustained satirical output should be enjoyed and welcomed just as much as WB7's inspired creations (The Limerick KGB - not so much)

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 02:46 | 2775768 sadmamapatriot
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I always take MDB as satire. It is the only way his shit makes sense.


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:17 | 2773326 krispkritter
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Yep, definitely losing the edge MDB. I've seen bigger asses but only on the current First Lady. Try harder or go back to the basement....


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:39 | 2773380 Yen Cross
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 Chimpanzees are smarted than I thought! ;-)

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:37 | 2773376 blunderdog
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I know it's all just a joke, but the resident jokester was actually CORRECT.

Buying gold and/or silver is not "investing."  It is SAVING.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:01 | 2773439 kito
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actually, if you are in the inflation camp, then its not investing or saving, its preserving.......................

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:26 | 2773480 nope-1004
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With theft all around, like MF Global, PFG, and soon Margin Stanley, I could give a rip about inflation.  Theft is the new norm.


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:30 | 2773508 kito
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you really believe the rumor  that gatas guy murphy has a friend who has a father that knows ms seniors who are preparing for their demise?.......

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 23:18 | 2773875 CompassionateFascist
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I've got some silver stashed at MSSB. The local office is like a tomb. Am watching the situation closely.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 13:12 | 2774778 FEDbuster
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Are you nuts?  Buy a good gun safe (heavy, large and a good door) bring your silver home.  Buy some guns and ammo, too.  One pistol and battle rifle for each family member over the age of 10.  Pay for some training, then practice, practice.....  Load up on ammo, too.  It continues to go up in price, you can never have too much and it is a great barter item post collapse.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:29 | 2773504 mendolover
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Yeah that's why JPM and GS just announced their forecast for $1800 gold by the end of the year.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:23 | 2773597 A Lunatic
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Consider the source(s)......

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:44 | 2773531 Glasnost
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If your return from holding barbaric stacks of 'shiny metal' is higher relative to just holding onto greenbacks and reaping the losses (perhaps you consider them profits?) they experience with inflation, then yes, it's investing.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 23:15 | 2773873 blunderdog
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Nah.  You're not building anything that'll pay off later.  Gold/silver just sit there.

If it's "money," it's not an investment.  If you're a trader, at best it could be called speculation.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:02 | 2773563 Papasmurf
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The book The Battle For Investment Survival by G M Loeb, copyright 1957, in the introduction, describes investing as:

Storing present purchasing power for use in the future is investing, no matter in what form it's put away.  Some popular and common forms included money itself, government bonds, savings bank deposits, real estate, commodities, securities of all types, diamonds and where and when it's legal, gold.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:21 | 2773594 dougngen
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You mean Krugman???Lol!!!

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:39 | 2773627 Rome is burining
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Sat, 09/08/2012 - 01:00 | 2773974 e_goldstein
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Please reseach the definition of "irony."

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:24 | 2773809 Mike7.62
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Seriously? After Sentinal, MFG, PFG Best, the 7th Circuit CoA decision? Are you stupid, or did you just forget the "sarc" after your comment? I'm hoping the latter, 'cause if not, you're most def in the wrong place.

IRT precious metals, I have two words for you, counterparty risk. They have none, and in this rehypothecated world where all markets are manipulated FBO of banksters and their cronies, and your "assets" have been adjudicated as not your own, only a fool "invests". Besides, those metals that you denigrate have outperformed all equities and bonds for 12 years running, and are likely to do so again.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:35 | 2773826 nyquil762
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Oh, I see, investing is letting "accomplished investment professionals" steal your hard earned money.


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 23:39 | 2773887 californiagirl
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Million-Dollar-Bonus, your comment must be sarcasm or an intentional attempt to piss off ZH readers. It is actually too stupid to come from someone who reads this blog and is being serious.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 00:41 | 2773946 ClassicalLib17
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  Hey,hey,  MDB's back at the keyboard!  Who's been writing that crap in your name the last several weeks? 

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:16 | 2774527 Virginian
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That's the funniest thing I've heard all morning - thank you!  Well crafted sarcasm is always appreciated at ZH....

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 21:23 | 2775409 SovereignSilver
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Anyone who read's MBD's posts, please ignore. He/she has it all wrong and current events are proving that. In fact I would say his/her advice is downright dangerous. As we saw over the past few years and now again this past few weeks, those that have transfered their wealth to precious metals have managed to maintain there purchasing power. The value truely is holding up and I believe there is much more room to grow.

The writing is on the wall MBD. Your current strategey is a bad one in my opinion. 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:05 | 2773295 Muddy1
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The dumb might be able to read, but can they comprehend?  NO  Spell? NO

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:51 | 2773262 Freddie
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I would like a DSA STG58 myself.  They stopped selling them. They SA 58's start at $1700 now.

I would not advertise sh*t on t-shirts at this point. 

The less people know - the better.  I lost all my guns, gold, ammo, beans, and MREs in a boating accident. 

I cry everynight but when the SHTF - I have a Gun Free Zone sign for my lawn and an Oba-m-a the Mu*lim 2008 sign too.   They should protect me.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:57 | 2773272 HelluvaEngineer
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Sorry, you completely misunderstand.  My ADT system protects me and my family.  Criminals are terrified of the sign at the mailbox.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:01 | 2773280 Freddie
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Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:25 | 2773813 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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I put up signs surrounding my land so people know it belongs to me.


Sat, 09/08/2012 - 17:21 | 2775147 Clashfan
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Land Mines?  think about it ;)

Sorry, I teach English to "non-traditional" students

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:37 | 2773829 nyquil762
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My police department protects me. Remember, "when seconds count, the police are minutes away"!

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:07 | 2773560 The Navigator
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One thing I find harder and harder to do but is equally as important as the Obama sign in the front yards is, don't forget the sheeple dialect.....baaaaa, baaaaa, O baaaaaa ma, and the govt is everything good.

The one good thing the MillionDollarBoner brings to ZH is he gives daily language lessons in the Sheeple dialect.

BTW Freddie, thanks for all your previous posts with great info on arms & ammo, much appreciated.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 06:06 | 2774155 ZaphodBeeblebrox
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Got it instantly. And I'm not even of that ilk (i.e. gun owner or aficianado). Ok. Done patting myself on the back. 

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:04 | 2774493 DosZap
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I've already have a "Got FAL?" shirt. Does that count?

For most Americans, unfortunately, the answer is no.

95% of Americans haven't a clue what a FAL is.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:05 | 2773254 TN Jed
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Got boomstick?

Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:09 | 2773308 Muddy1
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Not a good signature line, especially for a T shirt.  You're advertizing instead of being discreet.  Fly under the radar, OPSEC.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:00 | 2773437 Michael
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There's no time left to be discreet. My idea is similar to the V for vendetta mask, only you don't need to hide behind a mask in America.

This is my response to the 1.4 billion hollow point bullet purchase by the federal government to be used domestically.

If someone ask if you own a gun and you don't know them, just tell them, that's none of your business.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:25 | 2773602 A Lunatic
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Here's my T-shirt idea:


Front.......Got give a Fuck??

Back.......Didn't think so.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:42 | 2773630 Rome is burining
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If someone asks if you have a guy, I tell them "I might" with a straight face and look them dead in the eye.  It's their call from there.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 21:22 | 2773704 Michael
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Whatever works for you is good.

To be pleasant I might say;

I don't give out that kind of personal information.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:35 | 2774575 Overfed
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I just say "nope". ;-)

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 02:17 | 2774023 EconoIdiot
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I hope you do not live in the homeless camp at the bottom of fourth and main because we have a strict firearms policy.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:38 | 2773226 diogeneslaertius
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that is the bottom line

reigniting a renaissance of Actual Values as opposed to Madison Avenue values

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:41 | 2773234 Freddie
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Wait til things start falling apart and the free food stamp food starts getting scarce.  The liberals will be easy picking by the gangs.  Hopey & Changey.  They voted for this.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:52 | 2773264 bobnoxy
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No, the liberals have brains and will have left for better places. And good luck shooting it out with those gangs when they find out you're stashing all that food! A regular bunch of John Waynes. Just like in the movies.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:07 | 2773276 Freddie
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liberals have brains and will have left for better places.

Typical liberal mentality.  Turn good places to absolute shit then flee to leave the average working slobs to deal with the shit the libs created.   Sounds like California, NY, NJ and Mass where they flee to AZ, ID, CO, UT, NM, FL, SC, NC, NH after they have wrecked CA,NY, NJ and MA.  Then they will wreck the new places.  Liberals are like locust or some cancerous scum.

The average liberal will not have the money, time or brains to bug out.  A few will.  The rest will be easy pickings in gated communites and in co-ops and condos.  The one rent-a-cop at the gate will be long gone along with the other cops.  Don't expect the cops, National Guard or military because they will be protecting their families and themselves.

Good luck f-tard. 

Actually in the movies - John Wayne kicks ass.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:23 | 2773490 mendolover
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Greetings Freddie -

You forgot CT.  We're pretty fucked up in here with our pandering gov traveling around campaigning for the man in lieu of a POTUS on our dime no less.  We have lots of people who are 'awake' but are still vastly out numbered by people on the dole and mind numbed robots.


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 21:03 | 2773672 FEDbuster
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Between the damned Mexicans and Kalifornians, we are getting over run here in AZ.  I am even seeing some Obama bumper stickers around here!  WTF?  At least we have more gun stores around here than Starbucks, but these libtards are like cockroaches. 

Michael you need to start open carrying (if you are allowed to) that drives the libtards nuts.  They can't stand to see armed citizens.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:30 | 2774558 DosZap
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Yor state is like Colorado, you are being CALIFORNICATED.

They leave because they hate what is happening, only to spread the disease.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 15:57 | 2775057 BooMushroom
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They have no idea that their bad ideas have bad results. If thy did, they wouldn't be liberals.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:45 | 2773532 10mm
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My response to the Lib in need."I want your boots,your cloths and your motorcycle".Actually,your gold,silver,booze,food and,naaa,not going there.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:50 | 2773654 FreedomGuy
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You nailed it Freddie. The liberals fleeing or improving their lives move to other states. They infect those states and then run them into the ground with their elitist collectivist BS. They usually start around a college town in a tony area and then move outward. They are like locusts that consume and destroy and move on or a virus that kills the host and has to move on.

The thing they fear most ar people who think for themselves and canot be cowed.

Personally I would be willing to give them half the states and let them do all their bleeding' heart statist stuff with no resistance from ignorant conservatives and libertarians. The rest of us will voluntarily live in the other states with no social programs or redistribution. Everyone has to swear an oath against taking any of your neighbors stuff, even through government. All liberal locusts who who try to cross the borders will be turned back to make their own ideas work.

Let's see both sets of states in 20 years.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 21:31 | 2773721 Calmyourself
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If they take the time to peel off the co-exist sticker they die in place from rampaging gangs if they don't the destination might not be that friendly..

Better start peelin' bitchez, as I'm all out of bubble gum..

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 20:30 | 2775367 DanDaley
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Whenever I see a COEXIST symbol I always wish I could see the surprise on the face of the libtard when the mohammedans come to enslave them...the females anyway.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 12:42 | 2776258 cheetahbaby
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Yeah, COEXIST as long as you agree to think globally, act locally, commit random acts of kindness, let your karma run over your dogma and never gut deer.


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:15 | 2773763 Tristan Ludlow
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I am of the same opinion.  I thought about it and started to think that liberals are like locusts just recently.  I keep thinking about the movie 4th of July.  The liberals are the invading hoard.  We just need to figure out how to get rid of them. They want what you have and they want you to be fair.  You just need to give it to them.  If you don't they will turn you in to the TSA. 

You are also right about protecting my family.  Family first. The others can fend for themselves.  I have spent too many years protecting others while my family suffered.  No more. 

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 10:27 | 2774415 bobnoxy
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Congratulations! You get the Sarah Palin dumb shit award! And you so rightly deserve it too.

If you had any brains at all you'd know damn well that it's you conservatives that are sucking us liberals dry, and if you don't shut the fuck up about it, we'll give you what you want and cut you off!

Lucky for you, liberals have mercy on stupid people like conservatives and put those welfare programs in place that you're all so damned fat from.

Obesity rates are higher among the poor, and stupid people make up more of the poor, and conservatives make up more of the stupid people, documented fact. So there you go.

I hope your fourth grade reading skills can understand that, but I doubt it.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:47 | 2774596 shovelhead
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The Daily Kos must be shut down again from sewerage overload. Bobs over here trying to 'redistribute the wealth'.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 00:13 | 2777571 FreedomGuy
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Yeah, conservatives are so stupid! They hate people like Mao, Stalin, Castro and other socialists. They are so dumb they don't realize that all the smartest and best people are in government and know exactly how to run efficient solvent systems like Social Security, Medicare and Welfare. Conservatives buy about four times as many books as liberals but of course cannot read them. They are dumb enough to give more to charity instead of taxes. What morons!

You can't threaten these dumb hicks because they won't give up their guns, stop worshiping invisible beings and focus on the latest political leader. I bet if you gave them little red books to read these hicks would burn them instead. We should put them in denim, give them bicycles and have them work on collectives somewhere.

Good thing liberals don't hate conservatives and feed them and guide their lives like dumb zoo animals. Need to cut back the feed if they are overweight. They might starting getting as fat as the average welfare recipient. 

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 15:56 | 2775055 cheetahbaby
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Geography, cultural or otherwise does matter. Cross the river. VT, not NH. 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:25 | 2773343 SilverNoob
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You fuckin' trippin' bro? Liberals have brains?

Liberals will be the first motherfuckers to go down. They will be FUCKING EATEN by the predators. Literally eaten. 

Besides, most zombie hoards don't stand a chance in hell against an organized prepper community. It would take a small sized army for them to be overrun.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:13 | 2773463 kito
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actually silvernoob, "liberals" and "conservatives" that are too busy serving the interests of their partisan masters,  worrying about obamas birth certificate and romneys tax returns....failing to recognize the real problem.....unable to see the country is on the verge of collapse.................................they are the ones most vulnerable......and that comprises just about if you are too busy focusing on the "liberals"and their brains, just as your partisan masters want, you too will be eaten...................those of us who recognize that both sides of the aisle have brought us to this point........those of us not focused on bread and circuses.........those of us able to step outside the partisan paradigm..... have already won half the battle................................WAKE THE FUCK UP SILVERNOOB.....for your edification........

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:47 | 2773541 Freddie
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Dude - we are talking people not parties.   Liberals do want the govt to take care of them and give them more free shit.  This mentaility by PEOPLE not parties bankrupted the country along with the banksters, Fed, et al.    I don't watch TV or Hollywood's shit because it is for mindless ftards probably like you.

No conservatives or libertarians are expecting Bohner, Romney or Ryan or any of these people to save us.  Ron paul was probably the last chance.    We are way past that now.  The libs and unions keep wanting to bleed productive people by essentially holding a gun to our heads with corrupt laws.  They take at every turn and every tax for bigger govt.  

Don't tell me red team blue team shit.  These lib MF'ers are evil parasites.  They love Choomwagon Islamo Kenyan.  They want to take take take from the avg working person - particularly the govt union workers who are ALL lib.  

Well the game is almost up so get ready.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:05 | 2773569 kito
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the words conservative and liberal have been hijacked and used as a rallying cry for the sheeple............and BOTH groups of people are controlled by progressives who control both major parties.....progressives who continue to divide and conquer......making sure that mindless sheep on each side blame the other.....its the liberals its the conservatives fault............and while this goes on....the masters continue to fleece the people.....the progressives are the ones who want big government to merge with corporatism......and these progressives continue to feed propaganda to each side to make sure the libs and conservs are too busy blaming each other...and those in the liberty movement, like the author of this article,  those who arent busy blaming liberals, or conservatives.........those are the ones that are already prepared.....remember that parties are made up of people.........youre so amazingly clueless, focusing on obamas nationality while the progressives who control you are taking the last bits and pieces of this country.........keep up the rallly cry freddie........just like a good conservative does......mehhhhhh goes freddie..............mehhhhhh.........................

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 17:31 | 2775168 Clashfan
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+1 Kito

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 10:29 | 2774420 bobnoxy
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Stupid fuck. Highly educated people are more likely to be working, and dumb shits with no education are most likely to be sucking off the better educated, employed people. And we know liberals are better educated and make more, so it's you parasites that are the real Socialist bottom feeders.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:32 | 2774559 monad
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The 'highly educated' people annually suck trillions out of the coffers, leaving IOUs, whereas it only takes about 70 billion to bait & placate the ignorant peons and get them to give away their - and our - rights. Since the programs to grow the poor vote are entirely arranged by the 'highly educated' libtards on the backs of the lesser wealth holding classes, and since I don't consider any soft major to be education worthy of preferred employment status - I've seen 'em and they aren't much, I wholly disagree with you.

If your claim could stand on its own you wouldn't require vast armies of lib bureaucrats and tens of thousands of laws, the 24/7 deluge of lib propaganda and State mandated HR policies to prop up your failed model. Parasite? You're going to miss me when I'm gone, buddy.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 17:30 | 2775164 Clashfan
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Ron Paul clung to the Repugnicunt party. See where that got him? He's also a 911 truth denier. Enough said.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 02:25 | 2774030 EconoIdiot
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I hope it don't change because the gangs protect me and my family,  and if we had to live in a real house and get real jobs we would not be as well off.  The tent life is the future of this country,  and after a couple of years you will realize we all should have been living this way all this time.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:26 | 2773496 LMAOLORI
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If prepping makes you crazy just call me Sybil

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 07:59 | 2774212 midtowng
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You can't make yourself and your family self-sufficient. That's where survivalists got it disasterously wrong. History is very, very clear on this point.

You need a community to be self-sufficient.

I fully support small communities becoming self-sufficient. In fact I fully support this article with that one HUGE exception.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:28 | 2773201 diogeneslaertius
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everybody eats when they come to My house

the more profound lesson i think is the one about core values - look at the US today, we are 180 degrees from the kind of strident, sovereign individualism the pioneers et al. represent, if i dress in camo and go to the range my neighbors will probably call the cops on me, it happened incrementally and by design


today you are labeled insane for being a boyscout - gee, funny how that meme got crystallized just before they put all of western civilization in a pressure cooker XD

no, ill just dress in the car like a white al-qaeda that i somehow magically morhped into after the origin myth of 911

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:39 | 2773229 Cui Bono
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I think you hit on something important here.... I think our great grandparents would hate just about everyone of us.... Incapable masses of fat stupid exhibitionists..... sigh...

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:58 | 2773273 Agent P
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A guy I work with took his truck into the shop last year because his heated seats stopped working.  When I picked him up, he looked at me and said, "You know, if my grandpa were here, he'd slap me for this." 


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:01 | 2773282 Gully Foyle
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Cui Bono

Fuck that shit! Our Great Grandparenst would love to live in the modern age.

Lot's of food without back breaking labor, you can live through a cold/flu and Breast Cancer. Leisure to read or sit with the family.

Goddamnit they would eat up the talkies.

The only people who think Great Grandaddy has it so good he would spit on modern people are those who fail to grasp what shitty lives they lived.

All the preppers can take a hike and build whatever fucking communes they want in the wilderness. But when they need a doctor for say a tumor they hightail it into the loving arms of momma USA.

Hypocrites one and all.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:20 | 2773309 Cui Bono
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Gully will you please work on reading comprehension just a little... I think you are right... our GGP's would enjoy the shit out of the modern age of convenience. They would NOT LIKE THE PEOPLE alive today....

BTW I didn't down arrow you...

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:30 | 2773358 unrulian
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Gully, you must be sad to hear Jersey Shore is being cancelled, how are you going to get off you fat ass and change the channel? this modern world sucks.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:40 | 2773386 El Tuco
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I was going to write a lengthy reply to that stupid fucking post you made but don't have the energy nor the desire to argue with an idiot.


So shut the fuck up you dumb shit.


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:49 | 2773411 HelluvaEngineer
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Fucking Christ, you're stupid.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:12 | 2773782 Tristan Ludlow
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Gully, you just die.  It is a part of life.  The value we have placed on trying to reach immortality is driving up medical costs everyday.  No one lives forever.  When you time comes, take it like a man.  I will not give up my liberty to be able to have the government control my health care.  Sure, it is nice and there are many prepper MDs and DOs that are part of the liberty loving lifestyle.  I would think the cites will not have any doctors and the prepper communities will be having their tumors treated. 


It is your choice. Be careful who you point your finger at and call hypocrite, there are 3 fingers pointed back at you.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 02:52 | 2774049 AnAnonymous
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Keep dreaming... The only doctor survivalists will get is that paramedic who could no longer take it at work.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 11:28 | 2775427 FEDbuster
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Living those shitty last 1-5 years in hospitals, nursing homes and assisted care homes is way overrated, too.  I can see why the self absorbed baby boomers are demanding the best treatment available, and let the cost be placed on the government credit card.  Let them lose their minds, their bowel control, bladder control, etc...  Keep them going despite the hundreds of thousands of dollars it will cost for each of them (but not out of their pockets).  Thankfully the current generation of medicare mooches will BK the system long before the boomers get to Depends age. 

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 09:20 | 2774319 bushwarcrime
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It takes a Pillage

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 12:59 | 2774761 tmosley
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>Implying people with cancer will survive Obamacare.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 14:25 | 2774907 DosZap
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Implying people with cancer will survive Obamacare.

Only if they can afford to travel overseas.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 16:53 | 2775117 Chaos_Theory
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I think you're applying some desire for the current world to collapse on the "preppers," when the closer reality is they look at the economic numbers and see no way it can go on and react to that potential by going off-grid, stocking supplies, etc.  There certainly may be some who want collapse, but I doubt the majority have a chubby waiting for it. 

Besides, if you really dislike them, you should be estatic they're going off-grid!

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 21:26 | 2773712 Henry Chinaski
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What is called crazy survivalism today was known as common sense a few generations ago.  Dig into your family history and you will find a long line of smart or lucky survivors.  People today live like house pets compared to nearly all of our grandparents and great grandparents.

They (GGPs) would be saddened to know that we have fucked it up so bad and are accelerating our reversion to the mean.  The mean is going to be mean, if you know what I mean.  Too bad common sense is an uncommon virtue.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:28 | 2773202 Cui Bono
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What Wonderful World the way Al sings it.....

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:32 | 2773211 diogeneslaertius
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one of the bands that shaped my youth, but i heard jourgensen on the alex jones show awhile back and he disappointed me with his lack of depth and understanding into the problems, he seemed to have a relatively surface grasp of things... but you know i think thats alright, he didnt need anymore to read the vectors and make excellent music that i probably dont give enough credit to in my own waking up


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:37 | 2773223 Cui Bono
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I know man..... let me talk to him for half an hour and we'll get this shit sorted out.....

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:39 | 2773230 diogeneslaertius
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haha yes! great point, you need the right interviewer to get someone in thier stride/the zone, i bet he has Many profound insights

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:29 | 2773205 diogeneslaertius
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what a great post

"Human beings hold within them a natural mechanism, a moral dynamo that compels them to alert others to the dangers they see silhouette on the horizon. "

yes, cooperation is the central mechanism, even among Actual Wolves ffs

we are so off the path

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:31 | 2773209 The Navigator
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#9: Survivalists have a rifle safe full of arms and ammo, enough for the whole neighborhood.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:35 | 2773213 diogeneslaertius
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i only have enough shells and sabot rounds for a small group of people

but consider all the red tape thrown up around ammo mfg, we should even teach bullet making in schools

we need to get back to our roots and the Swiss model, marksmanship should be a national pass time :D

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:50 | 2773260 The Navigator
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You might need a bigger (or more) safe(s).

Agree with the Swiss model, but the media now paints anyone with a rifle as a crazy - thus might be a tough sell.

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 09:22 | 2774323 bushwarcrime
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The Swiss model?  Where the cops hold your ammo?


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:56 | 2773269 HelluvaEngineer
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Shit.  Your ammo fits in your safe?

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:25 | 2773601 The Navigator
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Actually no. ammo is now just outside the safe in stacked boxes - between the arms and PMs, ammo was forced out.

Guess I need another safe too.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:28 | 2773500 rockraider3
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Are you suggesting arming your neighbors?  Or just stockpiling enough that you could arm your neighborhood, but with no plans to do that?



Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:30 | 2773612 The Navigator
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In plan 'd', when the zombies outnumber us, yes I'll give quick lessons on how to shoot, reload, and not shoot themselves or other neighbors.

But in plan 'a', 'b', & 'c' I won't be here.

I'm not sure how things will shake out - meantime, plan and prep and readjust plans, and get to know WHICH neighbors might be there in times of trouble.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:36 | 2773210 XitSam
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It is not the American Redoubt. Idaho, Montana, and eastern Washington and Oregon is the comma Rawles redoubt. Remember, you will only be accepted if you a God fearing Christian or Jew. And he doesn't want any Libertarians.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 21:26 | 2773714 ZeroAvatar
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Yep, sorry to say, Wesley,Rawles is 'Gawd Fearin'.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:16 | 2776585 XitSam
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I don't know why the junks unless junkers are afraid of the truth.  Comma Rawles declaring the American Redoubt has as much weight as Kool Aid being the official drink of Summer.  A couple corrections: he included Wyoming, and it is Orthodox and Messianic Jews he likes and dislikes athiestic Libertarians. Right there in black and white

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:33 | 2773212 HelluvaEngineer
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So my question is how do you make a living in Western Montana?

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:37 | 2773221 diogeneslaertius
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most of it wont end up reported to the IRS $$

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:42 | 2773238 HelluvaEngineer
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I'm in IT and even I wouldn't attempt that move.  Unless you're growing the Choom I don't get it.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 22:21 | 2773799's picture

They raise up crops of dental floss.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:15 | 2773321 Dr. Sandi
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So my question is how do you make a living in Western Montana?

Open a gun shop?

Sat, 09/08/2012 - 04:07 | 2774112 BigDuke6
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Laughter is the best medicine dr

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:36 | 2773216 diogeneslaertius
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i wouldnt count on preppers bailing ppl out, i would focus on organizing those skills and the people around you into a cohesive community of ppl that care about each other :)

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:11 | 2773313 cougar_w
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You know what, it's funny but I probably qualify as an A-1 100% survivalist, by most definitions. I have enough skills, mental toughness and speed to survive just about anything. But I still don't own a gun, haven't bought MREs, and don't hold precious metals. When the SHTF I plan on circling the wagons with my neighbors and together toughing it out, right in place.

Humans have survived as tribes and clans a lot better than we ever did as go-it-alone maverics raging at the wilderness.

Why anyone thinks anything more than guts, smarts and willingness are necessary I don't understand.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 18:50 | 2773415 AGuy
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"I still don't own a gun, haven't bought MREs, and don't hold precious metals. When the SHTF I plan on circling the wagons with my neighbors and together toughing it out, right in place."

Sounds like a well thought out plan! You wing it with the neighbors who also probably have about the same ego and zero preps. to boot. Circle the wagons? or did you mean Circle the SUV's? No point in doing that. Since you don't have anything of value its pointless to "circle the wagons". What the point of defending nothing? and what are you going to defend "nothing" with? some Steak knifes. Good Grief!


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:12 | 2773464 cougar_w
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All I get is confused when I try to understand some of this spew.

Back to reality for me.

Have fun, guys. Don't let the world kill you on the way to your distopian nirvana.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 20:36 | 2773622 The Navigator
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Thanks for the daily Sheeple dialect lesson.

With an umbrella, sounds like you're really prepared...... for a light rain.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 21:06 | 2773683 IrritableBowels
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Account hacked? WTF?

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