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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:19 | 1789272 trampstamp
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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:29 | 1789317 jdelano
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for a good laugh, take a look at the bot work in today's IBM chart.  the little engines that could.  

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:53 | 1789399 Harlequin001
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No shit Sherlock!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:11 | 1789457 DaBernank
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If I were a gold bug, ya da da da da da da da da da da da da da da....

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:42 | 1789836 AGuy
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Not really. I think you missed the point: Return to totalitarianism and another global war (WW III).


Billions will die, all because of one man's force of will on the global economy. To think that one silly man with coke bottle glass could bring total distruction of civilization: Greenspan!

 "Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

--Alan Greenspan 2004

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:52 | 1790278 I am more equal...
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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 22:00 | 1791209 Fish Gone Bad
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And that is exactly why democracies fail.  People are promised more and more until there just is no more ...

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 16:41 | 1794708 AldousHuxley
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US is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic which includes forms of oligarchy.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:52 | 1789608 fonestar
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I'm wondering what happened to silver and gold coins during the Weimar years?  My understanding is Germany switched to a cupro-nickel base coinage before WWI.  I am guessing the coins were hoarded and dissapeared quickly?  Did a seperate market evolve for transacting in silver coin?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:58 | 1789629 trembo slice
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I'm not certain of the concretes of the Weimar situation, but if they did switch to copper or nickel backed money... you can be sure that Gresham's Law came into play.

Gresham's Law simply states that an artificially overvalued money chases an artificially undervalued money out of circulation.  So I would assume any gold or silver backed coins disappeared rather quickly from circulation.  

If, like the US, Weimar had legal tender laws or their equivalent people may have used silver/gold in black market transactions.  While reserving "state sanctioned money" for use in a more public light. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:17 | 1789727 fonestar
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That is my understanding of many asian countries right now.  Spend the government paper and save in gold and silver bullion.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:34 | 1790046 dugorama
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Sanity was restored in 1924/1925 when gold backed paper appeared in circulation.  Then farmers would sell their crops and starvation began to recede.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:14 | 1790946 Snidley Whipsnae
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fonestar... Gold, silver, edible commodities (farmers inside Germany became very wealthy), inedible commodities, and stable foreign currencies like the dollar and pound maintained great purchasing power inside Germany during the Weimar hyper inflation event. Hitler and the Nazis held economics and materialism (except for themselves of course) in low esteem.

"Early in his political career, Adolf Hitler regarded economic issues as relatively unimportant. In 1922, Hitler proclaimed that "world history teaches us that no people has become great through its economy but that a people can very well perish thereby", and later concluded that "the economy is something of secondary importance".[4] Hitler and the Nazis held a very strong idealist conception of history, which held that human events are guided by small numbers of exceptional individuals following a higher ideal. They believed that all economic concerns, being purely material, were unworthy of their consideration. Hitler went as far as to blame all previous German governments since Bismarck of having "subjugated the nation to materialism" by relying more on peaceful economic development instead of expansion through war."

It cannot be stressed too much that hyper inflation is a loss of confidence in the currency and very unlike a 'normal' but stable rate of inflation that is usually below the interest rates paid on most investments.

It's impossible to reccommend Shirer's book, 'The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich', too highly. But, here is a bit of information about the lack of a solid, well supported (by Hitler) economic program in Nazi Germany, and the brilliance of Hjalmar Schacht, economics minister, of running very large deficits while completeing very large infrastructure projects at the same time war rearmament was in full swing...imo, Schacht was a bull shit artist extrodinaire and would put even Alan Greenspan in the shade.

"the spending rate of Hitler was far greater than the growth of the economy. In 1934 Hjalmar Schacht, the Reich Minister of Economics, introduced the Mefo bills, allowing Hitler to spend money on rearming without giving the big businesses money, therefore gradually getting Germany into more and more debt. Between 1933 and 1939, the total revenue was 62 billion marks whereas expenditure (at times made up to 60 % by rearmament costs) exceeded 101 billion, thus creating a huge deficit and national debt (reaching 38 billion mark in 1939)"



Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:18 | 1789481 caconhma
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"Hitler's National Socialism promised the world... and under such economic distress, people believed him."

Hitler has promises and delivered the Germany economic recovery. Germany got out its economic depression in less than 12 months.

Hitler was not a mad man. Granted, he was a brutal dictator. Napoleon Bonaparte has also lost the Napoleonic wars but nobody calls him a mad man.

And finally, the WWII has been imposed on Germany by FDR, the British Empire, and the Stalin's USSR the same way it took place with the WWI.

It is about time to start telling the truth instead of repeating the US/British/Israeli propaganda lies. The war crimes committed by NAZI during the WWII were not much worse than war crimes committed by Americans, British, and Soviets (deliberate bombing of German civilian population, slaughtering German POWs, using nuclear weapons against Japanese civilian population in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, American concentration camps for it own citizens, etc.,).

I do not even mention the slaughtering of Native American Indians or the black slavery under the American Constitution promising Equality, Freedom, and Democracy to all. After all, it is not a secret of the existence of US secret prisons all over world and wide-spread torture of prisoners.





Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:35 | 1789543 AnAnonymous
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All biologicalGermans...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:46 | 1789582 Panic Panic Panic
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I think somebody needs a hug.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1789589 Paul Bogdanich
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       Great book everyone should read it.  As to the post above had you read the book you would have not made the statements that you just did.  In particular your claim that, "The war crimes committed by NAZI during the WWII were not much worse than war crimes committed by Americans, British, and Soviets" is hogwash.  We captured their plans for what they were going to do once they occupied Britian.  It included deporting virtually all males over 17 years old to the East which was a euphamisim for extermination at the camps.  In Poland, Checkslovakia, Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine they systematically murdered all scholars, priests, community and civic leaders, artists, and anyone else they though could inspire independent thought amongst the non-german population who were slated to be slaves to German needs and to be exterminated once the German population became sufficient to take over the duties.  That type of systematic, targeted, annihilation was far different that anything done by the Western allies and even the Soviets murdered on the bais of geography not personality type. 

    As to the way we treated the American Indians we wee certainly as bad as the Germans but we don't discuss such things in America as we were victorious and they were not.    

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:29 | 1789777 DosZap
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A little more wood for your fire...............

The Jewish exterminations were horrible enough, we hear the 6 Million figure all our lives, but precious few know Hitlers regime  ALSO murdered over 10 Million Christians.

Hitler was an avowed believer in the Occult, and practiced it's rituals.It is widely believed he was even demon possessed.

Before we jump all over Truman's decision to bomb Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, we need to remember WE WARNED THEM prior to doing so.

The ego,narcissism of the Japanese military leaders, was SO pathetic, they even did not surrender until the second bomb  was dropped.

That  is one that did not have to be dropped, and but for their ego's cost them a city, and thousands more dead.

Anyone who  thinks Truman wanted to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents for the hell of it is loonie tunes,  he felt it would save lives on both sides unless it was done.

As was the mindset of the Japanese in those days, no heed was given.

The reason for the bombings, was ONLY to save an estimated half million  more America soldiers taking over the islands, to get to the mainland of Japan.And dragging out the war another at least 2 years.

Then after the surrender, WE go in and basically  rebuild Japan,sounds like some vicious murderers there huh?.

At the death camps in Germany,etc,Gen Eisenhower ordered NOT one thing be moved nor changed until film footage and newspaper reporters were on the scenes to SEE the carnage, and record it.

He KNEW that someday, someone would deny that it ever happened,so he was determined that proof of the atrocities were done.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:53 | 1789881 SPONGE
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The US could have bombed a sparsely populated area of the country or a nearby island with the same effect. Genocide is never justifiable.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:42 | 1790252 Hephasteus
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25 million Russian citizens died during world war II. Let's get over all this microcap sainthood. Those sons of bitches paid and paid hard. They also took the brunt of the swine flu outbreak before becoming so much chopped liver.

And the villianizing of the japanese is too much too. Are the japanese imperial yes. Are they monopolistic yes. But that was only a problem from being surrounded by imperial monopolistic regimes.

American banks funneled billions to germany to build schools and parks and gymnasiums. And trotted him out like a caged psycho whenever anyone told them no.  The entire hitler thing just stinks to high heaven of rewritten history. Rothchilds were basically centered at german branch, english branch and american branch. Amercias portrayal of isolationism and reluctant to enter world war II is about as accurate as calling the fucking shipping department of amazon isolationist.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:19 | 1790360 blunderdog
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No one ever said Americans were reluctant to make some money during WWII.  It was just business.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:42 | 1790835 mophead
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"Anyone who  thinks Truman wanted to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents for the hell of it is loonie tunes,  he felt it would save lives on both sides unless it was done."


All wars are planned. All "dictators" are bought and paid for. Winners and losers are decide years, even decades in advanced.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 21:50 | 1791175 Hephasteus
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It's a very simple model. Provide enough goods and services to the planned loser to make them think they have a chance and then dry up support after they've already declared war gone leroy jenkins.

Works every time as long as you don't count those sneaky vietnamese building tunnels everywhere and keeping you mired in a shit storm for years.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:51 | 1789604 theXman
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Hmm, what about annexation of Czechoslovakia and invasion of Poland? Were those also imposed by Great Britain and FDR?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:41 | 1790456 caconhma
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What about Vietnam and Libya just to name few?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:34 | 1790641 blunderdog
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Great Britain and FDR didn't invade either place.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:06 | 1790912 caconhma
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It is correct Great Britain and FDR didn't invade Czechoslovakia or Poland.  But do you know

The sequence of events following the Munich Agreement (From Wikipedia):

1. Germany occupies the Sudetenland (October 1938).
2. Poland annexes Zaolzie, an area with a Polish majority (October 1938).
3. Hungary occupies border areas (southern third of Slovakia and southern Carpathian Ruthenia) with Hungarian minorities in accordance with the First Vienna Award (November 1938).
4. In March 1939, Hungary annexes Carpathian Ruthenia (which had been autonomous since October 1938).
5. The remaining Czech territories become the German satellite Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.
6. The remainder of Czechoslovakia becomes Slovakia, another German satellite.


Looks like Poland was not a very peaceful country. Furthermore, in 1939 Poland was planning to invade Germany under a secret agreement with England and France. No wonder British do not intend to declassify their archives for at least 100 years after the end of the WWII.


The bottom line: Under the unjust Treaty of Versailles, following the WWI, Germany was raped. This could not go forever. Germany was fully justified to return back their land stolen from them by England, France, Czechoslovakia or Poland.


So, stop blaming Nazi Germany for all possible crimes. Just look at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials.  It was disgusting travesty of justice. Nazis were convicted among other with slaughtering of Polish officers in 1942. Now, we know and Soviets admitted that Polish POWs were slaughtered by the Soviet secret police.


Unfortunately, only recently, the truth about the WWII started to come out. In many EU countries, even a request to investigate certain Nazi crimes can land someone in a jail. So much for freedom in the “free & democratic” Europe.  Oh well, most of Americans think there are no reasons to investigate the 9/11 completely putting our trust into hands of the Bush and Obama administrations.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:43 | 1791016 blunderdog
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Eh?  I thought you'd asked about Vietnam and Libya.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:52 | 1789609 Roy Bush
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The Jewish population forced the Germans hands into WW2.

Germany would have gone broke with a boycott on all their exports and imports.  

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:55 | 1789614 tmosley
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Hitler "revived" their economy via pure ponzi.  It would have collapsed within a decade if left alone.

WWII was not imposed on Germany.  They made the first move.  And the second, and the third.  It was an obvious and clear signal that they were planning on taking the Roman rout and stealing all the capital from surrounding nations to fuel their economy.  Such strategies inevitably lead to collapse, especially in the ultra-centralized Third Reich (where the Romans only real expenses were payments to soldiers, welfare for citizens, and monument/infrastructure building--ie not much in the way of control over the menas of production or the lives of freemen).

Black slavery is indeed a terribly dark mark on American history, but the slaughter of the Natives was instigated by the Natives themselves.  They failed to recognize the rights of setlers, specifically, their right to their lives and their property, and took both from them.  Had they recognized such rights, they would have integrated into the culture as the Aztecs and Maya did, only moreso, as the English and American settlers weren't nearly as brutish as the Spanish were.

And of course, today the government is absolutely out of control.  But our bad government and insane policies doesn't excuse Hitler's worse government and "insaner" policies.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:09 | 1789690 Vergeltung
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wrong on Hitler, correct re USA/Native Americans. so, I neither green'd or red'd ya.  ;-)


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:20 | 1790203 LasVegasDave
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Of course, what should not be lost in this discussion is that once Hitler conquered France and the low countries he had access to their printing presses and did a fine imitation of Ben Bernanke.

Pretty easy to keep the Reich going when you can print Francs, Guilders and DMs.

Just sayin.....

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:35 | 1790640 SilverDOG
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Nice Rockefeller history lesson, you moron.


Gulf of Tonkin


USS Maine

New World free land

Aztec/Mayan disease extermination & integration 

Put your coloring book away, 'tard.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:46 | 1790853 mophead
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"but the slaughter of the Natives was instigated by the Natives themselves."

haha! They did it to themselves! Good one! ASS.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:07 | 1789680 Vergeltung
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well said caconhma

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:15 | 1789716 Monedas
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When Socialists, like Hitler, really want to get their economies moving (for other nefarious purposes).....they resort to lower taxes and sound money ! Obammy doesn't want an economic recovery....he wants to destroy Capitalism ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Welt Reise

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:37 | 1789349 SilverRhino
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Indeed.  Outstanding.

Confidence languishes for months, even years... until one day the currency begins to slide, slowly at first, then exponentially.

Won't happen that way this time.  The velocity of money is MUCH faster.   With electronic funds and banking / investment at processor speeds and transmission at light speed, the collapse will happen in days;  the electronic monetary collapse will happen in hours


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:43 | 1789366 jdelano
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Something brewing.  VIX sneaking up and up.  Either it's about to pop or the market is.  Think maybe there's a script flip in the works today--afternoon NEGATIVE rumor?  

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:47 | 1789377 trav7777
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Hitler promised and delivered.

The hyperinflation was very good to a particular group of people who used it and their connections in banking to come out the other side owning 100% of the country.  Even after years of Hitler's divestitute of their ownership back to Germans, they still held a third of Germany.

People look at Hitler as some kind of monstrous phenomenon, but WTF alternative was there?  An antagonistic group had just destroyed Germany and taken ownership of the country.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:00 | 1789423 chumbawamba
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Well, he didn't have to be such a dick.  I blame it on the meth.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:08 | 1789449 Abiotic Oil
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It is true that the Nazis invented amphetamines to keep going in battle.  I'm sure Hitler was constantly involved in testing "for purity".

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:18 | 1789483 blunderdog
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It is true that the Nazis invented amphetamines to keep going in battle.

No it isn't.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:32 | 1789792 AldousHuxley
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Nazis were the original "shovel-ready" stimulous project makers.


The idea for the construction of the autobahn was first conceived during the days of the Weimar Republic, but apart from the AVUS in Berlin, construction was slow, and most projected sections did not progress much beyond the planning stage due to economic problems and a lack of political support.

Just days after the 1933 Nazi takeover, Adolf Hitler enthusiastically embraced an ambitious autobahn construction project and appointed Fritz Todt the Inspector General of German Road Construction. Soon, over 100,000 labourers worked at construction sites all over Germany. As well as providing employment and improved infrastructure, necessary for economic recovery efforts, the project was also a great success for propaganda purposes.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 02:19 | 1791707 Freddie
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Obama's shovel ready jobs are money looted from the treasury going to his cronies.  No shovels are ever lifted.  At least hitler built something versus hiring more govt workers and doling out money to Solyndra con men.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:58 | 1789903 SPONGE
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I think you're thinking of methadone

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:05 | 1789929 blunderdog
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But get serious: ice cream has no bones.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:06 | 1789444 Bob
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Very white of you to defend Hitler, trav, but I believe the "monstrous" epithet attached to poor Adolf is the product of his genocide and, perhaps even more so, his methods thereof. 

Sure, you could say he was merely the Henry Ford of murderous tyranny, but somehow that doesn't quite capture the full reality of the matter.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:14 | 1789467 buyingsterling
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Reducto ad Hitlerum

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:18 | 1789480 aerojet
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Even before the genocide, the Brownshirts were despicable thugs.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:13 | 1789702 Vergeltung
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Die Fahne Hoch!


No way Aero. they were battling it out in the streets against the reds. and won.

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