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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Black

How's This For Social Unrest?

In his seminal work The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William Shirer recounts how the struggling Weimar Republic printed its way out of reparation debt from World War I. Out-of-control printing caused the German mark to fall from 75 per dollar in 1921, to more than 4 billion just 3-years later.

Talk about chaos. After a brief period of credit-fueled economic respite, the onset of the global depression in 1929 had people in the streets clamoring for change. Hitler's National Socialism promised the world... and under such economic distress, people believed him.

There are two important lessons here. First is that hyperinflation comes very quickly. Confidence languishes for months, even years... until one day the currency begins to slide, slowly at first, then exponentially.

The second is what followed. Economic disaster begets social unrest, the two are inextricably linked. Populist rebellions and roving gangs became a constant presence in the republic.

It's at this point, when people are really hurting, they're the most impressionable. They're looking for somebody, anybody, to lead them out of the turmoil. What they got was a charismatic leader with a grand plan.

Here in Cambodia, a similar story unfolded in the 1970s.

Years of constant American B-52 bombing campaigns during the Vietnam War took its toll on the country. Over 500,000 tons of bombs were dropped on Cambodia during the war.  By the time the last US forces withdrew from Vietnam in 1975, nearly three-quarters of Cambodia's agrarian economy was destroyed. 

Malnourishment and starvation were rampant, and Cambodians were ready to follow anyone with a plan.

Pol Pot's agrarian socialism struck a chord. After years of civil war, Cambodia's economic ruin opened the door for his communist forces to take over the country.

Just like Germany in 1930, economic hardship swayed just enough people to allow a criminal madman's rise to power. Neither case required a popular majority, but merely a critical mass of vocal activists. The rest of the country either fell in line or was exterminated.

Under both regimes, people never got what they expected. Pol Pot waged mass genocide on his own people, murdering as much as a third of Cambodia's population. Teachers, doctors, students, artists... anyone who could possibly pose a threat was neutralized.

I've had the opportunity to learn first hand about many of these cases during my times here. And not far from Phnom Penh, the infamous killing fields are still littered with human remains. 

History is full of examples of governments taking draconian action in times of economic-fueled social turmoil. Faced with terrible circumstances, people cry out for their governments to 'do something'. Politicians happily oblige.

It's concerning right now to see the early stages of economic decline spawning populist uprisings; most are being met with unconscionable force by the police state.

Mark Twain used to say that while history may not repeat itself, it certainly rhymes. I'd encourage you to think clearly about what's really happening in the world, and not simply write off such events as temporary aberrations.

Let me be even more clear: it's not crazy to have a plan. You're not a lunatic for considering your international options. In a world fraught with so much uncertainty, it's the only sane choice.


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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:19 | 1789272 trampstamp
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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:29 | 1789317 jdelano
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for a good laugh, take a look at the bot work in today's IBM chart.  the little engines that could.  

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:53 | 1789399 Harlequin001
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No shit Sherlock!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:11 | 1789457 DaBernank
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If I were a gold bug, ya da da da da da da da da da da da da da da....

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:42 | 1789836 AGuy
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Not really. I think you missed the point: Return to totalitarianism and another global war (WW III).


Billions will die, all because of one man's force of will on the global economy. To think that one silly man with coke bottle glass could bring total distruction of civilization: Greenspan!

 "Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

--Alan Greenspan 2004

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:52 | 1790278 I am more equal...
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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 22:00 | 1791209 Fish Gone Bad
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And that is exactly why democracies fail.  People are promised more and more until there just is no more ...

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 16:41 | 1794708 AldousHuxley
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US is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic which includes forms of oligarchy.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:52 | 1789608 fonestar
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I'm wondering what happened to silver and gold coins during the Weimar years?  My understanding is Germany switched to a cupro-nickel base coinage before WWI.  I am guessing the coins were hoarded and dissapeared quickly?  Did a seperate market evolve for transacting in silver coin?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:58 | 1789629 trembo slice
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I'm not certain of the concretes of the Weimar situation, but if they did switch to copper or nickel backed money... you can be sure that Gresham's Law came into play.

Gresham's Law simply states that an artificially overvalued money chases an artificially undervalued money out of circulation.  So I would assume any gold or silver backed coins disappeared rather quickly from circulation.  

If, like the US, Weimar had legal tender laws or their equivalent people may have used silver/gold in black market transactions.  While reserving "state sanctioned money" for use in a more public light. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:17 | 1789727 fonestar
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That is my understanding of many asian countries right now.  Spend the government paper and save in gold and silver bullion.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:34 | 1790046 dugorama
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Sanity was restored in 1924/1925 when gold backed paper appeared in circulation.  Then farmers would sell their crops and starvation began to recede.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:14 | 1790946 Snidley Whipsnae
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fonestar... Gold, silver, edible commodities (farmers inside Germany became very wealthy), inedible commodities, and stable foreign currencies like the dollar and pound maintained great purchasing power inside Germany during the Weimar hyper inflation event. Hitler and the Nazis held economics and materialism (except for themselves of course) in low esteem.

"Early in his political career, Adolf Hitler regarded economic issues as relatively unimportant. In 1922, Hitler proclaimed that "world history teaches us that no people has become great through its economy but that a people can very well perish thereby", and later concluded that "the economy is something of secondary importance".[4] Hitler and the Nazis held a very strong idealist conception of history, which held that human events are guided by small numbers of exceptional individuals following a higher ideal. They believed that all economic concerns, being purely material, were unworthy of their consideration. Hitler went as far as to blame all previous German governments since Bismarck of having "subjugated the nation to materialism" by relying more on peaceful economic development instead of expansion through war."

It cannot be stressed too much that hyper inflation is a loss of confidence in the currency and very unlike a 'normal' but stable rate of inflation that is usually below the interest rates paid on most investments.

It's impossible to reccommend Shirer's book, 'The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich', too highly. But, here is a bit of information about the lack of a solid, well supported (by Hitler) economic program in Nazi Germany, and the brilliance of Hjalmar Schacht, economics minister, of running very large deficits while completeing very large infrastructure projects at the same time war rearmament was in full swing...imo, Schacht was a bull shit artist extrodinaire and would put even Alan Greenspan in the shade.

"the spending rate of Hitler was far greater than the growth of the economy. In 1934 Hjalmar Schacht, the Reich Minister of Economics, introduced the Mefo bills, allowing Hitler to spend money on rearming without giving the big businesses money, therefore gradually getting Germany into more and more debt. Between 1933 and 1939, the total revenue was 62 billion marks whereas expenditure (at times made up to 60 % by rearmament costs) exceeded 101 billion, thus creating a huge deficit and national debt (reaching 38 billion mark in 1939)"



Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:18 | 1789481 caconhma
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"Hitler's National Socialism promised the world... and under such economic distress, people believed him."

Hitler has promises and delivered the Germany economic recovery. Germany got out its economic depression in less than 12 months.

Hitler was not a mad man. Granted, he was a brutal dictator. Napoleon Bonaparte has also lost the Napoleonic wars but nobody calls him a mad man.

And finally, the WWII has been imposed on Germany by FDR, the British Empire, and the Stalin's USSR the same way it took place with the WWI.

It is about time to start telling the truth instead of repeating the US/British/Israeli propaganda lies. The war crimes committed by NAZI during the WWII were not much worse than war crimes committed by Americans, British, and Soviets (deliberate bombing of German civilian population, slaughtering German POWs, using nuclear weapons against Japanese civilian population in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, American concentration camps for it own citizens, etc.,).

I do not even mention the slaughtering of Native American Indians or the black slavery under the American Constitution promising Equality, Freedom, and Democracy to all. After all, it is not a secret of the existence of US secret prisons all over world and wide-spread torture of prisoners.





Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:35 | 1789543 AnAnonymous
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All biologicalGermans...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:46 | 1789582 Panic Panic Panic
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I think somebody needs a hug.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1789589 Paul Bogdanich
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       Great book everyone should read it.  As to the post above had you read the book you would have not made the statements that you just did.  In particular your claim that, "The war crimes committed by NAZI during the WWII were not much worse than war crimes committed by Americans, British, and Soviets" is hogwash.  We captured their plans for what they were going to do once they occupied Britian.  It included deporting virtually all males over 17 years old to the East which was a euphamisim for extermination at the camps.  In Poland, Checkslovakia, Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine they systematically murdered all scholars, priests, community and civic leaders, artists, and anyone else they though could inspire independent thought amongst the non-german population who were slated to be slaves to German needs and to be exterminated once the German population became sufficient to take over the duties.  That type of systematic, targeted, annihilation was far different that anything done by the Western allies and even the Soviets murdered on the bais of geography not personality type. 

    As to the way we treated the American Indians we wee certainly as bad as the Germans but we don't discuss such things in America as we were victorious and they were not.    

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:29 | 1789777 DosZap
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A little more wood for your fire...............

The Jewish exterminations were horrible enough, we hear the 6 Million figure all our lives, but precious few know Hitlers regime  ALSO murdered over 10 Million Christians.

Hitler was an avowed believer in the Occult, and practiced it's rituals.It is widely believed he was even demon possessed.

Before we jump all over Truman's decision to bomb Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, we need to remember WE WARNED THEM prior to doing so.

The ego,narcissism of the Japanese military leaders, was SO pathetic, they even did not surrender until the second bomb  was dropped.

That  is one that did not have to be dropped, and but for their ego's cost them a city, and thousands more dead.

Anyone who  thinks Truman wanted to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents for the hell of it is loonie tunes,  he felt it would save lives on both sides unless it was done.

As was the mindset of the Japanese in those days, no heed was given.

The reason for the bombings, was ONLY to save an estimated half million  more America soldiers taking over the islands, to get to the mainland of Japan.And dragging out the war another at least 2 years.

Then after the surrender, WE go in and basically  rebuild Japan,sounds like some vicious murderers there huh?.

At the death camps in Germany,etc,Gen Eisenhower ordered NOT one thing be moved nor changed until film footage and newspaper reporters were on the scenes to SEE the carnage, and record it.

He KNEW that someday, someone would deny that it ever happened,so he was determined that proof of the atrocities were done.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:53 | 1789881 SPONGE
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The US could have bombed a sparsely populated area of the country or a nearby island with the same effect. Genocide is never justifiable.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:42 | 1790252 Hephasteus
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25 million Russian citizens died during world war II. Let's get over all this microcap sainthood. Those sons of bitches paid and paid hard. They also took the brunt of the swine flu outbreak before becoming so much chopped liver.

And the villianizing of the japanese is too much too. Are the japanese imperial yes. Are they monopolistic yes. But that was only a problem from being surrounded by imperial monopolistic regimes.

American banks funneled billions to germany to build schools and parks and gymnasiums. And trotted him out like a caged psycho whenever anyone told them no.  The entire hitler thing just stinks to high heaven of rewritten history. Rothchilds were basically centered at german branch, english branch and american branch. Amercias portrayal of isolationism and reluctant to enter world war II is about as accurate as calling the fucking shipping department of amazon isolationist.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:19 | 1790360 blunderdog
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No one ever said Americans were reluctant to make some money during WWII.  It was just business.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:42 | 1790835 mophead
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"Anyone who  thinks Truman wanted to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents for the hell of it is loonie tunes,  he felt it would save lives on both sides unless it was done."


All wars are planned. All "dictators" are bought and paid for. Winners and losers are decide years, even decades in advanced.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 21:50 | 1791175 Hephasteus
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It's a very simple model. Provide enough goods and services to the planned loser to make them think they have a chance and then dry up support after they've already declared war gone leroy jenkins.

Works every time as long as you don't count those sneaky vietnamese building tunnels everywhere and keeping you mired in a shit storm for years.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:51 | 1789604 theXman
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Hmm, what about annexation of Czechoslovakia and invasion of Poland? Were those also imposed by Great Britain and FDR?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:41 | 1790456 caconhma
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What about Vietnam and Libya just to name few?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:34 | 1790641 blunderdog
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Great Britain and FDR didn't invade either place.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:06 | 1790912 caconhma
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It is correct Great Britain and FDR didn't invade Czechoslovakia or Poland.  But do you know

The sequence of events following the Munich Agreement (From Wikipedia):

1. Germany occupies the Sudetenland (October 1938).
2. Poland annexes Zaolzie, an area with a Polish majority (October 1938).
3. Hungary occupies border areas (southern third of Slovakia and southern Carpathian Ruthenia) with Hungarian minorities in accordance with the First Vienna Award (November 1938).
4. In March 1939, Hungary annexes Carpathian Ruthenia (which had been autonomous since October 1938).
5. The remaining Czech territories become the German satellite Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.
6. The remainder of Czechoslovakia becomes Slovakia, another German satellite.


Looks like Poland was not a very peaceful country. Furthermore, in 1939 Poland was planning to invade Germany under a secret agreement with England and France. No wonder British do not intend to declassify their archives for at least 100 years after the end of the WWII.


The bottom line: Under the unjust Treaty of Versailles, following the WWI, Germany was raped. This could not go forever. Germany was fully justified to return back their land stolen from them by England, France, Czechoslovakia or Poland.


So, stop blaming Nazi Germany for all possible crimes. Just look at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials.  It was disgusting travesty of justice. Nazis were convicted among other with slaughtering of Polish officers in 1942. Now, we know and Soviets admitted that Polish POWs were slaughtered by the Soviet secret police.


Unfortunately, only recently, the truth about the WWII started to come out. In many EU countries, even a request to investigate certain Nazi crimes can land someone in a jail. So much for freedom in the “free & democratic” Europe.  Oh well, most of Americans think there are no reasons to investigate the 9/11 completely putting our trust into hands of the Bush and Obama administrations.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:43 | 1791016 blunderdog
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Eh?  I thought you'd asked about Vietnam and Libya.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:52 | 1789609 Roy Bush
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The Jewish population forced the Germans hands into WW2.

Germany would have gone broke with a boycott on all their exports and imports.  

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:55 | 1789614 tmosley
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Hitler "revived" their economy via pure ponzi.  It would have collapsed within a decade if left alone.

WWII was not imposed on Germany.  They made the first move.  And the second, and the third.  It was an obvious and clear signal that they were planning on taking the Roman rout and stealing all the capital from surrounding nations to fuel their economy.  Such strategies inevitably lead to collapse, especially in the ultra-centralized Third Reich (where the Romans only real expenses were payments to soldiers, welfare for citizens, and monument/infrastructure building--ie not much in the way of control over the menas of production or the lives of freemen).

Black slavery is indeed a terribly dark mark on American history, but the slaughter of the Natives was instigated by the Natives themselves.  They failed to recognize the rights of setlers, specifically, their right to their lives and their property, and took both from them.  Had they recognized such rights, they would have integrated into the culture as the Aztecs and Maya did, only moreso, as the English and American settlers weren't nearly as brutish as the Spanish were.

And of course, today the government is absolutely out of control.  But our bad government and insane policies doesn't excuse Hitler's worse government and "insaner" policies.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:09 | 1789690 Vergeltung
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wrong on Hitler, correct re USA/Native Americans. so, I neither green'd or red'd ya.  ;-)


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:20 | 1790203 LasVegasDave
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Of course, what should not be lost in this discussion is that once Hitler conquered France and the low countries he had access to their printing presses and did a fine imitation of Ben Bernanke.

Pretty easy to keep the Reich going when you can print Francs, Guilders and DMs.

Just sayin.....

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:35 | 1790640 SilverDOG
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Nice Rockefeller history lesson, you moron.


Gulf of Tonkin


USS Maine

New World free land

Aztec/Mayan disease extermination & integration 

Put your coloring book away, 'tard.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:46 | 1790853 mophead
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"but the slaughter of the Natives was instigated by the Natives themselves."

haha! They did it to themselves! Good one! ASS.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:07 | 1789680 Vergeltung
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well said caconhma

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:15 | 1789716 Monedas
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When Socialists, like Hitler, really want to get their economies moving (for other nefarious purposes).....they resort to lower taxes and sound money ! Obammy doesn't want an economic recovery....he wants to destroy Capitalism ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Welt Reise

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:37 | 1789349 SilverRhino
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Indeed.  Outstanding.

Confidence languishes for months, even years... until one day the currency begins to slide, slowly at first, then exponentially.

Won't happen that way this time.  The velocity of money is MUCH faster.   With electronic funds and banking / investment at processor speeds and transmission at light speed, the collapse will happen in days;  the electronic monetary collapse will happen in hours


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:43 | 1789366 jdelano
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Something brewing.  VIX sneaking up and up.  Either it's about to pop or the market is.  Think maybe there's a script flip in the works today--afternoon NEGATIVE rumor?  

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:47 | 1789377 trav7777
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Hitler promised and delivered.

The hyperinflation was very good to a particular group of people who used it and their connections in banking to come out the other side owning 100% of the country.  Even after years of Hitler's divestitute of their ownership back to Germans, they still held a third of Germany.

People look at Hitler as some kind of monstrous phenomenon, but WTF alternative was there?  An antagonistic group had just destroyed Germany and taken ownership of the country.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:00 | 1789423 chumbawamba
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Well, he didn't have to be such a dick.  I blame it on the meth.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:08 | 1789449 Abiotic Oil
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It is true that the Nazis invented amphetamines to keep going in battle.  I'm sure Hitler was constantly involved in testing "for purity".

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:18 | 1789483 blunderdog
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It is true that the Nazis invented amphetamines to keep going in battle.

No it isn't.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:32 | 1789792 AldousHuxley
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Nazis were the original "shovel-ready" stimulous project makers.


The idea for the construction of the autobahn was first conceived during the days of the Weimar Republic, but apart from the AVUS in Berlin, construction was slow, and most projected sections did not progress much beyond the planning stage due to economic problems and a lack of political support.

Just days after the 1933 Nazi takeover, Adolf Hitler enthusiastically embraced an ambitious autobahn construction project and appointed Fritz Todt the Inspector General of German Road Construction. Soon, over 100,000 labourers worked at construction sites all over Germany. As well as providing employment and improved infrastructure, necessary for economic recovery efforts, the project was also a great success for propaganda purposes.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 02:19 | 1791707 Freddie
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Obama's shovel ready jobs are money looted from the treasury going to his cronies.  No shovels are ever lifted.  At least hitler built something versus hiring more govt workers and doling out money to Solyndra con men.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:58 | 1789903 SPONGE
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I think you're thinking of methadone

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:05 | 1789929 blunderdog
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But get serious: ice cream has no bones.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:06 | 1789444 Bob
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Very white of you to defend Hitler, trav, but I believe the "monstrous" epithet attached to poor Adolf is the product of his genocide and, perhaps even more so, his methods thereof. 

Sure, you could say he was merely the Henry Ford of murderous tyranny, but somehow that doesn't quite capture the full reality of the matter.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:14 | 1789467 buyingsterling
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Reducto ad Hitlerum

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:18 | 1789480 aerojet
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Even before the genocide, the Brownshirts were despicable thugs.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:13 | 1789702 Vergeltung
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Die Fahne Hoch!


No way Aero. they were battling it out in the streets against the reds. and won.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:26 | 1789510 trav7777
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he didn't concoct Reinhard- Himmler did.

Indict Hitler (as well as all the other leaders in WW2) for his war crimes against wholly civilian targets.  Leningrad, Stalingrad, Berlin, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, etc.

Genocide of an ethnic population is historically unremarkable. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:29 | 1789519 Harlequin001
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unless you are that ethnic population, of course...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:57 | 1789548 Bob
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Agreed.  It was primarily a difference of style.  And, fwiw, I'd say Truman's nuclear strikes on Japan's cities trumped Hitler's for pure evil efficiency, but when the act is so compresesd in time it loses some of its dramatic appeal . . . it's little more than a few sentence story.  Especially if you've been conditioned to view it from the perspective of the "victors."

Ultimately, though, I see no grounds for defending any of them. 

Guess I don't have any favorite mass murderers. Even Bush and Obama have lost their novelty. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:08 | 1789452 Nascent_Variable
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If you take Hitler's speeches and substitute the words "central banks" for "jews," he makes some excellent points.  Parasites, nation wreckers, etc.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:39 | 1789557 trav7777
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and who comprises the federal reserve board?

You can pretty much leave the words alone

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1789586 Nascent_Variable
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Every jew on earth has been secretly appointed to the federal reserve board?

Wow.  You've gotta admit, that's an impressive feat.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:15 | 1789715 Vergeltung
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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:19 | 1789984 saiybat
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Why do you suppose the Jew is appointed to the Federal Reserve board? If the Jew is the master of the world they'd be appointing pygmies as financiers. There's a long history of using the Jew as the scapegoat even as far back as ancient Rome. It seems you're looking for a group of people to blame but how many Jews do you know that own banks? If you want to fight with your fellow man that are in the same boat as you and everyone else while the world turns to shit then know that you are brainwashed.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:51 | 1789603 Paul Bogdanich
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Please get your terminology corect.  The comperable term for central bank cartel was "International Jewery."  The ordinary "Jew" was a seperate category. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:43 | 1789569 pelican
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He offered "Hope" and "Change" no?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:01 | 1789638 Bob
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And lots of it.  I guess we can find some moral consolation in Barry being of the Mussolini School rather than the German. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:22 | 1790961 optimator
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Some of that group converted their Marks into other currencies.  I can't compute how much they made on that. 

Take X number of marks and convert them to Dollars at 75 Pfennig to the Dollar.  Then when it's 4 million marks to the dollar convert back.   Because all currencies will suffer only gold and silver will be the alternative.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:01 | 1789420 Hearst
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Loss of confidence is happening right now.  Further money printing to follow.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:15 | 1789470 fonestar
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That's what I believe too.  People ask me if our entire system of government and currency in the western world could fail the way Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe did.  I tell them no, it will be much, much worse.

This can be a hard and lonely position to maintain in this society I have found.  One begins to question his own conclusions, his own sanity sometimes.  It is like being on the Titanic and you are the only one who knows it doesn't make it to the other side.  Even when faced with the elementary math of this problem people still chose to drink the kool-aid and smoke the hopium right up to the last life boat being loaded.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:58 | 1789625 Thucydides
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When the consequences of excess and ignorance finally are exacted the masses in unison will raise their collective hands and shoulders in a shrug and say "We did not know" No! You did not bother to find out and understand!  Instead you took the bribes of easy money and government largesse and believed the BS that it would never end.  But to those who have taken the time to find out and understand there is placed a terrible do something about it.  Just as it has always been in history in every era.  History in it's purity (not the history of victors) never passes judgement or moralizes the outcome but simply states what came to pass.  What will pure history say about these times? 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:12 | 1789705 Chicken_Little
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Simon the more articles you write the more credible you become. Keep it up :)

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:22 | 1789277 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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"Problem, reaction, solution"

hegelian dialectic

All engineered by the few on the many.

Same scam, different time, same scum doing the scam.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:44 | 1789369 Confused
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Same scam, different time, same scum doing the scam.

The problem is, there is no one left to realize (before hand) exactly what the con is. Which is how they've gotten away with it for so long.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:51 | 1789386 MacGruber
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But all the while with better tools.

My parents just came back from a trip abroad. They were telling my how crazy customs were re-entering the U.S. I didn't think about it much at first, but then they told me WHY. Seems the U.S. now has a policy of finger printing and getting detailed info on all single U.S. citizen males entering the country.

It is disturbing the police [state] apperatus that has/is being established in our country. Anyone with a desire for fascist control of the gov'ment now has a turnkey solution at their fingertips. With each day the apperatus gets more/better intel on their own citizens, increasing the ease with which people can be controlled or disappeared. 

The name Homeland Security is perfect for an Orwellian non-fiction tale.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:57 | 1789621 The Alarmist
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Maybe they want to see if you registered for selective service .... Need fresh fodder for war #7 et seq.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:57 | 1789896 DosZap
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MacGruber ,

Wait if the new Bill that's ben presented get's passed (if it does).

YOU can and will be arrested, for simply saying,printing,using the letters of the TSA,good /bad/or whatever

(without their express written permission)

They are trying to LOCK this bitch down like a drum.

Freedom of Speech???.............................what was that.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:53 | 1789401 DosZap
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It's concerning right now to see the early stages of economic decline spawning populist uprisings; most are being met with unconscionable force by the police state.


When it gets bad enough, there will be a major difference here.

NO one decided to Cut to the the chase and shoot back. Here, that will  not be the case.

Anyone who thinks differently, is wrong.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:22 | 1789285 TradingJoe
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And now lets all move to Chile and help Simon build an ashram :-))))

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:51 | 1789392 Schmuck Raker
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That would be Mister Sovereign Man, to you trader.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:57 | 1789412 Harlequin001
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Not the same Sovereign somethin' that thinks the world is going to confiscate my gold by chance?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:25 | 1789289 TuesdayBen
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Gubmint kill millions.  Gubmint bad.

More gubmint evil.  Less gubmint better.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:23 | 1789290 Thurifer
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William Shirer worried that his book was written too soon after the events it chronicled and that later it would be seen as lacking historical perspective. Wrong, still the best book about Nazi Germany ever written

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:19 | 1789739 Vergeltung
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some of the memoirs of the men inside are good as well; Speer, Guderian, Meyer, Hausser, Von Luck, Carius, etc.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:38 | 1791000 optimator
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Start with Hans Von Luck.  Don't forget Von Manstein, Fey, Raus, Degrelle, Von Richthoven...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:23 | 1789291 Taint Boil
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Here is a "must-see" video from Mish - just sickening.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:38 | 1789352 Abitdodgie
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The mother should be sent to a labor camp for failing to look after one of the province children, the driver should be given a fine for hitting a object in the road and driving without due care and attention.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:39 | 1789547 DosZap
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Abitdodgie ,

the driver should be given a fine for hitting a object in the road and driving without due care and attention.

You are shitting us right?(have to be a foreigner).How much of a fine should the driver get for running over the child, not once, but backing over it a second time.

And NEVER getting out to see what the hell they hit?.(here that would be 1st degree manslaughter.

Life means little still to many Pac Rims.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1789585 Oquities
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don't feel bad - those negative chunks you're getting only show their inability to understand nuance and sarcasm. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:19 | 1789738 greenbear
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A tragic reminder of how cheap life is in Red China.  Although many people walked past her as she was dying, and even ran over her broken little body, as if she was nothing more than the carcas of a dog, her life is precious to the Saviour.

I thank my God that precious little child is with Jesus now.

But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Luke 18:16, KJV



Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:25 | 1789292 tamboo
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show me a leader who isnt an infiltrating nation wrecking rothschild proxy.

Was Hitler An Illuminati Agent?


Expose Zionist Lies: "Adolf Hitler - Founder of Israel"
Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:26 | 1789299 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:28 | 1789313 john39
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he better hope the mahdi arrives soon, the NWO vultures are circling as we speak.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:11 | 1789461 DosZap
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John 39,

You hope for your mahdi,he ain't coming, the real one is.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:29 | 1789315 gojam
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Mahmoud Cohen is his real name. Definately a Rothschild agent.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:39 | 1789355 john39
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it is certainly possible that he is of sephardic descent, but that is not real issue.  There are plenty of Sephardic Jews who are anti zionism/NWO.  Iran itself has a significant population.  But picking rothschild proxies is no easy task as outside appearances are put on to disguise the role played.  With Achmainijad, his actions seem to indicate strong opposition to the zionist agenda.  He is one of the few to openly call it out, but of course, that can also be cover.  the fact that the zionists have been hot to topple him and/or invade Iran for so long, with no discernable legitimate basis to do so, would seem to support the conclusion that he is not a rothschild plant, whatever his ethnicity. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:59 | 1789421 Harlequin001
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you're a fuckin' loony...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:34 | 1789538 Smiddywesson
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Without falling into conjecture about anyone in particular, I think it's safe to say that TPTB have a useful pawn on each side of every important issue.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:40 | 1789358 Abitdodgie
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Thats right we should all hate Iran as we have been told to , good citizen.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:28 | 1789516 DosZap
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Thats right we should all hate Iran as we have been told to , good citizen.

I do not hate Iran's people,  but I do despise their system of Theocratic government.(and what it has done to their rights as humans)


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:27 | 1789307 gojam
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I expect I could but you'd only dash off another article "showing" how I was wrong. *sigh*

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:53 | 1789402 Schmuck Raker
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Genghis Khan
Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:57 | 1789411 Schmuck Raker
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Big Bird!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:58 | 1789417 Schmuck Raker
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Pol Pot

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:59 | 1789419 Schmuck Raker
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Pauly Shore...No Wait!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:15 | 1789473 Abiotic Oil
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Hitler was a crypto-jew. He burned his home town and birth records to ashes to hide his genealogy.

Go read "To Eliminate The Opiate" Vol 1 & 2 by Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:25 | 1789298 Cult_of_Reason
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Re: "Out-of-control printing caused the German mark to fall from 75 per dollar in 1921, to more than 4 billion just 3-years later"

Actually, at the start of World War I the exchange rate had been a mere 4.2 marks to the dollar. By November 1923, you would need 4.2 trillion marks to buy one dollar.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:51 | 1789390 Hansel
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Just imagine all the bottom callers between 4.2 marks and 4.2 trillion marks...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:26 | 1789303 john39
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watching events unfold, its seems there is a distinct possibility of a "double bind", meaning that whatever route the masses go, they are in trouble.  That is, if we continue to sit silently, the criminal banker elite will grind the world into debt slavery.   On the other hand, if there is a largescale public revolt against the banker criminals, they will use their control of governments, military and police, to create a new and more oppressive control system (which probably no longer relies on the same banking model, but something more sinister, such as digital currency that they control from one "bank").  Ugly choices ahead.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:27 | 1789304 Syrin
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No one who comes to this web site believes these are "temporary aberrations".   That's why people are long on PM's and lead.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:27 | 1789306 azusgm
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If there are cases of provocateured vandalism and violence during the OWS and beyond activities, such actions could backfire this time. The news yesterday about BAC's derivatives may add to the outrage. Instead of breaking up a peaceful demonstration of nonviolent protest, there could be rebellion.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:19 | 1789491 DosZap
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Reichstag ring a bell?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:43 | 1789570 azusgm
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Ding, ding, ding.

For a failed effort, how about the Battle in Seattle.?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:28 | 1789310 jm
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I sympathize with the aims of OWS and others like them.  I really do.  Nobody I know was in favor of all the Fed accomodation and political rigging, but I don't know the guys on top, they may be.  Nobody I know is happy with the lack of democratic representation that puts taxpayers and Chinese and Japanese bond holders on the stick for failures of the financial system.

What I do know is that the Fed has made money too cheap for decades, creating ripe conditions for the meltdown.  And I know that politicians have made theft an institutional part of the global economy.

I wish these guys would occupy the White House, congress, the Supreme Court and the Federal Reserve instead.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:48 | 1789380 Abitdodgie
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I for one am glad that there is a lack of" democratic representation" as we live in a REPUBLIC nice to see the brainwashing works.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:31 | 1789318 maxw3st
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And just like Germany and Cambodia before us, we have the rise of the Tea Party. When Steve Keen says "...beware of right-wing demagogues..." he's not speaking hypothetically.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:35 | 1789337 PivotalTrades
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Tyranny will come from the left as always..You are too funny

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:46 | 1789374 Tsar Pointless
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Really? Prove that.

We have tyranny NOW, and I daresay, we do NOT live in a "leftist" country.

We're "center-right", for those of you who love labels to substitute for political dialogue.

"Leftist!" "Commie!" "Socialist!"

Funny - most people who yell and use those terms, know not what they really entail.

Yeah, Cambodia was "communist". I'm sure each and every person in Cambodia under Pol Pot received the same amount of goods and services, and earned the same income, including Pol Pot and his minions. I'm sure there were no economic class distinctions, as classes cannot exist in true communist societies.

Hey, that's what communism is, correct?

Just as China is "communist", too. Uh-huh!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:48 | 1789381 Syrin
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Hey Spanky, you don't know tyranny and are so intellectually immature that I just wasted three minutes of my life responding to this PoS post.


Go take a dump on a flag somewhere because that's the sort of thing they do in tyrannical styates, right shit head?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:49 | 1789387 Dr. Engali
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Man you are really ignorant of the facts. We are a freedom loving country being ruled by a power hungry leftist who is doing all he can to squash our individual rights nd freedoms.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:55 | 1789404 Tsar Pointless
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Sure. Whatever you say, dear.

It's "leftist" to give PUBLIC money to PRIVATE institutions when they are on the verge of failing.

It's "leftist" to continue illegal wars that only serve to enrich a certain few to the detriment of the many.

I may be pointless, but you're clueless.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:09 | 1789426 Dr. Engali
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First of all the problem with your thesis is public money. There is no such thing. There is only cofiscated money from the producers in society tranfered by a third party to the takers in society. Which one are you?

Second of all it is absolutly leftist to do those things. That's is what leftists do. Reward the supporters with favors and squash anybody who opposes their ideas. People on the limited government right believe that those intitutions that have been poorly managed should wither away and die.

And by the way your lefty leader is expanding the war front.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:12 | 1789464 Tsar Pointless
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So not only are you clueless, you're delusional, too.

Add that to the list.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:19 | 1789475 Dr. Engali
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I take it by your limited cognitive response you fall into the taker category.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:24 | 1789503 blunderdog
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Oh, come off it.  "Left" just means "bad" in your world. 

Of course everything bad that has ever happened was a result of "leftists" because of your definitions, not because of any inherent meaning of the term.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:55 | 1789525 Dr. Engali
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No left doesn't mean bad just misguided in reasoning. But I do know all the mass murders in history have come from leftist regimes.

Let me ask you this. If I come up to you with a gun and say "I have hospital bills to pay give me your money." should I be arrested? And if so then why do you think it's right for the government (third party)  to confiscate my money or arrest me(government equivalent of a gun)  to pay for your hospital bills?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:56 | 1789620 blunderdog
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There's no connection between your little scenario and the meaning of "left" or "right."  It's not a relevant question.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:05 | 1789665 Dr. Engali
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You are trully a limited thinker if you see no connection. I have no right to confiscate your money by gun point and you have no right to confiscate mine by government. The relevance is the fact that in a free society nobody has the right to confiscate another's personal property by any means. The left loves to confiscate money from others to pay for those things that they don't want to work for. In a free society you have the right to ask me to pay those medical bills and I have the right to say yes or no I won't.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:16 | 1789725 blunderdog
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No, my thinking isn't "limited."  It's based on a clear understanding of the traditional meaning of "left" and "right."

"Left" refers to philosophy based on principles of individual autonomy, structure of society through reasoning, and dismissal of traditional authorities such as King, Church, etc.  This really got underway with the Renaissance, and the evolution of "liberal" philosophy resulted in the Enlightenment and (among other things) the foundation of the USA.

"Right" refers to the primacy of social and historical tradition ABOVE the primacy of the individual.  Again, back during the Enlightenment, it would be more traditional to dispense with scientific findings (see Copernican revolution, for example) in favor of support and reinforcement of papal authority.  "Right" oriented American colonists were Tories in support of the British empire.

You've taken the term "left" and applied it to a number of different authoritarian COLLECTIVIST movements, and used them as the definition.  But that's a backwards approach to defining the term.  It's got no basis.

What's telling is that you can't expound on the basis of your definition.  Rather than call me stupid, why don't you start by defining where "left" came from, historically?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:35 | 1789803 Dr. Engali
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I am not talking about the French revolution and whether or not you supported the king or not. I am talking about the evolution of left right politics. Those collectivist societies that end up killing their populations have evolved from the left school of thought, "From each according to his ability to each according to his needs". That is not the harkening of a free society. I would argue that the left today has morphed into the right of the French revolution. The left today will do all it can to support an all powerful government and squash any individualism they can. The right wants to throw off the shackles of government.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:09 | 1789949 blunderdog
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You're not talking about "left/right" politics, though.  You're talking about mugging. 

If I take a gun and threaten you until you give me money, that is not a political statement.

Rein in the sky-high rhetoric for a second and focus on whatever point you're trying to make.  As near as I've been able to tell, based on your opus here, the only thing you've ever had to say is that "left = bad."

Can you maybe say something interesting or important?

The Tea Party isn't a party.  It has no membership roll and no identifiable platform.  The idea that it want to throw off the shackles of government is cute and all, but I don't think you can trust your Tea Party Congressmen to dismantle their jobs and set you free.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:53 | 1790093 Dr. Engali
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Yes I'm talking about a mugging. And that is exactly what a government does when it takes what I have worked for to pay for your medical bills. A right thinking person believes in personal responsability, and working towards self sufficiency. I left leaning person looks at what another person's success and says I want some of that. So they hire a third party (government) to confiscate it instead of working for it themselves.

As far as your  comment about importance of what I am saying , it's my belief that what everybody has to say is important. I like to take it in as I process my school of thought. My core beliefs will never change but for arguments sake I believe all sides of the issue need to be understood. If you don't think what I have to say is interesting or important then don't read it. Otherwise put aside your arrogance and present your case.




Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:40 | 1790246 blunderdog
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I already made my case.  Your axioms are untrue.  This assertion is FALSE:

A right thinking person believes in personal responsability, and working towards self sufficiency. I left leaning person looks at what another person's success and says I want some of that.

We can redefine the words however you like.  Your gripe is with social welfare being administered by the government.


I know there are, because I AM one of them.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:46 | 1789848 DosZap
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Dr. Engali ,

you have no right to confiscate mine by government

While I agree with a lot you say you are incorrect here.

Source, the Amendments to the Constitution.Congress has the authority to do so.

And this in the USED to be most free nation ever in time.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 09:57 | 1792611 rwe2late
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“property" rights are not innate or sacrosanct. Property, private land, private resources, contracts, liability, etc. are all legal constructs of the state, and do not exist apart from it.

The promotion of the generalized "property" concept as a value is shallow.

It makes no allowance for how the property has been acquired, how lands, water etc. once "public" have become "private", nor how the state has constructed a legal edifice of "ownership".

At its core, all “capitalist” profit is based on one form or another of limited access, whether to markets, resources, or labor. Without property “rights”, patents, licenses, captive markets, or captive labor, profits diminish. Thus, even without economies of scale, the built-in bias toward monopolization of resources and production, and labor arbitrage - and the symbioses with “government” to establish and protect those privileges.

Those who rail simply against “gubmint” are succumbing to a fraudulent paradigm. They are missing the point how the TOTAL economy (public and private) is geared to impoverish nearly all of us.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:32 | 1789533 buyingsterling
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The left/right divide does matter, if you're talking corpses. And that picture looks a lot worse for leftists if you classify Hitler properly.

The left's battle cry has always been equality, that has never changed. So the left's manifestation has always been soul-deadening statism. The right's has always be liberty, that has never changed. Their manifestations have been rare but largely brilliant, leaving only the terminally lazy to suffer (what was the starvation rate in America from 1790-1913?). True leftists are foxes, they have to be, true conservatives are lions. Are we governed by foxes or lions?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:02 | 1789653 obthedgehog
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It's not left vs. right; it's the government vs. you.  Everything else is a waste of time.  If you want a special advantage given by government--of any kind--you are part of the problem.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:03 | 1790320 buyingsterling
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We had tolerable government in this country once. That framework isn't why we're broke. You can pin that on manufactured dependency, the left's basic agenda. For this country's history, it's the fake 'protectors' who have really brought the pain: dependency/tax enslavement, the income tax, abolition of reasonable tariffs, the Fed, executive orders, gold confiscation & blatant currency debasement by government decree, etc. To put it really crudely: The right wants you to fuck off, the left wants to rent out your ass to strangers. A system of mutual loathing is preferable to one of dependency, the former doesn't involve enslavement to the 'needs' (perceived, not actual) of others.

You know we're all rent boys now. That's the problem, and the solution starts with saying 'that's not OK'. But that is the only play in the left's book: coercion and redistribution of loot - so how can they condemn it? It's a lot longer slog to wake up from the left than from the right. Leftists have to question most all of their basic assumptions. Actual conservatives of the Taft/Paul flavor only have to start wondering why things aren't working like they should, even with 'conservative' leaders. One group has to abandon a philosophy, the other only has to abandon its faux 'leadership' and read the appendix on world government and the monetary system.

I don't excuse the dependent welfare/warfare class. But it's largely enabled by fiat, which is the ineluctable result of this welfare state, even absent bankers' evil intentions.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:08 | 1790334 rwe2late
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The U.S. government is not "Marxist" nor is it “Socialist“.

Our government does not nationalize the mega-corporations, but caters to them.

Our government is fascist (most glaringly overseas), corporatist, aligned with financial racketeers, global corporations, and the MIC, all against the lower and middle classes.

Despite any palliative handouts downward, the flood of wealth is upward to an elite few.

Confusion about language leads to confusion about the problems. Solutions are not to be found by "freeing" corporations from their imagined grip by government. Nor will solutions be found by relinquishing the struggle for good governance to the imagined protections of an impossible “free market”.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:32 | 1790463 Dr. Engali
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So who gets to dictate how the wealth is doled out? You? Call it what you want. Socialism of any sort, corporate or individual, is intrusive on another person's freedom.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:44 | 1789368 Ricky Bobby
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Yeh those middle class, middle aged white folk sure are menacing. Hell they picked up after themselves whenever they gathered.  But you keep propagating that stereotype and rush will keep propagating the communist are behind OWS. Get with the program it's 99 to 1. The 99 are a diverse group and the man to best represent them is Ron Paul.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:52 | 1789393 Abitdodgie
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Why do we need a leader why can we not lead ourselves this is a republic you know , try taking responsibility for yourself

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1789583 buyingsterling
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Theoretical anarchists are a uniformly shallow thinking lot. Virtually every group of social animals that can find itself under threat has a leader, from the family on up. In a utopic world, we'd live unmolested on our property. We wouldn't have to stare out the window all day to make sure marauders aren't on the horizon. Whoever makes that possible is the leader of your community.  In a world of scarce resources someone has to protect them. That's the leader. If you are a community of one, you're the leader. Good luck. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:05 | 1789667 blunderdog
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"Anarchy" doesn't mean "no leaders."  It means no arbitrary authority. 

Your thinking is pretty shallow on the subject, obviously.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:40 | 1789823 buyingsterling
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No arbitrary authority? That's constitutionalism with a secession right.

Anarchists argue that governmental authority is not necessary. If the advantages of collective defense haven't always obviated that myth, the presence of nuclear weapons does.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:12 | 1789954 blunderdog
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Collective defense exists with or without government.

You can't defend yourself from nukes, anyway.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:01 | 1789649 ChacoFunFact
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Agreed.  We are a Federal Republic where each individual is sovereign.  In a democracy, the majority is sovereign.  Self reliance and brotherhood is what I suspect the framers had in mind.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:57 | 1789624 azusgm
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Not sure if your reply was directed toward me or was an "in general" comment. Anyway...

I have absolutely zero problem with the OWS and related actions. None. These are peaceful protests.

Should have started over 3 years ago and never stopped.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:45 | 1789371 Dr. Engali
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That is the most moronic statement I have ever heard. Every mass murdering of people has come from the socialistic left. Hitler-socialist party. Stalin-socialist party, Pol Pot- socialist party. The tea party wants individual freedom and liberty.The Tea party wants to limit the governments power. The occupy wall treet wants to expand it.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:48 | 1789384 Tsar Pointless
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The Tea Party, as it has become, wants to come into my bedroom and into womens' wombs.

How is that limiting the government's power? How is that not expanding it?

Hypocrisy. Look into it.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:37 | 1789397 Dr. Engali
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The tea party wants to limit the taxation and expansion of govenment. Sooner or later government grows so big that it consumes everything in it's sight

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:53 | 1789606 buyingsterling
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As always for leftists, the bottom line is abortion and anal sex.

No one wants to see your flabby ass pumping up and down in what passes for a bedroom. And we don't as much give a shit (well we do, sort of) if your offspring want to slice up your grandchildren and suck them out with a vacuum, as we do about you insisting that abortion be universally accepted. And we question your humanity and sanity:  A ruthless society might kill off humans once it understood the limits of their potential. A selfish, craven, morally bankrupt one kills them for pleasure, which is what abortion boils down to, 99% of the time: Someone got their rocks off, now someone else has to die.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:25 | 1789767 Vergeltung
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holy schitt, this Tsar dude is uncommonly stupid.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:25 | 1789764 Milestones
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Really! Might go to Market Ticker. Karl has posted a 20 point "embryo policy position paper" put out by OWS that is open to comments. Why don't you migrate to Denningers blog and blow off your mouth there?    Milestones

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:50 | 1790265 rwe2late
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Yours are the most moronic statements I have ever heard.

Suharto in Indonesia, Johnson and Nixon in Vietnam, Mussolini, Hitler, the myriad of US backed dictators (such as Duvalier, Somozoa, Pinochet, and the Shah of Iran), the English, Spanish, and US against the Native Americans, the US suppression of the Philippinos, Truman and Roosevelt terror bombing German and Japanese cities, Imperial Japanese in Korea and China, on and on

... all "socialist" to you due only to your personally invented and twisted use of language.

"The occupy wall treet[sic] wants to expand it." more of your twisted language based nonsense.

 "Dr." ?? who doesn't understand the differences between corporate fascism, Stalinism, democratic socialism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, etc. ... and who therefore denounces everything he doesn't understand or like as "socialism".

There, when Engali makes such ill-defined generalizations to defend a cleansed version of "capitalism" and to denounce a so-called "socialism",  lies an oft-traveled path to oppression and tyranny.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:46 | 1790392 Dr. Engali
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  Good then we are in agreement then. Socialism leads to the destruction of the very people they say they are trying to protect.  Call it corporate fascism, Stalinism, democratic socialism, totalitarianism, dictatorship they are all the same. When ever you advocate the siezing of another person's property or labor then you fall into one of these ism's. Give me a free market entrepreneurial society, where one is rewarded for their ideas and there labor  any day.

I believe in failing or succeeding based on my own merit. I don't believe in an "equalizer" to distribute somebody elses reward or labor toward me.

 By the way I noticed you didn't throw Kennedy in with that Vietnam group. Very telling.

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