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Guest Post: If The US Goes, Won't The Rest Of The World Be Even Worse?

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From Simon Black of Sovereign Man

 If The US Goes, Won't The Rest Of The World Be Even Worse?

Today was one of those days when the PT lifestyle was... less than glamorous. It took nearly 24-hours of travel dealing with weather delays, in-flight diversions, and mind-numbing airline incompetency... but I've finally arrived to Mongolia. As I write this, it's a balmy -7 Celsius (19F) outside.

Despite the terrible weather, I'm excited to spend the next several days here sniffing around a few private placements and hopefully having some killer barbecue. More on Mongolia next week, let's move on to this week's questions.

First, Jennifer asks, "Simon, you've been writing a lot lately about the prospect of social unrest in the developed world, including the US. You suggest that international diversification is a great way to protect against this threat. But if there's social unrest in the US, won't there be total chaos everywhere else?"

Not by a long shot. I'll explain--

It's true that economic decay and social turmoil are inextricably linked. We're seeing signs of that now all over the world-- the violent protests in Greece, the Arab Spring, and now the Occupy Wall Street movement.

In a recent paper, economic historians Jacopo Ponticelli and Hans-Joachim Voth studied fiscal restructurings over the last nine decades. They gathered data from dozens of countries-- the UK, Switzerland, Yugoslavia, Russia, Denmark, Hungary, etc. and measured increases in riots, crime rates, and strikes.

The results showed a clear positive correlation. GDP declines and the imposition of austerity measures went hand-in-hand with social instability. The more severe the economic disorder, the worse the social unrest.

The insolvent nations of the developed world are going through a severe depression right now... and as politicians continue to talk of more bailouts, more money printing, and more stimulus programs, it seems like things are only going to get worse.

Each of these nations-- Italy, Japan, Ireland, the United Kingdom, the United States, etc. is so heavily indebted that their interest payment obligations has become a vice grip on economic growth. Greece, for example, blows through roughly 10% of GDP just paying interest on the national debt.

It becomes very difficult... almost impossible... to generate any meaningful growth when 10% of your entire nation's productivity goes out the door before you even get out of bed in the morning.

What's more, most of these countries are in the position where they have to borrow money just to pay interest on the money they've already borrowed. The United States is very solidly in this position.

This makes debt accumulation exponential-- it rises at a faster and faster rate, simultaneous with flat (or negative) economic growth. One day when confidence in this Ponzi scheme finally vanishes, borrowing costs will skyrocket, hastening the endgame and consequent social turmoil.

Thing is, most developed countries are woefully unprepared to deal with such turmoil. Places like the United States may have reached the zenith of consumerism, but most people have scant clue of how to function without their creature comforts.

Hardly anyone grows food, knows anything about automobile maintenance, generates their own electricity, or can actually 'make' something by hand. Few people have ever seen blood in the streets, hyperinflation, or a complete breakdown of the social structure.

In stark contrast, many countries in the developing world have experience with all of these. They're inherently mistrustful of their governments... they hoard precious metals and raise chickens in the backyard. Many people still work manual labor jobs and have the skills to be able to build and fix things themselves.

I'm not trying to make a blanket statement about every single person in these countries, but rather generalize societies' capabilities to deal with the knock on effects of economic decay. Western culture simply does not embrace self-reliance.

Ironically, it is the 'poor' countries that are much better positioned to deal with chaos. What's more, they're also fundamentally stronger economies with high savings rates, low debt levels, and strong growth potential.

The hard truth is that, while the United States leads the world in things like debt, bombs, and foreign military bases, many of the world's developing nations have much better insulated economies to ward off the social consequences of economic deterioration... and their societies are more capable of handling it.

This is why I've selected Chile for the site of our resilient community, a place where we can grow our own food, control our own water supply, and generate our own energy.

Next, Elizabeth asks, "Simon, you've been fairly negative on the euro. I have a question though. European leaders are meeting right now to fix the euro and work out a solution. Doesn't this give you any confidence that they can fix it?"

Not in the least, and I'm amazed that these rumors of plans are giving the market a boost.

Think about it-- the people who are responsible for the problem to begin with are having a 'meeting'... and that's supposed to inspire confidence??

A bunch of politicians sitting around talking about how to fix an economy is like a bunch of zoo keepers trying to figure out how to perform open heart surgery. It's not going to happen.

Last, Hugh asks, "Simon- it's clear you travel all the time, and I understand you have a number of passports. Which passport do you use when you travel?"

It depends, it's usually country specific. Coming into Mongolia this evening, I used my US passport simply because the US is one of the only nationalities that doesn't require a visa to enter Mongolia.

Conversely, going to a place like Brazil, I'll use another citizenship like my Western European passport. US citizens require a visa (and heavy fees) to enter Brazil, but with my European passport I glide right in.

This is one of the many, many benefits of having multiple citizenships, it certainly makes travel much more convenient. More options always mean more freedom.


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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:23 | 1798188 FranSix
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Action Forex reports that the $US dollar is at a new low against the Japanese ¥:

Action Forex

We might see a ¥ melt-up, but this might actually be because of a $US meltdown.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:17 | 1798827 aus_punter
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Why does anyone believe this crap ? Do you seriously think he is in Mongolia ? Has this guy even been to Chile ?

Notice how generally he writes , with no particular detail "a few private placements" "killer barbecue" ....I mean this is a fucking insult to anyones intelligence

I strongly suspect "Simon" could really be a taxi driver who writes this bs from the comfort of his parents basement.  There is nothing of substance in any of these posts.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:13 | 1799148 CompassionateFascist
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I'm putting a few rat-traps out in my backyard...maybe we can catch this guy. Kill the rat and barbacue it.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 00:45 | 1799560 Harlequin001
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'This is one of the many, many benefits of having multiple citizenships, it certainly makes travel much more convenient. More options always mean more freedom.'

It also completely screws up the issue of which country has the taxing rights to your income and estate, and which of the numerous legal systems is going to handle the process of Probate when you die, since you can bet your ass they all will want to, for the tax purposes of course.

Good luck with that one...


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 15:20 | 1800282 DrunkenMonkey
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Each country deals with the assets held within it's borders, surely ?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 08:51 | 2137324 glenn17
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Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:19 | 1801158 XitSam
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Yes, it makes you subject to each countries' laws of which you are a citizen.  For example, mandatory military service, ie. the draft. 

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 05:17 | 2057593 glenn17
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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:24 | 1799485 prains
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This is one of the many, many benefits of having multiple citizenships, it certainly makes travel much more convenient. More options always mean more freedom.


another great benefit is you can live your life as a complete WANKER and never fully self actualize that fact. TFM

Total Fucking Muppet

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:27 | 1799489 prains
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once again thank you for throwing meat into the cage for us, love a good rant.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:23 | 1798192 Trimmed Hedge
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I am in complete envy of your jet-setting lifestyle!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:30 | 1798213 GeneMarchbanks
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Precisely what he wants you to say/think. He's a sad, world weary, terribly insecure creature who bullshits people into a world-view which is, at best, illusory.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:32 | 1798219 caerus
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i hope you're joking

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:34 | 1798228 oddjob
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elitist globe trotting jet fuel junkie.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:36 | 1798520 Dane Bramage
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Haha!  I wish Simon the best though.  Chile seems a nice spot.   In less troubling times I'd consider a vacation home (vineyard!) there.   One question (yet again) for Mr. Black however = got firearms & ammo (in Chile)?  In my view, no retreat is worthwhile if it isn't defensible in the most dire circumstances.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 00:48 | 1799564 Harlequin001
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Wasn't General Pinochet a real nice, charitable, peace fomenting chap in that idyllic little paradise he's recommending?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:41 | 1798265 SilverRhino
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I'm calling bullshit.   If he's such a bad ass world-traveller post some multiple passport pages .... I'll fucking believe THAT when I see it.  

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:48 | 1798292 GeneMarchbanks
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There is or are monied Americans that globe trot for various reasons, mostly boredom. Generally speaking, having run into a couple on my travels, they are vacuous individuals who have genuine emotional problems and need to project themselves as powerful and heroic. Hence Sovereign Man. Real macho type shit. It's not the travel I doubt, it's the glamor that is bullshit.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:52 | 1798551 Zero Govt
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I'm trying to gain a 2nd Passport myself ...the benefits Simon mentions are worth the effort alone, not to mention others (tax free residence, options when the world implodes in hyper-deflation etc)

America should be relatively safe during this Great Depression as its people are stable and freedom loving. Note the Tea Party and Occupy protestors of left and right have coreectly selected the right targets (criminal Govt and bankers).

Here in Europe we have British opportunist youth raiding small shops (wrong target) and Greeks running riot damaging banks (excellent target, setting them alight and burning staff is not). Spain and Italy have socialist/fascist histories when their hot Med' tempers flare which makes them potentially unstable 

Options are a very good thing ...i'm amazed at the luddites posting slating Simons astute planning

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:08 | 1798604 GeneMarchbanks
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I have two passports. Nothing against that, good to have options. It's all the rest that is nonsense. Chile, fine.

Then he goes on and on about buying a Maple Leaf in HK, Mongolia, South Africa, Thailand. Too much bullshit.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:33 | 1798672 FeralSerf
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Why don't you get a job as a flight attendant?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:30 | 1798210 SheepHerder
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Greed and Materialism is a drug

Money in and of itself is not a bad thing.  Cars in and of themselves are not bad things.  I-pods, I-pods, and I-phones in and of themselves are not bad things.  Material is not a bad thing, but materialism and greed are.

America is addicted to greed and materialism.  In fact America on the whole is an addict. 

The first sign in recognizing an addict is that take away the drug and the addict becomes restless, irritable and discontent.  They become very restless with the present.  They feel unfulfilled and start searching for things to fill a void because of the lack of meaning and purpose in their lives.  They become very irritable.  They start becoming divisive, hating others around them and become selfish as they look to find the anything that will fill the discomfort and unease that is now in their life because their drug of choice has been taken from them.  Most of all they become discontent with the present.  Without their drug, the present moment becomes a painful question mark. They have nothing to numb them to the fact that they have no idea what their purpose is in life and what meaning there is in living.  

The second sign of an addict is that they are often in denial.  “Sure maybe I have small over-spending habit on shit I don’t necessarily need, but it’s nothing I can’t handle.”  “Sure I made a few risky investments that went south, but I’ve learned my lesson and won’t do it again.”  In the meantime they continue to rack up debt upon debt.  They continue to sprint toward the edge with their reckless behavior. The  banker looks at the irresponsible homeowner and says it’s your fault you took on a mortgage that was way over your head and the homeowner looks at the irresponsible banker and says it’s your fault you took my mortgage and sliced it every which way till Sunday and played fucking roulette with it.  Neither has the fortitude to look at themselves and admit they have a problem.

The third sign of an addict is that they lack the internal fortitude to admit they are getting their ass kicked by their addiction.  Despite thousands of dollars of debt, the consumer can’t help but go out and buy the latest gadget to get a temporary ego boost in thinking he is keeping up with the Jones and the envy of all his friends.  Despite the fact the firm’s business model is launching the bank towards insolvency, the banker can’t help but gamble in the market with its customer’s money.  They are powerless to adopt new behaviors.

The first step to a true American recovery is for our country to concede to ourselves that we have a major problem.  That problem is that we are addicted to greed and materialism.  We obsess over how to get more money and more possessions.  We may try to cut back for a while in spending and our accumulation like we did in 2008, but inevitably, the restlessness, irritability and discontentment bring us back to consuming and accumulating.  And given time a little consumption and accumulation leads back to rampant greed and materialism.  The more we obtain in money and material, the more we feel we need to fill some hole in what our country’s meaning and purpose is.

I have a question to ask?  What are the top five significant memories in our country’s history?  How much do those memories have to do with the people of the time, the character our country showed at the time and the natural world versus the amount of money in our country had on hand and the accumulative material possession we had?  Is collective our purpose in life to work 40 plus hours a week so we can make more money to buy more shit we don’t need?  Is the meaning of life really he who dies with the most toys wins?

I often wonder if animals watch us and quietly think, “What a bunch of fucking idiots!”

Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.

Don't these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in these holy garden, silly monkeys,
Where there's one you're bound to divide it.
Right in two.

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason.
And this is what they choose.
And this is what they choose...

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
They forge a blade,
And where there's one
they're bound to divide it,
Right in two.
Right in two.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey.
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs.
They make a club.
And beat their brother, down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to live to light a heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cut it all right in two

Fight over the clouds, over wind, over sky
Fight over life, over blood, over prayer,
overhead and light
Fight over love, over sun,
over another, Fight...

Angels on the sideline again.
Been soon long with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug of war will end.

Cut it all right in two

Right in two...


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:49 | 1798299 s2man
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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:53 | 1798327 Use of Weapons
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Polite request - if you're going to post songs, just shove it in a nice link. [or if you're only interested in a song, not visuals with it, like so - ]


Modern minds multi-task open windows anyhow (16 open in front of me, about 10 I'm focused on) so we're well able to listen whilst reading, and get the meaning from both imputs.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:23 | 1798472 Subprime JD
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Shut the fuck up

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:36 | 1798518 Use of Weapons
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Seemed a pretty rational request there.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:07 | 1798601 Space Potato
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HAHAHA! If there is any correlation between the breakdown of discourse on this site and the breakdown of society as a whole, then we're really screwed.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:13 | 1798611 Use of Weapons
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Ah, I see - grudge match.


I've answered our last exchange, and apologised. Calma, calma & lets not let a fist fight escalate across the entire board, eh?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:32 | 1798670 Subprime JD
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Fair response. We have a truce.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:36 | 1798516 theabyss11
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Sorry to disregard the polite request you made earlier. Wasn't meaning to be a dick I just stopped scrolling when I came to the song. Wont happen again.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:41 | 1798531 Use of Weapons
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You can totally disregard my request / suggestion, I even got a junk for it (?), but links are a bit more social.

Otherwise, I read it, go 'hmm, interesting', google lyrics to find the band / album, open youtube/grooveshark and listen to it anyway. Makes the experience a bit more disjointed. <shrug>



Also, it probably kills people viewing on mobiles.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:22 | 1798450 theabyss11
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You like the tool as well I see. Beautiful song and great message like all of their songs. I have more of an Aenema feeling right now.

Some say the end is near
Some say we'll see armageddon soon
I certainly hope we will
I sure could use a vacation from this
Bull-shit, three-ring
Circus sideshow

Of freaks here in this
Hopeless fucking
Hole we call L.A.
The only way to fix it is
To flush it all away
Any fucking time
Any fucking day
Learn to swim
See you down in
Arizona Bay

Fret for your figure
And fret for your latte
And fret for your lawsuit
And fret for your hairpiece
And fret for your Prozac
And fret for your pilot
And fret for your contract
And fret for your car

It's a bull-shit, three-ring
Circus sideshow

Some say a comet will fall from the sky
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves
Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still
Followed by millions of dumb-founded dipshits and

Some say the end is near
Some say we'll see armageddon soon
I certainly hope we will
I sure could use a vacation from this

Stupid shit
Silly shit
Stupid shit

One great big festering neon distraction
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied

Learn to swim... Learn to swim... Learn to swim... Learn to swim...

Mom's gonna fix it all soon
Mom's coming 'round to put it back the way it oughta be

Fuck L. Ron Hubbard
And fuck all his clones
Fuck all these gun-toting
Hip gangster wanna-bes

Fuck retro anything
Fuck your tattoos
Fuck all you junkies
And fuck your short memory

Learn to swim... Learn to swim... Learn to swim... Learn to swim...

Fuck smilie glad-hands with hidden agendas
Fuck these dysfunctional, insecure actresses

Learn to swim... Learn to swim... Learn to swim... Learn to swim...

I'm praying for rain
I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way
I wanna watch it all go down
Mom, please flush it all away
I wanna see it go right in and down
I wanna watch it go right in
Watch you flush it all away

Yeah, time to bring it down again
Yeah, don't just call a pessimist
Try and read between the lines

And I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend

I wanna see it come down
Plug it down
Suck it down
Flush it down

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:35 | 1798514 The_Euro_Sucks
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Gotta love tool, why not include a link to the song?


For the chartists, tool made song based on fibonacci

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:53 | 1798742 thriftymost
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You're an addict yourself, SleepHerder, but don't know it.

Assuming you're human, it follows that you're addicted to breathing.  You're also addicted to eating and drinking.  You're addicted to the consciousness-altering practice of sleep, which I bet takes up about a third of your time each and every day.  You're probably addicted to many other things as well--most of them basically good, all with drawbacks (think of the opportunity cost associated with all that bedtime), and by bedtime, I don't mean sex, though without a sex addiction the human race would never have made it this far.

Addictions are fundamentally a good thing, since we tend, by nature, to gravitate toward the things that help us thrive and grow and be happy, and tend to want to perpetuate all that goodness.  Just be sure to practise moderation, SleepHerder, when and where necessary.  And remember to feed your head, not just your gut.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:19 | 1799618 AnAnonymous
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So now addiction is that. Another valuable addition in this US driven world.

As addiction is a primary issue in US citizenism, it is funny how US citizens deal with that kind of issues.

Everytime, well, you discover that it is not an exception condition but a very common one.

So eating and drinking is an addiction.

Normalization of exceptional conditions.

It tells about what is coming up in this US world order.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 15:01 | 1800256 I did it by Occident
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the band I mean, I wasn't insulting you or your post.  I just like the band.  :)


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 15:09 | 1800271 I did it by Occident
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their videos are the wierdest though, just sayin'

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 13:21 | 1804952 matrix2012
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WHY more greed and materialism? WHY only money and money only?

First, to consume till the death's calling! eg: for small guy, after having an iPhone, then iPhone 4S, next Android Google Nexus; iPad then iPad2; etc a long list here...please help

for big guys, after getting a Ferrari, then a 3-room condo, next is a yacht, further is a personal jet, and the long list continues...

Second, to secure a cool estate in the heaven! Property here. Property there!

Third, to finance the purchase of Indulgence from the "God's Representative on Earth" (take it as an investment in the afterlife insurance)


Now you all know why only money matters! :D


Anyhow, WELL SAID SheepHerder! :-) what a reading pleasure

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:30 | 1798211 Mugatu
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Flee to Chile Bitchez!

Decent wine and warm women!


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:33 | 1798231 falak pema
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they can't feed the whole world. Spread out the pain and the hope and pleasure.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:01 | 1798371 earleflorida
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their dirt won't stop them from being buried once the world goes on strike - were all in the same hole - they'll just get buried in a mass grave atop ours 

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 15:03 | 1800259 I did it by Occident
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lots of copper mines too.


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:30 | 1798212 lolmao500
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Even if the whole freaking world economy collapse, people in rural mongolia won't give a fuck.

Well until Russia and China go at it.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:31 | 1798214 falak pema
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What has to go is pax americana, its cold war plus mid-east oil monopoly power play and the Reganomics legacy turned into NWO financial fallacy. Change those parameters and the world has hope. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:37 | 1798250 CrashisOptimistic
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Oil defines everything.

But you do not understand oil.  The number 1 producer of oil is not in the Middle East.  It is Russia.  Factor that into your worldview.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:58 | 1798347 falak pema
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Russia is there but what is important is the potential export ratio not reservoir potential and russia does not have the export potential of combined Mid-east cheap oil export base. Ofcourse, that could all change and WILL change in next thirty years which is the time frame to move out of oil and massively into renewables. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:33 | 1798227 Truffle_Shuffle
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America......millions, soon to be hundreds of millions, of "useless eaters".

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:41 | 1798233 -Michelle-
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I just don't understand the belief that Americans will be welcomed into these countries with open arms.  Half of my family is from Central America.  I hear how they talk about Americans who are buying land there.  It's not pretty and I get the feeling that they're holding back a little bit because the American relations are in hearing distance.  Who knows how they talk when we're not there?

If the whole thing goes to pot, I would rather be in the country and culture I grew up in.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:50 | 1798303 AcidRastaHead
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Don't you just hate it when entire nations talk behind your back.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:26 | 1798864 -Michelle-
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I would be less concerned about the talking behind your back and more concerned with the sneaking up behind your back and hacking you with a machete.

Nothing like hearing an 80 year old woman talk about doing that if the foreigners get feisty.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:34 | 1798235 buzzsaw99
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what a freaking hassle! reminds me of pelosi, that bitch has all the money she could ever want or need but spends all her time in an airplane. what a wasted life!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:05 | 1798396 NotApplicable
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But just think of all of the healthy radiation she is absorbing.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:35 | 1798241 EZT
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No, "the world" would be a better place..

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:35 | 1798243 zebra
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for those who can read Chinese, this is your canary in the coal mine

Asia is the factory of the world, if their order is weak, then that should tell you something. What is the the of the world smoking???

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:08 | 1798398 FranSix
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"What is the the of the world smoking???"

Presenting: The The  'This Is The Day'


Just to cheer yuz all up.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:30 | 1801175 XitSam
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And for the rest of us there is Google translate.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:36 | 1798246 Glass Steagall
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Trust baby. Go fuck urself.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:44 | 1798261 Ralph Spoilsport
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The Amish in the US can handle the breakdown of society rather well. They will miss propane for heat and light, diesel fuel for their generators, but they have food, transportation and trade skills covered. They also breed like rabbits.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:00 | 1798365 Long-John-Silver
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They Also breed like rabbits.


If your only form of entertainment was breeding..........

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 01:04 | 1799578 Harlequin001
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I can't wait to go back to a 'horse and cart' society...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:04 | 1798387 sabra1
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at least those rabbits have birth certificates! those pwesky cwitters!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:35 | 1798513 LoneCapitalist
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As well as birth defects.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:15 | 1798442 Falcon15
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They are also complete pacifists. They will not lift a finger to stop a person from even killing them. Their communities are so done in a total collapse, because every city slicker and his grandma are headed for Amish country with guns and appetites.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:25 | 1798483 Yellowhoard
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Don't fool yourself. Just because the Amish are pacifists doesn't mean that they will not defend themselves or their families. The ones that I know in KY all have guns and know how to use them.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:50 | 1798554 Ralph Spoilsport
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They are pacifists by nature but they sure are well armed. Things have changed since the maniac killed their children in Nickel Mines, PA five years ago. They are at the local range practicing with all manner of firearms, some definitely not suitable for hunting.

One thing you learn about the Amish if you live amongst them - they might seem friendly but the "Plain Folk" are not friends of the "English". I've never seen a tougher group of people in my life, and that includes cowboys and watermen. They'll fight if it comes down to an existential threat, including the women.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:53 | 1798558 Chump
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You got all your info about the Amish from Kingpin, didn't you?

If you're rural enough the trip out to rob and steal from you will kill your average, starving city slicker.  And even if you make it, you'll be about as menacing as a chigger.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:10 | 1798571 Ralph Spoilsport
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How are they going to get out there if the gas stations are padlocked?

Most Amish farms are easily defendable with long farm lanes leading up to them. Enfilading fire will render urban SUVs into junk and later provide a new chicken coop.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:01 | 1798580 Spanish Lizard
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Maybe the Amish should start giving classes on how to live, the old fashoned way...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:44 | 1798272 Mercury
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Personally I'd like to see most of these people back home but it's hard to believe that internetional trade wouldn't be greatly disrupted -at least in the near term- if the U.S. Navy were not out doing their thing.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:15 | 1798443 earleflorida
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news flash:  china now capable of turning out five [5] nuke subs every three years

retrofitted a russian carrier in less than a 18 month timespan

net cost for the used rusted-out steel/iron carrier ~1mm [us$]

net cost to retrofit with state-of-the-art {american stolen/given [sandy the scared rabbitt?] priceless} intelligence ~ billion yuan

south china sea - check mate!


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:45 | 1798279 TheSilverJournal
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When the USD hyperinflates away, the main export of the US, the USD, will no longer be accepted and the rest of the world will actually get goods when trading with the US instead of paper notes, which will make the rest of the world much better off. Plain and simple.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:45 | 1798280 AcidRastaHead
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What's the relevance of this "My Revolution is better than yours" theme.  All I know is I'd better start hoarding chickens and raising precious metals.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:47 | 1798287 Stoploss
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All i know is, they are not bringing the troops back to celebrate an Iraqi victory.

Me thinks it's about to be 'on' over here. 

Get your popcorn ready.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:50 | 1798305 The Axe
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IN a Zombie apocalypse or a collaspe of fiat currencies !  I will take the USA as a location any day over any in the world...   though I do agree with the statement "more choices-more freedom!"  easy access to booze, gas, ammo...and gold...


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:53 | 1798326 NotApplicable
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Once imprisoned in some foreign land, there won't be easy access to anything.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 01:14 | 1799582 Harlequin001
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As the very polite Thai policeman once said to me whilst pointing to another Thai that had committed the same offence and writing me a ticket,

'He die, no one give a shit. You die, diplomatic incident. You wear helemt, or pay fine..."

But that's me, just a walking, talking diplomatic incident, and enjoying every single minute of it...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:04 | 1798390 AcidRastaHead
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And don't forget, money/currency can always be made through prostitution as there will always be a demand.  Note to self: Create business plan for post-apocalyptic pimp enterprise (refer to sci-fi movies for market research).

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 01:12 | 1799584 Harlequin001
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Maybe it's time for the wife to start contributing to the family coffers?

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 03:56 | 1799649 StychoKiller
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Brothels are always a growth industry -- and cash cows! :>D

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:12 | 1798426 The Axe
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Imprisoned!!!!!! WTF   thats what the guns are for!!!  

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:06 | 1798306 NotApplicable
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If there is social disorder, then the best place to be is within a society you fit into, not being a permanent tourist (PT), where you will stick out like a sore thumb, not being trusted by the locals.

You cannot build a sustainable community when you refuse to be a part of one.

Simon is nothing but a tour guide for the elite who are too immature to survive on anything other than their golden parachutes.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:05 | 1798775 thriftymost
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Maybe, maybe not. I've lived outside my native country (USA) a solid ten years now, and let me tell you: As a foreigner, whoever and wherever, you're either hated or adored.

Strive to make yourself loved, if need be.  It ain't that difficult.


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:05 | 1798962 UP Forester
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In my native country, there's a lot of folks coming UP here with southern accents.  I guess the welfare benefits are better here (while they last), but after the SHTF, they're gonna use up a lot of ammo.  When they're freezing they're asses off in the middle of winter and they're belly-buttons are itching they're spine, and they don't know how to fend for themselves in snow that's asshole deep to a helluva tall Indian, it's gonna get nasty....

I guess what I'm trying to say is if you don't know how to survive in the climate you're planning on moving to, with little to no outside help, you're gonna be just as screwed as if you move to a foreign land with a lot of people who don't like you....

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:51 | 1798311 StavropolJames
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I live in Russia and have great faith that Russians will survive economic hardship using the skills they honed over the years.  I'm trying hard to learn the skills my neighbours have but I've got a long way to go.

A few years ago, I read an article in a western publication that ridiculed Russia by pointing out that many Russians have to get by growing food on their dachas every year.  I see this as a great strength these people have. Whereas the great majority of Russians are capable of taking care of themselves without help from the government, most westerns are not.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:52 | 1798320 Mark123
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This is a bit too simplistic.  I think when this global ponzi collapses countries that rely heavily on cheap labor and exports will hurt the the USA in the 30's. 


I agree that Chile looks good right now, but I know people that fled Chile not that long ago - it was not a nice place at all.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:55 | 1798336 Use of Weapons
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Hate to say it but Orlov said the same thing, just a little bit better. ClubOrlov: The Five Stages of Collapse



Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:56 | 1798341 HL Shancken
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Sovereign Man? Nowhere Man is more like it.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:07 | 1798406 NotApplicable
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LOL, good one!


He's a real nowhere man.

Sitting in his nowhere land.

Making all his nowhere plans for nobody

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:19 | 1798453 caerus
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beatles are da shit

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:57 | 1798343 Long-John-Silver
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Won't The Rest Of The World Be Even Worse?


Will a 3 legged table stand upright if one of the legs is broken?


The (economic) world is divided into three major areas. East, West, and the Third World Nations. You can take out a few nations in the Third World such as Zimbabwe and Argentina but more than a couple at a time and they all fall. Any single nation in the East or West will take them down. Take any of them out and they all go down like a 3 legged table.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:08 | 1798409 AnAnonymous
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No. The US world order is one of extortion and farming. It is pyramidal.

Beheading the head of a pyramid does not cause a collapse.

It is the story of extorters to claim that the outcome of their demise will be a sour one for the extorters. Reality is that extorted can have it better, same or worse. Open outcome.

Predetermined outcome is when the extorter is deprived of the extorted. Extorter is always worse off. Never as well, never better off.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:47 | 1799769 BigJim
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Good lord, an intelligent contribution from AnAnonymous. And not a single mention of the hated 'US Citizens'!

Well done.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:20 | 1798458 earleflorida
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only unless you agree that the chicken  does come first,... screw the egg 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:57 | 1798346 Whoa Dammit
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There will be some real "killer barbeque" in Mongolia once it is turned into the world's dumping ground for nuclear waste. Maybe that's what Slimey Simey's private placements he's trying to get a piece of while in Mongolia are about.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 14:00 | 1805133 matrix2012
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10/15/2011: Mongolia abandons nuclear waste storage plans, informs Japan of decision

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:59 | 1798363 Schmuck Raker
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I gave this post a '2' because I really like the way Sovereign Man

always double spaces his paragraphs.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:13 | 1798432 NotApplicable
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Makes it read like a list of hostage demands.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:02 | 1798377 bill1102inf
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The answer to this question lies more in what the United States is Really Worth. Its ACTUAL intrinsic value. Not via the nonsensical fake fraudulent 'debt' money.  


Should the United States ever get it together and throw out the illegal banking cartel running our country, and issue its OWN NATIONAL currency, things will turn around instantly.


If we add aspects of what WE could do as a partial resource based economy, coupled with non debt instrument money, we will be returned to a global powerhouse 10-100X more powerful than we are now.


End the Fed.

Discharge the debt.

Print new US currency.

Move some resources from private to public.

Its as simple as that if you want America to be great again.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:03 | 1798383 HamyWanger
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I totally admit the interests of having, say, a holding company incorporated in another country to evade taxes, or your gold in a foreign country to avoid confiscation via different means, such as taxation, but this globe-trotter bullshit about foreign communities has to stop.

If your goal is to "survive" social disintegration or food shortages, what makes you think you will be more secure in some shitty third-world country? 

Get a farm in Montana for $60k and grow your fucking potatoes here for nothing instead of wasting your money on plane fares and visa runs. 

I'll teach Black a thing. When there are food shortages in third-world countries, the first thing starving people do is to go the countryside and stick a blade in the ass of all the rich gringos who live in gated communities. 

It's funny: on one side you have south-African Whites whose sole dream is to get away of this shithole of a country, and on the other you have emotionnally insecure, anarcho-capitalist lunatics like Simon Black who live in a fairy world where borders, races, cultures, nations and visa runs don't exist whose sole goal is to do exactly the reverse. 

By the way, I don't understand why Black changes his location every week instead of developing his Chilean community. Maybe he has deep pockets... 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:13 | 1798417 The Axe
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Hamy...we missed your trolling.....:)    

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:17 | 1798445 AnAnonymous
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If your goal is to "survive" social disintegration or food shortages, what makes you think you will be more secure in some shitty third-world country?

Get a farm in Montana for $60k and grow your fucking potatoes here for nothing instead of wasting your money on plane fares and visa runs.

I'll teach Black a thing. When there are food shortages in third-world countries, the first thing starving people do is to go the countryside and stick a blade in the ass of all the rich gringos who live in gated communities.


The trouble with this is that it does not address the article's points.

US downfall would free resources. In order to appease itself and bribe its own population, US is draining its exterior, increasing tensions within the exterior.

Events wont happen at the same time. If US goes down, Chile wont go down at the same. On the contrary, it will provide them with more opportunities as resources used to sustain the US blob will be freed.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:41 | 1799622 StavropolJames
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What's your definition of "some shitty third-world country"?  Would that be a place without Starbucks or 30 minute  pizza delivery? 

I think everyone with their eyes open can see what's in store for American people in the not too distant future simply by looking at what the government has been putting in place.  FEMA camps, shredded constitution, militarized police, nixed Posse Comitatus, spying on citizens, committees that decide for you if you are eligible for health care and on and on.  When the collapse comes, the leadership will be the same and it will be under their terms that your existence is granted.

There are a lot of countries in the world that are not as "advanced" as America with regard to the above.  If you believe new benevolent leadership will arise from the collapse, then America would be a great place to live.  I have my doubts.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:27 | 1798488 NotApplicable
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Hamy, you should get an alt for serious posts, as it detracts from your character. ;-)

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:57 | 1798567 LFMayor
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+1.  Simon will get introduced to la machet first time things get tight.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:06 | 1798400 JustObserving
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It is not a question of if the US goes - it is a question of when.  Debt is $14.8 trillion, Unfunded liabilties are $116 trillion and they are growing at $8.6 trillion a year (  It may take a year or two for the US to implode but it is inevitable as death and taxes and exponential growth.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:11 | 1798413 Hannibal
Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:12 | 1798424 Texas Ginslinger
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Simon,  what is your wife doing when you are away..??

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:12 | 1798428 Stevious
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"Hardly anyone grows food, knows anything about automobile maintenance, generates their own electricity, or can actually 'make' something by hand."

Very true, and very sad.  However underlying this are auto making companies moving towards forcing you to their garages--touch something and you get lock-down.  If they have their way, you will not get the codes to shut off such security devices.

Also, recently my favorite electric clothes iron died.  Though there was not a screw to be found (all ultrasonically welded) I did manage to get it apart and indeed, it was as I expected, the motion sensing switch had failed, permanently shutting it down.  But then eventually I gave up.  It would have taken me hours to find alternative ways to put it back together and a new one at $29 won out.

As far as food, check out S-510 (Patriot act for food, aka Death of Farms Bill).  As far as I know it never passed, (correct me if I'm wrong) but the Agraking has his eyes on anyone impertinent enough to grow (and try to sell, even at a roadside stand) any food.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:28 | 1798484 Money 4 Nothing
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This POS passed, it went through on a late night vote. My family are farm owners and I followed it closley and we are ignoring it. It was guised as a food "safety Bill" yea.. right.


 It's to strangle small Farms with Regulation / fees / penalties etc.. To get rid of competition to Big Agra like saaay.. Monsanto.


Mon, 10/24/2011 - 15:29 | 1805508 matrix2012
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@ Money 4 Nothing, thanks for the Natural News link!


Readers, when you being there, don't miss this one's concerning YOUR LIFE! YOUR HEALTH!!!

Foods, cosmetics and vaccines all widely formulated with toxic smoothing agents (emulsifiers)

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:37 | 1798499 tgatliff
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Not growing your own food is not sad.  In fact, it is a critical aspect of an productivity based economy.   Let someone else grow it much more efficiently that you could ever dream of doing it, and you spend your time working on your own specialty skill to offer the world.   Meaning, you get your food cheaper, and he gets whatever specialty skills you have to offer in return.    I would agree, however, that if you are simply a trader, then you would have no skills to offer...  History is clear that speculating was not a skill.... 

I would also agree that it makes no sense to "fix" a iron that costs $29 to buy a new one, but even if it costed more it makes no productive sense for you to spend hours bypassing a simple mercury switch when your neighbor could do it in in about 30 seconds.    Maybe next time you might want to consider asking him to fix it for you, and in return you offer him some of your unique skills??   This is what the basis of a fundamental productivity based economy is after all....


Also, S-510 didnt pass, but unfortunately HR 2751 did.   Just another shameless tax to enlarge the bloated FDA budget further...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:14 | 1798438 Are you kidding
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Fucking Mongolia?  The place sucks, I'd rather fight it out in Detroit than move to fucking Mongolia.  You'll be accepted REAL good over there.  I knew a girl form much a "user" as American girls.  Looking for a sugar daddy.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:21 | 1798465 HamyWanger
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Mongolia isn't even a country in the true sense. It will have been re-annexed by China by 2020. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:18 | 1798830 thriftymost
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Annexation is American and archaic.

The Chinese trade for the things they want, instead of stealing them.  So no need to annex Mongolia.

Maybe America will annex Canada.  By, for example, making Harper PM.  What's that you say?  Oh yeah, aleady taken care of.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:54 | 1799773 BigJim
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I don't think many Tibetans would agree with you.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 16:27 | 1805820 matrix2012
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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:26 | 1798469 entropos
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What a pretentious fuck. 



Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:39 | 1798526 Toolshed
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What a bull shit sales pitch. I do mean pathetic. Simon seems to think that all Westerner's are as weak and useless as he is. How sad. He missed this one very important statistic - what nation has the highest percentage of gun ownership per capita? The answer is obvious of course. Why should I raise chickens in my back yard when I can go over to Simon's house and take all his shit? Which is EXACTLY what the Chilean natives will do as soon as they find out a bunch of weenies like Simon live at the top of THEIR mountain.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:31 | 1798863 thriftymost
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what nation has the highest percentage of gun ownership per capita? The answer is obvious of course.

Obviously, as you imply, Switzerland.  Where every adult male has undergone military training and has a gun at home, ready for use at a moment's notice.

Gun ownership coupled with restraint have kept the Swiss free for hundreds of years.

America's a bit younger, and missing a critical part of the equation.

And not as free, either.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:13 | 1799462 FeralSerf
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Private  gun ownership is much higher in Finland.  Most of the Swiss guns are owned by the State.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:46 | 1798542 Bansters-in-my-...
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How could the whole world not be better off  without the US.

See... Even the letters US, STANDS FOR me,me,me.

Self serving interest in a team player world.


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:46 | 1798543 mynhair
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Gonna be funny when jet-A becomes unobtainium, and you are stuck in Mongolia.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:13 | 1798815 FeralSerf
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Cessna recips will rule again.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:48 | 1798545 defencev
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 US is ,in fact, a self-sufficient place that produces enough food and energy to survive any world-wide calamity. There will be no default in US and unlike what this absolute f...cking shit try to brainwash you in, US is not in dire fiscal situation.

Remove Bernanke, defeat Marxist Obama and fiscal situation in US will improve drastically. If you do not believe me, listen to Ron Paul. This SOB is absolute

f...cking fraud who is just lying all the way. Believe me this shit is uncapable of making a penny by doing something productive. Fucking, miserable shit.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 16:55 | 1798562 LFMayor
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Fuckola.  Tyler, is this guy your brother in law or something?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:17 | 1798620 gnomon
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Simon Black has the stench of smarminess about him.  He is the Class President that no one could stand, (even the do-gooder teachers). And that said, he does indeed come off as pitiful.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:22 | 1799014 SoNH80
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"I boarded the 3:15 autogiro to Siam, where I met my man in Bangkok, Mr. Chang, who wheeled up in his Silver Spur to collect me at the gold dealer's....." 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:33 | 1798658 toady
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A thought has come to mind and I believe the author may have some ideas, or maybe some readers;

Where is the largest concentration of billionaires in a remote location? Not primary residences, but third or fourth, private island like places...

If there is a place like that, I'm thinking that if there is large-scale collapse the US military will protect a small community of the richest, who will jet in to their pre-arrainged hideouts.

Any thoughts? I'd like to be there before the shit hits the fan...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:24 | 1799020 SoNH80
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Try Downeast Maine.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:56 | 1799776 BigJim
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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 17:36 | 1798685 z123
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there is no short or long in currencies, what you see as short EUR/USD is a long USD/EUR

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:07 | 1798783 DosZap
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Ah,Simon,Simon, you make my heart bleed.

This is one of the many, many benefits of having multiple citizenships, it certainly makes travel much more convenient. More options always mean more freedom.

In order to have multiple citizenships, (real citizenships), are only for the Uber Wealthy.

Getting   taken In, as in having a passport for these multiple countries, can start at $200k ea, and go upwards of $500k each.

Most here are really lucky if they have a million bucks.(to pay 200k+ for that EXCLUSIVE club Med ability is far beyond most folks means.)

Esp if they want anything left to live on after.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 00:57 | 1799569 steve from virginia
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Black never gives any real info about any of these countries he's supposed to be in, notice?

I seem to recall seeing one of the Caribbean islands selling citizenships for $75k. Not bad. This was online so anyone can find it if they are interested. Of course any US trust territory is open to all US citizens: Virgin Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, etc.

Countries that were once US colonies or were countries US fought in to defend are very pro-American such as Philippines and S. Korea. Japan would be great but too radioactive w/ govt worse than Hitler's. If you don't speak Japanese you are SOL since English is hard to learn for Japanese and too few Americans emigrate to Japan to make it worth their while to learn.

If you have relatives overseas or ancestry and can prove it a passport can be had at very low cost. If your relatives are from a European country, citizenship in one is as good as citizenship in the others because of the EU.

Places that have sent numbers of emigres to the US to work generally like Americans and won't hack you with machetes. On the other hand, the friendliest people I've met traveling overseas are Colombians with few Colombian cab drivers or lawn mowers. Maybe it's the coke ...

Peruvians and Ecuadorians are cool, too. I once walked from one side of Quito to the other. I was definitely a curiosity there but was also a curiosity doing the same in Brooklyn.

A lot safer walking in Lima or NYC than in Rome, FWIW ...

Most South Americans are super-friendly and curious, even if the government are terrible. Most of the countries have had juntas, or ineffectual puppet rulers. A problem is the US propaganda mill which decides for you whom is 'good' and whom else is 'evil'. Disfavored governments are equated to Castro. The upside is the governments are so bad, the people pretty much ignore them, having learned the lessons of the indigenous people who a) don't speak Spanish or Portuguese, b) have their own communities and customs and c) don't have much to do with the countries' national economies.

A good place to go to is Italy: the economy will collapse and the Italians will shrug. This is also what the Greeks and the rest will do as well: they have their families and ... great food, great wine, and beautiful, interesting places to live in. The provincials are the ones who never riot or complain, only the 'cosmopoles' and the ambitious who want the 'luxury jobs' as seen on TV. Every one of these  -- from Syria to Yemen to China to Brussels -- will get what they deserve -- zero -- and in some places a bullet in the head.

The people who will suffer most will be the (insufferable) French and German 'business types' who believe they are god's chosen people and that all other folks are shit. The EU ponzi was their pet project, a scheme to get the other European countries to pay what amounts to a 'being alive tax' to them. Nice wine in France, however but don't much like the food.

 A lot of Americans go to France for the healthcare. Many countries desire retiring American emigres because of the Social Security. It's a hard currency despite the nonsense about it found on the Internet. I personally know permanent residents in S. American countries who are SS recipients: it's simple enough to ask at a consulate of a country you like.

One thing that doesn't work in many countries is the USA lifestyle: don't think you can go to Chile and buy a car, house in suburbs, etc. Cars cost two or three times as much as in the US, fuel is bad and very expensive, there is no insurance or reliable repair, roads are bad mostly, housing can be primitive and TV unwatchable. Nothing on god's green earth is as bad as Italian TV.

If you aren't old enough for Social, a disability might work just as well. Good places for retirees are Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama...

Stay away from Russians, they all want to be little Al Capones. Never live in a country with Chechen bodyguards.



Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:25 | 1799620 AnAnonymous
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I stopped when I read that South Koreans were super friendly to US citizens.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:09 | 1798975 rwl160
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thank god i passed on my student loan..for a degree in under ground basket weaving, and became a plumber... shit always runs down hill...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:44 | 1799077 zippy_uk
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Do you read FERFALs blog ?

He has decided to relocate from Argentina (must have sold enough books to do this) and has anounced his preferred destination. Northen Ireland... thats in the UK. He wants to live in the outskirts of Belfast on the basis it has enough population surrounded by enough countryside.

Myself, I would never want to live in Belfast as that is were 85% of the bigots in the UK live. They also are good with guns, bombs and proficient rioters.Better off in London. Looking at the history books, UK was one of the first out of the great depression (1930s) and London / South East the first parts of the UK to recover.

The really interesting part is that 10 years after Argentina collapsed, FERFAL thinks it still best to leave even as a native Argentinian. That to me think that the recovery is going to take a very long time.

If I were a Greek person (Portugeuse / Italian / Spanish) I would get his book and start preparing NOW.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:51 | 1799224 Use of Weapons
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In the 1930's, GB still had a lot of colonies, not to mention the entire Commonwealth.

Try moving towards the Suez crisis for a realistic expectation of GB over-seas influence. GB has nukes - 74 million people crammed in and the City of London [which, for all intents and purposes, can be considered a separate state at this point]. Although most have no idea about it, GB is walking along a knife's edge, desperately refunding Trident (amongst major opposition) to remain 'relevant' to the modern world. Trident = security seat. Our NATO presence is fucked, given we shot a few tomahawks at Libya then had to travel back to re-arm [and used... what was it? 16% in one ship's battery?] not to mention that our Iraq / Afgan experience has not only bank-rupted the DoD, but has put the TA into places they never could imagine (with future repercussions there).

Oh, and the Scots are devolving. [Triple meaning intended]


N.Ire? Damn, must be smoking some good crack there [points if you know the Irish phrase]. Dublin is at least friendly.



p.s. This is Bungle, mother-fucker. How's it been with you since Rainbow ended?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:24 | 1802416 zippy_uk
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OK - a few points on this:

* UK wealth is not based on a bunch of overseas colonies - that all ended in 1945

* We have always been on a knife edge - 3 hot meals away from starvation - but we always find a way.

* We have done austerity before, successfully several times, one of which ran from 1945 to 1961. Of course Suez was during this period of weakness, and was due not to military weakness but due to the Ecomonic power of the US whose loans we depended on. (US owes UK in todays times).

* The city is a different place to the rest of the UK but don't be naive. We have world class manufucturing - none of it in London. Then there is the universities and the associated world class research that goes with it - not just Oxford and Cambridge

* The Scots don't like Labour or the Tories - but the SNP is very careful not to call a referenum on independance for Scotland because it knows it will lose it. SNP policy is to - wait for it - join the EURO. No-way Scotts will vote for that.

* It is true we are cutting our military spending - but the carriers we continue to build are second only to the US in terms of caperbility, the Typhoon fighter is a world class 5th Gernation fighter and because of Trident (which we have, and will continue to have) even China would think twice about starting a war with us as we could park a trident sub 50km from the Chinese coast which they would never find.

* There are 65, not 74 million people in the UK.

Seems to me you know FUCK ALL about the UK.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 19:48 | 1806430 Use of Weapons
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Sorry, I missed this.




- You mentioned "the UK getting out of the great depression". Thus, 1930's. When we did have colonies.

- We've not always been on a knife's edge. There's been many times in the UK history where we controlled vast tracts of Europe [France with the Henry's, Spain with the Wellington's] and we owned 1/3 of the world. Grow the fuck up, we're not a basket case.

- We did austerity then because the entire world was fucked.

- World class manufacturing? I'm guessing you're talking about arms? Although, yes, I agree with you about the top #10 Unis - at least Oxford, Cambridge, Warwick, Durham, Emperial. [Of which, I went to two - go me!]

- Scotland is fucked atm - different post

= LOLOLOLOLOL. Ok. Carriers - er. We cancelled them. Typhoon? Er.. think more the Euro Fighter, $1.7 bill over budget and now totally obsolete. Trident (as I already stated) is the only reason we have a security council seat. As for "war with China" ... er... why bother when they can buy us out?

- 74. You're reading the wrong statistics my young fellow.  Oh, wait. Are you relying on permanent residents? Ok... how... naive.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:10 | 1799143 MBOB
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As long as you're in Ulan Bataar, do watch out for "Toxic Bob" and the mining bunch.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 05:43 | 1799693 chindit13
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You work for Ivanhoe?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:55 | 1799230 Fozzy Slippers
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Alot of Americans are terminaly ill idiots and morally bankrupte. That's why they made all those plastic FEMA coffins. Christ 63% of the voting public put Barry into office. What's that tell you? Allot of useless eaters will be gone. And that's a good thing.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:57 | 1799528 CuriousPasserby
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Years ago I had a friend who said if there were ever a depression one should move to Chad, since life there wouldn't change a bit.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:04 | 1799605 deebee
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Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:24 | 1799802 Golden monkey
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Very interesting BS callers angry posts around.

Sure, there is (probably some) BS in Simon's rant, but...







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