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Yeah, sorry Simon. Do not agree. He didn't make life better for everyone. Everyone keeps reusing the quote about not believing in a dogma, but what is Apple itself? A brand loyally followed by the 'in crowd' that believes true wealth is debt and ipads.
About par for the course in our society.
Craapl is the ULTIMATE dogma now. Neologism..."cultimate." That is Craapl.
Back off from my new friend!
The P1r@te B@y did more to improve my life than being Jobbed by a bunch of iHoles with crAAPL.
steve jobs lived in a time when corporations did NOT engage in massive anti-competitive practices like patent abuse, to kill all competition. the 'internet' was not copyrighted, apple/microsoft was not sued for taking ideas from xerox os/unix commandline os, and there were no patent wars between apple and samsung. steve lived in a time when apple didn't try to control every aspect of the user experience, when the youth of their generation had great mobility to freely innovate, there were no leveraged buyouts to rob genius creations from their creators, so anyone could start a business from their garage without the support of VC.
fast forward 35 years, what steve did is just not possible in the world we live in today.
Who/What is "simon black". Some kind of machine that's programmed to spew out horseshit on any and all issues?
Simon Black is charlatan who is programmed to free sheeple from its cash.
Steve Jobs is indeed great entrepreneur and I agree with everything that is said in the article about him. Those whining idiots who mostly posted in this thread are just jerks and unproductive mediocraties who would like to explore and steal other people ideas but uncapable of anything meaningful. Therefore, they are reduced to posting on this website complaining about bangsters, corporations, Jews, Marksists, Ive League schools etc etc which makes their life difficult (or so they like to think). What makes their life difficult is their own worthlessness, lazyness and idiocy.
But make no mistake: charlatans like Simon Black are not here to create value or do anything useful for that matter. No I would ever believe that jerks like him are capable of making any money: his travel is probably sponsored by some wealthy idiots around whom he likes to hang out. The very same idiots fund all his so called "projects" (like bunkers in Chile) which make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
you cab't blame someone for creating something so mesmerizing that a cult develops around it. The human capacity for cultishness is not Jobs's creation nor his problem. He created amazing things and people tripped over themselves to have them.
Hitler also created mesmerizing cult.
Kock bros also created mesmerizing cult.
Steve Jobs = Foxxconn slave labor. He did create some cool shit from slave labor unlike banksters who create just big numbers.
Or Executives who create nothing but still get paid from layoffs.
I can't believe all the hatred and animosity directed toward Steve Jobs around here. For a website that fights the status quo, I'd think Steve Jobs would be a hero amongst you guys. Whether you like his products or not, whether you think Apple cultists are consumer zombies or not, one cannot argue that Steve Jobs changed the fucking world. What have YOU done lately? The guy dropped out of college, started Apple from his garage, resurrected it from bankruptcy and, in short order, created the most valuable company on Earth. He's the most anti-status quo of any CEO in modern business. That alone, should command your respects.
There is a core group of ZH'ers that just fucking hates everything, and it's pathetic.
Ya know, I usually find your comments to be pathetic. But this time, I find myself agreeing with you. Go figure.
You still can't recognize that the people here are individuals rather than a collective that thinks the same way about everything?
You think you are smart, but you can't even understand something so simple. Perhaps you are not as smart as you think, hmm?
You are welcome to troll here as long as you want! We won't kick you off like the Huff Po did!
Uh, you are one of the people here who hates everything that is not from your own mouth.
Steve Jobs was the status quo!. He could be designing $5,000 ladies handbags and that is as much difference as he made in the world of corporatocracy. He was a champion of modern CEO governance.
Most of ZH disagrees with central planning. Apple is probably the most secretive and authoritarian central planner of the IT industry. Jobs created some great things, but the way they were implemented were anathema to the founding spirit of the Internet, which believes in free and equal access for all. Jobs was the quintessential late Boomer; idealistic and creative as a youth, a tyrant in mid-life. Like the rest of the Boomers Jobs was always convinced of the superiority of his vision, and once he had the power to implement it he did so without compassion and a "ends justifies the means" mentality.
I would say that most ZH readers view Jobs as I do; with a certain respect for his innovations and accomplishments and an absolute dismay for most of the results.
excellent post. He sums up the idealistic hypocrisy of his generation
"He didn't make life better for everyone."
Oh no he just worked the arbitrage. He made life much better for his customers. He treated them like kings and queens. He just had to fuck over labor like a crazy to do it. Make no mistake about it. Apple customer service is excellent. Make no mistake about it either. Working in one of his mob ruled sweatshop plants is tragic as fuck.
The thing is the hidden intel connection. When apple dumped their old processor for Intel. They got in bed. Foxconn is pretty much Intel's suicide hotline mess on steroids. Apple just helped make it work. In exchange apple lied their asses off about intel processor sales and helped make intel's book fudging look legitimate. By the time the entire fucking truth about those two comes out in not just india but china and taiwan both those companies will have shell game 14 companies deep to stay in the market.
Apple's sandy bridge sales figures are just fucking hilarious. Even with the big chipset boner. They still got in there and lied their fucking ass off.
no one forced them to work there. at least they had jobs.
Are you sure?
Right. Like nobody is forced to work at the Fukushima Daiichi Power Plant. The yakuza only finds people that really want to be there!
Sick of that fucking stat. Guess what genius do some homework. There are 1 Million workers at Foxconn...that means that they killed themselves at the rate 1.4 per 100,000 workers. In college the suicide stat runs 7.5 suicides per 100,000 students each year. If suicides are such a concern, you should probably hop off of ZH and find a college blog and start your campaign there.
Maybe Simon can cruise over to Foxconn and see how the gold is priced.
Oh, I see; we should create more jobs in slave labour compounds in China, and this will help the American Economy. What an interesting concept.
Not even close to 145 are you?
I'll bet you know the suicide rate at Foxconn.
Do you know what it is at Sony, Japan or China? Do you know what it is at Toyota, Japan or China or the USA? Do you know what it is for all of China? How about Samsung? GE China? The Zerohedge readership?
Ever wonder why you don't know or don't care?
I was never a big fan of Apple products, but a couple of obscure choices he made:
are, in retrospect, staggeringly brilliant and sophisticated.
He didn't seem like someone you'd want to know, but he sure delivered the goods.
Amen brother, amen. AND I'm atheist.
Bury jobs in China along with all the jobs he created.
Exactly. How could ANYONE be crazy enough to celebrate the business model of this Capitilist Monster who was willing and eager to send his countries money away to support slave labour compounds in China. The complete lack of rational thought is astonishing. Of course, I suppose 60% of the readership have no idea that I-junk is made in China.
I guess we should bring all those jobs back to our hypocritical union workers so we can pay for Soviet quality engineering at 10 times the cost we pay now. As long as taxes remain as high and the central planners interfere in the markets on a daily basis labor will NEVER come back to America.
Actual taxes paid by large companies in the United States are at generational lows as a percentage of earnings, ffart. The argument to the contrary is pure propaganda, but nice job repeating it for your corporate masters.
I have said many many times before and I am saying it one more time. Apple is the worst form of corporate greed. Thank you very much.
Really? I can think of many forms that are worse, from foreclosing banks to mass murdering chemical companies, to fascist mercinary contractors. What bad did Apple ever do, other than employ a few children (ie keeping them from starving or prostituting themselves).
Worse than banksters? Hmmmmm
Steve Jobs showed time and time again that the best way to improve people’s lives is to create value and be productive.
From Ann Coulter:
“I am not the first to note the vast differences between the Wall Street protesters and the tea partiers. To name three: The tea partiers have jobs, showers and a point.”
So Ann Coulter is part of the Fascist Establishment now? Who knew?
I did. I'd still bang her someplace very uncomfortable.
I wouldn't even let that slut work for me.
You would? "It's a MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! Baby!"
- Stephanie Miller (her, I'd bang in all places)
Stop the bullshit. Steve Jobs was brilliant. Chinese commie capitalist manufacturing - Foxconn - is half of the story. Mr. Bullshit artist with a forum in which to bullshit plays political demagogue with Mr. Jobs. what a jerk.
Einstein was brilliant. Thomas Paine was brilliant.
Jobs was blindly followed by a bunch of 20 and 30-something hipsters that have no clue what real wealth, or truth for that matter, even is. Yes, he was an innovator but there were many of those that changed society, and not always for the better...
He has freed me from having to deal with constant crashes, bug fixes, viruses, etc that are constant on Windows machines. That, times the number of people who own Macs, ads up to a shitload of saved effort, which can thus be redirected to other useful ends.
Wait, you avoided those things by using Macs? Man, my power PC (from parents), Cube (from PI), and some other crappy thing with OSX all had crashes and bugs. My PC which I built and clean installed 7 on has yet to crash once and it does everything fast. And I hate MS! Go figure! Oh but don't forget how useful iTunes is! Yeah, another update! Oh, yeah! All my mp3s have been scrambled to protect a bunch of piles of doodoo in the music industry! Yeah! Awesome! Oh, hey, my iPod's battery crapped out. Awesome! Just like every other Apple product, throw it away and buy a new one! Oh noes! The new one has a bad ear plug jack! That's understandible considering a paid a couple hundred bucks for this tiny POS! Guess I'll get another one! Hey, another update since I started typing! AWESOME! I LOVE APPLE AND JOBS! Boohoo, no more being Jobbed by iHoles! Come back!
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