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Guest Post: Ignorance Is Bliss; So Go Back To Sleep

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of A Lightning War For Liberty blog,

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away, and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience.
- John Locke

When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor.
- John Lennon

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
- Jimi Hendrix

Go Back to Sleep
Most of you that are taking the time to read this have already experienced some level of “waking up” over the past several years or longer.  Most of you have also probably felt from time to time that the knowledge you possess is a burden and have fully appreciated the meaning of “ignorance is bliss.”  I know this because I have felt these very same emotions at times.  The most important thing to remember; however, is that we are just awake individuals within a wave or cycle of awakening.  There were those that came before us and there will be many, many more to come after us.

Last Thursday, I was at Freedom Fest in Vegas for a brief stint and I had the honor to meet and break bread with some of the most influential minds in the Liberty Movement.  As I sat there at the table at Delmonico’s, thoroughly impressed with the intellect, commitment and total sense of purpose of the people around me I became more sure than ever that TPTB don’t stand a chance.  The problem for those control freak clowns is that ten years ago they had at least 95% of the American populace completely asleep.  I would estimate that number at the moment to be around 75%.  If I am  anywhere close to being right, that means that 25% of the population is at least somewhat aware that things aren’t as they appear to be.  They are asking serious questions and looking for serious answers.

Breaking it down even further, I would say that 5% of the population can be described as fully awake and somewhat committed to fully committed.  This is something like 15 million Americans and is more than enough.  Most importantly, once you are truly awakened you never go back to sleep.  In my five years or so in this adventure I have seen the transformative process of many, many people within my personal circle of friends and contacts.  Not ONE, I repeat not ONE of them has ever fallen back into the matrix mindset.  It just doesn’t happen and it reminds me of quotes about truth and lies.  As Mark Twain said “If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.”  Then there is the counter quote from I can’t remember who that “lies require commitment.”  Believe me, they are committed!  That said, too much is coming out now and what TPTB are doing in the markets is desperately manipulating everything so that another wave does not wake up.  There are terrified that this next wave of people will be the tipping point for their control structure.  They are correct but it is coming soon to smack them in the face no matter what they do.

Obama’s Executive Orders…Connecting the Dots
While we all know about the NDAA, which Obama signed into law late last year that opens the door to the incarceration of American citizens without a trial, what is a little less known are a series of Executive Orders signed by our Noble Peace prize winning Assassinator in Chief.  Of particular interest to me are Executive Order 13603, or “The National Defense Resources Preparedness,” and Executive Order 13618,  “The Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions.”  You don’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to get what these EO’s are all about.  The first one basically gives government control of any and all resources it needs (and seemingly the ability to nullify or suspend existing private agreements) “if” there is a national emergency, while the second one does the same for communications.  So essentially our wonderful government that cares about us so very much is setting the stage to take total control (natural resources and the means of communication) whenever this national emergency that they seem to be fully anticipating comes to fruition.  A good summary of all the EO’s can be found here.  They expect the sheeple to be in such a catatonic state of fear and shock that they will beg for daddy government to take away all their rights and ignore the Constitution so that their EBT cards work.  Why else do you think the government is desperately trying to get as many Americans on food stamps as possible?  See my post “The Government is Encouraging More Food Stamp Usage, Calling it “Stimulus”.

Obama Tells Americans “Your Success Wasn’t Yours”
Regular readers understand that I do not believe there is “free market capitalism” in America today.  Sure there are remnants of it left, but increasingly there is simply crony capitalism in which the Federal government partners with large corporate interests to allow them to grow bigger, more powerful and importantly, more dependent on the government itself for its profits and influence.  This is deliberate, just as it is a deliberate plan to get more people on food stamps.  It is all about power and control.  That said, there are still many small businesses and also large business owners that got to where they are through their own blood, sweat, tears as well as intellect and vision.  While the 0.01% financial oligarchs and crony capitalists all over America should be exposed and called out for the traitorous parasites that they are, this should not mean we just lump all successful people into this category.  Yet, this is exactly what our pathological liar President did in his most recent demonstration of verbal diarrhea.  I am sure everyone has already seen this clip, but I am mentioning it nonetheless because it is so significant.  He stated:

Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there… If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.

I mean every time I think this guy can’t hit a new low he manages to achieve one within a week.  No mention of the fact that a top campaign contributor to him, Jon Corzine, is a thieving crook.  Nah, nothing to see here folks. Meanwhile, if you read between the lines of his little tirade (look how angry he looks in the video),  it is clear what he is trying to say.  You are a nobody.  You are nothing without the state and without the good graces of the political elite.  We own you.  If the political leaders in Washington D.C. that produce absolutely nothing but hot air and then steal from you left and right say that you do not even own your own success, then indeed you own nothing.  This fits in perfectly with the Executive Orders I referred to earlier.  The game plan and meme here is obvious.  You are cattle.  The government owns your land and its resources, your success and ultimately your mind.  Are we going to let them have them?


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Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:29 | 2633029 LawsofPhysics
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Don't worry, Robamney is ready to take over- FAIL.  Ron Paul 2012.  End the damn Fed already and end the massive mis-allocation and mal-investment of capital and resources.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:46 | 2633078 Pladizow
Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:58 | 2633146 Xibalba
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they want you to have some high fructose corn syrup and stfu.  

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:12 | 2633204 FEDbuster
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"There is no pain you are receding
A distant ship smoke on the horizon
You are only coming through in waves
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
When I was a child
I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown
The dream is gone
And I have become
Comfortably numb."

Pind Floyd

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:36 | 2633289 LouisDega
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Got any Alans Psychedelic breakfast? I like Marmalade.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:53 | 2633337 hedgeless_horseman
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25% of the population...asking serious questions and looking for serious answers.

I am sorry, but the reality is probably less than 1%. 


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:54 | 2633376 Raymond K Hessel
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I would use the votes for Ron Paul as an indication on the percentage of total Americans and maybe some sort of metric on OWS.

Then I would haircut it.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:00 | 2633428 Raymond K Hessel
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I couldnt wait on the figures... 11% of Republicans voted for Ron Paul.  If you consider that OWS camps held about 100 to 200 people, per Wikipedia, with a haircut, I would say that about 8-10% of Americans are awake versus 25%.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:05 | 2633461 Raymond K Hessel
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By extrapolation, then about 1-2% are fully awake, versus 5%.


That's 3 to 6 million.  Spread out over millions of square miles.  

Thank you DARPA.  We couldn't have met without you. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:08 | 2633480 hedgeless_horseman
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I have not met 1 in a 100 Americans that can give me a serious answer to the question, "Why did we invade Afghanistan, and are still there fighting the longest war in American history?"

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:10 | 2633489 Flakmeister
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For shits and giggles, what is your opinion on the matter?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:32 | 2633510 hedgeless_horseman
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Certainty: Afghanistan sits geographically between China and Iran. Our occupation of Afghanistan means Persian Gulf oil must flow through the sea lanes, which the US still controls, instead of a pipeline through Afghanistan to China.

Hunch: Afghanistan and/or Iran have large amounts of undeveloped shale oil.

The sad truth is that not one in a hundred Americans I have asked can tell me what country is located to the west of Afghanistan.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:43 | 2633619 Flakmeister
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Excellent...we are in agreement but I strongly doubt your hunch is correct...

The fact that you were junked only is proof of your point....

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:04 | 2633687 Flakmeister
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No, I am not...

But you do agree that tight gas and oil was far off the radar screen at the time of the invasion?

You did follow up your links and read this?

Not to get into a pissing match but Exxon and the Western majors are willing to drill any place they can, they are *desperate*...

Exxon has not replaced its *oil* reserves over the past 10 years and is slowly morphing into a NG company...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:40 | 2633821 The Gooch
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Don't forget the POPPY!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:06 | 2634319 Umh
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I've always though that the country to the east of Afganistan was more important; you have given me something to think about.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:15 | 2633514 Raymond K Hessel
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Not in person but online we're all getting to know each other.  Hence, EO to take over communications and shut the internet.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:25 | 2633974 The Gooch
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At least we know we're out there...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:02 | 2634609 Cosimo de Medici
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Despite all the silliness about running drugs or stealing Afghani natural resources (total worldwide wholesale illicit drug revenues barely match the yearly income of Ray Dalio and whoever comes in second in the HF sweepstakes, and a landlocked Afghanistan makes any resource exploitation---especially during a worldwide economic slowdown---problematic), the real reason the US remains in Afghanistan is because Obama has yet to come up with a definition of "victory", which he could then state the US has achieved, enabling America to pack up and go home.  Advising him to remain there is a gaggle of three stars who know it is far easier to get the fourth star in war time than in peace time.

As for the boots on the ground, when has it ever been about them?

By the way, the Iraqi "victory" has left the US with a "saved" country that hates America, and a Shi'ite President doing his best to cull the Iraqi elite of any and all Sunnis.  Oh, and China gets all the oil and offers polite thanks to the American taxpayer.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:45 | 2633625 PiratePawpaw
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I agree, 1% is an optimistic estimate.

95% dont even know that they should be asking questions; much less what the questions or answers are.

75% wouldn't smell fish if you bludgeoned them about the head and shoulders with a live tuna.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:26 | 2634520 Row Well Number 41
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How bout a dead tune?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 05:40 | 2635088 StychoKiller
Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:31 | 2634177 monkeyboy
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Aye. I'm just not seeing the general population (well here in Oz anyways) waking up to anything.

We're still a minority/fringe that see that the game is rigged, the screws are being tightened. The majority still believe the smoke & mirrors charade - housing always goes up, China & the mining boom will lead us into eternal prosperity, the fraud of superannuation, the government is your friend, who's going to win masterchef, etc. blah, blah.

It may happen but it's going to take some (serious turbulance) crash to wake the passengers.

Until then...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:58 | 2634736 Anusocracy
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It is difficult for people to wake up to survival behaviors that they are unable to comprehend.

It's because our genes are harsh mistresses.


Give the Lucky Country a hug for me. I did a 20,000 kilometer bicycle tour there.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:39 | 2633304 THX 1178
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What do you get for pretending the danger's not real?

I know! I know! ...A nice rack of lamb and a new wooly sweater!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:25 | 2634516 Sparkey
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True Bliss is; being completely aware and, with equiminity, facing reality as it presents it's self! Bliss is in your mind, how your mind has been shaped to process reality is what mainly distinguishes us one from the other. Many believe their Ideology will, or could, miraculously create the World they dream of, if only others would believe it and work for it too, these Ideas are noble and selfsacrificing and are important elements in their internal reverie where noblessness and sacrifice are rewards in and of themself's, as they await that greater reward the ideology often promises all true believers.

Instinct motivates all life on Earth, I state that as a trueism because my observations of the life around me, after having being processed through the shapings of my consciousness, confirms that to me, other men, with other shaping, may reach different conclusions! I'm "OK" with that, no proselytizer me, follow your own instincts.



Fri, 07/20/2012 - 02:09 | 2634974 Clashfan
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A fantastic cover of "CN" by The Bad Plus.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:20 | 2633230 Not Too Important
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"There were those that came before us and there will be many, many more to come after us."

No, no there won't.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:17 | 2633524 XitSam
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Fukushima is the imaginings of a ghost.  After Chernobyl and the above ground nuclear tests everyone died.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:48 | 2634573 Anusocracy
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As they article states: Ignorance is bliss - especially about radiation exposure.


The conventional approach for radiation protection is based on the ICRP's linear, no threshold (LNT) model of radiation carcinogenesis, which implies that ionizing radiation is always harmful, no matter how small the dose. But a different approach can be derived from the observed health effects of the serendipitous contamination of 1700 apartments in Taiwan with cobalt-60 (T1/2 = 5.3 y). This experience indicates that chronic exposure of the whole body to low-dose-rate radiation, even accumulated to a high annual dose, may be beneficial to human health. Approximately 10,000 people occupied these buildings and received an average radiation dose of 0.4 Sv, unknowingly, during a 9–20 year period. They did not suffer a higher incidence of cancer mortality, as the LNT theory would predict. On the contrary, the incidence of cancer deaths in this population was greatly reduced—to about 3 per cent of the incidence of spontaneous cancer death in the general Taiwan public. In addition, the incidence of congenital malformations was also reduced—to about 7 per cent of the incidence in the general public. These observations appear to be compatible with the radiation hormesis model. Information about this Taiwan experience should be communicated to the public worldwide to help allay its fear of radiation and create a positive impression about important radiation applications. Expenditures of many billions of dollars in nuclear reactor operation could be saved and expansion of nuclear electricity generation could be facilitated. In addition, this knowledge would encourage further investigation and implementation of very important applications of total-body, low-dose irradiation to treat and cure many illnesses, including cancer. The findings of this study are such a departure from expectations, based on ICRP criteria, that we believe that they ought to be carefully reviewed by other, independent organizations and that population data not available to the authors be provided, so that a fully qualified epidemiologically-valid analysis can be made. Many of the confounding factors that limit other studies used to date, such as the A-bomb survivors, the Mayak workers and the Chernobyl evacuees, are not present in this population exposure. It should be one of the most important events on which to base radiation protection standards.


UMass researcher points to suppression of evidence on radiation effects by 1946 Nobel Laureate

AMHERST, Mass. – University of Massachusetts Amherst environmental toxicologist Edward Calabrese, whose career research shows that low doses of some chemicals and radiation are benign or even helpful, says he has uncovered evidence that one of the fathers of radiation genetics, Nobel Prize winner Hermann Muller, knowingly lied when he claimed in 1946 that there is no safe level of radiation exposure.

Calabrese's interpretation of this history is supported by letters and other materials he has retrieved, many from formerly classified files. He published key excerpts this month in Archives of Toxicology and Environmental and Molecular Mutagenesis.

Muller was awarded the 1946 Nobel Prize in medicine for his discovery that X-rays induce genetic mutations. This helped him call attention to his long-time concern over the dangers of atomic testing. Muller's intentions were good, Calabrese points out, but his decision not to mention key scientific evidence against his position has had a far-reaching impact on our approach to regulating radiation and chemical exposure.

Calabrese uncovered correspondence from November 1946 between Muller and Curt Stern at the University of Rochester about a major experiment that had recently evaluated fruit fly germ cell mutations in Stern's laboratory. It failed to support the linear dose-response model at low exposure levels, but in Muller's speech in Oslo a few weeks later he insisted there was "no escape from the conclusion that there is no threshold." To Calabrese, this amounts to deliberate concealment and he says Stern raised no objection.

Calabrese adds, "This isn't an academic debate, it's really practical, because all of our rules about chemical and low-level radiation are based on the premises that Muller and the National Academy of Sciences' (NAS) committee adopted at that time. Now, after all these years, it's very hard when people have been frightened to death by this dogma to persuade them that we don't need to be scared by certain low-dose exposures."

Within a year after Muller and his group persuaded the NAS to accept the linear model for gonadal mutations, the practice was extrapolated to somatic cells and cancer. Twenty years later, NAS adopted the linear approach for chemicals. Soon thereafter, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency announced it would use the linear model for risk assessment, Calabrese points out.

Some can accept that even the most distinguished scientists have human failings, he acknowledges. But his view is that "the regulatory research community needs to hear about this. The implications of my findings are that we should revisit our exposure regulations because our regulatory history is founded on a deception. We have seen literally hundreds of thousands of cleanup decisions based on a model that was fraudulently derived. I think we should probably have drastically different exposure standards today, and far less fear."

Calabrese believes, "The die was cast by Muller and regulations adopted since then have gone unchallenged. I think he got his beliefs and his science confused, and he couldn't admit that the science was unresolved. So he went ahead and expressed an opinion about how to handle the public health situation."

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:51 | 2633115 beachdude
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"A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from those who believe it's just a joke.”
Søren Kierkegaard

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:17 | 2633218 sickofthepunx
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just another sorry excuse for a stupid obama rant.

he's a black, kenyan, evil, marxist dicator waiting for hte exact moment to swoop in, steal all of our guns and lock every free-thinking american in a fema camp. yeah... i get it.  for 4.325th time

anyone want to explain to this asshole who paved the way for this abuse of executive power?

and which branch of gov't sits in silence and lets it happen?

just who the fuck is actually asleep here?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:42 | 2633321 KK Tipton
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"Nah, nothing to see here folks. Meanwhile, if you read between the lines of his little tirade (look how angry he looks in the video),  it is clear what he is trying to say.  You are a nobody.  You are nothing without the state and without the good graces of the political elite.  We own you. "

LOL...there it is....


Obama, The Postmodern Coup -- Making of a Manchurian Candidate, by Webster Griffin Tarpley, at The Ralph Nader Library -

One of the scenarios predicted:


One vital ingredient of earlier fascist movements which the Obama agitation so far has lacked is the element of overwhelming grievance, the bitter anger at having been betrayed, the sense of the stab in the back for which there must be retaliation."

"In the third, Obama wins the presidency in November 2008, and then goes on to implement the policies demanded by the Trilateral CFR bankers. Some combination of war, depression, mass privation, economic breakdown, and a general fracturing and dislocation of society result. In the course of this, Obama inevitably disappoints, then betrays, and finally viciously attacks his own base, pitching the lemming legions into acute psychological distress on top of all their other woes. In this scenario, mob action is generated in protest against Obama's betrayal or stab in the back, and a full-blown fascist mass movement, quite possibly of right-wing and racist coloration, results."


Obama is following a script to perfection. This is a totally planned out scenario.
Watch it unfold on the nightly news. A well orchestrated psychodrama.

Read the Tarpley article to see a few of the people behind Obama.
None of this is news to anybody smart. But Tarpley's article puts a lot of it in one place.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:46 | 2634215 Escapeclaws
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Good that you bring up this Tarpley article again after a few days. More people need to see it.

At the same time, the author of this article refers to people waking up. I doubt he had Tarpley in mind. More likely, he had Ayn Rand in mind, or someone with similar views. I'm not sure I would call that "waking up". Tarpley refers to some of these ideologies, such as belief in unfettered free markets, as a form of "false consciousness". This is a Marxist term, but Marx did have a lot of insight and there are increasing numbers of people who feel that his diagnosis (not his prescription or remedy) was right on point, especially in his accounting for financialization as the final stage of capitalism.  There are also those that confuse the kind of free market bartering one sees at lower levels--running the gamut from flea markets to small business--with "capitalism". Fernand Braudel  wisely points out that small business is not capitalism per se, which instead has to do with massive corporations and combines which are actually anti-competition. Point being, there's more than meets the eye in the phrase, "waking up". Perhaps the waking up is more like someone who has collapsed in the desert from heat stroke awakening to find that vultures have devoured his eyes.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:40 | 2633306 beachdude
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"The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.”

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:02 | 2633160 Joe Davola
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RP 2012 - At least one could legally use drugs to switch off reality.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:07 | 2634915 UP Forester
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Has Soma been invented yet?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:11 | 2633196 Colonial Intent
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Comparing the US to the other 29 countries in the OECD

(Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development)

life expectancy at birth (24th),

probability of not reaching the age of 60 (25th),

infant mortality rate (25th),

obesity (30),

practicing physicians per capita (23),

acute care hospital beds per capita (25 out of 29),

psychiatric care beds per capita (25 out of 29).

teenage pregnancy births per 1,000 women aged 15-19 (28 out of 28);

paid maternity leave entitlement as a percentage of annual wage (29/29);

child poverty rate (25/26);

percentage of young people (0-14) living with both parents (21/23);

percentage of young adolescents living with both parents (26/26)

divorce rate (29)

voter turnout for parliamentary elections (29)

female parliamentarians (24); 

press freedom index (26/29);

collective bargaining coverage (24/25);

prisoners per capita (29/29);

child poverty (25/26) 

economic inequality (28/29)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:35 | 2633285's picture

There was a time when the US would top just about every list dealing with wealth and health but the nation was much freer then. The rest of the world looked to America as an example of how to work and live. When we were freer.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:12 | 2633502 Flakmeister
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No it was before the keys to vault were given to looters and the vultures...

Is it any fucking coincidence that the slide in those statistics started under Ronnie's watch?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:47 | 2633630's picture

I'd blame the closing of the gold window, the petrodollar, dollar hegemony, and globalism based on military build ups and outsourcing. All brought to you by your friendly red/blue legislators and regulators with nary a hiccup. Government is the problem.

And for what it's worth I voted for Mondale in the general election after having cast my first vote ever for Jesse Jackson in the '84 primary.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:19 | 2633728 Flakmeister
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No... greedy sociopaths are the problem.... And electing them only makes it worse...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:26 | 2633763's picture

The defining feature of government is a monopoly on the use of force over individuals. How could such a system not be run by sociopaths?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:43 | 2633820 Flakmeister
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You would be intellectually consistent if your reserved some of your diatribes for corporate sociopaths...but based on your posting of fabricated quotes, we know better, eh?

And so instead you point out the obvious and posit some kind of naive world view that denies the problem of greedy sociopaths. Maybe you should figure out a way to deal with sociopaths while respecting the freedoms and rights of the vast majority...

You come up empty handed every time...

I'll give you a hint, the sociopaths were among us before goverment existed... And instead of thinking how a political-economy can succeed, identify the modes of failure...You'll make progress that way...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:46 | 2633843's picture

You refuse to understand that one can act voluntarily or by compulsion and that voluntary interaction is moral and efficient whereas the use of violence is not. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:16 | 2633946 Flakmeister
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And you fail in exactly the same way that disciples of Communism failed, by failing to account for the imperfection of man...

You live in a ivory tower built on a pile of sand..

And to top things off, you are a lieing sack of shit....

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:29 | 2634065's picture


And you fail in exactly the same way that disciples of Communism failed, by failing to account for the imperfection of man...


And who runs the government? Pigeons?


But thanks for clarifying your position: Individual human beings are sinful and must be brought into line by a sacred elite through ministrations of the lash.


And please learn how to spell "lying." You sound like an idiot.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:45 | 2635755 phalfa5
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thinking it started earlier than that...  The Peanut Farmer of the United States ? ...New Deal?  ...creation of the "independent" Federal Reserve Bank ?...... the romans, greeks ...  pharohs of Egypt?... 

aww    nvm

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:43 | 2633311 Karl von Bahnhof
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Press freedom index

And female parliamentarians... Cant stand it anymore. / sniff

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:29 | 2633031 blunderdog
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With a guy THIS BADASS involved in the Liberty Movement,  we've got nothing to worry about.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:50 | 2633105 BLOTTO
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RAGE against the MACHINE

- Settle For Nothing

Read my writing on the wall
No-ones here to catch me when I fall
***If ignorance is bliss, then knock the smile off my face***

If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
Settle for nothing now
And well settle for nothing later

If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
Well settle for nothing now
And well settle for nothing later


(play it at volume 10)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:01 | 2633155 CrimsonAvenger
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Or try this kickass Kansas song:

Can I tell you something
Got to tell you one thing
If you expect the freedom
That you say is yours
Prove that you deserve it
Help us to preserve it
Or being free will just be
Words and nothing more

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:28 | 2633256 Coffin Dodger
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Right where it belongs - NIN

See the animal in his cage that you built
Are you sure what side you're on?
Better not look him too closely in the eye
Are you sure what side of the glass you are on?
See the safety of the life you have built
Everything where it belongs
Feel the hollowness inside of your heart
And it's all
Right where it belongs

What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection
Is it all you want it to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks?
Would you find yourself
Find yourself afraid to see?

What if all the world's inside of your head
Just creations of your own?
Your devils and your gods
All the living and the dead
And you're really all alone?
You can live in this illusion
You can choose to believe
You keep looking but you can't find the woods
While you're hiding in the trees

What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you used to know
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection
Is it all you want it to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks
Would you find yourself
Find yourself afraid to see?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:30 | 2633785 Implicit simplicit
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Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:10 | 2634330 RichardP
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OK.  I'll bite.  What if life is exactly as it seems.   


   TELL me not, in mournful numbers,
        Life is but an empty dream ! —
    For the soul is dead that slumbers,
        And things are not what they seem.

    Life is real !   Life is earnest!
        And the grave is not its goal ;
    Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
        Was not spoken of the soul.

    Not enjoyment, and not sorrow,
        Is our destined end or way ;
    But to act, that each to-morrow
        Find us farther than to-day.

    Art is long, and Time is fleeting,
        And our hearts, though stout and brave,
    Still, like muffled drums, are beating
        Funeral marches to the grave.

    In the world's broad field of battle,
        In the bivouac of Life,
    Be not like dumb, driven cattle !
        Be a hero in the strife !

    Trust no Future, howe'er pleasant !
        Let the dead Past bury its dead !
    Act,— act in the living Present !
        Heart within, and God o'erhead !

    Lives of great men all remind us
        We can make our lives sublime,
    And, departing, leave behind us
        Footprints on the sands of time ;

    Footprints, that perhaps another,
        Sailing o'er life's solemn main,
    A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
        Seeing, shall take heart again.

    Let us, then, be up and doing,
        With a heart for any fate ;
    Still achieving, still pursuing,
        Learn to labor and to wait.

 Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:32 | 2633036 cougar_w
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5% of the population can be described as fully awake

This is silly. If there are even 0.5% "awake" by some definition I'd be shocked. There cannot be more than 1M people in the US (outside the elite 1% and all their sycophants) who actually get it. The setup is simply too complex and the information resources both too thin and on average difficult to obtain.

Further, many who awaken become so immediately frustrated they fall into an entirely different kind of fitfull slumber, that of the conspiracy nut. People so afraid of what they have discovered that fear overrides them completely and they become slightly unhinged.

The landscape here is really bleak. I am not confident we can ever turn the corner. It may all simply have to burn.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:33 | 2633042 Killtruck
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You didn't write that. Someone else wrote that for you.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:37 | 2633060 cougar_w
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I guess so. And while were at it I'd like to know who's doing my thinking for me too cuz they have some 'splain'n to do.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:50 | 2633112 tekhneek
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Someone had to make that keyboard in order for you to write that.

You didn't write that on your own.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:43 | 2633318's picture

And even though you've already paid for that keyboard you still need to give something back teachers...yeah, teachers.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:26 | 2634775 Flakmeister
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The purposes of which were lost on you no doubt...

Did you even sort out that Confidence Level thingie?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:54 | 2633131 RichardP
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No man is an island (John Donne) - and you are bright enough to know that.

You were not born knowing how to think, so who helped you learn how?  Who made the computer you used to post your comment?  Who created the internet you used to post your comment? Who created Zerohedge, the place where you have posted your comment?  Who created the language you use?  Who taught that language to you?

Your comment would not have even been formulated, much less passed from you to others through Zerohedge, without the effort of many people who are not you.

No one does anything all by themselves.  Every one of you already know that.  So stop with the stupid.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:02 | 2633158 THX 1178
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Thank You. ZH has everything. Extraordinarily ideological to Extraordinarily sane. Extremely proud to extremely humble. People are interesting.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:19 | 2633222 exi1ed0ne
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Others created the tools and the infrastructure to be a success, but never the will, fortitude, and insight required to grasp it. Success only requires three things:

1) The foresight to create conditions which maximize the appearance of opportunity

2) A clear eye to recognize it when it shows up

3) The time, space, resources, and will to seize it when it does

None of those things require roads, running water, or even rule of law - they just encourage different opportunities to manifest themselves. Even in the zombie apocalypse there will be opportunities to be had. You can learn and expand upon the work of others, but the things that make success will always be your own.

Guilt is a powerful tool.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:56 | 2633392 KK Tipton
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Fuck Guilt!

The Human Evasion by Celia Green - Chapter 4 -

"Now it is obvious that the open expression of cruelty towards other people would have a destructive effect upon society, apart from being unprofitable to the human evasion in other ways. So the usual way in which aggression is displaced onto other people is in the form of a desire that they should be limited. This, after all, is very logical. If the true source of your anger is that you are limited yourself, and you wish to displace this anger onto some other person, what could be more natural than that you should wish them to be limited as well."

Read her book. Don't fall for it...*ever*.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:18 | 2634345 RichardP
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Success only requires three things: ...

Those three that you listed are necessary, but not sufficient.

Success at anything is constrained by current conditions.  George Washington (the President) could not have had any success as a computer repairman.  Why not?  Because nobody had created computers yet.  Your opportunities for success are limited by what has gone before; they cannot build on what has not happened yet.  I point you back to my comments made several posts above this one.  They were not incorrect.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 16:38 | 2637686 exi1ed0ne
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And I won't be a success at being a grav-boot technician on an intersteller cruise ship either. I can't look and say I want to be a success at X and have it be so. #3 in the list includes TIME, as in the proper time.

Your example of GW being a computer repair man can be taken in this context. As with a trade, being too early on a call and losing your shirt has the same outcome as being wrong. Doesn't matter that it was eventually right, as with GW repairing computers in the 17th century. Waiting for the right time is a critical component of step #3.

Now lets say GW was transported in time to today. 17th century education, beliefs and culture - total fish out of water. However the GW in our thought experiment has the choice to muster the courage to adapt to the situation or go on public assistance as a mental case.

It takes effort and will to muster the energy to make the ground fertile for success. Way more than sitting in a gutter lamenting at his fate as many would do. For GW to be a success, it would mean taking the best job that his outdated skills would allow and learn and adapt to the new situation - say going to the library and read about computers until he could use the one there, and so on, and so on.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:17 | 2634997 Temporalist
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You forgot risk.  Not the Wall St. kind of risk where someone else's money is at risk but personal risk of life, wealth, property and status (reputation).


Copernicus and Gallileo put their lives on the line.  Revolutionaries put their lives on the line. People who really want to affect change put a lot on the line for what they believe in.  I think that is the greatest asset to the US Constitution and liberty that people will ultimately risk it all to have it back.  Prescedent has already been set.  There are leaders that never doubted what they were risking and sacrificing.  Nobody asked them to do it it just had to be done.  That threshold, when crossed, brings a critical mass with it that cannot be quelched and leads to a tsunami. 


To the detriment of socialism, facisim, communism and all other isms, nobody every risks their lives for it they rather risk the lives of others.  That dynamic is guaranteed failure.


Liberty isn't an ism, nor a philosophy, it is an immutable state.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:30 | 2633574 BooMushroom
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Your comment would not have even been formulated, much less passed from you to others through Zerohedge, without the effort of many people who are not you.

But all of those things were already in place! Why did nobody else make that comment? Was there not something special there, that of all the commenters on all the computers, only HE made that statement? He did THAT on his own.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:25 | 2634361 RichardP
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Yes.  Individuals can make a difference by virtue of their own unique attributes.  That is not in question.  But nobody ever makes a difference in a vacuum.  We all stand on somebody else's shoulders.  That is the point that is being made.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:27 | 2634676 Anusocracy
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Yes, we all stand on the shoulders of some talented molecules from 3.5 billion years ago. So what?

Your comments are silly.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:17 | 2633732 PiratePawpaw
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I like John Donne......."Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee."

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:15 | 2635173 BigDuke6
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It's worth reading and thinking a while

No man is an Island, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine... any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.

Cut paste with old spelling

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:34 | 2633747 gwar5
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Civilization has always been built on generations that have come before it. But shared opporunity, history, and experiences does not mean shared property, especially  with marxists with a long history of taking what they want using mass murder.    


It's a disturbingly huge leap for our chief public service employee, who begged us for his job, to get up and tell his 300 million sovereign employers that everything they have accumulated over the last 350 years is now effectively owned by the government; the government he just happens to also administer! This is all clearly outside of his job description.

This is the butler declaring he owns the house just because he has been given a set of keys. This is very treasonous and totalitarian rhetoric.


No one disputes Obama's father was a foreigner. Children of any British citizen can never legally be a Natural Born American Citizen and be POTUS. It doesn't matter where they were born geographically. SCOTUS has ruled 18 times, over 110 years, that any progeny of a foreign citizen is forever and always ineligible to be POTUS due to risk of split loyalties. This keeps Fidel Castro from impregnating a US girl and running his kid to be POTUS.







Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:38 | 2634400 RichardP
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It's a disturbingly huge leap  ... to get up and tell his 300 million sovereign employers that everything they have accumulated over the last 350 years is now effectively owned by the government;

It would be a huge leap, if that is actually what he said.  But it isn't anywhere close to what he said.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:35 | 2634699 Anusocracy
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Everything you think you own is effectively owned by the government anyway.

Government is the monopoly use of force in a given area.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:23 | 2633760 Implicit simplicit
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You could take those deductions all the way back to the big bang; After that you enter a parallel universe where people live in the moment, but it is equal to aneternity in our present time.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:37 | 2635395 PoorByChoice
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"You were not born knowing how to think"


Have you ever had children?!

Just watching babies\toddlers development proves what an idiot statement that is.

The human mind is the reason for our success, thinking and reasoning are in our genes.

Hence even quite stupid parents can have gifted children

Parents\teachers don't show a toddler how to build it's cerebellum you clown!

If you don't believe that go chat to a decent biologist, they'll put you right, if they have the patience.....

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:02 | 2637258 RichardP
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I know quite a bit about how neural networks, schemas, heuristics, and rules of thumb are developed in the brain over time.  That knowledge informed my statement.

What is the concept of waking up being discussed in these comments all about if not about learning a new way of thinking, a new approach to thinking, learning how to think?  Sure, you can think.  But you can also be taught how to think.  Just ask those here who claim they have been awakened.

There is a difference between simply thinking and knowing about the various methods of thinking.  Everybody can think.  But not everybody knows how to think successfully, how to build logic on top of logic.  Or not.  That generally has to be taught.  There are various approaches to problem solving.  They are generally not obvious; they need to be taught.

I was making only a general statement, due to the constraints of writing space and attention spans.  And, in general, the statement is true.

And I don't know anybody who thinks with their cerebellum.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 04:55 | 2639898 PoorByChoice
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Thanks for replying Richard

I need to state I'm not being sarcastic when I say that  (as you say in your reply the true meaning in a brief comment can be lost on the internet.. )

As for the cerebellum yes that was glib of me but you did understand my point I'm sure.

Too many times we allow people to believe they either cannot reason or it's so difficult we should leave it to the highly trained "OxBridge" elite types.

See how many British PM's have come from those hallowed institutions! So that attitude is allowing the same mistakes to occur throughout history.

I have a friend who attended Cambridge and won a scolarship to Harvard        She couldn't operate a retractable biro...........

So much for highly trained intellects LOL!

We need to ensure that everyone realises they have the power to reason, to learn and so become equal to the task of questioning their elected officials\bureaucracy\TPTB at every turn.


And whilst I agree that sites like ZH are truly enlightening I believe that those who visit and stay have already taken the red pill.

I suspect those who just move on put it down as another conspiracy nuts site otherwise.

For me the pleasure(!?!) in arriving here (ZH) was the realisation that many others see the same disconnect between what they are told and how they actually see the world themselves

ZH is the rabbit hole not the pill for me but you have raised an interesting point

 what makes people choose the red pill or the blue pill?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:38 | 2633062 fuu
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+1 now stop using italics at the beginning of your posts.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:28 | 2633551 XitSam
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It is not the italics. It is blockquote.

I used italics and you can easily mod me up or down. He used blockquote, look at the source html.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:03 | 2633678 fuu
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Good call, my bad.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:43 | 2633084 Dr. Engali
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I agree. Maybe 5% of the people think something isn't quite right, but that is as far as they go with it. They are willing to bitch about things but they don't want to dig any deeper to the root of it. My guess is they will find it to disturbing. I know for afact that is the case with my wife. Once  start to point things out she tunes out. It is very frustrating.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:50 | 2633108 fonzannoon
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@Dr. Engali my wife hears me out and she somewhat believes me but at the same time she is similar. The only good news is as the noise gets louder it is harder for everyone to pretend they don't hear it. Eventually they will all turn to you for the answers.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:23 | 2633235 James
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Eventually they will all turn to you for the answers         



Problem w/that is by then I'll be in Galts Gulch.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:54 | 2633375's picture

One might imagine that when the lights went out the residents of Galt's Gulch saw the advantage of rejoining the larger society. Remember that in AS there were independent working class enclaves springing up around the nation as the economy collapsed. Some of those folks would become the future managers and workers of Wyatt Oil and Reardon Metal.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:02 | 2633161 Chump
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My wife and I have an understanding.  I limit my bitching about what's coming and she limits her bitching about my preparing us for it.  It works for us.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:10 | 2633192 The Gooch
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The BARTER system.

I gotta try that.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:58 | 2633408 crkennedymd
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My arrangement as well.  Works decent, but the worse things get, the more I hear: "Why are you so quiet?"

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:25 | 2633557 XitSam
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And here I thought you were a Chump.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:14 | 2633722 Implicit simplicit
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True dat. Lately, my wife has been saying that she married a farmer; even though we live in a suburb.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:07 | 2633183 BeetleBailey
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I concur Doc. I call it "forced ignorance" - which is JUST how TPTB want it.

I see it with my clients; 97% of them are simply not clued in at can see their eyes glaze is sad.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:14 | 2633208 Winston Churchill
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Keep at it.

Its taken me several years to convince my missus.

Little pieces ,easily digested ,finally woke her up.

Now she's bitching because it hasn't happened yet.

Cannot win with a woman ,but we all know that.

Still trying to get her shooting,a little bit at a time again.

I don't mind the extra time(though I could do without the bitching).

Yo cannot prepare enough for the coming shitstorm.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:56 | 2633395's picture


Now she's bitching because it hasn't happened yet.



Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:27 | 2633252 10mm
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+1000 Engali.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:43 | 2633086 Obadiah
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I hear that.  My brother told my fam 9-11 was an inside job and we scoffed him out of the room..  Then I got edumucated  back in 2004 with alex jones.  Oh snap... what a dark place it is when you discover all the lies and tricks played on us sheeple... but I fear no more... just bring it cause in the end WE win suckers!!!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:03 | 2633163 cougar_w
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Who is this we, and what do they win?

Not to be mean or anything, but just to reinforce my original point: It will all have to burn.

And then I do not see how there is any winning going on at that point. Pyrric victories just don't count. I think we lose, big time, all around the place. Everyone loses including our tormentors.

I am awake. And I've had a good look around and I see the knots are tied very tightly. Someone is going to have to chew off a limb to even start getting out of this trap, and then the trap just goes on and on seeming endlessly in all directions, with disturbing twists and turns and then more traps and dead-falls. You can burn your way out of it but you won't be able to choose what does not burn in the process, and when you are outside the trap you might find there is virtually nothing left to claim as a trophy for having ... won.

Doesn't mean we do not fight it. Fighting is our nature afterall. But this idea that someone is going to emerge victorious or a winner is slightly dangerous, and does not set the proper expectation in my opinion. Many dubious leaders will arise in the coming days waving the flag and claiming that if we follow them without question, we can win.

No. We cannot. And they are liars. Unless they are pointing out that everything will likely burn in the process, then maybe yeah they get it.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:11 | 2633197 Flakmeister
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Your problem is that you are far too deep for the blowhards and asshats here...

Heads up, I have appropriated your "Morally lax" line for future use...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:53 | 2633359 cougar_w
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Yeah that was a good riff I had going on. If you have it handy, can you play it back for me? My memory is ... lax or something.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:58 | 2633411 Flakmeister
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It was on the desk and seems to have vanished into a memory hole...

It was on the nature of "skepticism".....hope that helps...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:30 | 2633267 sdmjake
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"The pain of war cannot exceed the woe of aftermath"

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:04 | 2633457 juangrande
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Where there is end, there is beginning. Plus fire can be purifying!

"Yeah, hehehehehehe, fire!" Beavis

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:23 | 2633552 Coffin Dodger
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Cougar - the words you speak are as though I have spoken them myself.

There is hope.

Not the 'hope' that trips off the tongue of the latest confused and frightened incumbant of office; I speak of the hope that is tangible - here amongst us. We, who see the illness, not just the symptoms. There are many, many more of us than we know. Most keep it hidden away. Some are already acting, thinking, discussing. Some are preparing to mentally confront it, some are waiting to see what happens, some just want it all to go away and things to be 'normal' again, some are burying their heads and some are downright in denial. But we all know it. We do. And when the crisis reaches boiling point, proper boiling point, the 'It will all have to burn' point, the majority of us will be mentally ready to make the changes required of us to make life not only bearable, but better. I'm sure of it. I'm that fucking sure about it because I'm going to at the spearhead of it, along with everyone else here. Take heart, buddy.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:02 | 2633681 PiratePawpaw
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This whole thing reminds me of the scene in Monty Pythons "The Holy Grail" where the 2 guards are watching Lancelot charge out of the woods toward the castle.

For what seems an eternity he charges full steam right at them, but never seems to get any closer. Then suddenly he is there, and they are dead.

One day maybe soon we will wake up to discover that Lancelot is at the gate, but for now he is still coming out of the treeline.


Tool-Aenema..........."Learn to swim....."

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:12 | 2633494's picture



My brother told my fam 9-11 was an inside job and we scoffed him out of the room..


The problem is that there is no clear convincing evidence of that (no links, please, I've read them). And it's a HUGE leap for regular folks to take. You don't wake a sleep walker by screaming in his face. I like to alert folks to easily provable facts which are just plain crazy like fractional reserve banking. Start by asking them, "If a bank has $1,000 dollars on hand and they must maintain a ten percent reserve how much can the bank lend out?"They will guess $900 dollars and when you explain to them that in fact a bank with assets of $1000 can lend out $9000 dollars you will see a light flicker. You can also chat people up about much simpler things like the TSA groping old ladies or the bank bailouts. You've got to shake these people awake gently. Firmly and with authority but gently.

As for the whole 9/11 thing I believe that it is more effective to ask questions like "How might Operation Northern Vigilance have been a factor in 9/11?," than to shout from the rooftops that Bigfoot and his magic UFO replaced the Manhattan skyline with a hologram on 9/11 (humorous hyperbole) and that anyone who doesn't agree is either a moron or a paid agent of the Mossad (no exaggeration).

Just some advice. Not gonna argue about it, it's tea time here in Tel Aviv.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:12 | 2633919 psychobilly
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"The problem is that there is no clear convincing evidence of that (no links, please, I've read them)."

This is simply a false statement. The AE911 Truth group has given hundreds of live presentations of the evidence for controlled demolition. These are primarily to A & E firms - groups of architects and structural engineers. A show of hands afterwards consistently reveals that at least 85% of those who were either unsure or who accepted the prevailing opinion about the Twin Towers’ destruction beforehand wound up agreeing with the evidence for controlled demolition after seeing it.

Just because you are unable to grasp schoolboy-level scientific concepts and choose to flat out ignore things like the presence of military grade (nano-engineered) thermite doesn't mean that there is no clear, convincing evidence. 

"And it's a HUGE leap for regular folks to take."

This is a psychological phenomenon and has nothing to do with the evidence.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:21 | 2633944's picture


Just because you are unable to grasp schoolboy-level scientific concepts doesn't mean that there is no clear, convincing evidence.


Thanks for providing a perfect example to prove my point. "Truthers" are not the least bit interested in making a convincing argument with the goal of making their fellow citizens aware. The inevitable resort to ad hominem attack reveals the weakness of "Truther" position. It doesn't mean that you and your ilk are completely wrong, it just means that you do not have the skill, patience or social grace necessary to convince others that your case is valid.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:47 | 2634040 psychobilly
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"Thanks for providing a perfect example to prove my point. 'Truthers' are not the least bit interested in making a convincing argument with the goal of making their fellow citizens aware."

A ludicrous statement contradicted by the facts in the post you're replying to.  And that's just one of many examples.   

"The inevitable resort to ad hominem attack reveals the weakness of 'Truther' position."

Ever think that you are just getting back what you dish out?

" just means that you do not have the skill, patience or social grace necessary to convince others that your case is valid."

That's a fair criticism that would apply to many, including myself at times.  But I've already convinced a lot of people, including friends, family and complete strangers... despite my shortcomings.  This isn't a forum that lends itself to detailed, multi-layered technical discussions. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:11 | 2634123's picture


Ever think that you are just getting back what you dish out?


I tried to explain to you why "Truthers" are laughed at by their own families as noted in the post to which I replied. I tried to give you other options for "waking people up." But "Truthers" seem to be more interest in brow beating others rather than starting with basic questions which may eventually allow individuals to start asking bigger questions for themselves.

 Government lies and misdirection existed long before 9/11. 9/11 did not "change everything" and it is not the key for understanding history or politics. It's just one more debatable event in history.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:57 | 2634446 RichardP
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In support of Crockett:  Those in the field of Social Learning Theory will tell you that we learn what we pay attention to.  The psychological question of interest is - what determines what we pay attention to?

Facts in an of themselves have no instrinsic value.  Ninety-three million miles is a fact.  That fact interests no one - until you ask the question "how far is it from the earth to the sun"?

Crockett's approach is one of the best for teaching.  Ask questions at the level of interest of the student.  When you pique their interest with an appropriate question, the student will suddenly be interested in whatever "fact" provides the answer to that question.  How convenient that you just have the fact that they need.  You provide the questions that grab their interest.  Let them then come back to you and ask you for the "facts".  Learning works best that way.  It seldom works when you dump a bunch of facts on someone and expect that they will "get it".

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:08 | 2634471's picture

Thanks for hearing me out and providing an objective analysis.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:53 | 2633127 cossack55
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One mans bleak is another mans paradise.  All I see are opportunities and a target-rich environment.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:06 | 2633182 cougar_w
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I'm not even sure I understand what that means.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:01 | 2633434 KK Tipton
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He wants to drive his enemies before him, lamentation of the women etc etc.

Go for it dude. Make sure you actually get the leader and toss his detached head down a big flight of stairs.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:05 | 2633169 CH1
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If there are even 0.5% "awake" by some definition I'd be shocked.

There is a difference between awake and active.

There are definitely people who get it that the system is against them, but many fewer who think they have a moral right to stop obeying thieves and live as they wish.

Remember, there are millennia of conditioning at work here.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:28 | 2635186 BigJim
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  ...There are definitely people who get it that the system is against them, but many fewer who think they have a moral right to stop obeying thieves and live as they wish.

There are some unpleasant consequences when a person stops obeying the thieves... a la stopping forking out protection money to the local mafia. Until enough of your fellows think the same way, acting alone is essentially suicide... and useless suicide, at that.

This is why winning hearts and minds is so important... no change can happen until enough of the population wakes up, because, in a democracy,  they live in the world they themselves not only created, but continue to nourish.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:40 | 2633173 pashley1411
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Earlier this year I had something of an epiphany when I was speaking with a middle aged lady, executive at IBM.    You would think private sector, educated, has some clue, right?   

She said that because Obama allowed her kids to stay on the company's health insurance until 26, she would be supporting Obama.

I was tempted to then end it all and just drive into a concrete wall.   America is going to get the dictatorship it so richly deserves.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:14 | 2633210 lightning
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No they are awake, but it is just like you mention later; they have all rationalized the information depending on how much information they have.  Of the friends I have that are awake, one believes alien lizards are coming to save us from the evil bankers, another believes that this is the beginning of the breaking of the seals in revelation, the other believes that Obama is a manchurian imposter from Indonesia that was created by the communists in both Russia and China (and that he is setting the stage for WWIII).  I disagree that the setup is too complex and information is soo thin.  I found it and with the help of sites like Zero Hedge and the commenters (who honestly are often more helpful than the blogs themselves - so thanks guys!) people have access to information.  The only thing is that they will have to go beyond the Internet to truly understand it; difficult yes, impossible - no.  As for becoming a conspiracy nut, I personally don't believe in lizard people, not sure about the whole end of the world thing, nor about the manchurian imposter; but I do know that I no longer live in a free country, operate in a free market, and that the best I can do right now is prepare for the consequences of the aforementioned situations.  BTW, the aforementioned people are still friends because with the level of fraud, and the conspiracy needed to carry out that fraud, I am never again going to make fun of conspiracy theories; rather I will simply wait and see what shakes out. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 17:43 | 2633831 PiratePawpaw
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Just because I'm paranoid doesnt mean the lizard men ARENT out to get me...


I agree with every..............Ooooh Wait!... American Idol is on.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:34 | 2635192 BigJim
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LOL, and no doubt all your unawake friends think you're a conspiracy nut too:

Haha, lightning thinks bankers somehow rule the world! Still, he's a good guy, so I gently remind him now and then that the government is us, and we, the people, can choose Obama or Romney this fall. But he just doesn't get it, says "ooh, look, a new article on Zerohedge..."

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:35 | 2633287 Coffin Dodger
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The revolution will not be televised.

That this site (and many others of the ilk) exists is conclusive proof that the think-revolution has begun - indeed, it is well underway. There's no going back. We are entering the most exciting time we will ever witness.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:35 | 2635195 BigJim
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May you live in exciting times!

- Funfair saying

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:40 | 2633312's picture



This is silly. If there are even 0.5% "awake" by some definition I'd be shocked. There cannot be more than 1M people in the US (outside the elite 1% and all their sycophants) who actually get it.


Ron Paul received over two million votes this go around. Chin up.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:32 | 2633041 ziggy59
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Thank g-d for nodoz!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:40 | 2633044 graneros
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"I know what your thinking, why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?"  Yes I know old and oft repeated but none the less apropos here.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:01 | 2633156 pods
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That was always one of my most favorite lines from the Matrix. Maybe it was because I longed for the blue pill when I became fully awake?  It is a very difficult thing to realize that what you are living is a lie.  People really do lose it.  I almost did, I am not afraid to admit it.  The drunken nights scouring the internet for THE thing that I could wave in front of friends and family that would make them get it.  

Eventually, I pulled out of my tailspin and only speak about what I know if asked directly.  If someone wants to stay asleep, that is their prerogative.  I have no business waking them from a self-induced dream.

Now I am much happier, and have moved to accepting certain aspects of the world that I have no control over.  Letting them go so I can sleep at night.

I am sure that others were, or are, where I was.  It is a process.  A process which opens your mind to all the wonderful and terrible corners of humanity.

The process makes you much stronger.  Well, if it doesn't kill you.  :)


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:07 | 2633185 CH1
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The best source I know:

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:20 | 2633226 graneros
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"Welcome to the real world." - Morpheus

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:28 | 2633245 WaterWings
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Great post. As B9K9 once put it, "Why give them a leg up?"

Golic: In an insane world, a sane man must appear insane.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:57 | 2633401 Karl von Bahnhof
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Great summary Pods, feel the same. Few weeks were quite tough, but feel much better now than any time before. And still learning. I do enjoy my life, easy at work, easy with my wife...

Just ocassional sudden acidents, when bottles of fine drinks seems to be Corzined in the mornings..

Life as usual :)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:06 | 2633467 Karl von Bahnhof
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Like Webster Tarpley for historical perspective, what we are against to:

Nice reading for ZHers.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:04 | 2633456 gwar5
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I shed my skin about 5 years ago. Merely being an awake cynic was no longer sufficient. 


It was a good time to do it, and it's healthy and exhilirating to change one's path in life periodically anyway. Hardest part is knowing you will be necessarily separating from some long time friends and knowing you will drift apart. You establish new networks and make new friends. Others asked WTF I was up to, did their own research, and then changed their lives as well. It's all very much like preparing for a voyage into the unknown and just as stimulating.




Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:32 | 2635008 Temporalist
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What are these "friend" things to which you refer?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:12 | 2633504 KK Tipton
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You lack slack, Jack. -

"The "different" are being silenced by a global conspiracy. WEIRDOS ARISE!! You probably already knew that the U.S. Government is a SHAM -- something propped up there for you to blame. But did you know that the real "powers that be" are not even people? That they are actually shambling, unbelievable, unmentionable, unthinkable THINGS??"


""Bob's" promise is to widen the scope and nature of abnormal explore NEW WAYS of going over the edge and coming back. PLUS to bring back those who couldn't on their own... to help you create the HIGHEST POSSIBLE EARNINGS from the PSYCHODYMANICS of ABNORMALITY... to turn Conspiracy-implanted personality disorders AROUND and channel them into an ILLUSION OF CREATIVITY that will fool normals and GET YOU SEX! As you learn more and more reliable, safe methods of Time Control, you will find your I.Q. increasing - your very cranium will seem to pulsate from within, barely able to contain the turmoil of glorious new concepts and mental skills. Soon you'll be able to withstand COMMUNICATION WITH THE XISTS, our mentors in space; you will be ready for TRANSFIGURATION into a new physical body, a more powerful one, built to contain the surging mental and material mutations that your brain now generates. YES - become an OVERHUMAN, a dangerous and feared superhuman of the future! Yet - because your SubGenius roots can never be forgotten - you won't be able to abuse your powers, but instead make them an unstoppable force for GOOD and JUSTICE, choosing always to defend the oppressed SubGenius wherever they may be!"


Yes, it's a very tough, dangerous process...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:59 | 2634964 Escapeclaws
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KKT, this post of yours reminds me a little of a New Yorker cartoon by Diffee. There's a guy sitting in a subway seat with noone on either side of him wearing a Tshirt that says, "Ask me about my religion".

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:39 | 2635203 BigJim
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 ... YES - become an OVERHUMAN, a dangerous and feared superhuman of the future! Yet - because your SubGenius roots can never be forgotten - you won't be able to abuse your powers, but instead make them an unstoppable force for GOOD and JUSTICE, choosing always to defend the oppressed SubGenius wherever they may be!"

So that's what happened to Obama!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:40 | 2633047 SemperFord
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I don't agree with 25% of Americans being aware, think it's less, but I do agree that they are looked at by TPTB as cattle, most Americans are dumb and there is no way better to control a population than to keep them stupid.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:58 | 2633120 graneros
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"most Americans are dumb and there is no way better to control a population than to keep them stupid."

Which is precisely why we have a Department of Education (what an oxymoron) at the Federal level.

"Let me control the textbooks and I will control the state." —Hitler, while speaking about the schools and their indoctrination of the Hitler Youth Corps (Hilterjugend)

"Give me your four year olds, and in a generation I will build a Socialist state." —Vladimir Lenin

"Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed." —Joseph Stalin

"We destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social." —Communist Manifesto

"Whoever controls the image and information of the past determines what and how future generations will think; whoever controls the information and images of the present determines how those same people will view the past.” “He who controls the past commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past." —George Orwell

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:35 | 2633052 CCanuck
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I could only dream of a place where 25% of my family and friends were awake.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:36 | 2633053 Oh regional Indian
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I just realized that Sheep is just sleep with a little twist.

Sleep, Sheep. See that?

See Sheep Sleep. Sleep Sheep Sleep. 



Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:46 | 2633095 Cast Iron Skillet
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so are we talking sheeple ... or sleeple ?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:54 | 2633128 Dr. Richard Head
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Pay no mind what other voices say
They don't care about you, like I do, (like I do)
Safe from pain, and truth, and choice, and other poison devils,
See, they don't give a fuck about you, like I do.

Just stay with me,
safe and ignorant, go,
back to sleep, go
back to sleep

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 15:38 | 2633303 Dr.Vannostrand
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+$15 trillion for some Maynard!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:15 | 2633513 KK Tipton
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The Human Evasion by Celia Green -

"The methods of linguistic analysis have very valuable applications to religion. Chiefly they enable us to see the futility of making meaningless statements about the transcendent (which is of course a completely meaningless word). You cannot properly speak of waking 'up'. When I say something is going 'up' I mean that it is directed towards a position which is located above its starting point. It is meaningless to speak in this way about waking, because it would be a confusion of categories to suppose that 'waking' is located above 'sleeping'. Consequently...'

But at this point, with a certain sense of relief, I awoke."

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:36 | 2633055 ZIRPThis
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Ready to secede yet?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 14:55 | 2633134 cossack55
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Already have, just waiting for the herd to catch up.

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