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Guest Post: Immigration: Cui Bono ?

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Immigration: Cui Bono?

Immigration is always a tricky subject to address honestly. Racists and the far right have dominated the debate and appropriated the language necessary to make even a well reasoned argument. Nevertheless, I think it is about time that some aspects of immigration, in the context of it’s supposed benefits (cui bono ?) are more widely understood and if by doing so I upset anyone, then I hope it will suffice to say that it is not my intention to do so. If you are from the USA you may like to know that the UK, with a population of 63 million, is one fifth of that of the USA, but the USA has a land mass 38 times bigger. In the USA there are 32.3 people per square kilometre, in the UK it is 250.2 per sq km.

It is a little known fact that if the immigration numbers were excluded from the UK population figures then the population would be fairly stable with only reasonable growth.

The Graph, above, shows the Total Fertility figures. These are the amount of children, on average, each woman has. Since the early 1970s the average has been less than two, you’ll notice an upturn since 2002, that’s a cultural change due to immigration [more on that below]. I want to consider why it is that the UK birth rate has remained at that low rate for 40 years.

There are a couple of reasons and they should be well known, in a country where there is an extremely low child mortality rate and which is relatively wealthy women tend towards smaller families. The poorer the country, the higher the child mortality rate, then, as a rule, the higher the fertility rate.

But a fertility rate below two does not mean that the population should be shrinking, because improved health care has increased life expectancy.

This all looks encouraging. The UK, like many developed  nations appears to be naturally compensating for increased life expectancy and improved health care with lower birth rates. This seems to indicate that we have reached a subtly new stage of human evolution of a mature civilisation.

But there is one big problem with all this, for some people at least. If you have a developed economy the economic growth based on efficiency is harder to find. It is far easier to get economic growth, especially if your economy is dependent of the domestic service sector, as the UK is, if you artificially increase the population of the country.

11.3% of the UK’s population was not born in the UK. Only 3.6% are from EU countries, 7.7% are from outside of the EU. So, if the UK’s population is 63 million, 7.119 million are not born in the UK, 2.268 million are from the EU, and 4.851 million are from outside of the EU. Without immigration the UK population would be less than 56 million, far less if you were to take away the children born to immigrants in the UK only in the last 10 years. [remember that upturn, top graph, in the Total Fertility statistics from 2002 onwards ?]  (source)

How many times have you heard that immigration is good for the UK economy ?

But all the benefits of this increased population go to the top 5% and all the costs are laid at the door of the other 95%.

For the top 5% the UK is nothing more than a market. Increase the size of the market and they increase the size of their profits, it really is as simple as that.

Don’t blame the immigrants for taking advantage of the situation in a perfectly legal way.

Blame the people who sold our country for their own profit!


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Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:37 | 2613261 Segestan
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Liberals suck.......

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:01 | 2613298 Pladizow
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This is the cost of an empire upon which the sun once never set!

How muslims will win: (and this video is 3 years old)

Momar Quadafi - "There are signs Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. We dont need terrorists, we dont need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims in Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:17 | 2613446 Randall Cabot
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"For the top 5% the UK is nothing more than a market. Increase the size of the market and they increase the size of their profits, it really is as simple as that."

I don't know about the UK but in the US your assertion would be incorrect since it is also small businesses like restaurants, landscapers and construction companies who are profiting from immigrant workers.

Also, you have avoided an important factor (likely the most important factor) that should be obvious to any non-politically correct observer and that is the notion of divide and conquer: bring in as many disparate groups into a country as possible, watch them go at each others throats and against the "government" and then use the ensuing mayhem as the pretense for the establishment of a police state and the totalitarian New World Order.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:21 | 2613471 AnAnonymous
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US citizen middle class could not be benefiting from migration.

It has to be the top 5, top 1, the vatican, the city of london, the illuminati, the elite...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:46 | 2613559 NotApplicable
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Other than pure delusion, I do not understand why the author talks in such fiction as "our country."

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:06 | 2613676 I Am The Unknow...
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I am so terribly offended!  Indeed yes, yes, offended I say!  I shall suffer the folly and find jolly in this trolly no longer!


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 21:05 | 2614961 Vampyroteuthis ...
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The UK, US whatever country is going to have to start and integrate immigrants into society. The US demanded it of European immigrants in the past. Now, we expect nothing out of immigrants and get the worst.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:24 | 2613483 The Alarmist
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If you pick apart the fertility numbers by economic status, you start to see a more disturbing picture. Women who receive cash assistance ("benefits") are reproducing at rates two to three times the rate of other women in the society, and the current underclass of benefit-dependents will double by the year 2020 based on reproduction alone. Vast swaths of the North country and entire towns are benefits-dependent. Now add to that a heap of benefits-seeking immigrants and you have a real disaster looming not so far off in the future.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 18:49 | 2614750 CTG_Sweden
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Randall Cabot:

"I don't know about the UK but in the US your assertion would be incorrect since it is also small businesses like restaurants, landscapers and construction companies who are profiting from immigrant workers.


Also, you have avoided an important factor (likely the most important factor) that should be obvious to any non-politically correct observer and that is the notion of divide and conquer: bring in as many disparate groups into a country as possible, watch them go at each others throats and against the "government" and then use the ensuing mayhem as the pretense for the establishment of a police state and the totalitarian New World Order."


My comments:

I don´t think that reason why the UK and other European countries after WWII (unlike Japan and later on South Korea) have allowed immigration on a large scale is that it generally benefits big business. Big business can always find new markets and cheap labour abroad. For some companies immigration and a more densely populated country might even be bad. Take the prefabricated home industry, for instance. If a country gets more densely populated, prices of sites for building will most likely increase. More people will live in flats and less people will live in their own prefabricated homes.


But I agree that there is no significant general economic reason for big business minimize immigration. On the other hand there is no significant general economic reason for big business to increase immigration in order make more money.


I don´t think that the explanation to the difference between Japan/South Korea and Europe as regards immigration is that big business in general benefits from immigration. I also doubt that small business owners are the explanation. I also doubt that the reason is that some people want to establish a police state or a totalitarian state. I agree that the degree of democracy and free speech we still enjoy in Europe can not be taken for granted. For instance, Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi who launched the idea of a European Union should probably be described as a dedicated anti-democrat (read his book Praktischer Idealismus). Furthermore, a majority of the populations in the British and French empires, respectively, were not entitled to vote in the early post-war years. But I don´t think that modern followers of Coudenhove-Kalergi need a totalitarian state in order to have their own way.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:32 | 2613488 Pegasus Muse
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Got this email yesterday.  Thought it was spam.  Perhaps not....



Sent:Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:00 AM

Subject: Fwd: Please Read

In a quest for information I have found this, and think it appropriate to forward. Please read it and if you or anyone you know can produce information that will balance or defeat these ideas, then please share with me.  My goal is to gain knowledge not to spread untruths.

This author has in depth knowledge. So let's wake up.
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book:

Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of Halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature Halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4% (True - there are 2 systems of taxations here)
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% Muslim states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos.. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend Madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

'Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel". -- Leon Uris, 'TheHaj'

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be herding the sheep.

Obama and Janet Napolitano appointed Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.

DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already?

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering...

Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already??
That should make the US ' homeland much safer, huh!!Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago? Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood ?

Also: This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. -- They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
Can a Muslim be a good soldier??? Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at Ft. Hood and Killed 13. He is a good Muslim!!!

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.  Please don't delete this until you send it on.

Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:
1) Theologically -- no . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia
2) Religiously – no… Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
3) Scripturally - no… Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
4) Geographically – no… Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
5) Socially - no… Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews..
6) Politically - no…Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and     destruction of America, the great Satan.
7)Domestically - no… Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)
8) Intellectually - no… Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
9) Philosophically - no… Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
10) Spiritually - no… Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly Father, nor is he ever called ‘Love’ in The Quran's 99 excellent   names.

Call it what you wish, it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States -- Muslim 0.6%  Australia -- Muslim 1.5%  Canada -- Muslim 1.9%  China -- Muslim 1.8%  Italy -- Muslim 1.5%  Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:36 | 2613533 Raymond K Hessel
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Snope it.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:46 | 2613564 AnAnonymous
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Ah, Muslims have to up their game. They are not beefy enough.

10 pc to increase tension? Woooo, what US citizen percentage takes to increase tension? 1pc? Even less?

Small league players are doomed to stay small league players compared to US citizens.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:01 | 2613640 pagan
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Both Bush and the Obama administrations have been conducting a full blown war against the Muslim world. Resulting in hordes of refugees to Europe.

Suggestion: Leave them alone.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 17:18 | 2614572 SmittyinLA
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Actually the war is against everybody but Islam, or haven't you noticed the Caliphate governments that we placed into power with military force including  Kurdistan (a formerly non-existant state), Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Bosnia and much of North Africa.  

The refugee movement to the EU and US is policy, immigration is policy, Islam is policy. 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:52 | 2614482 WillyGroper
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>>>>>>>> Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend Madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. For example, they will push for the introduction of Halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.>>>>>>>>>Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago?


Another attack on non-whites. My neighbors are Muslim. I guess living here in peace for 30 yrs. is not integrating into society peacefully. Madrassa--literally translated means "school". If they learn the Quran only, what does a degree in theology say? Halal is no different than Kosher for the Yids. You should hope the food you eat would be 1/2 as clean. Corporate food, I think not. 

How about Arabs, to the last point. Hmmmmm, who engineered that REALLY? Geeeeez, is this sponsored by DICK cheney & KBR?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 18:45 | 2614745 malek
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 Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

The end of this century?? Why not make even more dire forecasts for the year 2500?

But one thing is true: The group with the highest birthrates will take over in the very long run, if they those people don't cut each other's throats that is.
However, birth rates are already imploding in Iran and Turkey for example...

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 07:40 | 2619630 Disenchanted
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s/ Yeah just look at all those Muslims in our establishment's power structure! /s


Somehow I don't think it's Muslims that are overrepresented in our society's power structure in relationship to their percentage of the population.


Regarding immigration, if the immigration laws can be ignored by certain groups then why have the fucking laws? If I take offense that some laws can be ignored by certain groups, that automatically classifies me as a racist? WTF is wrong with this picture?

Can I pick and choose which laws of our land I can ignore?

If our laws are subjective choices depending on who you are, then we are no longer governed by the rule of law but by the rule of men.

I demand my equal opportunity rights to ignore the laws of my choosing!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:02 | 2613654 A Nanny Moose
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Muslims, meet EBT moms, and Largely Christian Latinos.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 17:13 | 2614552 SmittyinLA
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the unsaid" ....thanks to Jewish global immigration policies

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 23:36 | 2615175 Errol
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Pladizow, Europe may or may not turn into a Muslim continent within a few decades - extrapolating current trends is not always a good predictive tool.

As I recall, within the last century both Germans and Slavs have made an organized and determined effort to remove differing ethnic groups from their area of influence, and were stopped only by outside force.  I have the same advise for a Muslim owning property or a business in Germany today as I would for a Jew in 1935: sell and leave while you still can on your own terms...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:31 | 2614390 Praetorian Guard
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A Racist, Socialist, and Muslim walk into a bar, bartender says, "So what will it be Mr. President?...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 21:21 | 2614987 Cui Bono
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Damn Damn Damn..... Away from ZeeHedge for nine hours and this is what happens..... You wait your whole avatarian life for a headline like this and now what.... 500 comments later I might as well just fart.....phttttbbbttttt.

A thoroughly disgusted Cui Bono!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:37 | 2613262 Votewithabullet
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cuntservatives suck...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:46 | 2613311 Ethics Gradient
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I just got back from Cuba. Education and healthcare for everyone. Very low income inequality. You'd love it.

But then income inequality is easy to address when everyone earns less than $50 a month, healthcare easy to provide when a lot of people can't afford to get to the hospital and education a bit pointless when you can't get a proper job to apply it in, but hey. I recommend you go and live the dream, chap!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:53 | 2613348 Leopold B. Scotch
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Liberty Rocks.


Authoritarians are cunts.  That includes you, simple democracy worshippers. And you progressive smiling types.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:54 | 2613353 SoNH80
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Seeing a doctor is free in Cuba-- they'll do a good job of telling you what ails you-- but only Dolares por favor for medicine, medical devices, etc.  And you only earn Pesos.  Wah wah wah.  Sounds like Obamacare, you have "guaranteed coverage", but it won't get you a damn thing if you actually need it.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:22 | 2614090 smiler03
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If you bother to research some facts about Cuba vs US healthcare then you might realise that the US isn't exactly the best place in the world to live, and that's without even considering the costs.

Every ZH reader's favourite, Michael Moore's Sicko has some facts revealed by that US conservative leaning newspaper ....

Oh, mosquitos? They too live in da nile.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:26 | 2614125 SoNH80
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I'm the last to say that the U.S. is without problems.  But our healthcare is a far sight better than Communist Cuba's, and Michael Moore is a smug limousine-liberal slob that engages in Potemkin pantomime for the benefit of other smug limousine liberals.

Communist Cuba is very popular among people that don't have to live there, on $1 a day.  In 1958, it was the most prosperous nation in Latin America.  Today, people are forced to prostitute themselves for toilet paper and cooking oil.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:41 | 2614196 Lucky Guesst
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Then why do the wealthy and leaders from other countries come HERE for life saving medical treatments?

You could benefit from watching freakonomics. The numbers say what they are told to.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:01 | 2614283 Lednbrass
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Did you actually call the NY Times a conservative leaning newspaper?

Its a bastion of frothing leftist moonbats. There are many things one can call that rag, but conservative leaning? What a bizarre statement.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:59 | 2613378 Duke of Con Dao
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I know a man who lived there in the 1990s and 'owned' a house. This is not the story he told me. The hospitals and clinics you see in Havana were built primarily for the party elites and tourist. In the rest of the country you'll probably end up in a hospital room that hasn't been painted since the Revolution and reeks of urine... I could go on...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:21 | 2613764 pagan
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Considering they have been under a full US embargo since the early 60's, they are doing surprisingly well.


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:39 | 2614422 Stuck on Zero
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Gosh they only have the other 95% of the world to trade with.  What's the problem with that?


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:48 | 2614227 Jena
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Cuba's vaunted healthcare system isn't getting money from Russia, anymore, it seems.  And though there are efforts to keep it quiet, word is getting out that the first cholera outbreak in about 100 years is overrunning the country's health system.

Large cholera outbreaks generally mean contaminated water and/or food.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:52 | 2613344 Leopold B. Scotch
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Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:01 | 2613386 Bay of Pigs
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Good old Vote from Mish's blog. Gold still going to $300?


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:37 | 2613264 Maos Dog
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"Racists and the far right"

You mean, those stupid, moronic people that don't like their daughters and wives being raped?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:44 | 2613280 Seorse Gorog fr...
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So you're saying that in the UK, it's only Muslims that do the raping?


And you're saying that anyone not at the far right and not racist (ie. mostly intelligent educated people) do like their daughters and wives being raped.


Right. Got it.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:45 | 2613299 Diplodicus Rex
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Clearly the use of the word 'only' in your statement means that it cannot be a true statement. However, such is the sexual repression inherent in the mind-bogglingly stupid religion the sex-starved young muslim males have a much higher propensity to rape than their equivalent n-n mulsim peers. Please read Chris Hitchens book "God is not great" for an insight into this issue.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:26 | 2613496 Seorse Gorog fr...
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I don't need to read Hitchens. Just like political parties, far-right groups and nonsense supersitions, all religions take advantage of the human nature of fear and insecurity to control and repress. Sometimes this unleashes the animal within just like with Catholic priests or satanic nutters:

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:32 | 2614155 smiler03
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To all the ignorant rascist fuckwits above.... this is from

This charity is OBJECTIVE, not a bunch of fucking retard anal obsessed rascist arseholes like you lot. On the matter of those who rape (in the UK) they have this to say;

Myth Men of certain races and backgrounds are more likely to commit sexual violence.

Fact There is no typical rapist. Studies show that men who commit sexual violence come from every economic, ethnic, racial, age and social group. 85% of rapists are men known to their victims.

My sincere wish is that you get imprisoned for being the token "whitey" in possesion of dope and get severely gang raped by a whole gang of retard WHITE redneck rapists.

Fuck you all.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:41 | 2614429 Lednbrass
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Perhaps in the UK that is the case, not so in the US. FBI figures show a huge difference in the ethnic breakdown of rapists, with black males being many times more likely to commit that crime.

Statistically speaking, they are also many more times likely to commit murder.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 07:14 | 2619609 PoorByChoice
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don't waste your time with smiler, he is pointedly failing to mention that over here in the UK  a special crime unit that has been set up to deal with pakistani gangs grooming young girls

Thankfully decent muslims are not in denial because of ideology as smiler is:-

Head of the Ramadan Foundation Mohammed Shafiq sums it up best:

'There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community, there is an over-representation amongst recent convictions in the crime of on-street grooming, there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals. They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community. I urge the police and the councils not to be frightened to address this issue, there is a strong lesson that you cannot ignore race or be over sensitive.'

I find it interesting that smiler wishes a brutal sexual violence upon those whose opinion he disagrees with

No one should have to accept being raped (everyone is equal), but some are more deserving of it than others (some are more equal than others)....  according to smiler....

Zealots will be the ruin of all mankind

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:47 | 2613308 Dasa Slooofoot
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Yay!  False equivalency. 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:47 | 2613318 Robot Traders Mom
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I think what he's saying, and what I would imply for the US, is that we have enough bullshit to deal with in regards to our own citizens. Americans murder, rape, and everything else, but that is the point-we have enough problems to worry about without migrants. We don't need the problems of a third-world country, as well (read: Mexico).


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:51 | 2613343 DogSlime
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That seems like what he's saying. 

Other high intellectuals share the opinion... like this guy:

and here's an autotuned version of the same guy:

It's fair enough to quesiton immigration policies.  I feel that UK immigration policy might be too loose, but all this "Muslims rape our women" crap just makes the whole debate look sensationalist and stupid.

I am now braced for the inevitable junk-swarm :P

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:34 | 2614161 smiler03
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You get the maximum +1 I can give. I'm British and white. 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 17:04 | 2614529 akak
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I'm British and pasty white.

Corrected that for ya.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:55 | 2613361 ACP
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From one extreme post to another. The problem is that crimes by "protected" races are downplayed in order to further the view of both liberal and so-called conservative politicians, which is to keep immigration (illegal or otherwise) high for cheap labor. Like in the US. What do the liberal fuckwads in California care that there are 20,000 illegal aliens in California prisons alone?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:16 | 2613451 Seorse Gorog fr...
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Oh hello.


I was (not obviously) being a bit tongue-in-cheek to highlight his confirmation bias.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:39 | 2613544 Miffed Microbio...
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Interesting thing is as well these illegal immigrants in prison get fantastic medical care. I do a lot of work for the local prisons, mostly Tuberculosis cultures which are often positive. I've considered robbing a bank if I lose my insurance to get in on the gravy train but it probably won't work because I'm white.


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:39 | 2614177 smiler03
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Hopefully you'll be shot while you're committing the robbery. That bullet will preferably make you a drooling incontinent mute deaf blind paraplegic and you will have an exceptionally long lifespan. No worries about money or healthcare for you ma boy. 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:18 | 2614339 Miffed Microbio...
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Hmmm, maybe because you're British you didn't get my post. In America people have been known to stage an armed robbery of a bank (literally,show a gun and sit down on the floor and wait for the cops to come) because they know they'd get good medical care in prison. You have socialized medicine and probably don't see that much. Well... We do too technically but....I digress. Oh and FYI I'm a women just to clear that up. I guess I need to use the /sarc for those less astute.


Mon, 07/16/2012 - 06:17 | 2619565 PoorByChoice
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MM, Your humour is wasted on smiler

You haven't declared a wish to rob a bank to harm anyone but simply "to be incarcerated to avoid paying for the idealogy of the likes of smiler"

For that heinous thought crime he wishes you a long, vegetable like existence.

Meanwhile he and his ilk will be busy "Fixing" real bank robbers ready for release to resume their criminal life outside once more.

Think about how evil an idealogy that is...........

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 06:20 | 2619567 PoorByChoice
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or even ideology  LOL!

damn, were is spellcheck again?

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 13:18 | 2620800 Miffed Microbio...
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Thanks P by C. I really needed an explanation on that one! Frankly I was just perplexed... was he defending incarcerated illegals with tuberculosis? Or is he just an A-hole? I guess the latter. I don't mind getting thrashed anew for any opinion I share here, just comes with the territory. Besides, getting one's world shaken up a bit sometimes is good for the soul. Irrational vehemence though just isn't very constructive. It's more confusing than offensive to me, I must have touched a festering wound. Thanks for the support. Too bad there are more banksters in prison with TB, certainly would make my daily work more enjoyable. Just picturing them slowly suffering with a multi drug resistant TB ask they take their last labored breath....oh crap, now i sound like smiler!


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:51 | 2613492 knightowl77
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...." mostly intelligent educated people" you mean the people that brought us so far into debt and down the rabbit hole that there is no way out???

Those people? Fk -em and those that think they "know better" than the people....

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:11 | 2613406 Maos Dog
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I made this post too quickly cause I was pissed at the stupid author.

I am not going to argue about muslims, rape, crime, HBD, or any of those things. What makes me INSANE with anger is when a dip-shit author dismisses legitimate concerns some people have about crime and quality of life with a "hand-wave" against "racists" or the "evil right-wingers".

It's bullshit and intellectually lazy, and should be spurned.


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:14 | 2613437 DogSlime
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The concerns about crime are legitimate, but pointing at "Muslim rapists" in such general terms is no different than pointing at "Catholic child abusers" or "White Paedophiles".  These crimes are very much multi-cultural and it's a dostortion to tag the crimes to race or religion.

The graphs themselves are enough - we have high unemployment in the UK.  We cannot take any more people because we can't afford to.  No need for anything more inflammatory than that.

Close the borders until the economy is recovered.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:13 | 2674316 Seorse Gorog fr...
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Here's some perspective for your face...

Read it (although I only saw it today. I think this thread is dead).

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:39 | 2613268 icanhasbailout
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Immigration is part of the equation in creating artificial growth.


Hey, anyone remember the phrase "jobs Americans won't do"?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:51 | 2613338 pods
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Immigration is also the only way they can keep expanding the debt supply with our (USA) population slowing the rate of growth.

It is ALL about the debt supply to keep the ponzi going.  

The added benefit of fracturing society to keep people from finding out is just gravy.

Why do you think illegal immigrants can get loans quite easily?

Cause that is why they want them here!

Exponential expansion requires desperate measures.


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:16 | 2613452 MillionDollarBoner_
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One other reason TPTB love immigration - to divide and rule.

Ever noticed how the MSM stoke the fires of sectarian hatred?

When everything goes south, and it will, TPTB will be a-stealin' out the door on tippy-toes while we fight amongst ourselves.


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:57 | 2613363 PivotalTrades
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Did you ever consider that if all the illegal labor wasn’t available that maybe the wage that would have to be paid would be enough to entice some Americans to do that work? 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:07 | 2613684 docj
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More likely the work either wouldn't get done or it would get done by far fewer people.

Not saying these are necesarily bad things, just that it's no panacea.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:06 | 2613992 Thisson
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You must be kidding - people will do any job if it pays enough.  Look at investment banking, for example.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:32 | 2614154 docj
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Sure - but you're assuming of course that people are going to be willing, out of the goodness of their heart I assume, to "pay enough" for that work.

Anything people are not willing to "pay enough" for will go undone, while "paying enough" does not necesarily mean the payer is going to be willing to "pay more" for the work.


Sat, 07/14/2012 - 10:48 | 2615566 NumberNone
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Employers in the US are forced to compete against government and government largess for labor.  How much more do you have to compensate in order to overcome the option of just waiting on a government handout?  In the absence of government competition, the employers can find the workers they need.  The book 'Grapes of Wrath' illustrates what people will do for work when there are no other options. 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 17:06 | 2614534 WillyGroper
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<<<<<<<<Hey, anyone remember the phrase "jobs Americans won't do"?

How many do you know that harvest fruits & veges? And, how many whites do you know bitch about Mexicans taking away their jobs? 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:39 | 2613271 Cult_of_Reason
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Same shit is in the US, more immigration (legal or illigal) translates into more profits for the banksters and ultra rich who own this country. They do not give a shit that the US is transformed into a third world country and quality of living is declining for the middle class.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:05 | 2613401 blunderdog
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Bang on.  You know no one IMPORTANT wants to do anything about illegal immigration in the USA one does anything.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 17:09 | 2614543 WillyGroper
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What does the jobs being offshored have to do with turning this kleptocratic rule into a 3rd world country?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:39 | 2613273 Muppet of the U...
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Wow I can see what you are going for.  But once again retard, central banking is the flaw that makes countries weak. WOW, its like econ 101.


Monopolies crush societies.  And a monopoly on money?  Is the deathknell of a society. 

So you pretending that immigration is a problem?  ISN"T a F'ing concern!

The problem?  Is a central banking central planning socialist country that values welfare and inflation over capitalism and anarchy.  Get it?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:42 | 2613290 Muppet of the U...
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And when I read the other comments above, about politics, as if democracy- giving idiots the right to control others- was a good idea...

and talking about racism, as if taking pride from something others did (even if they were your parents) makes you a better or stronger person...

At times like this I am reminded of how pathetic people are, and what a terrible mistake overbreeding the population was.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:07 | 2614002 PoorByChoice
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and talking about racism, as if taking pride from something others did (even if they were your parents) makes you a better or stronger person...

So when I take pride in the fact:-

 one of my great uncles died flying a reconnaissance mosquito over natzi occupied territory (where they were using a factory to produce heavy water incidentally)

and the stories of another who watched his best friend killed in front of him trying to protect the shipping in the atlantic

I'm just a dumb racist who takes strength from these men that something of my nations values is worth fighting and dying for?

If humanity offends you so and "overbreeding" is such an issue send me your address, I'll happily post the 12 paracetomal you need to make a start    For all our sakes, be as selfless as my great uncle....



Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:01 | 2614282 Muppet of the U...
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none of their feats makes you a stronger or better person.  Who you ARE, and what you DO, makes you a better person.  Simple, easy to understand, not hard to comprehend. 

You are judged by your abilities and feats.  Not the feats of others.  Why is this so hard for humans to grasp?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 17:44 | 2614617 blunderdog
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Seems you may be the one who doesn't understand. Some people's brains are more dependent on assessing in-group/out-group status.  This is not a question of understanding an ideal, it's a question of a biological imperative.

"How can we be in if there is no outside?"

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 06:04 | 2619560 PoorByChoice
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Muppet, I am fully aware of my responsibility for my actions but I must ask:-

Why does the judgement of others dictate if I am a better or stronger person? 

The people of Germany once thought Hitler was great, was their judgement valid?

What I BELIEVE and what I am PREPARED to do in order to defend my beliefs dictates if I am a better person 

I may never be called to defend that tenet so by your definition cannot be a "better" person!?!...     balderdash! 

why is that so hard for you to grasp?  Re-examine your premise.


and nothing in your reply answers my question of how being inspired by relatives make you a racist either!

Why do you think the first action of a tyrant on seizing power is to dissociate children from their parents history?

Sorry, rhetorical question, how can anyone who glibly throws away democracy grasp anything of value?


As for the second point, I note you don't feel like taking up the offer to alleviate the overbreeding issue

your so concerned about.

Not surprised, it's always the "tell" of the closet dictator to demand the sacrifice of others whilst believing

you are part of the elite that should survive

How are things down in the bunker these days? It must be getting cramped with all those other elites who

"Must survive for the future of humanity"

Now there's a sweet irony.....

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 07:19 | 2619616 PoorByChoice
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Muppet!!!      A down arrow from you already!

At least the internet connection to the bunker is still up.... LOL!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:42 | 2613552 knightowl77
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Immigration here in the USA IS a real problem. It is not the main problem but it exacerbates the problems that already existed....

We don't have enough money to house the prisoners, to school the children, to build the roads & bridges, to enlarge the hospitals, that more people require....More people, means consuming more energy, more food, more traffic, more overcrowding, less free space.

More people means higher prices, because more money is competing for the goods and services that are in limited supply.....

Right now we have approx 1 million legal new immigrants here each and every year. Up to a million more illegal immigrants, and most of those are not border crossers, but Visa overstays. Overstays from the middle east and the former soviet union...They get off the plane and already have their Medi-Cal card on hand for free stuff. The city where I work is a sanctuary city in So Cal that has the highest percentage of its residents of any city in Kali on some form of gov't assistance. Housing, Welfare, Food Stamps, Medi-Cal and the list goes on.....We cannot afford the costs of all the services for legal residents, let alone the ones here illegally.....

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:40 | 2613275 optimator
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And the little guy that's all excited about giving anyone that wanders in a home and benefits just can't figure out why his benefits are going down and he can't find work doing landscaping!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:40 | 2613480 Bob
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One of the retarded "wedge issues" thrown out by the dimocrat-rethuglican tag-team party to give the masses some release from their real frustrations and shape a bogus political "debate" that never veers into the real shit and WTF we could actually do about it. 

Much better to have passionate useful idiots carrying all the water like sorcerer's apprentices.  

It makes them feel like they're part of something really, really important.

Finger pointing marathon grinds on, oligarchy cashes in. 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 17:13 | 2614558 WillyGroper
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bravo, Bob.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:40 | 2613277 chubbar
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I certainly do blame our leadership (or lack thereof) for the immigration problem. I also blame them for the illegal immigration problem as well, although it is an entirely different subject.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:40 | 2613278 n9lhm
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So now show a breakdown of legal vs. illegal immegration in the UK. And then compare it to legal vs. illegal immigration in the US.


Legal (controlled) immigration isn't the problem. Illegal immigration is.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:48 | 2613320 Diplodicus Rex
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Sorry, in the UK, legal immigration is indeed the problem. See my other post on this issue.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:27 | 2613503 zuuma
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Immigration may be a problem. The larger problem in Britain is fertility rates.

If my trip across the pond is comped, I stand ready to assist.

I will gladly sacrifice a month of my time in order to fertilize as many young, attractive British women as possible.

In order to maintain a good sperm count, I will need to limit the schedule to 4 or 5 women per day. It's important to avoid scuffing or callousing the dispenser, too.

After one month, my small contribution to the fertility problem should be about 150 or so, expectant British mothers.

I'll be tired, but proud to have helped.

God Save The Queen!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:48 | 2613566 AnAnonymous
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as many young, attractive British women as possible.


If you accept the work load to find them, hey, why not?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:18 | 2614079 pods
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Come on people, this one is actually pretty good!


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 17:16 | 2614569 WillyGroper
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Throwing aroung that kind of seed must leed to whoreticulture.

Sat, 07/14/2012 - 04:32 | 2615338 Vigilante
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Well...Jokes aside...

The problem resides with the refusal of 'liberated' young women to get ivolved with the drudgery of raising a family.

The canary has fled the cage and it's not coming back guys.

Hence the silent exodus of white guys and/or importation of third world brides

Sat, 07/14/2012 - 06:00 | 2615372 cpt crash
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Can't really blame them can you? In US 56% of divorces are from one partner obsessing in Web porn. That from the National Lawyers association. In Britain it's probably higher. What woman would want children with daddy in the den beating off. Third world brides end up leaving guys too!


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:54 | 2613357 Tortuga
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"Legal (controlled) immigration isn't the problem)"  Really? We have a 64 or 63% employment rate among people that want to work and we still have H1 visas coming in, and never leaving after an anchor baby or 3 and we don't have out of work CITIZENS trained for these jobs? More lies from the elitists.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:06 | 2613409 Winston Churchill
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I contest tyour statement of most Americans wanting to work.

In 14 years of business in Florida I have gone through approx. 1500 Americans to

employ 5 that wanted to work.

You are living in the past.The immigrants are just about the only ones

left who genuinely want to work.

The unemployed are now the unemployable.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:28 | 2613509 Bob
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Fortunately, there's no shortage of great bosses.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:40 | 2613279 Tortuga
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I blame that trust fund baby, Ted "the swimming coward" Kennedy.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:46 | 2613286 i-dog
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Economic migrants go to where jobs or opportunities to create jobs exist.

Parasite migrants go to where the free shit is given out by governments stealing from the haves and giving to the newly-arrived have-nots.

Get rid of governments and get back to the self-levelling effects of innovation and freedom.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:50 | 2613332 Diplodicus Rex
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Agreed, it was the lure of unlimited welfare that provided the magnet. Without it, the amount of immigration would have been much, much less. Before Labour instigated its open borders policy in 1997 they forecast that the UK would receive 80k Polish immigrants. In the event we got 800k. They were out, deliberately, by a factor of 10, at least.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:59 | 2613370 ACP
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Yup, exactly right. I just wish there was a way to get this done without going too far overboard. We're (at least the US) is as far to the left as (in)humanly possible. Will a collapse send everyone to the extreme other end? Who knows?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:17 | 2613456 blunderdog
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    We're (at least the US) is as far to the left as (in)humanly possible.


Most of the civilized world has greater civil liberty and a more secure social safety net.  You're just nuts.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:27 | 2613504 Totentänzerlied
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And look how well that's going!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:10 | 2613703 ACP
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If your definition of sanity is making 40oz sodas illegal, expanding federal welfate programs by $700 billion (A YEAR) and closing down Border Patrol offices in order to allow in more illegal aliens (many of whom are criminals), then yes, I am nuts.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:32 | 2613816 blunderdog
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There's nothing "liberal" about statism, wacko.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:03 | 2613393 AnAnonymous
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Stealing from the haves?

This from US citizens who have been benefiting from various ponzis from birth?

US citizens have been robbing the world blind since inception.

And now they would be stolen by migrants?

US citizenism at work.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:22 | 2613465 i-dog
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LOL ... It was the Chinese who rushed to California and Australia to steal all the gold during the respective gold rushes!

Then they stole my laundry!!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:24 | 2613486 AnAnonymous
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Chinese rushing in California and Australia?

Let me guess, the negroes rushing in the US to steal the cotton harvested during the cotton boom?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:41 | 2613541 i-dog
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Made me laugh ... a straw man that is more easily blown down than a Chinese-made apartment building!!

The Chinese chose to go to the US and Australia -- without any restriction whatsoever on numbers (at least at the destination ends)!

If they found gold, they sent it home to their families or invested it in creating local businesses and employment.

If they didn't find gold, they went back home again (after stealing my laundry).

Please expound on how the negroes chose to rush to the US ... and feel free to add any other rambles that float through your empty space where the rest of us keep our brain.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:52 | 2613588 AnAnonymous
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Chinese chose to go to the US to support the gold rush?

They could send gold back to their home?

You know, that people coming from China had to suffer from one of US citizen favourite sports, ethnical cleansing?

That is the bridge to the negro point: if you are ready to support the chinese strawsmen, why not go for bigger, say that the negroes rushed to the US to profit from the cotton boom.

You know, US citizenism, when bigger than biggest is not big enough...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:01 | 2613623 akak
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You know, that people coming from China had to suffer from one of US citizen favourite sports, ethnical cleansing?

So you say, in contrast to historical fact, although anti-Oriental racism was of course alive and well in the 19th Century USA.  And yet your Sons of Heavens still willingly came in their thousands to work on the railroads and in the fisheries of the western USA.  Something tells me that maybe things were not quite so peachy for them back in the glorious Middle Kingdom of fabled past, eh?

Something also tells me that after constantly repeating your outrageous lies and bigotry here, you could profit from some ethical cleansing.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:02 | 2613649 AnAnonymous
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Something tells me that maybe things were not quite so peachy for them back in the glorious Middle Kingdom of fabled past, eh?


In the non fabled past, some things that were not so peachy happened in China, like the forceful presence of US citizens.

Having US citizens at home is another cause to migrate. You've got them already on your back so why not move to their homeland?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:15 | 2613724 akak
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The "forceful presence" of 19th century Americans in CHINA?

What the fuck are you talking about?

Your babbling of raging nonsense and pure bigoted gibberish is reaching new heights, or new depths, as the case may be.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:25 | 2613783 AnAnonymous
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You do not know that US citizens were present in China during the nineteenth century?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:35 | 2613827 akak
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No such a thing was not possible, as the blobbing-uppityness of 19th century Sons of Heaven racism presented a hermetic barrier to the penetration of foreign devils into glorious and perfect realm of imperial Middle Kingdom golden la-la land certainly never led to even one impoverished Chinese emigrant seeking jobs in benighted total-pro-slavery-yet-slavery-abolished United States of Easter Island Time-Traveling Destructionism firmly.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:52 | 2613910 AnAnonymous
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The barrier was indeed very hermetic.

Sat, 07/14/2012 - 05:54 | 2615371 cpt crash
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Mexicans and other hispanics are a mix of Spanish, Asian, Mestizo, and Northern European. Some Mexicans are mistaken for Asian. Zimmerman is a case in point.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:41 | 2613289 Diplodicus Rex
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You'll see from that graph that the immigration graph takes an uptick beginning in 1997. This was the year that the disastrous, fascist Labour party took office and implemented Andrew Neathers policy of unbridled immigration. Prior to this policy the country would (naturally) swing left to right in opposition to the flavour of the incumbent party. Every time an election was held the new party would reverse some of the policies of the old. Labour hatched a fiendish plan to prevent that from happening the next time they were put out of power. Andrew Neather proposed throwing the country under a bus by allowing unbridled immigration. This would have two effects:

1) The swing back to the other side after losing the next election would be less severe if not halted due to the dilution effect.

2) The Labour party increased its voting base by the number of immigrants upon whom it lavished every conceivable welfare benefit.




Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:24 | 2613490 MillionDollarBoner_
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Well said.

Not only did the policy create "natural" Labour voters from the grateful immigrants; it also ensured a higher level of unemployment for UK citizens who could then form the core of the "welfare dependent client layer" who would always vote for "more free stuff".

Kudos to the guy who dreamed that one up - 17 years in power for TB and GB ;o)

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:54 | 2614251 smiler03
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+1 but it was 13 years, thank fuck it wasn't 17.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:45 | 2613301 ArsoN
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At least from an American standpoint, it's not bad if an immigrant is productive and pays taxes.  Given fiscal state of most western nations, immigration may be an easy way of keeping the social security ponzi going a bit longer.  That only works if you document the people coming in though.

It would be interesting (and totally not politically correct) if authorities took a more active aproach to immigration and try to engineer it in a way as to maximize tax revenue.  


Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:00 | 2613379 Diplodicus Rex
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In the UK a large proportion of the immigrant population work for the government. Government employees do not pay NI (National Insurance) or PAYE (Income Tax). Their salary slip says that they do but the entity paying those taxes is the same entity which receives them. Therefore the wage slip is a fabrication. No tax is actually paid. Therefore, they are an overhead, to be paid for out of the productive part of society (private sector).

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:07 | 2614268 smiler03
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No wonder you're extinct. Somebody has money deducted from their salary but they don't pay tax? Where do you think the money goes? It goes to support the mentally handicapped in their homes and to process the vast amounts of manure that they generate. 

That's you by the way.

Without "services" you can kiss goodbye to 72% of UK GDP. Farewell to the NHS and 1.7 million jobs. To replace that lost 72% I suggest a Jurassic park theme attraction with you being the tethered goat, or diplodocus if you prefer.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:34 | 2614402 Diplodicus Rex
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If I take £5 out of my left pocket, give you a piece of paper to say that I paid it to you but then took it back and then place the same £5 in my left pocket, did you actually give me any money? The piece of paper says you did but no money changed hands. Pouring out your vitriol does not change maths. Thats the beauty of maths. It doesn't rely on your opinion and is not changed by vitriol.

Please re-read my post. I never said that we didn't need services. I said that state employees do not pay tax. I stand by that statement.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:22 | 2613474 blunderdog
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If you're talking about LEGAL immigrants, I agree.

But if you're including ILLEGAL immigrants, that's way wrong.  The fact that many of our biggest businesses are able to employ illegals decreases the "market valuation" of all forms of workers everywhere.  When certain groups are truly disposable and exploitable, everyone competing for any low-level position is forced to compete with a "second-class" level of the labor-force.

The American citizen is being driven deeper into exploitation with the threat of illegals to perform their jobs.  This happens with H1Bs, too, but to a far lesser degree because most of the increased overhead of dealing with "legal" employees is paperwork and regulations, not so much wages.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:25 | 2613494 AnAnonymous
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The American citizen is being driven deeper into exploitation with the threat of illegals to perform their jobs.


And the threat of slaves performing their jobs, it pushed US citizens deeper into exploitation?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:50 | 2613899 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous babbled:

And the threat of slaves performing their jobs, it pushed US citizens deeper into exploitation?

Nowadays the slaves performing their jobs are called FoxConn employees.

Chinese citizenism, hypocritical to the end.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:54 | 2613913 AnAnonymous
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FOx conn employees are not slaves. They are low waged employees as demanded by US citizen economics.

Transfers always work better with steep gradients.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:03 | 2613975 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous practices his comedy:

FOx conn employees are not slaves. They are low waged employees as demanded by US citizen economics.

Made me laughing the very much hardly.

The next joke in your act will be that US prisoners laboring for 1 yuan per hour are not slaves. They are students in government sponsored vocational training.

Your offuscation and hypocricy is much of skilled. Ever think of applying to US government employment? Your skills would be well suited, as they are now for Chinese citizenism government propaganda. After all, US citizenism is just Chinese citizenism looking back at you in the mirror.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:09 | 2614017 AnAnonymous
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FoxConn employees are prisoners?

And big, the US government is no longer representative of 'Americanism' but of the fantasy named chinese citizenism...

Since you are in this department, could you remind by who your country is occupied and for how long?

Since we are in the laughing quarter...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:58 | 2614269 TheFourthStooge-ing
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FoxConn employees are prisoners?

They could easily escape through suicide until the nets were put up around the buildings to prevent it.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:10 | 2614309 AnAnonymous
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A luxury that actual slaves in US citizen nations had not.

If fox conn employees were slaves, that would be another mistake by Chinese on their path to US citizenism...

Hopefully, they are not slaves and this can be called a progress for humanity, US citizen style.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:05 | 2613985 akak
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Chinese sweatshop indentured laborers are not slaves. They are low waged employees as demanded by totalitarian Communist Chinese dictatorship of the proletariatans.

The flow of freedom current in China is always met by resistance from ruling elite.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:12 | 2614035 AnAnonymous
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US citizens employ them... It is that story of US citizen jobs being shipped to China and all, you know...

Sat, 07/14/2012 - 11:19 | 2615652 NumberNone
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So you are telling us that the Chinese government that killed 50MM+ of it's own citizens during Mao's Great Leap Forward is cowering at the demands of US companies and in no way could change the work conditions of FoxCon?  What a bunch of pussies.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:34 | 2613525 MillionDollarBoner_
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A true story to go with all the hyperbole.

A friend of mine is a fully qualified electrician. When London won the Olympics he applied for a job working on the Stratford site. He didn't get it because the majority of British applicants were not needed.

Firms employing only qualified British workers were underbid by companies employing "bozoes" (as they are known in the trade, a corruption of "Bosnian" although the term apparently applies to anyone from East of Danzig).

Essentially, only a fully qualified electrician can sign off jobs but those same jobs can be done by unqualified persons, so long as the work is "checked" and signed off by the qualified person.

So, thousands of unqualified, undocumented and non-tax-paying "bozoes" did all the work and only a few qualified, tax-paying Brits were required to sign off the work.

Shine a little light for y'all?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:53 | 2613595 AnAnonymous
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Your friend is very lucky.

Being an electrician in London can earn you a few bullets in the head...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:21 | 2613766 akak
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And if there is one thing that an unfree, oppressed Chinese Citizenism citizen understands well, it is the threat of a bullet to the head (the cost of which being charged to one's surviving family, of course, minus the nominal reimbursement for "voluntarily" donated organs).

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:26 | 2613790 AnAnonymous
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To be exported to help a US citizen life.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:56 | 2613928 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...or ground into powder to make Chinese citizenism 'health pills'.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:01 | 2613958 akak
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Or to make hard the notoriously limp and tiny Chinaman peepee.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:04 | 2613983 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...also known as the mighty inchworm.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:57 | 2613937 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous squatted and dropped another one:

Your friend is very lucky.

Being an electrician in London can earn you a few bullets in the head... can being a Tibetan citizen in Chinese citizenism occupied Tibet.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:13 | 2614047 AnAnonymous
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Well, this electrician was in occupied zone. Ah, yes, after all, why not? the US is as well occupied. So why not London?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:59 | 2614279 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Typical Chinese citizenism denial by evasion.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:13 | 2614324 akak
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Chinese Citizenism = denialism and chronic inability to self-indict.

In Chinese Citizenism, all sins and all faults are to be projected onto others --- this way, all blobbing-up can proceed without guilt or shame, much like lack of shame in making shit on side of Chinese road.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:20 | 2614351 AnAnonymous
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When it comes to speak about US being occupied?

Just wonder, by whom the US has been occupied, and for how long?

Running away much...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:04 | 2613662 blunderdog
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Well personally: I'm in favor of some basic labor solidarity, which makes me the target of a lot of hate around these parts.

Point noted.  I don't speak much about conditions on the ground in Europe--no knowledge.  I did watch East Indians completely overwhelm the IT industry in NYC a few years back. 

It sure did save a lot of businesses a lot of payroll and cost a lot of businesses a lot of productivity.  C'est la vie.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:46 | 2613304 AnAnonymous
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And of course, the top 5pc can provide any by themselves to the migrants.

It does not require US citizen middle class jobs etc

US citizens looking right, left, center at the exterior: no room to expand.

Only solution left: pushing people from the interior overboard. Who is a true US citizen and who can reside in the interior and keep benefiting from it?

If you are a migrant, a fatty, this or that, beware, the other US citizens are coming to get you.

Somebody has to be robbed in US citizen economics and people from the exterior are no longer enough...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:48 | 2613325 LawsofPhysics
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And of course, the top 5pc can provide any by themselves to the migrants.

"It does not require China citizen middle class jobs etc

China citizens looking right, left, center at the exterior: no room to expand.

Only solution left: pushing people from the interior overboard. Who is a true China citizen and who can reside in the interior and keep benefiting from it?

If you are a migrant, a fatty, this or that, beware, the other China citizens are coming to get you.

Somebody has to be robbed in China citizen economics and people from the exterior are no longer enough..." - fixed.

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