Guest Post: Immigration: Cui Bono ?

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by The Needle Blog

Immigration: Cui Bono?

Immigration is always a tricky subject to address honestly. Racists and the far right have dominated the debate and appropriated the language necessary to make even a well reasoned argument. Nevertheless, I think it is about time that some aspects of immigration, in the context of it’s supposed benefits (cui bono ?) are more widely understood and if by doing so I upset anyone, then I hope it will suffice to say that it is not my intention to do so. If you are from the USA you may like to know that the UK, with a population of 63 million, is one fifth of that of the USA, but the USA has a land mass 38 times bigger. In the USA there are 32.3 people per square kilometre, in the UK it is 250.2 per sq km.

It is a little known fact that if the immigration numbers were excluded from the UK population figures then the population would be fairly stable with only reasonable growth.

The Graph, above, shows the Total Fertility figures. These are the amount of children, on average, each woman has. Since the early 1970s the average has been less than two, you’ll notice an upturn since 2002, that’s a cultural change due to immigration [more on that below]. I want to consider why it is that the UK birth rate has remained at that low rate for 40 years.

There are a couple of reasons and they should be well known, in a country where there is an extremely low child mortality rate and which is relatively wealthy women tend towards smaller families. The poorer the country, the higher the child mortality rate, then, as a rule, the higher the fertility rate.

But a fertility rate below two does not mean that the population should be shrinking, because improved health care has increased life expectancy.

This all looks encouraging. The UK, like many developed  nations appears to be naturally compensating for increased life expectancy and improved health care with lower birth rates. This seems to indicate that we have reached a subtly new stage of human evolution of a mature civilisation.

But there is one big problem with all this, for some people at least. If you have a developed economy the economic growth based on efficiency is harder to find. It is far easier to get economic growth, especially if your economy is dependent of the domestic service sector, as the UK is, if you artificially increase the population of the country.

11.3% of the UK’s population was not born in the UK. Only 3.6% are from EU countries, 7.7% are from outside of the EU. So, if the UK’s population is 63 million, 7.119 million are not born in the UK, 2.268 million are from the EU, and 4.851 million are from outside of the EU. Without immigration the UK population would be less than 56 million, far less if you were to take away the children born to immigrants in the UK only in the last 10 years. [remember that upturn, top graph, in the Total Fertility statistics from 2002 onwards ?]  (source)

How many times have you heard that immigration is good for the UK economy ?

But all the benefits of this increased population go to the top 5% and all the costs are laid at the door of the other 95%.

For the top 5% the UK is nothing more than a market. Increase the size of the market and they increase the size of their profits, it really is as simple as that.

Don’t blame the immigrants for taking advantage of the situation in a perfectly legal way.

Blame the people who sold our country for their own profit!

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Segestan's picture

Liberals suck.......

Pladizow's picture

This is the cost of an empire upon which the sun once never set!

How muslims will win: (and this video is 3 years old)

Momar Quadafi - "There are signs Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. We dont need terrorists, we dont need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims in Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."

Randall Cabot's picture

"For the top 5% the UK is nothing more than a market. Increase the size of the market and they increase the size of their profits, it really is as simple as that."

I don't know about the UK but in the US your assertion would be incorrect since it is also small businesses like restaurants, landscapers and construction companies who are profiting from immigrant workers.

Also, you have avoided an important factor (likely the most important factor) that should be obvious to any non-politically correct observer and that is the notion of divide and conquer: bring in as many disparate groups into a country as possible, watch them go at each others throats and against the "government" and then use the ensuing mayhem as the pretense for the establishment of a police state and the totalitarian New World Order.

AnAnonymous's picture

US citizen middle class could not be benefiting from migration.

It has to be the top 5, top 1, the vatican, the city of london, the illuminati, the elite...

NotApplicable's picture

Other than pure delusion, I do not understand why the author talks in such fiction as "our country."

I Am The Unknown Comic's picture

I am so terribly offended!  Indeed yes, yes, offended I say!  I shall suffer the folly and find jolly in this trolly no longer!


Vampyroteuthis infernalis's picture

The UK, US whatever country is going to have to start and integrate immigrants into society. The US demanded it of European immigrants in the past. Now, we expect nothing out of immigrants and get the worst.

The Alarmist's picture

If you pick apart the fertility numbers by economic status, you start to see a more disturbing picture. Women who receive cash assistance ("benefits") are reproducing at rates two to three times the rate of other women in the society, and the current underclass of benefit-dependents will double by the year 2020 based on reproduction alone. Vast swaths of the North country and entire towns are benefits-dependent. Now add to that a heap of benefits-seeking immigrants and you have a real disaster looming not so far off in the future.

CTG_Sweden's picture

Randall Cabot:

"I don't know about the UK but in the US your assertion would be incorrect since it is also small businesses like restaurants, landscapers and construction companies who are profiting from immigrant workers.


Also, you have avoided an important factor (likely the most important factor) that should be obvious to any non-politically correct observer and that is the notion of divide and conquer: bring in as many disparate groups into a country as possible, watch them go at each others throats and against the "government" and then use the ensuing mayhem as the pretense for the establishment of a police state and the totalitarian New World Order."


My comments:

I don´t think that reason why the UK and other European countries after WWII (unlike Japan and later on South Korea) have allowed immigration on a large scale is that it generally benefits big business. Big business can always find new markets and cheap labour abroad. For some companies immigration and a more densely populated country might even be bad. Take the prefabricated home industry, for instance. If a country gets more densely populated, prices of sites for building will most likely increase. More people will live in flats and less people will live in their own prefabricated homes.


But I agree that there is no significant general economic reason for big business minimize immigration. On the other hand there is no significant general economic reason for big business to increase immigration in order make more money.


I don´t think that the explanation to the difference between Japan/South Korea and Europe as regards immigration is that big business in general benefits from immigration. I also doubt that small business owners are the explanation. I also doubt that the reason is that some people want to establish a police state or a totalitarian state. I agree that the degree of democracy and free speech we still enjoy in Europe can not be taken for granted. For instance, Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi who launched the idea of a European Union should probably be described as a dedicated anti-democrat (read his book Praktischer Idealismus). Furthermore, a majority of the populations in the British and French empires, respectively, were not entitled to vote in the early post-war years. But I don´t think that modern followers of Coudenhove-Kalergi need a totalitarian state in order to have their own way.

Pegasus Muse's picture

Got this email yesterday.  Thought it was spam.  Perhaps not....



Sent:Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:00 AM

Subject: Fwd: Please Read

In a quest for information I have found this, and think it appropriate to forward. Please read it and if you or anyone you know can produce information that will balance or defeat these ideas, then please share with me.  My goal is to gain knowledge not to spread untruths.

This author has in depth knowledge. So let's wake up.
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book:

Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of Halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature Halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4% (True - there are 2 systems of taxations here)
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% Muslim states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos.. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend Madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

'Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel". -- Leon Uris, 'TheHaj'

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be herding the sheep.

Obama and Janet Napolitano appointed Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.

DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already?

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering...

Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already??
That should make the US ' homeland much safer, huh!!Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago? Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood ?

Also: This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. -- They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
Can a Muslim be a good soldier??? Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at Ft. Hood and Killed 13. He is a good Muslim!!!

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.  Please don't delete this until you send it on.

Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:
1) Theologically -- no . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia
2) Religiously – no… Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
3) Scripturally - no… Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
4) Geographically – no… Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
5) Socially - no… Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews..
6) Politically - no…Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and     destruction of America, the great Satan.
7)Domestically - no… Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)
8) Intellectually - no… Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
9) Philosophically - no… Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
10) Spiritually - no… Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly Father, nor is he ever called ‘Love’ in The Quran's 99 excellent   names.

Call it what you wish, it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States -- Muslim 0.6%  Australia -- Muslim 1.5%  Canada -- Muslim 1.9%  China -- Muslim 1.8%  Italy -- Muslim 1.5%  Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

AnAnonymous's picture

Ah, Muslims have to up their game. They are not beefy enough.

10 pc to increase tension? Woooo, what US citizen percentage takes to increase tension? 1pc? Even less?

Small league players are doomed to stay small league players compared to US citizens.

pagan's picture

Both Bush and the Obama administrations have been conducting a full blown war against the Muslim world. Resulting in hordes of refugees to Europe.

Suggestion: Leave them alone.

SmittyinLA's picture

Actually the war is against everybody but Islam, or haven't you noticed the Caliphate governments that we placed into power with military force including  Kurdistan (a formerly non-existant state), Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Bosnia and much of North Africa.  

The refugee movement to the EU and US is policy, immigration is policy, Islam is policy. 

WillyGroper's picture

>>>>>>>> Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend Madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. For example, they will push for the introduction of Halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.>>>>>>>>>Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago?


Another attack on non-whites. My neighbors are Muslim. I guess living here in peace for 30 yrs. is not integrating into society peacefully. Madrassa--literally translated means "school". If they learn the Quran only, what does a degree in theology say? Halal is no different than Kosher for the Yids. You should hope the food you eat would be 1/2 as clean. Corporate food, I think not. 

How about Arabs, to the last point. Hmmmmm, who engineered that REALLY? Geeeeez, is this sponsored by DICK cheney & KBR?

malek's picture

 Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

The end of this century?? Why not make even more dire forecasts for the year 2500?

But one thing is true: The group with the highest birthrates will take over in the very long run, if they those people don't cut each other's throats that is.
However, birth rates are already imploding in Iran and Turkey for example...

Disenchanted's picture




s/ Yeah just look at all those Muslims in our establishment's power structure! /s


Somehow I don't think it's Muslims that are overrepresented in our society's power structure in relationship to their percentage of the population.


Regarding immigration, if the immigration laws can be ignored by certain groups then why have the fucking laws? If I take offense that some laws can be ignored by certain groups, that automatically classifies me as a racist? WTF is wrong with this picture?

Can I pick and choose which laws of our land I can ignore?

If our laws are subjective choices depending on who you are, then we are no longer governed by the rule of law but by the rule of men.

I demand my equal opportunity rights to ignore the laws of my choosing!

A Nanny Moose's picture

Muslims, meet EBT moms, and Largely Christian Latinos.

SmittyinLA's picture

the unsaid" ....thanks to Jewish global immigration policies

Errol's picture

Pladizow, Europe may or may not turn into a Muslim continent within a few decades - extrapolating current trends is not always a good predictive tool.

As I recall, within the last century both Germans and Slavs have made an organized and determined effort to remove differing ethnic groups from their area of influence, and were stopped only by outside force.  I have the same advise for a Muslim owning property or a business in Germany today as I would for a Jew in 1935: sell and leave while you still can on your own terms...

Praetorian Guard's picture

A Racist, Socialist, and Muslim walk into a bar, bartender says, "So what will it be Mr. President?...

Cui Bono's picture

Damn Damn Damn..... Away from ZeeHedge for nine hours and this is what happens..... You wait your whole avatarian life for a headline like this and now what.... 500 comments later I might as well just fart.....phttttbbbttttt.

A thoroughly disgusted Cui Bono!

Votewithabullet's picture

cuntservatives suck...

Ethics Gradient's picture

I just got back from Cuba. Education and healthcare for everyone. Very low income inequality. You'd love it.

But then income inequality is easy to address when everyone earns less than $50 a month, healthcare easy to provide when a lot of people can't afford to get to the hospital and education a bit pointless when you can't get a proper job to apply it in, but hey. I recommend you go and live the dream, chap!

Leopold B. Scotch's picture

Liberty Rocks.


Authoritarians are cunts.  That includes you, simple democracy worshippers. And you progressive smiling types.

SoNH80's picture

Seeing a doctor is free in Cuba-- they'll do a good job of telling you what ails you-- but only Dolares por favor for medicine, medical devices, etc.  And you only earn Pesos.  Wah wah wah.  Sounds like Obamacare, you have "guaranteed coverage", but it won't get you a damn thing if you actually need it.

smiler03's picture

If you bother to research some facts about Cuba vs US healthcare then you might realise that the US isn't exactly the best place in the world to live, and that's without even considering the costs.

Every ZH reader's favourite, Michael Moore's Sicko has some facts revealed by that US conservative leaning newspaper ....

Oh, mosquitos? They too live in da nile.

SoNH80's picture

I'm the last to say that the U.S. is without problems.  But our healthcare is a far sight better than Communist Cuba's, and Michael Moore is a smug limousine-liberal slob that engages in Potemkin pantomime for the benefit of other smug limousine liberals.

Communist Cuba is very popular among people that don't have to live there, on $1 a day.  In 1958, it was the most prosperous nation in Latin America.  Today, people are forced to prostitute themselves for toilet paper and cooking oil.

Lucky Guesst's picture

Then why do the wealthy and leaders from other countries come HERE for life saving medical treatments?

You could benefit from watching freakonomics. The numbers say what they are told to.

Lednbrass's picture

Did you actually call the NY Times a conservative leaning newspaper?

Its a bastion of frothing leftist moonbats. There are many things one can call that rag, but conservative leaning? What a bizarre statement.

Duke of Con Dao's picture

I know a man who lived there in the 1990s and 'owned' a house. This is not the story he told me. The hospitals and clinics you see in Havana were built primarily for the party elites and tourist. In the rest of the country you'll probably end up in a hospital room that hasn't been painted since the Revolution and reeks of urine... I could go on...

pagan's picture

Considering they have been under a full US embargo since the early 60's, they are doing surprisingly well.


Stuck on Zero's picture

Gosh they only have the other 95% of the world to trade with.  What's the problem with that?


Jena's picture

Cuba's vaunted healthcare system isn't getting money from Russia, anymore, it seems.  And though there are efforts to keep it quiet, word is getting out that the first cholera outbreak in about 100 years is overrunning the country's health system.

Large cholera outbreaks generally mean contaminated water and/or food.

Bay of Pigs's picture

Good old Vote from Mish's blog. Gold still going to $300?


Maos Dog's picture

"Racists and the far right"

You mean, those stupid, moronic people that don't like their daughters and wives being raped?

Seorse Gorog from that Quantum Entanglement Fund. alright_.-'s picture

So you're saying that in the UK, it's only Muslims that do the raping?


And you're saying that anyone not at the far right and not racist (ie. mostly intelligent educated people) do like their daughters and wives being raped.


Right. Got it.

Diplodicus Rex's picture

Clearly the use of the word 'only' in your statement means that it cannot be a true statement. However, such is the sexual repression inherent in the mind-bogglingly stupid religion the sex-starved young muslim males have a much higher propensity to rape than their equivalent n-n mulsim peers. Please read Chris Hitchens book "God is not great" for an insight into this issue.

Seorse Gorog from that Quantum Entanglement Fund. alright_.-'s picture

I don't need to read Hitchens. Just like political parties, far-right groups and nonsense supersitions, all religions take advantage of the human nature of fear and insecurity to control and repress. Sometimes this unleashes the animal within just like with Catholic priests or satanic nutters:

smiler03's picture

To all the ignorant rascist fuckwits above.... this is from

This charity is OBJECTIVE, not a bunch of fucking retard anal obsessed rascist arseholes like you lot. On the matter of those who rape (in the UK) they have this to say;

Myth Men of certain races and backgrounds are more likely to commit sexual violence.

Fact There is no typical rapist. Studies show that men who commit sexual violence come from every economic, ethnic, racial, age and social group. 85% of rapists are men known to their victims.

My sincere wish is that you get imprisoned for being the token "whitey" in possesion of dope and get severely gang raped by a whole gang of retard WHITE redneck rapists.

Fuck you all.

Lednbrass's picture

Perhaps in the UK that is the case, not so in the US. FBI figures show a huge difference in the ethnic breakdown of rapists, with black males being many times more likely to commit that crime.

Statistically speaking, they are also many more times likely to commit murder.

PoorByChoice's picture


don't waste your time with smiler, he is pointedly failing to mention that over here in the UK  a special crime unit that has been set up to deal with pakistani gangs grooming young girls

Thankfully decent muslims are not in denial because of ideology as smiler is:-

Head of the Ramadan Foundation Mohammed Shafiq sums it up best:

'There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community, there is an over-representation amongst recent convictions in the crime of on-street grooming, there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals. They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community. I urge the police and the councils not to be frightened to address this issue, there is a strong lesson that you cannot ignore race or be over sensitive.'

I find it interesting that smiler wishes a brutal sexual violence upon those whose opinion he disagrees with

No one should have to accept being raped (everyone is equal), but some are more deserving of it than others (some are more equal than others)....  according to smiler....

Zealots will be the ruin of all mankind

Robot Traders Mom's picture

I think what he's saying, and what I would imply for the US, is that we have enough bullshit to deal with in regards to our own citizens. Americans murder, rape, and everything else, but that is the point-we have enough problems to worry about without migrants. We don't need the problems of a third-world country, as well (read: Mexico).


DogSlime's picture

That seems like what he's saying. 

Other high intellectuals share the opinion... like this guy:

and here's an autotuned version of the same guy:

It's fair enough to quesiton immigration policies.  I feel that UK immigration policy might be too loose, but all this "Muslims rape our women" crap just makes the whole debate look sensationalist and stupid.

I am now braced for the inevitable junk-swarm :P

smiler03's picture

You get the maximum +1 I can give. I'm British and white. 

akak's picture

I'm British and pasty white.

Corrected that for ya.