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Guest Post: Immigration: Cui Bono ?

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Immigration: Cui Bono?

Immigration is always a tricky subject to address honestly. Racists and the far right have dominated the debate and appropriated the language necessary to make even a well reasoned argument. Nevertheless, I think it is about time that some aspects of immigration, in the context of it’s supposed benefits (cui bono ?) are more widely understood and if by doing so I upset anyone, then I hope it will suffice to say that it is not my intention to do so. If you are from the USA you may like to know that the UK, with a population of 63 million, is one fifth of that of the USA, but the USA has a land mass 38 times bigger. In the USA there are 32.3 people per square kilometre, in the UK it is 250.2 per sq km.

It is a little known fact that if the immigration numbers were excluded from the UK population figures then the population would be fairly stable with only reasonable growth.

The Graph, above, shows the Total Fertility figures. These are the amount of children, on average, each woman has. Since the early 1970s the average has been less than two, you’ll notice an upturn since 2002, that’s a cultural change due to immigration [more on that below]. I want to consider why it is that the UK birth rate has remained at that low rate for 40 years.

There are a couple of reasons and they should be well known, in a country where there is an extremely low child mortality rate and which is relatively wealthy women tend towards smaller families. The poorer the country, the higher the child mortality rate, then, as a rule, the higher the fertility rate.

But a fertility rate below two does not mean that the population should be shrinking, because improved health care has increased life expectancy.

This all looks encouraging. The UK, like many developed  nations appears to be naturally compensating for increased life expectancy and improved health care with lower birth rates. This seems to indicate that we have reached a subtly new stage of human evolution of a mature civilisation.

But there is one big problem with all this, for some people at least. If you have a developed economy the economic growth based on efficiency is harder to find. It is far easier to get economic growth, especially if your economy is dependent of the domestic service sector, as the UK is, if you artificially increase the population of the country.

11.3% of the UK’s population was not born in the UK. Only 3.6% are from EU countries, 7.7% are from outside of the EU. So, if the UK’s population is 63 million, 7.119 million are not born in the UK, 2.268 million are from the EU, and 4.851 million are from outside of the EU. Without immigration the UK population would be less than 56 million, far less if you were to take away the children born to immigrants in the UK only in the last 10 years. [remember that upturn, top graph, in the Total Fertility statistics from 2002 onwards ?]  (source)

How many times have you heard that immigration is good for the UK economy ?

But all the benefits of this increased population go to the top 5% and all the costs are laid at the door of the other 95%.

For the top 5% the UK is nothing more than a market. Increase the size of the market and they increase the size of their profits, it really is as simple as that.

Don’t blame the immigrants for taking advantage of the situation in a perfectly legal way.

Blame the people who sold our country for their own profit!

 

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Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:51 | 2613340 AnAnonymous
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Fixed?

US citizen way. By kicking the can.

There is no discontinuity between US citizen elite and its base. Simply an order of magnitude.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:57 | 2613364 LawsofPhysics
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Right, because the communist state is telling the truth, LMFAO!!!!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:00 | 2613383 AnAnonymous
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What truth? what communist state?

US citizens, tackling problems heads on. Once again...

But hey, it must be the elite, the top 1pc, the illuminati, the vatican, the city of london, the zimbabweans, the negroes, the fatties, the migrants etc

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:03 | 2613392 LawsofPhysics
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"what communist state?"  FAIL!  LMFAO!!!  So you admit to being a troll, just checking.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:16 | 2613450 AnAnonymous
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Just checking?

What is the connection between the post and a communist state telling the truth?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:07 | 2613996 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous asked:

Just checking?

What is the connection between the post and a communist state telling the truth?

They are both fantasy.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:14 | 2613436 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous squatted on the roadside and dropped this brown baby Mao:

What truth? what communist state?

Ah, right, I keep forgetting that your reality is a constantly swirling mystery, much like the opium smoke provided to you by your employer.

But hey, it must be the elite, the top 1pc, the illuminati, the vatican, the city of london, the zimbabweans, the negroes, the fatties, the migrants

...the US citizens, etc.

You are the most rigidly orthodox practitioner of the brand of Chinese citizenism that you call 'US citizenism'. You cannot see this, though, due to the self-inflicted blindness created by your buttholier-than-thou arrogance.

Oh, don't forget to wipe your ass.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:19 | 2613460 AnAnonymous
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What a collection of strawsmen.

Since Abraham Lincoln is told to be just a figment of my imagination, well, I suppose that pointing at John Wilkes Booth as his murderer has to be treated the same as putting US citizens at their right position.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:42 | 2613498 akak
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What a collection of strawsmen.

Made me laugh!

So says the premier buider of strawmen himself!

Please tell us again your fable about how Americans somehow destroyed the indigenuous culture on Easter Island both before they had had ANY contact with outsiders, and long before the USA was even founded as a nation!  I really like that one.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:04 | 2613664 AnAnonymous
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I will when you have told your tale abou the people of Easter Island being destroyed before 1776, July, 4th.

Please do that favour. The contempt and the scorn of humanity you put in that one is so fitting to US citizenism...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:10 | 2614020 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, rewriter of history:

I will when you have told your tale abou the people of Easter Island being destroyed before 1776, July, 4th.

Please do that favour. The contempt and the scorn of humanity you put in that one is so fitting to US citizenism...

He has already told you that, but as is typical of the eternal nature of Chinese citizenism, you deny, even though you know.

You know.

You deny.

You replace with fabled past.

This is the mettle of Chinese citizenism.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:15 | 2614056 AnAnonymous
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He has already? Well, lets not pout, and be once again be marvelled by the stunning piece of news that Eastern Island population was destroyed before 1776,July,4th.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:19 | 2614087 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It is well known to all, except in your fantasy rewritten history.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:50 | 2614231 AnAnonymous
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It is well known to all? Ah, by all, it means all compliant US citizens, right?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:02 | 2614290 TheFourthStooge-ing
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No, it means all who are not afflicted by the insanitation that has invaded your head.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:43 | 2614438 AnAnonymous
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That is a lot of people then because quite a lot of people report that Easter Island population was not destroyed in 1777.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 17:00 | 2614494 akak
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You have utterly no idea what the fuck you are talking about:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island#History

http://www.primitivism.com/easter-island.htm

http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/easter-island.htm

http://www.eco-action.org/dt/eisland.html

http://www.skeptically.org/env/id12.html

 

But hey, you never let history, facts or logic get in the way of your rabidly anti-American bigotry and nonsensical trolling before, so why start now?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:31 | 2613518 PiratePawpaw
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WTH are you talking about?

Interior and Exterior of what?...Lala land?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:46 | 2613305 LawsofPhysics
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Total bullshit, not all land is created equal.  Now back to the question as to why all of our resources are under their soil? < sarc off >

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:05 | 2613403 CCanuck
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That's easy, it's thier fault for being on our land before we get there! Were happy enough to rent them a small piece once we have Our resources.

NATO

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:47 | 2613315 jimijon
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One cannot have open borders and socialism. Without socialism I believe the immigration problem would not be a problem and would instead breath in and out.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:49 | 2613327 Robot Traders Mom
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You are correct in theory, but with a ponzi scheme, all that goes out the window...for the time being.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:53 | 2613352 AnAnonymous
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Ah, US citizens... those big knowledgeable human nature people.

People follow resources.

US citizens transfer resources to their territories to be consumed. People follow resources.

US citizen economics brings migration, be it internal or external.

And considering that point, US citizen borders are not that open. Far from that.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:59 | 2613372 LawsofPhysics
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"Ah, China citizens... those big knowledgeable human nature people.

 

People follow resources.

Cina citizens transfer resources to their territories to be consumed. People follow resources.

China citizen economics brings migration, be it internal or external.

And considering that point, China citizen borders are not that open. Far from that."  -  Fixed.

How are those big piles of coal doing in China anyway?  Tell us China citzen, is it easier to migrate to from America to China, or from China to America?

 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:14 | 2613433 AnAnonymous
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US citizenism is spreading in China, it is quite a clear trend.

Why migrate to China?

It goes against the flow of resources. A chinese has better opportunities of consuming the production of his country by moving to a US citizen nation, since US citizen nations make the bulk of the consumption.

US citizen economics.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:15 | 2613441 AnAnonymous
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And creating strawsmen after strawsmen is a US citizen way of fixing things.

Dont blame the US citizen elite when they do the same. They are just like you.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:34 | 2613529 Totentänzerlied
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So what you're saying is all Chinese China US Chinese Citizenisms, be they politburo or ricefarmer, squat on same roadside ditch?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:42 | 2613551 TheFourthStooge-ing
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All Chinese citizenism citizens are united as one when squatting for the glorious rite of excremeditation.

While Chinese citizenism roadsides are many, in a zen sort of way they are indeed the same ditch.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:53 | 2613593 akak
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As the Great Stoolman Mousy Dung famously stated in his Petite Crimson Publication: "A Chinese Citizenism turd in the hand is worth two in the roadside bush."

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:12 | 2614041 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The sacred Chinese citizenism rite of roadside excretion is referred to in that famous book as "fixing Mao's little red wagon".

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:37 | 2613537 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

And creating strawsmen after strawsmen is a US citizen way of fixing things.

More unsupported assertions from the Chinese citizenism master of sinister offuscation.

Dont blame the US citizen elite when they do the same. They are just like you.

Ah, ah, be sure to look into mirror when throating your mind in that manner.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:54 | 2613598 AnAnonymous
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I am not US citizen elite.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:05 | 2613639 akak
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You are indeed the MOST elite of the trolls, the highest blobbing-upper, the parangon of offuscationalizingism, the very crustiest bit of obsurationism and bigoted monolizing of the speeching means, the ultimate epitome of a definite something.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:06 | 2613673 AnAnonymous
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All that grown on US citizenism. It must another gift from US citizenism to humanity...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:11 | 2613712 akak
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The Tibetans thank you for your generous genocide.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:29 | 2613804 AnAnonymous
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Well, there is nothing to be thanked for.

When one is genocided the US citizen way, maybe, it is worth a few thanks.

US citizens know their job when it comes to genocides.

Han, after 3000 years, have not been able to manage a genocidal campaign whose efficiency compares to US citizen genocidal efficiency, as exhibited in 236 years in the US.

Chinese suck at certain sectors.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:15 | 2614062 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, still crapping:

Han, after 3000 years, have not been able to manage a genocidal campaign whose efficiency compares to US citizen genocidal efficiency, as exhibited in 236 years in the US.

Chinese suck at certain sectors.

Ah, ah, but you, as the US citizen elite talking mouth of Chinese citizenism, are working to help Han overtake US of A in that regard.

Very citizenish indeed.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:51 | 2614237 AnAnonymous
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Ah, but yes, it means that tibetans being killed is all fantasy.

How funny.

US citizenism at work.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:49 | 2613895 blunderdog
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Can't you kids play with the Chinaman troll somewhere else?  Get a chat room or something?  It gets a bit tiresome, yanno, and for sure it will never ever ever stop.  There are a BILLION of those guys!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:55 | 2613919 AnAnonymous
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They cant stop. They cant endure facing US citizenism reality.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:17 | 2614072 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The insanitation of AnAnonymous can't stop.

He can't endure facing US citizenism when he looks into the mirror.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:31 | 2614147 akak
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As the Founding Father and sole practitioner of US Citizenism, AnusAnonymous is duty-bound to promote his self-serving philosophy of blobbing-up in the ostensible name of the American people, with the actual goal of blobbing-up for his Chinese Communist paymasters, at every opportunity.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:52 | 2614244 AnAnonymous
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It does change nothing in the fact that 'Americanism' is at work right now. With consequences.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:58 | 2613942 akak
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As long as they insist on shitting on the side of the road, one can only clean up their shit from the side of the road.

Chinese Citizenism troll nature is eternal, sad to say.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:58 | 2613323 bob_dabolina
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It is far easier to get economic growth, especially if your economy is dependent of the domestic service sector, as the UK is, if you artificially increase the population of the country.

Tell it to Switzerland ass hole.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:41 | 2613554 MillionDollarBoner_
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Switzerland?

You means the home of the "Gnomes of Zurich" and Nazi Gold?

Are you holding them up as an example of how a country should conduct itself?

Tax shelter to the 1% and persecutor-by-proxy of the little man.

"Oh ja, zis iz not mein war but I vill hite your looted dental golt unt art treasures for you..at a price." 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 18:35 | 2614728 Bob
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The most lovely, lovely people!  So lovely that it often seems like there's some kind of glass wall or force field that separates you from them in their brilliantly clean world . . . even in person. 

Red flag, maybe?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:58 | 2613618 gojam
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The Swiss economy is an anomaly. You can't compare the UK, or most countries, with Switzerland.

Although Finance is part of the Service Sector, the Swiss model is not one that can be replicated.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:50 | 2613328 Dasa Slooofoot
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Denniger broke down some numbers.  "Immigration strengthens us" looks like another government/PC lie. 

 

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=208506

 

49% of the legal immigrants given permanent residence status in the last fiscal year had no job outside the home and another 27% had no known occupation.

That is, 76% of the legal immigrants coming into the country last year who were given permanent residence status are not producing anything in the economy. While 26% of those are children, who we can presume will eventually become productive citizens, fully half of those granted permanent residence status are adults and a net drain on the social fabric of our society.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:37 | 2613538 Totentänzerlied
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Wow a post mentioning he-who-shall-not-be-named that didn't get 100 downvotes! The new ZH ladies and gents.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:01 | 2613621 Rincewind
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Family of 4, Dad works, Mom looks after 2 kids. Dad 25%, Mom and kids 75%.

Just saying.

I know a few with that constellation that got green cards and citizenship.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:51 | 2613333 lasvegaspersona
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'Racists and the far right have dominated the debate '

 

because to be worried about ones country one would have to be racesis or a far Right nazi-type o guy ....

yep no plain ole good citizens worried about unrestrained immigration policy...moron

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:55 | 2613359 AnAnonymous
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US citizenism includes racism.

Right, left, all that matters is that they are US citizens.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:01 | 2613385 LawsofPhysics
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"China citizenism includes racism.


Right, left, all that matters is that they are China citizens." - Fixed, "China" literally means the center of the universe.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:16 | 2613449 akak
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Only in navel-gazing, insular, self-absorbed China are all those of different nationalities routinely referred to as "foreign devils".

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:46 | 2613561 MillionDollarBoner_
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Gwai Lo (gui lao in mandarin) (??) literally means "ghost man".[2] The term is sometimes translated into English as foreign devil.[3] The term arose in the 16th century when European sailors appeared in southern China as they were associated with barbarians. Historically, Chinese people had the image of its borders continuously breached by "uncivilized tribes" given to mayhem and destruction.[3] The term was popularised during the First and Second Opium Wars in response to the Unequal Treaties. In Southern parts of China, the term gwai lo was used. In Northern parts of China, the term (Western) ocean ghost ((?)??? (Xi) Yangguizi) was used, Europe being West of China.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gweilo

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:57 | 2613610 AnAnonymous
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What is it supposed to prove?

Barbarians are opposed to civilized people.

Secondly, ghost man, how is that racist?

Many people associated white people to ghosts when they encountered them.

Let me guess: the Indians were racist when they associate the negroes to buffalo.

The US citizen need for symetry. Never missed.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:27 | 2613507 AnAnonymous
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But hey, what is that song? The text needs to be repeated with the other members of the gang.

Aint China supposed to be a mono party country?

Multiple factions is the hallmark of US citizenism, you know, to create a false dichotomy and enable hegelian dialectics.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:48 | 2613567 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, while fouling another curbside, said:

Multiple factions is the hallmark of US citizenism, you know, to create a false dichotomy and enable hegelian dialectics.

Multiple roadsides present a hallmark dilemma for Chinese citizenism, you know, to create a fecal dichotomy. The resulting stench of New World Odor requires herculean anti-emetics.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:47 | 2613884 MillionDollarBoner_
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That fucktard wouldn't know "hegelian dialectics" if it kicked him in his nut (singular)

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:57 | 2613935 AnAnonymous
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Maybe, maybe not.

But as long as hegelian dialectics is so important for US citizens, the mere depiction of US citizens'doings will be enough to report their use of hegelian dialectics.

Painters can draw the mechanics of an engine without ever knowing the name of any bit.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:12 | 2614034 akak
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And autistic and retarded Chinese Citizenism trolls can draw the outlines of a myth called 'US Citizenism' without having any intelligence or ever knowing any bit of history.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:16 | 2614068 AnAnonymous
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'Americanism' once again called a myth? Wonderful how 'Americans' are now in the business of denying their own existence...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:24 | 2614114 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Wonderful how you deny your own existence by calling it Americanism.

Ah, ah, classic Chinese citizenism tactics. Denial, offuscation, denial, push blame to exterior, denial, fall back on fabled past, and more denial.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:53 | 2614249 AnAnonymous
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Denying my own existence? By reporting about 'Americanism'?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:31 | 2614132 akak
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Yes, just like it is a myth that Americans has ANYTHING to do with the late 16th-early 17th century societal collapse of Easter Island, long before that population had ANY contact with the outside world, much less with the citizens of the United States, which would not even exist for more than another 150 years. 

Fucking idiot, bigot and egregious liar.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:55 | 2614255 AnAnonymous
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Ah, but the Eastern Island society was still up in 1777.

But let me guess, it is one of those US citizen made events that would have happened anyway.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:11 | 2614310 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ah, but the Eastern Island society was still up in 1777.

Yes, much in the same way that Indian societies are up in North America.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:24 | 2614364 AnAnonymous
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Really? So it means that before 1777, Easter Island population no live in their language, religious customs?

How surprising to read.

But hey, it has to be something similar to US citizenism.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:44 | 2614446 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Really? So it means that before 1777, Easter Island population no live in their language, religious customs?

Their language, perhaps. The customs, no. Their society had deteriorated before 1777, and the old customs were no longer practiced.

How surprising to read.

You'll deny it, as you always do when something doesn't fit your rigid orthodoxy.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:45 | 2614451 AnAnonymous
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And more, that they have to refer to a US citizen government to determine if they were Eastern island people...

Woooo, US citizens are very knowledgeable people indeed.

The lies they want you to believe just in order for them to feel good...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:50 | 2613578 Totentänzerlied
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Yes, communist countries never have rivial mafia-like factions - Marxists, Leninists, Maoists, Stalinists, Trotskyites, Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, and all the fawning sycophants hanging off the leader's ballsack (until they're liquidated). The entire history of the Soviet Union is one enormous mafia war, ditto the People's Republic of China, that makes the Cosa Nostra look like schoolgirls.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:59 | 2613629 AnAnonymous
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China is or is not a one party country? Just wondering.

US citizens should take their pick.

Oh, wait, for US citizens, everything is situational.

So if the situation requires China to be perceived as a one partycountry, it is a one party country.

If the situation requires otherwise, then China is no longer a one party country.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:51 | 2613334 Dr. Engali
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Racists are far right

I stopped right there because there are plenty of people on both sides of the spectrum who are racist. And there are people on both sides who are afraid of change , as well as the downward pressure on wages immigration creates.

Categorizing racism as a right only trait is pure bullshit.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:53 | 2613350 Chuck Walla
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Lets talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations evidenced by the Left. Blacks are so perpetually inferior that they can NEVER succeed without suprarights over others. 

My, how enlightened to have that as the only expectation for an entire race.

 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:57 | 2613365 AnAnonymous
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When people start to vote themselves suprarights as US citizens have been from the start, at one point in time, it matters.

The US has been a history of affirmative action since the beginning.

The question should be: can US citizens succeed without a whole nexus of supraright entitlements?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:05 | 2613407 akak
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Artichokes.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:10 | 2613424 onebir
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Yangcong

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:19 | 2613464 akak
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Dangdang!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:49 | 2613573 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Parangong!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:10 | 2613705 akak
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Dunggong!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:12 | 2614315 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Mow See Dung!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:37 | 2614343 akak
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Dung Show Peeing!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:46 | 2614455 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Hu Shitnow!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:50 | 2614474 akak
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Hu Flung Pu!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:03 | 2613381 bob_dabolina
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Democrats were behind the KKK, slavery, and the Jim Crow laws.

Blacks can thank those right wing Republicans for their freedom.

Yes that's right, it was the democratic party that was overwhelmingly pro-slavery and racist.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:07 | 2613412 AnAnonymous
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US citizenism includes racism.Left, right, center, it does not matter. What matters is they are US citizens.

Democrats were indeed behind KKK.

The negroes can thank providence because in the US , neither the right or left, neither the rep or the dems supported the abolition. Emancipation was a hap, an uncontrolled and unwished event.

US citizens claimed they stand for freedom when actually, they have shown to stand for slavery.

Both sides were pro-slavery and racist.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:11 | 2613427 bob_dabolina
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You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:30 | 2613514 AnAnonymous
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Ah so?

Are you telling that you support the fallacy that the US civil war was about emancipation?

Emancipation in the US was a forced move, a compromize that Lincoln had to surrender.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:37 | 2613539 PiratePawpaw
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Al-Anon,

     If you had another brain.......It would be lonely.

 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:07 | 2613686 AnAnonymous
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The one I have allows to accept that the civil war was not about emancipation, that the north wanted to maintain slavery and the south wanted to expand slavery.

How that is lonely?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:26 | 2614123 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Ah so?

Easy for you to say.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:17 | 2613435 akak
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US Citizens = Democrats

Democrats = Negroes

KKK = Negroes

Thus sayeth the 'logic' of Chinese Citizenism citizen and US Citizenism founder AnusAnonymous.

 

Emancipation was a hap, an uncontrolled and unwished event.

Emancipation was indeed very crusty, the crustiest bit, the definite something.
Something for which the Tibetans await in vain.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:34 | 2613527 AnAnonymous
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Nope. Democrats are a sub group within the US citizen group. As the republicans are, the liberals, the left, the right.

Democrats equal negroes? What is that? Of course not.

KKK equals negroes? That would be something to repeat to a US citizen member of KKK.

Ah, but China brought emancipation to the Tibetans. Tibetans were slavers. Slavery was abolished by the Chinese.

A shocking movement for US citizens but well, sometimes, reality is harsh.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:40 | 2613547 akak
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Ah, but China brought emancipation to the Tibetans. Tibetans were slavers. Slavery was abolished by the Chinese.

Make me laugh!

I guess that it why the Tibetans fought against the "liberation" of their independent nation by the Chinese Communist invaders, eh?

And your lies only grow in trying to claim that slavery existed in Tibet prior to the Chinese conquest and subjugation of that hapless nation, which is utterly untrue.  But such lies and pro-Chinese Communist propaganda are part and parcel of the insanitation and trolling of AnusAnonymous, US Citizenism citizen extraordinaire.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:10 | 2613706 AnAnonymous
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You mean that slavers might not like it when one smashes down their slavery business? You might be on something here.

Slavery did not exist in Tibet? It has to be that way. Because hey, US of A stands for freedom since its inception, even though it started as a slaver nation.

If one can believe the latter, believing that slavery did not exist in Tibet is a doodle.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:57 | 2613608 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, apoplectically gibbering, said:

The negroes can thank providence because in the US , neither the right or left, neither the rep or the dems supported the abolition. Emancipation was a hap, an uncontrolled and unwished event.

The AnAnonymous ever-changing history lesson of today:

Emancipation in the US, and indeed around the world throughout history, was a gift of Chinese citizenism.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:12 | 2613717 AnAnonymous
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Emancipation in the US was an uncontrolled, unwished event. It happened like that. Fortune, misfortune...

That is the fact in the world mecca of US citizenism, the US of A.

Tells everything about US citizen concern for freedom.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:29 | 2614134 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, wrong again:

That is the fact in the world mecca of US citizenism, the US of A.

The world mecca of US citizenism is inside of your skull. It occasionally blobs up and escapes into the world via your keyboard.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:56 | 2614264 AnAnonymous
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The US of A did not start as a slaver nation.

The US of A is not the shining example of 'Americanism'

Yeah, right...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:32 | 2613522 Marginal Call
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Way to gloss over Nixon's southern strategy, that's right Bob.  That time in history when those good ole boys quit the democratic party and joined the republicans over the civil rights movement.  Your comment is misleading and best and more likely just plain dishonest. 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:51 | 2613336 Chuck Walla
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American workers, were you bon here? Its not your fault. So, I, King Braack the Great, have decreed that an additional 800,000 workers be allowed to legally enter the workforce to compete with you in this hot job market.

 

And you stupid motherfuckers who actually got in line and did the work?  What a bunch of chumps. Next time, learn some Spanish...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:52 | 2613339 Duke of Con Dao
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you talkin' illegals? WakeUpAmerica! here's the Mittster on this topic

YouTube - Mitt on Illegals: I've got 99 Problems and your Grandma ain't One!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:52 | 2613341 Decay is Constant
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So let me get this straight...

Illegals are pouring across the southern border of the US, and if I disagree with this I'm a racist or part of the far right?

Can any country survive if it cannot control it's borders?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:57 | 2613367 CCanuck
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No borders should be controled, how are the unicorns to move about and graze. Skittles don't grow on trees uknow.

Cc.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:58 | 2613369 AnAnonymous
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How can illegal immigration be wrong since the US of A was built by illegal immigration?

Why change the way now? On what ground?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:07 | 2613404 akak
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How can illegal (but ubiquitous) roadside defecation be wrong since the People's Republic of Blobbing-up was built by illegal (but ubiquitous) roadside defecation?

Why change the shitting way now?  On what unnightsoiled ground?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:08 | 2613419 AnAnonymous
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Somebody speaks to change that?

Good US citizen analogy by the way, comparing migrants to shit. Sums up US citizen scorn for one part of humanity.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:21 | 2613463 akak
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In China, there is only shit and non-shit, with the former predominating.

As for migrants, how many are allowed into rabbit-breeding, grossly overpopulated, ragingly racist China?  How many "foreign devils" do your totalitarian Communist overlords permit to immigrate into China compared to those allowed into the USA?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:36 | 2613535 AnAnonymous
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What is the benefit to migrate to China? To toil there and see your production exported and consumed in US citizen nations?

If you want to consume, and you want to consume, do not emigrate to a consumption source, emigrate to a consumption sink, like US citizen nations are.

US citizen nations are the places wherethe consumption is done.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:07 | 2613563 akak
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Wee!

Another exciting ride on the Mobius Strip tilt-a-whirl of Chinese Citizenism hypocrisy, blobbing-up, monolizing of the speeching means, offuscation, obscurationalizingism, and insanitation!

Fun for all ages of Indo-European-US Citizens!

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:10 | 2613699 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous revealed his hostile prejudices:

If you want to consume, and you want to consume, do not emigrate to a consumption source, emigrate to a consumption sink, like US citizen nations are.

Yes, because sink requiring of the indoor plumbing, making it tooling of foreign devils. This the reason Chinese citizenism citizens remain of ideological the pureness by disavowal of flushed toiletion.

US citizen nations are the places wherethe consumption is done.

Chinese citizenism citizen nations are the places where the excretion is done, on the roadsides, in the public parks...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:13 | 2613721 AnAnonymous
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And a source is what?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:26 | 2613782 akak
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A source is definitely something, the very crustiest bit of it.  A very heavy that.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:03 | 2613658 TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak correctly noted:

How can illegal (but ubiquitous) roadside defecation be wrong since the People's Republic of Blobbing-up was built by illegal (but ubiquitous) roadside defecation?

Why change the shitting way now?  On what unnightsoiled ground?

Indeedings very the muchness. Why changing the shitting way, as Shanghai Green Administration Bureau attempting the doing of to public park shitting? Number two rule about number two:

http://www.shanghaidiaries.com/archives/IMG_9634.jpg

If squatting and dropping digested house pets OK being for to roadside, public parks how the differentiation?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:59 | 2613373 Hedgetard55
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Apparently, yes. And if you don't vote for Barry Choomwagon, you are also a raycis.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:00 | 2613380 Bear
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Were BO reigns BS abounds

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:59 | 2613375 Bear
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No, I think you are part of the Very Right

Sat, 07/14/2012 - 00:56 | 2615245 Kalevi
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Since they seem to pour more southward these day, does that make me marxist liberal progressive anti gun anti freedom homo commie cunt licking lesbian?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:57 | 2613366 Hedgetard55
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Get out your prayer rug and pray to Mecca five times a day. THAT is your UK future.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:58 | 2613368 SoNH80
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Southern England, from what I could tell, does not lack for people.  That doesn't stop Ingsoc from trying to cram a few million more in!

If I were British, I'd move to the most isolated spot in either Scotland, N. Ireland or Wales and avoid ever setting foot inside the M25.  Better for the sanity.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:21 | 2613469 optimator
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In England they're all coming in from the Commonwealth.  Remember, nothing in common, certainly not wealth.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 19:28 | 2614815 FeralSerf
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The commoners, i.e. the serfs, are the part of wealth of the feudal lords.  It's been this way for thousands of years, notwithstanding any propaganda you may have heard to the contrary.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:02 | 2613389 verum quod lies
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None should feel the need to appease the cultural Marxist overlords before stating the obvious. Why is it "racist" to want your own country not to be invaded? Do not answer it cultural Marxist twits, it's a rhetorical question. Ask the Israeli Minister of Internal Affairs who recently said: “Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man.”

 

In short a country for me and my banker and media tribe members, but not for thee. Standard ad hominem attack in three, two, one …

 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:09 | 2613422 AnAnonymous
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And which US citizen nation is invaded?

At present times, US citizens are much more in the business of invading other nations than being invaded.

But hey, fantasy land is thriving so why not?

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:27 | 2613506 akak
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But hey, fantasy land is thriving so why not?

Indeed.  I regularly visit that land by reading each one of your comments here.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:14 | 2613728 AnAnonymous
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Just thinking could relieve you from reading anything.

Just think and as a fine specimen of US citizenism, it is fantasy land.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:25 | 2613787 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yes, sure, always steering people into the AnAnonymous US citizenism fantasy land.

That the fantasy land is the theme park of which you are proprietor is somehow very something.

Very crusty, very Chinese citizenish.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:32 | 2613810 AnAnonymous
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And the Abraham lincoln brigade is a figment of my imagination.

US citizenism at work, when reality is called fantasy...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:35 | 2613531 verum quod lies
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I have a suggestion, if you are going to act like a troll, at least try to tangentially stay on topic. This is about immigration I didn't vote for, not wars I didn't vote for; but both, by the way, AIPAC supports.

 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:39 | 2613543 AnAnonymous
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Oh yes? But what about the semantics? You know, invading?

And you think that the Indians voted for US citizens to illegally migrate to their country? Watch your own behaviour before watching over others'behaviour.

Oh, wait, you are a US citizen, it is going to be hard for you.

So, yeah, keep behaving as you know it, that is by your eternal US citizen nature.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:21 | 2613763 verum quod lies
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OK, let’s digress. Who pays for your trolling, AIPAC, La Raza …? I didn’t invade my own country, did you? Also, by the way, I seriously doubt that US soldiers in the Mideast will be bringing their families there to colonize the area and draw benefits away from the native population, they are much more likely to be temporary helpers for Greater Israel; because they sure as hell aren’t there protecting US interests or establishing colonies. Regarding American Indian tribes, go talk to someone like David Yeagley for his opinion on the matter (I tend to agree with him, but that is not really pertinent to the issue at hand).

 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:35 | 2613828 AnAnonymous
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You did not invade your own country? Just like the children of any invader.

The rest is to be added to the long list: city of london, vatican, illuminati etc

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:46 | 2613876 verum quod lies
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Again, I didn’t invade my own country. One more time, who pays for your trolling, or are you just another useful idiot of the cultural Marxist elite?

 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:00 | 2613949 AnAnonymous
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Neither has any descendent of an invader. So why the beef?

Just wait for one generation and you'll see, any migrant will be in a similar situation as yours, being able to claim that he/she did not invade their own country.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:22 | 2613768 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous straining credulity:

And you think that the Indians voted for US citizens to illegally migrate to their country?

Now you will do are claiming all persons born in US of A invaders must be. Good job playing your deck of racing cards.

Watch your own behaviour before watching over others'behaviour.

Clean up after spreading butthole cheeks over roadside before watching over others' behavance.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:39 | 2613840 AnAnonymous
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Now you will do are claiming all persons born in US of A invaders must be. Good job playing your deck of racing cards.

----------------------------

Are you trying to sell the idea that US citizens stop their play after one generation?

Negroes have been there since the beginning of the US and the play was stopped after their first generation?

US citizens keep rolling from one generation to another.

On what ground should one treat US citizens differently when it comes to invasion?

Why apply US citizen standards to US citizens can not be done?

More kicking the can to come as US citizens are unable to cope with reality when it is shown to their face.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:51 | 2613902 verum quod lies
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No, you cultural Marxist tool, you are setting it up so that no one can claim any right to exist without your permission. That is nonsense you have been brainwashed into believing, yet your masters do not believe it; and that makes you a 'useful idiot' in the truest Stalinist sense of the term.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:01 | 2613960 AnAnonymous
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Noone can exist without my permission? US citizen projection.

US citizens have put a monopoly on humanity, not me.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:16 | 2613733 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

This is about immigration I didn't vote for, not wars I didn't vote for; but both, by the way, AIPAC supports.

Be not applicationing US citizenismized logication over saviour of humanitence AnAnonymous. If you are not Chinese citizenism citizen, then you are foreign devil, which makes you US citizen, which makes you guilty of all things of which guiltationism capable inherently.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:44 | 2613870 AnAnonymous
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Ah, chinese citizenism is indeed a very convenient way to kick the can.

Lets show once more that US citizenism can not be self sufficient, has to refer to (here a fantasical) exterior, and can not be debated from within.

So parts of US citizen creed:

-undivided nation, voting for, or against, the decisions taken by the elective representatives are the decisions of the US People. It is how it works in US citizen nation.

So voting for a policy or not can not be taken as an excuse in US citizenism.

A US citizen thinks the government is misrepresenting one's view, that tyranny has crept on her government?

That is good because US citizen creed: take your guns and go fight tyranny in US citizen government.

Are guns scarce in the US?

Etc

US citizens can not discuss US citizenism from within. They are cornered.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:51 | 2613903 akak
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Chinese Citizenism mental gymnastics reaching breaking point in overheating cranium of AnusAnonymous, pretzel logic of illogic twisting into infinitely small loops of Mobius Strip insanitation, blobbing-up into nonsensical singularities which then collapse into irrational black holes of roadside intellectual shit.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:03 | 2613967 AnAnonymous
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And no, this US citizen is not my accomplice.

He could simply not restrain himself from illustrating my point, by expressing his eternal US citizen nature.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:36 | 2614168 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous cranial cavity heating up the muchly, with smoking of ears outcoming.

Chinese citizenism citizen will need a refill at Peoples Liberation Opium Parlour.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 15:58 | 2614272 AnAnonymous
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US citizens associating addictive drugs and freedom...

This is how US citizenism works.

Addictive drugs, a booming business thanks to US citizenism...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:03 | 2614293 akak
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Chinese Citizenism citizens associating addictive dogs and culinary freedom...

This is how Chinese citizenism works.

The consumption of addictive dogs, a booming business thanks to Chinese citizenism...

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 16:21 | 2614354 TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak said:

The consumption of addictive dogs, a booming business thanks to Chinese citizenism...

...that is how Chinese citizenism woks.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:02 | 2613390 vato poco
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"Racists and the far right have dominated the debate and appropriated the language..."

 

And yet, somehow, as if by magic, we see more & more panaderias, llanteras, and mojados lurking in home depot parking lots ("Servicio Particular, Senor!!") every year. So while you spin your bullshit fantasy of eeebil rightwingers spoiling the fun deabte for everybody else, the wetbacks continue to pour in, aided mightily by the FedGov. And the wishes of The People or The States be damned; never mind The Law. Go live awhile in El Paso, or San Diego, or Brownsville or Calexico for a couple of months and then tell us how super keen it was. In the meantime, Fuck You, peabrain.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 13:06 | 2613410 azzhatter
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The jagoffs who spew this immigration bullshit would never live in the places you mention. Fuck every last one of them

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