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Guest Post: Immigration: Cui Bono ?
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Immigration: Cui Bono?
Immigration is always a tricky subject to address honestly. Racists and the far right have dominated the debate and appropriated the language necessary to make even a well reasoned argument. Nevertheless, I think it is about time that some aspects of immigration, in the context of it’s supposed benefits (cui bono ?) are more widely understood and if by doing so I upset anyone, then I hope it will suffice to say that it is not my intention to do so. If you are from the USA you may like to know that the UK, with a population of 63 million, is one fifth of that of the USA, but the USA has a land mass 38 times bigger. In the USA there are 32.3 people per square kilometre, in the UK it is 250.2 per sq km.
It is a little known fact that if the immigration numbers were excluded from the UK population figures then the population would be fairly stable with only reasonable growth.
The Graph, above, shows the Total Fertility figures. These are the amount of children, on average, each woman has. Since the early 1970s the average has been less than two, you’ll notice an upturn since 2002, that’s a cultural change due to immigration [more on that below]. I want to consider why it is that the UK birth rate has remained at that low rate for 40 years.
There are a couple of reasons and they should be well known, in a country where there is an extremely low child mortality rate and which is relatively wealthy women tend towards smaller families. The poorer the country, the higher the child mortality rate, then, as a rule, the higher the fertility rate.
But a fertility rate below two does not mean that the population should be shrinking, because improved health care has increased life expectancy.
This all looks encouraging. The UK, like many developed nations appears to be naturally compensating for increased life expectancy and improved health care with lower birth rates. This seems to indicate that we have reached a subtly new stage of human evolution of a mature civilisation.
But there is one big problem with all this, for some people at least. If you have a developed economy the economic growth based on efficiency is harder to find. It is far easier to get economic growth, especially if your economy is dependent of the domestic service sector, as the UK is, if you artificially increase the population of the country.
11.3% of the UK’s population was not born in the UK. Only 3.6% are from EU countries, 7.7% are from outside of the EU. So, if the UK’s population is 63 million, 7.119 million are not born in the UK, 2.268 million are from the EU, and 4.851 million are from outside of the EU. Without immigration the UK population would be less than 56 million, far less if you were to take away the children born to immigrants in the UK only in the last 10 years. [remember that upturn, top graph, in the Total Fertility statistics from 2002 onwards ?] (source)
How many times have you heard that immigration is good for the UK economy ?
But all the benefits of this increased population go to the top 5% and all the costs are laid at the door of the other 95%.
For the top 5% the UK is nothing more than a market. Increase the size of the market and they increase the size of their profits, it really is as simple as that.
Don’t blame the immigrants for taking advantage of the situation in a perfectly legal way.
Blame the people who sold our country for their own profit!
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"Immigration is always a tricky subject to address honestly. Racists and the far right have dominated the debate and appropriated the language necessary to make even a well reasoned argument."
The he ignores the "well reasoned argument" so evidently he is saying that the subject is too tricky for him.
Come to Manassas Park, Va. and Prince William County right outside DC for a look at what happens when municipalities enact sanctuary policies and don't enforce their own legislation. PWC passed an illegal immigrant crackdown in 2007 and their OWN police chief refused to have his men enforce it and he was never fired for going against the supervisors. I would say these two municipalities are at least 60-70% Hispanic now with the vast majority of them having a 'questionable' immigration status. The west side of Manassas Park has houses FILLED 12+ per with 1991 Honda Civics littering the road along with all the Corona bottles and trash that blows around the street. If you say anything about it then you are racist. Fuck all of these liberal pieces of shit that support this kind of behavior (not like they have to live here anyway) and their GOP turncoat business supporters that look the other way. This area is a small microcosm for how unchecked immigration can destroy your neighborhood and town in less than 5 years.
if the labor supply grows faster then the demand, wages fall, which is a great advantage for the 1%
There was a quite a long period in this country's history where the opposite was true. Of course, back then we didn't have a central bank.
Shitstain illegals come to your country and fuck it up? What a surprise? These shitstain fuckers leave a country they are not willing to fight for change in and come to yours and suck on a tit. This is considered progress. So UK slowly degrades the standard of living to accomodate muslim fucks. The US slowly(rather rapidly actually) declines to third world status to accomodate shitstain immigrants and this is called progress by fuckers constructing a world they never have to live in. Somebody should take these treasonous fuckers they call progressives off their perches and beat the shit out of them until they die. Entire countries being Balkanized by immigrants who have no loyalty, no desire to assimilate. They want to create their own culture in somebody elses land. Fuck all of them.
US citizens have sucked up enough resources by themselves to allow themselves into a decline of standard of living without the help of migrants...
Chinese citizenism citizens have shat up enough roadsides by themselves to allow themselves into a decline of standard of living without the help of Mongolians...
And don't forget about the Tibetans!
(While some still live.)
I have an idea for you: Instead of calling things or people "U.S. Citisenizm(s)", why don't you just say Americans? It's actually what you really mean to say anyway. It also makes you look a lot less like a communist-culturalized propogandist.
FREE TIBET!
FREE TAIWAN!
FREE THE UYGHURS!
Don't know whether to be more amused by the idiocy of AZH's post (btw, HE's the titsucker), or the fact that it's currently rated +9/-1.
As Zerohedge slowly morphs into a Drudge wannabe...
They want to create their own culture in somebody elses land. Fuck all of them.
Are you talking about the British in North America or the Spanish in South America?
Always seemed to me like unskilled labor dependant industries (especially the well politically organized ones like agriculture and food processing, even hospitality) would absolutelty love illegal immigration. The more illegal the status, the less you have to pay the poor saps. Wonder how many lobbying dollars are spent in DC along this angle...
The problem is our freeloading society. How often do you hear-"they do jobs americans won't do" As if an unemployed fucker should have a choice. You take the job that's available or you starve. But as long as Uncle Titty gives you a free suck you can choose to work. Meanwhile the illegals drive down the value of labor and standard of living for everyone else.
If you've ever had a family member assaulted by these illegal cocksuckers you'd feel different. I have and given the chance I'd publicly execute the fuckers myself
Wait until we're the minority and see what happens to "Equal Opportunity". By then the only option we'll have is to re-locate to an empty Mexico and start all over again.
A good friend had a black roommate about a decade ago. Harvard student, Black Studies major. He was very keen on "white this, white that, white white white." I once had a few beers there and came up with the suggestion-- "How about all of the whites go back to Europe and leave North America to the blacks, the Spanish, and the Indians?" You should have seen the look on his face! He didn't like that idea at all! No more Whitey was not his speed! Who to blame then? The Sioux and the Eskimos sure as hell wouldn't give a damn about his B.S.!
Horror!
Do you not realize that using the word "black" is officially now RACIST?!
The official phrase to refer to the people of whom you are speaking here is "The Carcinomally Challenged".
Yikes! Since when?! Well, we don't have many Afro-Americans up here. I haven't been in a testy exchange with an angry woman in a dashiki for quite some time.... I mean, I haven't participated in a conciousness-raising session in quite some time....
(unintentionally omitted /sarc added)
"People of color" is PC, "colored people" is raycis. Go figure.
"How about all of the whites go back to Europe and leave North America to the blacks, the Spanish, and the Indians?" You should have seen the look on his face! He didn't like that idea at all!
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Woooo, must be close to the look of my face right now.
Indo Europeans packing up from North America?
Woooo, biggest scam ever. How could you believe that shit?
He must have thought you were a racist for thinking him to be that dumb for him to ever give credit to your fantasy bit.
Can you imagine that, you probably manage to make a negro think he is intelligent because he could see through that easily through your US citizen cheap propaganda.
Quite an achievement.
The essence of your comment is particularly something.
No, I called him on his B.S. He was making an academic career of blaming others! The blame game! What do you care anyway? You're out there surrounded by 1.2 billion people of your own racial group, who've always lived there. You've never had to fill out a job application, or school application, form where checking off "Han Chinese" would hurt you in your chances! You should be more concerned with the issues and problems of your own country, instead of trying to blow smoke and troll about the U.S. Let me tell you, you'd sing a different tune after 1 week on the streets of NYC-- about everything. Get a visa, buy a plane ticket, pack your bags, and see U.S. citizenism citizens for yourself! I've been to YOUR country and have the balls to admit that YOUR country is doing some GOOD things like building factories, ports, highways, and skyscrapers, and improving the standard of living. And yes, with some U.S. citizenism money invested, too! Oh, and I've actually hired and promoted African-Americans or Afro-Americans or whatever, how about you? I've heard what some of your countrymen call such people, "Soy Sauce Devils", and that isn't very nice! Get a life!
No, I called him on his B.S. He was making an academic career of blaming others! The blame game!
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Woooo, he was your typical US citizen.
Djeee, US citizens started their history with the blame game. They designed the style of it.
The declaration of Independence is blame game. The King did that, the King did this... All blame game.
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Chinese have a long road to make when it comes to negro treatment. Wait for them to adopt US citizenism, then you'll be able to speak game.
For the moment, calling people soy bean sauce or something, that is kindergarten job. US citizens have LY ahead.
AnAnonymous, playing the racing card:
Ah, the truth comes out. According to AnAnonymous, when done by Chinese citizenism citizens, it is just a child's game. The same act done by US citizens is racism.
Very telling, very exterior blaming, very lacking of self indiction. Very typical Chinese citizenism double standard.
The same act? The same act?
Ah, wait, US citizens are those people who see no wrong in killing one million people but in killing one.
So yes, it has to be the same act.
Soy bean sauce people can be as racist as buffalo people is, which is not.
But US citizens have a long list of racial epithets that are with no doubt offensive and insulting.
But hey, it has to be the same act.
For some other people, people with a sense of magnitude, chinese play is kinder garten play. It is no league with US citizen play.
US citizen play is the play to go if you want to be a racist.
In other words, just as applied to your rapacious (and growing) Chinese resource blobbing-uppityness, it is "Do as we say, not as we do."
Gotcha.
The bounds of Chinese Citizenism hypocrisy and insanitation are limitless.
But how? US citizens developed their racist semantics to negroes way before Chinese did (if soy bean sauce naming is racist, which might or might not be, just like buffalo people was not a racist calling)
In cases, it would US citizens calling for Chinese not to behave as they do when facing negroes. It cant be the reverse.
US citizens have exported their racism.
"Can you imagine that, you probably manage to make a negro think he is intelligent because he could see through that easily through your US citizen cheap propaganda.
Quite an achievement"
Well, good to see there is no Racism in China Citizenism Citizen.
ism.
C'on, the standards are US citizen given standards.
US citizens are the ones referring to negroes as the dumbest thing possible.
There is nothing chinese in the statement, only US citizen references being used.
Yes, there is definitely nothing racist in calling Tibetans "foreign devils", as long as you invade and appropriate their land and kill them first, right?
Blobbing-up hypocrisy, thy name is Chinese Citizenism!
Tibetans are called foreign devils?
Ah...
Hey, it is your Chinese racism, not mine.
Oh, and tell us how you refer to blacks as "Soy Sauce Devils", too.
Indeed. And Chinese have to buff their game when it comes to racial insults.
How many in the single US of A? That might one of the only sectors where US citizens can claim diversity, in the racial insults department.
What a giant leap for humanity.
PiratePawpaw said:
AnAnonymous is the parangong of change to remedy that situation. He loves playing with his deck of racing cards.
Very astuting, your observationalizings of Chinese Citizenism much firmly enlightenational, much like shining searchlight on squalid Chinese roadside bowel movementalism.
AnAnonymous blessed us with more of his wisdom:
The look of having a pantload in need of roadside dropping.
Crazy huh? It would be like Indians and Esquimeaux packing up from North America and going to Siberia, Mongolia, and China.
Much the firmly dangdang.
Wooo, so there is no difference between the two?
Indians advanced and settled on territories that were not occupied by human beings.
US citizens not so much.
But hey, it would be the same cause in US citizenism only human beings have rights and good, indians were not human beings. And entering a place filled with non human beings, or entering filled by noone, it is very similar, courtesy of US citizenism.
Tibetans advanced and settled on territories that were not occupied by human beings.
Chinese citizens not so much.
But, but, but... why should the Chinese pack up if Indo Europeans do not pack up from the US and co?
AnAnonymous admits to symetry:
How nice of you to slip up and admit that the Chinese citizenism citizens are not any better than US citizenism citizens.
I hope that doesn't get you fired.
But arent supposed Chinese worse actually?
Or how can people taking example on US citizens be bad?
Ah, yes, I know how. Because actually, when the Chinese took over in Tibet, they abolished slavery and torture and diminished greatly the children abduction scheme to fill tibetan temples, those are mistakes that US citizens would never commit.
Chinese are not that good at copying. They need to push up their efforts on adopting US citizen ways.
Typical Chinese citizenism double standard.
Action carried out by Chinese citizenism citizens = good
Action carried out by US citizenism citizens = bad
Your hypocricy is blobbing up to immensity.
How?
US citizens had their chance to stop slavery in Tibet. They did not.
In the US of A, the mecca of 'Americanism', emancipation happened as an accident of history.
What action? The emancipation in the US was resented as a failure by US citizens as they did not want to end slavery.
Once again, the need for symetry but when it comes to slavery, symetry is once again not there.
And by US citizen standards, ending slavery is bad.
See Lincoln, see China in Tibet.
What the fuck kind of perverted propaganda do they beat into your hive-minds in Chinese Communist-run schools, anyway?
There was NO fucking slavery in Tibet, in the 20th century or for many centuries prior! Where the Hell do you come off with this outrageous Han imperialism-justifying bullshit anyway? Do you realize how utterly fucking RIDICULOUS you sound with this kind of crap?
http://missing-link.hubpages.com/hub/The-Invasion-Occupation-and-Assimil...
http://freetibet.blog.co.uk/2009/10/05/tibetans-chinese-uighurs-in-uk-ca...
Go ahead, click on those links --- I dare you to defy your dictatorial and totalitarian overlords by doing so.
AnAnonymous babbling incoherently:
Ah, ah, some of those Indians kept slaves. They must have been US citizens. They migrated from Siberia, Mongolia, and China. Therefore eastern Asia must be the birthplace of US citizenism.
Now do your job and deny.
Many people had slaves. Does not make them US citizens.
US citizens are those people who declared freedom an unalienable human right and kept slaves.
Following that route, Indo Europeans are Asians, so the birth place has to be Asia.
Maybe time for Asians to move back to their place and settle their differences in Asia.
AnAnonymous suffering total meltdown:
Those people who declared freedom an unalienable human right and kept slaves have been dead for many years.
By your own words, US citizens do not exist, as they are a thing of the past.
It is new now.
First, those people refers as We The People accross the US citizen nations.
We the People is not dead, it is well living.
We The People in US citizen nations declared freedom an unalienable right and kept slaves.
They are not dead. They are the same as their US citizen ancestors.
AnAnonymous, scurrying like a rodent:
Nobody alive on the face of the earth was a US slaveholder. The people you refer to are long dead.
Now you're in a panic, because the entire structure of your 'US citizenism' myth is crumbling around you.
Your blatant bigotry is now in the open for all to see. Your intolerance condemns an entire continent. You condemn people who never held slaves because their ancestors did. You also condemn people whose ancestors never held slaves just because they were born in a country which once had slavery. You condemn people whose ancestors were slaves just because they were born in a country which once had slavery. You condemn people whose ancestors were the original settlers of North America dozens of centuries ago just because they were born in a country which once had slavery.
You, my friend, are the intolerant, prejudiced bigot. You are guilty, far and above many Americans, of the very things you criticize. You are very ill. The sickness is in your head. Look in the mirror and gaze upon the 'US citizen' that is the target of your blind hatred.
fuck the limey's!
Yaas. All u pretty girls. Come fuck the limeys! Woohooo !;o)
Immigration is a way to increase productivity by lowering wages.
Obama's current policy regarding immigrants - those that came here as children and Romney's "self deportation" and all the remaining bloviating Congressional quacks and hacks really shows how dysfunctional DC is: they are talking about immigration from 30 years ago.
The new rising immigrants in the US are coming from Asian countries: China, India, Vietnam and Korea. These immigrants have entirely different immigration related issues than the Mexican immigrants from two-three decades ago. Actually, Mexican immigration is almost nil if not a reverse flow at this point.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2290/asian-americans-rise-education-college-...
When Obama on June 15 announced that 800,000 illegal immigrants would be granted work permits under a quasi-amnesty program - “backdoor amnesty” - it was Mexican President Felipe Calderon who heaped praise on Obama: “Thank you for the valor and courage that you had in implementing this action.”
Courage for what? Mexican President Caldernon was thanking Obama for breaking U.S. law - by allowing nearly a million non-citizens into the American workforce to compete for scarce jobs while millions of legal Americans go unemployed and for swelling the numbers of his amnestied people dependent on free food stamps, free healthcare, free schooling and free subsidies in the U.S.. At the same time, U.S. corporations now can dump older workers in favor of those willing to accept lower wages while being boosted upwards on taxpayer-financed welfare subsidies.
As TheMerryPrankster said earlier on ZH, “Protecting your national borders is not racism. A nation without borders is not a nation. Mexico for instance makes it a felony to be an illegal immigrant in Mexico. Are they racists.”
How is that different from The Mittster?
MITT ROMNEY: "But my view is that those 12 million who have come here illegally should be given the opportunity to sign up to stay here..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6_ktWZZmSo
It is a little known fact that if the immigration numbers were excluded from the UK population figures then the population would be fairly stable with only reasonable growth.
With a <2% fertility rate? I don’t think so.
But a fertility rate below two does not mean that the population should be shrinking, because improved health care has increased life expectancy.
Would you like to put money on that?
"Racists and the far right have dominated the debate".
Stopped reading here. Godwin's Law.
The far right is the bogeyman brought out any time someone makes a case against immigration. It's gotten so bad that the "far" right now makes reasonable arguments; it is current immigration policy that is very extremist.
There is only "cost" associated, allegedly to the 95%, if you've developed a welfare state. Offer freedom or free stuff and you you'll attract individuals who want freedom or free stuff. Go figure.
"But all the benefits of this increased population go to the top 5% and all the costs are laid at the door of the other 95%."
....sounds just like Kalifornia....Living in the region of CA where strawberries are a main product, we bear the cost of the cheap labor used to produce this product.The schools are fucked up, us tax payers cover these folks health insurance (all one needs do is dial 911), and the growers get all the benefits.
The labor unions have totally screwed their members by not throwing thier politcial weight around to reduce immigration. The union leaders have lined their own pockets at the expense of the members by encouraging lax immigration rules so as to increase the number of union members, but not the income of the existing members. Of course the corporations are all for this same program....cheaper labor and a bigger market to seel into.
"Cui gives a shit? It's got a fucking bow on it."
-Colin Sullivan
US needs to bring in the brightest people it can find in math, science, computers, medical, etc. from a mix of countries -- a brain drain to the US. Otherwiise we will have to compete with these folks. We are already immigration heavy with Mexicans and lower wage scale workers -- so we need to pursue others.
I understand importing high skill people will add to the job market competion for my US children. But so be it. It is best for the US.
Then, clearly, we need to get rid of you.
When considering opening the borders to let the masses rush in, the banker tyrants make their selections in two categories: 1) low information Third World peoples who can tip the voting franchise away from the informed middle class, and 2) skilled technical immigrants who help the bankers’ corporate pals keep payroll costs at a minimum. La Raza, ACORN, et cetera, can help with the low information unpatriotic immigrant; Microsoft, Infosys Technologies, et cetera, can help with the skilled H-1Bs who will work for less. The ideal immigrant in both categories should be as unpatriotic and as uninformed or misinformed about American traditions as possible.
According to Saddleback College, “The graduating college class of 2010, like the previous two graduating classes are facing a bleak job market. According to a 2009 survey from the National Association of Colleges and Employers only 19.7 percent of the 2009 graduates who applied for a job had one by the time they graduated."
Said Saddleback: “And based on the economy and conditions today, the Class of 2011 will also have to work harder and smarter to not only get the job they want, but a job period!”
Some U.S. grads, according to a Reuters 2009 overview, were working for free, others were looking abroad for work.
http://www.saddleback.edu/jobs/CareerWebinarSeries2010.html
+ 1
All the marxist are out today.
It's getting crowded over at HuffPost.
I remember hearing someone say they would be crawling out of the woodwork and not hiding anymore. I guess he was correct.
First, and this is a no-brainer, end all welfare, healthcare, foodstamps and newborn citizenship for illegals. next, instead of deportation, those found to be illegals should serve a minimum first time offense of 5 years at hard labor cleaning roads, sewers, parks and other for profit projects to pay for their incarceration. No work is fine, but meals will be limited to bread and water, and all such offenders will reside outdoors in small cages with no shelter (Yuma, AZ would be good). these reasonable steps will dramatically reduce the number of illegals in our country and reduce the massive expense of supporting them. remember, the word is ILLEGAL.
Welfare reform was just undone.
Racists and the far right have dominated the debate and appropriated the language necessary to make even a well reasoned argument.
Self-irony so thick he can't even see through it. Bravo. Well played.
Moron.
Net US<-> Mexican immigration is now towards Mexico.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to...
But don't let the facts get in the way of your retarded TeaParty rants.
Who has more deportations than any other POTUS? Oh, right, Obama. The GOPs poster boy Reagan passed amnesty for MILLIONS of illegals. And if you think illegals vote...well you're just too stupid to help. Look up voter fraud...53 cases in 10 years and those were people paying someone to vote, not some fake ID bullisht.
Are you saying that the "MILLIONS" of illegal aliens Reagan made citizens don't vote or the millions Obama wants to put on the "path to citizenship" won't?
Fuck you. What the hell does this accomplish? No one on the right has made arguments against legal immigration in this country. Massive waves of illegal immigration from certain countries is a horrible thing. There is no denying that it depresses wages and hurts the poor to middle class. It also substantially changes cultures where we should work for more of a patch quilt model of immigration.
Want to get the birth rate up? Help the middle class to live comfortably. Stop the excessive inflation killing their lifestyle. Bring back manufacturing jobs and don't depend on jobs with a huge college debt requirement.
As it stands now, we are on the Idiocracy method of birth rates where the lower class spreads like wild fire when the middle and up are depressed out of the gene pool.
-sorry for the all bold. Could not take that function off.
George Romney was an illegal imigrant. His son, Willard Mitt Romney is an anchor baby.
http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/01/28/mitt-romneys-father-was-a-mexica...
Here's one for you birther whackjobs:
It is absolutely clear that Mitt Romney is NOT a Natural Born Citizen unless he can prove that George Romney gained citizenship from naturalization prior to Mitt’s birth in 1947.
Mitt Romney’s father George was born in Chihuahua, Mexico in 1907, the son of Gaskell Romney and Anna Amelia Pratt. Three generations of Romneys lived in Mexico because Miles Park Romney, a polygamist, moved the family there in 1884 as it became increasingly clear that the U.S. government would not tolerate polygamy in the Utah Territory.
The 1882 Edmunds Act stripped polygamists of the basic rights of U.S. citizenship, denying them the right to vote, serve on juries or hold office. Not dissimilar to current immigration raids, U.S. federal agents hunted and arrested polygamists. Polygamists were forced to leave the country or risk jail.
Miles Romney chose to leave the country, bringing his multiple wives and children with him across the southern border. In his 1902 book The Story of the Mormons, author William Alexander Linn states that the “Secretario de Fomento of Mexico” related that “The laws of this country [Mexico] do not permit polygamy,” and that the contracts for the establishment of Mormon colonies in Mexico required the same. If true, Miles Romney then knowingly arrived in direct violation of Mexican immigration law.
Utah became a state in 1896, only after laws were passed there prohibiting polygamy. While polygamy may have been illegal in both countries, the Romneys still found Mexico more to their liking. All four of George’s (Mitt’s father) grandparents would live out their days in Mexico, with Anna’s mother Dorsey being the last to die — in Chihuahua in 1929.
Gaskell and Anna (who were monogamous) were married in 1895, and according to George’s biographer Tom Mahoney, lived in Chihuahua until the height of the Mexican Revolution in 1912. Relative Junius Romney negotiated with rebel leaders to get women and children out of the colony for their safety. Anna, with Mitt’s father George in tow, fled across the U.S. border by train (with no apparent delay or search at the border). A short time later Gaskell, like many Mexican immigrants before and since, covered hundreds of miles under a hot sun, crossing by land into New Mexico.
As a Mexican born immigrant, George (Mitt’s father) would do quite honorably, becoming Governor of Michigan and running for the Republican nomination for President in 1968. (Remember George Was Born In Mexico) His support for civil rights and opposition to the Vietnam War resulted in his loss to Richard Nixon. His son Mitt is of course where this post begins.
The Mitt Romney Presidential Crux.
Call upon Mitt Romney now to either post Gaskell Romney’s US naturaliztion documents (or repatriated record) or George Romney‘s US naturaliztion documents that he would have filled out and signed when he was 21 years of age, or withdraw from the presidential race as Constitutionally unqualified to take the oath of office of the presidency of the United States.
With gay marriage now being accepted by law, any act to strip basic rights from individual consenting adults for how they chose to define marriage would be struck down, and those rights returned. Therefore, Romneys ancestors would be considered US citizens living abroad, even if living in Mexico.
A person born to US citizens abroad is a US citizen.
Explain "gay marriage" to me.
How does that work?
"With gay marriage now being accepted by law, any act to strip basic rights from individual consenting adults for how they chose to define marriage would be struck down, and those rights returned. Therefore, Romneys ancestors would be considered US citizens living abroad, even if living in Mexico."
Sure - and if your mother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.
Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional.
Nobody questions whether The Mittster is a US citizen. The problem is he doesn't appear (like Barry Soetoro) to be a natural born citizen which he must be to be constitutionally qualified to be President.
"But a fertility rate below two does not mean that the population should be shrinking, because improved health care has increased life expectancy."
I don't believe that's correct. An increased life expectancy would only have a temporary effect in population increase (or a slowing of any decrease). People may live longer, but they will still presumably die at some point.
If life expectancy goes up, there will be more older people, but eventually the number of people dying in any given year will go back to an equilibrium.
If life expectancy remained constant, and the fertility rate was one, and there was no infant or child mortality at all, each generation would be half the size of the previous one. If life expectancy suddenly jumped due to improved health care, or whatever, the death rate would obviously drop for awhile, and if it was dramatic enough, it could be possible that more children were being born than the number of people dying in a given year.
But the number of children of that generation would still be half size of their parents' generation. There would just be more people in older generations living at the same time.
But over time, as the average age of the population grew, the number of people dying in a given year would again go up. People might not be dying as frequently at age 65, but they would still eventually die at 85 or 90 or whatever.
The boost from the increased life expectancy would be short-lived, so to speak. Each generation would still be half the size of its predecessor generation, and eventually the population would decrease significantly. If it kept up forever, a closed population with such a low birth rate would go extinct, despite any improvements in health care that could extend their life spans to double the earlier amount.
Why do they post this crap???????
Because Drudge and the National Enquirer had already turned it down.
thnx for at least posting this guest post. imho immigration and its cousin in this context, "unskilled worker " issues need to be folded into the mix here more. Niether side preferred. I'll say my shit whatever you post. But these are economically absolutely vital issues. At the very least, it is a method of capitalizing a poorer country by utilizing its labor covertly and under market. See, I can do evil bastard too.
Pure bullshit. The problem with honesty is that liberals religiously conflate legal and illegal immigration. Any argument against illegal immigration is always transmuted as being against all immigration, and being hateful of immigrants, after which some idiot inevitably presents what he thinks to be an original concept that has escaped us all, "We're all immigrants."
Illegal immigration benefits some. Those who benefit financially see to it that the debate over illegal immigration is muddled into hate mongering so it becomes a subject not to be broached.
In the future, you will have to work - even if you're a WASP. No more pushing mortgage application papers around, for 200K/yr.
The original post, and most of the comments here, reflect rampant paranoia rather than reality. Here's what ACTUALLY happens when Mexican latinos move into America (they enthusiastically take the jobs no one else wants - just like every other immigrant group has done - and make the whole place stronger):
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/as-small-towns-wither-on-plains-his...
"There has long been a strong Hispanic presence throughout the region, which is rich with difficult work in meatpacking plants and on farms, feedlots and oil fields. But over the last decade, as their population in the rural Great Plains spiked by 54 percent — a figure comparable to gains in metro areas in the region — Hispanic residents have pushed from hubs like nearby Dodge City, Garden City and Liberal into ever smaller communities, buying property on the cheap, enticed, many say, by the opportunity to live quiet lives in communities more similar to those in which they were raised.
In the sparsely populated western half of Kansas, every county but one experienced a decline in the non-Hispanic white population, two-thirds of them by more than 10 percent.
At the same time, a vast majority experienced double-digit growth in Hispanic population, more than offsetting the declines in seven counties and many smaller cities and towns. Those places with the highest percentage of Hispanic residents tend to have the lowest average ages, the highest birth rates and the most stable school populations.
“These towns, I don’t know what they would do without Mexicans,” said Oscar Rivera, a Honduran immigrant who lives in a community of a few hundred people and travels through rural parts of western Kansas selling prepaid phone cards used to call overseas. “It would be like ghost towns.”
Holy cow. US citizens are saved from more ghost towns by migrants...
NY Times? I'm sure the facts are correct about the demographics but very off about the reasons.
The reason for the exodus of whites, is the Huge Agri-Corporations buying up the land. Back in 70's and 80's millions lost their farms (that crisis was well known). My Grandparents farm was bought up by an Agriculture Corporation after they could no longer work the land due to old age, but alot of people were lured into the loans and then were systematically bankrupted. It was a major shift of assets from the people to the Central Banking System Cartels.
The Agriculture Corporations needed the cheap labor to do the work, part of the new modern day feudal system.
It looks like the author of the NY times piece is Jewish (Sulzberger), with the racist undertones against whites and inaccuracies, which are not surprising.
They take the jobs that have been reassigned illegal alien wage scales. Americans often prefer to receive extended unemployment conpensation rather than illegal alien caste wages.
"..they enthusiastically take the jobs no one else wants - just like every other immigrant group has done - and make the whole place stronger"
Go tell it to once quiet communities that now have to deal with Gang shooting!
If you look at the global picture, immigration is zero sum. Humans don't appear out of magic dust...they are born somewhere, they live somewhere, and they die somewhere.
Any country that accepts large amounts of immigrants, legal or not, will get a temporary benefit from having cheap labor, but ultimately will be overrun by associated costs and overcrowding.
Generally, the West accepts so many immigrants because white people haven't gotten over their "rule the world" complex. They can't go abroad anymore to do it, so they import the brown and black people to do it at home.
From the American perspective, I fail to see how adding so many Mexicans is going to create utopia. We may get some more barrios and taquerias here or there, but how it will make us all billionaires who will live forever is beyond me.
Well, I don't think there are many folks here in the USA who PLAN on "adding so many Mexicans."
But the Mexicans have a legitimate historical claim on much of the USian Southwest. CA, AZ, NM, TX--they're just "returning home" a few hundred years after conquest. That's the problem with conquering territory--if you don't kill *EVERYONE* the offspring can keep trying to come back forever.
The Israelis have the same problem, and I've heard some mention of such things with the Aborigines in Australia, although that's a subject I don't know much about.
Many people in US, including me, have no problem with Mexicans coming into the U.S. They just need to go through the proper channels like everyone else, that is all. Mexico was purposely encouraging people to leave for the US. Entire states had to reorganize their Welfare systems to include these people. And people who do not live in the U.S. seem to assume that Illegals are rounded up routinely and put in "holding camps" or deported. This is not the case. Communities everywhere know who is and who isn't here legally for the most part, and they are only arrested when they start shooting, robbing, or raping, which is unfortunately on the rise.
You talk about them "returning" home. I lived in the SW for years and had friends with Americans who's ancestors never left the area. In other words, most "Mexicans" who lived in these areas, never "left". If you go into New Mexico Big families with land are everywhere who have been there since before the war. In fact, many of these "Mexican" families wanted to be part of the US. Of course, not all of them, but many did.
This is not the same as "Israel" and I can see what you are subtly trying to do....Are you a sayanim? I've seen other insinuations by you before.
It sounds a bit like you think I'm in favor of illegal immigration. Hardly. I'm in favor of eliminating national borders, which automatically eliminates illegal immigration. (I'm also in favor of eliminating the welfare state. Both of these principles are roughly in-line with traditional libertarian values, although eliminating borders does go a good bit beyond opening them to free passage, which is more typical.)
I didn't think any of what I mentioned could be considered controversial, but let's hear your explanation and alternative view of history.
Why do so many towns/cities/states in SW US have Spanish names? Like California, for example? Or Nevada? Was it some kind of homage by the English/Scottish/Dutch/German settlers from the east? Was there a massive influx of Spanish US-settlers who just happened to head west early on?
What about the US-Mexican war? Familiar with that guy Teddy Roosevelt? Almost half the "Mexican" territory conquered in a war based on false pretenses?
I'm not as sly as you suggest I am. I'm certainly not implying or insinuating anything. This is a basic matter of early US history, and while most of our countrymen have little interest in the subject, I personally believe we owe to ourselves to be honest about it.
What story do you prefer? Lying about your past is a long-standing tradition in this country, so it's not like you'd be in bad company.
eliminating national borders sounds like losing a nation's sovereignty.
Not really, because you make it sound as if there'd be some other "sovereign" which would supersede the previous nation-states.
My view is that there's no need for ANYONE to have "rulers." We are all our own sovereigns. No "national" or "international" authority is worth protecting or maintaining.
We both share the same supreme sovereignty over our own behavior.
This is not the kind of thing that can be understood by folks who need external authority figures in order to understand their world.
Why don't you start with south LA and see how that all works out. Make sure you're living there so you can help everyone understand the world, as it unfolds.
It took me quite awhile to figure out what you were trying to say here, but I consulted a few other junior high kids and they translated for me.
To which I can reply: it's already true in South Central LA. It's been going on there for decades.
The cops are just a rival gang.
Don't worry, tonto, it's over your head. Get back to work....
Hi freak,
You sound confused and angry. I don't think you know what you're talking about and you sound batshit crazy to me. The "Mexicans" in the SW were never ran off their land because of the this war. Whether war was right or wrong, is not the issue. Nobody is "Returning" like you are suggesting because the Mexicans in those areas never left!!!!!! They have continuously lived in what is now New Mexico, Texas, California, etc. They never left. Nobody ran them off and "ethnically cleansed" them. Santa Fe is the oldest city in N America.... That is from their own motto. I hung out in NM with Mexicans and Zuni Indians, and even an Apache. THEY NEVER LEFT OR WERE RUN OUT. They've always been there. NOBODY wants them to leave or anything, because everyone knows they are as much American as the next guy/gal. Old Mexican and Indian families in the SW don't like the bombardment of immigrants either. But you have people like the Amy Goodman and Katrina Vander Heuvel who are screaming racist racist at any White person who disagrees with lax immigration for Mexicans. Amy Goodman is another liar and deceiver for her conniving and sneaky tactics, including how she panders the MSM lies about Syria (and Libya before). She is 100% Zionist all the way although she is a phony and attempts to hide it. She was also spreading the MSM bit on Zimmerman being White, until the lie was just too much since anyone looking at the guy knows he is hispanic.
There's a huge chunk of ultra left liberals, like Amy, who have no idea what they are talking about. They haven't lived around Mexicans, haven't associated with Mexicans, nor have they worked with Mexicans, or had intimate relations with them. It's like the other nutcase on this thread putting links to a NY Times article written by another Jewish guy, that isn't telling all the facts.
Lo siento, senor, no sabe nada de mi.
Pues...si, soy "freak," pero prefiero "freek." Gracias.
Por que no respuestas?
Something else to ponder; Caucasian remains have been found all over N America and date back as far as 10,000 years.
You're just spreading the bs the Jewish left is spewing out....such as racist and marxist Amy Goodman, Noam Chumpsky, and their non-jewish cohorts like Katrina Vander Heuvel of Nation Magazine.
Legitimate claim? It’s called a lie. It's like Chief Seattle.
The "problem" is that the Jews and the Mexicans are having a hard time getting the people to believe their lies.
La Raza (The Race) has decided that the North American continent used to be Mexico, while the Indians claim it was Navaho Man’s land and the scientists are arguing it may belong to Clovis Man. Of course, Kennewick Man’s grave immediately was obliterated with rubble by Bill Clinton since Mr. Kennewick, found to have been in Kennewick, Washington, around 9,300 years ago, obviously was White, and such a claim, of course, is racist and, therefore, absurd and illegal.
And Adam and Eve wrote down that the eastern shore of the Mediterranean was from the beginning Israel, right, because Abe Finkelstein’s tent was found there. Right?
The Americans have a problem, all right; it's illegal Mexicans and the Zionists It's a prismatic problem - from every direction.
I certainly do acknowledge that there have been caucasians all over the world from a very long time back. I would not conclude that finding bones of a given structure in, just for discussion's sake, Thailand, would support the assertion that "whites" settled the Far East before all the slanty-eyes showed up.
That would be...BATSHIT CRAZY.
Perhaps you have a large body of evidence showing signs of the major habitation of the Southwestern US by Northern/Western Europeans before the mid-19th century. It's easy to identify certain architectural structures, agricultural techniques, evidence of domesticated cattle and sheep. A few dozen villages from the pre-Columbian period with a few hundred residents identifiable as caucasian (with the large rounded foreheads and squarish jaws) buried in typically pagan graves.
Obviously the Spanish settlers who traveled up the California coast building missions with designs on converting the Indians to Catholicism would have encountered all these "whites." Spanish records would surely descibe either battles or diplomacy which had to have occurred when the competing groups encountered each other. There'd also be traces of the oral history shared between the surviving Indians and these early caucasians.
But...where is all this research? It couldn't possibly just be a patchwork of websites put together by a bunch of deluded bigots with a strong desire to promote some vision of Christian "whites" as God's chosen people...could it?
I'd be interested to learn more about this perspective, so if you can provide some book titles and names of the anthropologists and historians who've done the work, I'll check it out. I have a library card, and believe it or not, an open mind.
I spent a few months paying close attention at Rense.com, too. Those guys are FUCKING BATSHIT CRAZY.
(I almost forgot to mention: I don't take that old Jewish book real seriously. Creation myths are myths. I may have the mistaken impression that you're not a big fan of the Jews, and I admit I'm not sure why you'd bring up their old ghost stories in this discussion.)
New Spain (reference)…
“The conquest of the Aztecs by a Spanish force under Hernan Cortes between 1519 and 1521 inaugurated the colonial period of Mexican history. Mexico remained part of the Spanish empire until the establishment of independence in 1821. Along with neighboring regions, it was officially known as New Spain. …
“Near the end of the 16th century the northern frontier of New Spain in most areas was close to the present Mexican-United States boundary line. Within the area that is now the United States a settlement had been made in Florida in 1565. In 1598 Juan de Onate began the conquest of New Mexico, though the Indians of the region rebelled in 1680 and were not re-conquered until 1694. After the French had established colonies in Louisiana, Spanish settlements were made in Texas in 1716, while on the Pacific Coast the threat of Russian expansion caused the Spaniards in 1769 to begin the occupation of upper California. Throughout the 18th century, there were incessant boundary disputes between Spain, Britain, France and subsequently the United States, and other territories changed hands several times. Florida was ceded to Britain in 1763, restored to Spain in 1783 and sold to the United States in 1819. Louisiana became Spanish in 1763, but was regained by France in 1800 and sold to the United States three years later. The northern boundary of New Spain remained largely indeterminate until the Adams-Onis treaty of 1819, by which the United States acquired Florida, but recognized Spanish sovereignty over Texas, New Mexico and California…
"Rebellion was made possible by Napoleon’s occupation of Spain in 1808 and his attempt to establish his brother Joseph Bonaparte as king. Creoles in Mexico immediately began to demand independence, though they continued to profess to the legitimate Spanish king. The movement was quickly suppressed by the gachupines, and its leaders were imprisoned. But revolutionary ideas continued to spread and in 1810 an insurrection was launched under the leadership of Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla, the priest of Dolores, who held strongly liberal ideas. Hidalgo called for the end of gachupin rule and also for racial equality and redistribution of the land in the big estates. This grito de Dolores (“cry of Dolores”) occurred on Sept. 16, now celebrated as Mexico’s Independence Day. But while Hidalgo’s revolutionary program appealed to the mestizos and Indians, it alarmed most of the Creoles and caused them to support gachupin authority. Thus the War of Independence became, in part, a civil war between different groups of Mexicans."—Encyclopedia Britannica Colonial Period 1519-1821
As for the Jewish occupation of Palestine (references):
It was the British in Versailles that took the campaign of the Zionists, blanking Woodrow Wilson and overriding the French, to push Palestinians out of Palestine and insert a Jewish nation that could provide duals citizenship for Jews no matter which home country they occupied. Israeli forces displaced some 700,000 Palestinians, forcing them to flee to differing neighboring countries.
Palestinians refer to May 15, 1948 as the “Nakba Day” or catastrophe, marking it the anniversary of evicting the Palestinians from their homes. PressTV explains, “The soldiers wiped nearly 500 Palestinian villages and towns off the map, leaving an estimated total of 4.7 million Palestinian refugees dreaming of an eventual return to their homeland more than six decades later.”
http://presstv.com/detail/179645.html
Margaret MacMillan in her book, “Paris 1919,” recounts the historic event:
“The Balfour Declaration had promised such protection for what it called ‘the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,’ a curious formulation when Palestinian Arabs, most of them Muslim but including some Christians, made up about four-fifths of a population of 700,000. It also reflected a tendency on the part of both the world’s statesmen and Zionist leaders to see Palestine as somehow empty. ‘If the Zionists do not go there,’ said Sir Mark Sykes firmly, ‘someone will, nature abhors a vacuum.’ A British Zionist is supposed to have coined the phrase ‘The land without people—for the people without land.’”
Arthur Balfour, in 1925, on his first visit to Palestine since the Jews were established there, “was touched by the reception he received throughout Palestine from Jews but failed to notice the Arabs in mourning and the shops closed in protest. His private secretary destroyed the hundreds of angry telegrams he received from Arabs before he could see them. When he and his party moved on to Syria to do some sightseeing, the French authorities mounted a guard around him, much to his annoyance. In Damascus, his hotel was surrounded by an excited crowd of 6000 Arabs. As the paving stones started to fly, and the French cavalry fired back, Balfour watched bemused. A young Arab attached to his party tried to explain why there was such opposition to Zionism. Balfour merely replied that he found the results of his experiment, ‘Extraordinarily interesting’.
“He sailed back to Europe on the Sphinx.”
As for liking or not liking the Jews, that is not the question. It is a question of the price of Zionist coercion on America, such as the tremendous rise in the price of oil due to Israeli-induced U.S. sanctions and terrorist actions against Iran, or such as the transfer of America’s wealth to foreign shores by international investment bankers bent on enormous ill-gotten profits through industrial arbitrage, or such as the world wars funded with money created by the private international bankers who own the Federal Reserve System.
Do you cut and paste this stuff without reading it?
How do you interpret this?
This may be difficult to understand, but if you go back to my post which initially attracted your attention, I'd said something exactly like:
Maybe if you can clarify your point. Keep the emphasis on Mexico and US history if you don't mind, that is the topic at hand.
Unbelievable!!! You want to harrass people on "bigotry" and then have the nerve to call Asians "slanty-eyes"??? You are such a racist. And JR brought up the Jews because you were talking about Israelis, and subtly trying to tie their situation with the Non-Jewish Whites in America. Just mentioning...
You're really not very good at this, son.
As for the UK, put a fork in her.
You Brits simultaneously try to preserve pride in your history and culture and island and people, yet you import so many Indians and Muslims and blacks and try to pretend that they're British too.
And you can't admit that they aren't, lest you become a "nazi" which is of course the worst sin, since you have this collective imagination that the British once saved the world from nazi rule.
By the way, the tories won't do much on immigration. They love it, for the cheap workers and profits.
So, your little island will continue to get more crowded and crowded, and if you ever complain, you're a nazi. Best of luck.
A pretty poor article, handpicking facts as they suit the author and ignoring all others.
But a fertility rate below two does not mean that the population should be shrinking, because improved health care has increased life expectancy.
You forgot to add: for now.
So it's all good, we don't need no stinkin' young people?
Please supply the statistics which the author failed to include.
I think there are three main reasons for the shape of the fertility chart. First, there were changes to UK abortion law in 1967 that directly affected the fertility rate: "Post 1967 there was a rapid increase in the annual number of legal abortions, and a decline in Sepsis and death due to illegal abortions. The rate of increase fell from the early 1970s and actually dipped from 1991-95 before rising again."
It seems to me this partly explains the shape of the chart; it doesn't have anything to do with life expectancy. They're two different things. Replacement rate by definition is a fertility rate > 2, and practically is more like 2.1, given childhood mortality - which is low, but not zero. So without immigration there cannot be population growth. Interestingly, according to DH, in 2006, there were 193,700 abortions in the UK. This number is approximately the same as the 200,000 immigrants allowed into the UK in 2006.
Second, there are all the cases of Western doctors playing God, for decades, from the '40s to the '70s, giving large numbers of pregnant women hormones like DES and other drugs like thalidomide that have resulted in truly staggering numbers of miscarriages, stillbirths, and birth defects of all sorts. Here's a nice example of profound medical malfeasance in the UK, implicating the government and pharma giant Schering AG. The case involves a super powerful estrogen given to women as a pregnancy test!!! You have to read it to believe it, but I think it has some impact on that fertility chart. i.e. it would have shown even higher fertility numbers from the '50s to the '70s, were it not for the massive human experiment that has been swept under the rug. (BTW, just as Fukushima deaths and birth defects are being carefully hidden)
Third, is the availability and social acceptance of birth control pills beginning in the early '70s. Big pharma has capitalized on women's desire (or need in many cases) to enter the workforce and delay or decline having children, and this has garnered the pharma companies huge profits. It's somewhat difficult for me to believe that if birth control pills were unavailable, that the birth rates wouldn't increase rather dramatically.
Who benefits from immigration then? People who need growth to exist: the parasite class. They are reduced to blatant theft in the absence of growth. I think it's somewhat ironic, because what the women of the UK are saying by using birth control is that they've had enough babies, given available resources. That's a pretty sensible response to increasing scarcity, albeit driven largely by increasing inequality. At the same time, the government actively counteracts that feedback, and overrides it with a new influx of (hopefully) income producing taxpaying debt slaves. Can't say it makes any sense to me, but then again, I think most of the "leaders" are insane sociopaths.
"Racists and the far right have dominated the debate and appropriated the language necessary to make even a well reasoned argument."
Everyone is called a racist if they want stricter laws enforced on people living in the U.S. illegally. If I criticize the fact that in my state someone who is here illegally can get free medical help while I cannot, or I criticize the handouts given to illegal immigrants, then I'm a Racist.
This is simply a small part of the intention by the Global Power Elites to destroy Sovereignty.
NO nation or government will EVER hand over their Sovereignty and give up their nation-state WITHOUT A FIGHT....
UNLESS.....
The Global Elite's infiltrated (like a quiet coup) the government; they gained total control over the nation's governing body (legislation, executive, AND judicial...plus the Media), and our politicians we think we are electing are merely PROXY leaders for the Elites...NOW the Global Elites have the power to destroy the Sovereignty...but it would never be handed over by the people!!!
The population declines DO NOT MATTER. Like this guy in the article concludes, only the Elites benefit. But they also benefit in destroying sovereignty, because by doing so they move us closer to their One Government and Currency model that they seek.
Illegal Immigration also has to do with MASS production of Farming by Mega Corporations that are growing our food; Family farms could never produce at this level and could always (in old days) rely on family and community for labor force.
The Elite got all kinds of tricks to make people think in certain ways. The illegals are serving another more sinister goal of the Elites. As the U.S. loses its sovereignty (handed over by the politicians), the Elites will then work up the people into frenzy over racial tensions. War inside America is mostly inevitable unless the Globalists are stopped. New England and much of the Atlantic Northern Coastal areas (and Florida), including DC will, of course, be immune to the violence and will most likely sever ties with the rest of the nation (after they have looted the entire nation and stripped every ounce of wealth).
Americans like immigration. What we do not like is choatic, pro-Mexican killing economic refugee policies masquarading as lawful immigration for the purpose of advancing socialism by abusing desperate people to get here by any means possible so they can vote for marxist policies. That is what is racist.
We would gladly take all the foreign doctors, engineers and business grads from our universities coming from Mexico, Nigeria, Brazil, China, or anywhere, by letting them stay here. But the progressive racist policy is to summarily kick out all those highly educated minority grads after the 75,000/yr limit has been reached. Instead, the 'progressives' policy is to aggressively dangle taxpayer money at the Southern border to entice uneducated economic refugees to risk their lives, and their childrens lives, against hostile deserts and drug cartels to get here illegally. Progressives simply do not care if they die, as long as they get here.
"It is absurd for America to think they can rebuild their economy with millions of fruit pickers." -- Lee Kwan Yew, former president of Singapore.
BTW, I've always wondered, where exactly are all the colored MPs, and PMs in Europe?? Minorities have been in Europe for centuries, why no blacks in high level government, anywhere in Europe?? The black slave trade between Europe and the Africa Muslims occurred way before they were brought to America. And the word 'slave' itself comes from the word 'Slav', from the days of Muslim invasions in Europe enslaving the European slavic peoples. Muslims not racists? They still legally have slaves to this day.
Europe should not believe the American liberal media propaganda about racism in the USA. It's all the liberals can do just to find anyone saying the "N" word. The only time in the history of the world that a race and class went to war with themselves to free another race and class was when the anti-slavery Republican party fought the Democrat slave owners to end slavery. Since then, one-third of the people lynched by the 'liberal' democrats in the early 20th century were white Republicans still fighting for the civil rights of blacks.
Former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm gave this stunning speech in 2004 at an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC. titled "I Have a Plan to Destroy America."
Here is what he said:
"If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"
"Here is how they do it:
"First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.”
Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.
Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.
"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.
"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.
"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. E. Pluribus Unum -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus'. Instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."
"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."
Said SafeHaven which published the speech with permission in 2006, “In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said”: "Lastly, I would censor Victor Davis Hanson's book, Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."
http://www.safehaven.com/article/4837/how-to-destroy-america
If you want to know how far America has gone down this path, take a look at the June 25, 2012, cover of Time Magazine with the banner headline: WE ARE AMERICANS *Just not legally. We’re some of the nearly 12 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. Why we’re done hiding." By Jose Antonio Vargas (undocumented journalist) who is joined in a belligerent stance on the Time cover “by other undocumented immigrants from around the world.”
The article reprinted on LATINOVOICES says, the “Vargas' TIME story also comes just months after the same publication ran another cover story which argued that the Latino vote would be the deciding factor in the presidential election, based on population growth in key states.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/time-magazine-cover-featu_n_1596453.html
"First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. "
History shows that this idiot is full of shit. Switzerland has 4 official languages. Norway, Canada, and Belguim have two. China, India and Russia have many languages and cultures.
I don't know how many, but the US has a few official languages too. All government programs always have somebody available to help in one of the major languages.
Also, you HAVE TO have both fluency in Spanish and English to gain employment at many government offices as well as most the businesses now. If you do not know Spanish in some areas your job prospects are fewer and fewer. You're probably living someplace that doesn't have mixed English/Spanish cultures. If you did you would see that your statements don't make any sense to some of us who do.
The US has NO "official" languages. "Official" would mean that certain specific languages would be formally required for certain practices or to receive some legal status.
There aren't any. That's why there have to be translators for ANYONE'S native tongue when they have to appear in courtrooms.
It's depressing seeing how little people care about the practices of their own country. You'd never pass a citizenship test, headless.
Depends on where you live. Some court rooms they speak spanish.
I meant common languages. I doubt if your depressed about anything, since its your job to play fucking head games with people. Like the Idiot White guy, AnAnonymous.
I see you same guys in a bunch of websites, the same little gang playing games with anyone that is not open to illegal immigrants poring over the borders, or anyone that talks about the Jewish Elite running the Government, finance, and Hollywood.....and, anyone that speaks negatively of the UK. I hate sneaky deceptive people. Lying, deceitful, sneaky, dishonest people are the worse to me. People like you disgust me, don't talk to me anymore.
Nah, my job is to help demonstrate that NOT EVERYONE who posts in these forums is a miseducated bigot with a completely warped worldview promulgated by the likes of Fox News and John Birch.
If you're one of them, nut up and fight or just maybe learn something about your world. If you want to puss out and run off, though, by all means you should be able to resist replying to me.
A lot of you guys give Americans a bad name. It's no wonder the residents of this patch of land are often regarded as a bunch of dumb white trash by the rest of the 1st world. You've really helped earn an unfair generalization.
You're not an American, so fuck off liar. You're one of the worse kinds of bigots of all; telling everyone its for "the good" like Amy Goodman types. Go ahead and call people bigots and racists if they don't want people poring across their borders or governmental control by zionists. Those are the two points that bother you.
Your job is to come in here and make your jabs. Psycho!
What is with your obsession with Amy Goodman?
What's my obsession? I guess it has to do with the fact that she operates a "news" site that's purpose is to get the truth out that the MSM fails to do, but is actually part of the mainstream with her support of MSM lies on Syria. She makes masses of money off being a "gatekeeper"...a perfect word for the scam artist. Because of her and others the truth about 9/11 has been purposely obviscated. I don't think it was just her people behind 9/11 but there is a zionist element involved. I can't stand deceptive liars, who put out the truth to a degree but then hold back. She's into her liberal left to the point of damaging truth.
Don't talk to me anymore. You seem like a sociopath with a blown up sense of self; maybe go find your buddy "boiltherich" who seems more on par with you, being that he has advertised his dick on this site you might enjoy him. Now leave me alone. I only checked back to see if you were still responding. Next time I don't want to find another response from you.
You've been coming back for more abuse for 2 days now! You're a whipped dog, kiddo.
I'm sorry if some Jew girl laughed when you asked her to the Easter dance, but it's really not the kind of thing I need to know about. I'm still patiently waiting for you to say anything of consequence after you made such a complete fool of yourself.
hey tonto, you're the one that keeps coming back for more. I've never lived around Jews. I married a beautiful Christian European American girl. We've been married 25 years. When I was single I never once got turned down for a date, i've always been quite popular with the opposite sex. I attribute that to my awesome good looks, which I get from the Syrian side of my family (My Christian syrian roots go wayyyyy back....Unlike your people who have faked their way into the Holy Land) and my respect for women, unlike your people who have stripped women (litterally) of their dignity.
That should be enough information about me to keep you busy for awhile. I don't have anything to hide. Now get lost.
The Canadians may be on to something that satisfies some of Monedas' benevolent racist protocols ! Orderly, neat, industrious, thrifty Asians who show up with skills and education and enough money to buy their own homes and businesses ! Talk about "Turn Key Immigration" ! Monedas 1929 In contrast .... we subsidize loser Haitian riff raff ! Go figger ? We give fuel rods and foreign aid to our sworn socialist enemies .... while our internal socialists sabotage our economy and domestic tranquility ! Liberals are traitorous sucks !
Monedas proposes a permanent emigration bounty .... $100,000 and a plane ticket to any welfare loser who renounces his American citizenship and leaves forever ! Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad Exodus Prospectus
I could say a lot on this topic. But I will just ask how often you hear Muslims talk about other issues that have nothing to do with Muslims? i.e. they only focus on themselves.
Spend a lot of time with the Muzzies, do ya?
If a man wants to raise a family of 5 children .... he better make at least $250,000 a year .... to give them everything a welfare father of 5 gets for free ! Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad Economic Racial Extermination
So dumb and why on ZH? garbage, spam - this bozo is dumber than dumb. Ahole too. Why waste my time with an intelligent rebuttal, because this clown is a lost cause.
I'd love to read your 'intellegent rebuttal', it won't be a waste of your time.
This piece was a very poor attempt to place blame. What is the author's name anyway; Ali? Pray tell, what is the precentage of first generation born of immigrant parents in the UK? Much data you have omitted. Anyway, birth rates are cultural. White's were sold the old adage:"Don't have anymore chuldren than what YOU can afford". That lesson was obviously lost on evrybody else {except certain asian cultures}. You get more of what you pay for: have subsidies for more welfare dependant children and that is what you are going to get. I heard of this scam going on in Illinois {and I am sure elsewhere too} and it goes like this: Girl gets knocked up. Her mother goes to a welfare case worker and says: "My 15 yrs old daughter can't handle two kids" {she has one allready}. The case worker signs up the child into the foster care program, with the grandmother as the foster parent, GETTING PAID TAXPAYER DOLLAR$ TO WATCH HER OWN GRANDCHILD! Nothing else has changed, they all still live in the same house, etc, ect, except now the taxpayers are paying for children. What a racket. Could'nt make this up folks.
Immigration in and of itself is not the problem. The problem is when you have free for all, unchecked, illegal immigration. It is incompatible with a modern welfare state. It was differant when everyone paid they're own way, however that is not the case nowadays. They get set up on the legal taxpaying citizen, who has to pay they're own way, AND somebody else'. No wonder taxpayers feel like suckers. Most illegal 'grunts I have talked to, don't want to be american citizens anyway. All they want, is to be legal to be here, something very differant. They want all of the priviledges of citizenship, with none of the responsibilities. Phuk 'em. Who can ever forget the May Day marches, where their commie handlers had to tell them to put away their mexican flags, as it was showing the true face of thier movement? You can't have tens of millions of people in your country who want to dismantle it. That is the definition of an invading army.
Government compensation and welfare benefits net net are more closely guarded than our nuclear secrets !
Countries that attract immigrants are better off than xenophobic shit holes like Syria ! Israel is the immigration magnet in the middle east ! We have a right to conserve the way of life that made us an attractive destination in the first place, however !
Israel? Really.....Don't think so. They have resident guest workers, but not eligble for israeli citizenship unless you are a jew. Entirely differant thing. If what you said were true, the palastinians would'nt be in Gaza.
Jews are notorious for talking diversity and tolerance for the rest of the world, but don't want it at home. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!
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