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Guest Post: Introducing The Government’s Newest Unpaid Spy: YOU

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man

Introducing The Government’s Newest Unpaid Spy: YOU

One of the most terrifying aspects of George Orwell’s seminal work 1984 was his description of how society had turned into one giant police agency. People were encouraged to rat each other out, groomed since childhood to be unpaid government spies:

“[Children] adored the Party and everything connected with it… All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children.”

The Department of Homeland Security’s “If you see something, say something…” is not too far off from this paradigm– encouraging citizens to rat each other out to the police for the mere suspicion of potential wrong-doing.

DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano even made a special appearance at last Sunday’s Super Bowl to get the message out about ‘public vigilance,’ and ensure that the entire city of Indianapolis was blanketed with advertisements from her Big Brother campaign.

DHS Introducing the governments newest unpaid spy: YOU

The IRS has been encouraging this type of behavior for years, rewarding citizens with a share of collections for anyone who snitches on potential tax cheats. Last year the agency upped its reward payout for tax informants, topping out at a full 30%.

A few months ago, the Mayor of Newark, NJ announced a similar program designed to reward citizens for snitching on gun owners. According to the mayor, “We don’t even have to have a conviction,” for an informant to get paid a cool $1,000 cash. Rat out your neighbor, get paid. Simple.

(As an aside, police in neighboring East Orange, NJ have rolled out a new pre-crime surveillance system. In the words of Police Chief William Robinson, “The police are observing you. The police are recording you. And the police are responding.” Big Brother is clearly watching.)

In the financial system, there are droves of civilian agencies that have been coerced into becoming government spies. As we discussed a few weeks ago, everyone from bankers to brokers to gold dealers are obliged to submit ‘suspicious activity reports’ to the federal government. They even have minimum quotas.

What’s more, these so-called “SARs” must remain top-secret. It’s a crime for your banker to inform you that you were the subject of a suspicious activity report.

Yesterday, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), the federal agency which oversees the legions of unpaid government spies, added a few more businesses to the list. Now non-bank mortgage lenders and originators must ‘assist law enforcement’ by submitting suspicious activity reports.

The rule will take effect in the spring. What’s ambiguous is whether or not it will apply to -individuals- who hold and issue private mortgages.

Despite 50 pages of new regulations, the definition of ‘residential mortgage lender’ remains unclear. This is common with laws and regulations… they take up a lot of space, but they’re incredibly vague. Based on the published text:

  • Individuals who finance the sale of their residence are exempt.
  • Individuals who finance an investment property/properties that they own may be subject to the rule.
  • Businesses who own and finance investment properties are more than likely subject to the rule.
  • Individuals and businesses who finance properties that they do not own are subject to the rule.
  • Individuals and businesses who accept a residential mortgage application are subject to the rule.

In other words, if you loan money to someone to buy a house, you might just become the next unpaid government spy. Congratulations.

What’s incredible is that FinCEN came up with this rule all on its own. There was no Constitutional legislative progress. Nothing was submitted for debate on the House floor, or for the President’s signature.

This is not a law. It’s simply a new policy that a federal agency decided to impose, in its sole discretion. And it happens every single day across the hundreds of federal agencies in Washington– a sort of ‘self-legislation’ which creates thousands of pages of new regulations that each and every American is obliged to obey.

Not exactly what the Founding Fathers had in mind…

In the case of FinCEN, the agency has conjured a rule creating (by their estimate) 31,000 new unpaid government spies. You might be one of them. And in the coming months, you can expect more rulings that will apply to other professions– real estate agents, pawn brokers, and just about anyone who deals in cash.

Have you reached your breaking point yet?


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Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:49 | 2139785 AN0NYM0US
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bought and unlocked new iphone from the local Apple Store (it will  be returned so I am acutally borrowing it for a couple of weeks) and then went to my favorite ATT store to get a $10 30 day microsim to activate the thing

fatnerd ATT guy thought he had a prime suspect - who would bring in a new $600 iphone and only want a $10 chip - the questions and the stare -


Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:51 | 2139802 drink or die
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When he asks why make sure you reply with "pretty sure it's none of your f*cking business"

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:59 | 2139823 Shizzmoney
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I would just reply with a smile, "Well, I love hookers......but can't let the wife find out, ya know!"

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:08 | 2140713 Harbanger
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Anonymous still thinks he is.  Until he's replaced by...Anonymous.  Silly rabbit.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:57 | 2140804 Michael
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Silly rabbit, trix are for kids.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 02:29 | 2140850 Harbanger
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Thanks Bro.  Our career Congress is useless anyhow (term limits?) The biggest fear of TPTB is an educate citizenry...Remember..together we're invincible.  FEMA?  So we're all terrorists now? Yeah let them try and put 100M people away.  Stop Voting for libs, vote for people that follow our Constitution.  No, both sides are NOT THE SAME.  That's a losers attitude.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 08:12 | 2140985 thewhitelion
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95% of both sides ARE the same on the most important issues.  FYI, that's not an atttitude, it's a fact, and easily observable.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 10:01 | 2141287 smb12321
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I would almost guarantee that ZH is "monitored" by the FBI.  Not for the economic/political news (lol) but for some of the - how to say this nicely - bizarre views of the posters.   Almost all "suspects" do it to themselves - ominous, slightly threatening remarks that the powers that wanna be interpret as potentially dangerous.  I mean, if a poster stated he had a nuke in DC, would your response be, "That's nice."Considering that this is one of the few website where Iran, Syria and Ruissia are viewed as innocent good guys, that could possibly be the response. 

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:59 | 2139831 HedgeAccordingly
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I spy some animated Toggles - 

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:25 | 2139916 Mike2756
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We used to laugh at the Russians for this stuff. Not so funny now, is it?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:23 | 2140102 tankster
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yeah, Soverein Man, and the rest of you,

I happen to be a plumber that works in Newark from time to time, and I can tell you, from personal experience, that Booker is on the right track. There are WAY too many guns in Newark (and East Orange for that matter) and the people that are getting "ratted out" are not your law-abiding citizens, to say the Least! There's always one fuck, in a group of loudmouthes, who's the "carrier", or to whom one  must pay "respect"! I'ts disgusting.

Nj is THE hardest state in which to own a lawfully aquired firearm, and an argument can be made that more firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens is a good thing, (which I agree with) but to blindly advocate for the "libertarian" agenda without considering the facts on the ground is naive, at best.

BTW have you seen the"RAND" Paul add for rolling back Roe Vs. Wade?

I guess libertarianism only applies to the male of the species....

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:42 | 2140155 pods
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God I hate the term "Law abiding citizen."


Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:47 | 2140167 JPM Hater001
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HEY! Dont be throwing "Soverein Man" around!  You want us all to end up on a list?  huh?  Those bastards have machines that read everything and report it to big the FBI and you could find yourself a non-self.

Ahem: I pleadge allegence to the INGSOC...

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:56 | 2140190 skully1969
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Can anyone make any sense out of this gibberish?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 23:36 | 2140484 Sam Clemons
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I had no idea what he was trying to say other than calling someone else idiots. 

That is what I'm finding the problem with society today is...everyone, no matter how dumb, thinks everyone else is more dumb. 

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 00:11 | 2140584 Bringin It
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If he's a plumber from NJ, ... ask him if his keyboard gets stinky?   <Joking> I don't think he's a plumber from NJ.  The them they, love gun control.  The only rational I have read for Fast and Furious was that Hillary and others thought they would encourage gun restrictions, on sales for example, if they could get a high percentage of weapons seized in Mexico's drug war, originating in the AZ, US.

So he's trolling for gov. gun controls.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:24 | 2140741 Harbanger
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Every idiot is entitled to be smarter than the next idiot.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:42 | 2140307 Theta_Burn
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Greetings from central Jersey

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 10:04 | 2141311 smb12321
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Yes, the vast majority of crime (99.999999%) is done by a tiny portion of the population.   People are not going to be complaining that cousing Joe is a terrorist because he owes you $20.  Yet another wet dream fantasy for the diehard ZH posters who are convinced that despite their anti-society comments freely expressed, the police state is just around the corner.,. 

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:47 | 2139971 non_anon
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kinda, trying to read all the posts, but I ditched my cell phone a few years back, GPS tracking and other "service" fees, trying to figure out how to get rid of my land line!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:06 | 2140043 Schmuck Raker
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I think everyone should start going around doing 'suspicious' stuff.

Have fun with it, why be afraid when there's so much entertainment to be had.

  • Walk into a bank, or public building and start taking pictures with your phone - be blatant.
  • Next time your at the bank ask what time the armored car usually comes - "Why? Oh... no reason."
  • Run out of a store with your arm tucked in your jacket like you're hiding something.
  • Act as furtively as possible when unlocking your car at the mall - keep that head on a swivel.
  • When shopping, ask about additional exits, or if you can see the back-room.
  • Next time you see a policeman, run away. Just for the exercise.

Turn that frown upside down. These are 'interesting times' we're living in. So LIVE a little.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:49 | 2140175 JPM Hater001
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Last week I asked how much money my bank could pay out without problem on an average day.  After funny looks and a check-in with the manager the girl came back, "Well, $5000 most days but it can vary."

Hmmm.  When the banks start to run that doesnt sound like much.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:59 | 2140196 HungrySeagull
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We moved tens of thousands after a house sale once.

Not a problem. They knew where the money came from, no doubt about it.


Just one tidbit for you Vets and SS folks. That money is tagged with a XX on your direct deposit statement so that if there is a garnishment, those deposits are protected. All other deposits made are fair game.


Several years ago in a POS FDIC bank branch, The entire staff had to dig up the 600 or so dollars I asked for. I was told they ordered a Armored truck from Fed Reserve to bring more money to run the branch it will be a while.

I got out of FDIC that week.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 00:16 | 2140606 Bringin It
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He's talking about removing cash.  Can not be done in the US.  Yes you can transfer your digits around.

We moved tens of thousands after a house sale once.

Not a problem. They knew where the money came from, no doubt about it.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:27 | 2140253 nevadan
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About a month ago I was in my bank depositing some checks and asked for $2k in cash, which was produced without any question.  The teller and I have developed a friendly relationship over the several years I have banked at this particular branch.  It occurred to me to ask her how much cash I could collect before the red flags and sirens would go off at Homeland Security, IRS, etc.  She smiled coyly and said "well there is a number but I can't tell you what it is.  If you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about".  I replied that that was what the Nazi's said before they took over.  She smiled coyly.....

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:39 | 2140280 HungrySeagull
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I have a credit union with a VERY good staff.

It is not easy to find such resources these days.


Rural banking is rather nice when the Staff is on good terms with you. I will mention that I take my cash in 20's only not 50's or 100's nope. I have not run them dry yet.

Even though sometimes the armed bank courier is standing with the staff and holstered weapon taking care of them on the quiet days I go.

A Casino told me 9,999.00 without any issue. If I happened to visit several times after my regular meals and cashed in chips.... there is no issue. After all they are open 24 seven. Now Indian Casinos.... they are Soveriegn Nations and not under US Law, but under Tribal Law.

They do hate with a great passion the US 20 dollar bill though. They cannot stand to look at them but will issue you, paleface with that crap.


After all that Indian Casino will generate the revenue they need to raise up a City complete with regular stuff we are used to having in our US Cities. That is how they are going to dig themselves off the reservation. Someday they will unite and sue the USA for Nationhood.

THAT will be interesting.

I always leave said casino as if they are owning my home and a sad face to match the body language. That keeps me from being a mark.

A bum asked me for money at a gas station, I laughed and said everything is electronic. Hell the Credit card can be given to him at gunpoint but what good is it? The banks will intercept that with a phone call.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:34 | 2140283 illyia
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I asked a few years ago and the answer was 9,999.00 before the flag - but the oversight is much greater now. Perhaps the goal is total information awareness...

Oops. I did it again.


Wed, 02/08/2012 - 23:23 | 2140445 RexZeedog
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Every week, take an extra $100 or so and stash it aside. Everyone should have at least $5,000 cas stashed away, untraceable, at all times.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:48 | 2140787 Harbanger
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5K Untraceable?  If that's your circumstance, then use 75 bucks of it to buy some storable FOOD.  Cause eventually 5k will buy you and your loved ones a box of corn flakes.  Better to become politically involved while you still can.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:00 | 2140693 xcehn
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Depends on your particular 'profile,' i.e., your transaction history. If the cash transaction is 'unusual,' as little as $2500 could trigger it. However, 6k or more definitely will according to many informal sources.  I have heard that bank clerks are so intimidated by SAR law that they will always file a SAR if there's the slightest appearance of irregularity, out of fear for being cited for failing to file one.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:54 | 2140802 Harbanger
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If you take advice from a Bank teller, don't worry about a financial collapse.  Just roll with the punches.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:39 | 2140770 brettd
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You're more right than you know, IMHO. And funny, to boot!  

I was in Bejing some time ago and looked around at the masses.  In seconds it became so clear that trying to surveil any large population 

will quickly bankrupt the country that tries to do it---not to mention drive the people doing the surveilling completely batty. 

The other "screw with big brother" tactic that is a favorite is working to reduce your tax liability---legally---to zero.  It's really a fun sport, and can be


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 12:31 | 2142078 unnamed enemy
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why dont you try some of those activities and let us know how it goes.

i have a feeling you gonna run into big brother very soon, and its probably not going to be as much fun as you think.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 00:08 | 2140568 trav7777
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iphones are for losers

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:45 | 2139787 lotsoffun
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what is my 'breaking point'?  what is yours?  want to see me get blown up to protect your interests?  nice guy mr. simon black.  i've got your black back ok?  i'm right behind you.  let's have lots of fun.


Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:45 | 2139973 Temporalist
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In light of the recent articles about "sovereign citizens" Mr. Black calling himself Sovereign Man exposed his back some time ago.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:49 | 2139990 Sabibaby
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Not sure what my breaking point is but I bought some bullets today.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:12 | 2140067 Whoa Dammit
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Saw a well dressed Gen X guy hit his breaking point a couple of days ago at Kroger, when he saw the price of Entenmann's coffee cake. ($6.50). He went into quite a rant about how food roits were going to start soon because people can't afford food.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:42 | 2140306 HungrySeagull
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Wait until you learn the fucking quart of Breyers Ice Cream is 6.50+ at Wal greens while Walmart sells the exact same for about 3.25 give or take a little.


It aint my breaking point.


Frankly I have hardened myself and family to the coming troubles... there is a breaking point, and I have hit it several times in life. I know where they are. And it aint going to be the gas prices or any of that crap.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:41 | 2140777 Dave Thomas
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If I saw a Gen X Yuppie bitching about Entenmanns coffee cake I'd consider that like the seventh fucking sign!


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:41 | 2140778 Thomas Jefferson
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LMAO.  Entemann's sure is good.  I like eating the icing off the chocolate cake.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 01:46 | 2140785 brettd
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Who can afford cake?

My health insurance premiums up 3X in a year!  No chronic anything.  No heart disease. No cancer....

Looking to self-insure, or some variant. Work an off the books deal with my MD.


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 03:40 | 2140905 Dead Canary
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Insurance? Suckers. I have a bad heart. Pace maker and everything. No insurance. Every time I have a heart attack, the emergency room guys fix me up, and away I go. I have to dodge the collections fone calls, but they can't garnish my disability. Ha, ha. I spent my life watching the gooberment suck my paychecks and throw it away on crap. I'm just getting some back. Our system has cancer. Every man for himself.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:15 | 2140078 Beam Me Up Scotty
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There are surely terrorists hiding in every shadow aren't there. Let's give up all of our freedoms while we are at it, so we dont get "blown up"

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:46 | 2139789 bugs_
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the next level is where you rat out yourself

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:54 | 2139810 lolmao500
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That's called Facebook.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:15 | 2139879 lotsoffun
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lolmao500 - thanks.  blankfein is simply waiting for when he can cash out on the facebook ipo.  the poor boy has been taking a beating lately.  yup.  post your 'whole life' on facebook. 

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:23 | 2139911 Timmay
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So true. My family just doesn't get it. My wife says "there is a button she can press that keeps other poeple from viewing her page"........

Yeah, that's what I thought about her too.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:04 | 2140034 Uber Vandal
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If you have ever gone to the results, though often a bit inaccurate, are rather frightening.



Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:44 | 2140157 uno
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first time I heard about it, yes inaccurate and scary, all my old addresses are in there, all the way back to 1986

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:06 | 2140208 HungrySeagull
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Spokeo is one way to understand a person a bit better sometimes even if the results are a bit.... inaccurate as the other posters say.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:43 | 2139920 HungrySeagull
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L. O. L.

This was a reply post to the Facebook being used to rat yourself out.

ZH must be getting rather sloppy on the aging servers being slowly consumed by the Fed Monitoring system LOL.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 00:26 | 2140634 Bringin It
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The Fed Monitoring system LOL as you call it is not hosted on Tyler's box.  Try searching just south of the Mason-Dixon and you'll have better luck.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:47 | 2139982 mtomato2
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Pretty sure this is already "viral," (whatever that means...) but I still get a kick out of watching it.

A kick in the crotch with a frozen boot, that is.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:00 | 2140022 Sabibaby
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I can't believe it took me so long to discover... Man Becomes GOP Frontrunner After Showing No Interest In Government ->,19678/

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:07 | 2140211 juangrande
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Have you read "Being There" by J, Kozinski or seen the movie w/ Peter Sellers?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 10:49 | 2141471 StychoKiller
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I like to watch.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:06 | 2140044 non_anon
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never tried it, never will

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:54 | 2139811 Things that go bump
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You already do that every time you file in April.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:06 | 2140046 non_anon
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not this year

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:07 | 2140210 HungrySeagull
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Neither am I, but *Shrugs, we both file anyway.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:56 | 2139818 IndicaTive
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Just go to the "Wheres my refund?" IRS page, click on the Where's my refund graphic/link and take a look at the warning "Use of this system constitues consent to monitoring, interception, recording, reading, copying or capturing........etc.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:12 | 2139869 duo
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Say the neighborhood bully keeps beating up your kid, and the parents are a-holes.  You drop a dime to 1-800-RAT-FINK, tell the goons that the bully's parents are buying large amounts of nitrate fertilizer, SWAT team appears, problem solved.

Not that I want to give my ex-wife any ideas.....

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:50 | 2139994 mtomato2
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You know what? You're right.  I've been wondering how long it will be before we have people breaking into homes of those they want to "get even" with, get on their computers and email bunches and bunches of "terrorist-y" shit to hundreds of people.

Then they just sit in a car across the street and watch the fun go down.

Don't laugh.  It could happen to you, sir or ma'am.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 23:33 | 2140480 HungrySeagull
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I learned to war drive and watched others do it in my college.

I dont use Wifi at all for that very reason.

Further, the room I am in is actually contain a faraday cage so that nothing much gets out.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 10:52 | 2141480 StychoKiller
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Our wireless router is encrypted for that very reason!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:56 | 2140014 lolmao500
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Back in the Soviet Union, I saw a story where a 16 years old called the KGB on his brother because he wanted his room.

If you think this kind of stuff won't happen in our ``entitled``/money is GOD society, you are kidding yourself.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 23:16 | 2140425 A Lunatic
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If you think this kind of stuff won't happen in our ``entitled``/money is GOD society, you are kidding yourself.


This scenario is my worst fucking nightmare.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:44 | 2140159 ExpendableOne
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Facebook on a phone!  Now that's an excellent way to keep the feds fully informed.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 02:40 | 2140866 e_goldstein
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Isn't that called (by the Catholics) confession?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:47 | 2139793 Kali
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I keep hoping I am having a really bad nightmare and I will wake up soon.  Then I wake up every morning and it's the same old shit.  Shit.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:14 | 2139877 Votewithabullet
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I get this feeling waking up in the klink. "newest unpaid spy"? fucking narcs are somthing new? it has always been thus..HT Plato

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:52 | 2139794 slewie the pi-rat
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dear msNapolitano:  



Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:53 | 2139996 mtomato2
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Good ol' Slewie...

You'll be missed here. 


Hope they let you surf ZH from the Gulag kamp.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:31 | 2140129 slewie the pi-rat
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they already are,   m_to_ma_to_2!

thank you 4 the pistachios!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:56 | 2140356 The Deleuzian
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This is all just scare tactics...A reminder of living in the 'Panopticon'...Even the thought of being watched is more than enough for most...Snitching on your neighbor doesn't work...It just makes a joke out of real law enforcement...A true paranoic society?...A self made prison?...

Don't they have anything better to do?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:49 | 2139798 dick cheneys ghost
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I called the FBI about my bank packaging up toxic mortgages into even more toxic CDO's........they said they would get back to me........

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:06 | 2139850 knukles
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Hah ha ha hahaha ha aha ahaha ahha ah
I called 'em up to rat out that Fed Board Member (what'shisfuckingnameIcan'tremember) who owns a $1,000,000 in GLD.

They asked why I was calling on a disposable phone from the 10:30 ferry berthing at Statten Island.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:52 | 2140000 nmewn
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"They asked why I was calling on a disposable phone from the 10:30 ferry berthing at Statten Island."

They're cool ain't they?

I wonder how many reports of dead boys and live hookers are showing up under the Mayor of Newarks account at DHS ;-)

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:13 | 2139874 duo
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financial crimes are a patriotic act.  Almost a requirement for elected office.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 02:43 | 2140870 e_goldstein
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dude, be honest... no, they didn't.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:58 | 2139829 Cole Younger
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Just thoughs who disagree with the establishment are labled terrorist.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 23:41 | 2140496 Chupacabra-322
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@ erg it's incredible how this Tresonist Federal Government has changed the Narrative from Muslum extremist terrorist to Domestic extreme terrorists.  It's nothing more the a CIA PsyOp.  Plain and simple.  Wonder were they came up with the Stasi concept if the DHS (Dept. of Human Sacrife).  Chilling to say the least.  Read the following:

Ex-Stasi Spy Chief Markus Wolf Hired By Homeland Security?

Political analyst Al Martin, who has in the past proven accurate in getting ahead of the news curve, is reporting that Homeland Security have hired former Stasi head, the 'Silver Fox' Markus Wolf.

Martin states,

"Wolf is the man that effectively built the East German state intelligence operation’s internal directorate," Martin continues. "He turned half the population into informants. That is his specialty, is taking a population, constructing the various state divisions, mechanisms of control, in order to organize informants within the population. That is his real specialty. And that is precisely, as Primakov has intimated, why Wolf is being brought in. The regime knows that once all of Patriot II is in law and they begin working on Patriot III, they will then begin to establish the internal mechanism to coordinate, as an official function of state, a system of informants. Wolf’s speciality was to turn East Germany into the greatest and most efficient informant state ever created."

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 00:16 | 2140610 erg
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The MIAC report is old news now. But worth remembering. They herald the rows of marching soldiers as they march into combat but treat them like garbage when they come back home. VA hospitals, suspicion and recriminations.

Maybe the whole world shouldn't go to work for a day.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:55 | 2139816 Shizzmoney
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God forbid a Muslim Extremist would ever want to buy a house in this country.


He'd probably be robo-signed into a home loan with his profession being a "religious activist".

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:04 | 2139841 duo
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a community organizer in Chicago got a sweet deal a few years back.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:57 | 2139821 lunaticfringe
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People, please don't sleep with the enemy.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:58 | 2139825 Crassus
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Like the original Brown Shirts, there must be a temptation to settle a lot of private scores under the cover of vigilant patriotism.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:29 | 2139928 blu
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The ones who end up being the "enforcers" are the worst cowards in the community. They cannot work except in a mob, need cover of authority, need constant encouragement. Anyone with a brain has other things to occupy them.

If we're at all lucky someone will eventually leak a list of the informants, be they businesses or individuals. The situation on the ground will change very quickly once that happens.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 00:43 | 2140671 Bringin It
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Paid snitch is a lucrative profession in my neighboring Marxist country.  All kinds of scores can be settled.  I think the same thing goes on in Afgahnistan when one side in a feud could call in air strikes on another.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:00 | 2139832 kito
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look on the bright side, with all of this surveillance, so many criminal justice majors will have jobs now!!!!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:08 | 2139855 knukles
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The new BLS category....
IIT security majors.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:04 | 2139838 xcehn
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Many of us unwittingly consent to being spied on whenever we google anything.

Every time you use a regular search engine, your search data is recorded. Major search engines capture your IP address and use tracking cookies to make a record of your search terms, the time of your visit, and the links you choose - then they store that information in a giant database. Those searches reveal a shocking amount of personal information about you, such as your interests, family circumstances, political leanings, medical conditions, and more. This information is modern-day gold for marketers, government officials, hackers and criminals - all of whom would love to get their hands on your private search data. Why should you worry? Major search engines have quietly amassed the largest database of personal information on individuals ever collected. Unfortunately, this data can all too easily fall into the wrong hands. Consider the following story: In August 2006, the online world was jarred when AOL accidentally released three months' worth of aggregated search data from 650,000 of its users, publishing all the details in an online database. That database is still searchable. It is an absolute eye-opener to see the potential for privacy nightmares. —>Enter a query and find who searched for it —>Then click on a "User ID" to find what else this user searched for Shocked? You are not alone. When we search, we share our most private thoughts with our computers. These private thoughts should be safe.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:06 | 2139849 duo
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If you have an Android tablet, note that it never really shuts off, and if it's "asleep", Google Maps will start on it's own and broadcast to GOOG it's GPS position and whatever wireless networks are around.  At least the DHS know how proficient I am at "Angry Birds".

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:28 | 2139921 Temporalist
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Use for web searches. Another SE is (I haven't tried them much but their concept is supposed to be the same).

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:53 | 2140003 Cheesy Bastard
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+1.  Just bookmarked them, and flipped off my cable box and laptop camera for good measure.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:44 | 2140314 HungrySeagull
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Duckduckgo seems to be pretty good.

My security software intercepted facebook for a hijack, I blocked it.




But whoa.... it is something now, the fight is on.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 13:17 | 2142380 IrritableBowels
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Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:04 | 2139846 rsnoble
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Articles like this start making me think nuclear holocaust might not be so bad. Seriously.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:08 | 2139856 Richard Head
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So when will these FinCEN jackoffs investigate Corzine?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:51 | 2139997 rsnoble
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Who? Gee I already forgot who that was? LOL.

Heh Butthead, Let's go get some nachos. Yeah! Yeah! 

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:08 | 2139857 boogerbently
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They use the term "rat-out" for people turning criminals in.

I don't care about the gun issue, but I think people who lie to get unemployment/disability/foodstamps....should ALL be turned in, and sent to prison, where applicable.

The govt. sites (physical OR online) are as impossible to use as MOST govt. agencies. If they could streamline them, we could save BILLION$$ in fraud. How about EMPLOYING more people background checking ALL applicants for OUR tax dollars. How about simply checking the bank accounts of these applicants to see if they MAKE as little as they claim???

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 09:34 | 2141194 my puppy for prez
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How about the feds NOT be in charge of ANY hand out programs.....there...fixed it!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:11 | 2139863 Silberadler
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Reichskristallnacht ?

If the article is really true - then dear American friends:

read some history of Germany beginning 1933...

Deja vu...

I heard the same stories from my Grandparents and parents.

This is some serious shit.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:24 | 2139909 blu
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The experience in Germany and others (communist China under Mao comes to mind) should inform you that there is actually very little anyone can do about these trends. They burn themselves out, and that's the only way around them.

People think they can fight it. This is a very pretty myth. Once the system begins in earnest to eat its own you are better off running or hiding.

It will eventually destroy itself in a brief burst of self-incendiary paranoia. Until then, say out of the way. Afterwards -- well I trust you all will know what to do.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:51 | 2139995 Cheesy Bastard
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Afterwards -- well I trust you all will know what to do

Uh, start a fema camp chess team?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:57 | 2140017 mtomato2
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Cheese!!!  You changed you avatar!  And you're HERE!

Missed you, ol' bud.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:06 | 2140048 Cheesy Bastard
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Thanks!  Good to talk to you again, m! Wish I had more time to spend here.  Had to spray paint a Giants symbol over the cheese to avoid confusion with Green Bay during the playoffs.  It's probably ok to go back to the old avatar now...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 02:35 | 2140859 BorisTheBlade
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It will eventually destroy itself in a brief burst of self-incendiary paranoia. Until then, say out of the way. Afterwards -- well I trust you all will know what to do.

Just like with markets that can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent, a system like that can be eating itself from within for a very long time. North Korea comes to mind. And make no mistake, the system will start eating itself from within only after it ate, guess who: YOU!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:32 | 2139870 bankonzhongguo
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You make ANY post or search on any website and its now part of your "permanent record."

Facebook, yahoo, Google, new york times, CNN, your local newspaper blog, zero hedge.

Remember.  All of this nonsense is because some corporate slag and their industry lobbyists figured there is a profit in drones in the sky, Facebook "man in the middle attack" business models, cameras (soon to be talking) on every street corner, etc.

Every "terrorist" caught by the powers over us has been a federal plant, protected informant, intel false flag or mental defective.  Joe Six Pack, despite the best efforts of the Southern Poverty Law Center, is not and will never be a "terrorist."  He'll be the first one to find and call out injustice after fighting and dying in far-away lands for nothing, after being foreclosed on, after being unemployed, after being charged usurious health care costs, after electing countless unaccountable officials, after watching their children's schools become a combination of baby sitters and prisons.  Sure there are jerks and crazoids everywhere, but we are not a nation of terrorists, which the prior two administrations are so bent on creating and the recent FBI hit piece states.

Start with critically analyzing the whole "underwear bomber" caper and see how that was used to inflict the entire TSA kabuki theater on us.  Radiation or molestation.  That is your children's future.

We are somehow paying for our own imprisonment, yet if you have an opinion about you will be put on A LIST.  Thanks Holder/FBI.  Now lets talk Fast and Furious.  Let's talk Justice.

There is now not much difference between living and working in China and Amerika.




Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:32 | 2139939 Temporalist
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Bank you are incorrect. First off if you look above you will see that I mention and for starters. Also you can use TOR which connects you with a hidden IP address.

You are not far from the truth if you are not protecting yourself however I just want to inform people that there are proactive measures one can take.  Not using Apple products for everything and credit cards for every purchase and facebook to tell people about your fetishes are some other things one can do to protect their privacy from marketing agencies and any other entity interested in creating a profile of you.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:37 | 2140147 freedogger
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Tor, paying in cash, using a linux distro etc are unfortunately a quicker way to get on these lists.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 14:09 | 2142723 unnamed enemy
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any activity can get you on a list - the facebook and credit card list is much longer. tor and cash only on the other hand are very short - so they will probably get to those first.



Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:17 | 2139888 blu
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Someone needs to submit a SAR against the US government. They been acting mighty suspicious of late.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:18 | 2139893 Stoploss
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So, the spies are going to tell on the gun owners huh. Do the spies have guns too?? Because if not, one would think it would take a little more than a grand to turn your gun toting neighbor in.  Seeing how the spy would be ventilated most likely before the "secret" case comes to light. This will be interesting to watch. I guess we should get used to the term spydered. 


'Cause dats wha happen to 'da spy.  He get spydered.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:28 | 2139924 Payne
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They do not have enough time or computer power to take in every possible piece information and make sense of it.  

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:47 | 2139980 bankonzhongguo
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That is true as represented by every evolved police state in the 20th century.

The problem is fear - the mind killer.

When the state can make a case against anyone for anything; taxes, speech, assembly, writing to your congressman, fending off VIPR and TSA goons, jaywalking, spanking your kids, spitting on the sidewalk - all that is needed is your you or someone in your family to have one "run-in" and it can get escalated because someone has a twitter feed from your cell phone.

Its not computers.  Its people.

And we are entering an era where young people have no recollection of how things were before 9/11.  Scary.

You take that method of government doing business and you have North Korea.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:47 | 2140318 HungrySeagull
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It's true there is a new generation growing up after 9-11. To them Facebook, Student loans etc has been all they knew.

It will make for some VERY interesting converstations, especally after I grew up in a 1920's home that had coal deliveries before oil in our bunkers down below in the basement.

That house is still there.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 00:11 | 2140585 Cathartes Aura
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Its not computers.  Its people.

know this.  believe this.

when you factor in the "young people have no recollection of how things were before 911" and how they've been raised with gadgetry that involves every waking moment with personal trivia - know that the trival will preoccupy them, and personal infighting, bitching, competition for attention, snitching, scores to settle over interpersonal relationships - all of this will consume their minds, the moments of their days, and petty revenges for petty recognition / rewards will be the rule.

great posts bankonzhongguo.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 02:20 | 2140841 ceilidh_trail
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ABC did a story today celebrating Napolitano announcing good news! Now we can submit to fingerprinting and a background investigation and paying 100 bucks for the privilage of not having to negotiate the pat downs/xray scans every time we fly! DHS realizes that we think flying sucks and they want to make it more pleasant for us. All we have to do is submit to being fingerprinted/investigated ahead of time...They will know where and when and where we go and we allow it! We the normal people are now the suspects and we damn well better learn our places... The conditioning has been well played by the .gov and it's media lackeys.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 09:21 | 2141146 my puppy for prez
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Truly disturbing!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:29 | 2139926 junkyardjack
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Please that will never work, the streets is real shun.  Don't nobody respect a snitch

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:43 | 2139970 Central Bankster
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Dats Rassist

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:34 | 2139929 xela2200
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"What’s more, these so-called “SARs” must remain top-secret. It’s a crime for your banker to inform you that you were the subject of a suspicious activity report."

I guess the laws have changed since the 90s. I used to work as a bartender. Once I went to my bank to deposit my tips (About $500). The teller felt that I was suspicious individual, and she started to fill out a suspicious report right in front of me. She asked for social security and what not. When I complained to the bank manager, he sided with her of course, and they continued to finished the paper work right in front of me. I just closed my account instantly and went to another bank. It was a bit insulting because they were really calling me a drug dealer. Lucky for them that they were not dealing with a nervous drug dealer that could have pull a gun.

NOTHING scares me more than a well intentioned bureaucrat.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:08 | 2140213 pods
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Well technically you were a drug dealer, just a drug that is on their approved list.


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:32 | 2143381 xela2200
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Good point.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 23:28 | 2140455 ebworthen
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Tips for working hard?

You might not pay all your taxes on that now, eh? 

Very suspicious person indeed.

Hit the buzzer and make sure the cameras are recording! deposit for $100,000 from some Cayman Island bank in the name of "Mitt Romney" would be met with no question...but $500 CA$H?

My God Man, what DO you do for a living?

I think I hear some of that "Rock and Roll" music coming from your earbuds... looks a little long too...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:39 | 2143402 xela2200
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I wish it was so, but actually transferring money through the system is worst.

I sold a house a few years ago, and the the transfer got intercepted and frozen by the FED. The title company had to call the FED to provide a reason for the transfer. Apparently, if you are unlucky enough to have a name that sounds like somebody in their black list, it will get frozen. The funny thing is that the buyers were a couple of teachers buying their first home, and it got picked up only because the last name was close to someone elses.


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 02:14 | 2140833 brettd
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Look up the word "martinette."

Can easily be applied to govt and corporate lackeys alike.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:29 | 2139930 The Watchman
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What's everyone so worried about? I'm sure this is all in our best interest. I'm sure our founding fathers would have chosen our safety over liberty right? For those of us without the ability to assure our own safety, this is surely our best course of action is it not?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:30 | 2139934 HungrySeagull
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Spy vs Spy, who me worry?!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:35 | 2139947 Temporalist
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I always get a bad rap here.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:33 | 2139941 blu
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I can see overwhelming this system really easily with bogus reports. Like reporting suspicious activity of people recently dead.

Not saying I advocate this. Oh no. But someone might think of doing it somewhere along the line.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:39 | 2139958 Temporalist
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That is what it will come to one day; everyone will be a criminal and therefore none will be.  People will become desensitized to it and laugh at the totally inane nonsensical claptrap that the ptb believe are necessary.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:57 | 2140015 Cheesy Bastard
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There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws ... pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers. Ayn Rand

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:02 | 2140030 mtomato2
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God Bless You, Cheese.  I pull that quote out and fling it about every possible chance I get.

Easily the most striking and profound passage of the entire book.

We. Are. There.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 21:12 | 2140066 Cheesy Bastard
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I will take ALL the blessings I can get, and back at ya!  We're gonna need 'em, too.  Eyes everywhere ya know!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 02:25 | 2140845 ceilidh_trail
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Sounds like my local zoning code. You are responsible for knowing it. They have no obligation to publicise it. Never mind most of it is an infringement of property rights to begin with...

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:37 | 2139948 bob_dabolina
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MF Global. 

Saw something, Said something, Something happened, Government did NOTHING. 

Make sure you pay your taxes :)

-This friendly government message was brought to you by Obama campaign donators (and advisors)

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:36 | 2139951 alien-IQ
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Can I report GE for tax evasion? 30% of what they failed to pay could be a pretty nice payday huh? Drinks, for all my friends!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:53 | 2140004 xela2200
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You can report anybody for tax evasion. Actually, the IRS has a number posted in their site. You have to dig a little, but it is there. Most non-franchised restaurants as well as other cash businesses don't report all of the income, so I am sure anybody can make a descent living (30%) just rating on them at random.

A friend of mine that came from Cuba told me that the success of the regime was that they set up a system of citizen snitches. Even children in schools are told to tell on their parents if they say anything against the regime. He also said that if you don't like somebody just tell the government a lie about them to get them in trouble.

In a system like that nobody wants to talk to others about how they really feel. One never knows who to trust. That is why Facebook was so effective for the Arab spring because it provided anonymity. Also, that is why the US government wants to gain control over the internet to isolate each of us.

The brain is a muscle. The more you use it, the stronger it gets.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 22:09 | 2140217 Babushka
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Support all above exept last bit - The brain is a muscle. The more you use it, the stronger it gets...

I would like to refrase... the head is a muscle and the stronger you hit it against the wall the harder it gets

Fixed it!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:32 | 2143377 xela2200
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Thu, 02/09/2012 - 08:27 | 2141009 Ace Ventura
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You could, but that would be like reporting Chairman Mao to the Peoples Liberation Army. Would most likely generate a visit to YOUR house.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:37 | 2139953 disabledvet
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clearly old Georgie boy failed to see the entertainment value in it all! THINK OF THE RATINGS! The government??!! hahahahaha! that's the least of our worries!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:40 | 2139963 Red Heeler
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The Lives of Others comes to America.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 20:41 | 2139966 Lady Heather...UNCLE
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as Rage against the machine lyrically averred..."what!? ,the land of the free?  : whoever told you that is your enemy!

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