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Guest Post: Judge Katherine Forrest Is A Modern American Hero

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Judge Katherine Forrest is a Modern American Hero

Sometimes, the greatest deeds are done by those who are just doing their jobs, like Judge Katherine Forrest who last week struck down the indefinite detention provision (§1021) of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

It would be all too easy in this age of ever-encroaching authoritarianism in America for a judge ruling on a matter like this to just go with the government line and throw water over the plaintiffs. After all, telling truth to power has consequences. Forrest was appointed by Obama, but after this ruling one wonders whether she is about to meet a career dead-end. Power — especially narcissistic power — does not like being told uncomfortable truths.

Everything about this case is shameful; it should be obvious to anyone who can read the Constitution that indefinite detention without trial (just like assassination without trial — something else that Obama and his goons have no problem practicing and defending) is hideously and cruelly unconstitutional. It defecates upon both the words and the spirit of the document.

It is directly and completely in contravention to the Fifth Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

It is shameful that this law was proposed, it is shameful that any legislator would vote for it, and it is shameful that the President would sign it into law, albeit with a flimsy signing-statement claiming that he would not use the indefinite detention provision against American citizens.

More shameful still is the fact that when this challenge was brought that the Obama administration tried to dismiss it on a technicality — they tried to make the case that because none of the plaintiffs were to be indefinitely detained that they could not challenge the law. Judge Forrest’s investigation of this claim was revealing. Naomi Wolf notes:

Forrest asked repeatedly, in a variety of different ways, for the government attorneys to give her some assurance that the wording of section 1021 could not be used to arrest and detain people like the plaintiffs. Finally she asked for assurance that it could not be used to sweep up a hypothetical peaceful best-selling nonfiction writer who had written a hypothetical book criticizing US foreign policy, along lines that the Taliban might agree with. Again and again the two lawyers said directly that they could not, or would not, give her those assurances. In other words, this back-and-forth confirmed what people such as Glenn Greenwald, the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, the ACLU and others have been shouting about since January: the section was knowingly written in order to give the president these powers; and his lawyers were sent into that courtroom precisely to defeat the effort to challenge them. Forrest concluded: ”At the hearing on this motion, the government was unwilling or unable to state that these plaintiffs would not be subject to indefinite detention under [section] 1021. Plaintiffs are therefore at risk of detention, of losing their liberty, potentially for many years.

Very simply, it is now obvious that the NDAA was written not to deal with terrorists or potential terrorists. After all, if the government has evidence that an individual or group is planning to commit a terrorist attack then they do not need an indefinite detention provision; all they need is to arrest such individuals and prove beyond reasonable doubt before a jury of their peers that a crime has been committed. That is how justice works — if the evidence exists you can bring a successful prosecution. After all if they do not have the evidence to prove that a group or individual was planning to commit an act of terrorism then they have no business arresting them or charging them with any offense. Suspects — lest we forget — are innocent until proven guilty.

These new powers have nothing to with combatting terrorism. If the government has no evidence that can stand up in a court of law it has no business detaining anyone. No, this new power grab has an entirely different target — like the plaintiffs in this case: writers, investigative journalists, bloggers, philosophers, dissidents, human rights activists, libertarians, free-thinkers, tax protestors, critics of fractional-reserve banking, whistleblowers — people like Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, Jennifer Bolen, and Birgitta Jonsdottir. People like Congressman Justin Amash and Congressman Adam Smith who tried to amend indefinite detention out of the bill. People like me — and to some degree, if you are reading this, people like you. 

The fact that the Obama administration could not give assurances about those who simply criticise U.S. foreign policy indicates very strongly that this power grab is about shutting-up and frightening critics of the U.S. government and the Obama administration.

But — for now —  §1021 of the NDAA, that implement of fascism, has been struck down and thrown out as “facially unconstitutional” as well as having a “chilling impact on First Amendment rights”.

We should thankful for this brave judge’s actions, and for the plaintiffs actions in standing up to tyranny, and vigilant against future incursions.

On the other hand, every politician involved in writing, legislating and authorising this hideous unconstitutional law should be reminded of the words of the Declaration of Independence — it is the right of the people to alter or abolish any government that becomes destructive to liberty.


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Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:32 | 2445309 AUELOX
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Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:51 | 2445352 Colombian Gringo
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She will be deposed by the Obamanoids, who hate us for what is left of our freedoms.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:55 | 2445360 Gully Foyle
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Colombian Gringo

Oh please, you can't single out a single group of politicians.

They all support some compromise and erosion of rights at some point.

Where the fuck are the legalized drugs, except the  BIGPARMA crap?

Where the fuck is the right to die?

Those are two basic points that revolve the right of the individual to do what they want with their own body.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:28 | 2445442 Colombian Gringo
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You are right. The Republicriminals will take away what is left.   The entire left/right system is a big fraud, a circus designed to sucker us into thinking we have choice.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:01 | 2445506 SilverIsKing
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I have a crush on Katherine Forrest.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:00 | 2445640 macholatte
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Good one, Mr. Aziz.


Unfortunately you cannot lay the blame for the NDAA onto just Barry and his cronies. You need to look at the Gang of 535 to find the weasels and rats and snakes. Here are the names of the traitors who swore to “uphold, protect and defend the Constitution”:


 HR 1540 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 - Voting Record


U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 112th Congress - 1st Session


Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:10 | 2445654 Aziz
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" it is shameful that any legislator would vote for it"

I think it's disgusting Barry and his goons are defending it, but like you I'm more disgusted at the people who proposed it and voted for it. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 22:54 | 2446316 hedgehog9999
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Sun, 05/20/2012 - 23:40 | 2446380 DaveyJones
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been out for the weekend

I posted a link to the story back on 5/17. Was also spooked by the government's unwillingness to assure the court that the act would not be applied to mere journalism. Scary stuff. Let's see what happens up the chain.

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 01:31 | 2446533 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Yes this has been a bi-partisan effort but it is shocking how much Obomba and the Dems are gunning for it. You know this is what the Republicans have wanted for a long time (Cheney was the master) but now even the so-called "Left" is getting in on the act. I recall when we used to denounce the Soviets and the East Germans for spying on their own people and detaining them without charges...

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 04:41 | 2446646 Dre4dwolf
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You don't have a choice when all the choices are chosen by the same person.


Heads I win, Tails you lose.


Choose which side the coin lands on.


The only way to win or choose int his world is to full on tilt the table steal the coin and punch the mofo in the face for being an asshole.


Violence is just nature balancing out the universe when too many assholes are born.



Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:52 | 2445494 Oh regional Indian
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The right to die should be as fundamental as the right to live. Great point Gully.


Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:04 | 2446119 WallowaMountainMan
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Oh please, you can't single out a single group of politicians.

for sure, but the math says you go after the 1% regardless as to their 'etc'.

wealth distribution reflex the general well-being of the people.

charted, it gives people a tool by which to examine their state of affairs.

the tool works at scale.


Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:56 | 2445361 Poetic injustice
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No worries, next TSA full cavity search will remind you of your freedoms.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:29 | 2445444 Kayman
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So when does Sheriff Barry indefinitely detain this judge ?  For her own good, of course.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 22:03 | 2446211 WillyGroper
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I see a horrific accident on the horizon.

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 04:17 | 2446630 BorisTheBlade
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It's all for your own security, having an undisturbed anus is one of the unauthorized freedoms.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:01 | 2445379 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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The NDAA has been blown so far out of proportion on Zero Hedge merely due to ideology. Few have stopped to consider who they would turn to in a domestic terror attack. Would YOU want spineless government officials who have to take out a rule book when interrogating someone seeking to blow up your community?! Or would you like them to be able to get straight to business, to not simply release them back into YOUR community to kill, maim, murder, and fondle young girls.

We are in this together. And we need power to act. The idea that this will be used on people with differing opinions is ridiculous, a form of mental illness - this will be used against OUR enemies. And we can all help by being on the lookout, whether that be on the internet, in the workplace, or at home...

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:06 | 2445393 Poetic injustice
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"Or would you like them to be able to get straight to business, to not simply release them back into YOUR community to kill, maim, murder, and fondle young girls."

This phrase was about law enforcement structures, right?

About everything else - you really are fan of waterboarding and detention of anybody who is disliked by government.
And if you read this site - prboably you are on waterboarding list too. Maybe not tomorrow, but I have no illusions that witchhunt will be done. Just remember "commie cleansing".

And yes, I did put -1 to your rant.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:02 | 2445509 ConstantineK
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Well said. The problem with people like him is that they think they are patriots.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:50 | 2445710 Bananamerican
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you meant "parrots" right?

sometimes ZH just needs a negative 1000 button for such bedwetting orwellian sheep

...unless this guy is pulling a MDB

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 07:41 | 2446852 ATM
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But the government is going to keep us safe.......aren't they?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:40 | 2445702 DarkestPhoenix
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It's not waterboarding if you use gasoline.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:19 | 2445954 FeralSerf
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He's not on the waterboarding list.   He's a government paid troll -- your taxes at work.  There's lots of them now watching the blogs.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:18 | 2445408 TomGa
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The NDAA IS a domestic terror attack.  It has already terrorized more people than Al Qaeda ever possibly could .

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 18:07 | 2445859 Oracle of Kypseli
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First it was fascism (Hitler) then it was communism (USSR) now is terrorism. There should always be a boogie man fot the war merchants and manipuative governments.

What we realy need is more education of who controls the governments.

First lesson, take your cash out of the big banks, buy gold and silver and live within your means.

Think about how powerful this is: If even a small % of the people did that, TPTB will get the message. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:21 | 2445958 mick_richfield
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And start growing more of your own food.

The meaning of the NDAA is that our reptilian overlords are becoming desperate.  The wheels are coming off and they don't know why.  Before they lose it all, they will do absolutely anything.

I was surprised when they blew up MFG.  I shouldn't have been!  Of course there are no limits to what they will do.

They will not only have their minions pass 'laws' like NDAA -- they will not only kick the playing table over like MFG.

If they think that killing a few billion of you will help, they will only hesitate for as long as it takes to push the button.

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 07:44 | 2446855 ATM
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It will be for our own good or at least that's how their arrogant fucked up logic works. They know best and if we need to die to save the world we will, in droves.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:18 | 2445412 Libertarian777
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aah yes... the old 'there are scary terrorists out there so give us complete power to protect you' argument.

So if there are scary drug cartels too why do we arm them?

If there are scary terrorists, why does the FBI supply them with (albeit fake) bombs and assist in planning the attack?

If there are so many terrorists why do more people die in swimming pools than at the hands of terrorists each year?

It's not just the NDAA being blown out of proportion, its the NDAA, FISA, CISPA, SOPA, TSA, DHS, surveillance drones, NSA data center etc. etc. You're only part of the tin foil brigade if you believe in something that isn't real. If you deny what is before your eyes then YOU are part of the tinfoil brigade.

The government CANNOT protect you against everything. If the government must supply you with everything, including your security and your freedom, that same government using those same powers can TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY. And please spare me the 'bureaucrats know best' argument. They don't. Human Action is where its at.

When the insane run the asylum, the sane sound mad.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:28 | 2445440 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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What an insult your post is to our brave service men and women who served in Iraq and Afghanistan so ungrateful people like you can continue to enjoy your freedoms. I would like to see the NDAA go further and prosecute this kind of homegrown domestic terrorism that you are a proponent of - criminally attacking our brave service men and women. You, sir, should be ashamed. You don't deserve to be a citizen of this great country founded on freedom and liberty.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:35 | 2445457 Joe Sixpack
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Wow. You hop from worn cliche to worn cliche faster than a hungry fly hops from feces to feces.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:41 | 2445467 inzider84
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HAha, i get it. Thought you were for real at first. But the double standards overwhelm this post, so i called your trolling.


Good humor, sir.


Freedom and liberty!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:42 | 2445472 Convolved Man
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All soccer players play football.

Not all football players play soccer.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:47 | 2445486 foxenburg
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"Would YOU want spineless government officials who have to take out a rule book when interrogating someone seeking to blow up your community?"


Presumably you'd have SOME evidence that they were seeking to blow up a community?? Let's charge them, present the evidence...and if the jury buys it, lock them up! As an aside, I am in favour of there being some sort of rule book when being interrogated by cops.

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 07:51 | 2446862 ATM
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But if you charge them then you have to produce the evidence and apparently our government doesn't like to do that when it comes to "terrorism".

What's the excuse they use?? Oh yeah, national secrets. If they produce the evidence it means the terrorists will know how we got the evidence. That's a cool little scam. Sort of like saying that the mob evidence that was gathered couldn't be displayed ina  court of law because the rest of the mob would know how it was obtained, only back then they wanted the mob to know because it scared the hell out of them. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:07 | 2445517 AustriAnnie
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Then why is it that most brave service men and women are against the NDAA?

Because they didn't fight for freedom and watch their friends get body parts blown off, and watch innocent civilians get bombs dropped on them, just so that they could come home to a police state.

The veterans in this country fought for America and the concept of individual liberty.  They did not fight for politicians' right to power over American citizens.  Defending individual freedom is not achieved by eliminating one-by-one all the individual rights which make up that very same freedom you pretend to protect.  

I DARE YOU to walk into a room full of veterans and read your post aloud.  I dare you to suggest to those men and women that they lost years of their lives, were injured and maimed, lost dear friends, and watched innocent civiilians die, just so they could come home and see their sons and daughters detained for exercising the very rights they fought to protect.

I can only hope you posted in sarc/.  If not, then I hope you are the first one they lock up.  Detention would suit you well, since you fear liberty and wish only for authoritarian rule over your life.  

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:02 | 2445926 SgtShaftoe
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I give you a big roger that. I've had enough friends get blown up over there. I was an officer in the army, and remember my oath. Every time I hear one of these no-nothing fools spout off, I have a sudden urge to beat the shit out of them.

To all the know nothing's like our one above:

Torture doesn't work. Read "the interrogator". A book by the most successful interrogators the Germans had during WWII. Never mind that top agents in CIA also agree.

Also go read "the black swan of Cairo" and "blowback". If you want a fucking war, go send your own happy ass over there to get fucking killed, and leave my people in peace.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:08 | 2445523 ConstantineK
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Psycho...what an appropriate nickname.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:10 | 2445533 General Decline
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...and how did our brave men and women serving in Afghanistan and Iraq secure any freedoms for us? If anything, we have less fredoms now than we did prior to those wars. I'm confused. Please explain.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:18 | 2445554 ConstantineK
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Did you make it to the 8th grade pal?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:45 | 2445608 oldman
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You know what, dude?

Anyone who died for this country did it for their own reason and that was their CHOICE, dude. We have a mercenary military, not a voluntary force saving the nation from?????????????

They get paid to take a chance to die and they sign up without any patriotism-----money, baby---and promises.

I get very tired of the defense of and the spending on your fucking glorified war-mongering assholes. You want to fight--to kick ass---- to save the country---for personal pleasure? I'll send you the weapon of your choice and a round trip ticket to whichever war you choose---just to get you out of serious people's faces    

I was born in the US of A, so I am a citizen---and not by choice--and I am not ashamed            om   

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:05 | 2445935 SgtShaftoe
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It's not always a choice.


Economic forced enlistment

Mandatory enlistment contracts (wanna be a felon deserter?)

Stop-loss. (That's a bitch)

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:52 | 2446015 DosZap
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It's not always a choice.

Sure it have a brain, YOU decide.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 23:36 | 2446378 SgtShaftoe
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It's much harder for front line soldiers to not go to war, than officer based on consequences.. To desert makes one unemployable, and potentially and very realistically imprisoned. It's the officer core and NCOs that need to stand up and leave. I resigned in protest of the Iraq war. So did many of my peers and superiors.

Some kids that have nowhere to turn have a rigged game, they live, they get a paycheck, they die, their family gets a paycheck, and they feel like they're a part of something...gang mentality. It's totally fucked. The system has to fail!!!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 23:41 | 2446388 oldman
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hey Sarge,

That it is not always a choice is the only way the MIC could continue their shit. We cut out the draft to reduce the crimnalization of our young people into assassins and curtail the military adventures of the psychos.

But then, they begin to empty the prisons and recruit foreign nationals to take up our killing. Sort like North's accusation in '82, I think, that we wouldn't give the administration the funding for the Central American/Drug cartel/domino effect/war, so we had to do a enough business to fund it ourselves.

And Silence-----------------------------------------------------

No one said a word except a few wackos like Hunter S Thompson and myself

Silence--------------------------------------------------------and during that silence from '82 to '84, I realized that my country was dead-----------------------no one said a word in protest---------------it was as if no one had watched the Congressional hearings on TV when that was all we saw--------and North, I had to respect as a man who told it like it was--------------------and silence----------------------------------not a word

It took me ten years, but finally, on the evening of July Fourth 1994-----I left my poor dead country-----flew out of LAX through a barrage of fireworks----it was very exciting----and I was free

Excuse the digression---I lose it a lot these days

Anyway, the circumvention of intention of the citizenry is more than common

maybe it's in the air---or the food chain---or the water---or the tv, cellphone,laptop,music---but always the 'other' the one that made me do it------Oh, shit---I don't go on with this shit

Thanks for your comment--I truly appreciate straightness, sgtshaftoe                    om


Mon, 05/21/2012 - 02:02 | 2446553 SgtShaftoe
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Well said. I don't know what to think anymore. Anyone above o-5 is a fucking politician anymore. There is no respect for human life anymore in command. It's all incentives to get their next rank. The guys at the bottom get screwed. That's been the rule over history from the bonus army and after pretty much every major war. After the music stops, I expect to see fireworks. It's a very sad situation.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:02 | 2445748 goldfish1
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You don't deserve to be a citizen of this great country founded on freedom and liberty. You want fascism.

a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 23:44 | 2446393 DaveyJones
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if you say so   

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2445420 Race Car Driver
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> "Would YOU want spineless government officials who have to take out a rule book when interrogating someone... [blah, blah, blah...]"

Ahhh - shaddap with this 'Save me Underdog!' Polly Purebred bullshit and grow a set of balls.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:20 | 2445423 Rusticus
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"Few have stopped to consider who they would turn to in a domestic terror attack."

Indeed, I would turn to my government when considering who the perpetrators were. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:33 | 2445986 StychoKiller
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And if the Government is the perpretrator, what then?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2445425 dougngen
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If it will be used aginst our enemies then fine... lets have them lock YOU UP!!!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:33 | 2445452 Jason Bourne
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To theMAILLOPEXpsycho (nice name loser)

Hey Fuck you asshole,

Its exactly your type of thinking that fucks everybody.
We need to keep our laws the way they are and if somebody is "planning to blow up our city, or anything signicant - then we BREAK our own fucking law Jack Bauer style.

We DO NOT change our laws so that authority has the freedom to do what they want. Can't you fucking see that?

I bet you are the same fucking compliant airhead who explains away at the airport "this is being done for our safety and I'm willing to inconvienced a littel bit in order to be safer". Total fucking bullshit.

Fuck you with your scare mongering. The government is the one you should be most afraid of. Can you not see 5 fucking feet in front of yourself?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:46 | 2445482 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Laughable, so your suggesting increasing the amount of red tape our government officials already have to deal with?? Dealing with terrorism can't be done by someone continually fearful of outdated and discredited constitutionalists ever eager to litigate against the very people upholding their freedoms.

I come across exactly the same problem in my job regulating small businesses for the government. Every day I see small business owners who have little or no collective social responsibility, yet I'm continually faced with red tape and paper work before I can bring them to justice - for example a professional mechanic fixes the engine of his neighbors car; his neighbor is a chef and cooks him a meal. THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIETY - people who refuse to go through the proper channels.

Anyway, if you want to continually spit on the 9/11 victims graves with your idealistic garbage, I don't think you deserve my time of day!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:52 | 2445492 Aziz
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John Boehner is that you?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:46 | 2446174 Things that go bump
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No, its Cheney.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:56 | 2446195 nmewn
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I was thinkin Wasser-Schultzie...Cheney isn't that incoherent even drunk.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 23:48 | 2446395 DaveyJones
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verbally yes, ballistically no

and MAX, getting the truth out on 911 is the only way to honor the victims 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:06 | 2445519 Kayman
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 "for example a professional mechanic fixes the engine of his neighbors car; his neighbor is a chef and cooks him a meal."

You are a fucking comedian !

Ya better learn Mechanics, cuz Gubmint Employees are soon to go hungry. 

Another parasite sucking private sector productivity dry, through "Proper Channels"

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:09 | 2445524 jpmrwb
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I called Obama and told him to pick you up and throw away the key. If you ever get out let us all know if you changed your mind. As for disparaging the military. I am a veteran and the reason were told to go and kill is to defend the constitution of the US. Isn't the 5th admendment part of that? You sound like you would have fit in with Stalin Russia and Hitler Germany.  So I hope your collective social responsibilty keeps you off the streets and keep on taking the meds.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:17 | 2445950 oldman
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is it still true that:   "------the reason were told to go and kill is to defend the constitution of the US."

If so, I need to retract some words and apologize to those who enlist for this reason which I do to those in the military for this reason. I had assumed that this was no longer valid-----and my comments regarding the 'military assholes' is certainly not directed towards them.

Thank you for making this point because I was under the impression that all were dogs of war         om

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:35 | 2445989 StychoKiller
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Hey, if you see something, SAY something! :>D

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:49 | 2446182 Things that go bump
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I'm sorry that what they told you was a lie.  

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:09 | 2445528 logically possible
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GWB, Cheney, Rice, tell us your real name.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:17 | 2445550 AustriAnnie
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Thank GAWD.  Your posts are sarc/

Well done. I'll admit, you had me riled.  I was about ready to call Homeland Security and tell them that you were a terrorist, just to let you feel your much-loved "security" by means of your door getting broken down in the middle of the night, a cold hard barrel shoved into the back of your neck while you wait, face squashed against the ground, to be read your rights, then realize you don't have any.

But I'll save that for another troll.  

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:23 | 2445567 Jason Bourne
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I understand your frustration dealing with those businesses that have no sense of social responsibilty at all. They slowly fuck the system until the country is fully fucked and that is exactly where we are heading.

But your solution - to give government power to execute solutions without full regard for the constitution is not the answer. It had a chance of being answer many years ago when we were a little more innocent.

People used to give a shit about their neighbors/fellow citizens and country - not they don't because the pricks that are in leadership sold themselves to the highest bidder. We've taken an excellent political/economic model and completely fucked it up. Wall Street and Washington are perfect examples of how fucked up and self centered we have become.

Formerly "honest" business people like me are now taking every single opportunity to game the system because we have lost faith in the system - totally and completely.

How do you expect people living in a moral hazard corrupt and bribed (read as lobbied) evironment to "do the socially right thing". Not fucking happening. It is the fault of the bankers and the government that they own that we are in this position. Until our system experiences and major major reset - there is no fix, and I can tell you until that happens (if it ever does) there is no fucking way I'm going to be in favor of and fucking law change that intereferes or circumvents my constitutional rights by going around the constitution.

Fuck that. That is not going to happen on my watch. People like you in your (legitimate but frustated search) for solutions agree with the changes that have been proposed - I get it - but you are totally fucking wrong.

The USA needs a leadership enema. Until it gets one we will continue to suffer the way we are and its going to get worse.

Our President Obama - the fucking liar. I actually cried, with joy when he was appointed President and made his inagural speech. I actually beileved him. Shame on me He promised change. He fucking LIED. Straight up lied! He appointed the same pricks that crashed our system to advice him and to try and fix it. The same fucking assholes. Un-fucking- believable!

Shut down the POW camp in Cuba - how about introduce legislation with allows for indefinate prison terms. How about legistlation that allows for the President to order assasinations of citizens. Read about that shit, because that is the road we are going down.

By the way I think both of the above are acceptable if they done with absolute certainty - should they be law - NO FUCKING WAY!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:41 | 2445826 GhostfaceCracka
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Dude how many more times are you going to pen these long screeds against him until you figure out that he's trolling you?

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 00:30 | 2446460 Things that go bump
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I changed jobs recently and was required to attend a 4 hour HIPPA refresher.  They changed the HIPPA regulations and now require us to report an institution or person to them if they are not following the rules properly.  The penalties are simply draconian.  And did you know that you now have to present a photo ID to receive any medical care or perscription to guard against someone presenting themselves as someone else? They used to just copy the health insurance card.  The claim is that many people are using health insurance cards that they are not actually entited to, apparently. The health care provider is required to retain a copy of it for their records. The government is subsidizing physicians to assist in instituting digital medical records to the tune of $65,000.  The thought of any actual privacy is simply ludicrous.  

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:54 | 2445628 oldman
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A fucking government regulator????

What are you doing here, you brain-dead bitch?

Are you really georgie bushie in disguise?

Too bad this is not really Fight Club----you test even this oldman---I'd like a go at you       om

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:11 | 2445659 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Tough guys work for the government for social justice; cowards work in the dog eat dog free market...

Bring it on pops

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:48 | 2445717 oldman
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@lil' maxi

U R A maz ING

And its Granpops, asshole

But I know who I'm talking to so I'll walk on on your side of the street just so you don't miss me or anyone of the other thousands like me----you are the 1% dog, dude-----ruf, rif, ruf        thanks for showing your colors   om

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:21 | 2446142 El Oregonian
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It's EQUAL justice, dumbass...

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:40 | 2445701 Cadavre
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"Anyway, if you want to continually spit on the 9/11 victims graves with your idealistic garbage'

Lest we forget, the guy they alleged to have committed  911 was determined to be "un-indite-able" by the FBI. After the faux Ben is taken out (murdered) the alleged hit squad seal team 666 perished when they bravely endured an attack on an US occupation gunship/helicopter (first rule of a false flag assassination - kill the assassins). We don't know what alleged Ben "actor" was taken out (number 4 or 5 in a series of Emanuel Goldstein's by  another name by most counts)

There is no proof or constitutionally valid finding of fact that "proves" the 9-11 conspiracy as narrated by the Bush and Obama administration fabrications. It's all hearsay. A hearsay that has eaten Trillions of US treasure. A new pearl harbor ponzi that has killed millions. That all it be.

Back to the Ben - After a 30 minute DNA analysis by a DNA sequencing kiosk in some Pakistani Wal Mart parking lot, the body of whatever Bin that was was dumped at sea - like a Naval War Time Hero's Burial (he did work for the CIA). It all makes better sense when we consider the ship the Bin #? carcass was claimed to have been dumped off was the USS Vincennes, the same ship that killed 300 Iranians when it shot down an Iranian commercial flight, was, according to military observers, the USS Vincennes was an out of control asset humping around the Persian Gulf like an ass wipe on steroids.

US shoots down Iranian Plane with 300 aboard. But the USS Stark, an Aegis Class asset with it's billions in hardware, was defenseless against an alleged accidental exocet fired by then ally Iraq. (ya know why Saddam is gone - cause he knew about the false flag attempt to blame Iran for that little turd of fubar).

Nobody in DoD or CIA or FBI was fired for malfeasance or dereliction of duty or failure to uphold there oath for the 911 failures. US airports were shut sown, except flights to allow persons of interest, like those associated with the Saudi family, escape before the FBI could get a statement from them. And you, all the imagined glorious PVC patriotism you can muster, a public service employee of the people of the united states accuse your employers that question this mockery of the republic as spitting "on the bodies of 911 victims).

Now thats Chutzpa In the First Degree - the tipping point has been breached - choose a side or be food might be good advice. Get off the public dole.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 20:34 | 2446084 Vlad Tepid
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Stark wasn't an Aegis ship.  It used the old AN/SPS-49 system and was a guided-missile frigate, not an air defense ship.  But I get what you're saying...

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 20:41 | 2446095 stuman
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"for example a professional mechanic fixes the engine of his neighbors car; his neighbor is a chef and cooks him a meal."

Did he really just say that this type of transaction or trade is a problem?

When you boil it all away, THIS is how it works and has always worked.

I know how to do "this" and you know how to do "that"...let's help each other, what a ya say?

There are no proper channels, except the made up ones that make the process more complicated and so the Gov. can tax it!

~Pure insanity~ 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:17 | 2446137 El Oregonian
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Hey, MAXIPAD psycho... I think it's time for a change...

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:38 | 2445461 Kayman
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"this will be used against OUR enemies."

You have too much faith in tiny little men. 

 Rumor is not Fact. Innuendo is not Truth. And the gun used to protect you can easily be turned on you. 

 After all, you do agree with EVERYTHING your political masters conjure up, don't you ?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:42 | 2445473 PersonalRespons...
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Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:20 | 2445558 Bollixed
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MDB has a brain...

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:57 | 2445633 IToldYouSo
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and a sense of humour

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:58 | 2445502 Cadavre
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The NDAA has been blown so far out of proportion on Zero Hedge merely due to ideology.

Ain't got nothing to do with "ideology", it violates the precise language our founders wrote into the constitution with quilled pens.

The NDAA violates the rules. Our employees in DC, including the Romneybama, violated both their oath of office and the law of the land.

A freak kills your familay - would demanding his prosecution also be "blowing the murder of your family out of proportion".

Is being pissed off cause your familys' murderer has avoided prosecution little more than ideology?


For better or worse, rules are important and equally weighted. The political class is avarice mushed gray matter K-Street Kiddie Brothel fodder  = they ain't got a 10th the wit of those that elect and employ them who do follow the rules. Can you imagine what would happen if someone with lots-o-smarts decided to break the rules?

When public employees consider everyone of their employers a terror suspect something is terribly out of wack, But, when the political class violates the constitution to protect and enrich themselves, ensure the faux digital plurality that has been sending some of them back to DC longer than most of us have been alive,  and enact bills to protect and enhance those that bribe them, it's not ideology - it's fascism.

Blow this out of proportion:


Just kidding - think - the real bad asses are your neighbors and friends that invent, build and maintain the infrastructure that feeds the central planners. They follow, live by and appreciated the rules. If they decided they really wanted to break them - with extreme prejudice - they would be a force that even g*d would cower from. It would be "Atlas Shrugged" all over again ad infinitum.

The tipping point has been breached. A man who might lack the wisdom to distinguish been "ideology" and "law", should have enough common sense to choose the side with the most bodies. A wrong decision might run the risk of total personal and catastrophic jeopardy.

The rules protect you from that risk only if you follow the rules.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:04 | 2445515 TheProphet
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It has been ruled repeatedly that Constitutional Rights apply to American citizens and do not apply to those who are not American citizens.

We need the power to act? Look at what they have done with the power given them. Your answer is to give them the power to suppress dissent for their abuses?

I will forego explaining to you that since the beginning of time every country that has had this type of power has used it precisely to suppress dissent.

And to dissent is a form of mental illness? Interesting word choice. In the Soviet Union, dissenters were labeled as being mentally ill and sent to gulags to die. Of course, it was told to the people that they were mentally ill and the government was helping them. How apropos that you would begin your march on the same path.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:07 | 2445652 The Alarmist
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"In the Soviet Union, dissenters were labeled as being mentally ill and sent to gulags to die.

Just to be technical, they were sent to the gulag to work, contribute to the cause, and be reformed ... if they happened to die, that was just a sign that their revolutionary zeal was not strong enough.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:35 | 2445591 bshirley1968
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You are a naive fool who knows zip about history.  This crap is all about being used on our own citizenry. John McCain is a punk, bitch who needs to be sent back to his cell for championing that bullshit.  We bomb and shoot the enemy, stupid.  We intimidate and incarcerate those in our own country.  If it that wasn't the case, WHY IN THE HELL WOULD WE NEED THE 5TH AMENDMENT TO BEGIN WITH, DUMBASS!

Thank God our founding fathers weren't the sniffling wussy you are.  Grow a pair will ya?  I don't need Homeland Security, the FBI, the CIA, or even a rent-a-cop to deal with some third world rag-head, fanatics.  Send the bastards to my place.  I got something for them and I won't need to monitor your house to get it done.  Our own government has taken way more of our freedoms than any "terrorist" ever did.  The government is the terrorist.....and now I will prove my point with one simple and final question to you all.

What entity in a country has killed more of its people than any other in and throughout the entire history of mankind?

That's right!  A people's own government.  Examples : German, Russia, China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Laos, France, Great Britain, and yes...........the good ole USA.  I believe one of your heroes Lincoln killed over 700,000 Americans to keep his job.  So take your naive ass back to kindergarten and learn a thing or two about history, life, and evil men before you come preaching to us this bs.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:17 | 2445668 goldfish1
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The government is the terrorist


Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:47 | 2445615 rodocostarica
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Do we have a new MDB troll here? Pretty funny.

Idealogy is what makes us ZHers dude. Get with the program.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:11 | 2445656 goldfish1
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And we can all help by being on the lookout

Maxi lopez psycho talking about mental illness. He/she/it got the talking points down pat.

Good reminder to be on the look out for maxi lopez psycho.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:13 | 2445661 deepsouthdoug
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Go join those New Dawn fellows over in Greece!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:09 | 2445764 bankruptcylawyer
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i volunteer for you to be the first person to be legally imprisoned under this act. you sir are advocating for the essential destruction of the bill of rights. 


the bill of rights is more important than all other parts of the constitution.  it is the essential confliction between the government and private institituions ----and the  people------where these 10 freedoms described in the first ten amendments are the drawing line for fighting the war of independence. 

civil wars happen because private insittuions and govenrments team up together to trample the basic freedoms of individuals and families that are guaranteed in the bill of rights. 

you my friend are a terroritst for advocating to destroy the bill of rights, and for that, i would send you to jail, but not under the NDAA> 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:53 | 2445842 JPM Hater001
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proudly/Sadly at Wisconsin's Rep State Convention we passed an "End the NDAA resolution."  Still...there were morons who said the constitution was getting in the way... one even asked "should the president have to get a declaration of war to go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden?"

Most troubling was that the College Republicans were front and center..."NDAA makes us safer!"

No, it just proves how far the quality of the organization has fallen in their thinking since I left.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:47 | 2445833 JPM Hater001
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"The NDAA has been blown so far out of proportion"

For those that wanted another opportunity to down-arrow...because sometimes one is just not enough.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:23 | 2445962 MayIMommaDogFac...
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would you like them to be able to get straight to business

I thought the article was all about getting straight to business...

What part of the word "indefinite" do you not understand?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:37 | 2445991 BooMushroom
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When Obama was speaking to a Hispanic group, he spoke of "punishing our enemies." He was not speaking about people trying to kill Americans, he was speaking of people he disagrees with politically. So when you say "our enemies" you may not be thinking of the same people as him, or me.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:37 | 2445992 DosZap
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You have SO bought the makes YOU THE ENEMY.

Re-read the article, and see what the questions were that COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED by the Feds Lawyers.

Your answer is right there DUDE.

I asked my Senators,and House Rep, about H R 347(if mem serves),remember the one about speaking out at ANY function where the SS was present,(as protection for a Rep, anywhere, any place, anytime) and IF they did not like what you had to say they could/would arrest your ass?.

What does that mean to you?, since your CLUELESS, let me splain it to ju, it means you JUST  lost your right of REDRESS against YOUR Government, and of PROTEST of its policies ,all GUARANTEED under the, is THAT ok with you also??.

Sure as hell isn't with me, next Town Hall meeting you attend,and someone is arrested, lets see what kind of HELL happens,because the first time it does, TSWHTF.

Bank It.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:07 | 2446122 mess nonster
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Psycho, you fuckin' Nazi, you get the prize for the "most junked ever " record.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:15 | 2446134 robobbob
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everything that you're complaining about has legal and constitutional remedies.

"used against OUR enemies" who is "our"? the State is the embodiment of the country. so, it will be used against enemies of the State. Anyone who opposes their policies, by definition, is an enemy of the State.

this bill is sheer tyranny.


Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:47 | 2446175 CptAwesome
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People like you are the enemies. Enemies of a free society.  You seriously think it's okay for the Fed Gov to have a law on the books that allows them to indefinately detain anyone on the planet with out due process of law or even being charged of a crime. What is ridiculous is how much you believe that the Gubmint is here to help you and take care of you.

It's cronies like you being on the lookout that makes this shit scary. I can only imagine you will try and figure out whom everyone that disagrees with you is and turn them in as terrorists so you can go on increasing your calm as it were.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 22:04 | 2446214 ToxicAsset
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Splendid satire, I'm thinking.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 22:58 | 2446320 hedgehog9999
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Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:40 | 2445466 GOSPLAN HERO
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The Federal government shits on the Fifth Amendment every day.

The USSR had a constitution that was ignored by their courts and aparatchiks ... just like in the USSA today.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:26 | 2445574 Amish Hacker
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Interesting that Daniel Ellsberg is used in the article as an example of the kind of person the NDAA would go after. In his writing and on speaking tours, Ellsberg frequently makes the point that every crime that the government committed against him for leaking the Pentagon Papers---tapping his phone, reading his mail, breaking into his therapist's office to read his medical records, etc. etc.--- would be  completely legal if done today.

A rather sad commentary on how far we have gone in the wrong direction.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:43 | 2445475 Whiner
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She's protected by life tenure, but she may get hit by an errant Obammy drone. Hats off to her!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:56 | 2445499 Darth..Putter
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She will become eligible for a candacy for office.  I'd vote for her.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:24 | 2445572 AustriAnnie
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Judge Forrest, Judge Napolitano 2016      Has a nice ring to it.



Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:30 | 2445581 A Nanny Moose
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Or be in the wrong kind of boating accident.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:51 | 2445355 Gully Foyle
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The 2013 version is already in the pipeline.

Eventually TPTB will get what they want no matter how many hiccups along the way.


Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:32 | 2445311 Snakeeyes
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Talk about moral hazard. A good populist cry of "We will protect you!" is really a sick takeover plan for any Administration that wants to exercise it.

Don't worry. Obama will ignore it and do it anyway.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:43 | 2445334 Aziz
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"and vigilant against future incursions."

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 18:26 | 2445887 DosZap
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Don't worry. Obama will ignore it and do it anyway.

Not without guaranteed negative legal consequences.

His interpretation and ideas of the Const & BOR's, and the Amendments do not JIBE with a couple of hundred million folks who happen to be real Americans.(Not posers like him).

HIS interpretation, is no better,nor holds more credence than mine nor anyone elses here that knows the founding documents(he is/was NO Constitutional Law Professor)

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:35 | 2445315 ghengis86
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Damn them all to hell. Every last one. Fucking tyrants.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:36 | 2445316 sunnydays
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Let Freedom Ring

Paul McCartney - Freedom

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:24 | 2445430 Race Car Driver
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Paul's dead. He was replaced by Sir Paul, a NWO tool.

LOL... 'Freedom', indeed.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:36 | 2445318 djcando
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The phrases, "Give me liberty, or give me death" and "Don't tread on me" come to mind.

Thank you Judge Forrest!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:38 | 2445320 resurger
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Judge Katherine Forrest, i salute you ...

+5 soaps.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:40 | 2445324 Arnold Ziffel
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Why let a little matter like the Bill of Rights get in the way of Big Government?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:40 | 2445325 Everybodys All ...
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and signed on either Christmas or New Years eve in to law when no one was watching. In the coming years ahead many of this current generation are going to have everything they know as "American" challenged by our government. It's going to take a lot of courage and brave men to stand up to the tyrannical powers moving against our freedoms. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:53 | 2445357 Fish Gone Bad
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People can't even turn off their television sets.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:56 | 2445362 Gully Foyle
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Fish Gone Bad

Maxx Headroom is that you?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:42 | 2445328 Diet Coke and F...
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That last paragraph is interesting.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:42 | 2445330 CryingBear
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World leaders backed keeping Greece in the euro zone on Saturday and vowed to take all steps necessary to combat financial turmoil while revitalizing a global economy increasingly threatened by Europe's debt crisis.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:58 | 2445370 Jumbotron
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All steps meaning you and I will get the bill through Fed based money printing arbitrage funneled through Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan.

The Elites' dream of global serfdom utopia will not be abated by the default of a few South European countries.  It will be in the interest of all world citizens....whether or not you still are under the delusion that you are a sovereign citizen of an individual do your part even if it means the impoverishment of your own country.

"Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand."

Rush: Temples of Syrinx

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:43 | 2445331 INMUDEELZIZ
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Mon, 05/21/2012 - 00:46 | 2446481 palmereldritch
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No, just as long as you can help them arrange citizenism.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:47 | 2445339 mcguire
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everything ndaa wanted, and much much worse, are already granted by various executive orders.. 


Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:19 | 2445952 DosZap
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everything ndaa wanted, and much much worse, are already granted by various executive orders.. 


Yep, but WORDED differently..................with additional no no's.

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 00:45 | 2446475 palmereldritch
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But nothing has the bind of confirmation by the people's representatives...

Government of the sheeple, by the sheeple, for the sheeple.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:48 | 2445347 Oquities
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this is only the first of much obama-signed legislation that will be overturned.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:53 | 2445356 Jumbotron
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Meh....just a stumbling block on the road to complete serfdom.  You can still steal people's money through the Constitutional and lawful can still debase the currency through the Constitutional and lawful Federal Reserve and you can still kill unborn babies and deprive them of the God given and Constitutionaly protected right to the pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness throught the Constitutional and lawful decision of Roe vs. Wade.

George W. accelerated us down the road to serfdom through his misguided attempts to protect us from "them" whoever the hell "them" may be.

Barack put the pedal to the metal by trying to assure himself, standing on the ground that W. built for him a decade earlier, that he would be protected from us.  And with this portion of the Act struck down...for is simply a shave and a haircut off the stinking land fill of unconstitutionality that we collectively know as Homeland Security.

Stay tuned to a forthcoming "Wag The Dog" moment coming to your favorite cable, satellite or YouTube channel.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:57 | 2445364 Gully Foyle
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Entropy, and the basic realization that all things change, will get them in the end.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:01 | 2445378 Jumbotron
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Entropy, and the basic realization that all things change, will get them in the end.

"all things change"  Is that Hope and Change?

Or perhaps change as in from the fying pan into the fire?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:04 | 2445386 Jumbotron
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Or is that change such as Mitt Zombie?  Seems to me we will find out much too late that he is the kettle calling the pot a non-racist way of course.  LOL

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:54 | 2445358 Cult of Criminality
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Thank you Judge Forrest and those that brought the suit against this

Rogue Government.

From all Americans of all ethnic origins,you truly are a American Hero.


Thank you ZeroHedge and John Aziz

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:00 | 2445373 Global Hunter
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hate to be a downer, but its a rather sad state of affairs that somebody is hailed as a hero because he or she was just doing what was painfully obvious and a part of his or her job.  That being said I am thankful that this judge and a few others care about more than themselves and their own greed.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:26 | 2445437 James_Cole
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Doing the right thing when the majority of power is on the other side is always heroic.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:38 | 2445460 Global Hunter
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Good point James.  I wasn't attacking Katherine Forrest but the world around her, you, I and I.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:10 | 2445532 kekekekekekeke
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totally agreed, we're congratulating her for something almost every single one of us would do, but I guess it's good to see someone who conformed enough with the system to make it that far on our side

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:36 | 2445586 AustriAnnie
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These days, taking one's oath of office seriously and reflecting that oath in action, is rare.  More in office should follow Forrest and Ron Paul, and act on principle rather than political opportunism.  It is indeed heroic for anyone to be the one who refuses to follow the herd, and instead throws themselves in front of it to be trampled by power-hungry politicians.  They risk putting themselves under attack just for going against the status quo.  

It inspires others who are disillusioned with the "system" to go ahead and dive into it and stir things up.  I love that.  People who dive in fists flying.  We need more of it.

And the more people who congratulate Forrest, the more it encourages her to continue the fight.  We OWE it to her to participate, to support her, not to just sit back and expect her to fight the system on her own.  We have a duty to participate in the defense of our freedoms.  

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:01 | 2445380 Sleepless Knight
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Maybe Ron Paul has a position for her?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:02 | 2445383 max2205
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Yea. Kathy for president!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:31 | 2445448 Mary Wilbur
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I'd rather have her as Attorney General. Holder is a disaster.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:04 | 2445387 Amish Hacker
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Note that Judge Forrest has temporarily blocked provision 1021. The battle is far from won.

The real problem is that Howard KcKeon in the House (HR1540) and Carl Levin in the Senate (S1253) were able to speed this outrageous measure through the Congress, while the MSM lulled the public to sleep with stories on gay marriage, Obama's birth certificate, and Dancing With the Stars. Wake up, people. The US Constitution is being dismantled piece by piece, in broad daylight, and no one seems to care, or even notice.


Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:30 | 2445679 bshirley1968
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Wake up?  What are you talking about?  The only thing that is going to slow this train of tyrrany down, is a bullet up someone's ass or even better, between their eyes.

Why do you guys continue to dance around the issue.  We took this country from assholes who tried to enslave us and take our God-given rights.  It took gun powder and lead to get our freedom and somehow you pansies think it won't take that to keep it.  We fought the tyranny at Bull Run, Fredricksburg, Shiloh, Gettysburg, etc. and lost.  Now the tyrrany wants more and you have to decide do you draw the line and fight or give in.  It is as simple as that.  The only thing tyrrany understands is the use of force.  Your vote is MEANINGLESS!  It has never and will never change anything when it comes to dealing with evil and tyrrany.  To have a honorable agreement, you must have honorable men.  When you are dealing with theives, murderers, crooks, terrorist, liars, and greedy power hungry bastards do not expect them to play by the "rules" and be.......honorable.  All they understand and all the need is a BULLET.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:55 | 2445846 Jake88
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Round up the scumbags and hold a public beheading of each and every one of the tyrants. Death to the tyrants.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:36 | 2445693 bshirley1968
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Wake up and do what?!!!  Call my congressman?  Call my senator?  Go start a rally?  Put a bumper sticker on or a sign in my yard.  Maybe I should call Glenn Beck or Rush?

I am awake and ready.  When the horn blows and the game starts I know where I stand and what I will do.  Looking for some who will stand with me.  I didn't say WIN with me but just stand.  Winning is not the issue here.  Standing for the right and the freedom we have is the issue.  You don't do that because you are guaranteed a win, you do that because it is the right thing to do, it is what free men do.

Most of the people on ZH are awake, my concern is (in the immortal words of Jimmy Malone), "What are they (you) prepared to do?"

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:16 | 2445409 Alexandros
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Global Debt Crisis - The greatest private fraud of human history.

Who are the great fraudsters who are becoming the murderers of the human kind?


The end of the world is near ...The ten plagues of Pharaoh “have been brought upon” the USA.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:22 | 2445417 roadhazard
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Actually I think the battle is over and we have lost. I have been hearing about these DHS detention camps going up all over the country but I thought it was just BS. Well I am hear to tell you now that it is real. They have made it up here in the mountains of WNC and I would never have known if it had not been on the local news that a Hospital in a City near me was complaining that the DHS detention center was too close to the hospital and doctors offices. When asked about it a spokesman from the local police or the DHS said, " Oh, we will not be keeping people there, just interrogating them." I guess that is why they need all the chain link and barb wire. The city is made up of retires and lesbians. Everyone is now a terrorist. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:54 | 2445497 Casey Stengel
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I was wondering how life in Asheville was going. Did you know about the prison a couple hours north of you? Built in a hurry and sitting empty......waiting. You can't even see it from the road. If the small sign was removed you could call it Chateau D'lf.

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