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Guest Post: Law Enforcement is Not Your Friend

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Submitted by James E. Miller of the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,

Across the West, instances of abuse of authority by domestic police forces are becoming more prevalent.  Two weeks ago, two police officers in my hometown accosted my brother as he walked back to his car after purchasing a six pack of beer.  The officers, who thought my brother was up to no good because he parked a few blocks from a bar, questioned him for a full half hour.  All the while, they found it necessary to remind him repeatedly that “he was in trouble” and that the situation was “serious.”  After my brother asked numerous times what he had done and if he was under arrest, the two officers finally let him go.  Though he was never charged with a crime, it was implied that he wasn’t free to leave.  During the back-and-forth, one officer claimed that he and his fellow officers kept the town safe through such tactics like assuming everyone is a criminal.  The sad part is, the officer likely believed his own story.

Situations of police arrogance and abuse like this are now commonplace in many Western countries and especially the United States.  After a decade of civil liberties systematically being slaughtered and the rights of foreigners being stripped away in the name of “fighting terrorism,” even the most egregious acts of crushing natural rights hardly draw any outcry from the greater public.  Just last week on August 16, 2012, former Marine Brandon Raub was forcibly taken from his home in Chesterfield Country, Virginia and is currently being held against his will in a psychiatric hospital.  His alleged crime he has yet to be charged for?  Questioning the federal government’s true motive in all its dealings on his private Facebook page.  Despite having no criminal record and no history of mental health illness, Raub was effectively kidnapped from his home in a coordinated effort by FBI officials, Secret Service agents, and local police.  The pickup hardly differs from the Gestapo tactics used in communist Russia to suppress political dissent.  The arresting officials claim that Raub was not under arrest despite the fact that he was in shackled handcuffs and was not free to return home.  FBI spokeswoman Dee Rybiski assured the Associated Press that many of Raub’s writing were “threatening” and that they had received “complaints” over the violent rhetoric.  But according to The New American, nowhere in Raub’s writing was violent revolution ever suggested.  Thankfully, a judge recently ordered the release of Raub as there was no legal basis to hold him involuntarily.

While the Brandon Raub affair is horrendous, arrest and detainment of political dissent is nothing new to the United States.  From John Adams’ signing of the Alien and Sedition Act  to Abraham Lincoln suspending Habeas Corpus and imprisoning political opponents and those who spoke out against the Civil War, freedom of speech and peaceful protest have never been regarded as sacrosanct.  Should law enforcement feel the need to keep someone against their will, there is little to stand in their way.  And this behavior is not unique to the United States.

In Canada, the home of “peace, order, and good government,” the people’s faith in the goodness of monopolized authority is being challenged.  Last spring after many provincial governments threatened tuition hikes, university students took to the streets in protest.  Police brutality ended up showing its ugly head as riot police arrested as many as 85 protestors.  These students, who naively saw themselves as entitled to a college education paid for by pilfered funds, were served a taste of what government really looks like.  To quote H.L. Mencken, the students believed in the sanctity of democracy and got it “good and hard” as they witnessed the truth that government amounts to no more than a riot shield, a billy club, and the trigger of a gun.  In Europe, austerity measures have evoked similar objection as many nonviolent protests have been upended by police crackdowns.  Though the anti-austerity crowd generally wants their perspective governments to shower them with entitlement benefits, their childlike desire of something for nothing is not deserving of a tax-funded bludgeoning.

As the state grows in size and scope of authority so must its enforcement apparatus.  The forced taking and distributing of wealth is not a trait found in a peaceful society.  With every ratcheting up of government intervention into civil life comes growth in the police state.  The perpetual War on Terror has only exacerbated this trend as many Americans have shamefully allowed for their inner-most private moments to be violated in the name of feeling safe.  Likewise, prominent governments the world over have bowed down to America hegemony and the sheer arrogance through which a policy of extra-judicial murder and the silencing of criticism is conducted.  As LRC columnist and author Fred Reed explains:

People speak of the onrush of the police state. I think that many do not understand how fast it comes, or how thorough it will be.

The political framework falls rapidly into place. Few or no safeguards exist, and probably few are possible. A growing authoritarianism    rapidly erodes what protections we had. The courts allow random searches of passengers of trains and subways without probable cause. Warrantless tapping of personal communications is rampant, or done with secret warrants from a secret federal judge. TSA has Viper squads that stop cars at random for searches. In many places it is against the law to video the police, who everywhere become more militarized and less accountable. For practical purposes, citizens have no recourse.

It’s quite easy to understand why law enforcement, as a vital enforcement arm of government, uses its authority so recklessly and with little impunity.  The state, as anarcho-capitalist philosopher Hans-Herman Hoppe defines it, acts as “the final arbiter and judge in every case of interpersonal conflict.”  Whatever issue a citizen has with an enforcer of government law, it must be heard and dealt with by another state official; thereby making bias inevitable.  Should a judge declare whatever claim you make against the police as void, the process comes to an end.  There is no appeal to a competing authority.  Law, instead of being concrete and based on moral principles, is bent and formed to fit whatever the enforcers in the state deem necessary.  Instead of protecting person and property, law enforcement seeks to protect itself and the power it has accumulated.  In other words, “protect and serve” does not apply to society but rather to their employer known as the state.

Questioning of monopolized, violent, and easily corruptible authority is not a radical stance by any means.  Believing that society is incapable of functioning without living under a gun is not only a radical view but also one that hides a hatred of humanity.  It is a view based on the ideal that only might makes right and that peace and liberty are impossible conditions for man to prosper in.

The state’s monopoly on violence ultimately acts as a hindrance to social cooperation and rising living standards.  It is regressive in the sense that monopolies have no incentive to meet the needs of consumers.  Government law enforcement is legalized force shielded by the threat of even more force.  There is little accountability or repercussion for police brutality except in some extreme cases.  If a victim is unable to illicit support from a media establishment intoxicated with its position as the government’s court reporter, misdeeds go unpunished.  Perpetrators are then more emboldened to commit the same, and even worse, acts in the future.

In the end, law enforcement in its current form should not be looked to as a friend of peace but merely as another branch of the state’s institutionalized thuggery.  There is little justice to be had if one group of individuals operates outside the rule of proper and moral law.  Freedom comes not from a badge and gun but of a recognition that man has an absolute right to not be coerced against his wishes.  Anything else amounts to repression of body and spirit with social degeneration as the final outcome.


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Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:14 | 2732321 LetThemEatRand
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This article itself is a false flag, because the fucking author wants to rule the world himself.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:19 | 2732336 Pladizow
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How to handle the police state:

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:21 | 2732341 Xibalba
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<-- Or good business?  



The USSA has 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the prison population....


you decide. 

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:30 | 2732358 Pladizow
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Your brother should have asked:

1. Are you detaining me or am I free to go?

and not answered any questions!

American Obedience Training Botchez!

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:34 | 2732377 CH1
Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:39 | 2732389 Dr Benway
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That sort of approach costs time because they can hassle and detain you on any number of pretexts and get away with it.

On topic, this article is just idiotic. Law enforcement should be a government monopoly and not governed by free market principles and money.

I am seriously starting to think the author is a bankster infiltrator of ZH. Letting banskters have their own private police forces and courts? Fuck you Ludwig Von Mises institute and the horse you rode in on.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:47 | 2732401 Dr Benway
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Here is how the institute was designed:

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:57 | 2732430 Colombian Gringo
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The police are already privatized. Their job is to protect the elites and will gladly smash in your teeth for a paycheck.  95% of the time, during an assault, there are no police present to help you. But just try walking up to GS in NY and take pictures. New Yorks finest are on you like brown on shit.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:12 | 2732453 Randall Cabot
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Keeps track of police misconduct:

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:11 | 2732596 Spirit Of Truth
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I had my apartment broken into and ransacked once for telling the truth like I just did again a few days ago here:

The "authorities" don't want the truth to be told.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 02:00 | 2732719 Manthong
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Must watch.. few folks know what to do and why.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:27 | 2732864 Element
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Hang on, this article's got it all wrong, the State is the good guy, and the citizens are the baddies!  Scheesh!  I thought everyone knew that.

- Bomber Barry

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:42 | 2732878 Michael
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How do you say in Arabic, "A Base Member From The Base"?

Your a genius if you can answer this question.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 05:27 | 2732939 Element
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Wot did I win?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:09 | 2733017 SWRichmond
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The state’s monopoly on violence ultimately acts as a hindrance to social cooperation and rising living standards.

This is the simplest, and most important-to-make point.  Voluntary cooperation leads to the unleasing of human creativity, and a rising tide floats all boats.  As the unwelcome and violent state forces its way into ever-more human interactions, cooperation and wealth creation break down.  As they have.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:16 | 2733388 BigJim
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@James Miller: Law Enforcement is Not Your Friend. Posted: 08/23/2012 21:12

@LetThemEatRand: This article itself is a false flag, because the fucking author wants to rule the world himself. Posted: 08/23/2012 21:14

Hmmm, less than two minutes to absorb the contents of a 1353 word article, and reply, as well! No stalking here, then.

What's wrong girlfriend? Did Jimmy M dump you for poor personal hygiene? Hell hath no fury, etc, eh?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:31 | 2733439 BigJim
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Much as I enjoy Miller's polemics, he always throws the baby out with the bathwater on this subject. Exactly how are we to resolve conflicts without some kind of final arbiter? When two sides fundamentally disagree (or act in bad faith) how will they come to an agreement with regards to who should settle the dispute in the first place? I genuinely don't see how we can function without a monopolist of force.

The problem is when that monopolist takes its direction from the other monopolist - the government.

It seems to me that a monopolist police force is necessary... what is not necessary (or desirable) is that they take orders from central government.

People have asked how we can have a 'private' police force that wouldn't just serve the interests of the wealthy (like they're not doing that now, chuckle).

How about the local populace vote how much revenue their local police earn, and also assign bonuses according to the number of crimes that are not only not commited, but differing amounts for what crimes are not committed. So for instance, the local populace can decide it will only budget $1,000 a year to avoid having pot smokers loitering on the street, but $1,000,000 to avoid rapes, $2,000,000 to avoid child murders, etc.

Philosopher Jamie Whyte discussed this in greater detail here:

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:07 | 2733015 TheFourthStooge-ing
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How do you say in Arabic, "A Base Member From The Base"?

Well, however it is said, it's going to contain the words "al qaida".

Your a genius if you can answer this question.

Maybe so, but even a dumb hick like me knows that qaida is Arabic for base.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 08:01 | 2733133 onthesquare
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the first casualty of war, is the truth.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:52 | 2732654 Vooter
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Which is why 9/11 was funny...

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:14 | 2732678 dbomb12
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We could now address them as the new  Schutzstaffel

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:00 | 2732835 I Am The Unknow...
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@Columbian Gringo - by and large you are correct.  However, we still have what's left of the judiciary to counterbalance police brutality.  I humbly suggest that we carefully choose whom we wish to be elected to judicial posts in each and every election.  Perhaps these local, state and federal elections are more important to the safety, security, and well being of the USA than the "blue vs. red, pepsi vs. coca-cola, dem vs. republican" false choice elections. 

Judges can and sometimes, although rarely, do rule in favor of victims of police brutalty.  I have even heard rumors of anecdotal reports of local and/or state Judges ruling in favor of victims of the TBTF banks (WOW, imagine that!), although I have zero personal direct knowledge of said events.  

Personally, I will vote for such Judges who uphold the Constitution of the USA, and those who uphold the State's Constitution in which I have the right to vote, and I encourage all Americans to do the same.  However, I admit I've been doing my research and haven't really found any judge (this comment is meant to include Attorney General, et al in the Judiciary) that I'm a big fan of yet.  BUT, maybe if we focus on judges, then perhaps some better candidates for election in the Judicial Branch may come about? 

I guess what I am trying to say is that as far as my political donations, time, energy, ZH comments, and volunteer efforts are concerned, F*ck the upcoming Presidential elections because our last line of defense is local and state law (I think it is safe to say that federal law is pretty much out the door at this point in time)....and that is where my time, effort, and money should be spent. 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:37 | 2733067 Sean7k
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There is a better solution. Our greatest judicial protection lies in the jury system. Courts still require a jury for conviction in most cases. The people can decide to: one, convict police of wrongful actions and two, to determine innocence- REGARDLESS OF THE STATE'S ARGUMENTS.

Granted, the State will then eliminate juries or create professional jurors, but then, that is just another sign of where we are, yes?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:37 | 2733070 Fred C Dobbs
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Everyone should just stop convicting people of made up crimes while on jury duty.  Vote not guilty.  It is your last freedom so use it.  



Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:19 | 2732473 Ricky Bobby
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Her Dr. bootlicker I hear the TSA is hiring. 

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:58 | 2732665 JLee2027
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The Thuggery will continue as long as the money holds out. But as we know, the currency is dying. The collapse will either turn America into a police state or restore our liberties. This is a good time to pray.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 01:07 | 2732722 Dr Benway
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Are you functionally retarded? FYI, I am probably as anti-excessive-police-power and anti-police-brutality and anti-police-state as they come.


I am also a realist.


Privatized law enforcement and courts would lead to hell. Letting rich people have their own police forces and courts would entail hell on earth. Ludwig von Mises institute is trying to create hell. 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:47 | 2732881 CompassionateFascist
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They already do: it's called the Z.O.G.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:32 | 2732640 iinthesky
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dr benway... You sir are an asshole of epic proportions or a useful idiot. I have never said anything of the sort to anyone commenting on ZH but you.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 01:23 | 2732731 Dr Benway
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Yes, because I do not advocate anarchy like Somalia, I am surely the fool here.


Since we are doing ad hominem, let me say you are a simpleton and an extremist and a fucking idiot.


You fucking Libertardian, you pray to your chosen idol and are as dogmatic as those you oppose. For you "free markets" is the panacea, the solution to any possible problem. You are religious and have abandoned reason, you only superficially credit it like the disgusting hypocrite you are.


Please explain to me how it would be a good thing if law enforcement and courts and laws were the subject of free market principles and money? Tell me how it would be good if rich people could have their own courts and penal systems and law enforcement?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 02:04 | 2732793 Bay of Pigs
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Ah, the "Somalia" argument. All downhill from there...LOL.



Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:13 | 2732851 AnAnonymous
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Yep, Somalians are negroes. That tells it all.

Signed: an American.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 04:19 | 2732902 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Yep, Somalians are negroes. That tells it all.

Signed: an American.

Nice try at offuscation, Little Bigot Man, but you've already made clear your contempt for negroes.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 08:24 | 2733171 AnAnonymous
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De offuscation actually.

'Americans' think that what is happening in Somalia cant happen to them. For the simple reason Somalia is peopled with negroes.
And them' Americans' are civilized people. While negroes are negroes.

As to contempt for negroes, already answer to it. Better to ask one 'American' for that type of feeling.

Been that way from 'Americans' since 1776,July,4th... Longest hatred, contempt hold by 'Americans'...

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 08:45 | 2733257 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, evasive and offuscative, said:

As to contempt for negroes, already answer to it. Better to ask one 'American' for that type of feeling.

Yes, you did indeed answer to it:

Logics of lowest level. Even understood by negroes, so to tell how lowest level it is...

Running away from your own words now? Your scurrying rodent nature is eternal.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 06:26 | 2732969 Poor Grogman
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Yep Tibetans are Chinese
Signed an anoyingmouse

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:20 | 2732857 StychoKiller
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Find the answers you seek:  Here!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:45 | 2733087 Sean7k
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This is Max with a new name. You can always identify Max by his use of the Somalia argument. This degrades to libertarian insults. What we really need are better trolls. Ones that can make well reasoned arguments to test our skills, but unfortunately we get Max. 

The worse part is the knowing that the Elites feel that a Max is all that is necessary to convince the population. Other comment areas would appear to reinforce this reality- we just are not taken seriously as a people. 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:47 | 2732706 NidStyles
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Banskster infiltrator? You do realize what site you're on, right? 

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:23 | 2732348 AldousHuxley
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what can trump police thugs is ex-military experienced vets.


once vets take the side of the people, it is all over.


police never were on the right side of revolutions. ask african americans.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:19 | 2732682 toady
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That's why I hang out at the VFW & American Legion. Good friends to have in the near future.

Unfortunately, most of the GW1 & GW2 guys look like they'll be on the other side...

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 01:28 | 2732755 otto skorzeny
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most vets are either newly minted cops or just burned out alchies who play vid games all day and contemplate suicide. alot of HR people I talk to say their companies don't hire vets  because they are all PTSDed or drugged out.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 13:16 | 2734338 JimBowie1958
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Yeah, vets are good enough to fight and bleed for our freedoms, but too risky to earn a paycheck.

What a bunch of unfuckinggrateful bastards.

If the proverbial fodder truly does hit the fan and the whole world unglues into little fiefdoms because no government has the resources to pull them back to a center again, these vets will help us all to put the thieves and ingrates where they belong.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 06:13 | 2732957 Freewheelin Franklin
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what can trump police thugs is ex-military experienced vets.


Many police are ex-military vets.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:15 | 2733387 sessinpo
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Thousand up arrows for you.


I've noticed AldousHuxley frequent liberal posts that display total ignorance from reality. But then I love picking on liberals which isn't really fair to fight mentality ill/challenged persons.

Of also note is how very few Vets are speaking out against how the government is destroying the constitution. Many are just to afraid or don't understand the constitution themselves. They just take orders. The few that do speak out get destroyed by the MSM and the government.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:30 | 2732363 JeffB
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Look at the followup YouTube clip of what they did to him at another checkpoint:

Of course, he may make out ok on the lawsuits, but that's always a risk too.


Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:33 | 2732373 Pladizow
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This was 3 years earlier and the case has been tried:

Mon, 08/27/2012 - 11:22 | 2740926 JeffB
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The case against the pastor was tried and he was found not guilty.

That doesn't necessarily make up for having his face smashed into brtoken glass, in the car, against the door, and with a foot grinding his face into the asphallt. Not to mention being tasered multiple times, mocked and ridiculed as they take their time hauling him to the hospital to be stitched up, refusing to let him go to the bathroom etc.

If I wasn't convicted but had to pay significant legal fees to remain free (after spending some time in jail in another city), while I recover with multiple stitches in my face, I doubt I'd feel like thumping my chest as though I taught them some sort of lesson.


Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:10 | 2732594 Plata con Carne
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The way this guy handled a traffic stop gave me a chuckle...


Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:20 | 2732613 Umh
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It is funny.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:42 | 2732701 Overfed
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More people need to step up and refuse to cooperate with these (and all) checkpoints.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:50 | 2733105 Red Heeler
Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:32 | 2732370 Vint Slugs
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Where in the above article do you determine that the author wants to rule the world?

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:36 | 2732384 CH1
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Actual facts are not required. He just *knows*.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:28 | 2732507 LetThemEatRand
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Do a little research, ape.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:39 | 2732635's picture

Why the selfish attitude? If you know something which will benefit your fellow man, share it.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 01:31 | 2732760 Dr Benway
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The author wants to abolish the government monopoly on courts, laws and law enforcement. The author wants a society where the rich can have their own courts and laws and cops. The author is funded by the same people that would benefit from this absolutely hellish scenario.


You anarcho-Libertards are so much more dangerous than I first thought. You are the pawns of the banksters, a total Jedi-mind trick has been performed so you think the exact opposite. LOL. The mainstream libertarians I know are quite reasonable though, hmm..

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 06:17 | 2732960 Freewheelin Franklin
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Oh fuck. Our true intentions have been discovered!


If you had half a brain in your fucking head, you would realize that the current monopolistic court and enforcement system is controlled by the rich and powerful.


Christ, where do these fucking retards come from?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 06:42 | 2732983 Dr Benway
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You are the fucking retard if you think its a good idea to let private corporations have their own cops and courts.


LOL. You anarcho-libertards are so removed from all reality its scary. Lost in the fucking rabbithole of grand theories and fairytales.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 06:53 | 2733000 Ghordius
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ad hom and similar attacks don't improve your arguments

meanwhile I'm fascinated by the either anti-state OR anti-corporation attitudes that a few posters have, all the evils are either in one camp or the other - complete polarization

soon I will have to ask at nearly every comment: "please define private. do you mean personal or corporate?"

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:13 | 2733021 JOYFUL
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where is the mystery in any of this?

In the korporkleptic "state," the public purse is privatized, for the pleasure of the pharaseeutical klasses...there is no more either\or, this versus that, us vs them...the majority of the few remaining jobs are in the 'defense sector' - which sells it's weaponry to the militarized 'police' for use in keeping the peace!

...all kontradictions have been eliminated, and the "state" is withering away, it's functions superseded by the moneypower...we are approaching perfektion!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:18 | 2733022 Dr Benway
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If you are implying I am rabidly anti-corporation and pro-state, you misunderstand me completely.


I believe certain functions should be administered by the state, including law enforcement and courts of law.


Not one single commenter here has addressed the point, whether they really advocate private interests (personal or corporate) to directly control cops and courts?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:52 | 2733110 Sean7k
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It has been addressed ad nauseum, but you never do any reading on the subject. You merely digress to somalia arguments and libtard sentiments. You need a new avatar Max and next time, find a new set of insults- you might keep us guessing next time!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 08:16 | 2733160 Dr Benway
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It is pathetic how every single one of you refuse to engage in discussion on any concrete points.


You seriously are against state monopoly on violence? We should have a free market of violence? You want competing (ie warring) police forces?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 08:33 | 2733208 Sean7k
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Max, the present system is malfunctioning. Why would we want to continue to use it? If you have a better idea, that works, please make it available. 

The use of the free market in these areas is ALREADY TESTED AND SUCESSFUL. We call them arbitration and private security- when coupled with private insurance- we have the means to provide all the protection we need. Protection paid for voluntarily rather than coerced. Protection that places the consumer first, rather than last- as we presently have. 

We don't refuse to discuss your points, we are tired of your inability to argue rationally. If you are willing to accept such a compromised system as we currently have, how can you reject the possibility of another system with potential flaws that INCREASES liberty for us all? 

As it is the STATE that allows corporations to maintain power and influence over the markets and government, how does eliminating the power of the State in these areas empower corporations? 

You are deliberately obtuse. 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 08:48 | 2733265 Dr Benway
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You want a hellish Mad Max dystopia of warring security forces and warlords.

Highly bizarre.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:07 | 2733348's picture

Your religious sentiment that man is afflicted by original sin and must be taken under the care of a priestly caste with esoteric knowledge has caused you to see men who espouse rational thought and action as some kind of devils.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:50 | 2733528 Sean7k
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Max, there you go. You proved my point. I present an argument that YOU requested and you cannot reply with a counterargument.

Please ZH, we need better trolls.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:23 | 2733420 sessinpo
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"Oh fuck. Our true intentions have been discovered! If you had half a brain in your fucking head, you would realize that the current monopolistic court and enforcement system is controlled by the rich and powerful. Christ, where do these fucking retards come from?"


I'd say probably from the retards that see the problem like you just admitted too and do nothing about it. Yea, it will always be the same as long as retards like you are around.


Fri, 08/24/2012 - 13:20 | 2734350 JimBowie1958
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You anarcho-Libertards are so much more dangerous than I first thought. You are the pawns of the banksters, a total Jedi-mind trick has been performed so you think the exact opposite.

You are a fucking brain-fried moron.

Go back to jacking off to porn in your moms basement, please, and shut the fuck up otherwise so adults can come to some realization about problems in this real world.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:48 | 2732707 NidStyles
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Now that's the Libertarian attitude we knew you were capable of. 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:20 | 2733408 sessinpo
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LetThemEatRand wrote:

"Do a little research, ape."


Now that is the truly the tea calling the kettle black. But that is the liberal way. When you can't defend your position, start calling names.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:17 | 2733399 sessinpo
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It's called liberalism - a mental disorder.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:46 | 2732408 Bay of Pigs
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You troll every article written by this author. LOL. You're a fucking wingnut dude. 

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:59 | 2732432 blunderdog
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Just to clarify something for anyone who might care: the common vernacular is that "wingnuts" are right-wing loonies.

Left-wing loonies are "moonbats."

Look over both shoulders now...

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:30 | 2732511 Umh
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He trolls every article.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:08 | 2732447 tmosley
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Jesus Fucking Christ, dude.

Writing for the Mises Institute isn't exactly the path to hegemonic world domination.  I've seen some whoppers in my day, but this takes the cake.  Your agenda is like a fire on a mountain at night--clear as can be.

Must be a masochist, what with your love of boots on your neck.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:55 | 2732564 Silver Bug
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They sadly have become glorified meter maids. They are are out to make a profit now.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:02 | 2732842 New World Chaos
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Wait till they are paid in TP; they will become the worst gangs around.  Cops these days, especially city cops, are carefully selected for sociopathy.  Life and law mean nothing to them.  Look what happened when the Albuquerque police union enacted $500 "stress" payments whenever cops shot someone.  Shootings surged by 400%:

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:02 | 2732667 Henry Hub
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"...Gestapo tactics used in communist Russia to suppress political dissent" WTF?

The Gestapo was the German Nazi secret police, They wouldn't have gotten very far in Communist Russia

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:49 | 2732709 NidStyles
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Where do you think the KGB learned to be so effective?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:15 | 2732852 AnAnonymous
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By copying out 'Americans'.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:52 | 2732885 CompassionateFascist
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After breakfast of minced puppydog, ChicomTroll experiences massive blob-up.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 04:31 | 2732907 Zwelgje
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please define 'Americans'.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 13:23 | 2734362 JimBowie1958
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By copying out 'Americans'.

AA, do you ever tire of doing your cum-guzzling agitprop for your masters?

If not, please ESADIAF.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:56 | 2733124 Sean7k
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Amazing how irratating those little inconsistencies are.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:40 | 2732698 Umh
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I'd vote you down twice if I could.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 02:49 | 2732830 Voluntary Exchange
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Ruling oneself only, that is hardly ruling the world. Voluntary cooperation and moral self-defense are the antitheses of authoritarian monopoly government force and its claimed ruler-ship over others.  Are there really 7.5 % of Zero Hedge readers who agree with your post?  Nice trolling anyway.


Fri, 08/24/2012 - 06:21 | 2732964 Freewheelin Franklin
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...because the fucking author wants to rule the world himself.


Fuck you, and fuck him. The world is mine, bitchez!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 06:49 | 2732982 democratickindeling
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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:09 | 2733359 sessinpo
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LetThemEatRand  wrote:

"This article itself is a false flag, because the fucking author wants to rule the world himself."


The origiinal comment is a false flag for the same reason. And to clarify and to be utmost honest, a rare thing these days, while I am hold libertarian views and desire smaller government and less centralized power, if I had a reasonable chance of ruling the world, I'd go for it.

Nothing more assinine as those that rail against TPTB but don't admit they would like to have more power themselves.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:14 | 2732326 diogeneslaertius
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a monopoly of force

slave electorate

and rigged markets


renaissance 2.0 or bust folks

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:37 | 2732386 CH1
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Well said.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:22 | 2732345 LoneStarHog
Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:39 | 2732390 LoneStarHog
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I am guessing that we have two Obozo Marxists that are upset that this Marine was released by a competent judge.  There was a national outcry of rage by veterans and freedom-loving Americans.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:43 | 2732633 Bringin It
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More on same.


Judge Sharrett adds that he was shocked to find that a magistrate did not include any grounds at all for holding Raub, who was placed in custody for a full week without any charges being pressed.

Earlier in the week, attorneys representing Raub from the Rutherford Institute attacked the mishandling of the case by suggesting that the entire ordeal was a war on their client’s constitutional rights."

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:03 | 2732843 Voluntary Exchange
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Now, to which judge may he go to get impartial services if he were to attempt to gain restitution for this crime done against him?  I would not  choose one that gets paid in a similar way to the thugs who arrested him. 


Whith so many raising a stink, isn't it nice one particular judge can do the right thing.  I would prefer to be able to withold payment, (by witholding my purchase), of a judge who did the wrong thing.  We need both free market enforcement and free market justice or you will still have tyranny.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:22 | 2732346 q99x2
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Indecisions. I can't make up my mind as to what color I like better blue or light baige. I know what hat I'm going to wear. I think I like the confederate outfit.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:24 | 2732689 toady
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Blue is my favorite color.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:21 | 2732858 Voluntary Exchange
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If you are thinking of staining it in other people's red.... I can safely predict what will come of it. We have the world we have because of the way we think.  Take a good look at how we teach our children to think, especially by example as parents.  That might be a better place to start a revolution...


You can use your anger to motivate yourself into action that is still based on respect of your fellow man's humanity. People do what they do because of the way they "think", (or simulate thinking), and that can be changed.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:33 | 2732376 Dr. No
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Thanks Captain Obvious.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:34 | 2732378 JeffB
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I thought what they did to this CIA operative is pretty horrific and should be a wake up call to everyone, but the mainstream media continues to ignore it:


CIA WhistleBlower EXPOSES Everything!…

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:51 | 2732417 buzzsaw99
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the police perform a vital function. there are good cops and bad cops just as there are good and bad people in society. most law enforcement officers recognize the value of a solid reputation with the public and thus do not go whole hog nazi but there are exceptions (like bologna).

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:14 | 2732460 Umh
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When the situation is one to one I tend to agree with you, however when the situation is many (cops) to one or many to many they sink to a very low common denominator.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:52 | 2732555 tip e. canoe
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i call your tony baloney and raise you one Ray Kelly:

don't forget that in a pyramid scheme, ethical behavior flows downward on the back of authority.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:48 | 2732708 Overfed
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I could go along with that opinion if prior military experience were a disqualifiying factor in the hiring of police officers. Ex-soldiers make piss-poor cops.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 04:01 | 2732890 Voluntary Exchange
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@ Buzzsaw99:


How about this,  let what a cop can earn be strongly correlated to their "reputation" when we take out the monopoly middle man, (government), and directly pay cop organizations for their services based upon competence and "reputation"?  Then, if we don't like someone's services we stop buying that service.  No need for taxes, no need for politicians or elections, just full possesion of all ones personal power as the free market allows, and we get the best possible service, (according to how each individual evaluates that), in the most efficient way that a free market will create. 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:54 | 2735725 Henry Hub
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I get it. So I'm a mafia don in say Providence R.I or Chicago IL and under your system I can buy the police and the judges. I think this has already been tried and in many cases is still going on. Not really the best outcome.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 13:27 | 2734377 JimBowie1958
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the police perform a vital function. there are good cops and bad cops just as there are good and bad people in society. most law enforcement officers recognize the value of a solid reputation with the public and thus do not go whole hog nazi but there are exceptions (like bologna).

My probleem and I think this is true for a huge segment of the poulation as a whole, is the ilitarization of police in general.

Military tactics are for defeating an enemy at any cost by any means necesary.

Citizens are not the enemy and should not be treated like we are the enemy.


Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:52 | 2732421 tradewithdave
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Some video and an update on the release:

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:09 | 2732422 Umh
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Most LEOs get the job because they want to make things "better". I've met many LEOs over the years mostly via work not on the street which is a good thing. The biggest problem that I see is that they tend to be isolated from the general public. It's sort of like working for a law firm or medical practice. The lawyers or doctors are the heart of the organization and truely believe that the universe revolves around them. This leads to circular thinking when almost everyone they know has the same beliefs. They really do think that everyone else is out to get them and this just cycles over and over again for a career. The bottom line is they are not your friend. They think everyone is a criminal.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:43 | 2732540 Offthebeach
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Everyone is a criminal. So many laws, rules, codes,...fed state local. Just a matter of..investigation. Although after years and a couple of hundred thousand, or more, in defense fees and losses, you can be exonerated .

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 04:35 | 2732908 Voluntary Exchange
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How about this?

A "state" based on a monopoly of force is incapable of making "laws". Laws are deducible facts of nature.  Humans to do not make "laws", they make judgments about the facts of nature.  Humans make agreements.  They either live up to those agreements or they don't. Certainly everyone is not a criminal.  Those who intentional choose to violate others life, liberty or property are criminals.  Those who do it unintentionally are something else.  But both are liable for the damages they do.  What we have today is what you would expect to have when you pretend you can give monopoly power to decide "law" to a few people. 


And for you constitutionalits  out there:

NO, Congress does NOT have power to lay and collect taxes... You can decide to make an agreement that they do ... , but that does not bind ME, or give you the right to kill/imprison ME because I don't happen to agree with you "taxing" me to kill millions or destroy the minds of children! You don't make "laws" you make agreements! And some people have a problem keeping their agreements. And others have problems developing basic morality from their parent's example.


Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:40 | 2732638 Henry Hub
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“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime,”

Lavrenti Beria (Stalin’s NKVD chief)

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 21:57 | 2732431 gwar5
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Rick Santelli talking with a lawyer seeking proscutions in MFG. Discuss going around DOJ whitewash to every state's AJs.


Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:00 | 2732433 blunderdog
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I have a couple cop friends.  They're OK.

I share strong distrust of police with all the other anti-authoritarians out there. 

Either we...or they...JUST DON'T GET IT.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:00 | 2732435 Atomizer
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James E. Miller --- Good luck seeking help when your in a distressed situation. Your {Band Wagon & Testimonial} references will backfire. Step away from your computer and go meet your local LEO in person.


  1. Name Calling
  2. Glittering Generalities
  3. Transfer
  4. Testimonial
  5. Plain Folks
  6. Card Stacking
  7. Band Wagon

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:18 | 2732470 Umh
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You need to think two or three times before calling the police. Many times they take a manageable situation and make it worse.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:52 | 2732554 A Lunatic
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Indeed, in many cases the State steps in and presses charges even if the affected parties involved choose not to.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 00:32 | 2732695 toady
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Never, repeat, NEVER call the cops, unless you can do it anonymously. Even then you may get dragged into a bad situation.

A late night noise complaint, anonymously, sure. Anything else, NEVER!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:16 | 2735784 blunderdog
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"Never call the cops" is damn good advice, but far better is "never SPEAK TO cops."

Nothing you say to a cop can ever benefit you in any way.  Avoid, avoid.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:46 | 2732646 Vooter
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The WHOLE POINT is that the police have FORFEITED the right to be treated fairly by the public. What don't you get? They've made it perfectly clear that they intend to abuse the public at every turn, and so it's only natural for the public to feel that they now have to fight back. Did the police really think it was a one-way street? LOL...STOP WHINING.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:07 | 2732444 booboo
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three kinds of people in a cops world, cops, their family and criminals. Just so you know what catagory you're in.

 Biggest street gang in america.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:15 | 2732462 yogibear
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With the NDAA the police have even more power. Just like the KGB or Stasi they can make you disappear.

What happened to the Occupy Wall Street protesters?

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:18 | 2732468 ebworthen
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You can see it in the attitude of the cops.

If you have felt the change between 1992 and the present vote up.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:35 | 2732648's picture

I encountered my first Free Speech Zone at the Democratic Convention in 1992 outside MSG. I've got VHS video of cops telling a Hispanic Korean War vet that he couldn't stand in front of the Garden, he had to go to the Free Speech Zone at the Post Office behind the venue.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:19 | 2732475 gwar5
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Yeah, it's getting creepy out there. Starts at the top with a lawless Federal government that wants to push things as hard as they can, to provoke a response, so they can crackdown and move even faster. Very nihilistic. Destroy everything to rebuild a utopia only a dictator could love. That's the Latin marxist model. 


Ulster Report has a WH insider who reports Cass Sunstein was the source of a WH memo that said another term was needed, " any means necessary".

Then you get gutsy guys like the county judge in TX who says he'll stand at the county line in front of tanks (ala Tienenmen Square) with the armed sheriff's department before he lets Obama give away our rights and allows troops to pass.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:42 | 2732538 tip e. canoe
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when you got a nerdy white dude working for the USGuv quoting Malcolm X, it should be plain as day to everyone that we've reached well beyond the point of no return.

just be careful : all this racial shit stirring is a setup.

divide & conquer bitches : oldest trick in the book.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:24 | 2732617 KK Tipton
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And don't forget Hegel baby:

Living Outside The Dialectic: Niki Raapana talks to herself about communitarianism -
"For some unknown reason, our choices are often limited (simplified) to two. Like the presidential election between the Democrats and the Republicans, sides are boiled down into twos, as in pro-life OR pro-choice, right OR left, conservative OR progressive, etc. This same game is played between capitalism and communism, between logger and greenie, between urban sprawl and urban renewal, and between thousands of other smaller debates. Dialectical thinking requires creating and advancing false dilemmas between two simplified "opposing ideas." 



Fri, 08/24/2012 - 08:43 | 2733243 tip e. canoe
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this is excellent stuff -- thanks for the gift.

here's another gem from your links:

"The Communitarian Platform sets the guidelines for the emerging global synthesis. But if we look closer at their agenda, it's only their contrived dialectical arguments and debates that lead to their globalist solutions. This means it's only our participation (or complicit acceptance) that limits our own playing fields to "only two choices." Once we get out of the limitations imposed by dialectical thinkers, our entire perception of the world changes. Suddenly anything is possible because nobody knows the whole truth about anything. This can be both scary and exhilarating, but it's never boring. Eventually, after there's nothing left but our personal beliefs and an individual connection to our core's Higher Power, all of our senses come back into play, including our sense of humor.

One thing is abundantly clear to me, and that is ALL their ideas and options lead to death and total destruction of the human race. Alternative ideas for living are an essential ingrediant to living free from their dialectical plan."

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:22 | 2732488 americanspirit
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Can we please stop calling it "law enforcement" or the "criminal justice system"? I think "Gestapo" is probably the term closest to reality. Thugs in uniform, able to inflict bodily harm with impunity at will.

And by the way, I know for a fact that there are thousands of honorable, honest, and ethical men and women in police uniform out there - its just that the dark side is winning at every level and there is nothing they or the citizeny can do about it. There is no question - the police as an institution are the enemy. But anybody who thinks that their power is overwhelming better think back to the LA "riots". At a certain point, for all their firepower, all they can do is cower behind their armor and pray. And that time will come sooner rather than later and when it does, perhaps a few of them will realize that they have brought this on themselves.

The only real issue I have is that while the police are the enemy on one level, on another level they are merely the servants of the real enemy, and my problem with that is that while many will take up arms against the police, almost nobody will move with deadly force on the real enemy - those who control and direct the police. May I be proven wrong.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:24 | 2732493 WillyGroper
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OT--- a ST6 member that allegedly off'd bin Laden has a book to b released sept. 11. It appears TPTB have their collective panties in a wad. Perhaps they need some preperation H totables as it appears that cactus is getting a bit prickley. 

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:06 | 2732584 Glitch
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I'm not so sure TPTB have their panties in a wad over this. It just doesn't pass the smell test. The book will no doubt be read by millions thinking their getting the inside scoop. Yeah, sure they are. Just another psych-ops operation that frames the debate. Who knows what ACTUALLY occured on that day.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 01:20 | 2732744 otto skorzeny
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ask the guys that were there that day-oops-they just happened to ALL die in a chopper crash in Afghan-except for the 1 guy that is now going to write a "first hand account". NEGRO PLEAZZE

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 04:02 | 2732892 CompassionateFascist
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You are mistaken. No Seal 6 members were on the shot-down loadlifter. Different unit.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:44 | 2732541 Joebloinvestor
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A few words on asset siezure:

Donald Scott, a 61-year-old wealthy Malibu rancher, was murdered in 1992 by a joint task force (comprised of members of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, L.A.P.D., Park Service, D.E.A., Forest Service, California National Guard, and California Bureau of Narcotics ) conducting an early-morning raid on the pretense that Scott was growing pot on his property. Responding to his wife's screams, a clueless Scott grabbed a gun and confronted the intruders. Two bullets were pumped into him. No pot was found. Ventura County District Attorney Michael D. Bradbury released a report criticizing the task force for using false information to secure a search warrant. Bradbury characterized the effort as an attempt to use forfeiture laws to slice up Scott's considerable assets between the participating agencies. "Clearly one of the primary purposes was a land grab by the Sheriff's Department," Bradbury wrote. They had obtained an appraisal of the property weeks before the raid. Los Angeles County and the feds tentatively agreed to pay $5 million to Scott's survivors.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:54 | 2732545 A Lunatic
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Most of you already know that the police are under no legal obligation to protect you or serve you. That narrows their societal role down a bit.........

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:54 | 2732562 Plata con Carne
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The cop cars in my city used to say "To Protect and Serve", now they say "Service with Concern."

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:51 | 2732653's picture

When they adopt the motto "To Serve Man," get out of town -- fast.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:46 | 2732848 francis_sawyer
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My plan is to open a donut shop... (we'll specialize in the 'glazed' variety)...

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 03:30 | 2732867 StychoKiller
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"To punish and enslave" -- Barricade (the cop car) Transformers Movie

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:19 | 2735795 blunderdog
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Targets get serviced plenty, that's for sure.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 22:47 | 2732547 ShakaZulu
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When I first read Orwell's 1984 in high school (35 years ago) I thought it was ridiculously farfetched and quite scary science fiction.

When I re-read it six months ago, I thought I was reading the Story of America in 2013.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:52 | 2732655's picture

I read Atlas Shrugged in 2009 and some parts were like reading a newspaper.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 01:31 | 2732761 Cthonic
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Good Huxley interview, "The Ultimate Revolution":

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 23:07 | 2732587 Demogorgon
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Fuck the police.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 23:41 | 2736227 ShakaZulu
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Only if they look like your avatar.

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