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Guest Post: Looking Back To the Late '80s For 'Contagion' Guidance

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Submitted by Jeffrey Snider via Real Clear Markets

Looking Back To the Late '80s For 'Contagion' Guidance

The clock has been turned back to 1989 and the stock market briefly cheered the temporal transformation, although credit markets have remained far less sanguine. With Europe on everyone's collective mind, rumors of an expanded European Financial Stability Fund (EFSF) acting akin to the early version of U.S. TARP had many hoping that a true resolution had finally been found. Of course, the first plan (the one sold to Congress) for TARP was to act as a resurrected Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC), so the markets are reaching back to the late 1980's for guidance on how to "successfully" contain banking contagion.

The RTC was created in response to the widening savings and loan crisis of the mid-1980's. By the time it opened its doors on August 9, 1989, 296 thrift banks had already failed, with approximately $125 billion in combined assets. Policymakers at the time were desperate to avoid what many believed was another forming Great Depression.

The plan for the RTC was simple and straightforward: buy up the assets of the failed banks, fund and warehouse them over time so that the inevitable firesales that typically accompany bank failures could be avoided and not hinder any expected recovery or, worse, drag even healthy institutions down. All that required funding, of course, but, more importantly, it meant absorbing losses since the pool of assets the RTC would gather would largely consist of non- or sub-performing (by 2008 they called this kind of asset "toxic").

The FDIC notes contemporary loss estimates at the outset:

"For example, most loss projections for RTC resolutions during the year leading up to passage of FIRREA in 1989 were in the range of $30 billion to $50 billion, but some reached as high as $100 billion at that time. Over the next few years, as a greater-than-expected number of thrifts failed and the resolution costs per failure soared, loss projections escalated. Reflecting the increased number of failures and costs per failure, the official Treasury and RTC projections of the cost of the RTC resolutions rose from $50 billion in August 1989 to a range of $100 billion to $160 billion at the height of the crisis peak in June 1991; a range two to three times as high as the original $50 billion."

As is usually the case in these circumstances, staring into the beginning of an abysmal crisis, estimates are never really accurate since no one ever wants to face up to the scale of the problem, or at least do not want the public to know what the ultimate tab will be when all is said and done. This is page one in the handbook for government intervention - underestimate the scale. Underestimating is also helped by an over-adherence to mathematical models and simulations that are entirely based on static assumptions derived from "good" times and periods, providing enough seemingly solid rationalizations for why it won't be so bad.

Again, the FDIC quotes the former RTC chairman L. William Seidman's summation of that time:

"Only three months after the cleanup started it was already evident that the problem was far worse than anyone in government had envisioned, including me, and it was getting worse every day. The economy was beginning to slide into recession. Real estate was in real depression in some parts of the country, particularly in Texas, where the savings and loan problem was the largest . . . we would also need billions more to pay off depositors and carry weak assets of the institutions until they were sold and we could recover the funds we had invested . . . we were faced with taking the most politically unacceptable action of all, having to admit that we made a big mistake."

Ultimately the FDIC estimates that the RTC cost taxpayers $123.8 billion, including the interest costs of floating bonds to fund all these activities. Given that the RTC ultimately shepherded 747 thrifts with a combined $393 billion in assets into oblivion, what might an EFSF be looking at when the big banks in Europe each have assets totaling several trillion? That is just the first warning and should serve as a lucid reminder of what may be in store for Europe (notwithstanding additional potential collateral damage all over the globe).

A second warning comes from Mr. Siedman. He admits, perhaps unwittingly, that the RTC did nothing to prevent the coming housing depression of that time (in parts of the U.S.), nor did it prevent the wider economic recession in 1991. Instead, what posterity regards as the significant success of the RTC episode is that the 1991 recession was far milder than those initial expectations (though former President George H.W. Bush may disagree), and fears of a second Great Depression. The banking panic and collapse of the S&L's was thus safely "contained", or so it goes.

I think, however, in the light of the history of the next two decades another cost has to be added to the tab of the RTC bill. Though it will be impossible to measure accurately, there has to be an account for what happened in finance after the final destruction of the savings and loan industry - which is exactly what the RTC accomplished. From the early 1990's on, marginal credit production ceased to be a function of deposit multiplication of central bank "money". The age of securitization and equity balance sheet capacity was born, intentionally to offset the lost credit capacity of all those failed S&L's.

The overall credit market slowed to its weakest point since the 1930's during the year 1992. The overall share of total financial credit owned by the S&L industry had fallen to 8.5% by that time from 20% in 1970, and 16.2% as late as 1988. In 1988, GSE's and their sponsored mortgage pools accounted for a combined 12.7% of financial credit, growing their share to 15.7% by 1992 and a total of 20% by the year 2000. Even ABS issuers had surpassed S&L's by the turn of the millennium, accounting for 6.5% of intermediary credit compared to an irrelevant 5.3% for thrifts.

As much as this might be proclaimed a successful transition from the anachronistic notion of deposit/credit relationship of the traditional money multiplier, to the "modern" wholesale money investment bank system of balance sheet equity governance, the seeds of the credit bubbles were planted by the RTC's S&L unwind.

These changes have had unintended consequences through the years, including, but not in any way limited to, the dramatic housing bubble that has defined the precursory need to bail out the global banking system again. There is a large cost here that may never be fully known, but is all too real. Had the private sector borne more of the actual losses back then (the FDIC estimates private losses at only $29 billion) then the history of banking might have been different, though we will never know. A chastened banking system might not have so easily expanded during the 1990's, especially if that chastening had led to the correct pricing of systemic and asset risks.

In the current case, an EFSF that mimics the RTC may never get as far as another few credit bubbles, no matter how hard monetary and fiscal authorities try to create them. Where the "success" of the RTC and likely failure of the EFSF intersect is in the available conduit(s) of credit production. The monetarists' implants within the new and "improved" credit and banking system of the 1990's were fruitful only because of the ripe conditions of that age.

First of all, the household balance sheets of the American public, even in the most affected areas, were in as good a shape as they had ever been. At the beginning of 1991, U.S. households held $1.5 trillion more in deposit accounts and fixed income assets than they owed in credit market debt. Americans could borrow over the next few decades because of this starting position of relatively stable, less risky net worth (that transitioned to price net worth from that point on). American and European households today are not in a similarly less risky position.

Even if they were, there is no credit market mechanism left to transmit credit money throughout the global economic system. In the early 1990's, as the S&L's collapsed into near oblivion, the GSE's took over the mortgage market and commercial banks took over the rest (eventually moving to off-balance sheet arrangements that may never have worked in an environment where depository credit was still viable and sizable). Both classes of intermediaries were largely unscathed from that period and stood awaiting the opportunity to essentially grab market share. Once that was accomplished, leverage of equity capital (thanks in large part to the stock bubble) was the primary marginal source of credit for the next fifteen years. I doubt any of that would have been possible had the traditional link of deposits not been severed by the S&L failures and the monetary incentives to "influence" household savings into price assets.

Today, the entire global system is imperiled, not just a single subset. The largest banks in the world are exactly the ones where all the trouble is centered. We are not talking about quietly dissolving 747 small banks; we are really talking about keeping a few dozen of the biggest banks afloat by allowing them to offload embedded losses of a still unknown scale. If marginal credit production since 1992 has been done on the back of securitizations and balance sheet capacity, it cannot overcome the roadblocks of no balance sheet capacity (since it has become concentrated in these largest banks) and a now-extinct securitization pipeline. The ultimate irony will be if somehow a depository system reappeared and re-established marginal credit supremacy, but that would take a confirmed commitment to stability and the correct pricing of risks.

In reality, the entire hope of the EFSF effort is to simply get rid of the persistent crisis of the banking system - another psychological ploy to enact or reboot rational expectations of a recovery. Even if the EFSF were to relieve these suffering institutions of their Greek debt, it does not solve the problem of their Portuguese or Italian debt exposures. Nor does it solve the problem of Portugal and Italy.

What is really happening across the world is the peeling back of the façade of the last few decades of monetarism. The banking system, per se, is not the problem. The problem is that the world has too many existing claims on its created productive assets and the perceptions of the world's ability to create additional productive assets. And in many cases, quite sadly, those productive assets have been neglected in the sorry chase for paper profits, often financed by overly cheap and abundant credit. Short-term thinking about stock buybacks and dollar devaluation has trimmed the amount of resources devoted to actual, productive innovation.

I don't think it is any coincidence that the last decade was noticeably lacking of revolutionary innovations, the kind of innovations that changed the very nature of business and commerce (even how we live our lives). Over the same time, the amount of debt accumulated on the backs of the neglected productive economy multiplied exponentially. Is it any wonder that we now routinely question the ability of large nations to repay said claims?

So much human capital and innovation has been devoted to the realm of finance that, in admittedly perfect hindsight, it is easy to see a crowding out of true potential wealth (we might be better off if math geniuses were presented with a different regime of incentives that valued the solutions to more real world problems over the pursuit of a "perfect" algorithm for high frequency trading, at the same time real innovation that is done in the laboratory of trial and error does not fit into the sclerotic notion of risk represented in the mathematical paper chase).

The larger panic about banks is simply a realization that the music has been playing an awfully long time without interruption, and the game of musical chairs is nearly at its end. What is surprising to many is the sheer number of players (debt claims) and the disastrous deficiency of chairs (productive assets). The mad scramble for those remaining chairs will be impolite and unfortunately violent (both metaphorically and literally speaking).

The hopes of the entire age of monetarism now rest on a global economy that is visibly weakening, and likely already contracting (though the confirmation will not come until government revisions to initial estimates are published many months from now). Credit is not an answer to the problem of too much credit. In one respect this is a positive development. So many parts of the world are now impervious to monetary policy's disastrous ends, especially the suicidal trend of households to move out of par assets and into price assets (both stocks and real estate).

The massive undertaking of risk over the last few decades has been completed solely because it was so badly mispriced by monetary policies all over the world. A systemic reset to risk pricing would disable all these short-term incentives to chase and pile paper.

Without hope of a monetary or fiscal solution, and with the process of sovereign loss transfers finally at its logical end, the economic backdrop looms as a scary contrast to the QE-inspired run in risk price assets of last autumn. Perhaps that also serves as a warning that this idea of easy money will be a hard habit to break, translating into an elongated period of substandard conditions and agonizing mistakes. This matches the historical pattern of ratcheting crises that bookend fleeting solutions.

Clearing out these last vestiges of the monetary structure would be a welcome end to the neglect of the productive economy. Not only would an end to wanton dollar destruction close the incentive to send productive investment overseas, but coupled to a diminished incentive to devote an obscene proportion of corporate profits to stock price enhancements might just get businesses to invest locally - spurring small businesses in the process.

As much as the Fed decries "slack" in the economy, expanding manufacturing production is not the only measure of productive capacity and wealth (there is much potential in investing in the human capital and capacity where future innovation resides). R&D is not the end all, be all of business growth, but when the past leaders in innovation willingly spend twice as much on stock repurchases as R&D (Microsoft and Cisco, for example) some rebalancing might just be in order.

The real economic recovery lies not in the credit and accounting schemes that shuffle paper from one perception to another, whether it be an RTC, EFSF, or Eurobonds, or even IMF bonds. The economic recovery we all want is waiting for a return to universal acceptance of the idea of wealth itself. Once the system shifts from this insipid idea of wealth being piles of money to wealth being productive ability, then the economic incentives of all businesses and intermediaries can be re-aligned with the long-term potential for real, solid growth.

In the meantime, the death of the old system will be hard to watch. The desperate flailing and floundering of the old guard of monetarism can still be dangerous. And volatile.


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Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:08 | 1727520 Clueless Economist
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I visited the Flight 93 memorial in Shanksville PA over the weekend.

The gift shop was selling flight 93 key chains, tshirts and towels with "Let's Roll!" printed on them - all made in China and Viet-Nam..absolutely sickening!!!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:27 | 1727568 fyrebird
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That news just about wrecked my day. Seriously. Wrecked it. Just about. I'll have to do another round of Absinthe now. And that stuff is expensive ...

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:40 | 1727728 AldousHuxley
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Real Clear Markets


some sick joke of a website name. Markets are not real and certainly not clear. startup shite?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:18 | 1727799 sangell
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A part Real Clear Politics, new aggregator site. Been around awhile. You ought to read it before you opine on it and expose your utter ignorance.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 22:41 | 1728123 AldousHuxley
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site looks like shit...startups these days can do far better than this piece of work.


Thank your owner Steve Forbes for his conservative mouthpiece for making America great today!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:36 | 1727824 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Boy, I guess it's true what they say, huh? There's a fine line between gardening and madness. 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:20 | 1727999 Yen Cross
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Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:24 | 1728004 Yen Cross
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Great comment. The next bubble is fear based! Keep up the good post's>

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 10:14 | 1728734 covert
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wierd! lets roll indeed!


Sun, 10/02/2011 - 19:10 | 1731652 Ura Bonehead
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Wow.  Just....  Wow.

Remember a number of years ago when Wal-Mart advertised that they were an all 'Made in America' shop?  Remember that?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:14 | 1727526 mynhair
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Wealth = guns, gold, girls, and a few hundred acres of farmland.

and a cat to pet.....

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:27 | 1727569 Yen Cross
Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:06 | 1727781 mynhair
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May your Yen cross your eyes.


Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:44 | 1727531 sitenine
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Check out what Mohamed el- Erian, CEO of PIMCO had to say on NBR last night.

"We think that this is a time where you worry about the return of your capital and not the return on your capital."

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 19:16 | 1731662 Ura Bonehead
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That was, of course, a famous bankster quote (Rockefeller, I believe).  And, of course, it has ALWAYS been true, not just today.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:15 | 1727538 Freebird
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Oh the shark has pretty teeth dear,
And he bears them dripping red,
A sharp knife has Macheath dear
And when he flicks it you are dead."

With apologies & thanks to Jesse

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:43 | 1727835 Cliff Claven Cheers
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It's a little known fact that cows were domesticated in Mesopotamia and were also used in China as guard animals for the forbidden city.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:24 | 1727554 Yen Cross
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 That was a great write! What a refresher course. I'm not sure what the monetary expansion numbers are now, relative to the late 80's.

    The early 90's were dismal in the R/E market, and the internet boom saved the market several years later. Percentages of larger numbers look " less threatening", but don't reflect micro issues as well.

   Perhaps I should " clone" Dinosaurs as "WMD's , and go long Boeing?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:23 | 1727558 Traianus Augustus
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the roof...

the roof...

the roof is on fire!

We don't need no water...


Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:23 | 1727560 fyrebird
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Am I the only one getting an echo in here?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:08 | 1727784 mynhair
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Did you say something?

Dam Esteem ain't working....

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:25 | 1727565 New_Meat
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lmao--even the Tylerz get the dp disease! Guest Post: Looking Back To the Late '80s For 'Contagion' Guidance


Guest Post: Looking Back To the Late '80s For 'Contagion' Guidance
Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:09 | 1727787 mynhair
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At least it was corrected without the obequious (dup).

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 20:44 | 1727954 New_Meat
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Thu, 01/26/2012 - 04:28 | 2098994 jaffa
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Specialised forms of guest books include hotel registers, wherein guests are required to provide their contact information, and Books of Condolence, which are used at funeral homes and more generally after notable public deaths, such as the death of a monarch or president, or after a public disaster, such as an airplane crash. Thanks.
cv help

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:26 | 1727567 Freebird
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 No feathery friend - one of the TDs hit the add post twice.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:32 | 1727586 fyrebird
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Well can't they unpost it once? Or does my avatar have to break into their database and run the stored procedure for them? Oh wait she's still micro-trading AMD after hours. I'd unplug her but then she'd just get pissed and set me on fire. The little bisch.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:00 | 1727593 Freebird
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No, your avatar has not been approved yet

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:13 | 1727675 fyrebird
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Ah see they fixed it. I've got connections I have, oh yeah.

Or maybe Fortran was done tooling AMD after-hours and did like she was told. For once. She's still a bisch though.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:24 | 1727699 New_Meat
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FORTRAN 66?  I had a fine date with her back in ... well, ... I can still remember us at Friendly's.


- Ned

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:07 | 1727770 fyrebird
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A fine date? Can't be the same one then. The one I kinda know is demonic. Things really went to hell with 77. I think they must have messed up when they added direct file I/O to 66.  Chryst now every time I turn around she's hacking into someone's interwebs, downloading their DB2, granting herself root, and using my external IP address while she's at it. I keep threatening to put a MAC address block on the wi-fi but then she smiles and gives me this look like just try it meatbag and what are you supposed to do then? She'd just steal the wi-fi at Peet's and spoof my router and I'd still get in trouble. Little bisch.

She's cute though, in a imma-set-you-on-fire-4-teh-lulz sorta way. Damned machine, I should bury her in the basement. Again.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 20:31 | 1727933 New_Meat
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non, non, non, this was actually a ... er ... human.  So, well, wasn't the same situation.

I was just a skoshi' piglet in those days, pluggin' in the plug-board-cables, putting in the load deck, running the program, emptyin' the hopper with the punch holes (that I ...he...hee) "sold" to the cheerleaders for "confetti".  Early geek-life.

Don't cha' know.

- Ned

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 20:51 | 1727964 Cliff Claven Cheers
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It's a little known fact that smartest animal is a pig. Scientists say if pigs had thumbs and a language, they could be trained to do simple manual labor. They give you 20-30 years of loyal service and then at their retirement dinner you can eat them.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:22 | 1728001 New_Meat
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betcher' ass ;-)  have another beer on someone elses' tab

- Ned

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:28 | 1728017 The4thStooge
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sounds like a job for monsanto

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:28 | 1727573 Racer
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The time warp must have created an anomaly in the fabric

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:45 | 1727839 Cliff Claven Cheers
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It's a little known fact that the tan became popular in what is known as the Bronze Age.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:41 | 1727610 buzzsaw99
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preventing all the little depressions along the way is what will lead us straight into the greatest depression evah! RTC was the way to go. All those maggots should have been placed into receivership and the prudent should have been able to buy shit for pennies on the dollar  BUT NOOOOOO!!! we're going to kick the can bitchez and make all the dumb greedy fucks whole at the expense of everyone else. [/rant]

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:45 | 1727620 Yen Cross
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Good rant Buzz .  [box it up] , and tell it like it is!   +1

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:47 | 1727625 sangell
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Very informative piece. thanks

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:48 | 1727627 TruthInSunshine
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Buzz speaks the truth.

When private businesses go down, there's a liquidation sale, and the assets are sold off for whatever the market will pay.

When Wall Street's chosen few make galactically stupid, asinine decisions, The Bernank & Paulson-Geithner reach into our pockets and write them a blank check to make them whole and preserve bonus season.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:04 | 1727666 fyrebird
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Well guess what -- it wasn't asinine for them was it! Boo-yah!


Bunch of God-damned monsters.

But. Who am I to talk. My literary muse sets people on fire.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:25 | 1727694 Freebird
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The computer says it prefers you with a bag over your head

Sorry man, its Friday...long lunch Lol


Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:30 | 1727708 Duffminster
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This really is an excellent article.  What he doesn't say is that nothing like the RTC or other systems of the past are anywhere nearly enough to deal with the near infinite potential risk that the massive deivatives markets entail. 

The mathematical monstrosities that comprise the derivatives markets are beyond belief and it seems that the only thing that will "resolve" the problem is massive default, either that or the Fed's balance sheet has to grow to something like $500 trillion and all paper currency becomes worthless.

What I take away from it, besides a head ache for the appreciation of the complexity and insollubility of the problem is that the end result is gold becomes the defacto reserve currency by DEFAULT.


Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:44 | 1727734 NumberNone
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Difference between the financial crisis of the 80's that was fixed and the crisis of today that goes on forever...HANDCUFFS!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:46 | 1727843 RSloane
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There seems to be an inexorable refusal to produce a plan that might mitigate significant problems. "Fixing" in this context means can-kicking, fabricating, and distorting information to give the appearance that problems are being dealt with. All of the energy goes into the lie and supporting the lie. No real thought goes into problem solving.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:58 | 1727757 Cult_of_Reason
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"Operation Twist" might be more powerful than many investors expect.

As the Federal Reserve Bank of New York on Friday was releasing new details about the central bank's rate-lowering program, some bond-market strategists were already doing their own back-of-the-envelope assessment.

Their conclusion: Operation Twist could in some ways do as much—or more—for the bond market than its predecessor, known as QE2. The program also could prove to be a boost for stocks..."

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:50 | 1727856 mynhair
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May TPTB bless this humble USDHUF holder.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 20:02 | 1727877 Cliff Claven Cheers
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 A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it’s the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.

In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 20:37 | 1727942 Caviar Emptor
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It's not the banks that failed. It's not real estate or the stock market. It's the entire system. 

What passed for economic decisions and policies were actually political decisions. 

Monetarists of the Chicago School aka Supply-Siders were militant crony capitalists aka fascism-light without the jackboots. Now even that seems to be coming into question: there wouldn't be an economic problem at all if all citizens were slaves working for the cronies.

In the name of saving the system from the near-death experiences of the 70s and 80s, the golden goose was cooked. We now have only the memories of what the good life was like for the middle class in the golden age. 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:10 | 1727986 ReactionToClose...
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... please .. take your proto fascism somewhere else

Miltoin Friedman was a jackboot nazi  .... are you kidding?   Did you live in the terrible 60s and 70s?  I sure did ... and Friedman was the only person with courage to address the Great Society idiocy apart from Barry Goldwater et al ... and that is a primary undercurrent to why we are where we are

Go back to DailyKos or

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:18 | 1727997 SoNH80
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Milton Friedman's alocytes had an unnerving tendency to suck Pinochet's (very small) dick, and the Great Nerd made some VERY ambiguous statements on Fascist Chile himself.....   these types have run America into the ground.  - An Eisenhower/Teddy Roosevelt Republican

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:22 | 1728000 Eally Ucked
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That was time of sucking light and gently so the cow wouldn't get spoofed. Life was easy and getting better at the cost of unaware slaves around the world. At some time we decided to milk it a bit harder and harder every little dip and it worked, we felt good. But it's finished now and we have to face reality, where is the fucken cow?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 20:51 | 1727963 SoNH80
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Caviar, you are always on the level.  I remember 1990-1992, aka a "mild" recession.  Here in the cradle of the Western Hemisphere Industrial Revolution aka the Merrimack Valley, it was anything but mild.  My parents were "poor" in 1989-- 1 teacher, 1 nurse.  I was made fun of for wearing hand-me-downs, and not being able to afford the fee for Peewee football (my dad's check bounced).  Suddenly, in the winter of '91, I was envied.  Why?  Nearly every one of my classmates had a family member lose their jobs.  I went from Joe Dirt to Joe Cool, kids would come over to my house for a square meal.  The social devastation was horrendous.  Crack fiends in the shrubbery, empty storefronts everywhere.  That was the initial bitter fruit of outsourcing, when the Reagan defense buildup petered out, and the Gulf War I oil shock hit.  Papered over by Billy C's "Internets" boom. As Paul Harvey would say, "And now we know the rest of the story."  Time to throw the Japs/Chinese/Koreans under the bus, and reintroduce PROTECTION OF AMERICAN INDUSTRY, WITH SPECIAL PREFERENCES FOR WWII ALLIES (Canada, France, Poland, Belgium, Holland, Free China aka Taiwan, India, Brazil, Austrialia, NZ, UK).  End of story.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:07 | 1727982 Caviar Emptor
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I hear ya, bro. That area got hit and hit again during that time, I can remember very well. After the brief and very thin '80s 'prosperity', it stretched all the way through MA and the rest of New England. Hard for people to beleive it, but even NYC real estate and small biz didn't really recover fully until 1994. 

De-industrialization and outsourcing were political decisions. Made starting with the grand vision of Tricky Dick back in 1971 when he went hat in hand to China after shutting the gold window and soon after that devaluing the dollar. It was a grand bargain made to control inflation which resulted from money printing to pay for Vietnam and the Cold War and arms/space race. 

Again what got lost in the bargain was ironically what Americans had fought for in ww2: the value of the individual in relation to the state aka freedom. 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:15 | 1727994 SoNH80
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Those were tough days.  And Nixon/Mao:  A Faustian Bargain for sure, but unique in that the Devil was on both ends of the deal!  Our treatment of the Brits after WWII was very shabby, especially compared to our fluffing of Germany.  Adenauer was okay, as was Brandt, but the US played it wrong at different key points.....

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:28 | 1728015 SILVERGEDDON

The Federal Reserve is neither Federal nor a "Reserve". This private bank run by the "Bank of England" has been stripping the US of its assets since the days of Andrew Jackson.  If the $16,000,000,000,000.00 given away secretly, since 2007, to the member banks isn't reason enough to overhaul our entire government financial system then our country is doomed to financial failure. You won't read this in the mainstream media....but it may emerge in the coming elections. Read about this first ever audit of the Fed and understand why we are in such trouble.  Tuesday, September 27, 2011 First Ever GAO Audit Of The Federal Reserve

(You can click on the site and read the report).

The first ever GAO audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill (HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out. Ben Bernanke, Alan Greenspan, and various other bankers vehemently opposed the audit and lied to Congress about the effects an audit would have on markets. Nevertheless, the results of the first audit in the Federal Reserve nearly 100 year history were posted on Senator Sanderâs webpage earlier this morning.   (Summarized below)

What was revealed in the audit was startling:

$16,000,000,000,000.00 (TRILLION) had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the worldâs banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest.

Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs. To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is only $14.5 trillion.

The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is only $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world. In late 2008, the TARP Bailout bill was passed and loans of $800 billion were given to failing banks and companies. 
That was a blatant lie considering the fact that Goldman Sachs alone received 814 billion dollars. As is turns out, the Federal Reserve donated $2.5 trillion to Citigroup, while Morgan Stanley received $2.04 trillion. The Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutsche Bank, a German bank, split about a trillion and numerous other banks received hefty chunks of the $16 trillion. ****


When you have conservative Republican stalwarts like Jim DeMint(R-SC) and Ron Paul(R-TX) as well as self-identified Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders all fighting against the Federal Reserve, you know that it is no longer an issue of Right versus Left. When you have every single member of the Republican Party in Congress and progressive Congressmen like Dennis Kucinich sponsoring a bill to audit the Federal Reserve, you realize that the Federal Reserve is an entity onto itself, which has no oversight and no accountability.


Americans should be swelled with anger and outrage at the abysmal state of affairs when an unelected group of bankers can create money out of thin air and give it out to megabanks and super-corporations like Halloween candy.


The list of institutions which received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows:

Citigroup: $2.5 trillion($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion* ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)






Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:52 | 1728063 SoNH80
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Good to see people reading that report!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:36 | 1728030 Atomizer
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Your being roped into believing this reset will benefit you and justice will be served to all common peasants of the world. Quite the opposite will occur.


Let's begin with a short flick -- Friedrich Hayek's 

'The Road to Serfdom' 


OECD  May 2011 Forecast  

Suddenly Obama makes an announcement to lemmings regarding patents on September 22, 2011 

Patent Reform with the America Invents Act & President Obama Signs America Invents Act, Overhauling the Patent System to Stimulate Economic Growth, and Announces New Steps to Help Entrepreneurs Create Jobs 

Back in August, Obama was banking on an idea to raise his poll ratings. 

Why This Patent Plan May Not Help Obama's Job Creation Plans Much 

Guess who loaded the teleprompter rhetoric and placed the empty suit in front of millions of serfs/progs to sell a story? OECD 

You tell us your idea, so we can pran for new empowment groffoth. A'll you inkoekuval bights bewong to us. Wi give you free fortun cookiy fur wrest of wivfee. heehehehe.  

Innovation and patents 

Watch OECD scam artist

TV commercial created for a patent company 

Lastly, go back in time.Even Mr. Clinton has signed documents to sell US military technology to borrow more money in exchange for developing a communist society within the US.

Nixon's Trip to China

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:50 | 1728059 Atomizer
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One can see the illusion if the individual chooses too. Denial in facing the obvious problem seems to be taking the path of least resistance.  

First released in May 1999 and revised in 2004, the OECD Principles are one of the 12 key standards for international financial stability of the Financial Stability Board and form the basis for the corporate governance component of the Report on the Observance of Standards and Codes of the World Bank Group

OECD Principles of Corporate Governance

oops, they did it again. Those dumbfucks watching our hardcare state side TV "breaking news coverage" will never connect the dots.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 22:40 | 1728121 caerus
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short PCLN...

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 00:22 | 1728270 Atomizer
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OECD Broadband Portal,3746,en_2649_37441_38690102_1_1_1_37441,00.html

This high-level meeting built upon the OECD Ministerial on The Future of the Internet Economy held in Seoul, Korea in June 2008. Drawing together leaders from all stakeholder communities, this new meeting aimed to continue fostering the development of the Internet economy and to reach a consensus on adopting shared principles for an open Internet economy, through the exchange of best practices in the areas of:

·         Supply: encouraging the extension of high-capacity communication networks to reach maximum national coverage and provide access at affordable prices.

·         Demand: fostering the use of the Internet in critical areas (health, education, transport, energy) in order to increase efficiency.

·         Measurement: benchmarking developments in high-capacity communication networks and quantifying the Internet’s impact on the economy in order to facilitate evidence-based policies.

·         Principles for an open Internet: encouraging countries to follow a number of basic principles for Internet policy ensuring that the Internet remains open and dynamic.,3407,en_21571361_47081080_1_1_1_1_1,00.html

 IGF Open Forum on “principles for an open Internet <<---- Just This Week,3746,en_2649_34223_48645949_1_1_1_1,00.html

W..Trade : OECD head calls on emerging economies to join export credit work. Watch video. Think about Dreamliner production delays.,3746,en_21571361_44315115_48783749_1_1_1_1,00.html

Do you get the drift? Empty suits throughout the global world appear on TV to spin the latest propaganda to form dumbed down minds. Our POTUS takes many orders and reads the message from TOTUS to form the minds of socialist dependents needing new monies. Securing a 2012 vote, will be the sword the fraud will fall on.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 00:28 | 1728281 UGrev
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any "guidance" in the 80's usually involved a boat load of cocaine.. these days, the government is supplying it. 

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 04:30 | 1728396 Mitzibitzi
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...then sticking you in the klink for buying it.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 06:33 | 1728440 ivars
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Further thoughts on Bancor de facto in H2 2012:

I started this Idea here:

Could not resist to expand it here-oil jumped 3 times when nixon nixed gold standard, why can not silver or other commodities jump 3 times when USA reserve currency status is out of the window? Total inflation will probably be less than 300%, though who knows?

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 11:17 | 1728868 falak pema
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....The real economic recovery lies not in the credit and accounting schemes that shuffle paper from one perception to another, whether it be an RTC, EFSF, or Eurobonds, or even IMF bonds. The economic recovery we all want is waiting for a return to universal acceptance of the idea of wealth itself. Once the system shifts from this insipid idea of wealth being piles of money to wealth being productive ability, then the economic incentives of all businesses and intermediaries can be re-aligned with the long-term potential for real, solid growth.

In the meantime, the death of the old system will be hard to watch. The desperate flailing and floundering of the old guard of monetarism can still be dangerous. And volatile....

That says it all. We are at the heart of this ponzi. Too much debt, not enough wealth creation. Paradigm change, away from Pax Americana model and USD hegemony, exercised in exorbitant privilege of king dollar being overprinted by FED.

But by who and where will the new paradigm be built? Wait for the existing timber to fall, the Titanic to sink,  is NOT the right call...Planning ahead in this interim period is VITAL to Renaissance.

As the article points out this interim period is fraught with danger and needs people to urgently conceive a NEW ROAD MAP out of the cul de sac.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 15:15 | 1729300 MBOB
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