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Guest Post: Lost Principles And Social Destruction

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Lost Principles And Social Destruction

“...we are here dealing with a totalitarian state of which the philosophy included an utter contempt for the individual... any freedom of thought or action was inconceivable in the Aztec world... dependence and instability were absolute, fear reigned. Death lurked ceaselessly everywhere, and constituted the cement of the building in which the individual Aztec was prisoner... Clearly the spirituality of some aspects of Aztec life must have sprung from an old pre-Aztec tradition, later betrayed...”

Laurette Sejourne (‘Burning Water’)

The life of a nation, of a culture, is sustained by very few but very critical social circumstances.  These pillars must stand strong, maintained with the utmost care and caution; as one would fight to maintain the beat of his own heart.  If these vital foundations are dissolved or destroyed, the nation and the people contained within are subject to the most heinous of generational afflictions.  The citizenry and all that nurtures their progress, begins to die.  Slowly suffocating in a corrosive atmosphere of dishonor, men turn toward pure self interest at the expense of their greater selves, giving rise to hatred, desperation, and an environment of disturbed malleability that is easily exploited by those who seek power.

Eventually, the entire edifice comes crashing down, sometimes so far into the pits of black and terrible times that it is all but lost, even to memory…

As I look out past the near horizon of this time, and this nation, I see considerable potential for a revitalization of that which is best in humanity.  I see a population that strives for independence.  I see a return to the entrepreneurial spirit of discovery.  I see unhindered freedom of thought and action feeding a fire of creativity that inspires us to unimaginable heights.  I see new expression given license not just by the masses, but by structures of a government which truly follows the will of the common man, and not the will of an elite few.  I see America breathing full, eyes wide open and alive.

However, this potential future would have to come at a considerable cost.

America has so strayed from its founding roots that it now hungers; starving for lack of nutrients from its natural soil.  As with all other catastrophic societies of the past, we have been manipulated and conned into overlooking and over-rationalizing astonishing injustice and in some cases, unmitigated evil.  I frankly don’t know what else to call it.  There are some acts of malevolence that go beyond human weakness and inadequacy and reach into realms of calculation that are so cold, so soulless, there is simply no other way to describe them.  These actions and attitudes tend to run rampant in dying nations but are rarely singled out and criticized by those in the midst of the great fall.  Each begins with the loss of particular principles and inherent morals that are normally prized under more healthy circumstances, but are despised in times of chaos and uncertainty.

This begins with the rise of moral relativism.

All Is “Rational”…

The concept that our inherent conscience should be set aside at times in order to achieve a “greater good” is a long running philosophy that has led to some of the greatest evils mankind has ever witnessed.  From Plato’s “noble lie”, to Machiavelli’s politics of subversion, to the Marquis De Sade’s insane fantasy world without self limit; such men and those who adopt their ideals have proven that intellect alone is no magic ticket to a well balanced society.  Indeed, intellect without intuitive conscience can be a tool for rationalizing the most horrifying of crimes. 

In America today, we have quite a few moral relativists at the helm of our government, and many more who would advise them.

Ralph Peters, a retired United States Army Lieutenant Colonel and former campaign adviser to John McCain, known for his array of Islamo-fearmongo books and novels, is, in my view, a perfect example of the moral relativist in action.  Talking points from his writings are parroted constantly by Neo-Cons and now Neo-Libs who feel compelled to defend Barack Obama’s continued blood-letting in the Middle East.  Peters asserts that American troops and warfare tactics must become essentially as monstrous as the enemy we fight in order for victory to be achieved.  This is excusable, in his opinion, because America is the “good guy”, and they are the “bad guys”:

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/apr04/peters.htm

Ironically, Peters often uses the example of Rome’s genocidal attacks on Carthage as a primer for his arguments, loosely comparing the “barbarians” of Carthage to the “barbarian” Muslims of his War on Terror.  His position; that Rome was safest when they were absolute in their brutality. 

What Peters ignorantly overlooks (or perhaps deliberately overlooks) is that the fall of Rome was not hastened by outside “barbarians”, but by Rome’s own barbarity and stupidity.  Rome’s elites provoked and gave birth to enemy hoards through their relentless acts of bloodshed across the known world over the course of centuries.  America is set on the same exact path with the help of men like Peters; claiming that our principles stand in the way of our survival, and that all targets are fair game and all means are acceptable as long as we prevail.  The problem is, as Peters admits, one should never declare actual victory in the War on Terror.  Thus, by his own logic, there can be no conclusion, only an endless cycle of death perpetrated in ever more diabolical ways.

Nations that take on this mentality of pure destruction without boundaries lose all high ground in the annals of history. 

It is not enough that a country or a culture should survive; it must also be worthy of survival.  Recent debacles in Afghanistan, including the deliberate killing of 16 civilians (which I’m sure Peters would attempt to advocate), show clearly that the longer you try to occupy a foreign nation based on false premises, the more it will eventually start looking like Vietnam, along with the toll of madness and depression that overtakes soldiers after multiple tours of duty fighting a war that makes no sense to them anymore. 

Science Supercedes Conscience?

In the world of Bioethics, Moral relativism has been refined to an artform, and the prominence of bioethical arguments is expanding considerably here in the U.S.  The reason for this can be tied directly to the elitist adoption of environmental activism as a vehicle to promote morally relative social policies.  The field of climate change continues to offer the most ample venue.  If the very future of our planet is supposedly at stake due to the mere creation of carbon emissions, a product of almost every human action, then all aspects of human life come into question and eventually, lend themselves to taxation, regulation, and domination.

Despite the fact that climate research labs like those at the CRU of East Anglia and NASA still refuse to release the source data for their experiments supporting their assertions that man causes global warming, and the fact that East Anglia’s rigged computer modeling methods were exposed through the Climategate emails, the Bioethics community continues to use manmade global warming as the boogieman rationalization for scientific tyranny.  This includes suggestions of medicating the populace in order to make them more “empathetic” to the dangers of climate change:

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/03/how-engineering-the-human-body-could-combat-climate-change/253981/

The climate change dynamic invariably leads to calls for population reduction.   Arguments have been recently presented stating that because newborn babies do not have fully formed cognition, they are “not yet human” and should be susceptible to legal abortion (of course, men like Steven Pinker, Noam Chomsky, Carl Jung, and many others have proven that there are multiple inherent qualities to children at birth, and Bioethicists have no idea how much of our personality is a part of that, but hey, who am I to argue with a Bioethicist):

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/weird/Killing-Newborn-Babies-141014423.html

For the ancient Aztecs, high priests used the fake threat of the solar eclipse and the swallowing of the sun as a means to control the people and force them to conduct human sacrifice to satiate the bloodlust of their rulers.  In America today, we have high priests in the garb of pseudoscience who use the specter of climate change annihilation to seize similar control and condone clinical human sacrifice to satiate the thirst of environmental elitists for depopulation.

It Always Ends In Cannibalism…

People eating other people is just one of those aspects of extreme decline that the collapse of civilizations seem to illicit.  It goes against all natural law and even our animal instinct, but in a land where principles are rejected wholesale, it can become commonplace.  Most animals avoid turning to cannibalism because their very genetics demand that they continue the species.  This is very difficult to do when one’s own species is self consuming.  Even if conscience were never a question (which it always is), our very DNA should prevent us from such activity.  When it does occur, with extensive participation by the general populace, it is a sure sign of a culture on the edge of a full-on swan dive into epic seventh circle of hell-style calamity.

This is why anyone should feel rather disturbed and sickened at the news that companies like Pepsi, Nestle, and Kraft Foods are working with artificial flavor manufacturer Senomyx, which uses aborted fetal tissue in the creation of its products:

http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/06/01/aborted-fetal-tissue-used-to-test-new-food-additives/

The Senomyx patents which include fetal tissue use (HEK Cell lines that express hetero oligomeric taste receptors) can be viewed here:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=Senomyx&d=PTXT

Senomyx and the companies associated with it have made a wide range of assertions surrounding this practice.  Some deny fetal tissue is used at all.  Others argue that it is only used in the “testing” of certain chemical flavorings.  While the consensus is that human material is not actually present in the final food products of the companies involved, I find it a bit disconcerting to know that dead fetuses are being used to test better flavor enhancements for someone’s next soda or slice of cheese.  Regardless of how you may feel about the issue of abortion, you have to admit that this lack of respect for human remains for the purposes of profit when numerous alternatives exist is chilling. 

This news, along with the revelation that hybrid rice containing human DNA has been approved by the USDA, tells me that someone out there REALLY wants the average American to dive into at least lighter forms of cannibalism:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-440302/The-rice-human-genes.html

Given these developments, it is only a matter of time before present technological food practices take another step forward into even more questionable realms.  Is the “Soylent Green” method of cannibalism more acceptable than the Aztec form of cannibalism?  No.  Ultimately, both stem from a complete lack of regard for life; a regard that usually keeps societies from tearing themselves to shreds over the rolling boil of a stew pot.

Moments Of Clarity Lost…

The above examples of undesirable trends are only a taste of the stampede of modern tyranny that we must brace for and defend against in the near term.  The most important factor of all is to understand why a social condition causes us pain.  In regret, and in sadness, that which makes us human is most distinctly felt.  Our inner voice, once lost or forgotten, is difficult to retrieve.  The ease by which the darker side of life presents itself becomes enticing, and, the good we were once capable of fades. 

America (and the rest of the world) is at the most important stage of historical life; the stage at which the people choose to leave all reason behind to ride the mangling tides of fate, or, choose to stand and fight for a clarity of sight one could only define as individual destiny.  Regardless of the circumstances we are eventually faced with, one difficult truth remains; without a sense of honor and principle, there can be no liberty, and therefore, no society worth a damn.  Some see this as a handicap in the battle for transparency and truth in our culture.  I do not. 

In the end, HOW we fight is just as important as WHY we fight.  The example we set is just as important as the ideals we espouse.  The way we live is just as important if not more important than the length of our time on this planet.  What we leave behind after the dust settles and our land driven forms remain but cast shadows in the minds of generations we will never meet, is what makes us who we are.  Anyone who says that the “ends justify the means”, is not serving the future, but the moment, and that moment will be harsh and fleeting…

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Fri, 03/16/2012 - 10:28 | 2261622 bigdumbnugly
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This news, along with the revelation that hybrid rice containing human DNA has been approved by the USDA, tells me that someone out there REALLY wants the average American to dive into at least lighter forms of cannibalism:

i don't think he's referring to cunnilingus here, is he?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 10:40 | 2261657 Clueless Economist
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this article is all well and good, but did you hear the news that Snooky is pregnant and that Whitney Spears dies in a horrible bathtub accident?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 10:53 | 2261706 jus_lite_reading
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Wait! Whitney Spears is dead? I thought Britney Houston died from drinking healthy radioactive sake produced from healthy radioactive rice in Fukushima?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 10:57 | 2261721 Conrad Murray
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Well, if we're going to devolve the top comment slots into a Hollywood gossip party, let's get something of substance in here: Tila Tequila Suffers Brain Aneurysm After Exposing Illuminati

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:06 | 2261755 Race Car Driver
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Andrew Breitbart died of natural causes after merely threatening to expose a supposed fraud.

Strange world we live in.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:22 | 2262116 Bananamerican
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-As with all other catastrophic societies of the past, we have been manipulated and conned into overlooking and over-rationalizing astonishing injustice and in some cases, unmitigated evil-

overlooked? over-rationalized?

More like "Co-opted" I'd say...

All those .gov pensions(Fed, state and local)...all those .gov checks, benefits, seniority, perks, tenure etc...

"L'etat c'est moi" (well, not me personally. I have none of the above-but the wife does)

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 13:17 | 2267270 bigerny
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Amazing article,thank you.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 05:48 | 2267989 Disenchanted
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You're welcome.

 

edit: another one for consideration...

 

Robert Fisk: Madness is not the reason for this massacre

 

I'm getting a bit tired of the "deranged" soldier story. It was predictable, of course. The 38-year-old staff sergeant who massacred 16 Afghan civilians, including nine children, near Kandahar this week had no sooner returned to base than the defence experts and the think-tank boys and girls announced that he was "deranged". Not an evil, wicked, mindless terrorist – which he would be, of course, if he had been an Afghan, especially a Taliban – but merely a guy who went crazy.

 

continued here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-madne...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:21 | 2263948 Errol
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Bananamerican, you are quite right.  Americans will rationalize sowing death and destruction in sovereign oil-producing states so long as it permits them to keep driving their bloated "fashion statements".

IMO, the author is overlooking the beam in his eye (slaughter for oil) while promoting his agenda of discrediting climate change's mote in their eye.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:10 | 2261774 Schmuck Raker
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I guess 'Illuminati' doesn't mean what I always thought it did.

And I bet Tila Tequila had a big one.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:09 | 2261749 YBNguy
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Had to stop reading when he tried to explain the fall of Rome. He is either vague on his idea of the 'elites' role, or fails to understand the move of Roman rule to the east (future Byzantine Empire) as the main cause of west Rome's demise.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:25 | 2261784 GeneMarchbanks
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So do you apparently.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:25 | 2261843 ebworthen
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I remember something about deficit spending and the devaluation of the currency.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:43 | 2261918 Milestones
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Nonsense! By 300 AD Rome was already long down the road to collapse.            Milestones

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:51 | 2262551 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Rome collapsed because they consumed more than they ever produced. Their economy grew as they invaded and conquered productive neighbors. When no neighbors worth invading were left, they taxed the citizens and colonies into economic squalor. Sound familiar?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:20 | 2262670 JohnKozac
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The decay of the America is largely a cultural issue:

Ind. basketball dad knocks coach unconscious because he forced daughter to run laps

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/indiana-basketball-f...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:04 | 2261743 ebworthen
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"i don't think he's referring to cunnilingus here, is he?"

Depends - if they got the human DNA from this girl he just might be ;-)

(PG-13)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k79ry8sg2FY/TdIY5Fd6W3I/AAAAAAAAB5M/hZqCXLgtKFU/s1600/Asian+Hot.jpg

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:54 | 2262248 prains
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Cheers

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 08:55 | 2264670 Vlad Tepid
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What sort of Prancer arrowed that one down??

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:23 | 2261837 Gully Foyle
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bigdumbnugly

The SIL just instituted saying grace before meals.

I wondered if she and the little man have the same practice before oral stimulation?

I am not allowed to ask them.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:27 | 2262411 RollinsArline3
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my roomate's mom makes $83/hr on the computer. She has been fired from work for 9 months but last month her pay check was $18339 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read more on this web site .....  http://bit.ly/FPPP3j

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:46 | 2263540 Turgid_Member
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Sure your homosexual roomate's mom makes that kind
of money. But most people aren't inclined to
sit all day at a porn site's webcam performing
unnatural acts with a casaba.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 10:40 | 2261638 smb12321
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Technology has and will bring incredible wonders, changing us and our culture forever.  Looking back 20 years from now things will seem quaint. But even if our prejudices, likes, dislikes, loves and hates are simply chemical secretions of genes (probably they are) they are still authentic and meaningful.  Kindness is more of a human trait than evil. 

Empires and cultures rise and fall. We can almost sense the winds blowing from West to East, a sort of dynamism and that's incredibly sad because we have much more to offer (and have offered much more) that the new powers that wannabe.

I do find it ironic that progressives are now in the forefront for an all-powerful authoritarian state and attribute this to the politicalization of all human activity.  What we eat, wear, read. say, watch, speak, buy or look at is now seens as simpy a political statement and thus, some choices are good and others are evil.  That is the start of the acceptance of a regime of authoritarianism. 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 10:55 | 2261713 duo
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The war on terror is becoming the equivalent of the Aztec priests needing to sacrifice humans every morning to insure the sun comes up (wouldn't want to make it mad).

Riddle me this:  If they outlaw abortion, where will they get the fetal tissue needed to make this flavor enhancer?  Nestle vs the Catholic church?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:17 | 2261808 DOT
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Cell lines are perpetuated as required.

Patents are granted when uniquiness is found eg. HeLa.

 

Thanks, Henrietta, you have saved thousands from a too early death.

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:18 | 2262102 ATM
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If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.  - James Madison 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:19 | 2262106 MeetTozter
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Roman Catholic Priest sperm

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 10:56 | 2261718 mayhem_korner
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I do find it ironic that progressives are now in the forefront for an all-powerful authoritarian state and attribute this to the politicalization of all human activity. 

 

Why do you find this ironic?  Totalitarianism is the intent of the progressive agenda.  It is veiled in utopian sounding things like egalitarianism, equality, ecological stewardship, etc. etc.  But it is all oriented toward the individual being suboordinate to the state. 

This article does a nice job of neatly pulling the mask off of environmentalism as nothing more than a theology arguing for centralized control over all molecular motion.  That's the "progressive" agenda.

Plato, Marx, Thomas More, etc. all claimed to espouse uber-progressive societal models.  I'll take John Locke's framework over those any day.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:01 | 2261735 Conrad Murray
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Beat me to it, and quite well stated. This is a good book for anyone interested: Omnipotent Government: The Rise of the Total State and Total War by Ludwig von Mises

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:54 | 2261992 Silver Dreamer
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Plato: An excellent early example of fascism.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:45 | 2262202 Silver Dreamer
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Have the junkers even read Plato's work?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:36 | 2262468 mayhem_korner
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Objection!  Presumes the junkers can read.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 07:51 | 2264630 nmewn
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Objection! Presumes the junkers could comprehend it, even after reciting the words ;-)

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:25 | 2262124 memyselfiu
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Please explain this 'environmentalism as theology'. Sounds interesting. Are you saying that environmentalists suspend all logic and reason to believe in the greater good of our biosphere and its inhabitants, or that the earth is god?

This article pulls the mask off nothing btw.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:54 | 2262563 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Yes, most environmentalists believe what they are told by the other "initiated". It does not matter that all evidence points against their beliefs.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 09:07 | 2264677 Vlad Tepid
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I don't think it's the cult of environmentalism per say as much as it is the cult of Orthodox Science.  Books have been written about how the scientific process has been retarded by an orthodoxy that seeks to stifle questioning of the status quo, for various reasons ranging from political to economic, but deeper thinkers among the scientific community have begun to see a pattern of orthodoxy that makes scientists of the inquisitive (real) variety as Galilean (as in Galileo) targets for persuction and ridicule.  This ranges from global warming questioners to physicists working in string theory to a biologist SWEARING that they just saw a coelocanth in a Madagascar fish market.  These anti-science scientists take their belief in the status quo on faith not experimentation and defend it with a fervor only see in religious devotion...so what else to call it but - religion.  Radical (not rational) environmentalists are the monastic zealotsand latter-day flagellants of this movement.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:05 | 2261753 Gully Foyle
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smb12321

"Kindness is more of a human trait than evil. "

Can you be more full of shit? First one mans evil is anothers blessing, evil is a fucking relative term. Second how the fuck would kindness be more human than evil? If at all they would be goddamned equal.

"But even if our prejudices, likes, dislikes, loves and hates are simply chemical secretions of genes (probably they are) they are still authentic and meaningful."

Tell that to a Schizophrenic.

CUT THE FUCKING HIPPY SHIT TALK!

 

Science will take us to places unimagined, but we will be held back bo our outdated principles and prejudices. Humanity craves a static lifestyle, we don't handle change well at all.

We shoot ourselves in our own foot by not accepting the reality of an ever changing world.

 


Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:10 | 2261773 Race Car Driver
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Halleluja.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:20 | 2261821 GeneMarchbanks
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'Science will take us to places unimagined, but we will be held back bo our outdated principles and prejudices. Humanity craves a static lifestyle, we don't handle change well at all.'

Whoa Gully! Science isn't glue-huffing, mmkay?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:26 | 2261848 Gully Foyle
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GeneMarchbanks

Whoa dude, in the seventies I would never have imagined I could hold whole libraries of music, or porn, on a tiny little box.

Back then Breast Cancer tended to be a guaranteed killer.

So yeah Science applied is a very heady experience.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:34 | 2261879 GeneMarchbanks
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Ah, I see. It's not so much 'science' that you're speaking of but the worship of trivial techno-trinkets. I do enjoy my Prague whores but I'm old fashioned. Well, to each his own I guess.

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 15:52 | 2263103 XitSam
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"in the seventies .. blah blah"

Didn't read much science fiction then, did you?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:36 | 2261889 Maghreb
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Hate to go full doomer but you seem to have a huge amount of faith in Science, may i remind you of the guys doing the science. Scientists, as every bit as flawed as the rest of humanity. Those outdated principals and prejudices as fucked up as they are.....we'll call them religion for arguments sake........they've been keeping people alive for thousands of year. This Science shit has given that same repeat offender humanity the ability to blow up the world after about 150 years. Think back to the 50 years the world spent with nucleaur weapons pointed at each other arguing whether private bankers or central planners should wield total power over our economies.

 

World is moving on no doubt, but its the final stop i'm worried about....

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:36 | 2262175 memyselfiu
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SO what you're saying is that science is to blame for the short sighted ignorance that all of humanity suffers? Maybe we should have stayed in the cave in order so that we can't destroy the world....

The scientific method, applied properly, has saved millions. To dismiss it as 'this science shit' betrays your utter ignorance of even the very fingers that you are using to type with.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:41 | 2262484 Winisk
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For all the science bashing I have yet to hear a critique of the scientific method (applied properly).  And yet they all are quick to enjoy the goodies it brings to the table.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:42 | 2262502 Maghreb
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I like the scientific method, devising experiments based on logic and reason and what not. Problem is Science gets hijacked by lunatics used an excuse for god knows what. Communism was a Science, Eugenics was a science, Climatology is a Science. Both gave small groups of individuals power over vast masses and the ability to do immense harm. These weren't new ideas, i've read the same thing a dozen times, its just used as a way to convince people to do things. Give us your shit or you die/they must die and we must take their shit.

Science is just understanding and manipulating nature. Humans do this to acquire power. I wouldn't mind so much but we are harnessing immense amounts of power and are capable of doing huge amounts of damage. 1000 men profit from a nucleaur power plant that taints the Earth for 10,000 years. Humans can't and won't think in those time frames. We crossed a threshhold with the Manhattan Project. Why not consider crossing back, forgetting a few things........

The most frightening thing for me is and why this article resonates with me is lunatics have been having wet dreams about this shit for thousands of years. Live for ever, destroy my enemies for eternity. I'm not sure about God but i know alot of people that thought they were him during the course our history. Science has given them that power. It was always about that from the earliest scientists they were there to push the boundries of knowledge and understanding for the INDIVIDUAL. They were a bunch of Occultists, Newton, Bacon, Goethe, countless others, their methods were good, but the spirit that pushed them onwards was self glorification. The Enlightenment and the championing of Science wasn't about the millions that could be saved it was about the people that would glory in Saving them........or destroying them.

I'm not ignorant i just agree with the Unabomber on more than a few points.

I'm not pushing to abolish Science but i am going to preach caution in its support and application. This little thread was started by someone talking about human emotion being "merely" chemicals. I'm pretty sure the Scientists working on MkUltra or some smack head in a gutter feel exactly the same way about that statement.

I beg to differ........

 

 

 

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:45 | 2262783 Cathartes Aura
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would that more people truly understood what you're saying here. . .

Problem is Science gets hijacked by lunatics used an excuse for god knows what.

 

Science is just understanding and manipulating nature. Humans do this to acquire power

 

The Enlightenment and the championing of Science wasn't about the millions that could be saved it was about the people that would glory in Saving them........or destroying them.

blindly worshiping "science" is just as harmful to humanity as blindly worshiping a god (there are many current gods, let's just acknowledge that in order to have YOUR god over all, the OTHER gods can't be "true" - rinse, repeat).  note that people set "science" as an opposition to "god" - duality argument, "rational vs. irrational"  "logic vs. illogic" - it's in the language, this versus thinking - and if you're educated into it, then it frames your THOUGHTS until you can see through the mind-training.

thanks for a thought-full post - +100 internet points. . .(and a free pic)

http://www.shedworking.co.uk/2009/08/unabomber-vs-thoreau.html

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:57 | 2262825 Mysteerious Roo...
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Precisely! Go to the head of the class.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:52 | 2262809 Mysteerious Roo...
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Reductio ad absurdum.

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