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Guest Post: Is the Market Rally "The Real Thing" or Just More Perception Management?

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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

Is the Market Rally "The Real Thing" or Just More Perception Management?

A few charts call into question the current euphoric rally in most global stock markets.

The growing consensus among technical and fundamental analysts is that the stock market has bottomed for the year and is now in full rally mode. There are five basic arguments in favor of a "real thing" rally that runs higher for months to come:

1. Stocks almost always rally in November-December, and end in positive territory in the 3rd year of the presidential cycle (2011)

2. September data in the U.S. was mildly positive, fears of recession have faded

3. Corporations like Google and Catepillar are posting blow-out earnings

4. Europe is finally solving its debt crisis in a comprehensive fashion

5. China is still growing and thus is still the tugboat pulling the global economy ahead

There are seven factors on the other side of the ledger:

1. The ECRI announced the U.S. is already in recession: ECRI Recession Call: ‘You Haven’t Seen Anything Yet

Recession is a binary: the U.S. is either in a recession or it isn't. ECRI says it is, the stock market is assuming it isn't. Only one can be correct.

Question: if the U.S. is already in recession, how can that be positive for incomes, tax revenues, sales and ultimately, corporate profits and stock valuations? Bulls have to answer this question; ignoring it is not an option for any risk-conscious investor.

2. China's stock market has failed to join the global euphoria: The Shanghai Indicator (dshort.com) has fallen to multiple critical support levels and is still declining.

Question: if China's growing so wonderfully, then why isn't it own stock market soaring? Perhaps the data supporting the official story of 8-9% growth (as usual) is more "perception management" than reality. If it was real, then why aren't Chinese stocks soaring along with other global markets? Once again, Bulls have to explain this disconnect; ignoring it is not an option for any risk-conscious investor.

3. Despite its 7% rally yesterday, copper is in a clear technical decline. Given its historical role as leading indicator of stock market trends, then this suggests global markets are due for a massive decline, not a rally. Bulls have to explain this disconnect; ignoring it is not an option for any risk-conscious investor.

Here is a chart of copper, courtesy of The Chart Store (subscription required to access a vast array of financial and economic charts):

 

4. If the E.U. solves its debt problems by effectually transferring bad bank debt to the sovereign balance sheets of Germany, France, Finland, et al., then taxpayers will see their incomes significantly reduced by austerity and higher taxes, in both debtor and "savior" nations.

Incomes and GDP are already declining in the weaker EU nations which have supported Germany's export-dependent economy by importing billions of euros of goods from Germany. What happens to German exports in Europe as its customers' economies contract?

Question: how can lower incomes, and thus lower sales and lower profits, possibly be supportive of higher stock market valuations? There is no free lunch; the hundreds of billions, and possibly trillions, of euros needed to save the banks and bondholders from losses will come out of the pockets of taxpayers and recipients of State/government payments. That necessarily means those taxpayers/recipients will have less income and thus less money to spend. More government revenue will be devoted to interest payments, and so less will be available to transfer to citizens.

Question: will the supposed benefits of saving large European banks via massive taxpayer-funded bailouts offset the declines in personal income which the bailout will require? How is a dramatic decline in personal income supportive of higher profits and higher stock valuations? Bulls have to answer this question; ignoring it is not an option for any risk-conscious investor.

5. Technically, the chart of the S&P 500 has some bearish elements:

 

 

 

-- A classic megaphone pattern has emerged, a pattern which is usually a topping formation.

-- The current rally could be forming the right shoulder of a long-term head-and-shoulders top. If we examine the "head," we discern a classic head-and-shoulders pattern; the break of the uptrend set up a test of the neckline, and now the current rally is the right shoulder of a multi-year top.

A decisive rally above 1,350 to new highs would of course negate this pattern.

There are also some similarities to the 2008 time frame just before the meltdown. For example:

 

 

6. The market's valuation is still extremely rich in terms of the nation's GDP:

 

 

7. Perception management. Since the Powers That Be have publicly proclaimed the stock market is their chosen proxy of the American economy, then we have to ask: would it be in the interest of the Status Quo to engineer a rally? The answer is obviously yes; a decline in the market would negate the official happy story that everything's fixed, there is no recession, etc.

Then we have to ask: what's the best way to engineer a rally? Answer:

A. Crank the market higher in light-volume periods such as pre-market and the last 30 minutes of trading. Evidence: most of the big gains of the past three weeks have occurred in pre-market or the last 30 minutes of trading.

B. Manage perceptions of future Federal Reserve/Central Planning "easing" via rumors of yet more buying of mortgage-backed securities, speeches by top toadies discussing more "easing" programs are in the works, and all the other usual techniques of Central Planning propaganda.

C. Goose the markets above key technical levels, which then triggers computer "risk-on" buying that turns a Central Planned rally into a self-sustaining "the real thing" rally.

Technically, this rally hasn't shown the big volumes of "real rallies." That in itself should spark some skepticism about the nature of the rally.

Bonus chart: As The Chart Store's Ron Greiss notes on this chart, analog charts are interesting but not necessarily predictive. Nonetheless, they offer potentially valuable "food for thought." This one is worth studying, as the present has tracked the 1907 chart to an uncanny degree. We can posit that the only reason the market didn't roll over last year was the Fed's "surprise announcement" of QE2. Perhaps this extend-and-pretend strategy will be followed by the decline witnessed in the 1907 chart.

 

 

For a similar chart, please see Doug Short's Real Mega-Bears Chart which overlays the current SPX against the Depression-era Dow and the post-crash Nikkei.

Has perception management replaced fundamentals as the foundation of all stock market rallies? Investors with an eye on risk would be well-served to ponder the question, and its many implications.

 

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Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:38 | 1808449 danger close here
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How much has earnings growth been the direct result of dollar devaluation?

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:45 | 1808482 eureka
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I'll answer with a question… Is the Fed calculating to kill, not just savers, but demand?

Less demand = falling commodity prices.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-25/inflation-peaking-in-u-s-with-p...

What do y'all think?

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:03 | 1808554 AnAnonymous
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Ben "True USA patriot" really worked his ass off to protect US citizens' best interests.

Well, all the gibberish about eliminating the non consumers in an overconsumption crisis is entertaining but yields little when applied.

On the reverse, pushing other big gluttons out of the path, preventing them from guzzling resources, delivers much more.

Ben Bernanke knew that and let US citizens enjoy their recess by wallowing in cheap propaganda on how killing third worlders who do not consume would free resources, but as the man he is, he couldnt not allow himself not to deal in reality and had to kick the other gluttons out of the path to protect US citizens' best interests.

Ben Bernanke is a USA hero.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:28 | 1808649 Ruffcut
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Ben is a lying sack of shit, times a billion.

Ananal, is a complete asstroll. I hope you choke on your boyfriends dick.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:59 | 1808862 buyingsterling
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If the fed's actions benefit US citizens, then you and your fellow countrymen are the dumbasses. You're getting bent over and can't do anything about it - you get no benefit at all. Why are you so weak and impotent?

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 15:30 | 1809550 eureka
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ANANONYMOUS - Your theory might be interesting if you could identify the "other big gluttons" who are now "pushed out by Bernanke" - as opposed to the median US household who is factually pushed down...

- even then, if you were to deliever such "proof" of your theory - it would still leave Bernanke identified as a submissive, co-responsible servant of the evil US Elite Empire - because, it is by definition evil to disenfranchise, empoverish and financially enslave anyone - i.e. it does not matter if you do evil to "your own" or to an "other"

EVIL IS AS EVIL DO.

 

 

 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 22:14 | 1810867 GardenWeasel
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@AnAnonymous:

"...but as the man he is, he couldnt not allow himself not to deal in reality..."

dude, you have 3 "nots" in one sentence.  what are you trying to say????

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:50 | 1808501 TruthInSunshine
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What MARKET RALLY?

Equity markets are back, on a nominal basis, to where they were 13 years ago, and on a real, inflation-adjusted basis, to where they were 26 years ago -

- and this doesn't even count the trillions in 'equity value' that went to $0 or pink sheet level, with those stocks being tossed out of the major indexes (ahem, part of the fraud that is the equity investing game), that aren't now even counted in the carnage tally, such as when General Motors was tossed out of the Dow, ultimately to reach $0, with the Dow being 're-jiggerd' (as it has so many other times) otherwise called 'survivorship bias (the "dirty" topic Jeremy Siegel will try and avoid speaking of at all costs).

I think we've turned Japanese (but not for the exact same reasons). Nikkei has gone from 40k to 8k from 1989 to today - we're going to be showing similar long term performance on U.S. and European indexes going forward Iin addition to what we've already declined from the 'top').

Secular bear market has been with us and will continue for a long time.

The Great Deleveraging is going to be a bitch, bitchez.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:54 | 1808523 Thisson
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I agree with your thesis, but the market hasn't agreed with me.  My S&P Short ETF position is still significantly underwater, 3 years after realizing that we're repeating Japan's mistakes. 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:40 | 1808736 El Viejo
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Yeah, my foray into FOREX with a seasonal short the Yen went terribly wrong also. (lucky for me it was just an experimental amount) It took a nuclear meltdown to get some of it back, but I think things are about to take a BIG turn. I give it 3 months tops.

 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 16:41 | 1809897 Barometer
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You should check out some of the old investor newsletters from Hugh Hendry about the dangers of being short the Yen....especially if you think China is about implode. Carry trade repatriation BichEz

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:50 | 1808806 CvlDobd
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Sounds like some reading on risk management and harvesting positions via price targets or stop losses is in order. 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 13:05 | 1808865 El Viejo
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Ha! yeah, I learned a lot about FOREX real quick and I also learned about seasonal investing in bizzaro times such as these, but I'm still holding the relatively small amount (a few thou). But this brings up the very good point made by the author concerning an election year. Will others repeat my mistake by investing in the pre-election year rally this Fall?

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 13:10 | 1808929 TruthInSunshine
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Here's a micro example of the macro thesis: Whitney Tilson was early on his Netshit call. He shorted too soon. But he was right about the fundamentals, subscription outlook, and most other trending real data points.

Anyone looking at a 3 year chart and getting hopped up on Hopium regarding equity fecal matter will be just as wrong, long term (I'd argue intermediate term, as well), as Tilson was over his barely too-short horizon (look how right he looks just after his shorts got taken out).

Head & Shoulders (and then knees and toes for 'investors' - bagholders) of equities. The long term chart of equity markets coupled with a sane, rational analysis of economic fundamentals & the state of the health of nation-states (with extremely few exceptions) knows that the deeply entrenched trend has already painted a bearish portrait.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:56 | 1808531 SheepDog-One
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Yea, hooray, markets are back....to where they were in 1999, throw in dollar devaluation probably mid 80's levels. Yea markets are doing so good.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:01 | 1808550 TruthInSunshine
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Forgot to add:

The great AUM scam will not be the way to build one's own fortune (while fleecing 'valued investors') over the next 20 years, as it was over the past 20, as even themost sheeplish sheeple know that equity markets are the biggest scam ever devised and marketed (having sovereign nations borrow money from loan sharks and force their citizens into debt servitude  is technically bigger, if onbly by the numbers, but I digress).

 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:08 | 1808579 rocker
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Just like our Banking system being held up by artificial means, so is the rigged stock market.

Actually, it looks like Europe might just do the right thing. Let the system Flush and let the bond holders take their looses.

Then; after the flush Europe might be the best investment in the World.

Meanwhile the U.S. Markets are still rigged and looks like they will be for another 10 years.

T.R. Price reports that redemtions were at a all time hight.

We are Worse than Japan now.     Even Europe will be better than our markets.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:22 | 1808588 TruthInSunshine
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Thisson - I'm not talking about 3 years. Pull up a chart. The market has spoken; the market has gone nowhere in nominal terms in 13 years and has lost about 30% or more in inflation-adjusted terms. Any retail investor has done far worse, due to various schemes/scams, index ticker symbol re-jiggering (hello, General Motors shareholders, and many others of many more companies that magically go "poof" and are replaced with the newer, better stock du jour).

The 'equity markets' are a rigged game that allow NYC's economy to thrive as the esteemed people of finance and investing play by a system whereby they can't lose (they make big fortunes when the market soars, and they make smaller fortunes when the market invevitably crashes, rinse, lather and repeat - hello 2/20, 4/40 and even moreso).

For every winner (i.e. the 'professionals' who are paid regardless of market performance and the performance of their own horrid calls) of the equity market game of wealth destruction, there are far, far more than 1 loser. That ratio is about 1 to 50 (and 1 to 1,000 once the inevitable taxpayer extracted bailouts factor into the equation).

 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 15:03 | 1809439 DCFusor
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On the other hand, this whole time I've been making money swing trading, both sides, and pretty good money too.  It's true that buy and hold, particularly in broad jiggered indexes is not living up to the myths put on about it.  And the brokers that tell you to hold through dips because you'll miss the bounce have ALWAYS been totally full of it, and too lazy to trade well -- their fear isn't that you'd miss the bounce, it's that when you get in, it won't be with THEM for more juicy fees.

A smart behaviorist/TA does quite well no matter the markets overall.  All you need is motion to make money, you don't actually care which way or on what.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 18:01 | 1810150 twotraps
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+1000

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:40 | 1808456 LawsofPhysics
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Losing the least is now winning, good questions, certainly all the world can't be Japan can it?  Oh wait, mars just called, don't worry they will be happy to purchase earth-made products.  We are all saved, let the "growth" charade continue.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:43 | 1808460 SheepDog-One
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WTF we've suddenly gone from Eurozone implosion with 60% haircuts, end of the road for printing, 100% debt/GDP, to a analysis of markets based upon historical yearly trends? Sorry I cant even begin to take this seriously.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:17 | 1808605 SAME AS IT EVER WAS
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Tyler, I missed this rally,although I almost bought some itm sept 112 spy calls for 2 that closed at 10. The next time a whole continent is about to implode and render a 5x return in 3 weeks, PLEASE! let me know!

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 19:41 | 1810443 prophet
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Happens all the time ....

SLV 32 Call 4 banger today, in a few hours  

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:41 | 1808462 The Swedish Chef
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"Europe is finally solving its debt crisis in a comprehensive fashion"

 

What the fuck have you been smoking?

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:45 | 1808481 Robot Traders Mom
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Slow down chief, and read.

He posted it as an arugment people are saying in favor of a recovery, IE Steve Lies-man.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:51 | 1808511 SheepDog-One
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Right, but hes not arguing against it much.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:56 | 1808530 AnAnonymous
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Is it required? Just looking at the circus European US citizens are running is enough to give serious hints.

Usually, when US citizens start to mock their own duplicity (as Merkel and Sarkozy did when asked about Italy capacity to reform), bad days are ahead.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:58 | 1808542 SheepDog-One
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I think it is required, every Wall St media news outlet is waving pom poms about the 'great recovery' so I think more people need to take a firm stance blowing that position out of the water instead of 'implying' it.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:58 | 1808540 Robot Traders Mom
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C'mon sheep dog, you are smarter than that. He spends the whole article talking about all the bullshit going on right now.

You are on here everyday and have read Charles Hugh Smith. He's about the biggest bear and cynic out there. In no way is he saying anything but we are fucked.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:00 | 1808547 SheepDog-One
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He does say it, but sure takes him a long time getting around to it, then its done thru a wink and a nod. I get his style, but it would be nice to have more people come out calling direct bullshit on it.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:23 | 1808637 LongSoupLine
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Something about bees and honey rather than vinegar comes to mind with that style.

Example:  Look at Ron (vinegar) Paul.  He's direct, blunt, honest, no pulled punches. Hence, not in with the front-runners (hell, he's not even mentioned).  I'm not saying he should change who he is, or what he believes in, but if he truely wants to effect change, he's going to have to play the "popularity game".

Obama played the "popularity game" to perfection and...now?...well, he got the big seat and is doing what he "intended" to do. (read: Chicago politics).

 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:09 | 1808580 The Swedish Chef
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But people that say that actually believeing it are counted on one hand without having to use all fingers. Then there some liers that just say it but general consensus amongs people who got permition to speak freely is that there is no solution in sight.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:52 | 1808492 SheepDog-One
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I dont get that statement at all....total chaos out of Europe is deemed as 'Solving its crisis in comprehensive fashion'? 

This article by Charles is wishy washy, I usualy like his stuff.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:42 | 1808463 disabledvet
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If no less than Albert Einstein was concerned by the power of the media in his adopted land of America then of course we must assume perception becomes reality. The media complex makes money. What else do we expect? If your question is "a recovery with unrest" ...

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:42 | 1808468 orca
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It is all a big pile of BS. We all know it, even Jim Cramer knows it. So yes this bitch can meltup, but not without a corresponding move in PM. So we can have fun at the market, like my girlfriend just lóóóves to go to markets too, but in the end it will come to nothing. Only tangible will (relatively) save you after the endgame has come to pass.
Keep on laughin' folks, they can't take that away.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:43 | 1808470 Piranhanoia
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Can anyone point to real time futures charts?   nifty has been down for days

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:44 | 1808477 ghostfaceinvestah
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The stock market is a policy tool, always has been, but it really started being used heavily once Geithner took over Treasury.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:46 | 1808486 KandiRaverHipster
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meh i've never taken the Shangai index seriously, all you need to do is invest in companies with 8s in their tickers.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:48 | 1808490 writingsonthewall
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"1. Stocks almost always rally in November-December, and end in positive territory in the 3rd year of the presidential cycle (2011)"

Is that an argument?

 

This sounds like an old wives tale - like "the wind always blows from the east on sunny days"

Sounds a bit desperate to me.

 

The markets know FUCK ALL - which is why they are currently panicking at the cancellation of tomorrows (never going to resolve anything) meeting.

 

Those of us who do not gamble in markets saw this coming a long way off.

It's all about history and trends - not tips, tricks and market fundamentals.

 

I mean look at the reaction to BP today - a big boom based on the MSM announcement of BP 'doubling it's profits' - forgetting to mention this is 'doubled up' from a post Gulf profit disaster.

No mention of Bob flogging shed loads of assets to raise cash to protect the company from huge payouts which contributed to this profit.

Any moron can see BP's short term gain is going to be long term pain - except market morons of course who jump to the tune of wankers like Cramer and their cheerleaders of prestitution.

 

Markets are now playing the game of 'second guessing Government' - watch how they squel when the Government finally does something they didn't expect.

 

...like allowing Greece to default with a 80% haircut for example. That will expose the sheep from the wolves.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:49 | 1808498 SheepDog-One
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If the caterpillars in Oct have more red hairs than yellow hairs....BULLISH!!

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:49 | 1808494 Boston Wealth
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Market Rally you say?

How to catch over 100 ES (E-mini S&P 500 futures) point rally!

http://www.bostonwealth.net/2011/10/24/catching-over-100-es-point-rally/

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:49 | 1808495 0cz
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Ridiculous that there is even a term 'Perception Management' that is used in regards to economics. 

Bob:  It looks like it is pouring rain outside.  Better grab my raincoat. 
Jim:  That is just your perception.  My real-time meteorological analysis shows that it isn't raining now and it probably never will.  Only a moron would wear a raincoat today. 

That is their 'Perception Management'. 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:52 | 1808516 Syrin
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As goofy as your analogy may be, that does seem to be what is happening with the market.   It (and the masses) is acting in defiance of the economic realities we face.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:13 | 1808591 toady
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Years ago I had a manager that was into 'managing perceptions'.

She was always telling me things like 'your department is percieved as...' And 'this employee is percieved as..'

I eventually had to tell her 'my department IS..' 'this employee IS... There is no perception, what is IS.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:40 | 1808733 LongSoupLine
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(conversation continued):

Bob: But, it is raining and I'll get wet.

Jim: Perhaps, but even if you do get wet, the Fed will provide us special few with free hairdryers, laundry service and dry custom taylored British suits to counter our stupid decision to not wear raingear.  The best part is, the middle class will pay for all this as we repeatedly tell them that not only is it NOT raining, but even if it was, it's transistory.

Bob: Yeah but the reality is, it's raining so hard, it's beginning to flood!

Jim:  When it floods from the raining, we will get super pumps from the Fed, again paid for by the middle class.  However, as their (pumpless) homes wash away, we will inform them that water front real estate values are going up, and direct blame to politicians and insurance companies who won't help them.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:51 | 1808508 Syrin
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To me, believing in the market right now is like believing in flying pink elephants.   You have to WANT to believe it.   All major economic indicators tell us something REALLY bad is going to happen sooner than later.   The masses don't know where else to store their money.   Banks, bonds and mutual funds.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:55 | 1808525 Ronaldo
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Did you see them flying around TOO??

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:51 | 1808509 Bansters-in-my-...
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Hey ..of two minds dude/or dudette.

Try using of "one" mind.

Your using "charts".to figure things out...???

Ya....okee dokkee...

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:52 | 1808515 geotrader
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"5. China is still growing and thus is still the tugboat pulling the global economy ahead"

 

If it wasn't China, it would be ________ (fill in the blank).

 

'Perception Management'

Perception is reality. 

The powers that be can make this thing float/rise on air.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:54 | 1808521 SheepDog-One
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Or tank the hell out of it whenever they feel like it.

Banksters facing 60% haircuts must be drooling looking at all those 401K's and pension funds sitting there all fat and slow today.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:54 | 1808519 Ronaldo
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Interesting perspectives that may warrant staying out of this market, and it depicts data in place of my GUT feeling pretty well. LOL

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:54 | 1808520 i root for that...
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love to see some postings like this -- just to get some different views.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:55 | 1808528 TradingJoe
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Nice chart, but where's the FEDster in all of this?!?! A repeat is because of the FEDsters unlikely! They would print the shit out of everything not nailed down! Bu I agree that 1275ish could be some sort of intermediate top, santa rally could still be an option too, but from here not so much, wihtout a sell off back to the low of the range?! Nah!

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:55 | 1808529 Bunga Bunga
Tue, 10/25/2011 - 13:04 | 1808907 Bob
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But, but . . . how could this be?

Suppose we graph it against "production" by the finance industry, both nominal and as a percentage of so-called GDP.  Hmmmm. 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:56 | 1808532 alexwest
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another idiotic post whether USA is in recession or not?

EXCUSE ME... USA FEDERAL GOV PRINTS ALMOST 10% OF GDP for 3 years in row..

its #UCKING BIGGER than in any year during Great Depression in 30x ...

alx

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:57 | 1808535 topshelfstuff
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""""Has perception management replaced fundamentals as the foundation of all stock market rallies?""""

Of course, and "Officially"...the term "Perception Management" is a great choice of words to describe an item, one of so many that are well buried after being 'Swept Under The Rug', also Officially. How many remember this one:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/may2006/nf20060523_2210.htm

Intelligence Czar Can Waive SEC Rules Now, the White House's top spymaster can cite national security to exempt businesses from reporting requirements


President George W. Bush has bestowed on his intelligence czar, John Negroponte, broad authority, in the name of national security, to excuse publicly traded companies from their usual accounting and securities-disclosure obligations.

Notice of the development came in a brief entry in the Federal Register, dated May 5, 2006, that was opaque to the untrained eye.


The memo Bush signed on May 5, which was published seven days later in the Federal Register, had the unrevealing title "Assignment of Function Relating to Granting of Authority for Issuance of Certain Directives: Memorandum for the Director of National Intelligence." In the document, Bush addressed Negroponte, saying: "I hereby assign to you the function of the President under section 13(b)(3)(A) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended."

A trip to the statute books showed that the amended version of the 1934 act states that "with respect to matters concerning the national security of the United States," the President or the head of an Executive Branch agency may exempt companies from certain critical legal obligations.

These obligations include keeping accurate "books, records, and accounts" and maintaining "a system of internal accounting controls sufficient" to ensure the propriety of financial transactions and the preparation of financial statements in compliance with "generally accepted accounting principles."

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There is one more item that should be taken into account...the "Actual" Tax paid by Corporations, especially the super large-caps, many pay zero, some even get a refund. I'll just touch on it.

[ this was just the beginning, the first years of W's admin, it gets "better" ]
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_welfare/real_tax_rates_plummet.php

The Gap Between Statutory and Real Corporate Tax Rates Actual taxes paid by consistently profitable Fortune 500 companies now is less than half the statutory rate

 

The statistics are startling:

  • Eighty-two of the 275 companies, almost a third of the total, paid zero or less in federal income taxes in at least one year from 2001 to 2003. In the years they paid no income tax, these companies earned $102 billion in pretax U.S. profits. But instead of paying $35.6 billion in income taxes as the statutory 35 percent corporate tax rate seems to require, these companies generated so many excess tax breaks that they received outright tax rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury, totaling $12.6 billion. These companies' "negative tax rates" meant that they made more after taxes than before taxes in those no-tax years.
  • Twenty-eight corporations enjoyed negative federal income tax rates over the entire 2001-2003 period. These companies, whose pretax U.S. profits totaled $44.9 billion over the three years, included, among others: Pepco Holdings (-59.6 percent tax rate), Prudential Financial (-46.2 percent), ITT Industries (-22.3 percent), Boeing (-18.8 percent), Unisys (-16.0 percent), Fluor (-9.2 percent) and CSX (-7.5 percent), the company previously headed by current Secretary of the Treasury John Snow.
  • In 2003 alone, 46 companies paid zero or less in federal income taxes. These 46 companies told their shareholders they earned U.S. pretax profits in 2003 of $42.6 billion, yet they received tax rebates totaling $5.4 billion. Almost as many companies, 42, paid no tax in 2002, reporting $43.5 billion in pretax profits, yet receiving $4.9 billion in tax rebates. From 2001 to 2003, the number of no-tax companies jumped from 33 to 46, an increase of 40 percent.
  • In 2001, the Treasury paid corporations $40 billion in tax refunds, a third more than the 1998-2000 average.
  • Then in 2002 and 2003, after the law was changed to expand tax subsidies and make it easier for corporations to carry back excess tax breaks to earlier years, corporate tax refunds skyrocketed to an average of $63 billion a year - more than double the 1998-2000 average.

Corporations are now paying the lowest levels of taxes in the post-World War II era. In fiscal 2002 and 2003, federal corporate incomes taxes dropped to their lowest sustained level as a share of the economy since World War II.

[ Stock Option Bonuses a Tax Write-Off?, Who knew? ]

The corporate tax benefits from stock option write-offs are quite large. Of the 275 corporations, 269 received
stock-option tax benefits over the 2001-2003 period, which lowered their taxes by a total of $32 billion over three years. The benefits ranged from as high as $5 billion for Microsoft over the three years to tiny amounts for a few companies.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:57 | 1808537 ian807
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You forgot computer algorithms. Some stock trading software now is equipped with web based semantic and sentiment analysis. Combine a story about Google, or the broader stock market, sprinkle liberally with a bunch of positive adjectives and key phrases and the algorithms scan the online news and start buying, creating a self-fulfilling rally, complete with feedback loops.

I expect that this explains much of the stock market rally behavior we've seen over the past year or two. The rallies seem to happen on patently ridiculous announcements by governments and corporations putting forth pretend solutions. Even institutional investors can't be that stupid. For that, we need computers.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 11:58 | 1808541 bogey4
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I think the central premise of this post is wrong - the growing consensus among technical analysts is that the market is a sell somewhere around the 1250-1270 level.  Krauss at JP Morgan, Elliott Wave and others have this view.  These guys are pretty mainstream technical analysts with wide followings. 

Plus it seems like everybody I talk to is trying to figure out where to sell it.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:01 | 1808549 Monedas
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The key here is DOW/POG divergence.....TPTB hate when that happens ! I'll trade you one Jesse Jackson, one Al Sharpton. three Whoopi Goldbergs, and two Mike Tysons for one (1) Isha Shesay ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Fantasy Trades

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:02 | 1808552 monopoly
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Markets impossible to gauge day to day. We just cannot do it. It is the long term that we see here, not what trade to take today. And you must agree when the truth takes hold in gold and silver the trolls take the day off.

We break 1,700 today and close there, look out.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:03 | 1808556 Odin
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Bout time we use some Head and Shoulders to rid of that pesky quantitative dandruff...

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:04 | 1808558 xcehn
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LOL. Joke of the day. The only real thing you can bank on is that the day of reckoning for all the cookery and shenanigans is upon us.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:07 | 1808577 prodigious_idea
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With China a net exporter to most nations of the world I don't see how they're the "tugboat" of the global economy.  And I guess I'm watching/reading the wrong news because I've missed the "comprehensive" part of Europe solving its debt crisis.  And I imagine a few years from now somebody will present a very-believable replacement metric for measuring recessions and the look-back will show that we were in a recession on 25Oct2011.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:27 | 1808659 Monedas
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They import a shit load of fiat ! Chug, chug,chug....! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Tugboat Annie, gators got her Granny °

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:11 | 1808584 the grateful un...
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it's their stock market, they own it, like Iraq, break it, you bought it.. and we see how that played out. holding up the illlusion of Iraqi Democracy was expensive and it never quite paid off on time or in terms of real gains, since we left a mercenary army, and a financial committment behind. now the game is gaming the withdrawal of a market supported by government spending to the private sector, which could take years, and will be painfully slow and a lot of blowups along the way.

they broke the stock market, now they bought it. what's next? a couple of surges, lots of spin, the markets down we must be winning, the bears are on the run. 

will some future (republican?) president promise to get the US government OUT OF THE STOCK MARKET? well this is like fighting a war and you're not even sure you're in it, but you are..

obama has shown himself to be uniquely untalented at getting out of quagmires, and probably just as feckless at starting new ones. meanwhile Mr Market looks anxiously at November.

assuming there is some sort of acute rebellion at the higher levels of government, the market may drift into chaos. mostly the american people hated the Iraq war but they put up with it. ditto rich wall street bankers suck us dry for another decade. or maybe not

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:22 | 1808634 Monedas
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Congessmen are exempt from insider trading sanctions ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Political Perks

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:27 | 1808653 HD
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Sadly this is true... Vote for HD in 2012!

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:59 | 1808768 Monedas
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Who's HD ? (It's you ? I'm recovering from bronchitis).............I am not against insider trading ! Buyer and Brokers beware ! It happens anyway ! Full discosure and transparency of insiders, maybe ! Laws with exemptions for the lawmakers....SUCKS ! Congressmen should pass a TSA grope every time they enter the Capitol !  Caveat emptor....let the market deal with it ! Note: Hello, Folks ! I'm Broker Bill.....I got all the inside dope ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Rumor Mill

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:17 | 1808610 RobotTrader
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Surge in the Euro and ES now dragging up GLD and GDX.

Dow 15,000 = Gold $2,000

Unfortunately, GDX has a long way to go before it catches up with XRT.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:17 | 1808611 Belarus
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Is the Market Rally "The Real Thing"

No. 

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:18 | 1808614 Falkor
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100 year ...

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:22 | 1808635 Alex Kintner
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What day does Oct 29 fall on this year. That's right -- Saturday. Market will be closed. Rally on Mofos.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:25 | 1808645 HD
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Hedge funds will chase the index - they don't care if it makes sense or not. Most of their clients will pull their money if they are behind the curve.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 13:15 | 1808932 Shizzmoney
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The consistency of the premarket-last 30 minute rallies are what really concern me.  It's almost as if someone has their hand on the counter and goes, "It's around -370, shit.....I better jack this baby up!"

It is quite obvious that the country gets nervous when the news reports: "The Dow lost XXX points today" as supposed to the dense graphs and charts that actually tell the REAL story of what is happening to our eroding economy like on sites such as these.  This creates even MORE worry in consumers, and they spend/borrow less.  The Fed does not like this; they HATE the thought of people paying down debt and saving, as that negatively affects stocks.

The DOW and S&P could boom to 13K and 1300 if they wanted......still wouldnt reflect the effect of the social heartbeat of the United States. Facts: wages are stagnating (even down), U6 is around 16.5%, consumers have a shitload of debt, students have a shitload of debt..... and no jobs/jobs that have no good incomes to allow them to pay it down.  People aren't having kids b/c they know how much it costs, as well as the unknown fator of how many banks are attached to Europe debt/EURUSD.

But, the MSM tells the public that "The DOW, S&P are up and rallying"....then, I guess life is good!  Time to buy shit!

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 13:28 | 1809020 the grateful un...
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my concern with the late day moves is that many leveraged ETFs trade only once a day, and you must put your order in for tomorrow today. i figure this information is not closely held. i mean its great to have the bears triple leveraged short, and you just pound the shit out of them knowing they can't close their position until 4PM.

 

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