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Guest Post: A Message To The SPLC From A Montana "Extremist"

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market

A Message To The SPLC From A Montana "Extremist"

I’ll be the first to admit, people who refuse to compromise their principles under any circumstances can be utterly terrifying. Defiance, in its purest form, requires fearlessness; a brand of fearlessness we have little experience of today. For many in our society, fearlessness in the face of immeasurable opposition is unthinkable, and (unjustly) considered a sign of “madness”, or of “extremism”. To go against the tides of a culture, a collective, and point out its crimes and inconsistencies, is so counter to what they have been conditioned to expect, any sign of dissent triggers in them feelings of confusion and fury.

The Liberty Movement, and all it’s more specific and specialized branches, represents a resurgence of the immovable ideal. We refuse to set aside the truth. We refuse to relinquish our freedoms. We refuse to be silent. We refuse to negotiate. Regardless of the consequences, and despite contrary impositions of so called “national security”, we simply will not go away. This kind of philosophy is a serious obstacle for any establishment system which seeks to maintain or even expand its base of power. If you cannot buy off a person, if you cannot co-opt a person, and if you cannot frighten him into compliance, then all that is left to do is to demonize his public character, lock him up, or kill him. Men of conscience force the agents of centralization to expose their inherent tyranny before they are ready for the citizenry to know who they really are. Frankly, the Liberty Movement is a considerable pain in the neck for those who would see the American dynamic distorted to the benefit of a select few.

We wear this distinction like a badge of honor. If we were not a threat to the globalist corporatist strategy, then they would not consistently go out of their way to attack us. They attack us, because we are doing something right.

Only days ago the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the most prevalent propaganda think tank tied to the wretched tentacles of the Department Of Homeland Security (DHS), released yet another hit piece article slandering not just the Liberty Movement in general, or specific spokesmen like Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers, Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship, or James Rawles of Survivorblog fame, but also a specific action the movement has taken, namely, the relocation projects now gaining steam in the northwest Rocky Mountain regions of the U.S. You can read that disparaging editorial, called “A Gathering Of Eagles: Extremists Look To Montana”, here:

The hit piece was of course perfectly timed with the announcement of Bob Fanning and Chuck Baldwin’s run for Governor and Lt. Governor of Montana in 2012. However, beyond the obvious attempt to preemptively derail a campaign that would bring back 10th Amendment awareness to Montana and effectively restrict overt Federal involvement in state politics, there is a distinctive tone of dismay from the SPLC over Liberty Movement projects that involve active organization and community building.

From Liberty Fellowship’s relocation program, to James Rawles’ American Redoubt, Stewart Rhodes’ Operation Sleeping Giant, and my own Safe Haven Project through, the powers-that-be are noticeably perturbed at the very idea of Americans walking away from their computers, leaving their homes, talking to each other face-to-face, and forming mutual aid groups. God forbid…

Mark Potok, the frontman for the SPLC, has remained an entertainingly impotent figure, and I’ve always seen his bumbling media statements and actions as more helpful to the movement than hurtful, but there comes a point in any nation teetering on the brink of oligarchy when the propagandists start to gain more power and more sway in the way activist groups are treated.

For now, the SPLC’s job is essentially to make average people with little background information believe that what we are doing here in the Northwest is first, a fringe activity with little support or reach beyond the boundaries of the Rocky Mountains. Second, that it is a movement based on inherent violence and a threat to the safety of average citizens. And third, that it is organized around racist methodologies, or any other socially detestable lifestyles they can come up with off the tops of their heads. The SPLC engages in this propaganda using the ever popular fallback strategies outlined by Saul Alinsky, a mentor to Hillary Clinton who believed that in social debate, there are no rules of engagement, and that those who play honorably, play to lose. For Alinsky, being right or factual in how you argue your position was unimportant. Instead, the point was to win, at any cost, even if you know you are entirely wrong.

Alinsky tactics relied heavily on character assassination. If you cannot effectively counter the arguments of your opponent, he believed, then you must attack his personal integrity, so that no one will listen to his ideas.

In his book “Rules For Radicals”, Alinsky also claims that effective action requires the “passport” of morality, meaning, the appearance of moral compass, but not necessarily honest intent. He goes on to say:

“…You do what you can with what you have and clothe it in moral arguments…Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or use of ends or means.”

He elaborates further:

“…The practical revolutionary will understand Goethe’s conscience is the virtue of observers and not of agents of action; in action, one does not always enjoy a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”

In other words, Alinsky taught that taking on a false position of moral righteousness was important in influencing popular support, and, in convincing people to accept criminal methods as long as the end result met some arbitrarily assigned “greater good”. For Alinsky, lying is acceptable, hurting the innocent is acceptable, creating chaos and crisis is acceptable, if his concept of a “better world” is ultimately achieved in the process. If this doesn’t describe the underlying corrupt nature of the SPLC perching on their fabricated moral high horse while casting down judgments designed to manipulate rather than inform, I don’t know what does.

“The Nesting Of Eagles” uses subversion, false association, fear mongering, and blatantly disingenuous accusations in a fashion classic to Alinsky’s strategies. However, its poor composition and remedial narrative give it the tone of a frustrated pre-teen lashing out at what he doesn’t understand. I suppose we can be thankful that the SPLC still refuses to hire any competent writers, otherwise, the Liberty Movement might be in trouble.

Below, let’s outline the generalizations made in the article, as well as the insinuations they construct. Here is what the SPLC is trying to imply about the relocation and organizational projects of the Northwest, and the people who were brave enough to start them:

We’re All Racists

The only real trick the SPLC seems to have up its sleeve is to constantly associate, directly or indirectly, every group that opposes corrupt state power as being racist or terrorist. They especially strive to make readers believe that Montana itself is some kind of breeding ground for neo-nazis. I have to say that in the course of my relocation and establishment here in the Flathead Valley, I have only met ONE dyed in the wool racist. In the first few months I lived in Pittsburgh, PA, I met dozens.

Does this mean that Montana is free of hate? No. But according to the SPLC’s very own “Hate Map” (…oh boy), our state actually ranks very low on the list:

States like Idaho and Wyoming rank equally or even lower, and yet we hear endless diatribes from the SPLC on how White Supremacists hide behind every rock and tree in these areas. Could it be that racism actually has nothing to do with their obsessive focus on our efforts? Oh, I think so…

The white supremacist that is consistently mentioned in the article is April Gaeda. I have never run into this woman during my time here. I have never seen her at any of the many meet-up groups or preparedness classes that take place here. I have never seen her at Chuck Baldwin’s services. As far as I can tell, no one in the movement here cares to know her at all. But, because she happens to live in the same area as us, our organizations are all made guilty by proximity?!

By this logic, the SPLC, whose headquarters is in Montgomery, Alabama, must be loaded with racists, and Mark Potok must dance daily around a burning cross. I mean, the League Of The South hangs out right down the road from them. Surely, there is room on the Hate Map for the likes of the SPLC, being that they are smack in the middle of so much bigotry…

We’re All Extremists

The word “extremism” is thrown around quite liberally by the SPLC and its representatives, but I have yet to hear them actually openly define what they mean by it. What makes someone an “extremist”? What definition does the SPLC or the DHS apply when they accuse movements like ours as being extremist entities? Is an extremist merely anyone who protests the abuse of governmental power? As a matter of fact, yes…

The truth was exposed clearly in the leaked and now highly publicized MIAC Report and the Virginia Fusion Center Threat Assessment, which used such broad profiles of extremist behavior that literally anyone who does not agree with current government polocy could be labeled a danger, including veterans, and those who have Ron Paul bumper stickers on their vehicles:

Whether or not the SPLC was wholly responsible for the creation of the MIAC rhetoric handed out to police officers encouraging them to politically profile people is unclear, but what is clear is that the SPLC fully supported the assertions in the document back in 2009 despite massive legitimate criticism and is now pressing for its guidelines to be reinstituted:

What is the risk in allowing a purely establishment motivated construct like the SPLC to dictate the definitions of extremism as well as being given license to train law enforcement personnel? Eventually, we will see multiple activist groups harassed without probable cause due to their cultural and ideological concerns, and nothing more.

Honestly, I couldn’t care less what the SPLC or the DHS thinks of the Montana Safe Haven or the people who reside here. Their opinions are not important. Their actions, on the other hand, are. Any implementation of unconstitutional legislation or executive power which impedes the lives and freedoms of any American, not just those in the Liberty Movement, should be met with unerring resistance. I and many others will NOT allow this particular path to gain favor. Government should always serve at the behest of the people. When it refuses to do so, it is no longer lawful. If this view makes me an “extremist”, then so be it…

We're All Kooky Conspiracy Theorists

If the racist label won’t stick, then the “conspiracy theorist” label is usually next in the SPLC’s toolbox. “Conspiracy theorist” is thinly veiled code for “crazy person”, let’s be honest. It is not uncommon throughout history for elites in power to accuse their opponents of insanity rather than face their factual arguments on their own merit. Insanity is like leprosy; no one wants to look at you, let alone listen to what you have to say. It is certainly an effective method to defuse a potential dissenting movement.

In the “Nesting Of Eagles” article, the SPLC makes a point to immediately pigeonhole Stewart Rhodes as being a “conspiracy theorist”, and Oath Keepers as being conspiracy oriented, without explaining exactly what Oath Keepers is. The bottom line? Oath Keepers encourages current serving or retired military and police to uphold their oaths to the Constitution. Gee, I didn’t realize that Constitutional law was so conspiratorial, or theoretical. I rarely if ever come across an SPLC article or interview which does not automatically mention Timothy McVeigh, white supremacists, or conspiracy theory in the same sentence when talking about Oath Keepers. This is not an accident.

Stewart Rhodes is a very good friend of mine, and a tireless champion for Constitutional freedom. Being a practicing lawyer, he could just as easily take on multiple wrongful arrest lawsuits (there are a lot of those nowadays) and make a tidy income for himself and his family. Instead, he struggles daily to ensure that police and military men and women know that following unconstitutional orders is not an option. He does this as much to protect them, as he does it to protect the citizenry. To see him lumped in with neo-nazis by the SPLC is more than disconcerting.

If our positions as a movement bear resemblance to falsehood or exaggeration, then I welcome the SPLC to confront those positions up front and in detail, rather than hiding behind words like “racist” and “conspiracy theorist”. Not only is it cowardly, but it is destructive of legitimate public discourse, because it prevents any honest debate from taking place. If Mark Potok wants to argue over the existing threats to Constitutional Law with Stewart Rhodes, the existing threats to freedom of speech and of religion with Chuck Baldwin, or the existing threats to the U.S. economy with myself, then let’s pick an unbiased forum to do so. Let us see how well the SPLC fares without the comfortable protections of the corporate mainstream media playground, shall we...

Always Pursue What They Fear

For the most part, SPLC and DHS attacks on our movement are a fantastic thing. Rarely if ever do they actually hurt the growth of our organizations. Instead, they draw more attention to our cause, and, they expose what the establishment fears most. Whatever strategies they try to persuade us from following, those are the strategies we should be exercising. If we aren’t making Mark Potok or Janet Napolitano progressively nervous on a regular basis, then we aren’t doing our jobs correctly.

Without a doubt, the relocation programs being instituted in the Northwest have struck a nerve. Large numbers of freedom oriented, intelligent, and talented individuals coming together to end participation in the rigged system and build something new? Of course they hate us! If we can set an example here, then millions of Liberty Movement participants around the country today might just follow it, or even improve upon it. Community without complacency has always been a threat to tyranny. Governments would much rather we stay idle in our homes in front of our TV’s and computer screens, and far away from each other. This is not how we do things in Montana, and I believe, it is not how most Americans will be doing things across the country very soon.


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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:32 | 1898023 bank guy in Brussels
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Portraying back when America had a bright future ... Brilliant 45 seconds, from the TV show « Mad Men » -

Don Draper on a plane crossing the USA, lighting up a cigarette, the sunshine through the window slowly coming onto his face, to the music of the 1962 'space age' hit « Telstar » by the Tornados -

A moment of television genius, perfectly capturing what once was 'America':

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:34 | 1898036 Pladizow
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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:00 | 1898120 trav7777
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anybody want to guess what group runs the SPLC and pays for its existence?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:03 | 1898136 High Plains Drifter
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hmmmm.....let's see.......hmmmm...........ah............yids? 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:10 | 1898164 reload
Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:15 | 1898188 High Plains Drifter
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they are practicing with the use of those drones on the arabs and the afghans. but guess what?  when they get real good at it,  where will they be deployed next?  and so these american idiots , in nevada or wherever will fly these things in amerika searching for those who refuse to bow the knee .......yep its true and coming to a theatre near you.......soon.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:26 | 1898234 MillionDollarBonus_
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The SPLC is doing good work exposing right wing extremists and conspiracy theorists. There is some extremely dangerous rhetoric arising from these fringe groups such as criticism of the Federal Reserve System, and verbal abuse directed at highly respected and reputable politicians. This is a time when we need our leaders more than ever to guide us through this economic turmoil, and these extreme groups are doing us no good at all.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:27 | 1898243 o_rly
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I know you're doing satire, but a lot of people might not realize that...

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:53 | 1898618 i-dog
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Then they're too thick to be participating here.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:21 | 1898761 Harlequin001
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'Frankly, the Liberty Movement is a considerable pain in the neck for those who would see the American dynamic distorted to the benefit of a select few.'

I guess they just plain failed. Nobody seems to have noticed or to really give a shit.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 13:09 | 1899073 Carlyle Groupie
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"Then they're too thick to be participating here."

SPLC is sponsored and fully funded by The Vatican.

I wuv you lil iDog!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:28 | 1898250 High Plains Drifter
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sounds like something jorge bush would say.....:)

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:31 | 1898263 WarriorClass
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PATCON - Patriot Conspiracy, an FBI program that spanned many years, including the years that Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Oklahoma CityBombing happened. PATCON is shorthand for "Patriot Conspiracy."

And this report that came out in 2009 by the MIAC:

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:02 | 1898390 Manthong
Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:39 | 1898291 High Plains Drifter
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imho, the militia movement if you will, was nothing more than the fbi cointel program, searching for true believers to help the government achieve neferious aims while using useful idiots or dupes to do their dirty business and when the job is completed, they swoop in and arrest these evil useful idiot true believers and say, look, these evil militia people are dangerous to your liberties and your freedoms and so............this is what happened ........and it continues on till this day. the same thing goes on the american nazi party and the american national socialist and the the KKK, is all government operated and government controlled and it is use for a purpose.......



Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:56 | 1898635 whstlblwr
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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:15 | 1898718 High Plains Drifter
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meat blower, will you stop it , please?   good grief.....

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 13:14 | 1899095 whstlblwr
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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:03 | 1898400 Nigh Eve
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Is this now the Koch brothers new venture?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:35 | 1898557 High Plains Drifter
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what was it one of the koch brothers said one time?   oh, that the day this company goes public  is over my dead body?   the koch's do not like the light to be shined on their operations. 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:33 | 1898271 Snidley Whipsnae
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MillionDollarBonus... All I can say is hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... ROFLOFL

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:55 | 1898362 lincolnsteffens
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"highly respected and reputable politicians."

LOL  How many can you name? More than the fingers on one hand??

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:04 | 1898405 RazorForex
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"Highly respected and reputable politicians"? Are you shitting me? Care to name who these respected and reputable politicians?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:28 | 1898524 JungleJim
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MDB, perhaps you could "enlighten" us with a short list of "highly respected and reputable politicians". 25 or 30 of you chosen would do.



Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:55 | 1898632 JimBowie1958
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There is some extremely dangerous rhetoric arising from these fringe groups such as criticism of the Federal Reserve System,

Since when is criticism of the Fed 'dangerous rhetoric'?

I'd bet the bastards will be shut down in the near future; is that 'dangerous rhetoric' too?


If you are being sarcastic or lampooning some libtard, you must realize there is a reason people say such is impossible; there is nothing too stupid or repulsive for a libtard to say if he thinks he can get away with it and profit from it.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:24 | 1898787 MillionDollarBonus_
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Criticism of the Federal Reserve System (or the 'Fed' as you would refer to it) is very dangerous indeed. According to top Ivy League Economists and experienced politicians, the Federal Reserve is essential to American prosperity, freedom and liberty. Before the formation of the Federal Reserve, recessions were far more frequent and long-lasting - just ask any top Ivy League historian. There is never unanimous agreement among the population on every issue, but there is certainly a consensus among the experts on the necessity Federal Reserve.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 16:36 | 1899915 akak
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Why in the fuck would five separate asshole sheep give you a green arrow for this rabidly pro-Establishment swill? 

Oops, I just answered my own question.

I don't give a damn if you are posting all this crap as satire or not --- it is still vile, disingenuous, malevolent propaganda and lies, and as this dishonest, malicious and explicit "surrender to authority" message is the consistent and sole tack of all of your posts here, please take it all and shove it up your ass (once you remove Bernanke's wizened member and the TSA's groping hands from it).

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 17:02 | 1899999's picture

He just bores me. He obviously has the ability to write well and would likely be far more entertaining if he just played it straight. Lots of real sparing partners at fight club, no need for studio wrestlers.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 21:17 | 1900935 Cathartes Aura
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ZH seems to have stepped in a few new posting trolls lately, which is a shame as they tend to derail the thread for dozens of "response" posts (tho' scrolling past makes the threads go quickly, as the majority of response posts are just entertaining themselves like a chat room).

in another thread a rarely seen "old time poster" even admitted to posting more often under another account, guess the lulz are taking hold.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:19 | 1898747 Libertarian777
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i thought we should prepare for an alien invasion though. Now you're saying we should prepare for Montana terrorists?

Isn't it more efficient to prepare for the larger risk (martian invasions)? Or is maximum inefficiency the key to 'making work'?

Just think if we could hire 14 million DHS and TSA staff to patrol the streets and cities and farms searching for terrorists. Unemployment would be 0%!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:41 | 1898295 doggings
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how long do you until the first Americans are targeted by "Sentinels" on US soil ?

from lunatic conspiracy theory to fact in....... months / years? 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:44 | 1898307 SWRichmond
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months, not years

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:46 | 1898317 agNau
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If you want a peek at the future USA, look at the UK.
Cameras and drones on every corner....."for your protection".
Tyranny is subtle. The gloves are now off, as the size of the oppressor and his drones have moved us to the tipping point. This is the most important moment in our history. Do we turn back, or allow them to "protect" us? I turn away and fight.
There are far more like me out there than them!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:19 | 1898477 DogSlime
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I suspect that's not the future of the USA, more like the present.

We have RIPA etc.  You have PATRIOT etc.

Look at what happens to the Occupy protesters in the US.  You can be arrested for dancing in a public place.

Is the UK really so much worse than the US in that respect?


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:14 | 1898711 i-dog
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Yes ... because the UK has already been successfully disarmed. TPTB still have to face that hurdle in the US.

And it's a fucking joke that the taxpayers are happily paying for their own prison system while thinking it's for their protection against cave-dwelling goat herders!

Shoot out a security camera today!!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:26 | 1898797 Clampit
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Shooting is so midevil, as Tesla (and his beloved coil) might point out; they're all connected.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:33 | 1899392 doggings
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it worked pretty well on the original speed cameras for a while, they used to cost thousands, one quick blat with a 12 gauge (£2.15) and it was months before they were fixed again, rinse, repeat. 

ah, the good old days..

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:23 | 1898780 Libertarian777
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well not sure if it makes it better or worse, but the UK doesn't have the same constitutional bill of rights that the USA has, so nothing in the UK says the government can't monitor you or restrict your speech. Remember the queen can still dissolve parliament at a whim.

Then again even though we have these supposed 'protections' in the constitution here, execution thereof is severly lacking.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 22:12 | 1901021 Cathartes Aura
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don't mess with Texas, hm.

The helicopter cost over $500,000 and was purchased with a grant from the federal government.

imagine that.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 13:27 | 1899140 Nikao7
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Forget about ethnic backgrounds.  Just start making a list of "names".  Add the name of every scumbag who has a hand in the disgusting injustices we see unfold in front of us with not a trace of impunity.  I.D. them by their names and forget the fucking ethnic background.  Tie the hands of those who scream racism in place of a valid rebutal to the blatant guilt of their disgusting crimes against humanity.


Love reading your comments High Plains Drifter :)

Rock on brother

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 17:02 | 1899997 General Decline
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Judaism isn't really an ethnic group, though, is it? Isn't it really a religion, kinda like Islam? It's politically correct to point out when a Muslim does something bad, isn't it? Just sayin.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:08 | 1898157 o_rly
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Great article and here's to hoping Montana shows us the way. Don't bow your heads to these smears. Fight on.

And yes, the SPLC is heavily funded by Jews and the board is almost entirely made up of Jews as well. I wonder why that is...

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:19 | 1898208 High Plains Drifter
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well i am not going to call them jews or at least i try to stop using that term since none of them can trace their lineage to ancient israel and the tribe of i call them yids ............or as the russians used to say, zhids.............but it is interesting how these yids want to try and "help" blacks by creating all of these organizations when in fact , they hate blacks just as much as they hate any white why would they do such things? hmmmm???  

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:49 | 1898269 JW n FL
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the fact that they get away with it.. should "BE" the issue..

as why are the WASP's letting them? why are the Blue Bloods letting the Yids take all the credit?

we both know the Yids dont do Sunday Brunch with the right people..

The Powers That Be are Not Yids.. but the Yids are getting all the Credit.. ala' Goldman Sachs is to blame for the World.. mean while JP Morgan get 5% of the news coverage and does 1,000,000 times more damage than Goldman..

Goldman is a shield just like the Yids are a shield.


I am not saying they are not part of the Problem.. I am saying who let them be a problem is the problem.

and! once again!! why?????? what is the end result of social un-rest here in America??????

Death! and lots of it!

SO! the real question is and always has been why? why do The Powers That Be WANT! Social Un-Rest and the Result of Social Un-Rest??

The end result will be lots of good people dead.. America is the most well armed Country in the History of ManKind! so, why do they want us Dead?

Energy Conservation?

Global Population Growth?

I could re-post TED (Gates / Microsoft) and Rockeflers.. but if you have not picked it up by now.. with them dumbing it down for you.. then there is nothing I can do to fix your stupidity!

(understsand High Plains that the last bit was not directed at you as much as everyone else reading.)

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:21 | 1898485 lincolnsteffens
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I gave you a + for that.  The Jews have been the scape goat used by oppressors to deflect their own tyranny. Modern examples for this can be seen in the Arabic speaking countries to get their citizens blaming Jews/Israelis for their miserable state instead of blaming the ruling class which cares little for their own countrymen. I'd like to know if in recorded history  there has ever been a governing state or powerful regional group of Jews that beheaded or roasted at the steak people that refused to convert to Judaism or suspected of heresy against the "Jewish" God. Do travelers or citizens of Israel fear for their safety if they have in their possession a Koran, the King James Bible or any religions holy book?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:39 | 1898292 lunaticfringe
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The proper plural term is "juice." FIFY

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:48 | 1898391 whstlblwr
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And the ZH wack jobs come out.

You do more to discredit liberty movement by this racist bullshit ...maybe that's point. See how discussion turned from liberty to hate of Jews. Don't focus on liberty, instead focus on your hate of Jew, its problem of everything. Trav fuckhead is obvious plant.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:26 | 1899642 ViewfromUnderth...
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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:56 | 1898368 SMG
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The Illuminati ruling council is at the top of the pyramid, comprised of members from the Illuminati ruling families.  They are not Jewish, but Lucifarian.  


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:03 | 1898398 High Plains Drifter
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yeh i know. that is what alex bullhorn jones say..........please.........

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:47 | 1898598 SMG
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You've been incorrectly pushing the "it's the jew's fault"  for quite a while here on zh.


1.  You don't realize your wrong, and mistakenly push the wrong agenda.  In which case, you have to realize that if we are to have a better world, the right people (The rulers of the Illuminati) have to be blamed and pay for their sins.  If the Jews take the blame for the collapse, the real perpetrators will slip away, while innocent people take the blame fo the collapse.

2.  You are working for the Illuminati oligarchy as a paid troll.  In which case I would implore you not to keep working for them, as they are evil liars, who do unspeakale things to children, murder and spread evil through the world, and only care about themselves and increasing their power.


Please reconsider what you post here. Thanks.  I really hope after the collapse there is a better world like the patriots this article talks about are fighting for.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:18 | 1898733 High Plains Drifter
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yes you are correct . i am working for the luciferian illuminati , and i am firmly ensconsed in the basement of a non descript building somewhere in austin , deep behind enemy lines......


cut it out for crying out loud. you jones sycophants are just too much........

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:19 | 1899609 JW n FL
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I Love Ya Bro!

and if they cant get involved with the truth?

like say who OWNS Congress and the Senate?

Who OWNS THE Southern Poverty Law Center?

Who OWNS the Anti-Defamantion League?

it is NOT! your fault..

Power to the People!

Truth is POWER!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:33 | 1898847 eureka
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Anyone have a list of the ruling illuminati families/council members...???

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 13:19 | 1899110 Carlyle Groupie
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I hear crickets..... First time ever on the hedge.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 19:37 | 1900688 phyuckyiu
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I would expect a groupie of the Carlyle Group to profess ignorance of who runs the world. Wouldn't you? Next.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 16:10 | 1899836 SMG
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Rockfeller, Rothschild, Warburg to name a few.  David Rockfeller is one on the council.  For as great as they beleive they are, they should be more public.  Of course they realize the evil they are doing and know they must hide.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:38 | 1898896 Iwanttoknow
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Bro,they are Khazars.They have fucked jews.they came from mongolia.Settlled in Kazaria.Converted to judaisim in the seventh century.,as a srategic move.Kazaria ceased to exist in fourteenth century.One of their pricess married into Holy roman empire,giving rise to black nobility.They are luciferiean.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:45 | 1898311 SWRichmond
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I for one am somewhat disappointed by their choice of a landlocked state for their redoubt.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:15 | 1898462 Hohum
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Why in the world is it so important to mention that the SPLC is funded by Jews?  SPLC either is doing good or doing bad.  Choose your side.  When you start talking about your opponent's ethinicity, don't be surprised when the "racist" label is thrown at you.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:19 | 1898744 High Plains Drifter
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you are right. i got to cut that shit out. i apologize from the bottom of my pea picken heart.......

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 19:44 | 1900706 phyuckyiu
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Why must you always try to look behind the curtain? Can't you just be happy with your MSG wood pulp Nuggets? Ungrateful Goyim, excuse me Peasants.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:31 | 1898828 i-dog
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Why is it important for you to hide the fact that the virulently anti-independent-American SPLC is funded by a group that only has an interest in emigrating to their "promised" land - 12,000 kms away!?!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:41 | 1898909 eureka
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Without implying any similarity whatsoever I would guess that only a few more US jews would want to move to Israel than Afrincan Americans would move to Africa... - however, comfort and conveniences do not preclude allegiances to third parties & locations.

Human sense of identity is commonly a conspicuous construct.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 22:40 | 1901087 Cathartes Aura
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Zionists don't necessarily want to live in Israel, but they DO support the war-like actions of that nationstate, for various reasons apparently - there are plenty of self-proclaimed Xtian Zionists, in Congress & throughout the States, who are working for their second coming apocalypse - one needn't be "Jewish" to subscribe to these stories.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:36 | 1898283 tmosley
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Collective guilt, collective recognition, collective punishment.

Your thought is poison.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:56 | 1898364 Gavrikon
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Liberal Futtbuckers?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:31 | 1898261 Snidley Whipsnae
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Pladizow... The Tornadoes was a British Rock Band and Telstar was hit in GB before it became a hit in America... Just sayin'

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:42 | 1898301 yabyum
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Are these the ones with the swastikas? No thanks.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:57 | 1898371 Abiotic Oil
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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:35 | 1898038 CH1
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Yes. America as it was is DEAD.

Our friend in Montana is acting toward a rebirth. I wish him God speed.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:12 | 1898170 High Plains Drifter
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people think. well i will get away from this stuff and move to the wilderness and live. there i can be free. nope won't work. they will come for you there too.  there is no place to run and nowhere to hide. 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:17 | 1898195 CH1
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The quality of "place" depends a hell of a lot on your neighbors, amigo.

And the state is not omnipotent. It is composed of the idiots next door. Once the neighbors decide that they don't like state thuggery, life gets a lot harder for the thugs.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:23 | 1898223 High Plains Drifter
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maybe, but let me say this to you.  there will always be some guy who will say yes to a few sure you understand that. you might trust someone and that is good. like a guy said on a forum i was reading one time. i don't trust anyone. that is the way i am these days. it is a sorry way to live but these are the times we live in. 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:32 | 1898266 LasVegasDave
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Ha Ha Ha.  You are a hoot, Grifter

The Yids are proabably bugging your phone right now, waiting to steal your last shekel


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:42 | 1898302 JW n FL
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We Never Forget!


We are Coming!


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:49 | 1898329 High Plains Drifter
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dave, the yids know who each of us are, they know where we live. we have been noted. heck this is not my first rodeo. i have no regrets. i must say what must be said while i still can. i have no money. i have no power. they do not care about me. but when the time comes, those who do not have their minds right, will be arrested. you must understand this.  to me, it is not personal. heck , i fully respect them and my hat goes off to them for being able to pull this stuff off. they are multi generational in their approach. one generation dies and the next generation takes up the baton. they are smart and clever. i respect this. i have no misconceptions about them. but let me say this. they are a people that are imprisoned by over 3000 years of false teachings and spirtual imprisonment and for all of this , they intend on bringing this world down and bringing this world under their control by hook or by crook and this plan was hatched perhaps during the days of solomon and it continues on till this day. now we can ignore it or we can see it for what it is. either choice has its consequences. when you understand these things, then you will begin to understand what the Biblical text refers to in the book of Revelations. 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:01 | 1898387 LasVegasDave
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A thoughtful reply Drifter.  I am impressed.

But the "plan" that was hatched during Solomon's time was not world domination, it was education and the pursuit of knowledge.

Studying, whether the Torah, the Talmud, the psychology of crowds or financial tomes, it doesnt matter.

What matters is learning, and there the Yids dominate.

How else could a "despised race" less than 1/10 of 1/10 of 1/10th of the worlds population so dominate with nobel prizes for science and medicine and outsized influence on world leaders and markets?

People of the book indeed.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:05 | 1898409 High Plains Drifter
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so are you jewish? just curious. if you would like to pursue this issue, i am all ears........


then one must go to that place where i have gone before and ask you the question. what does it mean to be a jew? what do you think that means?  

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:22 | 1898494 adr
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the despised race figured out long ago the easiest path to sucess is to borrow others ideas and pass them off as your own. He who brings the news to the king genraly gets the reward. I've never seen a jew do the grunt work in a group, however they always attempt to be the presenter of the work.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:31 | 1898537 High Plains Drifter
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yes also they pretend to be white while moving among the whites and sowing discontent and divisiveness...and doing everything they can to destroy the white western european culture.......

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:54 | 1898626 whstlblwr
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Sorry ass freak.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:54 | 1898623 whstlblwr
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Yes, they also see through wall and watch you all the time too. They infiltrate the deepest layers of society and control what you eat, where you sleep, and who you love. You better prepare.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:20 | 1898756 High Plains Drifter
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hey meat blower. go do a mitzvah or something. make yourself useful........

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:28 | 1898803 Max Hunter
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I love how people argue this shit.. Have you ever seen that video about Israel and their inventions/contributions.. "The other Israel" I think is the title.. I noticed that 90% of what they produce can be used as survalence devices or spying of some sort.. LOL.. Nahhh.. of course that doesn't mean anything.. keep up the fight HPD..

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 13:08 | 1899071 whstlblwr
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Maybe it's from country surrounded by enemies and in wars.

"Keep up fight HPD..." LOL!!!!!!! HPD is Jew for jesus.

You lame ass paranoids. Do selves favor and go to medical center asap.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 22:48 | 1901106 Cathartes Aura
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it's Israel that names, and inflames its "enemies."

do some research on the history of that colony, who set it up, and why.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:34 | 1898556 lincolnsteffens
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You kind of remind me of the citizens of North Korea who have been so brainwashed that they think their Dear Leader is possessed of super human powers and speaking to a foreigner would cause them to sicken and die. Ancient and continuing plot to rule the world by an insignificant population of a religious group. You must really like your daily dose of kool-ade.

Bwaaahaha ha

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:49 | 1898330 CH1
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Fair enough point, Drifter, but I'm willing to risk it with neighbors.... not that I'll trust blindly, of course. :)

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:17 | 1898471 topcallingtroll
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Thats right.

Good luck trying to control the american redoubt and the red states who join them when the next Ruby Ridge or Waco incident occurs.

The government admits there are only about 500 active al queda in the af/pak region. Maybe 5000 active rebels total. They cant control it with 100,000 troops.

They people of the redoubt have much better weapons. I would prefer a high quality deer rifle to an AK 47 anyway. Long distance sniping is a much better tactic.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:40 | 1898575 FEDbuster
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Many lessons can be learned from the Afghan Mujaheddin, they are about to chase out their second "super-power".    

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:08 | 1898678 JimBowie1958
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They are about to chase out their THIRD Western power, much as their people have chased out conquorers since Alexander the Great.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 13:02 | 1899041's picture

Danny never let go of Peachy's hand and Peachy never let go of Daniel's head.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:13 | 1899323 Cui Bono
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and do you know what they do? they wait til our women are doing the wash and piss in the river......

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:30 | 1898532 High Plains Drifter
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tell you what  ch1.  i am willing to bet that the day they come for you, your neighbors will sit there and, it must be fucked to be him............such is the day we live in.  


as the saying goes, lone wolves are easy prey, there is strength in numbers, organize.  the trouble is everytime someone tries this, it is immediately infiltrated and someone does what the man wants, for a small payment of blood money.......americans truely are islands in the stream living lives in their own little bubbles.  

as i have said so many times before, we must relearn the way of tribal instincts....again......because for every high tech weapon, there is a low tech answer to that weapon........

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:55 | 1898630 whstlblwr
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Run out of money for your medication? I think there is free clinic.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:07 | 1898671 Milestones
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We are increasing the centralization of authority when all the worlds people are sensing that we need to retribalize. Marshall McLuhan brought out this point in a seminal interview in a 3/1969 PLAYBOY interview. 

Look at how the arabs are fighting a juggernaut army--hit and hide. This will be the way the battle of the US will be fought. By small, local units using local knowledge.            Milestones

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:10 | 1898687 JimBowie1958
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People would serve themselves better to study Michael Collins, not OBL.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 22:54 | 1901125 Cathartes Aura
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we all need to relearn the story - it's not about WINNING wars, it's about OCCUPYing the nationstates to extract resources & maintain the Military Corporation & the parasite beneficiaries.  should amrka desire afghanistan done, it would be over.  meantime, they trial and perfect their biowarfare & drones, coming soon to the homeland.

end of.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:21 | 1898211 jdrose1985
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The headhunters.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:38 | 1898040 GMadScientist
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Aim high. /sarc

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:39 | 1898050 lunaticfringe
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This is relevant, why?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:59 | 1898115 trav7777
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that was before BRA...that was white america

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:50 | 1898340 yabyum
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Is this the group that likes to play with swastikas? If so, no thanks.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:56 | 1898369 Freddie
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TV is watched by morons who support the oligarch elites. Keep watching serfs.  Mad Men bashes "evil" WASPs from the 1950s.  F TV.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:33 | 1898033 lunaticfringe
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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.”
Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:57 | 1898097 Zero Govt
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there is a 3rd way, the Financial Revolution: Pay No Tax

Stop sponsoring the Govt and its staff to oppress you. Starve the fuking parasites

Zero Tax = Zero Govt

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:52 | 1898345 fourchan
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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:52 | 1898347 lolmao500
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Except that brings violence to you.... government violence that is.

The only way to starve the scum and not bring violence upon yourselves is to strike. Not work. Leech off government. Like the elite. Be a parasite till the government falls.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:44 | 1898585 FEDbuster
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That is the Cloward-Piven strategy for liberals to bring down capitalism.  I am all for it, but it is what rises from the ashes that I worry about.  That may be the time to be in the right place with the right people, like Montana?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:51 | 1898613 CH1
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Leech off government. Like the elite. Be a parasite till the government falls.

"Not feed them" I can see, "leech" I cannot.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:09 | 1898039 Mercury
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Only days ago the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the most prevalent propaganda think tank tied to the wretched tentacles of the Department Of Homeland Security (DHS), ...The only real trick the SPLC seems to have up its sleeve is to constantly associate, directly or indirectly, every group that opposes corrupt state power as being racist or terrorist.

My, hasn't the Left come a long way since all that fretting over Mr. Bush's powerful, shiny new government agency. 

I think that's what is known as progress.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:09 | 1898046 XitSam
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It is not "Survivorblog"

Update: I just checked, is for the TV show Survivor.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:34 | 1898272 Optimusprime
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Lots of helpful information on that blog--I am grateful for it. 


Rawles himself, unfortunately, shoots himself in the foot by being another clueless Christian Zionist.


In other words, he is politically and sociologically naive on some fundamental levels.


As Carl Schmitt reminded us, the "political" involves the recognition and naming of "the enemy".   Rawles fails on this count, even as he righteously bemoans the downward spiral in US prospects.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:03 | 1898388 Gavrikon
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I heartily invite all Christians who believe that we as a nation should be supporting Israel to go there and sign up to join the Israeli Army. 

But please, no more spending money we borrow from the Chinese for wars on Israel's behalf.

The US would be much safer if we were more selective about who we allow to come in, without fighting any wars.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:13 | 1898704 DosZap
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And I HEARTILY invite you to go back in our American History and learn something about it.Evidently you are ignorant of the facts of our Founders beliefs in that regard.

Is the US not safe?, where are the enmies and bombs exploding?.The real enemies of this country are the ones who are running it into the ground.(you know, the one's with a political agenda).

BTW, we were helping Israel, WAY before we ever took a dime from China or anyone else.

You are familiar with with the Judeo Christian ties, and relationsip I assume?.

Most of the Jew haters here, are racist bigots,and there is a wad of them.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:42 | 1898054 vegas
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The MSM [main street media] will always go out of their way to libel and portray groups they don't agree with as "racist, homophobic, anti-Amerikan, etc. Screw 'em

Liberalism is on its last legs, and all the programs and ideals they hold high are utter failures on every front.

If ever there was a time for this, it is now in places like Montana. Godspeed gentlemen.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:20 | 1898484 Altavoz-de-Verdad
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Constitutionalism is a pillar of Liberalism.  Liberals developed the idea of a Constitution, consent of the governed, the rule of law, the social contract, et al. during the Enlightenment.


Just sayin...

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:46 | 1898595 JungleJim
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As you most probably know, the definition of "Liberal" has changed drastically in the last 100 years.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:09 | 1898684 Altavoz-de-Verdad
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Indeed, as well as Libertarian and many others.  Question is, who are the people who have driven this redefining of these political philosophies?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:43 | 1898055 Conrad Murray
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Maybe the Liberty Movement could hire Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford to work their magic on the SPLC.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:43 | 1898056 IrritableBowels
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Oro y Plata

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:43 | 1898057 Jim Quinn
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We're all Americans. Time to wake up.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:43 | 1898059 bernorange
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It's completely shameful what the SPLC and DHS are doing.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:39 | 1898573 DosZap
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SCREW them, WE know who the real enemies are...........................fkin Goon Squads.

Any petty assed excuse to try and cause a panic, and another reason for a new regulation  to try and tell us what we can and cannot do.

I QUIVER in fear of the Terrorists.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:44 | 1898060 GMadScientist
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There's nothing in-between the status quo and "we don't recognize any authority outside 'Justus' (what kind of hill-billy bullshit is THAT anyway?)"?
That's pretty extreme and threats against public officials sounds like terrorism to me (use of violence to achieve political ends and all).

Maybe you should brush up your PR so people don't keep mistaking you for the violent, psychotic, Jesus-freaks you so vehemently appear to be?


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:08 | 1898154 JOYFUL
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GeeMad, that monocle you're wearing may be affecting your vision  - folks down with Jesus don't need be freaks, nor need violence or psychosis  to be doin their thing....they just are what they are, in an age where nothin is what it was anymore....

suggestion box,

drop the affectations, including the 'moral superiority' thing, and get wit the times. Thanks to these folks, they be finally changin for the better, less yu be a 'bedwetter' (of the Bankster Drysdale kind!)

signed, jEThRo

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:28 | 1898245 GMadScientist
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The majority of Christians are hard-working honorable people who read their scripture and keep their faith, but they're not who I was addressing. I don't agree with them, but I fully defend their right to practice whatever religion they see fit as our founders, fresh from their experience with the C of E, were so wise to establish as sacrosanct in our constitution.

It is not an attempt at 'moral superiority' to call out those making a false claim of moral superiority.

I'm not sure how you see inspiring violence from TPTB as an improvement. They'll just have a more free hand with these tactics from here on in. I don't give blue ribbons for kicking hornets nests.

FWIW, the avatar is from LulzSec. We all resist in our own way.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:21 | 1898490 topcallingtroll
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Violence is sometimes necessary.
Ask George Washington.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:22 | 1898775 JimBowie1958
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But if that time were ever to come it will come in the form of people acting as a community or local state, and not a bunch of autonomous, unsupporting cells of isolated fighters.

They must first lay the political/social foundations before going Rambo on anyone.

That is why they will fail, though I do sympathize with those who are not racist antisemites. The natural state of human beings is that of food/sex/comfort craving creatures who live in a state of being somewhere between a beast and a person, and democracies always fall eventually because they remove all barriers to degenerating to this lower form of human existance.

This nation could pull it out of the crash it is heading to, but I doubt it. It will be left to the hard-core Bible believing workers to rebuild this country on the ashes left behind by the heathen who have ruined it.

And I know I will get dinged for saying that, but so be it. The US has been a great ride, and I will ride to the end, keeping my oath of loyalty to the Constitution, but I know the current power structure is coming down hard and in the near future. The current Anglo elite will be replaced by a hybrid Anglo-hispanic elite that will return sanity to our highest institutons, but it will be hell till then.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:36 | 1898872 JOYFUL
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I'm not sure how you see inspiring violence from TPTB as an improvement. 


Lemme guess, 

you prolly think those pesky Palestinians 'spire violence' by sittin around on their dopy asses instead of trooping away from their own homes in good order too huh!?!? 

Inspire violence...I'll stick to M$B when I want comedy mixed with my daily dose of insights...totally sad sack comment G-Bud. Reach harder.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:14 | 1898172 o_rly
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I don't get why people are Jesus freaks because they have ideals that fall outside the mainstream. This sort of racist talk about "hillbillies" is not acceptable.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:29 | 1898255 GMadScientist
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You don't think the "Us" in "Justus" means white christians only?

Do tell.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:40 | 1898298 tmosley
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What the fuck are you talking about?  I see no reference to "Justus" by anyone other than you on this thread.

Also, nice collectivism you have there.  It's the same thing as racism, just without use of race.  You merely judge people by where they were born.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:19 | 1898207 Vergeltung
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an uncommonly stupid post. nice work!


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:31 | 1898260 GMadScientist
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We aim to please even the most sullen of boors.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:45 | 1898063 LeBalance
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Brandon, you and your gang are getting together to express your views and push forward with your power to try to change your life toward what you are seeking.  You do not feel comfortable in your present mode of living and if you gain power you will not be comfortable with anyone else living in ways that threaten your concept of living.

How is that ultimately different from what is today?


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:50 | 1898080 Zero Govt
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Freedom allows all people to live how they please, follow the paths, political or otherwise, they wish to follow

Govt is a monopoly (of power) and as such seeks to monopolise opinion on how society should be

Govt (centralising power) is the enemy of Freedom (people impowered)

Govt is anarchy


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:02 | 1898128 CH1
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Well said, ZG!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:12 | 1898155 jdrose1985
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It's not a government. It's a corporation based in Washington DC with subcorporations in every state and municipality. A de facto as opposed to de jure. The republic capital is still in Philadelphia (this IRS office issues foreign entity EIN numbers) and the de jure is enforced solely in judges chambers as it is confidential commercial info (CCI).

Hint: you are all foreign to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA although you likely believe yourself to be a 14th amendment citizen.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:59 | 1898377 lesterbegood
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Another hint: The Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917 was amended in 1933 classifying all American citizens as "Enemy Combatants" with respect to the US Federal Corporation.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:10 | 1898434 jdrose1985
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And to think...most people call the (insert name here) war unconstitutional.

When your corporation is overrun by enemy combatants; the CEO, rather president, has the constitutional right to do as he pleases, or as his handlers instruct.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:46 | 1898068 Zero Govt
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"...a point in any nation teetering on the brink of oligarchy when the propagandists start to gain more power and more sway in the way activist groups are treated..."

That point of oligarchy (anarchy actually) is the day Govt is born

from then on every extremist minority group (loony lefties like the Clintons to rogues on the right like the Bush family and all the parasitcal creeps behind them) gets a purchase/power over society and funded (taxation) by the people and business competitiors they seek to oppress

Put a monopoly insitution at the heart of anything and all it will do is shit on you

Govt is the problem... so forget about the trivial extremist groups.. kill the Govt beast and the viruses will die in the carcass

Zero Tax = Zero Govt = Zero Extremists

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:48 | 1898071 DogSlime
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Hardly surprising that the Liberty Movement is getting rubbished by the establishment - who invaded Iraq because of "WMD" and "protected" society with the PATRIOT Act etc.

My concern is:  would the Liberty Movement work on a national scale?  250 million Americans - can it work on that scale?

I am from the UK and I doubt it would work here.  If such a movement started to gain traction here, it would probably receive the same treatment by TPTB as it seems to in the US but assuming the establishment backed off, could an entire 21st century western nation be viable based on the principles of the Liberty Movement?

That's not a rhetorical question - I am genuinely curious.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:51 | 1898085 topcallingtroll
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I dont see how your non liberty, coercive government, and high taxes will succeed.

Your youth dont want to work. The dole is too easy to get.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:28 | 1898249 jdrose1985
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The welfare recipients are actually being monetized and creating vast pools of currency. They are actually a crop being raised solely for the profit of the corporation. In a world where one farmer produces food for thousands, this is possible.

When the time comes, the herd must be culled.

When you no longer hear of record corporate profits, know what follows.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:29 | 1898253 DogSlime
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Of course - I wasn't defending the status quo.  The fact that the existing system is broken doesn't answer the question I asked.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:25 | 1898508 topcallingtroll
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Well....if more government and higher taxes hasnt worked why not try less government and less welfare?

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