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Guest Post: A Message To The SPLC From A Montana "Extremist"
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market
A Message To The SPLC From A Montana "Extremist"
I’ll be the first to admit, people who refuse to compromise their principles under any circumstances can be utterly terrifying. Defiance, in its purest form, requires fearlessness; a brand of fearlessness we have little experience of today. For many in our society, fearlessness in the face of immeasurable opposition is unthinkable, and (unjustly) considered a sign of “madness”, or of “extremism”. To go against the tides of a culture, a collective, and point out its crimes and inconsistencies, is so counter to what they have been conditioned to expect, any sign of dissent triggers in them feelings of confusion and fury.
The Liberty Movement, and all it’s more specific and specialized branches, represents a resurgence of the immovable ideal. We refuse to set aside the truth. We refuse to relinquish our freedoms. We refuse to be silent. We refuse to negotiate. Regardless of the consequences, and despite contrary impositions of so called “national security”, we simply will not go away. This kind of philosophy is a serious obstacle for any establishment system which seeks to maintain or even expand its base of power. If you cannot buy off a person, if you cannot co-opt a person, and if you cannot frighten him into compliance, then all that is left to do is to demonize his public character, lock him up, or kill him. Men of conscience force the agents of centralization to expose their inherent tyranny before they are ready for the citizenry to know who they really are. Frankly, the Liberty Movement is a considerable pain in the neck for those who would see the American dynamic distorted to the benefit of a select few.
We wear this distinction like a badge of honor. If we were not a threat to the globalist corporatist strategy, then they would not consistently go out of their way to attack us. They attack us, because we are doing something right.
Only days ago the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the most prevalent propaganda think tank tied to the wretched tentacles of the Department Of Homeland Security (DHS), released yet another hit piece article slandering not just the Liberty Movement in general, or specific spokesmen like Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers, Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship, or James Rawles of Survivorblog fame, but also a specific action the movement has taken, namely, the relocation projects now gaining steam in the northwest Rocky Mountain regions of the U.S. You can read that disparaging editorial, called “A Gathering Of Eagles: Extremists Look To Montana”, here:
The hit piece was of course perfectly timed with the announcement of Bob Fanning and Chuck Baldwin’s run for Governor and Lt. Governor of Montana in 2012. However, beyond the obvious attempt to preemptively derail a campaign that would bring back 10th Amendment awareness to Montana and effectively restrict overt Federal involvement in state politics, there is a distinctive tone of dismay from the SPLC over Liberty Movement projects that involve active organization and community building.
From Liberty Fellowship’s relocation program, to James Rawles’ American Redoubt, Stewart Rhodes’ Operation Sleeping Giant, and my own Safe Haven Project through Alt-Market.com, the powers-that-be are noticeably perturbed at the very idea of Americans walking away from their computers, leaving their homes, talking to each other face-to-face, and forming mutual aid groups. God forbid…
Mark Potok, the frontman for the SPLC, has remained an entertainingly impotent figure, and I’ve always seen his bumbling media statements and actions as more helpful to the movement than hurtful, but there comes a point in any nation teetering on the brink of oligarchy when the propagandists start to gain more power and more sway in the way activist groups are treated.
For now, the SPLC’s job is essentially to make average people with little background information believe that what we are doing here in the Northwest is first, a fringe activity with little support or reach beyond the boundaries of the Rocky Mountains. Second, that it is a movement based on inherent violence and a threat to the safety of average citizens. And third, that it is organized around racist methodologies, or any other socially detestable lifestyles they can come up with off the tops of their heads. The SPLC engages in this propaganda using the ever popular fallback strategies outlined by Saul Alinsky, a mentor to Hillary Clinton who believed that in social debate, there are no rules of engagement, and that those who play honorably, play to lose. For Alinsky, being right or factual in how you argue your position was unimportant. Instead, the point was to win, at any cost, even if you know you are entirely wrong.
Alinsky tactics relied heavily on character assassination. If you cannot effectively counter the arguments of your opponent, he believed, then you must attack his personal integrity, so that no one will listen to his ideas.
In his book “Rules For Radicals”, Alinsky also claims that effective action requires the “passport” of morality, meaning, the appearance of moral compass, but not necessarily honest intent. He goes on to say:
“…You do what you can with what you have and clothe it in moral arguments…Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or use of ends or means.”
He elaborates further:
“…The practical revolutionary will understand Goethe’s conscience is the virtue of observers and not of agents of action; in action, one does not always enjoy a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”
In other words, Alinsky taught that taking on a false position of moral righteousness was important in influencing popular support, and, in convincing people to accept criminal methods as long as the end result met some arbitrarily assigned “greater good”. For Alinsky, lying is acceptable, hurting the innocent is acceptable, creating chaos and crisis is acceptable, if his concept of a “better world” is ultimately achieved in the process. If this doesn’t describe the underlying corrupt nature of the SPLC perching on their fabricated moral high horse while casting down judgments designed to manipulate rather than inform, I don’t know what does.
“The Nesting Of Eagles” uses subversion, false association, fear mongering, and blatantly disingenuous accusations in a fashion classic to Alinsky’s strategies. However, its poor composition and remedial narrative give it the tone of a frustrated pre-teen lashing out at what he doesn’t understand. I suppose we can be thankful that the SPLC still refuses to hire any competent writers, otherwise, the Liberty Movement might be in trouble.
Below, let’s outline the generalizations made in the article, as well as the insinuations they construct. Here is what the SPLC is trying to imply about the relocation and organizational projects of the Northwest, and the people who were brave enough to start them:
We’re All Racists
The only real trick the SPLC seems to have up its sleeve is to constantly associate, directly or indirectly, every group that opposes corrupt state power as being racist or terrorist. They especially strive to make readers believe that Montana itself is some kind of breeding ground for neo-nazis. I have to say that in the course of my relocation and establishment here in the Flathead Valley, I have only met ONE dyed in the wool racist. In the first few months I lived in Pittsburgh, PA, I met dozens.
Does this mean that Montana is free of hate? No. But according to the SPLC’s very own “Hate Map” (…oh boy), our state actually ranks very low on the list:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map
States like Idaho and Wyoming rank equally or even lower, and yet we hear endless diatribes from the SPLC on how White Supremacists hide behind every rock and tree in these areas. Could it be that racism actually has nothing to do with their obsessive focus on our efforts? Oh, I think so…
The white supremacist that is consistently mentioned in the article is April Gaeda. I have never run into this woman during my time here. I have never seen her at any of the many meet-up groups or preparedness classes that take place here. I have never seen her at Chuck Baldwin’s services. As far as I can tell, no one in the movement here cares to know her at all. But, because she happens to live in the same area as us, our organizations are all made guilty by proximity?!
By this logic, the SPLC, whose headquarters is in Montgomery, Alabama, must be loaded with racists, and Mark Potok must dance daily around a burning cross. I mean, the League Of The South hangs out right down the road from them. Surely, there is room on the Hate Map for the likes of the SPLC, being that they are smack in the middle of so much bigotry…
We’re All Extremists
The word “extremism” is thrown around quite liberally by the SPLC and its representatives, but I have yet to hear them actually openly define what they mean by it. What makes someone an “extremist”? What definition does the SPLC or the DHS apply when they accuse movements like ours as being extremist entities? Is an extremist merely anyone who protests the abuse of governmental power? As a matter of fact, yes…
The truth was exposed clearly in the leaked and now highly publicized MIAC Report and the Virginia Fusion Center Threat Assessment, which used such broad profiles of extremist behavior that literally anyone who does not agree with current government polocy could be labeled a danger, including veterans, and those who have Ron Paul bumper stickers on their vehicles:
http://www.constitution.org/abus/le/miac-strategic-report.pdf
http://publicintelligence.net/virginia-fusion-center-educational-facilities-threat-assessment/
Whether or not the SPLC was wholly responsible for the creation of the MIAC rhetoric handed out to police officers encouraging them to politically profile people is unclear, but what is clear is that the SPLC fully supported the assertions in the document back in 2009 despite massive legitimate criticism and is now pressing for its guidelines to be reinstituted:
What is the risk in allowing a purely establishment motivated construct like the SPLC to dictate the definitions of extremism as well as being given license to train law enforcement personnel? Eventually, we will see multiple activist groups harassed without probable cause due to their cultural and ideological concerns, and nothing more.
Honestly, I couldn’t care less what the SPLC or the DHS thinks of the Montana Safe Haven or the people who reside here. Their opinions are not important. Their actions, on the other hand, are. Any implementation of unconstitutional legislation or executive power which impedes the lives and freedoms of any American, not just those in the Liberty Movement, should be met with unerring resistance. I and many others will NOT allow this particular path to gain favor. Government should always serve at the behest of the people. When it refuses to do so, it is no longer lawful. If this view makes me an “extremist”, then so be it…
We're All Kooky Conspiracy Theorists
If the racist label won’t stick, then the “conspiracy theorist” label is usually next in the SPLC’s toolbox. “Conspiracy theorist” is thinly veiled code for “crazy person”, let’s be honest. It is not uncommon throughout history for elites in power to accuse their opponents of insanity rather than face their factual arguments on their own merit. Insanity is like leprosy; no one wants to look at you, let alone listen to what you have to say. It is certainly an effective method to defuse a potential dissenting movement.
In the “Nesting Of Eagles” article, the SPLC makes a point to immediately pigeonhole Stewart Rhodes as being a “conspiracy theorist”, and Oath Keepers as being conspiracy oriented, without explaining exactly what Oath Keepers is. The bottom line? Oath Keepers encourages current serving or retired military and police to uphold their oaths to the Constitution. Gee, I didn’t realize that Constitutional law was so conspiratorial, or theoretical. I rarely if ever come across an SPLC article or interview which does not automatically mention Timothy McVeigh, white supremacists, or conspiracy theory in the same sentence when talking about Oath Keepers. This is not an accident.
Stewart Rhodes is a very good friend of mine, and a tireless champion for Constitutional freedom. Being a practicing lawyer, he could just as easily take on multiple wrongful arrest lawsuits (there are a lot of those nowadays) and make a tidy income for himself and his family. Instead, he struggles daily to ensure that police and military men and women know that following unconstitutional orders is not an option. He does this as much to protect them, as he does it to protect the citizenry. To see him lumped in with neo-nazis by the SPLC is more than disconcerting.
If our positions as a movement bear resemblance to falsehood or exaggeration, then I welcome the SPLC to confront those positions up front and in detail, rather than hiding behind words like “racist” and “conspiracy theorist”. Not only is it cowardly, but it is destructive of legitimate public discourse, because it prevents any honest debate from taking place. If Mark Potok wants to argue over the existing threats to Constitutional Law with Stewart Rhodes, the existing threats to freedom of speech and of religion with Chuck Baldwin, or the existing threats to the U.S. economy with myself, then let’s pick an unbiased forum to do so. Let us see how well the SPLC fares without the comfortable protections of the corporate mainstream media playground, shall we...
Always Pursue What They Fear
For the most part, SPLC and DHS attacks on our movement are a fantastic thing. Rarely if ever do they actually hurt the growth of our organizations. Instead, they draw more attention to our cause, and, they expose what the establishment fears most. Whatever strategies they try to persuade us from following, those are the strategies we should be exercising. If we aren’t making Mark Potok or Janet Napolitano progressively nervous on a regular basis, then we aren’t doing our jobs correctly.
Without a doubt, the relocation programs being instituted in the Northwest have struck a nerve. Large numbers of freedom oriented, intelligent, and talented individuals coming together to end participation in the rigged system and build something new? Of course they hate us! If we can set an example here, then millions of Liberty Movement participants around the country today might just follow it, or even improve upon it. Community without complacency has always been a threat to tyranny. Governments would much rather we stay idle in our homes in front of our TV’s and computer screens, and far away from each other. This is not how we do things in Montana, and I believe, it is not how most Americans will be doing things across the country very soon.
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would the Liberty Movement work on a national scale? 250 million Americans - can it work on that scale?
Of COURSE! The curse of the state would be gone and after the giant freek out ("with no state to order me around, I'll DIE!!!"), things would go rather nicely.
Look up agorism, voluntaryism, anarcocapitalism, and so on.
Interesting that you count 250 million Americans. At last count the population is over 300 million. Freudian slip?
Well, taken literally, I think 250 million would find things just fine, thank you. If you project that % onto the UK I suspect it would work well there as well.
Not a freudian slip - I was just plain wrong. It doesn't seem so long ago that it was 250 million. I had no idea it had exceeded 300 million.
I stand very much corrected - thanks.
I just dont see what is wrong with federalism. Why is a national health care program needed? Let blue states form a consortium and they can tax themselves and regulate themselves to their hearts content.
Why does Arkansas have to participate?
Let each state decide their own health and welfare policies.
Why not let people choose what they want to participate in?
Why not let people choose what they want to participate in?
Because that's the one thing a state can NOT do on any serious level. If "voluntary" is ever connected to "morality", their bullshit falls apart.
The choice is yours.
Do you have the awareness and skills to enforce your own rights? Are you willing to die defending that which is right? Can you do it in a manner which will not upset their system and create chaos?
The remedy exists. It always exists.
Why Montana? I spent 2 winters in Wyoming and that was bad enough... No way am I leaving a warm climate to move to Montana.
Anyway, I'm not big on joining. I joined the Navy once... that pretty much cured me of joining.
All of us (Americans) were joined to America at birth. No one asked me if I wanted to join... When I asked my cats if they are Americans they turned and gave me a view of their ass holes. What do you make of that?
Wouldn't want to disrupt Blue Cross' 75% market-share in Arkansas with a competitive alternative or anything...
Lets let Arkansans decide the health care and welfare system they want.
Maybe we dont want any welfare allowed.
Let each state decide.
Can we get one of these without the kooky racism maybe in Virgin Islands?
I'm down.
It's not awakening whites who are guilty of "kooky racism". They are merely responding to a long-term policy to displace them--on racial grounds. Wake up and re-think what the whole "civil rights/affirmative action/unlimited non-European immigration/federal leviathan administrative and tax system (etc)" have really been up to the past decades.
Then grasp with sober senses the most persistent, intelligent, well-funded and determined backers of the policy. This is all factual, and easily verified.
The historic betrayal by Ted Kennedy when he joined Jacob Javitz to change immigration policy in 1965 was a watershed in US politics.
The founders of the US were race realists. Nowadays even those who invoke them most--the libertarians--are, with few exceptions, not race realists. If you think this is "progress" I respectfully suggest you re-consider the matter. A lot of people are.
Teddy didn't want to end up like his brothers so he went along with the big plan. The man was a pig and serial rapist - just like Clinton.
How the hell can you -5 this? I'm with you bro. Nice tropical, fertile island. Allow anyone of any color and any MODERATE religious belief as long as they are smart and hard working. Only rules are the population can never exceed 1 per square KM and the government has to abide by a strict and EXPLICIT constitution that dictates exactly what they are allowed to and no to do - with no amendments.
WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have often wondered why a re-make of the 1980's CLASSIC Red Dawn has never been done. And the answer is obvious...
I to this day, cannot believe they actually allowed the film to be made.. Sure it was an Anti-Communist Propaganda piece, but it really is a step by step blue print of how to form a local resistence group. It was very well made and covered so many topics. I can't believe I was actually allowed to watch it at age 16...
Any re-make would have to pit American Teen rebeling against the Tea Party or something. That's the only suitable enemy..
I would love to see an independent film maker re-make this film. And use the same rough and violent images that they used in the original... I mean for FUCKS SAKE, they executed one of their own at point blank range. You just don't see that type of realism in movies any more.
WOLVERINES!
Robert
Where have you been? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234719/
The bad guys during filming were Chinese Communists. That got changed in post-production to North Korea.
Exactly, Robert. The globalist PTB would love to ban movies like this. The idea of Americans standing against centralized power with their lives, is simply beyond their 'master' minds.
I'm loving it as their grip on the collective slips away.
WOLVERINES!
Red Dawn was a entertaining thrill for those who did not know nothing and feared the Russian bear in the height of the Cold War.
War Games is and was, will always be far, far greater in impact than Red Dawn.
Strip out the sheet metal, bad paint and lack of weight on the snow in the track marks and you will have a story. One that was imaginary possibly.
Fighting a tank today will get you killed. You will have to fight tanks another way. Especially if you can find the fuel they use and the Coil Places they use at night or Day when resting.
The USSR still maintains along with China a hell of a capability to stuff a Division and place it anywhere they wish. The problem is that of Operation Market Garden but only Civilians, no germans around.
Again that movie was not all that big of a deal back then.
I will agree that Red Dawn is a basic framework on how to resist a invasion at a moment's notice. It is our American Way to be ready at a minute's notice with a rifle over the fireplace.
Take away the internet for a moment and consider where we would be without such a thing.
I have lived and died many times over already, only that it was not yet my time. Even if you thought you were finished for good, you keep working to resolve that issue as long you have breath.
one mass murder for the gov: Janet Reno..a clone now runs the hit teams: Janet is her name..big elite protection is her game. all hail the HLS..zieg heil, zieg heil...these vermin exist in gov at every level..
THEY LIVE..is not a joke.
" If you cannot buy off a person, if you cannot co-opt a person, and if you cannot frighten him into compliance, then all that is left to do is to demonize his public character, lock him up, or kill him. " reminds me of a woman i used to know................. more importantly, it's interesting that Southern Poverty Law Center is the chosen name for said organization. The SPLC name speaks volumes about intentions and positioning. Scary times.
Extremism as a pejorative is a morally relativistic canard. Extremity in virtue is no vice. The SPLC are statist dead-enders with no ideas, only positions. Their host is dying and their time is coming to an end. Godspeed.
I don't understand these people who live up in BFE Montana and just sit in their cabins all day writing manifestos. Dude, you live in BFE, ain't nobody effing with you, wtf?
Really, Tyler. The only stain on your otherwise wonderful, one of a kind, financial blog is the space it gives to posters and comments who are in the fringe. George Washington, anyone? Every subject another chance to bash the Jews for some commenters, anyone? Seriously. Talk about undermining your own important message.
You're being downvoted, but I agree. I wish this sort of thing would stay on infowars, where it belongs.
The web doesn't need another "OMG THE GLOBALISTS AND THEIR WICKED HAARP CHEMTRAIL FLOURIDE CONSPIRACY" site.
Ah, the pairs of paid trolls have arrived!
Paid to call this type of stuff lowbrow trailer park nonsense? Nah. That's on the house, dear. You can get back on your sister now.
What a fucking stupid and ignorant comment. OMG HE DISAGREES, GET HIM!! Check my comment history, and you'd notice I'm not exactly an establishment ultra-lax monetary "Keynesian" policy supporter.
Fucks sake, even Carroll Quigley in "Tragedy and Hope" said not every event is scripted. Yes, there are powerful men attempting to manipulate their way behind the scenes, but the "Round Table Group" largely went away post-WW2 as a direct result of getting their policies wrong in the time spent between the two world wars.
Oh, I forgot. It's so much easier just to write some ignorant one-liner when someone disagrees.
Fucking retard.
more likely "volunteers"...
there's always been a certain subset of American citizens who believe that treason is their moral imperative. They seldom hang for it.
We need all the sites speaking the truth and giving us different viewpoints as we can get.. Obviously, the status quo of control and suppression of liberty serves you. Some of us here can see the long term effects of this and would like to fight this before the nightmare becomes too big... You know, the ole "ounce of prevention, pound of cure" mentality.. We don't expect you to understand..
So, let me know, of the Alex Jones's material, which are true?
Chemtrails? TSA oppresion? Manufactured depression? HAARP? Fema camps? Flouride poisoning? Coffins in Madison, GA? Gull Island? Codex alimentarius? etc etc?
Or is it all true? In which event, we already have a fucking website spawning all this sensationalist crap. In fact, we have many; ATS, BeforeItsNews, ...
ZeroHedge was based on economics and finance, I'd prefer for it to stay that way. But hey THAT MUST MEAN I'M IN ON IT!!!eleventyone!!11
While I would never label you as a troll EscapeKey (you have always presented thoughtful comments), your comments here have emphasized a list of slurs. Possibly, you are just angry for being attacked, but many of the items in your above list do exist on some scale.
Zerohedge has always been a site that included articles on many facets of our society. Brandon has commented numerous times, as has Charles Smith and others. Often, the commentary is political in nature. Did you miss this? Or would you determine the output of zerohedge based on your own desires?
The site claims to be a "Dow Zero hedge". Of course there's some overlap, but this article has nothing to do with economics/finance.
It's not really a list of slurs. It's a commonly recurring list of Alex Jones talking points. If one was to be added to the list of discussed topics on ZH, why not all of them?
The worst thing you can do, both as an individual, and as part of a group, is to move too far from your competence area. Essentially, stick to what you're good at. Tyler's grasp clearly lies with economics/finance, why he wants to add clearly extremely speculative topics outside of his area of competence is beyond me.
Yes,, It is beyond you..
Oh, the irony; from my previous post:
"Oh, I forgot. It's so much easier just to write some ignorant one-liner when someone disagrees."
Thanks for proving my point.
I addressed your rubish.. Below... You conveniently ignore it.. proving my point.. Nice try.. Your tactic doesn't work here.. Probably works real well on yahoo finance..
What in the world could be more pertinent to economics/finace than a discussion amongst a group of disenfranchised people who are subject to the anti-competitive tactics of another group of people taught from birth that lying to and cheating non-members is a religious duty? Discussing strategy and tactics as to how to regain one's independence in the face of such unfair business practice is probably as close to the definition of economic planning and finacial survival as one will ever find.
oh, and about the competence area thing....is it possible you could take your own advice? You seem good at obscuring the truth...this is the wrong place to hang out, as highlighting the truth is ZH's core competency.
ZeroHedge is certainly BASED on economis and finance but certainly has the presence of mind to understand how geo-political and social issues impact us.. I love how all of you talk about what ZeroHedge is for.. Once again.. I will list what it states on it's manifesto.
I do not visit Alex Jone's site.. I do not rely on a single source for information. We are surrounded by lies.. Those lies serve a purpose.. We that understand this really don't care that you do not.. I understand that you must offer this view that we are "crazy" or "fringe" or any other made up label that would steer people away from investigating the truth about our masters.. Once exposed, NOBODY ever goes back to your camp.. You are losing the battle.. How's that working for you?
I don't watch/listen/read Alex Jones, although I know why you're using his name in your rant.
HOWEVER, you do yourself a disservice by referencing these topics as "conspiracy theory" nonsense - a quick search on the 'net will provide you with MUCH evidence outside of InfoWars type sites - here, let me help. . .
"chemtrails" are also referred to as aerosoling, also "weather modification" also "geo-engineering" - here's a commercial website where you can hire the planes to spray:
http://weathermodification.com/
this one also has many well researched reports: http://aircrap.org/
no idea why you're adding "fluoride" & "codex alimentarius" to your conspiracy list - when they are proven facts - but here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Alimentarius#Controversy
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/09/1034732/-Nevada-Health-Dept-Rai...
there are insane things going down everywhere by over-empowered lame brains with a badge & an agenda - and if you live in a NATO alliance country, you're being sprayed with poisons - these are facts you'd do well to stop mocking - if you don't like Alex Jones, fine, but do the research anyway.
Here's a blog for you so you won't have to suffer any more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1mvN6lU0oU
Thanks, buddy. I'll get right to that after I finish reading the secret codes the UN has put on the back of stop signs all across America. Directions to the FEMA camps, you know.
With your stinkin' luck, the codes will be unreadible because some neo-nazi will have spraypainted a grafitti swastika over them...
Good luck in your quest to legislate behavior...
I'm not trying to legislate anything. If this guy wants to run around in Camoflage p.j.'s in the great white north and delude himself into seeing a Jew behind every tumbleweed, he's welcome to do that. Better there than in my neighborhood. I'm just saying he's a dipshit.
"If this guy wants to run around in Camoflage p.j.'s in the great white north and delude himself into seeing a Jew behind every tumbleweed, he's welcome to do that. Better there than in my neighborhood."
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Umm... By my powers of observation, the guy seems to be basically minding his own business up there in the great white north...
I'm sure you have nothing to fear from him, because I'm pretty sure the last place he'd ever want to be would be at a dinner party at your house in your neighborhood...
Double post. Maybe I should have left it up since he's a double dipshit.
Yup, there are some mysteries,
Tell me about this one,
What are the words in micro print under the area that you sign your signature on any personal bank check?
Why are they there?
Why are the words printed in micro print?
*hint..... no one signs their name in capital letters do they?
I am a Skeptical Theorist!
All tyrants seek to discourage healthy discourse.
All propagandists resort to slurs and insults to diminish opposing points of view.
To think economy exists outside the politic displays a remarkable ignorance of both- a subject originally taught as a single discipline.
You know BetTheHouse, you can cry and whine all you want about anti-semitism and "jew bashing" all you want, but the fact remains that every world problem has a common thread running through it, jews, israel and zionism, and the people are waking up to that fact finally.
The world economy crumbling, government corruption and 10+ wars raging, bleeding America white, aren't caused by Muslims, Chinese, North Korea or Iran, they're caused by the JIZ and their insatiable greed and hatred of everything goyim, and an insane belief that they're going to bring about some kind of "Rapture" or some-such nonsense.
So, you just go right on pissing & moaning, for all it accomplishes is waking more and more people to your lies and bullshit. You may just get your mythical "holocaust" one of these days.
Keep making my point, there, David Koresh.
Esso,
I just think you admitted you're a racist.
you made a point similar to what the late author and israeli professor , israel shahak made in his book,
jewish history, jewish religion, the weight of 3000 years.
If you don't like stupid commentors, then call them out for their stupid ideas. Don't blame Tyler.
the space it gives to posters and comments who are in the fringe. hey there, BETtheFRING ! sometimes its the "fringe" where the best ideas & new ways of thinking are born ! it has to be a total makeover in this country (i.e., revolution, throw out the money changers & their minons, the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK) or you can kiss this life goodbye & any hopes of future prosperity for our families ! Luv & respect to you ...........
@lynnybee
Some people (such as our friend in question) appear to prefer "groupthink"...
Groupthinkers love the idea of forming "committees"... Then, when the "committees" fail to produce a consensus, they come up with the brilliant iodea of forming "SUPERCOMMITTEES" (you know - to effectively whittle down the number of voices)... Then, basically the SUPERCOMMITTEE (aka - politburo) fares no better, so a CZAR is appointed...
The CZAR is appointed by the Minister of Opinion... & whatever he says... GOES!
Is that clear?
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PS... None of this would have ever have been a problem if everyone had just thought like he did in the first place... But he'll see to it that it never happens again...
I agree too. Tyler should add a custom filter where you check the box to determine what arrtcles and comments appear.
Real Financial Analysis / Commentary
Gold / Silver Bugs
SHTFers
Conspiratorialists
Jew Bashing, Racist Idiots
Tyler should add a custom filter where you check the box to determine what arrtcles and comments appear. ..no, plz. no custom filter ! .... i love all the articles here, they are all pertinent to the big picture. this website has invaluable information , THIS IS THE SMARTEST I'VE EVER BEEN IN ALL MY BORN YEARS & I LOVE IT ! I'm finally smart & understand what the hell is going on because of this website / bless all the TYLER'S hearts , my heros.
hey RoadKill, did you get lost looking for "Real Financial Analysis/Commentary" when you clicked on this article entitled:
"A Message to the SPLC from a Montana Extremist"?
use that "custom filter" called your brain if you need to wear those blinders.
"First they came for the holocaust revisionists, and we didn't speak out because we didn't want to be branded anti-semites..."
You are implying turnaround, but that is quite the joke because those people taken and murdered by Germany were not specifically taken because they were jews, but becauae they were not Nazis or from the banks running the Nazis and they might have sympathies with the real enemy.
Have you ever noticed how odd it is that Switzerland was able to remain neutral, even though it is full of banks and especially zionist controlled banks. One would think if Hitler was determined to loot countries (and he was) that Switzerland would have been s soft target with many plums to loot and absorb.
Hitler wanted to believe that he was fighting the war for all of Europe against the Russian Bolshevik communists and to do so, he had to arrange financing and secure the border areas surrounding Germany. That he did by conquering the surrounding countries. The western front was a sideshow and Hitler must have felt bretrayed that the same people and countries that financed him initially (UK and US) attacked him.
having a Swiss girlfriend and long chats with her old father about this, the Swiss basically fronted the Nazis down, mobilzed the whole country, planted explosives everywhere, and made it clear they would fight to the last man. remember every single Swiss male was in their army, even until recently.
The Swiss believed Hitler may well have planned to come for them later on but knew it would be a difficult task, and so left them alone in the meantime.
they certainly didnt roll over and make deals. he also said wiki is fairly accurate.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light,
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright,
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
Do not go gentle into that good night. .........Dylan Thomas
(Semper Fi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvABW1AyRsk&feature=related
Always Pursue What They Fear. Amen
Wow! And yet no mention of the vast program by ADL to indoctrinate police forces into believing that carrying a copy of the U.S. Constitution is one indicia of terrorism.
As Prechter would say, the public mood is indeed darkening.
As long as thoughtful Americans continue to provide measured discourse on the topics of political economy, the tyrants that rule this country will flounder.
The danger implied in the use of coercive power, is the overdependence one develops. It becomes the preferred method of abuse. While effective, it also deadens the victims to its' effect over time. While making the victim stronger, it makes the user weaker.
When we frame the discussion in clear deliberation, we teach others of the possibilities inherent in liberty. We allow the colored language of the propagandist to stand alone for clear analysis.
We do not have to attack the status quo, we can merely move along our own line of progression, to an end result that will benefit all those that participate. As the powers that be are left holding the bag of their own oppression, we will have escaped to form a fortress of freedom that is too difficult to assail.
They will focus their efforts on those pieces of the empire they can control with the least effort- urban populations. Fortunately, even these outposts will leak through to the countryside and leave the Elites laid bare by their totalitarian socialism.
We merely must act in our own self interest to create a society that allows the best possibilty for all its' members. This is the promise of real laissez faire capitalism. It is not without its' faults, but it is the best we have devised so far. Improvements may come as we evolve the social contract- from government by an Elite to self government that focuses on organization with decentralization. private property and private contracts.
I take it the OWS is not officially an EPIC FAIL?
Socialism es muerte:)
Survival without taxable income is a Real Threat to them.
If you live off the Grid and can survive buy growing your own food, providing your own electricity thru Solar Panels or other means, heating your home thru wood stoves etc., you are a threat to the system.
The system only survives on Taxing property and Income. Without Taxable Income the System will fail, as who will pay all of the Taxes for the Government to operate.
As more and more people pull off the Grid little by little, like simply using a Wood stove, or growing their own food that will cumulatively hurt the System. You need less Money that needs to be earned and taxed to pay for those items. So, everyone doing anything that cannot be taxed is a threat.
P. S. There was a time when all Americans lived off the Grid.
It's just using enviromentally sound renewable energy to keep one's carbon footprint as small as possible, while producing and consuming organically grown food.
Let the liberal loons criticize THAT!
SPLC = Justin Beiber.
Great article and here's to hoping Montana shows us the way. Don't bow your heads to these smears. Fight on.
And yes, the SPLC is heavily funded by Jews. I wonder why that is.
Maybe it is, but not by Jews like Mark and Michael Levin.
Montana......where men are men and sheep be scared!
Ahem . . . where men are men and sheep are lyin little bitches.
From their website SPLC's
definition of extremist includes:
1. Neo-Nazi
2. Racist Skinhead
3. KKK
4. Anti-gay
5. General Hate
6. Racist Music
7. Black Separatist
8. White Nationalist
9. Christian Identity
If you read the ref. article A Gathering of Eagles, SPLC says "Rooms at the Kalispell Public Library host regular screenings of racist films." One of them is The Birth of A Nation. I sheet you nawt.
10) Khazars
"General hate"?
Wow. Didn't realize all haters were extremists.
#5
I am a hater of hate, am I included?
Birth of a Nation glamorized the KKK. However, I see no reason to censor history. Willful ignorance is not a virtue.
For now, all the financial fraud has not resulted in significant supply chain disruption. However,given the speed with which things are excellerating, I don't know how much longer all supply chains can be maintained. I will only point out that regardless of your social status everyone still needs water, food, and energy, period. From that perspective I am hesitant to criticize anyone or any group of people that seek shelter in their ability to live off the land. I have argued with many academic fucknuts who trully believe that there must be certain "rules" regarding how one may provide for one's self or family.
The hypocracy is everywhere, people want LESS government regulation, BUT don't want over fishing, over hunting (refer to what happened in Italy pre WWI- those fuckers killed every game bird and mammal they had), and polluted lake and streams. In addition, the GOP talks tough about no bailouts and independent responsibility, but has no problem bailing out corporate America or allowing CEOs to still receive golden parachutes after they run a company into the ground. Well which is it fucknuts? Sorry, can not have your cake and eat it too. I am so glad I spent some time in Russia in the mid 90's, because that is were the U.S. is heading, with a considerably better armed population I might add.
When will the economic model of infinite population growth with finite resources be abandoned? the answer is never, hedge accordingly. The laws of physics and Nature win again, they always do and useful idiots will kill each other for a while (again - only the names and languages changes). Boring world indeed.
Spot on!
The problem is that it doesn't appear we can reach a balance. Too much Gov or Too little Gov as opposed to just right Gov. :) Yes, we don't want over-fishing or over-hunting and yet we have record populations of game; presenting a whole slew of other problems.
Too bad that you find this a "Boring world..." I certainly don't; I just hope I can leave this world without ever having to harm another human being.
excellerating is a super gum for increasing snowboard prowess.
hypocracy is willfully ignoring your medical oath to save lives.
i have a problem with that don't tread on me flag. first off, i am sure most do not know this but the snake is the sign of the yid..........so when you show that flag, you are saying tantamount that you support the enslavers......
HPD - come on now, look at today's "wikipedia is the truth" generation. Of course no one reads history anymore. Fuck it, let the useful idiots kill each other off. At least then the slaves that survive will be stronger and ready for their indentured servitude.
simple question for the group. where did the yids pick up the sign of the snake and when? its a very easy question..... (hint : moshe )
... or maybe a little thing we like to call The Roman Empire?
From your Mom?
I wouldn't expect you to know this but the snake is a symbol in all cultures but lets talk about Judeo-Christian symbolism. The snake is a symbol of defiance, intellect, persuasion and knowledge that is older than creation. There's no reference in the Old Testament that the snake is Satan in fact it states God created the serpent as the "more subtile" of the beasts so it could not be Satan. Now, the New Testament has a contradiction in the Book of Revelation penned by John of Patmos references the dragon as the "old serpent" from the book of Genesis and that Satan was bound to this "old serpent" that God created.
When you say the snake is a Jewish sign (with implied exclusivity) you are ignoring every other religion and culture, past and present out there
saiybat
Your full of it.
The Serpent in the garden was not the same as a snake,it walked up right.
Only after the fall did GOD curse it to crawl on it's belly for the remainder of time.
Also, it would strike WHO's heel?, and WHO would CRUSH it's head?.
There I fixed it for ya.
Hence why I made reference to snake and serpent.
ok, let me ask you this. when you see the flag of the eu what do you see?
or when you see the flag of israhole, what do you see?
I'm assuming you see the 12 tribes of Israel but don't forget the 12 wise men. The Star of David is a kabbalistic symbol representing God's kingdom and the six days of creation.
by the way, what you say above may or may not be true, point taken. but the point i am trying to make is that they appropriated the sign of the snake, long ago and it is what they believe. so it matters not what we think or we believe about it. they believe there is power in it, so that is all that matters to them and should be all that matters to us as well........
protocol number 3 or the learned elders of zion.....written in 1897 at the first zionist conference at basel, switzerland
for example
PROTOCOL No. 31. To-day I may tell you that our goal is now only a few steps off. There remains a small space to cross and the whole long path we have trodden is ready now to close its cycle of the Symbolic Snake, by which we symbolize our people. When this ring closes, all the States of Europe will be locked in its coil as in a powerful vice.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion2.htm#PROTOCOL No. 3
I've read the Protocols. I've full of shit and it's not written by a Jew. Here's the work that inspired the Protocols. It's much better to read anyhow.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/dialogue_hell/dialogue.htm
the paranoid kooks on this site, why they think the markets are rigged the elections are rigged the courts are rigged and somehow the MSM is controlled ..how funny how sad we all know it's just fine and apple pie dandy..now were's those reruns of the brady bunch..
in truth the armed forces are killing the wrong enemy. the feds and courts persue the common man while a good natured man like corzine goes free no reason to get paranoid no reason to rebel.
Why can't it be a soft rebellion?
PS: our side is already winning!
I have my own opinions based on what I've seen and heard of the "Patriot Movement." I also have some opinions about the SPLC. I'll leave that aside for the moment.
If you're in a movement as far opposed to the general direction of The Powers That Be, you have to get the little things right or they'll use them to take you down. If the "Patriot Movement" is peaceful and non-violent and not racist, then they have to kick out the violent and the racist. They have to do it publicly and in no uncertain terms.
The OWS people need to kick the homeless and the drug addicts and the street criminals out of their encampments too, for the same reasons.
If movements don't take reasonable care as to whom they represent, they're going to constantly have the most distasteful of their members thrown in their faces. There's nothing new about that and the "Patriot Movement" isn't being singled out.
It helps a movement to get out and spend time with people who aren't totally immersed in the movement, to get a better idea of what most people are thinking about, and how best to appeal to them. Attacking Saul Alinsky, by describing him as "a mentor to Hillary Clinton," shows that the author hasn't kept current and doesn't mix often with the broader mix of people.
The SPLC's tactics and opinions are well-known. If you don't want to spend all your time and energy defending your movement against what they say and do, don't be the things they target. Especially if, as you claim, their accusations are unfair. If you're not willing to disavow all things violent and racist, well, you're going to take some heat for that.
After 4 hours I see my comment is +2, -6. In hockey that's a -4.
OK. This topic really isn't my issue, and in the spirit of Fight Club, I'll take the bloody nose.
But if you disagree that the Patriot Movement needs to understand the tactics of its adversaries and get rid of the violent and racist elements if they are there, or loudly disavow them if they aren't, then you really don't have any ground to stand on when Morris Dees takes potshots at the Patriot Movement for not expelling or disavowing those elements.
Again, you're not being singled out. Thus it has always been for anyone opposing the status quo. Until the OWS'ers get rid of the junkies and the homeless, they're going to get the "dirty junkie hippies" rap.
I think TPTB "should publicly and in no uncertain terms" "kick out the violent and the racist" first as a sign of good faith negotiating. They could start by actually prosecuting cops or feds that violently beat non-violent protestors.
Yeah, if we all just follow their rules they'll be nice to us. Get a clue!
Not sure I follow you. I think the piece was in response to the SPLC's trashing of the Patriot Movement. I was suggesting that if the Patriot Movement doesn't like being criticized in ways it considers cheap shots, the Patriot Movement might pre-empt that by removing the "low-hanging fruit." Especially since the Patriot Movement claims not to be what the SPLC says it is anyway. It would be a "win-win," at very little cost, and good PR. If, of course, the Patriot Movement is truly so inclined.
At no point did I suggest any sort of sincerity on the part of TPTB.
So I don't understand what you're trying to say.
duplicate
I guess I see your point as being one of appeasement. Why should the Patriot movement have to be what the SPLC wants them to be before they can protest? When does it end? When do they get to complain?
And on top of that, the author didn't say one racist thing and said they were already distanced from racists. The whole point of the article was that the SPLC was "painting" them as racists, not that they actually were racists.
SPLC has a little training course available to help police officers deal with sovereign Americans.
Of course they provide a training kit for officers. That's because real sovereigns don't talk to cops, therefore the cops have little data to share down the trough, so to speak. SPLC tries to fill in the gaps; their ignorance is laughably delicious.
i really enjoyed this article, it's all about expanding your mind ........ freedom of political speech, freedom to speak out against a tyrannical government. p.s. looks like a great day to go to the coin guy & expand my consiousness by being a free woman & having real money in my own hands, money that i can save & rely upon & build wealth with & pass on to my children , my hands to their hands . i remember the days of walking around with silver in my pocket . what the hell has happened to this country & it's citizens & it's money .....
If were a Racist, I would love SPLC and Liberals. A cursory review of the RESULTS (not stated intentions) makes it clear. I offer one example of many, abortion.
16% of US population is black
Black women account for 40% of the abortions
Planned Parenthood accounts for 90% of those abortions
Result of support by Liberals for Abortion and Planned Parenthood? A stagnent or declining black population. A Racist dream come true.
Not quite idiot. All that matters is what the birth rates are. What races are succesfully reproducing more? You might want to look that up before you celerbrate.
he said "if". he was pointing out the hypocrisy.
Racists everywhere will appreciate your vigorous defense of those policies.
The only policy I defend is the right to provide for yourself and family and the recognition that the laws of Nature make no promises regarding anyone's survival, especially if you smoke, drink, or make any one of a number of irresponsible choices. The sooner the system crashes, the sooner we find out precisely what the "value" of everyone's labor really is. Fine with me, fucking bring it.
Exactly; that welfare bandaid needs to be ripped off tout de suite. That is when we find what all people are made of. The sooner the better.
Not hard to see considering where Planned Parenthood came from. Those eugenicists are everywhere.
I guess that depends on what type of "life" you prefer. I guess you would favor more being born into slavery, servitude, poverty, and starvation.
Hey, fine with me, crash the system and let's find out precisely what the "value" of everyone's labor really is, fucking bring it.
wtf are you talking about?
Think about this one for a second.... the CIA, NSA et al. Who really thinks they are sitting on a big stack of 'secrets' to protect 'national security'? The other side knows most of the so called 'secrets' anyway, the job is to keep the information from us, the guys paying the goons. Its all about keeping the powerful in power, keeping the rich rich and keeping the two party system (both incompetent and in the pocket of the shadow government) in place. The head of Northman Grumman said on a tv program a few years back that we have technology almost 50 years ahead ready in the top secret factilities. Those are inventions and technologies WE paid for, yet they are kept from us.
Glad to hear you emphatically denying racisim, although Im guessing the majority of the movement are white, christian males that have 0 black, hispanic or Asian friends.
But If you are checking out of the system, why do you care what they call you? If I were you Id instead focus on policing your own members so you don't have Janet Reno show up on your doorstep,
Make sure know one is stockpiling explosives or illegal weapons and make sure their are no children being exploited. Pay your taxes and you should be fine.
If you picked a more hospitable environment I'd even consider buying a vacation ranch out there with you Just in case. I kind of like the whole Jon Gault idea. But I'd like to be within a few hours drive of Denver. Texas gentlemens ranch country in between Houston and Austin and Houston and Dallas would also work. Hate the frikin snow. Just moved from Boston to Miami to get away from that.
"Pay your taxes and you should be fine."
No thanks why don't YOU pay them for me. Limited taxation but for the 'necessary' business of Gov.
Brandon Smith --
Stop telling me about the moronic / demonic SPLC. I know all I need to know about them, and I don't need much.
What you are doing is more interesting than what they are doing. Tell me about that. Write another article.
( Just in case you don't have enough to do. )
nice article. I just finished Rawles' book (Patriots), it was a pretty good read.
articles like these make me feel there might yet be reason to hope....
PATCON - Patriot Conspiracy an FBI program that spanned many years, including the years that Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Oklahoma CityBombing happened. PATCON is shorthand for "Patriot Conspiracy."http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/11/ssi-exclusive-patcon-fix-at-newsweak_21.html
And this report that came out in 2009 by the MIAC:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13232178/MIAC-Strategic-Report-The-Modern-Militia-Movement
Thx for the first link.
Relocation projects? What are they? SPLC makes it sound like "final solution".
I read this article with great interest, for only recently have I been aware of this 'state of affairs' between SPLC and the various threads of the Liberty Movement. Growing up in the Northwest, SPLC were the good guys. They broke the back of the KKK whose racial violence stopped the 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' of many Americans. I hadn't followed the work of SPLC for a long time after that, but did note that they showed up on radio/tv more frequently. Now, it does seem like they have taken these historic victories against neo-nazis and run with them.
I can't say that I know a lot about many of the groups that Brandon talks about, but I have followed his blog and have found it very interesting. The theme there is clearly preparedness, self-reliance, personal liberty, community resiliance, and a faith in America's agarian and craft-oriented history. Perhaps these ideas aren't everyone's priority (perhaps they should be!) but extreme, or un-American they are not. Our history abounds with examples of them: Emerson's Self-Reliance, Thoreau's Resistance to Civil Government, the establishment of utopian communities throughout the West in the 19th century (e.g. Silkville and Utopia KS). To this day the LDS Church has family preparedness as a core part of it's program.
Maybe the participants of the movements that Brandon talks about would cite these historical examples as relevant to them, or maybe not. The point is that are integral to our history. It is a shame that an organization that has had such a discerning eye towards basic freedom and human rights such as the SPLC doesn't seem to be on the same side as these ideas.
Good article except for one thing of note from personal experience with the Oath Keepers. I was banned from their site for having political posts. I was asked not to, and when I questioned why we couldn't have political discussions, it took several days for a response and I was banned when I said I would not comply.
The response was horse-crap and boiled down to " We're trying to involve members of the military who cannot voice policital opinion ". While I understand you sign your life away when you join the military, it does not prevent you from reading or having an opinion.. just expression of political opinions (correct me if I'm wrong).
The bottom line: I was banned for speaking my mind and voicing my opinion (One of the very things they propose to "uphold") AND THEN questioning them and calling bs on it.
A single oath keeper is one thing, but the organization is dishonest and hypocritical at best. That organization can kiss my ass.
well , if you must know, the oath keepers is a hasbara infiltration organization and the operation is in full swing now, collecting names of military members who do not have their minds right.........
Have you heard of Eric Holder's "Fast and Furious Uterus" ! DHS gives taxpayer gold to Mexican hookers so they can track it through the Drug Cartels ! Volunteers needed to disperse the gold to the hookers....under cover of course ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Free Obamacare For Collateral Infections
Alinsky and Lenin are peas in a pod. No action, no lie, no death is out of bounds for the "greater good".
Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" has a number of things in common with Lenin's "What is to be Done?" Both seek to create a vanguard that can lead a 'mass army.' But other parts of Alinsky's book are closer to Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" especially the tactical techniques of using your enemy's strengths against him.
It seems that all authoritarians are like this. Bush/Cheney regime lived up to it quite well with their lies and actions to invade Iraq for the greater good of the global corporate elite who stood to gain. And the Obama administration are continuing it.
The Revolutionary War was fought to end tyranny expressed through the King of England. The U.S. Constitution was the result of winning this war and established a new government designed to protect the individual from tyranny by limiting the government to the role of defending Liberty and securing certain unalienable Rights, endowed by their Creator, for each individual. Is it not obvious that this government has now purposely reneged on this original intent by ignoring the Constitution and is now itself tyranical? Any clarion call to restore freedoms and Liberty is a call all true Patriots will answer, but all should be weary of calls for revolution that merely demand the government to 'share the wealth and power you have stolen with us' i.e. the OWS.
I think you are channeling the MSM with your critique of OWS. They too want to end the tyranny of the corporate oligarchy and re-institute a just and equitable nation where citizens can live and work and actually earn a livable wage and not be forced into debt servitude just to get the necessary education to be a productive member of society.
Basically, the Liberty Movement and Oath Keepers should be talking with OWS and working together. They all share a lot of the same goals. And Oath Keepers should be out there defending these citizens who are nonviolent and exercising their First Amendment freedoms. Oath Keepers should also be out there in the streets demanding an end to the war of aggression in Iraq that has nothing to do with protecting Americans' freedoms or their security. Those soldiers are being sacrificed for the benefit of the corporate oligarchy.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Wolfowitz are all war criminals, as well as those in the Obama administration.
Dismantle DHS and the rest of the police state apparatus.
End the "War on Terror"
Dismantle the military industrial complex
End the "War on Drugs"
Dismantle the prison industrial complex
Dismantle the Medical/Pharmaceutical industrial complex
etc..
Wake up and realize that the tyrannical government is nothing but a puppet. The multinational corporations and the global elites that run them are the real powers. Our democracy is an illusion and has been for decades.
Americans need to get lean and mean again. Skill up and get local. We are going to have to take care of ourselves and be much more self sufficient. We aren't going to be able to sit back and depend on our global military empire and currency hegemony to provide us with vast quantities of imported resources for much longer. And we aren't going to be able to live beyond our means like we've been doing for the past 30-40 years.
We also need to shift our cultural outlook from what we've been trained the past 30 years. American's can't be predatory like their corporate masters desire. You can't look at your neighbor as some mark that you should try to swindle. He needs to be an ally. What are his skills, what is he good at? How can you work together and make your community stronger and more resilient?
The idea that one can be indebted to the govt to be educated at a state-sponsored institution in order to earn a livable wage is clearly a statist view. Anyone who participates in this scheme has already been duked. The govt is a puppet of multi-national corps. and global elite is true, but if it were limited to the framework the Constitution provides, it would stand against those powers, not work with them. All of this dismantling you speak of, Why not simply dismantal all parts of govt that are unconstitutional? That would take care of all those you listed, but you being a statist, don't really want that because all the things govt does that you think a benefit, would also be dismantled. Just because there are a few goals the OWS has in common with the Freedom movements is not reason enough to join with them. The OWS, being funded partially by Soros, ACORN, and other nefarious groups explains what their goal is. And that is very different from re-instituting a just and equitable nation founded on the principles of individual Liberty, Freedom, and personal responsibility.
I never said I was a statist, don't put words in my mouth. And I never said that people should become indebted to the government to get an education. And I should have mentioned that that wasn't an exhaustive list of what I'd like to see dismantled. I'm down with dismantling any things that truly aren't constitutional and are predatory and tyrannical.
Last I heard ACORN was defunct and to begin with helping people register to vote isn't nefarious...though being forced to choose between corporate crony party #1 and corporate crony party #2 is indeed nefarious.
And I haven't seen anywhere that Soros has provided any funding to any Occupy group. Maybe you could provide a link to your source. Not that I'd really care or that I think it is necessary untrue. Still don't quite understand why people hate on one particular hedge funder and not all the others who are just as manipulative and conniving as Soros.
I do somewhat agree with you that if the govt was limited to the framework of the Constitution that our govt would work against these corporations...hell most of them would have been busted up long before they became so large and could engage in financial and economic tyranny. However, a truly constitutional government can only exist when it is elected and kept in check by an educated and informed citizenry. That is clearly not what we have today. There are large segments of society that look to the corporate elites as gods and believe that corporations can do no wrong. When that is your world view you are going to go and vote for a crony...doesn't matter what letter is beside his or her name.
So maybe you could enlighten us about what the goal of the "Soros and ACORN funded Occupy movement" is? If my memory serves me correctly, the theory was that Soros and ACORN supported getting Obama in office to also get to some mysterious goal. Why then do the govt jackboots attack Occupy if they are supposedly one and the same and are supposed to be working for Soros to get to this final goal?
Fuck the SPLC !
slvrizgold
They are nothing but blood sucking leeches, and agent provacateurs for the PTB.
Like PBS, just worse. LOL
“A Gathering Of Eagles: Extremists Look To Montana”
Reminds me of: "for wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matt 24:28, speaking of false Christs and movements.
Let's ask the SPLC what was their role in killing all those people in Oklahoma City. Certain legislation needed to be passed and the patriot movement smeared. So who better than another patsy - Timothy McVeigh - poster boy for white 'racist's everywhere and government operative. And who better to run Elohim City than the SPLC.
Interesting. I read survivalblog daily, but I confess to having exactly zero interest in either the naive politics or the religious prattle I see there. I also see migration to an "American Redoubt" idiotic. If there's a real emergency, many of the preppers will eventually freeze - few of them understanding the need to cut wood for serveral hours every day all year round if you don't have any other way of warming yourself. If an emergency doesn't materialize anytime soon, you make yourself easy for the government to find and eliminate en masse, should they be so inclined.
In fact, I doubt the government sees these guys as much more than a minor nuisance. There's an economic collapse to worry about, a few wars, resource delpletion and whatnot. A few guys migrating to Montana probably isn't even on the radar.
I'll be gentle, you apparently do not have great reading comprehension. Modern woodstoves are about 70% efficient, 4-5 weekends if your real slow and a solid weekend of splitting in MN (damn cold) will do it. This is not 1840 with stone fireplaces.. You can also cook, can and generally be quite comfortable in a 3k+ sq. ft house.. A few windows facing south and you will have to open windows in January.
FYI, I grew up in a rural area in Pennsylvania and have some quite direct experience with woodstoves, both homemade (We used barrels and galvanized pipe) as well as "modern" variations on the Franklin stove.
FYI, the advantage of stone fireplaces was that while they heated slowly, they also released heat slowly. I suggest you review this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_mass. Modern stoves lack this effect and require a more or less constant supply of fuel in poorly insulated houses (less so in correctly insulated ones lucky enough to have southern exposure and the design to make use of it). My great-grandmother in Scotland had one. Her new-fangled metal woodstove was for cooking until they got a gas stove. The stone fireplace heated the house.
Good luck in your new home. I guessing you'll need it.
Cheers!
You talk a good game but your knowledge is very dated my friend google "lopi" almost 600 lbs of welded steel and if your smart you build a large thermal mass 2500 lbs around the stove but nicely constructed strawman, sorry I burned it down..
Tyler,
Thanks for posting this article, being informed about liberty movements cannot hurt. However, it sure does bring out the loons. Gadsden flag controversy being one of the loonier conspiracies. Even if the flag has its origins in antiquity its popular connotations is what matters at this point..
Two things come to mind after reading this article.
1)....Fuck the Powers-that be.
2)Fuck Hillary Clinton.
Ps.....Fuck you Hillary.
Black helicopters!
MBD....
Why do you come where you are NOT welcome ?
No friends ?
I read Machiavelli's "The Prince" on a flight to Europe last week (it is a short book). Machiavelli wrote the book long before the American revolution, long before Wall Street, during a very bloody European feudalistic period when life was considered relatively cheap and the sole job of a "Prince" was to increase his power.
One interesting thing that he mentions is how a prince (he uses the term "prince" for any titular head) can conquer and control a republic. The people in the republic are accustomed to a certain degree of freedom and so do not willingly submit to the conquering prince. He said that the way to do it is to promote a captive oligarchy, giving the people the impression of living in a republic, but which is from a practical standpoint controlled by the oligarchy, which in turn is beholden to the prince for their position and wealth.
The message is that the American republic may have been created in the late 1700s, but the US corporations and oligarchy that have been created from banking and fiat wealth have maintained tight control of the now United States of America via the banking system, the corporations that grew up around, the oligarchs who run them both and the elected puppet government masquerading as a republic.
"We the People" if ever free, only experienced that freedon briefly. The cure could go a couple of ways: 1. Throw out the oligarchy and reform the country as a republic without the banking/corporate ties and disavowing all prior corporate obligations. 2. Revolt and conquer the titular heads claiming soverignty over us (that would most likely require overthrowing the British Crown, the City of London, the BIS and the Vatical).
In the first case above we would be left adrift from the global rulers who have been running the world and we would have to figure out how to do it without them, their banks, their management strucure and most like end up having to fight them at some point because we would be weak from a global financial perspective. In the second case we just beat them up and become them
'The Prince' was satire, just for reference.
He was an avid Republican, and was critiquing the people who had broken his arm & kicked him out of town.
Morris Seligman Dees, co-founder and chief trial counsel of the SPLC, is the modern era inventor of hate speech. His organization, which receives private donations and gains tremendous government support through its underground connections, has appointed itself “investigator” of “dangerous” groups that it refers to as hate groups. On its extensive list of dangerous groups, it melds mainstream Christian organizations whose “crimes” consist primarily of support for Christian values with neo-Nazi groups and skin heads. The charges imply that they all are the same – marshalling hate against the victims for Dees: blacks and Jews.
Dees’ special targets are the opponents of the current social welfare banker-controlled government. In an amazingly brazen attack he recently singled out G. Edward Griffin, author of The Creature from Jekyll Island, because of Griffin’s opposition to the Federal Reserve System.
His group digs up its charges against these groups, such as the Family Research Council, and prompts the FBI and other federal agencies to act against them.
I'm guessing the OP needs to get a hold on what PERF is:
http://privacysos.org/node/370
It is the same deal as ACPO in the UK (you know, those nice people who are behind FIT & undercover operations on 'radicals' as well as being a PLC rather than a Government body), and not particularly conductive to Constitutional rights. For the record, 12.8% of Police departments in the United States already use Aerial Surveillance Equipment (drones, blimps etc).
Notable statstics among them: 12.8% of PDs surveyed use "aerial surveillance equipment" (likely drones); 64% use GPS for "tracking suspects;" 9.2% use "see through the wall technology;" 48.1% use "electronic listening devices;" and 20.9% use "electronic interception" devices.
http://privacysos.org/sites/all/images/PERFsurvey.png
ACLU can prove useful. Oh, and next time someone asks how to connect a clock to a metal pipe, you politely send them to The Acme Corporation.
Stewart Rhodes a Pima County AZ fake? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IqfuwR8wb4