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Submitted by Gonzalo Lira

Mr. Cheney’s Victory Lap

Dick Cheney is taking a lap around all the talk shows, peddling his memoir while giving his reputation one final spit-shine before he dies and goes straight to hell.

Dick Cheney

Oh—so you actually doubt he’ll go to hell? With the shit he’s pulled? Cabrón, please . . .

It is remarkable that relatively few people seem outraged by Mr. Cheney. Here is the man who, as Vice-President of the United States, violated some of the most important rights, freedoms and liberties that America has defended for over two-hundred years. Not only did he commit what in other times would have been considered war crimes and crimes against humanity—he is proud of having done so!

He boasts about the torture he ordered, he defends the wars of aggression that he fomented, and he is silent about the sweetheart deals he gave his former employer, Halliburton, in the “reconstruction” of countries that he helped destroy.

In short, he violated every rule in the book—yet no one is throwing the book at him. There are no Congressional hearings into his violation of the Constitution. There are no prosecutors sharpening their chops, getting ready to indict him on charges of corruption.

Most of all, there is no public outrage at him.

Sure, some loony Lefties and some old-style hard-ass Conservatives such as myself bitch and moan about him—but no one is seriously arguing for his arrest, indictment and prosecution for the despicable things he did while in office. Or if they are advocating his arrest and prosecution—like me, and perhaps you—then they are on the extreme fringes of the political discourse—like me, and perhaps you: Marginal, and inconsequential.

Cheney was—and still is—at the center of the political discourse, and he operated with a completely free hand, unconstrained by any limitations—Constitutional, legal, moral—free to carry out the most egregious violations of everything that the United States stands for—

—meanwhile, a college kid with a dime bage of pot goes to jail for five years.

This doesn’t surprise us: We know it as a truism that the rules fall like a ton of bricks on some Americans, while for others, those same rules are as light as ether—and just as non-existent.

Consider banking: Local Savings-and-Loans are constrained and regulated up the wazoo—but the large banks are pretty much allowed to write their own regulations. Small banks and S&L’s have to toe the line, as regards capital reserves—but the Too Big To Fail banks can literally make believe any asset is worth whatever they say it’s worth, and therefore covers these capital requirements with nothing but daydreams. (See my discussion of the suspension of FASB rule 157 here.)

Consider the stock markets: Computer-run algorithmic trading has taken over the markets, super-computers trading with one another in a pattern that is, essentially, a pump-and-dump scheme. A half-dozen Guidos out in New Jersey, pulling a pump-and-dump on penny stock, will rightfully get arrested by the SEC. But a blue-chip firm pulling the same shit—only with stock in Apple, Microsoft, BofA or JPMorgan? They’re invited to the $50,000-a-table fund-raising event that the regulator is throwing, as he positions himself for a run for the U.S. Senate.

Consider industries: Small- and medium-sized businesses have to follow every single FDA rule, every single OSHA clause, every single burp in the regulatory legislation, to the point where a lot of these small- and medium-sized businesses are drowning in regulatory sludge—

—but big outfits like Monsanto, DuPont, BP? They can sell known carcinogens to the general public, to children—they can carry out a monopoly against farmers with unhealthy, untested fertilizers and genetically modified seeds—they can cause the biggest industrial disaster ever, and then lie about it for months

—and at most? A small fine. Any jail time for those responsible? Any public investigation, let alone opprobrium?

Once again: Cabrón, please . . .

In today’s America—where egalitarianism was once considered to be the cornerstone of our society—the application of the rules and regulations decreases as you go up the pyramid.

See, it’s not that the rules have vanished as you rise up the pyramid—the rules and regulations are still there: It’s just that they’re not applied to those closer to the top of the pyramid, as Mr. Cheney knows so well.

Why is this? Why have we lost our egalitarianism? Why have we lost our equality before the law?

I think it’s because we have lost our moral self-confidence: The confidence which gives us the ability to say out loud and with a firm voice, “This here is right, while that there is wrong.”

Starting with the 1970’s, our society has marinated in the notion that no one has a right to judge how you live: You can do your own thing, to borrow the phrase from the time. Not only does society not have the right to judge the way you live as to its rightness or wrongness—society does not have the right to judge you.

But of course: Judgment is the necessary ingredient for making moral decisions. You need judgment in order to decide what is wrong and what is right. Without moral judgment, all decisions are reduced to either a hedonistic calculus (how much pleasure will I get from this action, as opposed to how much pain, nevermind if it’s right or wrong), a cost-benefit analysis (how much would it cost me to do this as opposed to that, nevermind if it’s right or wrong), or to a political decision (whose support would I win or lose if I did this or that, nevermind if it’s right or wrong).

Without moral judgment, our decisions ultimately turn us from citizens with a common purpose, into nihilistic actors looking out for ourselves and no one else.

More troublingly, without moral judgment, our lives become untethered from fixed principles, and therefore constantly reactive to the people around us. We become dependent on what others think of us—slaves to public opinion.

(As a parenthesis: We shouldn’t be surprised, if our culture has turned so many of us into raging narcissists. Without a fixed moral benchmark from which to render judgment, we are as untethered as free-floating balloons—and therefore must gauge our place in society not by what we believe, but rather by what other people believe about us. Thus we have to constantly, obsessively examine and re-examine the registry of what others say about us. No surprise, then, the popularity of the social networks, such as Facebook, etc.: They give us feedback as to what other people think about us, and thereby help us gauge and measure our place in our ever-shifting society. Think of it as a school of minnows, everyone swimming in the same, ever-shifting direction, everyone constantly terrified of swimming against the school.)

Since we don’t allow ourselves to tell right from wrong—since we don’t allow ourselves to make moral judgments—we cannot make fine-tuned moral distinctions: We lose proportionality, and moral perspective. We cannot discern that a minor shoving match at a bar is not an “assault”, while shelling people with radioactive munitions is in fact a war crime. We cannot tell the difference—or see the similarities—between robbing a hundred bucks with a gun, and robbing a $1,000,000,000 with a lawyer.

Mindlessly Following the Rules

Directly from this loss of moral proportion—and directly from the sense of being untethered—our society begins to latch on to rules: Mindlessly latching on to rules.

Think of something as absurd as the “three strikes rule” in the judiciary: In some states, if a person commits three felonies, then they are automatically thrown in jail for 20 years or more, irrespective of how trivial the offenses were. And as we have all heard, from too many horror stories for it to be a fluke, we know how deeply unfair this three-strikes rule really is.

Yet so many of us don’t say a thing, shielding ourselves from moral responsibility by that most heinous and despicable of phrases: “I don’t make the rules, I just follow them.”

Think, conversely, of what happened with the banksters: They broke the financial system, immorally profiting from that mess—demanded (and got) an unprecedented government bailout by essentially blackmailing the American economy—then paid themselves record-breaking bonuses with money given to them by the American people.

But these banksters—swine that they are, without exception—did not overtly flout any rule. So nobody said a thing, except some confused souls on the margins and in the blogosphere. The mainstream media? The people with positions of authority? They didn’t say a thing—because the banksters didn’t overtly break any rule or law.

Our society latches on to rules—often arbitrary rules—and turns a blind eye both to the abuses that arise from compliance to these rules, and abuses that arise from the lack of any existing rules.

The reason? We no longer have the moral self-confidence to say, “Screw the rules—a dime bag of pot is not enough of a reason to imprison you for five year”, or conversely, “Screw that it’s not technically against the rules—benefitting from the bankruptcy of your financial institution is wrong”.

Since we don’t have this moral self-confidence, we hold on to rules, no matter how arbitrary, or how morally unsound, and watch as perverse results bloom like weeds in what’s supposed to be a perfectly manicured lawn.

Structural Pliancy

I can tell your objection already: If we are doing this—if we are obsessively latching on to rules—why is it that the people closer to the top of the pyramid can so cavalierly break the rules, as Mr. Cheney has boasted of doing? Why does throwing fifty pounds of trash into a deserted lot merit being thrown in jail for a year, while spewing oil into the Gulf of Mexico for six months or so merits a (proportionately) minor fine?

In short, why don’t the rules apply for everyone, equally?

Simple: Because without absolute moral judgment—that is, with a standard of morality that is relative, and not fixed—then everything becomes a political game, a numbers game. The more people on your side, the more likely you’ll get away with bending or breaking the rules. The application of the rule of law becomes a popularity contest: If you have the numbers on your side, then you can get away with anything.

This is mob rule.

Consider Mr. Cheney, and Barack Obama’s reaction to Mr. Cheney’s crimes: Since he is a former Vice-President, and seemingly popular with his electorate, Mr. Obama sees no upside to prosecuting Mr. Cheney—but plenty of downside.

Consistency would demand of Mr. Obama that, if he prosecutes Mr. Cheney, he ought to prosecute George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, George Tenet, several if not most of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Why? Because all of them are guilty of the same crimes against the American Constitution as Mr. Cheney: Crimes against the Constitution, and crimes against humanity—and I do not use that phrase lightly.

But in this atmosphere of relative morality that is our curse to live in, Mr. Obama has made the political calculation that there is no upside to prosecuting Mr. Cheney or that whole cabal.

Some Lefty pinko faggots might be outraged—as outraged as I am outraged—that Obama doesn’t do “the right thing”. But see, from the position of relative morality, Obama is doing the right thing: He has made the political calculation that it’s not worth prosecuting the Bush-Cheney cabal. The political cost is too high, the political benefit too low—and besides, everyone accepts that Cheney did what he has done, which would leave Obama out of synch with the school of minnows of Washington.

So Obama says, “Forget the past—move forward”, when it comes to Cheney’s crimes.

But when it comes to a whistleblower who embarrasses the military, or the security aparatus? Whistleblowers cause more political harm than political benefit—which is why Obama has been even more relentless in prosecuting than than even George W. Bush was.

See how crazy this is? This is what relative morality has bequeathed us: An evil old man interviewed on all the morning talk shows, cheerfully admitting to the rape of American principles, and to the gang-bang of those principles most central to our common humanity, confident that he will never suffer punishment for his evil deeds. And on the flip side, a whistleblower who saw waste—corruption—treason—and tried to stop it by calling attention to it: He is prosecuted like a criminal—worse than a criminal, if you go by what has happened to Bradley Manning—while those who betrayed the public trust are coddled and shielded from scrutiny—they are allowed to continue their wrongdoing, while the whistleblower who tried to stop it by shining a light on it is sent to jail.

Sapping Our Will

It’s bad enough that this turd of Satan should parade about, boasting of his evil deeds—what’s worse is, the very spectacle of Mr. Cheney prancing about saps America of our will to goodness and decency.

Just as there is a collective mood—the mood of a crowd at the stadium of a winning team, the mood of a crowd fleeing from an earthquake—there is a collective will: The will to goodness—or evil—of a people.

That will to goodness is inexorably sapped when the people see such an evil man walk away with impunity from his awful deeds—in fact, boasting of those evil deeds.

As our collective will to goodness is sapped, we become cynical, tired, depressed—ultimately despirited.

I am unsurprised that our economy is in the doldrums, teetering on the edge of yet another cliff-dive. Simpletons with Ph.D.’s might spew nonsense about “falling aggregate demand”, or there being “a need to provide markets with added liquidity”, or some other triviality, to explain away our reeling economy—but the answer is so much simpler:

Our economy is falling apart because our common spirit is exhausted, beaten down, and miserable—we have lost our vigor as a people. And the reason we have lost our vigor is because we have seen too many injustices, too much corruption—too much evil—that goes unremarked upon, tacitly accepted, and therefore unpunished.

We see Mr. Cheney take his victory lap on the morning shows as we drink our coffee, and realize as we drive to work that—in the current American society we live in—goodness will be censured, whereas evil will go unpunished. Unpunished, and indeed, rewarded.

No wonder we’re so depressed.

The Way Back

We need to get back to making judgments: We need to start saying, “This is right, and that is wrong”.

We already know what is right and what is wrong—we don’t need to hire some expert to tell us this. We know that Dick Cheney committed crimes against the very essence of America, wiping his ass with the Constitution. We know that the banks carried out wrongdoing, with their robo-signing scams and their criminal foreclosures on people who didn’t even owe them any money. We know that we are fed foodstuffs that poison our bodies and the bodies of our children yet to be born.

We know these things: They are not secret, they are not facts that have yet to come to light, or to be proven. They are the truth.

What’s more, these things are wrong.

So we have to stand up—as individuals and as a people—and say out loud: “This is wrong. This is unacceptable. And this must be punished.”

We must judge.

A lot of people—children of the ’70’s, I suppose—claim that judgment is a bad thing: “Don’t judge! You have no right to judge!” is their mantra. They insist that we as a society have no right to judge how they live, or more importantly what they do.

A lot of other people have taken up the same slogan, and adopted it as their own: People like Dick Cheney—like Monsanto and DuPont and BP, who poison us with impunity—like the oil and gas companies carrying out “fracking”, which is causing earthquakes and flammable water on the East Coast—like the TBTF banks and the prop desks front-running their clients, or illegally foreclosing on homeowners—in short, people near the top of our social pyramid.

They have adopted the non-judgmental slogans: “Don’t judge! You have no right to judge! It’s not illegal! We’re not breaking the law! So don’t judge! Don’t judge!” they yell and scream as loud as they can.

They seem so convincing, these slogans: It’s tempting to do what they ask—to not judge. Because judgment is hard. It’s far easier to passively accept a situation—to not pass judgment—to simply let it be—than to stand up, make a judgment, and then say it out loud.

These evil people clamor all the livelong day: “Don’t judge! You have no right to judge! You have no idea what the circumstances were! Don’t judge! Don’t judge! Don’t judge!

When you feel you are about to cave in—when you feel that you are about to cede to these clever people, and accept their calls not to judge them—I want you to remember a single, very simple truth:

Only the guilty fear judgment.

 


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Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Logans_Run
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I have been saying for years that Cheney is one of the most evil men that walks the face of this earth. If he doesn't go to Hell then there is truly no Hell.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:22 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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yes its true. total useful idiot. totally given over to the powers of darkness............and for what?  

 

he didn't gain the whole world, but he did lose his soul.........

 

and for that, i could care less. in a time of no "law"  such men's lives would be worth nothing.... 

 

so we wait...........

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:27 | Link to Comment pops
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Five draft deferments, five heart attacks.  Karma is a bitch.

He had "other priorities." 

Didn't we all?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:03 | Link to Comment iDealMeat
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Pilots know they’re limitations. In inclement weather it is much safer for pilots and passengers to hand over the landing sequence to the computer. The computer can process all the weather variables and GPS coordinates much faster then any human could.. Thus, averting potential catastrophe and creating a smooth landing..

The computer will hit its mark.. Doesn’t matter if it’s a runway, or a building…

Truth is coming for you Mr. Cheney.. and it doesn't accept apologies.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Looking at that photo it appears that Mr. Cheney has "pencil-necked".  Vaya con Dios, amigo. 

And folks, don't buy his f#cking book.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment rocker
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When asked about paying for the war and the tax breaks at the same time.

Cheney said, "Deficits Don't Matter".   So why do all of his people cry now. 

Gold went from 200 to 800 under Cheney? After all, Bush was just his cover boy.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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Cheyney is the man. I would brag about waterboading too.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:24 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Waterboarding was too compassionate for KSM...I've seen the Danny Pearl vid.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:30 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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It is unquantifiable , how much lives Dick Cheney has saved in the long run by killing the scum of the earth like Saddam Hussain and his lowlife sons.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:49 | Link to Comment clymer
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Wha.. What?

Didn't ole CFR-Dick help put him there in the first place?

 

You better rent a helicopter and take a high flight way above those trees and get a good look at the forest, son.

 

your idea of a patriot just might change a bit

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:56 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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conspriracy piled onto conspiracy. You are pathetic

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:30 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Spitzer why do only scumbags with oil get our attention both when were nice and when were mean

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 06:53 | Link to Comment clymer
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"CONSPIRACY!" "AND PILED ONTO MORE CONSPIRACY, I SAY!!"

 

yup. office fires.

 

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=100AB0D5050B41D63CBC2FC1451CEAED 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:00 | Link to Comment krypplephite
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You must be new here...

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Bendromeda Strain
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Let's hold him up against Janet Reno. She did it to Americans, after all. In her favor, she isn't yet crowing and he did forgot to say he did it for the children...

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http://coverups.com/scans/waco2.jpg

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/images/2008/06/21/eliangonzal...


 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:00 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Yes she did.

And the Weavers in Idaho.

And lets not forget the little boy from Miami...Elian...who she sent the SWAT after to give him back to a dictator, Castro...

http://ponderingprinciples.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/elian-gonzalez.gif

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:28 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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I'll bet you have a real purdy mouth.  May I have sex with it?  Call me.

- Chumblez.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Did you ever get that  incontinence  fixed?

You should really back off all that fisting from libs.

I could be wrong, but it certainly seems they have their hand up your ass.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:37 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Is being unclever a hobby of yours?  Or do you approach it more as sport?

- Chumblez.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:44 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Hello asshole.

When you get done fantasizing, I'll comment on the handy aspects of your big ears.

You may spit now.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:00 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Oh, come now.  You'll have to try much harder than that.

- Chumblez.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:08 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Only for my second nut on you...work it chumblez, you can do it ;-)

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:32 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Let us know when you're done being a fag.

= Chumblez.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 06:33 | Link to Comment nmewn
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You started it faggot...right here;

"I'll bet you have a real purdy mouth.  May I have sex with it?  Call me."

We'll do it again sometime, fucking idiot.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:51 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Jealousy is so unbecoming Chumpa.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:02 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Are you and mnewn the fucking Olsen twins or something?  Nice duet there.

- Chumblez.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:14 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Retard can't spell nmewn, classic...can I have a smoke now?...or you gonna keep yanking my chain?...lol.

You got your tit in a wringer over what exactly?...Janet fucking Reno?...Waco, Weaver, Elian...what?

Again, spit it out ;-)

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:26 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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OH I'M SORRY, DID I MISSPELL THAT JUMBLE OF FUCKING CONSONANTS AND VOWELS YOU CALL A NAME?

You forgot to ask me if I care.

- Chumblez.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 06:29 | Link to Comment nmewn
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There's only one vowel dickhead.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:19 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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I'm the good looking one, and no, you can't blow me.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:28 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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have to say it Rodent but hands down, you may be the most disgusting resident of ZH...ex service member eh? (so you say...)

well that doesn't say too much for the god damned service now does it?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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I could have sworn I'm already on record as not caring what you think.

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 01:20 | Link to Comment Libertarians fo...
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Are you from Texas?  

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:44 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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It's easy to see why Cheney is your kind of guy.

Any chance all of you losers can create your own country elsewhere where you fuck with and fuck up each other instead of everyone else on the planet and we never see you pathetic idiots ever again? The sooner the better. I'll contribute a few bucks. Thanks.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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They're trying to fawn their way into one of Dick's epic homo orgies.  Stop trying to fuck it up for them!

- Chumblez.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:59 | Link to Comment sheeple2012
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English, please?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:34 | Link to Comment Crisismode
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You are a Pig of the first water.

 

May you choke on your own detritus, and savour it with relish.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:14 | Link to Comment PD Quig
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You can't reason with the lunatic leftards that love to grovel in the kind of offal that Speedy Cabronista Gonzales has laid out here. The real laugher is that the dumbass lefties don't even realize their complicity in the moral degradation of this country, what with their platform of ludicrous moral equivalence, government-run propaganda outlets (aka public schools), equality of outcomes, a stupifying welfare state predicated on intergenerational theft, indolence and wasted human capital, identity politics, and generalized ignorance and incompetence.

Cheney may well go to hell--for being a bad shot if nothing else--but the notion that he is evil incarnate is pretty fucking laughable. It is a compendium of years of tenuous and tendentious syllogisms masquerading as argumentation from lazy-assed 'progressives' and other conspiracy theorists who are so blinkered that they don't even realize the main problem with this country is staring back at them in the mirror every day.

I carry no water for either Bush or Cheney, but all the fools buying into making one man a moral lightening rod...a fount of evil to blame so many ills of the nation. Well, let's just say, "Chupa-me, pendejos."

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 05:15 | Link to Comment dolly madison
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I agree with how you can't blame one man for the bad.  Rumsfeld and Bush and the men who ordered them, were just as bad, and as far as I can see Obama is looking pretty bad himself when it comes to middle eastern wars.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 06:42 | Link to Comment janus
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we eat an elephant one bite at a time.

do not confuse liberalism with a political party. 

seems lefties aren't the only ones ignorant of their complicity...or are you fascists explicity proud? sometimes i get confused...it happens when reading neocon screeds.

i'm easy to find, bitch!  just look for the giant cock.

janus 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 06:07 | Link to Comment chindit13
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US firm with highest total billings to Saddam's regime, 1995-2000:  Halliburton

CEO:  Dick Cheney.

That's some purist ideologue you're toasting there.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 09:20 | Link to Comment myne
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Cheyney is the man, I would brag about waterboading.

Fixed that for you.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:38 | Link to Comment RickC
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I do get tired of explaining to lefties that Cheney was referring to the impact of deficits on the next election, the 2004 election.  It was true, then, the deficits did not matter no matter how much Pelosi and Reid screeched. 

 

However, deficits will clearly have an effect on the 2012 election as they did with the 2010 election.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 03:20 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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Cheney was right about "deficits don't matter". The reason being that at this point the debt is so large that no amount of austerity can do more than pay interest on that debt without touching the principal. Every time you cut interest rates in half, you double the "liquidation value" of this perpetual debt. No chance in hell it can even be reduced. Debt reduction is propaganda for people like the Tea Partiers who believe that the government budget should be run like a household budget. NOT POSSIBLE!

A better way of looking at things is to analyze priorities as the interest paid on the national debt sidelines all other expenditures, save defence. Left to its own devices, this interest can only increase. It represents tax dollars paid by us tax donkeys and interest received by the Cheneys of the world.

Austerity is just a way of channeling benefits away from middle class people to go directly into the pockets of those who receive the interest on the national debt. It's all about interest now, there can be no debt reduction. But naive people can't back away from the idea of a prudently run household budget, so we will all get screwed by austerity. As always, it pays to look at cui bono in everything that happens in this evil regime.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:18 | Link to Comment shinola
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Don't buy Cheney's book - STEAL IT!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:31 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Good idea.  And then burn it.

- Chumblez.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:37 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Always thought of you as a book-burner, Chumbley.  BTW, where's Tennessee Tuxedo?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:57 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Wow.  That's sad.  You're defending a guy that probably masturbated over the "private" photos of yourself that you sent to your boyfriend over the internet.

- Chumblez.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:06 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Aww c'mon May'K'er, we all know how you Abrahamic types like to have a damned good literary bonfire every now and then. 

Heh, if only you'd burn every last copy of each others' special magical books we might be able to get somewhere decent as a species.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:08 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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If we don't make it as a species, do ya think we're going to evolve into somethin' better, GF?

No idea what the first half of your comment refers to.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:13 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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oooer, I musta mistook you for a Cross worshipper,  Moslem, or Jew...

As far as the evolution thing goes: fuck if I know. If I thought I'd be around to enjoy my winnings I'd give decent odds on extinction, considering the path we're on now.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:32 | Link to Comment 11b40
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He is literally a traitor who sold out his country for profit and illusions of Empire.  As noted by Pops above, he is a coward, too.

He stealthily worked his evil in the bowels of the Defense Department...starting in the early 70's.  Then, he turned around and reaped huge profits from the "privatized" mercenary military he shaped. Now we are 'contracting' God knows what 'services' as our freedoms are steadily peeled away.

I have been following him for over 30 years, amazed that he kept getting away with it, while becoming more ad more dismayed about the direction our country was going.  There are very few men I actually despise.  Dickhead Cheney is at the top of the list.

Too bad I am late to this conversation.  I wish this was a Friday evening post and the article stayed at the top of the Mast Head for the weekend.  We need to hash this out in great detail.

I have to wonder who these junkers are, and what they might have in common with Mr. Dick?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:28 | Link to Comment john39
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do or die when you serve that master.  suceed or indeed, hell waits.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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Cheney is the closest thing this country has produced to Darth Vader...

"Search your feelings, you know it to be true!"

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:45 | Link to Comment john39
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darth cheney...

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Don Smith
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Dick Vader...

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:32 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Actually, he kinda looks like Steve Jobs now.

- Chumblez.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 06:45 | Link to Comment BigDuke6
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LOL.

Pancreatic cancer would be too good for cheney, i'd ask the good lord to give him a stage 4 oesophageal with metasteses to the rectum.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:12 | Link to Comment OuaisBla
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More like Count Dooku. Old, cunning and vicious...

Tim Geithner whould be the "real" Anakin Skywalker then...

 

Of course, the Emperor works at Goldman Sacks. 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 06:40 | Link to Comment Pay Day Today
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"Of course, the Emperor works at Goldman Sacks."

Goldman Sachs = the Death Star

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:08 | Link to Comment harlanaladd
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Bumper sticker, seen in 2008:

"Cheney/Satan 2008"

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:11 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Bumper sticker seen in 2011:

"The One is Done"

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:27 | Link to Comment BoNeSxxx
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Also seen in 2011:

 

2012 -- Don't Renig

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:53 | Link to Comment nmewn
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On a Prius.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:42 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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You are as faggoty as they come.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:47 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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2012 - DOESNT MATTER

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:06 | Link to Comment Hugh G Rection
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Guillotine, Bitchez

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:27 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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And I have been saying for years, the only thing that gets close to matching his psychopathy is his incompetence.  He loves to operate in the shadows, and from there he manages to fuck everything up....

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment jm
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Not disagreeing necessarily.  But what the hell did he do that is magnitudes worse than the rest of the miserable bastards?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:27 | Link to Comment mr. mirbach
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He wrote a book to gloat over all the evil he purpetrated! I'd say that is magnitudes worse.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:30 | Link to Comment weinerdog43
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Oh, I don't know.  Off the top of my head, trying to legitmize torture as an American value is pretty effin bad. 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:38 | Link to Comment jm
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MK Ultra

 

All the same, y'all win.  He's a dick's dick.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:56 | Link to Comment weinerdog43
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In fairness, it wasn't him alone.  I can't stand that douchenozzle Colin Powell either. 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:38 | Link to Comment wisefool
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+1. I love the politicians wh think they are MKULTRA but have no idea how many dollars persecond can be pushed through the federal reserve network.

SNARK: America needs to heal. Uncle warren wants a good contest. how about we go back to the old days and put Obama up against McCain? It be fun.

not snark: for all you space monkeys: evreytime you read an article that does not mention ron paul you need to add something about writing in John McCain to the Ballot. Worst case he gets elected. Best case people learn about sound money and ron paul. Middline case, we get obama or bachman as our local irs agent.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 03:24 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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Can you heal a corpse?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:29 | Link to Comment you enjoy myself
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agreed.  we should have just asked KSM, politely, if he would be so kind as to tell us when/where the next attacks were going to be and to give up the locations of the AQ leadership.  and if, for some crazy reason, KSM declined then, well, Cheney could at least claim he really, really would have preferred to not have thousands more get slaughtered.  but, you know, there just wasn't anything he could have done....

and so instead of doing the right thing and allowing for more attacks and death he got all depraved and such, and poured water on the faces of three people.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Judge Holden
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The amount of logical fallacies in your statement is just hilarious, it's obvious why you are such a sucker for propaganda.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:24 | Link to Comment you enjoy myself
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The amount of logical fallacies in your statement is just hilarious

gotcha - care to point them out?  or would it be better for you to just type HALLIBURTON! and walk away?  i suppose you believe that, as opposed to the descision tree above, no real threat actually existed?

 

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Judge Holden
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gotcha - care to point them out?

Gladly.  

politely, if he would be so kind as to tell us when/where the next attacks were going to be and to give up the locations of the AQ leadership. 

 

The logical fallacy here is a "false dichotomy."  There are other methods of interogation that are legal that produce results, one is not limited to either "asking nicely" or torture (which we've signed treaties banning and prosecuted foreign nationals several times for carrying out.)  Even more egregious is that yoru argument doesn't even make sense as it was several years after the capture of KSM that bin Laden was located.  Even Don Rumsfeld said the following after bin Laden was found:  

“The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

 

really, really would have preferred to not have thousands more get slaughtered. 

Same rules basically apply to this statement.  This is along the same lines of asking someone, "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"  You act as though anyone who does not support torture (which is indisuptably illegal) is condemning us to death when there are actually a huge amount of variables in play.

 

poured water on the faces of 3 people.

You saved your dumbest statement for last.  All those people the US government has prosecuted for waterboarding would be shocked to learn that they were imprisoned for decades for merely pouring water on people's faces. Moreover, the "3 people meme" shows what a sucker for propaganda you are ("but FOX/CNN/MSNBC told me that they only tortured 3 people!!!").  The amount of people straight up killed - not just tortured, but killed - in US custody is more than 100 and possibily significantly higher as many suspicious cases were not even investigated. see http://www.aclu.org/accountability/

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 02:59 | Link to Comment you enjoy myself
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The logical fallacy here is a "false dichotomy."

that's where you're wrong - it wasn't a false dichotomy, it was a real dichotomy.  KSM successfully resisted all normal methods of interrogation, and even provided false info, only until it escalated to waterboarding and sleep deprivation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/28/AR200908...

so when you assert that "there are other methods of interogation that are legal that produce results" you are correct only in theory, and not in reality.  all those other methods you're referring to didn't work, hence the need to move to harsher methods.  and even after waterboarding started, it still took 180+ turns before KSM started singing -- does that sound like a man who succumbs to Good Cop/Bad Cop?  so yes, the choice really was between waterboarding vs not waterboarding, keeping Americans safe vs thousands of Americans getting blown up.

Even more egregious is that yoru argument doesn't even make sense as it was several years after the capture of KSM that bin Laden was located

what does the capture of OBL have to do with this?  that's a complete non-sequitor.  the purpose of waterboarding was to stop any imminent attacks.  which it did.

You act as though anyone who does not support torture (which is indisuptably illegal) is condemning us to death when there are actually a huge amount of variables in play.

again, in theory you're correct, in reality you're not.  in this particular case, had KSM not been waterboarded then lots more Americans would have been blown to bits.  if you want to make the argument that adhering to the UN Convention Against Torture (Geneva Conventions don't apply to AQ, and i'm not sure if the UN CAT does either but will stipulate) is more important than preserving the lives of Americans then do so (i don't say that facetiously).  but don't pretend that the CIA personnel who conducted the waterboarding did so because they were bored and just wanted some sadistic giggles.  they knew full well what legal jeopardy they might find themselves in, yet went ahead anyways -- you don't do that when playing loud music or turning on the AC accomplish the same results.

"poured water on the faces of 3 people."

You saved your dumbest statement for last.

fair enough, i was getting too cute with that line.  getting waterboarded is no doubt an unpleasant experience.  but when we conduct waterboarding on our own SERE trainees, and there's always a doctor present, and you know you'll never be allowed to be harmed, then its "torture" only in the broadest sense of the word.  and so, when it comes down it, if i had to choose between violating the UN CAT and simulating drowning on KSM, and having random subways, buildings, or planes blown up repeatedly, i'd do exactly as Cheney did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 04:39 | Link to Comment Judge Holden
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I thank God every day I (still) have the constitution to protect me from people like you.  You clearly do not understand and/or appreciate the concept of "The Rule of Law", nor the value of human rights.


KSM successfully resisted all normal methods of interrogation, and even provided false info, only until it escalated to waterboarding and sleep deprivation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/28/AR200908...

 

The very article you posted contradicted this claim, yet you posted it anyway. ("During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time,") http://mediamatters.org/research/200908310022 - this website also has some links to other media sources that dispute the notion that waterboarding "worked." Coincidentally, one of the first commentors offered the same pathetic analysis you did, and was appropriately mocked.

 

what does the capture of OBL have to do with this?  that's a complete non-sequitor.  the purpose of waterboarding was to stop any imminent attacks. 


I mentioned the capture of OBL because you said the following: "if he would be so kind as to tell us when/where the next attacks were going to be and to give up the locations of the AQ leadership."  You list 2 separate things there - 1) stop attack and 2) capture AQ leadership.  Waterboarding failed to lead to OBL (as Don Rumsfeld acknowledged), yet you blindly assert vague, unknowable government/MSM claims that "it stopped attacks."

 

"if you want to make the argument that adhering to the UN Convention Against Torture ... is more important than preserving the lives of Americans then do so"

 

This crap again?  You keep puppeting the "it saved lives!" propaganda line, despite it's complete lack of verifiable evidence.  *sigh* In addition, there are things that transcend security concerns, such as human rights and civil liberties.  We could preserve the lives of Americans by outlawing guns in this country, yet we don't becasue it's gauranteed under the constitution. Is adhering to the US Constitution more important than preserving the lives of Americans to you?  The US Constitution asserts that the CAT is the supreme law of the land.

Every government in the world - including the USA - knew that people would make this claim to try to excuse the horrific actions of their own, domestic torturers, yet signed on because they recognized torture as horrific and universally unjustifiable.  The US has imprisoned torturers from other countries who claimed that they were "just trying to protect their country."  This is the same reason why Bush/Cheney and friends can't go to much of Europe - the hosting countries are treaty-bound (no choice) to arrest and put them on trial.  If this is the way you feel, then I suggest you write your Congressman to withdraw the US from the CAT and other treaties.  Or perhaps I should suggest some new countries for you to move to: North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc...

 

"had KSM not been waterboarded then lots more Americans would have been blown to bits."

 

LOL!  You're doing it again!  Authoritarians love people that gullibly buy claims like this.  I guess if you keep telling yourself stuff like this, you start believing it's true.  That helps you to rationalize the cruelty/illegality of it.  Though I suspect somewhere in the back of your mind you have creeping doubts.

KSM is just the tip of the iceberg.  There were people - 100% innocent people - picked up by mistake, flown around the world and "tortured by proxy" for months before being released.  There were detainees beat so hard in American captivity that they died (100+).  Something tells me you don't know much about that.  It reminds me of Orwell's line about how nationalists have "a remarkable for capacity for not even hearing about [their own countries crimes.]"

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 23:34 | Link to Comment Shock and Aweful
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You gotta be the dumbest son of a bitch I had read on here in a long time.

You actually believe that fucking Al-CIA-DA story?

Even if you believe that shit....you sound like one of those "USA, USA, USA" types...so maybe i can appeal to your sense of what used to make this nation stand out and above the rest - our adhearence to the rule of law -

The problem I have is that our leaders decided to totally change the way we conduct ourselves - and did it in all of our names.  The bullshit they pulled reflects badly on all of us - you included dipshit.  They totally threw out the rule of law and lowered the standards of how we treat captives to the same level as the USSR did during the cold war.  Are we not supposed to conduct ourselves better than that?  Doesn't this type of moral relativism open us for some realy bad shit to happen to US soliders, the next time we find ourselves in a major war?  Or worse yet, now that the precendent is set, how about when things start to unravel here at home...and certain groups that are protesting new government policies (maybe to take small arms, or a plan to confiscate gold or land) as terrorists? 

Then, you may find your dumb fucking ass be treated to some "enhanced interogation" - but hey....it's just a little water on the face right - you dumb piece of short-sighted shit.

Flush your fucking head out...the world does not operate like some fucking episode of "24" that you saw on FOX.  Dick Cheny is not Jack Bauer....and there is no fucking time-bomb that will go off unless we torture the shit out of people...that is all propaganda.  A ploy, a ruse, to get small-minded people like you to never question the real motives of your leaders....and those motives are to keep you scared...so you are more easily corralled....to keep you in a constant state of shock...and to look to them for "protection" from the boogie man - regardless if it is the communists, the anarchists, the terrorists, Saddamm Hussein, Khaddafy, Al-CIADA, Hamas, or some home-spun right-wing christian extremist group....people like you need to be told they are being kept safe....because you want to believe it I guess.

You are hopeless I suppose though...so you keep cheerleading for Satan.

 

 

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:51 | Link to Comment you enjoy myself
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You actually believe that fucking Al-CIA-DA story?

ok, i stopped reading right there.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 04:51 | Link to Comment CSA
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I'll give you holding ourselves to a higher standard.  That's a good spiritual argument.  

 

I won't give you "paybacks are a bitch".  When involved in another major war, the enemy will do whatever it takes to win or whatever it can get away with.  How we treat our POW's will not be reciprocal, but it will be what we can live with morally.  If the enemy thinks war crimes will win it, they'll commit war crimes.

 

On a side, but related note.  Our country has a long history of abuses.  I do not care to apologize for those "trail of tears" or japanese internment moments, just move on.  History will repeat itself with abuses (and in every other way) because we as humans are flawed.  Our founding fathers were no better or worse than we are today.  They were simply living the best they could, doing what they thought was right.  Not unlike our so-called "leaders" of today.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 06:31 | Link to Comment centurain
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When SEALS have to undergo waterboarding during BUDS training and dirty pacifist hippies waterboard each other on the streets of NY then I think logically we can stop calling it torture.  Do you really side with the people who caught 4 contractors then proceeded to cut off their hands and penis after which they were lit on fire and dragged through the streets of Baghdad instead of Americans who poured water on the face of some guys and made them THINK they were drowning.  Grow up...

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Judge Holden
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I think logically we can stop calling it torture.

Then why did we prosecute Japanese who used it on our POWs for torture?  Why has our government/MSM always defined it as such before we started doing it?  Why did John McCain and Barrack Obama both define it as torture?

Do you really side with the people who caught 4 contractors then proceeded to cut off their hands and penis after which they were lit on fire and dragged through the streets of Baghdad

I believe serial killers should be given trials and treated in accordance with the law, that doesn't mean I'm siding with them.  You people always have to resort to these stupid fallacies b/c your argument is unwinnable.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:51 | Link to Comment Flocking swans
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YEM, I hope you never get another Chalkdust Torture.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 06:42 | Link to Comment Pay Day Today
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You better not be calling Jack Bauer un-American. He will show you the true meaning of patriotism.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:08 | Link to Comment slyhill
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I hate that evil old fuck as much as the next guy, but incompetence?  I mean, I guess I would have to understand his true intentions before I would call him incompetent. For all I know, he succeded with his agenda.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:13 | Link to Comment reader2010
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Cheney was very competent at stealing taxpayers to make his former employer super-rich. Remember he promoted the Iraq War would only cost no more than $20 billion and would be over in no more than six month?  The reality is that the direct war cost has escalated to more than $4.5 Trillion since the invasion, and the war has not even ended yet.  Of course, they have to steal from you and me to pay for this perpetual war. 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Surly Bear
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More evil than the Bernank? Just askin...?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:08 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Riddle me this; for all Cheney's government jobs just which benefits does he receive? No one has ever answered that question for me. Obviously he gets all the VP stuff, but does he receive congressional bennies stacked on top of that? And bennies from his other "jobs" in BIGOV?

And his fucking daughter how much of the government tit is she sucling on?

Someone, anyone please list just how the fuck much Cheney receives yearly for his past service, list each and every perk we the people have stolen from us to line his pocket.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:38 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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Well lets see he has had what 4 or 5 heart attacks (ot doesn't one have to have  aheart to have an attack?) and last year was basically but in a coma for 3 weeks.

So i am going to say the NPV of his health care since the 70's is proabably close to $1T.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:31 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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It looks like they didn't do a very good job of matching the Reptilian with it's host body. Someone should be held accountable. /s

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:33 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Cheney is the first Vice President to ever be granted secret service protection after leaving office.

It was supposed to be for six months but Obama has extended it.

Obama Extends Cheney's Secret Service Protection
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/07/10/obama-ex...

and then there is the untold fortune he likely made of the Halliburton "no-bid" bullshit. That's got to be in the billions.

and for anybody about to jump in and say "he sold his shares...bla bla bla"...wake the fuck up.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:39 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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When you've scared up what he makes, look up what he gives away.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:02 | Link to Comment kubrick007
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great post lira. 

 

only thing i would say is nothing has changed. it has always been this way. we are more acutely aware now simply because of the internet. all of us 1 in a 100s that don't believe the bullshit found each other.

 

also u r wrong (i think) about a few points. u discuss media and congress and president as if they are outsiders to the powers. they have ALWAYS been 1099 contractors to the powers. from day 1. not because they are flawed. it's just that their job description is to work for the powers. in this sense, it is wrong/amoral for the president to stand up against his bosses (the power) for the "people" just as it would be treasonous to steal from your own employer...this would be like working at mcds yet supporting burger king in public. btw constitution is just a piece of paper. sorry it cannot compete with what $1 billion pieces of paper can buy u today.

 

finally, u r right about cheney. he is dick #1 supreme. with all the rage against obama, who i think is just as treasonous as the rest, it is forgotten how vicious cheney was. i don't necessarily think obama at his heart is evil, nor any other president in the past. bush and obama share in common that they are idiots. but cheney is pure evil. i can say with a very clear mind though after seeing the tea bagging convention that is anti-obama which was silent for the prior 8 years--- that republicans are way better at marketing!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:28 | Link to Comment monoloco
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Obama doesn't prosecute the Bush/Cheney regime because they set the precedent for him to break the same laws.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 03:30 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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I thought it was Krugman we're supposed to hate now. Sometimes I just can't keep up.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:26 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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Unfortunately, hell exists, but only on Earth.  But this war criminal gets the very best of everything including the best medical care in the world to keep his dark heart beating.  On that topic, he should have hope since scientists have recently cloned rat hearts successfully.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 03:32 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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It's been no doubt scientifically proven that the Hell of the Bible does not exist. But could you please back that up with some hard evidence?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:25 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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You have to love how roughly 20% of the people here voted against your truthful comments. These are the kinds of trashy human specimens who guard the concentration camps that will one day house the few remaining decent human beings. They look up to trash like Cheney because they know nothing but hierarchical systems and they don't mind being pissed on by the big boys above them, just so long as they can really put it to those people below them and show them who the boss is. And...if they are lucky enough to show just the kind of grit the scumbags love, they might move up a notch or two on the ladder.

They will likely run a Chenneyesque ideologue scumbag that will really appeal to these dirtbags in the next election. They're getting us ready for the Warlord political economic system that will likely follow our current fascist system.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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Bush and Cheney are Christians you fucking loser. They are a force for good, not evil. They would have killed Hitler before WW2 and fuck faces like you would say the same thing that you are sayin now.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:15 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Hahahahahaaha! Quit f'ing around... bringing tears to my eyes;  "They would have killed Hitler...", priceless.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:26 | Link to Comment 55 men
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"They are a force for good, not evil."

They sure do have a funny way of showing it.


Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:37 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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You assume much and know little. Bush's granddaddy financed Hitler.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

You also assume Christians are a force for good. I see little real-world evidence that Christians are morally superior to non-Christians.

Perhaps you should learn a little more about the real world before making statements based on assumptions. Although I know it's tough to pass beyond being a sheople herd animal.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:39 | Link to Comment malek
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I've seen funnier trolls

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 23:50 | Link to Comment logically possible
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Hey Spitz, 
     It's funny you brought up Hitler. I've often wondered if Cheney and Hitler share the same DNA.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 10:08 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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oh they're christians. Where do you buy your history books?  

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:57 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Did you forget to hit the 'sarc' button?  Just checking.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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You Don't Know Dick

Dick Cheney Hunting Footage! FOX NEWS NEVER BEFORE SEEN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR7CH9zvD6s&feature=related

LOL

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 01:34 | Link to Comment chalcedonite
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Yet, in our "don't judge" trip we have become the most "judging/judged" society.  We have more laws and regulations... and licenses... and FED departments... filling buildings and libraries... and bytes.  And more prisoners filling prisons (which is unbiblical). 

When I talk biblical law, which is contained in one medium sized book, I am called extreme and legalistic. 

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 01:49 | Link to Comment janus
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hey buddy,

what was the name of that english theologian you quoted a few months back?  i've got a little space freed  up in my reading schedule, and i want to try to fit him in...it's hard for me  to believe there's a theologian of such heft and i've, heretofore, been totally unaware of him -- i think it was in reference to daniel 6 (if that helps).

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Irish66
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There aren't enough jails for all the politicians.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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jail is too good for them and it's a waste of money.

off with their fuckin heads and call it a day.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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So, really we should go for the Project Mayhem solution? I am asking in all seriousness, tho Marla & Tyler had cautioned us against making any threats,fantasies, etc. Gonzalo says we should judge and call 'em out, well OK, I (and plenty of others I know) have pointed out Cheney's many faults to anyone willing to listen. Unfortunately, CNN isn't interested in interviewing me. Do we bring in kamikazes? How far are we going to have to go?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:34 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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Funny how the lowlife peace mongers like GL say Cheney was behind all evil yet Cheney refused to go on FOX news. He only did CNN.

FOX news hated Cheney, all of them.

That goes to show he was a man of principles

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:23 | Link to Comment pods
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So Cheney only went on one side of the dialectic?

Wow, that proves alot.

pods

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:02 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Spitzer, 

I rarely have an opinion about people, but after your comments on cheney, hopefully you will be drawn, quartered and fed to dogs without having cheney's dick removed from your mouth. 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:08 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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Spoken like a true lefty koolaid drinker. What I find is when the dumb public is so sure on something(like the gold bubble) they are usually dead wrong. They are wrong on Cheney. Cheney was a force of good.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:18 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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c'mon Spitzer, it's starting to wear a bit thin, no? Don't belabour the joke.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:19 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Spoken like an idiot neocon with his head so far up his ass his ears are full of shit. cheney was one of the most evil people of the last century. Hitler and Stalin were pikers compared to dick "one more heart attack please cheney".

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 03:35 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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You are totally out to lunch, and I'm no Cheney fan.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:53 | Link to Comment clymer
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project mayhem is not a go *REPEAT* not a go, until Tyler says it's a go. By which time we will all be tyler saying it's a go. And we will all know full well, that we have no choice.

 

There is still a chance to wake military, police and congress up.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:17 | Link to Comment pods
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 I like your optimism, but would not put money on it.

pods

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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Clymer, I assure you, have no doubt, from the highest level down to the lowest security officer, they are not waking up. People are holding on to the delusion of the beast with all their being. What you get now is a white eye over the shoulder, as they recall the warning(s), and the only reason their eye is looking back is because the market has fulfilled the warning given to them which they did not heed, and all the natural disaster events etc... described for them that are to occur have combined and drawn that eye over the shoulder also. By the time any of these weak-minded people, in position to help themselves, are moved to do so, they will be motivated by the same thing that keeps them on their ass in their current pathetic position. self preservation (short term gain/thinking they have time to remain in contempt). http://bible.cc/matthew/10-39.htm Of course that's the nature of the system of the beast, by the time the fearful realize their own judgment is killing them, if mercy has not come upon us, the judgment sealed in the short term renders the dead unto the bottmless pit ...Bitchez.

Not only have I witnessed first hand in real life (in D.C. etc...) what I just offered, but, I witnessed the judgment coming in a dream (vision). The people were never moved, even though they heard the strorm and saw the destruction. A pillar of fire began to wipe out everything as it came right for them and still they were not inspired to do anything other than continue as they were, ...dead. 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 03:41 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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You are right that this crisis has an eschatological dimension and no amount of tucking the carpet into corners will fix things. People sense this, which is why they at least half-believe in the 2012 phenomenon.

People who have not suffered from evil are incapable of believing in it.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:15 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, police and military please, please, please wake up.  Just look at Hitler's early henchmen to see what they have planned for you!  Do you want your ancestors to know that when tyranny came to America you helped carry it out?!  If you do not join the side of freedom YOU will be a target.  Just look at what happened in Romania in 1989. 

 I know that many, many of you are awake, but too few.  How else do we have police willing to swat team sellers of raw milk, wooden guitars, organic food and shut down kids lemon aide stands!!?.

What would your mother think of what you are doing?!  Get off the steroids and reverse the brainwashing!  We are praying for you!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:34 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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Pitchforks are more personal and satisfying

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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Cheney is the emdodiment of Evil.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:10 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Tyler...

Give us our spellcheck back!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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:)

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:56 | Link to Comment JohnG
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It's there, left click twice, right click -> check spelling.  It might be just a browser function.....

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:12 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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I don't care how much unicorn blood darth cheney drinks his date with death is nigh.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Sutton
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Fracking causes earthquakes on the East Coast?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:16 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Cheney going to hell? Sorry Gonzalo...but even Satan has standards.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:52 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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heaven and hell are here on earth.  Darth sent many to hell

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:39 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Well, where else is going to go, Detroit?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:16 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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Dick is going to perish, there is no doubt.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:01 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Cheney the great Darth Vader of global military industrial Bilderberg-Group parasitism.  How could a country ever vote this larval, tentacular, cancerous Prince into the puppet master seat for 8 years?   

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 23:26 | Link to Comment Judge Holden
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Many of their most brazen acts of lawbreaking (torture, domestic eavsdropping) were not known until after the 2004 election, and the public didn't fully understand how catastrophic the invasion of Iraq was until 2006.  Plus there's always a segment of the population that craves authoritarians to tell them what to do/think.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:16 | Link to Comment silverbullion
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Only the guilty fear judgment - Very true.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:16 | Link to Comment sheeple2012
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His daughter wears a strap-on... enough said about his leadership skills

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:49 | Link to Comment bill1102inf
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thats hot

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:14 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Attacking somebody's jacked-up kids isn't very manly..., it's poor form.

Enough said about your leadership skills.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:30 | Link to Comment janus
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kudos on that

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:11 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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...Dick has proved his ability to attack kids and slaughter as many as possible in order to ...um, keep the price of oil low? naaa. Ummm, to make the world more secure? naaa. Ummm, to protect and serve the Constitution, liberty and freedom? naaa. Oh yeah, to put a force in the Middle East to ensure the last moves on the ZBigNew World Order Grand Chessboard. Dick is as cracked up as the worlds largest Occult Dick, an Eqyptian god's ''member'', which has 666 measured at the base etc... and is also the symbol of the ''Point Within The Circle'' (fallen angel's descent into the tempted and corrupted body/black hole) which also represents the ''Second of Sirius'' star gate timing when the Sun and Sirius line up on the 4th of July. How charming it was to hear Rosemary's Baby and the Whole House raise the mark of debt higher in order to keep screwing the world ...after Dick Colin and Bush managed to use; the implosion of Enron accounting in WTC 7, and JP Morgan's Trillion plus in WTC 1 Cantor Fitzgerald holding company, and lets not forget the Cue Iraq Quack's squawk about 2 plus trillion of DOD lost funds he mentioned the day before 911, ...to screw the world. Sooo ironic that the accounting section at the Pentagon was hit too. When did they break ground for that pentagram? ...oh yeah, 9.11.1941. lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl0H1EUQ_38

...yeah, Dick is a big Middle Finger. What a Nimrod he has been. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2LBhsB4sX4

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 01:12 | Link to Comment janus
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fret not, BHD.

janus has something very witchy brewing for the 10th anniversary.  I haven't yet begun its compostion -- but you may want to cruise by around eight in the morning on the 11th.  I suspect it will come in two parts -- a north and a south;and it may be of interest to you.

it is always bad form to criticize the father for the flaws of the son, and vice versa.  besides, cheney give us ample material for condemnation; we needn't drag any of his kin into this.

janus

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:30 | Link to Comment Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Only a republican bloodsucker could have a lesbo daughter (no apologies or judgement from the Jeebus freaks), and only Bammie--under Left cover--could destroy social support systems on a scale that Bush would dream of.

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