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Guest Post: Mr. Cheney’s Victory Lap

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Submitted by Gonzalo Lira

Mr. Cheney’s Victory Lap

Dick Cheney is taking a lap around all the talk shows, peddling his memoir while giving his reputation one final spit-shine before he dies and goes straight to hell.

Dick Cheney

Oh—so you actually doubt he’ll go to hell? With the shit he’s pulled? Cabrón, please . . .

It is remarkable that relatively few people seem outraged by Mr. Cheney. Here is the man who, as Vice-President of the United States, violated some of the most important rights, freedoms and liberties that America has defended for over two-hundred years. Not only did he commit what in other times would have been considered war crimes and crimes against humanity—he is proud of having done so!

He boasts about the torture he ordered, he defends the wars of aggression that he fomented, and he is silent about the sweetheart deals he gave his former employer, Halliburton, in the “reconstruction” of countries that he helped destroy.

In short, he violated every rule in the book—yet no one is throwing the book at him. There are no Congressional hearings into his violation of the Constitution. There are no prosecutors sharpening their chops, getting ready to indict him on charges of corruption.

Most of all, there is no public outrage at him.

Sure, some loony Lefties and some old-style hard-ass Conservatives such as myself bitch and moan about him—but no one is seriously arguing for his arrest, indictment and prosecution for the despicable things he did while in office. Or if they are advocating his arrest and prosecution—like me, and perhaps you—then they are on the extreme fringes of the political discourse—like me, and perhaps you: Marginal, and inconsequential.

Cheney was—and still is—at the center of the political discourse, and he operated with a completely free hand, unconstrained by any limitations—Constitutional, legal, moral—free to carry out the most egregious violations of everything that the United States stands for—

—meanwhile, a college kid with a dime bage of pot goes to jail for five years.

This doesn’t surprise us: We know it as a truism that the rules fall like a ton of bricks on some Americans, while for others, those same rules are as light as ether—and just as non-existent.

Consider banking: Local Savings-and-Loans are constrained and regulated up the wazoo—but the large banks are pretty much allowed to write their own regulations. Small banks and S&L’s have to toe the line, as regards capital reserves—but the Too Big To Fail banks can literally make believe any asset is worth whatever they say it’s worth, and therefore covers these capital requirements with nothing but daydreams. (See my discussion of the suspension of FASB rule 157 here.)

Consider the stock markets: Computer-run algorithmic trading has taken over the markets, super-computers trading with one another in a pattern that is, essentially, a pump-and-dump scheme. A half-dozen Guidos out in New Jersey, pulling a pump-and-dump on penny stock, will rightfully get arrested by the SEC. But a blue-chip firm pulling the same shit—only with stock in Apple, Microsoft, BofA or JPMorgan? They’re invited to the $50,000-a-table fund-raising event that the regulator is throwing, as he positions himself for a run for the U.S. Senate.

Consider industries: Small- and medium-sized businesses have to follow every single FDA rule, every single OSHA clause, every single burp in the regulatory legislation, to the point where a lot of these small- and medium-sized businesses are drowning in regulatory sludge—

—but big outfits like Monsanto, DuPont, BP? They can sell known carcinogens to the general public, to children—they can carry out a monopoly against farmers with unhealthy, untested fertilizers and genetically modified seeds—they can cause the biggest industrial disaster ever, and then lie about it for months

—and at most? A small fine. Any jail time for those responsible? Any public investigation, let alone opprobrium?

Once again: Cabrón, please . . .

In today’s America—where egalitarianism was once considered to be the cornerstone of our society—the application of the rules and regulations decreases as you go up the pyramid.

See, it’s not that the rules have vanished as you rise up the pyramid—the rules and regulations are still there: It’s just that they’re not applied to those closer to the top of the pyramid, as Mr. Cheney knows so well.

Why is this? Why have we lost our egalitarianism? Why have we lost our equality before the law?

I think it’s because we have lost our moral self-confidence: The confidence which gives us the ability to say out loud and with a firm voice, “This here is right, while that there is wrong.”

Starting with the 1970’s, our society has marinated in the notion that no one has a right to judge how you live: You can do your own thing, to borrow the phrase from the time. Not only does society not have the right to judge the way you live as to its rightness or wrongness—society does not have the right to judge you.

But of course: Judgment is the necessary ingredient for making moral decisions. You need judgment in order to decide what is wrong and what is right. Without moral judgment, all decisions are reduced to either a hedonistic calculus (how much pleasure will I get from this action, as opposed to how much pain, nevermind if it’s right or wrong), a cost-benefit analysis (how much would it cost me to do this as opposed to that, nevermind if it’s right or wrong), or to a political decision (whose support would I win or lose if I did this or that, nevermind if it’s right or wrong).

Without moral judgment, our decisions ultimately turn us from citizens with a common purpose, into nihilistic actors looking out for ourselves and no one else.

More troublingly, without moral judgment, our lives become untethered from fixed principles, and therefore constantly reactive to the people around us. We become dependent on what others think of us—slaves to public opinion.

(As a parenthesis: We shouldn’t be surprised, if our culture has turned so many of us into raging narcissists. Without a fixed moral benchmark from which to render judgment, we are as untethered as free-floating balloons—and therefore must gauge our place in society not by what we believe, but rather by what other people believe about us. Thus we have to constantly, obsessively examine and re-examine the registry of what others say about us. No surprise, then, the popularity of the social networks, such as Facebook, etc.: They give us feedback as to what other people think about us, and thereby help us gauge and measure our place in our ever-shifting society. Think of it as a school of minnows, everyone swimming in the same, ever-shifting direction, everyone constantly terrified of swimming against the school.)

Since we don’t allow ourselves to tell right from wrong—since we don’t allow ourselves to make moral judgments—we cannot make fine-tuned moral distinctions: We lose proportionality, and moral perspective. We cannot discern that a minor shoving match at a bar is not an “assault”, while shelling people with radioactive munitions is in fact a war crime. We cannot tell the difference—or see the similarities—between robbing a hundred bucks with a gun, and robbing a $1,000,000,000 with a lawyer.

Mindlessly Following the Rules

Directly from this loss of moral proportion—and directly from the sense of being untethered—our society begins to latch on to rules: Mindlessly latching on to rules.

Think of something as absurd as the “three strikes rule” in the judiciary: In some states, if a person commits three felonies, then they are automatically thrown in jail for 20 years or more, irrespective of how trivial the offenses were. And as we have all heard, from too many horror stories for it to be a fluke, we know how deeply unfair this three-strikes rule really is.

Yet so many of us don’t say a thing, shielding ourselves from moral responsibility by that most heinous and despicable of phrases: “I don’t make the rules, I just follow them.”

Think, conversely, of what happened with the banksters: They broke the financial system, immorally profiting from that mess—demanded (and got) an unprecedented government bailout by essentially blackmailing the American economy—then paid themselves record-breaking bonuses with money given to them by the American people.

But these banksters—swine that they are, without exception—did not overtly flout any rule. So nobody said a thing, except some confused souls on the margins and in the blogosphere. The mainstream media? The people with positions of authority? They didn’t say a thing—because the banksters didn’t overtly break any rule or law.

Our society latches on to rules—often arbitrary rules—and turns a blind eye both to the abuses that arise from compliance to these rules, and abuses that arise from the lack of any existing rules.

The reason? We no longer have the moral self-confidence to say, “Screw the rules—a dime bag of pot is not enough of a reason to imprison you for five year”, or conversely, “Screw that it’s not technically against the rules—benefitting from the bankruptcy of your financial institution is wrong”.

Since we don’t have this moral self-confidence, we hold on to rules, no matter how arbitrary, or how morally unsound, and watch as perverse results bloom like weeds in what’s supposed to be a perfectly manicured lawn.

Structural Pliancy

I can tell your objection already: If we are doing this—if we are obsessively latching on to rules—why is it that the people closer to the top of the pyramid can so cavalierly break the rules, as Mr. Cheney has boasted of doing? Why does throwing fifty pounds of trash into a deserted lot merit being thrown in jail for a year, while spewing oil into the Gulf of Mexico for six months or so merits a (proportionately) minor fine?

In short, why don’t the rules apply for everyone, equally?

Simple: Because without absolute moral judgment—that is, with a standard of morality that is relative, and not fixed—then everything becomes a political game, a numbers game. The more people on your side, the more likely you’ll get away with bending or breaking the rules. The application of the rule of law becomes a popularity contest: If you have the numbers on your side, then you can get away with anything.

This is mob rule.

Consider Mr. Cheney, and Barack Obama’s reaction to Mr. Cheney’s crimes: Since he is a former Vice-President, and seemingly popular with his electorate, Mr. Obama sees no upside to prosecuting Mr. Cheney—but plenty of downside.

Consistency would demand of Mr. Obama that, if he prosecutes Mr. Cheney, he ought to prosecute George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, George Tenet, several if not most of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Why? Because all of them are guilty of the same crimes against the American Constitution as Mr. Cheney: Crimes against the Constitution, and crimes against humanity—and I do not use that phrase lightly.

But in this atmosphere of relative morality that is our curse to live in, Mr. Obama has made the political calculation that there is no upside to prosecuting Mr. Cheney or that whole cabal.

Some Lefty pinko faggots might be outraged—as outraged as I am outraged—that Obama doesn’t do “the right thing”. But see, from the position of relative morality, Obama is doing the right thing: He has made the political calculation that it’s not worth prosecuting the Bush-Cheney cabal. The political cost is too high, the political benefit too low—and besides, everyone accepts that Cheney did what he has done, which would leave Obama out of synch with the school of minnows of Washington.

So Obama says, “Forget the past—move forward”, when it comes to Cheney’s crimes.

But when it comes to a whistleblower who embarrasses the military, or the security aparatus? Whistleblowers cause more political harm than political benefit—which is why Obama has been even more relentless in prosecuting than than even George W. Bush was.

See how crazy this is? This is what relative morality has bequeathed us: An evil old man interviewed on all the morning talk shows, cheerfully admitting to the rape of American principles, and to the gang-bang of those principles most central to our common humanity, confident that he will never suffer punishment for his evil deeds. And on the flip side, a whistleblower who saw waste—corruption—treason—and tried to stop it by calling attention to it: He is prosecuted like a criminal—worse than a criminal, if you go by what has happened to Bradley Manning—while those who betrayed the public trust are coddled and shielded from scrutiny—they are allowed to continue their wrongdoing, while the whistleblower who tried to stop it by shining a light on it is sent to jail.

Sapping Our Will

It’s bad enough that this turd of Satan should parade about, boasting of his evil deeds—what’s worse is, the very spectacle of Mr. Cheney prancing about saps America of our will to goodness and decency.

Just as there is a collective mood—the mood of a crowd at the stadium of a winning team, the mood of a crowd fleeing from an earthquake—there is a collective will: The will to goodness—or evil—of a people.

That will to goodness is inexorably sapped when the people see such an evil man walk away with impunity from his awful deeds—in fact, boasting of those evil deeds.

As our collective will to goodness is sapped, we become cynical, tired, depressed—ultimately despirited.

I am unsurprised that our economy is in the doldrums, teetering on the edge of yet another cliff-dive. Simpletons with Ph.D.’s might spew nonsense about “falling aggregate demand”, or there being “a need to provide markets with added liquidity”, or some other triviality, to explain away our reeling economy—but the answer is so much simpler:

Our economy is falling apart because our common spirit is exhausted, beaten down, and miserable—we have lost our vigor as a people. And the reason we have lost our vigor is because we have seen too many injustices, too much corruption—too much evil—that goes unremarked upon, tacitly accepted, and therefore unpunished.

We see Mr. Cheney take his victory lap on the morning shows as we drink our coffee, and realize as we drive to work that—in the current American society we live in—goodness will be censured, whereas evil will go unpunished. Unpunished, and indeed, rewarded.

No wonder we’re so depressed.

The Way Back

We need to get back to making judgments: We need to start saying, “This is right, and that is wrong”.

We already know what is right and what is wrong—we don’t need to hire some expert to tell us this. We know that Dick Cheney committed crimes against the very essence of America, wiping his ass with the Constitution. We know that the banks carried out wrongdoing, with their robo-signing scams and their criminal foreclosures on people who didn’t even owe them any money. We know that we are fed foodstuffs that poison our bodies and the bodies of our children yet to be born.

We know these things: They are not secret, they are not facts that have yet to come to light, or to be proven. They are the truth.

What’s more, these things are wrong.

So we have to stand up—as individuals and as a people—and say out loud: “This is wrong. This is unacceptable. And this must be punished.”

We must judge.

A lot of people—children of the ’70’s, I suppose—claim that judgment is a bad thing: “Don’t judge! You have no right to judge!” is their mantra. They insist that we as a society have no right to judge how they live, or more importantly what they do.

A lot of other people have taken up the same slogan, and adopted it as their own: People like Dick Cheney—like Monsanto and DuPont and BP, who poison us with impunity—like the oil and gas companies carrying out “fracking”, which is causing earthquakes and flammable water on the East Coast—like the TBTF banks and the prop desks front-running their clients, or illegally foreclosing on homeowners—in short, people near the top of our social pyramid.

They have adopted the non-judgmental slogans: “Don’t judge! You have no right to judge! It’s not illegal! We’re not breaking the law! So don’t judge! Don’t judge!” they yell and scream as loud as they can.

They seem so convincing, these slogans: It’s tempting to do what they ask—to not judge. Because judgment is hard. It’s far easier to passively accept a situation—to not pass judgment—to simply let it be—than to stand up, make a judgment, and then say it out loud.

These evil people clamor all the livelong day: “Don’t judge! You have no right to judge! You have no idea what the circumstances were! Don’t judge! Don’t judge! Don’t judge!

When you feel you are about to cave in—when you feel that you are about to cede to these clever people, and accept their calls not to judge them—I want you to remember a single, very simple truth:

Only the guilty fear judgment.

 


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Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Frederic Bastiat
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Lawyers should take note, unethical rhetoric, stretching the truth, misrepresentations, etc. are all forms of manipulation, and are thus lies.  You are also on your way to join Mr. Cheney. 

Americans are suffering from our collective self deception, that connecting ourselves to the truth doesn't matter--or even worse--that there is no truth.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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WTF?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:39 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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Oh no! A glitch in the Matrix! They are coming!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:25 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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/chuckle

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 01:13 | Link to Comment Frederic Bastiat
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Yeah, I also noticed this--though it doesn't matter, I've been here since early '09--and I heard the postal service before any of my friends.  So...

Read Economic Sophisms, loved it. 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 01:15 | Link to Comment Frederic Bastiat
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showdown? noon?

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 07:01 | Link to Comment BigDuke6
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This could be interesting... there can be only one....

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:45 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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Ying to the Yang

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:09 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Haha! Never even heard of the guy.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:12 | Link to Comment JohnG
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Talk to jm.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:33 | Link to Comment ServingMyKing
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Your indignation rings hollow you partisan hack.  There are plenty of more egregious offenders than Dick and his Republican cohorts but you seem to have blinders on.  They all likely deserve another term....in the penitentiary.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:42 | Link to Comment ramblinon
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Curious...  who else has been responsible for 3,500 unnecessary American deaths as a result of greed?

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 12:26 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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that's a big list you provided

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:34 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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cheney is indistinguishable from satan

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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Look at your Encyolpedia twenty years from now. Next to the term fascism will appear a photo of Richard 'Dick' Cheney. I kid you not. Warprofiter+ War Initiator + Halliburton+ Vice-President+ Wall-Street+ Draft Dodger+ Lifetime Washington Insider. Today they just don't wear little red hats

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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There won't be any in paper form, just Wiki and those who write it

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment ColoradoNugget
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Cheney is an American despot.  Thank God he never got to be president, even though he probably pulled W's strings all the time.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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I thought he was already dead............lol

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment ramblinon
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I consider him culpable for the deaths of the thousands of people who have died in Iraq... all so his Halliburton options and RSUs could jump up in value.  He is a traitor in the truest sense of the word.  I would love to see him strung up over an overpass, Taliban-style.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Please include the innocent Iraqis and make it 100s of thousands.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:13 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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Fuck you retard. Deaths where all muslim on muslim, sunni s shite

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:24 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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"Deaths where all muslim on muslim."

Right.  Well done.  Touche.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:35 | Link to Comment ramblinon
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Bad spelling troll spels badlee

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment NuckingFuts
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I guess he showed you. Don't you feel stupid now?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:19 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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Don't forget all the US soldiers his actions (and GW's 'to be fair') that have died, been maimed, suffering ptsd ... the politicians did this to them.  How many Iraqi's were on those planes again?  0

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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Cheney is scum bag, a war criminal, may he rot in hell!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:43 | Link to Comment dumpster
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these guys all.. are filling out the resumes for positions in the slime pits of calcutta.

bucket by bucket , life time on life time ,

as ye sew ye reap.  

they stand first in line ,  

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:37 | Link to Comment Cheshire.Cat
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Amen brother!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:38 | Link to Comment William Murderface
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Dammit to hell I can't believe I didn't buy HAL stock once he got elected.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Captn Morgan
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Clinton/Gore- I do remember those unethical, lawbreaking, murdering BITCHEZ!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:48 | Link to Comment dumpster
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Hand in hand with others , no such thing as unintended consequenscences . (sp)  

All experience is an outpouring of our own doing .    Every act is now showing itself in what we call suffering..

think of those things ,  why are so many hacked to death in the sudan,, maybe they were the hackers of the roman empire . 

as you sew you reap.. and maybe not in this present experemce .. the mills of the gods grind slowly but they grind away.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:49 | Link to Comment poor fella
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So to sum this article,

"It's best to empty your mind and not be judgemental when looking through the scope of a BFG..?"

 hmm, interesting

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:45 | Link to Comment LivermoreJim
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What crimes???  In the upside down world of this writer, and many others, defense of country, industry, oil drilling, ddt killing mosquitoes is a crime.  And everything is a conspiracy due to the right wing.  The next monument in Washington should be Cheney's.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Let them all fail
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Jim - Maybe you were being sarcastic, but if not, just because you say something is for "national defense" it doesn't mean you can automatically do it.  So as long as you say its for defense of a country, in your words, its ok to torture, kill, invade, deprive of human rights, secretly spy on our own citizens, and many other actions against our own constitution?  Of course not.  If an action is illegal than that means it is against the laws of this country and if you choose to do it anyways you go to jail. You can't just choose to say fuck you to the law and our constitution because it is inconvenient and in the way of your "national security" agenda.  If it were OK for them to do all that stuff they would just make it legal and tell people they were doing it and people would be OK with it because its for their own defense.  However, the breach of our civil liberties and the rules that lay the foundation of this country, it turns out, are not worth sacrificing to most in return for some "national defense" as we call it, turns out people don't like being deprived of their rights.  That's why they lied about going into Iraq, lied about illegal wiretapping, lied about all sorts of things, because even in the name of national defense, crime is criminal and even if those ciminals are at the highest levels of our government, they should not be immune from the justice their actions deserve.

And to add briefly, in context of Monsanto, etc. - I believe Mr. Lira is referring moreso towards their efforts, for example, to make labelling a product as "organic" or using "no GMO products" illegal - This obvious attempt to mold the laws to their advantage with no legitamate reason as to the need for these laws is disgusting and should be looked upon as such, but it seems that policiticians and many people are unable to see that Monsanto is using its heavyweight status to change our laws to fit their business model somehow we actually companies to achieve such actions (though this one, luckily has not yet been successful), but for anyone to take them seriously in their lawsuits, which they know smaller organic farmers cannot afford to fight, is absoultely ridiculous, they should be laughed and booed out of the courthouse, but no, they are Monsanto, we must not judge them, they are only trying to grow profits...right?  No, not right, that is bullshit and should be called out and not accepted.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:49 | Link to Comment monoloco
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I was reading comments over on the Fluffington Post and the fucktard Obama apologists were justifying the attack on Libya because Gadaffi's daughter in law mistreated her nanny. We're all fucked, the corporate/ government media Newspeak has the sheep completely hypnotized.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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great post, the reasons for debt/oil invasions will get ever more bizzare

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:45 | Link to Comment DK Delta
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Dick Cheney is a psychopath who feeds off of evil and negativity. Imagine how many people wish him harm. Millions of people want him to die on the spot, and the bastard is still alive. He releshes and basks in evilness.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Captn Morgan
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WOW! you could say the exact samething about Obama.......hmmm, that's wierd.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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It seems that way at first--then you realize what the two party system really is.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Old. No. 7
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Punching bag for the left, icon for the right, perfect interface between the public and their masters. A professional.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:47 | Link to Comment duncecap rack
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I would have liked this article more if the author hadn't equated moral authority with where people stand in the left right continuom. I am way to the left of most people here but I rage to anyone who will listen about the exact same lapses of moral judgement.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Let them all fail
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Great article, thanks Gonzalo

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Didn't any of you clueless morons ever think that, just maybe, the foreigners who pat you on the head, and tell you how smart you are when you hate on your own country, might not have your best interests at heart when they do that?

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:15 | Link to Comment poor fella
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The people (and events) I'm scared of respect no boundaries... period.

And please don't pat me on the head for any reason ;)

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:21 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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People who opposed Hitler weren't considered to be "good" Germans back in 1939.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:00 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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You're right, how ironic. Hitler was a socialist who rose to power after the terrible economic turmoil of Weimar Germany's hyperinflation. Sounds kinda like people opposing Obummer today.  =/

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:28 | Link to Comment JohnG
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You sir/madam may have been gifted the power of foresight.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 10:35 | Link to Comment Antipodeus
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Hitler and his gang called themselves 'national socialists' -- largely in order to attract supporters.  But they were Fascists, allied with the industrial/financial elites (but in a quiet way) who regarded them as useful, expendable fools  -- until they found themselves the expendable fools.  But then, to Hitler, EVERYONE was expendable.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:34 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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I agree with you rodent freikorps. I believe Patton said liberal democrats are the lowest form of scum on Earth.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:20 | Link to Comment TJ00
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You sound just like DoD psyops, all fear and no facts, conflating the rule of law with hate and an individual with an entire country, do you really think the people that read and post here are as stupid as the people on Facebook? 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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I am far too focused and sane to be part of DoD.

I think like a wolf.

There are only two types of enemies, those that have been properly dealt with, and those still alive.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 07:09 | Link to Comment BigDuke6
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This has been a very enjoyable thread to read and the battles amusing.

RF , you've fought bravely but you give yourself away.

'i think like a wolf' - yes, and as such you are no use to anyone.

No use now, nor after the rapture you hope for.

We , your friends at ZH will help you change.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 12:32 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Ah Duke, there are only two types who made it through maybe. Like the parents of the dead. They just can't go there. Been looking for your input on this string.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 17:32 | Link to Comment BigDuke6
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We r the last ones on the dance floor as often, if not always Davey.

Would ya have it any other way?

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:36 | Link to Comment AmericaRacket
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10 likes for this comment = 10 fascists on zerohedge = 10 fascists too many.  Although I will not propose that zerohedge be censored because I am not like Dick Cheney.

 

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Thu, 09/01/2011 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I'll add to the recommendation, this site is a must read *bookmark* for anyone who treasures well-crafted investigative writing, truths, and subtle wit.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment NoClueSneaker
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Bill Casey ?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:52 | Link to Comment long-shorty
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where is the flammable water?

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:24 | Link to Comment JohnG
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In my glass beside me?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment GCT
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Wow it sounds like you all are describing most politicians.  Nothing new here.  Both sides fuck voters over and kill people to promote their agenda.  Look at Bush or Obama they both do basically the same thing and yet nothing will ever happen.  While you all bitch about who does what they are all fucking you.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:23 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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Preach it.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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Exactly GCT.  Many of the posters here are playing with themselves hopelessly lost in the false right left paradigm.  I used to be a NeoCon then I learned the truth.  Hey gang.  It does not matter which puppet is in charge.  They are just puppets.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment poor fella
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Old, well viewed clip, but still a classic: "Iraqi quagmire"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

There's a special place beneath hell for Cheney, litter-bugs, and tailgaters.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 12:40 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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posted it farther up before I saw your post. In criminal law, the defendant is often the prosecutors best witness. This clip is also the answer to those who blame all the peripheral carnage on the muslim on muslim "radicals." Cheney is evil and psychotic but he is not dumb. He knew the hell our invasion would unleash. He also is an expert on peak oil. That tells you the greater hell he pictures without the black stuff.   

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:56 | Link to Comment DonutBoy
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I like the guy.  Vietnam was stupid, why go there?  I favor disproportionate response to acts of terror.  I favor enhanced interrogation of non-U.S. citizens who are reasonably likely to have information about people or plans for future acts of terror.  In any prior war, non-uniformed combatants captured in combat operations would be hung, not sent to Cuba to have us provide Koran's and Islamically-acceptable food.  Was Haliburton a sweetheart deal?  I don't know, but a competitive procurement would have taken too long and quite possibly been more expensive.

It's not that we're all afraid to judge - we just don't all agree with you.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:21 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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"Vietnam was stupid, why go there?"

Iraq was "stupid" too.  Why send people to die there, murder civilians and destroy the infrastructure?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:57 | Link to Comment monoloco
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Iraq was stupid so why go there? We upset the geo-political balance of the middle east by giving the majority Shia the power in Iraq strengthening Iran. We were much better off with the secular despot Saddam Husein in charge.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:10 | Link to Comment pods
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You sir, are dangerous.  

And no, that is not a compliment.

pods

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:34 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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Donut Boy, please quit playing checkers and think multi-level chess.  If we allow torture of "non-citizens it is just a matter of time before the torture of U. S. Citizens is condoned.  The Department of Homeland Security was set up to be used against the American people.  Time to wake up and smell the tyranny.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment divide_by_zero
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Obama is hardly in any kind or morally superior position from which to prosecute Cheney. He's the same shit pulling the same shit and would not want to be judged when he's done.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:07 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Exactly.  Obama is the "smooth" version of Cheney. I have been saying this since before Obama was elected--to the chagrin of all my NPR-radio -listening, liberal Obama loving friends. 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:58 | Link to Comment nevadan
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Any benefit of doubt I might have given Cheney evaporated when I saw this clip.   What a phoney bastard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CheeOqOi1ZY

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Juan Wild
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Cheney, that zionist ass-licking American traitor.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment gwar5
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G.L., whatever you think or say about Cheney, the current bunch in the White House are such big criminals and liars they make Dick Cheney look like somebody's gay grandfather at a flower show.

The current bunch is getting many innocent people killed giving AK-47s to the drug cartels, they back the attempted marxist coup in Honduras, they started 3 more illegal wars, they are backing the Muslim Brotherhood in the USA and MENA, they let the Black Panther billy clubbers off the hook, and they're causing riots around the world with their massive deficit spending/redistribution. 

I'd rather have Cheney back, at least we can call him out and criticize him without being called a "racist".  Waterboarding 3 terrorists eight years ago looks pretty damn tame these days.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:00 | Link to Comment ozziindaus
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but no one is seriously arguing for his arrest, indictment and prosecution for the despicable things he did while in office.

some are

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxdpxNvpPrE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4PhpET8HNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy7L76rHRyY

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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Brilliant!  I'm keeping this article.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:11 | Link to Comment bugs_
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Cheney is awesome.  You take a pic of him when he's wearing sunglasses and a naked chick shows up in the reflection.  Top that!!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Lexington Duffet
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Quite amazing these folk believe they are entitled to any victory lap. 

Cheney haad a large role in manipulating the US into the Iraq War AND in conving many the war should be financed by borrowing.  As Cheney pointed out, none of this mattered because they could just blame others.   Which they continue to do.  Amazing anyone would consider this a "victory."  Among those who did consider Cheney's work a "victory"?   Osama Bin Laden. By invading Iraq, the US inflamed many middle easterners against the United States and greatly weakened both the US finances and its military.  

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:12 | Link to Comment NoClueSneaker
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 Dick Cheney lives and piss on yer heads.

How about dat superiority of the Bubba The Shooter ?

Low on ammo ?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:17 | Link to Comment learning2
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Dick Cheney’s Heart of Evil, Psychopathic Political Systems, And The Correct Uses of Social Stigma

'...“When powerful people are not held to account, when they have no worry about their reputations, it creates a moral hazard – not unlike what’s happened with the banks. Anti-social behaviour is rewarded, failure is also rewarded, and we’re trapped inside a system of perverse incentives.”

In America, and every other modern totalitarian society, the political rot at the top is allowed to sustain itself and reproduce the system of criminality, corruption and deception until the point of collapse.

When the collapse finally comes the criminal elite find new ways to profit, this time from the collapse, while leaving the people to starve and die like rats. This is what happened in Russia in the 1990s when the oligarchs looted the society.

Social stigma is turned on its head in such dehumanized societies. Instead of government criminals and authoritarian psychopaths getting a bad wrap, it is the people who expose their lies and crimes that face social derision and rejection. Truth-tellers are demonized and stigmatized as “conspiracy theorists” and “nut jobs” for pointing out that the government’s official narratives are giant lies.

The most effective counterweights against political corruption and government tyranny are the press and civil society. Since the official press in America and the West does not serve the people and or care about the rule of law, the job is left to the alternative press who represent civil society...’

read more here: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/234167-Dick-Cheney-s-Heart-of-Evil-Psychopathic-Political-Systems-And-The-Correct-Uses-of-Social-Stigma

The gist: prosecute these criminals, NOW!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 23:26 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Alternative press has to be careful out there: BBC journalist killed during Taliban attack 'may have been shot by US forces'

Investigation finds Taliban attackers may not have been to blame for death of 25-year-old Ahmed Omed Khpulwak in July

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/26/bbc-journalist-taliban-us-fo...

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:16 | Link to Comment docmac324
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Good post, best I've read in a while, and so true.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:18 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Some Lefty pinko faggots might be outraged—as outraged as I am outraged—that Obama doesn’t do “the right thing”. But see, from the position of relative morality, Obama is doing the right thing: He has made the political calculation that it’s not worth prosecuting the Bush-Cheney cabal. The political cost is too high, the political benefit too low—and besides, everyone accepts that Cheney did what he has done, which would leave Obama out of synch with the school of minnows of Washington."

Judge not lest you be judged...Barry ;-)

He figured out rather late for a, ahem... "constitutional law professor"...that the WH is in fact, term limited. Its not a life time gig. He's a little slow on the uptake.

The next President could just as easily indict him...Fast & Furious gun running to the Zeta drug cartel perhaps? Or drone attacks on family hovels in Afgaaahhhneeestan & Pockeeestaaahn without (audible gasp from audience as Rachel Mad-cow's head explodes)...a civilian trial!!!

Or for just the more mundane Chicago criminal syndicate/cronyism of going after Gibson Guitar and not Martin Guitar who also uses Indian rosewood. Campaign contributions?

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/christian-martin.asp?cycle=10

Or closing car dealerships for the same reason (Rafferty the Car Czar). Or railroading IG's (Walpin).

You betcha...lol.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 12:45 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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so true and I might add... fear for his life. As you know, they're all in the sewer. 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 18:18 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Yes they are, some more than others ;-)

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Kerel
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Desert Storm was Cheney's show. I give him credit for that. And for not kissing anybody's ass in the media, who hate his guts.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:22 | Link to Comment HarryHaller
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Acquire Dresser Industries as CEO of Halliburton, and when that went south (asbestos lawsuits) accept the offer to run as VP for GW, which he had previously rejected.  Start a war, and hand Halliburton untold $$ in no-bid contracts.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:29 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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Priceless.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:25 | Link to Comment Save_America1st
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wow...never thought I'd see Zero Hedge go the way of the Kool Aid drinkers, but then someone (Gonzo) writes up a bunch of ranting tripe about a great many things only a Kool Aid guzzler would spew about, all the while dropping a bunch of childish curse words and name calling, and all I see are people cheering him on??!!??? 

I'll say it again...wow...thought most on here were deeper than that and didn't fall for the Left/Right WWF match TPTB put the sheeple through year in and year out. 

And anyway...has anyone even read Cheney's book yet?  No, of course not, because I don't even think it's been released yet, and if it has, I doubt any of you own it or could have finished it yet.  Someone let me know if I'm wrong and you own and have read the book already.

Read the book, and maybe you'll all learn something.  I plan to buy it and contribute some of my fiat to the Evil One! whoooooooooooo, scary!

Will none of you (Or Gonzo) buy and read the book to find out just what Cheney has to say?  Or is "Darth Cabron Cheney" incapable of truth in your eyes, so why bother reading what he has to say before going nutso about the guy?

I never thought people on this site would resort to old lame SNL skit insults like a bunch of sheeple.  Don't fall for that kinda shit people...I, for one, always thought the people of ZH saw beyond that kinda crap because they know all the many troubles in this country and world go back hundreds of years, involving many people doing many bad (and good intentioned) things.  Mostly bad though, and Cheney is hardly up there w/ the likes of those who really pull the strings on this world.

What's next?  That Rush Limbaugh is the evil Emperor and runs the Illuminati?  Fracking causing earthquakes and water on fire was lame enough, jeez, gimme a "fracking" break already.

Compared to Al Gore, Cheney is a saint!  But I won't get into trashing the father of the Internet and the biggest global wind-bag who ever existed to justify Cheney's right to defend his political decisions...I think/hope you get the point without me having to expand on that any further. 

I read Gonzalo's blog from here and there time to time...not very often.  I have too many other things I like to read before I get to him on my big list of what/who to read each day.  But this write-up really wasn't even worth the time to read in my opinion.  Unfortunately it ended up on ZH for some odd reason...oh well.

Keep stackin' the phyzz folks!!!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:35 | Link to Comment kennard
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Finally, a little sanity.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:40 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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I only expect this sort of drivel (the article) out of Max Keiser. Why's he living in France again? Oh, right, because liberals always flee rather than fix tough problems.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:37 | Link to Comment AssFire
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They all think he's behind 911...because he used to run al qaeda through the CIA. Thats all.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, that was the "bad" Al Qaeda.  Now the "good" Al Qaeda is helping us overthrow the sovereign nation of Libya.  We can't have the most advanced country in Africa going unmolested and they dared to have their own currency and had zero debt.  No, no, no!  We can't have that.  You have to borrow from the deminati banks at interest.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:03 | Link to Comment monoloco
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Who needs to read Cheney's self-serving drivel? 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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"Darth Cabron Cheney" incapable of truth in your eyes, so why bother reading what he has to say

Exactly why I won't be buying or reading with what that low life criminal scum pollutes the literary world.

Cheney a saint...

Nah he's no saint even compared to the worst of the criminal scum.

cheney's right

Criminals like him forfeit his rights.

You sound like a cheney ass licker.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 12:49 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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I know, but when some lines are crossed, like murder, you kind of lose some credibility and respect.  

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:31 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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I'd rather Cheney in the WH over B.O. any day of the week. That red diaper-doper-baby affirmative-action megalomaniac demagogue.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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I judge Cheney to be a Dick of the lowest order, but your argument doesn't have anything to do with the 1970s, which was more about making moral judgements around individual social & sexual preferences, not about war criminals.  

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:37 | Link to Comment Albertarocks
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And some people think the description "barbaric relic" refers to gold.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:39 | Link to Comment Buffet's Jet
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Is this guest poster named Keith Olberman by any chance?

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Debt by Chocolate
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Geez, I think his book is shorter than this rant

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:42 | Link to Comment diesheepledie
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The end of an era. So sad. Dick Cheney is one of the greatest. Second only to dear Dr. Kissinger. I hope, like Kissenger, they harvest organs from Guantanamo Bay prisoners and keep him alive until we have the technology to make him immortal and upload his consciousness into Skynet.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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We have the technology to rebuild this man....

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Fanatic
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Some of the comments were spot on, but when you start posting things like "...the oil and gas companies carrying out “fracking”, which is causing earthquakes..." you just ruin your credibility. Might as well throw in "911 was an inside job" for the same effect.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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911 was an inside job

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:54 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Don't be silly, Bush is a "retard" he could never have pulled off the biggest hoax in world history.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:08 | Link to Comment DonutBoy
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It is such an incredible delusion to believe this.  The United States cannot get the names of the terrorists on the CIA watch lists to the airports so their names can be checked when they board planes.  Yet you imagine a secret cabal can arrange the hijackings, the hidden demolition charges, the near-miss at the pentagon.  All with no leaks.  It's not possible my friend - they aren't that good, they're a bunch of bureaucrats.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:40 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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You have obviously done zero independent research.  For one, please explain away how the BBC reported the falling of Building #7 while the buidling still stood in the background over the shoulder of the BBC reporter or how brown men in caves got NORAD to stand down during the attacks, or how two pristine supposed terrorist passports turned up in the 9-11 rubble and just happened to be found by FBI agents?

If the government threatens the lives of you and your family members if you talk you will not talk.  This is pure evil we are talking about here sir.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:13 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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Or was 911 a job done by those on the inside standing outside? LOL.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:34 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, enjoy a good laugh with the visions of citizens jumping to their deaths rather than fighting the flames inside.  I see nothing to laugh about concerning that event regardless of how it was pulled off!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:23 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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Some of the comments were spot on, but when you start posting things like "...the oil and gas companies carrying out “fracking”, which is causing earthquakes..." you just ruin your credibility.

read up Fanatic - quake has some very interesting signatures.

http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/28/6-strange-anomalies-with-the-virginia-...

911 was an inside job.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:36 | Link to Comment SOLnow
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Excellent article GL.  You have absolutely nailed it.  Few things would bring me as much joy as watching Cheney swing from a rope.  May he rot in hell.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:47 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Dirt Rat
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As a Lefty pinko faggot who religiously reads this site, I absolutely concur with your remarks, Gonzalo.

I think, however, the biggest problem is not with morality. After all, morality is something imposed by the group on the individual. The biggest problem is lack of personal ethics. It's something that comes from within, the personal desire to do what is right and not what is simply expedient or easy.

I have always been taught that we look to our leaders for cues on what is the correct, ethical behavior. After all, they are supposed to strive for the best and be the best examples for what is right. However, when we see the people at the top behaving unethically, it tends to give the green light to those below. Or as that great Greek proverb goes, "The fish rots from the head."

The fish's head has been rotting for quite some time and needs to be cut off, lest the entire carcass decays.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment vegas
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Add me to the list of those on ZH that think this post is nothing more than liberal blood lust.

Compared to Barry Soetero, Cheney would be a godsend in the WH.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:59 | Link to Comment diesheepledie
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Agreed +1000. I couldn't even finish it without gagging from the smell of liberal bed wetting. Of all the possible things that can be written about The Dark Lord, this was certainly a pile of steaming estro-driven emotional crap.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:30 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"I couldn't even finish it without gagging from the smell of "progressive" bed wetting."

Fixed it, no charge ;-)

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:59 | Link to Comment BoNeSxxx
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I used to think like that... I was a card-carrying right wing Ayn Rand capitalist crusader of the highest order.  Then, a funny thing happened -- I WOKE UP.

The L/R paradigm is an illusion and a distraction.

Fact: The government agencies that are supposed to look out for our collective interests (EPA, FDA, Treasury, FDIC, SEC, et al) have been hijacked by the Washington DC/Oligarchy revolving door.  Each of the fore-mentioned agencies is now under the total control of ex-Monsanto, DuPont, GolSachs errand boys.  There is a fox in charge of every henhouse. 

Nothing changed with the swearing-in of Mr. Change.  More of the same.

The moral decay and unfettered flatulence of an unapologetic cabal of oligarchs marches on in the light of day.  I still don't think Rand had it totally wrong -- she only attributed virtue to high capitalists.  As was so well pointed out in this article, when it comes to virtue, today's corporate and banking machine is a vacuum.  Ignore it at your peril.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 21:12 | Link to Comment diesheepledie
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I woke up, felt like shit, had a headache, and went back to sleep.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:57 | Link to Comment dumpster
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resumes now being taken for the slim pits of calcutta .  

the long line stretches into history.  as such calcutta slums will be largely inhabited. by the flotsome of each generation on an ongoing basis 

where do you think this population comes from  .

our own actions .  reward themselves .

study emerson for the details

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:58 | Link to Comment luckylogger
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This is in every part of our society, I was seriously injured at work one time and found out the ratio of how much the ins. adjuster screwed me to how much their christmas bonus was. She basically fuked me over for a 10k christmas bonus and.................. she knew it and told me there was nothing I could do about it.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:40 | Link to Comment JohnG
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There's these things called lawyers creeping around everywhere these days.........

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:58 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Fairly good article. 

Except Lira disparages one side, and somehow doesn't his own.  But alas, it's really one side.  American or not. 

There isn't a difference between Bush or Obama.  Just a few little nuances really.  They both serve the same monetary master.  Thus if Obama prosecuted THEIR ideas and deeds, he'd be prosecuting HIS ideas and deeds.  Perhaps in the beginning that would've just 'sucked' for him.  Now it means being on trial right next to them.

Sounds like Lira is still a bit confused, but heading toward the correct area.  He sees some of the machinations, but forgets the backstory for the proper context.

I'm pretty sure dick said he authorized the torture.  Because that's what it is.  Plenty of 'specific' crimes exist.  People just aren't drawing the lines to specific laws right here, right now.  So yes, Dick violated the Geneva convention, people can figure the rest out or google it, or whatever. 

Obama has violated the geneva convention, people can figure the rest out.

Monetarism, thereby Austrian, Keynesian, and all other monetary schools of non-thought, are anti-american.  Following them and enriching banksters instead of using an American Credit System, is violating the constitution.

Obama violated the war powers act.  Nothing has been authorized in regards ot Libya.  The list goes on and on, like  the Super comshitty.

Dick lied about WMD's.  Rummy gave WMD's to Hussein.

Private armies, halliburton-kbr, so on and so forth.   All profiteering off war.  Illegal war.  Imperial war.  (and it's funny when you consider their sophistry motivating fears can be quelled by a science driver program, it makes their actions even more idiotic)

Why can't the army provide food like they used to? Last I checked, lots of stuff used to be donated by businesses. They even once asked people to go meatless on tuesdays.  But you see then, the people would feel the existance of the war, and lots of wall street corporations make money off selling meat.

 

The specifics are out there on DICK, they've been written about many times.  On tv many times.  Just no one does anything about it.  Hell he's even admitted to doing these things, he just frames it as not being against the law.  That somehow, they are 'different' than torture.  Torture is torture.  Waterboarding is torture.  Sleep dep, is torture. 

Of course we even outsourced the really dirty shit to other countries.   Abu Gahrib's policies were ordered from up high.

Some people say if you don't have an indictment backing you up, you don't have an argument.  That's pretty pathetic.  Fact is, there have been so many illegalities that have been gotten away with, many people have gotten used to not doing anything about it.  It's the useless boomers once again (infecting all age brackets sufficiently), afraid that if they do something, they'll be JFK'ed.  Or as Lira says, whistleblow'ed, or manning'ed. They've been in fear of doing anything against them since JFK-Vietnam.  The hippies didn't change the cruel world, they joined it, and pushed it further than their parents. Of course not everyone was a hippie either, the people that cheered on Vietnam and never questioned it, I'm sure never questioned much corporate dogma throughout the decades as well.

Iran-Contra should have brought down a whole lot more than it did.  But even now, some of those dipshits are looked upon as patriots.  How fucking sick is that?

So I guess by some people's rationale, no wall street bankster has committed a crime, because no one has indicted them?

There's lots of idiots out there.  There's lots of details out there.  There's lots of admissions out there.  Just no one wants to go on record within the structure.  If Obama wasn't a wall street whore, he would have prosecuted them.  If Obama wasn't a whore to the same bullshit geopolitical imperial sophistry, he would have prosecuted Dick, Bush, etc.

But with the same ideologies in charge, the idiots are still scared.  They have no support from high up, and won't take it on. 

Even Lira is still a bit lost on things.  He doesn't see it as quite enough big picture yet. 

Left is bullshit, right is bullshit, center is bullshit, non-partisan is bullshit (because usually this is a guise for pure corporatism). 

Lira makes some good points about arbitrary laws.  It's been like this for a long, long time.  People suck it up like it means something. 

There are people out there that will believe any law is legit, because it's law.  I call those people fucking idiots.  The law has to be legitimate, or it's bullshit.

But since our laws are mostly British Corporate Law bullshit based, people forget we are not under Natural law, or even Common law.  We are under sophistry law, which is what British Corporate Law is. In the beginning it wasn't so much of an intrusion, but as years go on, and more bullshit is built into it, the more it comes to dominate our lives. 

I still remember this dumb cunt trying to argue in college that students should get kicked out of school (different one) because they saw online something they can do to see if they got accepted to the school.  Most just copy and pasted something into a browser.  Technically it's hacking, even though they were only looking at their own account to see if they 'got accepted'.  But the dumb bitch was like, but they broke a law.  They'll gain an advantage.   But what did they actually do? What crime was actually committed? What detriment did someone suffer? What advantage did they gain?  Becuase they walked over an arbitrary line, regarding themselves, people got kicked out of school, and many idiots thought that was fine, because a law was broken.    It just couldn't get through her head that nothing wrong actually occured.  But then again she was a member of a religious cult that it itself creates a bunch of such dumbass nothing laws and adheres to them...just because....cough...Mitt R...cough.

In fact she tried to shame me like I was taking the wrong side, so I threw it back at her.  That I couldn't believe she could hold such a bunk position, throwing people out over nothing, potentially destroying lives.  I'm sure many of us have debated bullshit laws like this.  They exist everywhere.  Arbitary, and usually pro-corporate, or pro-rich, or against the poor, so on and so forth. 

As one psycho once wrote correctly, it's the 2nd set of books.  Indeed it is.

Because British Corporate Law is now overtaking the American Constitution....without ever being tried against it. (or in very small select cases, and hell even that shit's rigged now)

 

Super comshitty, Unitary Executive, Signing statements, Patriot Act, Federal Reserve, so on and so forth are all examples of bullshit being written into law to usurp our constitution in favor of corporations that usually the British Corporate Law cannot touch because of it's lmitations, for corporations favor. But all these years later, they've found ways to get around it.  A couple of hundred years later, and with a dumbed down public, they've almost finally suceeded in destroying this document.  Close, but no cigar.

We need to get back to good ol natural law, from which the inspiration of the Constitution sprang forth.   People need to take on the crimes right in front of them, and must confront the people at the very top, whether the media calls them most liberal senator, or right wing radical, or tea party favorite.  If they are following sophistry, monetarism, corporatism, then they are wrong, because in AMERICA we're supposed to follow natrual law, the constitution, and from that use a credit system which enables freedom and pursuit of happiness.  Money isn't free speech, corporations aren't people, and laws because they are on the books, aren't necessarily just. 

Just look at police officers, where they always say, 'I don't know the circumstances', 'I'm not in that officers shoes'.  That's a usual response to a blantant crime of an officer by another officer.  Or as the self-immolation psycho said, the courts now push off judgement to bullshit 2nd set of book laws.

In real courts the truth will be PROVEN.  Perhaps if we can get our AT LAW from time to time actually be OF LAW.  But as the idiots don't understand, an unproven in court truth, doesn't mean it isn't truth.   Truth is truth.  Whether a kangaroo court recognizes it or not.  Truth is truth, whether or not a bunch of sophistry believing idiots who vote or write laws recognize it or not.  You can't get away from the truth.  You can either accept it's findings and make the appropriate decisions, or bury your head in the sand.  This country, over the last 40 years has been solely putting it's head in the sand.  Never challenging anything, giving outs to obama, or some other politician on whatever side.  'oh they'll kill him'. SO? Let them try.  Do the will of the people.  Follow the truth.  But Obama was never really with the people, nor was the tea party, or the republicans.  They've been with the corporations and with moneatry ideology.  Thus they hold THOSE laws above OURS, even if they claim OURS are in their hearts.  Pure bullshit.  Talk is cheap.

Impeach Obama

Pass Glass-Steagall

Throw the rest of the bums out that fight it.

Don't forget, in America, everybody has the right to judge.  (but you see they get scared on the...lest ye be judged...bullshit).  So everyone plays CYA, instead of actually engaging in actions of what's neccessary to develop the tools to protect our republic.  Which of course makes sophistry that much more penetrating.  They can't judge if it's true or not.  Thus they buy the bullshit.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:58 | Link to Comment exceller
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Cheney is one of the most solid people in government in my entire life. What exactly are his crimes? Nobody seems to spell it out very clearly if you ask me. This opinion piece is a very poorly written string of ad hominems and as usual does not even lay a glove on Cheney.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:08 | Link to Comment Dan Watie
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<-- Cheney. a lovely man!

<-- Cheney, a piece of shit!

 

Let's have a vote!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:13 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Aren't you that guy who loves Rick Perry? <scratches head>

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Dan Watie
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I don't like Rick Perry. I don't like governors that get money from Merck and then sign an executive order to force 11 year-old girls to take their vaccine. I don't like presidential candidates that have recieved the "Friend Of Zion" award like he did in 2007 while on "vacation" in Israel. Shall I continue?...okay fuck Rick Perry!

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rick_Perry

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:08 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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One day my friend you will cop some buckshot in the backside when the system that men and corporations noted in Tyler's piece, deprive you of your rights and future and turn your children into totally compliant serfs. If you are dead then no problem for you. If you leave children behind, don't expect any visits at the cemetery.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:12 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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Here is a punch from my bare fist to the mouth of that gutless, heartless bastard Dick Cheney.  Try a red pill please exceller!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaOFgekbanc

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 01:02 | Link to Comment BenLightYear
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Dick Cheney is the exact piece of shit Eisenhower warned the country about.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 19:59 | Link to Comment samsara
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Ex-Bush Official Col. Lawrence Wilkerson: "I am Willing to Testify" if Dick Cheney Is Put on Trial

***As former Vice President Dick Cheney publishes his long-awaited memoir, we speak to Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell.

"This is a book written out of fear, fear that one day someone will 'Pinochet' Dick Cheney," says Wilkerson, alluding to the former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, who was arrested for war crimes. Wilkerson also calls for George W. Bush and Cheney to be held accountable for their crimes in office. "I'd be willing to testify, and I'd be willing to take any punishment I'm due," Wilkerson said.

http://www.truth-out.org/wilkerson-cheney-bush-aware-guantamamo-detainees-were-innocent58446

http://www.truth-out.org/ex-bush-official-col-lawrence-wilkerson-i-am-willing-testify-if-dick-cheney-put-trial/1314726521

 

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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Beautifully saidl!  The deminati have expedited their tryranny.  They know that if they do not win the battle of good vs evil their heads will be on sticks!

Shockingly Cheney did not convey how he pulled off 9-11.  He may be "too" evil for hell.  If there is a "sub-hell" he will be there with Moa, Polpot, Stalin and Lenin......

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:00 | Link to Comment El Hosel
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   " to be held accountable"...    Yeah, we can all hold our breath and wait for somebody, anybody,  to be held accountable for anything. There is no fucking accountability.... Bring it on.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:02 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Outstanding contribution, Gonzalo! Nice to see you back again, and in fine form.

However, the moral relativists, and apologists for the luciferian globalists, will try to junk you to oblivion for confronting them with the truth. They know no other way.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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Dick Cheney is taking a lap around all the talk shows, peddling his memoir while giving his reputation one final spit-shine before he dies and goes straight to hell.

Your a bad bad man, Dick!

Perhaps at the center of our current understanding that the rules are not applied equally is Dick Cheney.  For those of us who followed the Bush presidential campaign and the antics of this fucker: picking himself to be VP, for one; gave us certainty who would really be in charge of the Bush Administration as it was always evident W. was not up to the task.  Never mind the Unitary Executive philosophy, as if that wasn't bad enough.  Mr. Cheney's actions on September 11, 2001 and his connection to PNAC leaves us no doubt that power corrupts absolutely.

May the spit shine on your reputation quickly tarnish, pit, and rust away, Mr. Cheney.

Enjoy the Hague and/or Hell.

Fucker!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:08 | Link to Comment Encroaching Darkness
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I have no problem with judgement; I do have a problem with a 'rush to judgement".

PURE HYPOTHETICAL BULLSHIT TO ILLUSTRATE A POINT:

"Mr. Cheney, we have reason to believe that one of our Guantanamo detainees knows where the next attack is going to occur. The best information we have is that SOMEONE, some foreign group, intends to detonate a purchased nuclear weapon on US soil, preferably New York, LA or Chicago. We know the Russians have lost a few "suitcase nukes" over the years; that at least one has been purchased by Al Qaida is certain. What we don't know is HOW and WHO; we need to waterboard (or otherwise "convince") this detainee to tell us what he knows, to prevent millions of deaths."

One week later:

"Yes, Mr. Cheney, we were successful. The detainee, after ten minutes of waterboarding, gave up the location and personnel involved in the aborted nuclear attack. It turned out that Indonesian AQ elements, operating with strategic support and financing from Iran, were three days from attacking Grand Rapids, MI; figuring the fallout would be harsher from there somehow. All involved were captured, which brings up a new challenge; we cannot admit we have them. If we say anything about this, our intelligence methods and personnel used in the counter-operation may be compromised - and we may well need them again. We can't even give medals to the heroes who stopped a nuclear attack on American soil - that would show we definitely were responsible, and give clues about how to bypass us for the next attack, and who our allies were. The best thing that can happen is that these eight conspirators vanish into emptiness for a while, until we can totally dismantle their network - which can't be done on our watch. The continued safety and security of the American people demands that we keep silent, until the threat is neutralized, whenever that occurs. No, you cannot EVER write about this operation, talk or even hint about it - we'd have to put you in jail. Just knowing we kept millions of people safe is our only reward - and the hope that the next watch will be as effective, or more so, as we were."

END BULLSHIT HYPOTHETICAL

I suggest to you that NO memoir is ever complete - and that we DO NOT KNOW much of what drove Cheney, Bush I (who ran the CIA for a while), Clinton, Reagan, Carter and every president since at least FDR to do what they did. We are only now hearing about some of the British tricks-and-traps they played on the Nazis, sixty years later. Can you honestly say to yourself you KNOW what any of these people did, what drove them to it and why they did it? Given that there are real, criminal penalties for violating security clearances and releasing classified information, how can you believe that you know?

I DO NOT ENDORSE "NATIONAL SECURITY" AS A COVER FOR EVERYTHING. It is too often used as a "cover-your-ass" way of avoiding accountability. BUT WHEN FIGHTING NAZIS (or modern equivalents), SECRECY MAY BE NECESSARY.

GL wrote a nice article. Does GL have a top-secret level security clearance? How can he know what Cheney COULDN'T put in his memoir? Was anything left out for security reasons? How would GL know?

Judgement is necessary for daily living; I judge this snake harmless, and leave it alone, that one venomous, and kill it with a shovel to protect my family. No judgement is as dangerous as faulty judgement.

But a rush to judgement may be as bad. To paraphrase Raymond Donovan, a cleared Secretary of Labor; "Which office do I go to to get my good name back?" We can imagine we know what Cheney did, what personal motivations and private convictions drove his actions; but I suggest, we do not, cannot know everything, and may not for years -  at least, until various files age out of classification and are published. And we will not know what Obama did for "national security" reasons for longer yet. You may dislike Cheney, Bush, Obama and anyone else you want to - but you may not want to JUDGE them quite yet, until you are certain you know enough.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:51 | Link to Comment JohnG
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You will never know for sure, I can promise you that.  I'm no apologist for Cheney, he was definitely a "bad man," yet you will never know.  No one will, or can.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:11 | Link to Comment Comrade de Chaos
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Well, VOA (Voice of America) Reported last week that the 'grey cardinal' (MrGoodShot - Che... not chegivara - Cheney) insisted in 2007 on bombing suspected sights of Syrian nuclear program. His poppy refused, probably the boldest step through out JW presidency. 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:09 | Link to Comment Dburn
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"Our economy is falling apart because our common spirit is exhausted, beaten down, and miserable—we have lost our vigor as a people. And the reason we have lost our vigor is because we have seen too many injustices, too much corruption—too much evil—that goes unremarked upon, tacitly accepted, and therefore unpunished."

+15 Trillion

This easily ranks among the top articles here.  As a small business man I now look at the Risk /Reward weighting  of running a micro to small business to walking through a mine field.  The basic concept of fairness in the application of the rule of law has been trashed. We know the IRS will come down on us like a ton of bricks for the slightest infraction. Yet the GAO found that Govt Contractors owed the IRS 55 Billion in unpaid payroll taxes that the owners had diverted for their own use. That is a felony. I had a client who was sent to a federal max security prison for five years with 3 years of home detention after for the same thing. Which leads me to one of many "opposite and equal reactions" of the misplaced and disproportional application of the rule of law.

If Social Security is a trust fund, and it's a felony to divert funds from the trust fund , as when an employer is a temporary fiduciary for the trust fund, why isn't the past 30 years of congress and all the executive branch not in jail for diverting funds from the trust into the general fund to be used for earmarks and other self-enriching programs that score political points to the tune of 2.6 trillion dollars. The fuckers stole the money and are now trying to paint the program as a Ponzi scheme that is some sort of social welfare entitlement that they have a right to cut simply because it's now in deficit. Why?  Because no judgement was ever rendered on the banks and Obama, on Cheney and Bush for cutting taxes and starting wars all which led to putting millions out of work permanently who all applied for SS benefits years before projections.

The article is a perfect preamble to all the bullshit we see today. I know there are conservatives and libertarians who believe Social Security is bullshit. What I want to know is, will you support your parents since all their traditional investments have been devastated. Will you tolerate 100G cancer treatments - Cash up front - for four extra months of life so the life insurance company will not turn down the death claim because no effort was expended into attempting to save the person's life no matter what age they are but most likely older. If you don't have 20 Million in liquid assets, you are in deep shit in this country. All because of a cover-up to a little burglary that led to a President resigning who was in turn pardoned and to the day he died thought anything the president did was not against the law because the president  is the law.

Who was at his side? Why Cheney and Rumsfeld of course with Bush 1 overseeing the CIA. A lot of shit has rolled downhill since then and no one is covered with glory. Now it's time for the unwashed masses to suffer decades of backpedaling on wages, living conditions to the very food we eat so we truly understand what poverty means because the people who roll shit downhill expect to be paid and they are.

There are no more heroes left or profiles in courage to write about. Even the people who do stick their neck out to yell out "Look here, see this evidence? WTF is wrong with you people?"...

They are quickly and efficiently  stomped to death by a compliant media and a govt that is overbearing with zero tolerance for the "little people", that we the people forget about them as we are diverted so easily now that we are too scared to rattle the chains.

Terrific article.

 

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:17 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Well said. This country has been hustled by a gaggle of con artists. For quite a while now

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment vegas
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Our economy is falling apart because a dickhead named B. Hussein Obama is doing everything in his power to implement socialist, marxist, European policies.

$15 trillion? Take a good hard look at when the last 25% of that debt was issued.

Liberals just can't get there arms around the idea that not everything can be equal. If I make $1 more than you, somehow I'm a crook and need to be taxed heavily. It's for the children don't you know.

Obama is a moron. You want proof? The guy needs 2 teleprompters to make a 3 minute political nomination. Not to mention our 57 states.

Go make more tinfoil.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:55 | Link to Comment JohnG
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Those two "clear things" to the side are not teleprompters.  They are bulletproof lexan.  Just so you know.....

I didn't vote for the 0.  Nor for the M&P.  I wrote in for myself.  Just so you know......

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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Keep focused on those shadows while the looting carrys on

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:56 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Dburn,

Appreciate your fervor and general direction of your sentiment.  However, I don't believe the downhill spiral started with Cheney, nor did it start with Nixon.  It's not a new downhill spiral, but an ancient one that the glorious idea of America, as intended by the Founding Fathers, was able to forestall for a long time.  But, alas, human nature overtakes even the best of structures.

What I don't like about the article is that it bends into an interesting sentiment through a hate-Cheney frontice.  I'm sure there's a bunch of folks who could get to the same sentiment through a hate-(fill in name) frontice.  So that part is to me irrelevant and simply sparks a bunch of banter.

You're comments are, for me, on the periphery of the real question.  That being in what do you put your faith?  That's the inescapable question from your anecdote of the 100G for four extra months of life.

My two cents (pre 1982, of course).

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Those commenters above who couldn't see through the Cheney example to Gonzalo's real moral message, don't deserve to be heard (or catered to).

As you say, it didn't start with Cheney (or the neocons in general), or LBJ (the father of Welfare State 2.0 ... and incubator of the neocons), or FDR (the father of Welfare State 1.0 and the Cold War), or Woodrow Wilson (the Judas who handed America to the bankers), or Andrew Johnson (the muthafucka who presided over the enforced adoption of the 14th Amendment), or George Washington (the first president to trample the Constitution), or Adam Weishaupt (the Luciferian Jesuit who started the Illuminati and 'enlightened' Washington), or Sabbatai Zevi (the Luciferian 'jew' who inspired Weishaupt 110 years later, and fathered modern Zionism 230 years before Zionism became a word), or...........

But it DID start with an ancient ruling class (of hereditary aristocrats and parasitic priests/money-changers) whose bloodlines and objectives have not changed in over 4,000 years. The fact that it has taken them so long means that they can still be defeated (or at least delayed for another hundred years or so ... SECEDE NOW!! [ed: I had to slip that in])

"in what do you put your faith?"

As Gonzalo says, put your faith in your own ability to know "what is right, and what is wrong" ... and ALWAYS act accordingly. Those who can't control themselves can be ostracised until they get with the program.

You don't need a Bible, or Koran, or Veda, or Little Red Book, to know what is right. In fact, 50% of each of those books will teach you what is wrong (massacre unbelievers; beat your slaves; stone your daughters; smite your neighbours; pay your taxes; be very afraid; etc)!!

Two-year-olds instinctively know, and are therefore easily taught, what is right: Don't lie ... Don't cheat ... Don't steal ... Don't hit! Everything else basically follows from these natural laws that even chimpanzees understand ... and they don't need priests or rule books!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:12 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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But from where does the natural law originate?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:37 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Are you still looking for some stone tablets (or gold plates, or stellar alignments.......) to find out what monkeys already know? Read between the lines.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:23 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Above the door on the Department of Justice it says "WHERE LAW ENDS TYRANNY BEGINS"  

The rule of Law is gone.  THAT is Obama's largest failure.  NOBODY was held accountable for ANY crimes - be they violations of US and International Law (crimes prosecuted at Nuremburg) or financial crimes that looted the Treasury and bankrupted the Middle Class.

 

You don't still think we're a Republic, do you?  We've followed Rome's path but in pursuit of Empire have collapsed at a far faster rate.

All our Founding Fathers feared has come to pass - a shredding of fundamental rights and a concentration of power in the Executive Branch.  We have representatives who represent only the wealthy,a press that keeps the populace UNinformed and a populace that is startlingly ignorant and uninformed - easily manipulated or bought. 

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