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Guest Post: Mr. Cheney’s Victory Lap
Submitted by Gonzalo Lira
Mr. Cheney’s Victory Lap
Dick Cheney is taking a lap around all the talk shows, peddling his memoir while giving his reputation one final spit-shine before he dies and goes straight to hell.
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Oh—so you actually doubt he’ll go to hell? With the shit he’s pulled? Cabrón, please . . .
It is remarkable that relatively few people seem outraged by Mr. Cheney. Here is the man who, as Vice-President of the United States, violated some of the most important rights, freedoms and liberties that America has defended for over two-hundred years. Not only did he commit what in other times would have been considered war crimes and crimes against humanity—he is proud of having done so!
He boasts about the torture he ordered, he defends the wars of aggression that he fomented, and he is silent about the sweetheart deals he gave his former employer, Halliburton, in the “reconstruction” of countries that he helped destroy.
In short, he violated every rule in the book—yet no one is throwing the book at him. There are no Congressional hearings into his violation of the Constitution. There are no prosecutors sharpening their chops, getting ready to indict him on charges of corruption.
Most of all, there is no public outrage at him.
Sure, some loony Lefties and some old-style hard-ass Conservatives such as myself bitch and moan about him—but no one is seriously arguing for his arrest, indictment and prosecution for the despicable things he did while in office. Or if they are advocating his arrest and prosecution—like me, and perhaps you—then they are on the extreme fringes of the political discourse—like me, and perhaps you: Marginal, and inconsequential.
Cheney was—and still is—at the center of the political discourse, and he operated with a completely free hand, unconstrained by any limitations—Constitutional, legal, moral—free to carry out the most egregious violations of everything that the United States stands for—
—meanwhile, a college kid with a dime bage of pot goes to jail for five years.
This doesn’t surprise us: We know it as a truism that the rules fall like a ton of bricks on some Americans, while for others, those same rules are as light as ether—and just as non-existent.
Consider banking: Local Savings-and-Loans are constrained and regulated up the wazoo—but the large banks are pretty much allowed to write their own regulations. Small banks and S&L’s have to toe the line, as regards capital reserves—but the Too Big To Fail banks can literally make believe any asset is worth whatever they say it’s worth, and therefore covers these capital requirements with nothing but daydreams. (See my discussion of the suspension of FASB rule 157 here.)
Consider the stock markets: Computer-run algorithmic trading has taken over the markets, super-computers trading with one another in a pattern that is, essentially, a pump-and-dump scheme. A half-dozen Guidos out in New Jersey, pulling a pump-and-dump on penny stock, will rightfully get arrested by the SEC. But a blue-chip firm pulling the same shit—only with stock in Apple, Microsoft, BofA or JPMorgan? They’re invited to the $50,000-a-table fund-raising event that the regulator is throwing, as he positions himself for a run for the U.S. Senate.
Consider industries: Small- and medium-sized businesses have to follow every single FDA rule, every single OSHA clause, every single burp in the regulatory legislation, to the point where a lot of these small- and medium-sized businesses are drowning in regulatory sludge—
—but big outfits like Monsanto, DuPont, BP? They can sell known carcinogens to the general public, to children—they can carry out a monopoly against farmers with unhealthy, untested fertilizers and genetically modified seeds—they can cause the biggest industrial disaster ever, and then lie about it for months—
—and at most? A small fine. Any jail time for those responsible? Any public investigation, let alone opprobrium?
Once again: Cabrón, please . . .
In today’s America—where egalitarianism was once considered to be the cornerstone of our society—the application of the rules and regulations decreases as you go up the pyramid.
See, it’s not that the rules have vanished as you rise up the pyramid—the rules and regulations are still there: It’s just that they’re not applied to those closer to the top of the pyramid, as Mr. Cheney knows so well.
Why is this? Why have we lost our egalitarianism? Why have we lost our equality before the law?
I think it’s because we have lost our moral self-confidence: The confidence which gives us the ability to say out loud and with a firm voice, “This here is right, while that there is wrong.”
Starting with the 1970’s, our society has marinated in the notion that no one has a right to judge how you live: You can do your own thing, to borrow the phrase from the time. Not only does society not have the right to judge the way you live as to its rightness or wrongness—society does not have the right to judge you.
But of course: Judgment is the necessary ingredient for making moral decisions. You need judgment in order to decide what is wrong and what is right. Without moral judgment, all decisions are reduced to either a hedonistic calculus (how much pleasure will I get from this action, as opposed to how much pain, nevermind if it’s right or wrong), a cost-benefit analysis (how much would it cost me to do this as opposed to that, nevermind if it’s right or wrong), or to a political decision (whose support would I win or lose if I did this or that, nevermind if it’s right or wrong).
Without moral judgment, our decisions ultimately turn us from citizens with a common purpose, into nihilistic actors looking out for ourselves and no one else.
More troublingly, without moral judgment, our lives become untethered from fixed principles, and therefore constantly reactive to the people around us. We become dependent on what others think of us—slaves to public opinion.
(As a parenthesis: We shouldn’t be surprised, if our culture has turned so many of us into raging narcissists. Without a fixed moral benchmark from which to render judgment, we are as untethered as free-floating balloons—and therefore must gauge our place in society not by what we believe, but rather by what other people believe about us. Thus we have to constantly, obsessively examine and re-examine the registry of what others say about us. No surprise, then, the popularity of the social networks, such as Facebook, etc.: They give us feedback as to what other people think about us, and thereby help us gauge and measure our place in our ever-shifting society. Think of it as a school of minnows, everyone swimming in the same, ever-shifting direction, everyone constantly terrified of swimming against the school.)
Since we don’t allow ourselves to tell right from wrong—since we don’t allow ourselves to make moral judgments—we cannot make fine-tuned moral distinctions: We lose proportionality, and moral perspective. We cannot discern that a minor shoving match at a bar is not an “assault”, while shelling people with radioactive munitions is in fact a war crime. We cannot tell the difference—or see the similarities—between robbing a hundred bucks with a gun, and robbing a $1,000,000,000 with a lawyer.
Mindlessly Following the Rules
Directly from this loss of moral proportion—and directly from the sense of being untethered—our society begins to latch on to rules: Mindlessly latching on to rules.
Think of something as absurd as the “three strikes rule” in the judiciary: In some states, if a person commits three felonies, then they are automatically thrown in jail for 20 years or more, irrespective of how trivial the offenses were. And as we have all heard, from too many horror stories for it to be a fluke, we know how deeply unfair this three-strikes rule really is.
Yet so many of us don’t say a thing, shielding ourselves from moral responsibility by that most heinous and despicable of phrases: “I don’t make the rules, I just follow them.”
Think, conversely, of what happened with the banksters: They broke the financial system, immorally profiting from that mess—demanded (and got) an unprecedented government bailout by essentially blackmailing the American economy—then paid themselves record-breaking bonuses with money given to them by the American people.
But these banksters—swine that they are, without exception—did not overtly flout any rule. So nobody said a thing, except some confused souls on the margins and in the blogosphere. The mainstream media? The people with positions of authority? They didn’t say a thing—because the banksters didn’t overtly break any rule or law.
Our society latches on to rules—often arbitrary rules—and turns a blind eye both to the abuses that arise from compliance to these rules, and abuses that arise from the lack of any existing rules.
The reason? We no longer have the moral self-confidence to say, “Screw the rules—a dime bag of pot is not enough of a reason to imprison you for five year”, or conversely, “Screw that it’s not technically against the rules—benefitting from the bankruptcy of your financial institution is wrong”.
Since we don’t have this moral self-confidence, we hold on to rules, no matter how arbitrary, or how morally unsound, and watch as perverse results bloom like weeds in what’s supposed to be a perfectly manicured lawn.
Structural Pliancy
I can tell your objection already: If we are doing this—if we are obsessively latching on to rules—why is it that the people closer to the top of the pyramid can so cavalierly break the rules, as Mr. Cheney has boasted of doing? Why does throwing fifty pounds of trash into a deserted lot merit being thrown in jail for a year, while spewing oil into the Gulf of Mexico for six months or so merits a (proportionately) minor fine?
In short, why don’t the rules apply for everyone, equally?
Simple: Because without absolute moral judgment—that is, with a standard of morality that is relative, and not fixed—then everything becomes a political game, a numbers game. The more people on your side, the more likely you’ll get away with bending or breaking the rules. The application of the rule of law becomes a popularity contest: If you have the numbers on your side, then you can get away with anything.
This is mob rule.
Consider Mr. Cheney, and Barack Obama’s reaction to Mr. Cheney’s crimes: Since he is a former Vice-President, and seemingly popular with his electorate, Mr. Obama sees no upside to prosecuting Mr. Cheney—but plenty of downside.
Consistency would demand of Mr. Obama that, if he prosecutes Mr. Cheney, he ought to prosecute George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, George Tenet, several if not most of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Why? Because all of them are guilty of the same crimes against the American Constitution as Mr. Cheney: Crimes against the Constitution, and crimes against humanity—and I do not use that phrase lightly.
But in this atmosphere of relative morality that is our curse to live in, Mr. Obama has made the political calculation that there is no upside to prosecuting Mr. Cheney or that whole cabal.
Some Lefty pinko faggots might be outraged—as outraged as I am outraged—that Obama doesn’t do “the right thing”. But see, from the position of relative morality, Obama is doing the right thing: He has made the political calculation that it’s not worth prosecuting the Bush-Cheney cabal. The political cost is too high, the political benefit too low—and besides, everyone accepts that Cheney did what he has done, which would leave Obama out of synch with the school of minnows of Washington.
So Obama says, “Forget the past—move forward”, when it comes to Cheney’s crimes.
But when it comes to a whistleblower who embarrasses the military, or the security aparatus? Whistleblowers cause more political harm than political benefit—which is why Obama has been even more relentless in prosecuting than than even George W. Bush was.
See how crazy this is? This is what relative morality has bequeathed us: An evil old man interviewed on all the morning talk shows, cheerfully admitting to the rape of American principles, and to the gang-bang of those principles most central to our common humanity, confident that he will never suffer punishment for his evil deeds. And on the flip side, a whistleblower who saw waste—corruption—treason—and tried to stop it by calling attention to it: He is prosecuted like a criminal—worse than a criminal, if you go by what has happened to Bradley Manning—while those who betrayed the public trust are coddled and shielded from scrutiny—they are allowed to continue their wrongdoing, while the whistleblower who tried to stop it by shining a light on it is sent to jail.
Sapping Our Will
It’s bad enough that this turd of Satan should parade about, boasting of his evil deeds—what’s worse is, the very spectacle of Mr. Cheney prancing about saps America of our will to goodness and decency.
Just as there is a collective mood—the mood of a crowd at the stadium of a winning team, the mood of a crowd fleeing from an earthquake—there is a collective will: The will to goodness—or evil—of a people.
That will to goodness is inexorably sapped when the people see such an evil man walk away with impunity from his awful deeds—in fact, boasting of those evil deeds.
As our collective will to goodness is sapped, we become cynical, tired, depressed—ultimately despirited.
I am unsurprised that our economy is in the doldrums, teetering on the edge of yet another cliff-dive. Simpletons with Ph.D.’s might spew nonsense about “falling aggregate demand”, or there being “a need to provide markets with added liquidity”, or some other triviality, to explain away our reeling economy—but the answer is so much simpler:
Our economy is falling apart because our common spirit is exhausted, beaten down, and miserable—we have lost our vigor as a people. And the reason we have lost our vigor is because we have seen too many injustices, too much corruption—too much evil—that goes unremarked upon, tacitly accepted, and therefore unpunished.
We see Mr. Cheney take his victory lap on the morning shows as we drink our coffee, and realize as we drive to work that—in the current American society we live in—goodness will be censured, whereas evil will go unpunished. Unpunished, and indeed, rewarded.
No wonder we’re so depressed.
The Way Back
We need to get back to making judgments: We need to start saying, “This is right, and that is wrong”.
We already know what is right and what is wrong—we don’t need to hire some expert to tell us this. We know that Dick Cheney committed crimes against the very essence of America, wiping his ass with the Constitution. We know that the banks carried out wrongdoing, with their robo-signing scams and their criminal foreclosures on people who didn’t even owe them any money. We know that we are fed foodstuffs that poison our bodies and the bodies of our children yet to be born.
We know these things: They are not secret, they are not facts that have yet to come to light, or to be proven. They are the truth.
What’s more, these things are wrong.
So we have to stand up—as individuals and as a people—and say out loud: “This is wrong. This is unacceptable. And this must be punished.”
We must judge.
A lot of people—children of the ’70’s, I suppose—claim that judgment is a bad thing: “Don’t judge! You have no right to judge!” is their mantra. They insist that we as a society have no right to judge how they live, or more importantly what they do.
A lot of other people have taken up the same slogan, and adopted it as their own: People like Dick Cheney—like Monsanto and DuPont and BP, who poison us with impunity—like the oil and gas companies carrying out “fracking”, which is causing earthquakes and flammable water on the East Coast—like the TBTF banks and the prop desks front-running their clients, or illegally foreclosing on homeowners—in short, people near the top of our social pyramid.
They have adopted the non-judgmental slogans: “Don’t judge! You have no right to judge! It’s not illegal! We’re not breaking the law! So don’t judge! Don’t judge!” they yell and scream as loud as they can.
They seem so convincing, these slogans: It’s tempting to do what they ask—to not judge. Because judgment is hard. It’s far easier to passively accept a situation—to not pass judgment—to simply let it be—than to stand up, make a judgment, and then say it out loud.
These evil people clamor all the livelong day: “Don’t judge! You have no right to judge! You have no idea what the circumstances were! Don’t judge! Don’t judge! Don’t judge!”
When you feel you are about to cave in—when you feel that you are about to cede to these clever people, and accept their calls not to judge them—I want you to remember a single, very simple truth:
Only the guilty fear judgment.
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Dickster, Dickster pumpkin hipster
Had a Prez who was no trickster
He put him in a pumpkin shell
And there he kept him very well
Living through a currency devaluation and how to cope
I was managing an American subsidiary of a successful large US Company in Mexico. It had been a financial turnaround for our team. Cash flow had accumulated in our bank in Mexico and corporate didn’t want the money repatriated to the US. Although we had already paid a 35% income tax to the Mexican government, we would have to pay an additional 30% exit tax to repatriate the money. In addition, we would have to pay high fees for the peso/dollar exchange, in order to make the transfer. The company wanted to expand our successful business and so we decided to keep the money in Mexican pesos to be used for further expansion.
One morning, as my wife and I were on a trip driving on the highway, we heard a national message from the President of Mexico in 1976, Luis Echevarria, one of the most corrupt presidents in Mexican history. “It is a lie that we are going to devalue the peso,” he said.
Read more on how to cope with the debasement of the dollar.
http://lonerangersilver.wordpress.com/2011/08/13/living-through-a-curren...
I've seen you post this too many times.
Reading through many of the comments in this thread reminds me of why I absolutely abhor the right wing in America. Bunch of loathsome, lower brain stem reptiles that can't see the truth when presented straight in front of their face.
Another well written article by Mr Lira.
All puffed up with vanity
We see what we want to see
To the beautiful and the wise
The mirror always lies...
(N. Peart)
"Right wing" is a label. Please describe specifically what ideals of the so-called "right-wing" you absolutely abhor. I'm betting you cannot.
Thanks for that!
And your question too.
+War Paint
Quoting "War Paint", I see. Good choice.
GL
Things tend to happen in increments.
One doesn't get fat by eating one big mac. One gets fat by eating one every day, until one day you wake up obese having eaten 500 big macs.
The accountability of the government to the people doesn't go away in one year. It happens slowly, overtime. Until one day nobody remembers, what accountability looks like.
This election cycle is going to cost $6 Billion. A giant $6 billion auction.
Is it any wonder that one of the only places in the USA with job growth and housing appreciation is Washington DC.
Dick Cheney is a repulsive human being. He believes he is above the rules. He wasn't accountable to anyone least of all the electorate. He is using his book to settle scores, acting like a petty vindictive little man.
He thinks Iraq was "sound policy" and didn't hurt the USA's reputation around the world. When the USA's debt/gdp hits 100% in the coming weeks, it will be in part due to the $3 trillion off balance sheet wars (sound policy) started by Bush/Cheney.
Accountability what does it mean now?
Cheney is an Israel-first twat.
Dick Cheney is the prince of fucking darkness.
It doesn't matter if you are right only that you are on the winning side to insure you are not tried for war crimes.
Wars are only about money and profits.
War is a racket. Mr. Cheney and his friends soaked up many generations of wealth off the wars they initiated. These people have no issues thriving on the misery of others and during their time recently, were able to create enough chaos to get away with it.
Cremation of Care: Easy for the nefariously greedy, admired by their sycophants, inflicted on everyone else.
Wars are only about money and profits.
How does that explain the wars that occurred before there was money or profits?
Uhhhhhh. Gold is money. 6000 years of "tradition".
Who fought for gold 3,000 or so years ago?
Moreover, I read the comment to mean that wars are for creating profits for corporations. That is a fairly recent phenomenon.
Every war is over turf or resources, or both.
I am hoping for a hell the likes of Dante's vision where every single human being Dick Cheney killed is able to withhold water from him causing a permanent thirst for eternity.
Any good soldier/pilot out there could steal an F-22/F-35 and take out Cheney?
And do you have silver rounds to ensure it takes?
Do you know if it's a crime to threaten an ex VP? You should if you're going to put certain words in public space.
Well it's crime to sell raw milk in this country, or tp grow a vegetable garden or make wooded guitars or to keep chickens. I guess threatening the life of a vermin like Cheney is probably a crime as well, but why waste the bullet!?
Big brother ain't watchin' yer wooden guitar shops, ya know.
Most of all, there is no public outrage at him.-------
this is why hitler took power, this is how evil men perpetrate evil deeds, with the compliance of the sheeple.
there is never a shortage of evil men, there is only a shortage of public fear to open the doors for them to do as they please.
think on this.
Progressive Commentary Hour - 08/29/11
August 29, 2011
Guest: Susan Lindauer
http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/progressive-commentary-hour/
Great post for separating the wheat from the chaff. I'll keep this one starred as a handy reference as to who the nut-jobs are going forward.
You mean you're going to start reporting all suspicious posters to Homieland Security?
Sorry, they're too busy with porn.
Ummm...not what I meant. I'm referring to the polarizing nature of this article being useful for separating out the central-control zealots (chaff) from the liberty-first (wheat) crowd.
I've got a side bet going that the downs are going to win out over the ups by a 5:2 ratio.
Gonzo:
"He boasts about the torture he ordered, ..."
What torture would that be? U b talking about training excercizes that Marines go through in Boot Camp and OCS? SERE that the aviatorz go through? Or are you talking about what the bug eaterz go through.
Specify, svp.
Or shut up.
- Ned
I was talking to a Greek dude who actually believed that it was more ethical to shoot someone in the brain, than to "torture" them with sleep deprivation.
That's when I came to believe Europeans are just plain bughouse nuts.
Well, I've been through a) extreme positions, maintained or exercised until the DI/Bladk Hat got tired, b) sleep deprivation (on many occasions), and, most importantly c) endless renditions of Barney singin' "I love u, u luv me, ..." ad noseum.
Of course that was in a "loving environment."
Don't cha' know.
- Ned
u negatoriez junkstaz' b no playaz
Purple dinosore fans, no doubt ned...
<-- The Constitution
<-- The Wailing Wall
What is Rick Perry's true love?
Relevance on this thread?
junior, apprentice, probationary newbie troll, non-approved by Cas nor his skoski organization.
Don't cha know.
- Ned
Fair enough - thanks, Ned.
we can play - my power permittng
You're a good pig, my friend. Let's get back to work...
He told me it was your mom's pretty mouth.
Easy fella, it just ain't worth the energy. Took a while, learned it on another thread.
Gonzo: readin' more
Specifications please. Inquiring minds wish to know. Actually, I didn't know that the Vice President had any authority at all. Policy persuasion, I'll grant u. Of course, that persuasion would have to go through all kinds of apparatus. Including DOJ, DOD (where he knew all of the important items), CIA, DIA, etc.
I've never suspected you of such jejune views. Dang.
- Ned
{Do you think that "Waterboarding" is TORTURE?}
{{Why do the Special Operators go through "Waterboarding"? Are we willfully torturing our own folk?}}
{{{Does Torture Work???}}}
let's discuss.
No. The "torturee" is trained to resist *just* long enough, then obfuscate, disinform, or outright make something up (the more complicated the better) that the "torturor" wants to hear. Even though he knows that this will result in yet more torture once discovered. The cycle repeats until escape or death, whichever comes first. Personal experience.
Yes, Sir, there is a time dimension regarding these certain activities.
- Ned
{and, well, dang that you had personal experience}
{{Perhaps you could pass on that experience here???}}
{{{And I've heard from McCain and Doss and others that "Torture Does Work"}}}
Time is relative. It compresses.
You do not want to know.
Disinformation and delay, that's what works. The happy place works too.
But WTF does this mean to my GOLD!\
1835.5 + 5.8 right now!!
Did you escape or are you dead?
Waterboarding is to "torture" as late-term abortions are to "choice."
They just want it to be so.
I'm still trying to figger out why many, who abhor waterboarding or sleep depravation or a dark box with little creepy crawlys think it a crime against humanity even as they themselves frequent S&M "boutiques" and screech from the rooftops of the right for cat-o-nine tails in every closet.
Its an riddle, wrapped in mystery, gagging on an enigma!!!...or sumpin...lol.
:)
ned,
the waterboarding you're referring to is preformed at a facility called SERE. it is a modified (read: very mild version) form of the, yes, TORTURE, wherein they're basically trained in its administration.
they also get to eat their pet goat.
"are we willfully torturing our own folk" in so many words, yes.
janus
Cheney is an evil looking old cunt! He is an evil old cunt!
Tyler, did you go long tinfoil futures right before you posted this?
Locked limit up.
Señor,
Deconstructionism put the last nail in the coffin of moral absolutism for the masses. It was a slow path from Nietsche to here. But the moral imperatives that protect the family and the social contract remain the same. Only three percent of the population, the thinkers and doers, have learned the lessons of history. We know our history and understand the great philosophies that alllowed the growth of Western thought and human freedom. We are outraged, and we do judge.
The pyramid has also always existed. Principles have corrupted the people of the first world and managed to snatch their wealth. They are busy infiltrating and building their same pyramid scheme all over the East and Latin America. They hide behind bureaucratic ineptitude pretenting that all is well or that they couldn´t see what was happening. All the while they are the deliberate actors engaged in our destruction.
They are guilty, guilty as hell. Cheney is guilty as hell. But the time is not yet. The mob hasn´t been unleashed. I wouldn´t be surprised when the SHTF scenario begins that the random fraggin starts of present and former politicians, bankers, bureacrats,police officers, soldiers, and what not. Asymmetrical warfare in its finest form will be unleashed. When all hell breaks loose, it will mean the destruction of the "honest man who choose to work for a living." That is the social programming that I read from the media. The results are still unknown.
I pray that it doesn´t happen. I´d rather turn inward raise the chickens and a whole garden of vegetables. It would be better to know our neighbords and contribute to the local community. We don´t need them. We don´t need the cheap shit they import at Walmart at the cost of human suffering all over Asia. It´s our responsibility individually to create a system entirely apart that works for humanity. I´m trying to build that future.
That's the best comment on this thread yet.
Damn well said kayl, damn well.
once certain truths are known, the mind is indeed free to work in more satisfying areas, and those you mention are definitely worth the efforts. . . miss your voice, good to see you here, sending you gratitude for your posts, both forum & threads, of last year, which allowed for the missing corner pieces of the puzzle to frame what needed doing. . .
wishing you well sir!
Ex-Bush Official Col. Lawrence Wilkerson: "I am Willing to Testify" If Dick Cheney is Put on Trial
As former Vice President Dick Cheney publishes his long-awaited memoir, we speak to Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell.
"This is a book written out of fear, fear that one day someone will 'Pinochet' Dick Cheney," says Wilkerson, alluding to the former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, who was arrested for war crimes. Wilkerson also calls for George W. Bush and Cheney to be held accountable for their crimes in office.
"I’d be willing to testify, and I’d be willing to take any punishment I’m due," Wilkerson said. We also speak to Salon.com political and legal blogger Glenn Greenwald about his recent article on Cheney, "The Fruits of Elite Immunity." "Dick Cheney goes around the country profiting off of this sleazy, sensationalistic, self-serving book, basically profiting from his crimes, and at the same time normalizing the idea that these kind of policies…are perfectly legitimate choices to make. And I think that’s the really damaging legacy from all of this," says Greenwald.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28993.htm
Writing this book must have reminded Dick of the good old days, of looking over the shoulders of the CIA analysts, correcting their 'errors'...
Two bonus reads from Lala Land:
Take blogger's bank warning with several grains of salt ... http://tinyurl.com/3ww3zed
David Rosenberg @ Globe & Mail: A plain-vanilla correction? More like a rocky road ... http://tinyurl.com/3vd5vvy
BTW - Looks like Cheney is sick, judging from his shocking weight loss.
If he is sick then I certainly wish him a long, long, long life.
his heart has been attacking him for years - go figure.
Dick Cheney - the biggest #2 the world has ever seen.
I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal these words appear:
“My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Caveat - the howling protests now are all in vain - whilst evil done, you did nought - and so when evil shows its final hours, and thou feel indignant in your revile of it, know only this - evil cares not, unless it is stopped from act.
Feel free to rail against the horror now, but it is too late. This man pissed all over your country, and is enjoying a nice book deal and sycophantic media events. Cry me a fucking river: America is dust, and soon to fall. This is your fault.
Accept responsibility.
Cheneymandias Prince Regent of Kings.
With his heart on its second pacemaker and all the drugs he must be taking, he is no better than Hitler in the Reich Chancellery bunker listening to the Allies destroy Berlin, who, like Cheney, was pretending it wasn't his fault.
Let him live a thousand years to witness what he and his cronies are responsible for.
"And the might of the Gentile, unsmote by the sword,
Hath melted like snow in the glance of the Lord."
Must be time for one of those YouTube 'Downfall' Hitler-in-the-Bunker clips with Cheney as Hitler?
My analogy of Cheney to Hitler was only to the destruction his governance caused his country. Just as it is a well known that he spent his last days in a bunker under the garden of the Reich Chancellery and heard the Allied ordnance turning the Capital of Friedrich der Grosse into rubble, so sits Cheney der Dick in his La-Z-boy watching the downfall of America on the Fox News.
Germany was back in business 40 - 50 years later. I'm not sure France ever recovered from Napoleon's escapades. But Cheney's regency during the presidency of George W. Bush may well bring down the whole planet. We will have to stay tuned on that.
"A regent, from the Latin regens, "[one] reigning", or regency council is a person or group of persons selected to act as head of state because the ruler is a minor, not present, or debilitated.[1] The period of rule of a
regent or regents is referred to as a regency."
George w. Bush qualified as a ruler who: was a (mental) minor, he wasn't
present ( spent his time in LaLaLand) and was debilitated (i.e. would fall off sofas from pretzel ingestion).
Cheney became the Black Prince Regent. I think every knows how that played out.
Fracking does not cause flammable water and it certainly doesnt cause earthquakes. You impune your credibility with such silliness. The dopes on tv that claimed their water was flammable staged it. There is zero evidence for earthquakes, so I'll just assume your another person who treats his FEELINGS as facts.
OK, that's about enough about this piece of garbage.
But what about GOLD!!!!!
All you pacifist assholes are lucky that some of us fought so you fuckers could blow it out your asses.
Thank you for saving us from Saddam's WMD.
That was a CLOSE one!
By the rivers of Babylon...you fought for the values of a nation that was created to express the inalienble right of people in this new ex-colony to pursue 'happiness', which is the antithesis of war, as we all know, whether we read the Scriptures or we read the accounts of the Trojan War, the mother of all wars in western civilization; that fostered our western values and way of life. So if you took to arms in your personal trajectory on earth, as did the founding fathers of the US of A before you, it was to defend a peace loving nation and a peace loving people whose principal aim was the 'pursuit of... '
Your current diatribe would suggest the opposite of the proclaimed values of your own nation state, as GL is trying to remind us all in his 'magnificent', the qualification is subjective, I do admit to that, analysis. Whether we be of left or right value systems, in other words, whether we prioritise individual self fulfillment to collective happiness, to put it simply, both of which are respectable values within limits, as History shows us, we stay true to the vision of the founding fathers. Am I right?
So why this Rubicon divide between lovers of war and lovers of peace that denatures the philosophy of western life since time immemorial, and is a sterile expresion of its worst impulses; as expressed during the Crusades and the Inquisition : kill em all, let God choose his own!!...?
That is expression of regressionary mind set of another age...
"We're fighting for freedom over there so we won't have to fight for freedom over here" Dubya.
"We're not going to let those people...the terrorists...change our way of life" Dubya.
I remember those two lines every time I see some fat ass TSA woman take a young girl behind the curtain at the airport.
As for you, Iwo Jima or Normandy? Not a whole lot of hot war threats since then. Before you call me ungrateful, I've had my butt in harm's way.
Cheney is an asshole. Equating him to Hitler or Stalin is hyperbole, but calling him an asshole is a simple statement of fact. I've already posted earlier that Cheney was CEO of the US company that had the highest billings to Saddam Hussein's regime from 1995-2000. Saddam's crimes did not suddenly come to light at noon on January 20, 2001. I believe the common term for what Cheney did is "hypocrisy".
The run-up to the Iraq War of Choice, including the brow-beating Cheney did of CIA analysts, the absolute bullshit hyperbole of "proof coming in the form of a mushroom cloud", and the deliberate attempt to link (falsely) Saddam with al Qaeda condemns Cheney. The subsequent horrific waste of the US' treasure, human and financial, plus turning Iraq into something that would make post-Katrina New Orleans look like Disneyland condemns him as a human and demonstrates abject incompetence as a leader. If you want to debate the merits or lack thereof of Saddam, fine, but let's also include Mugabe, Assad, Kim Jong-il, a host of two bit juntas, and even 1989 PRC. Toss in former "allies" like Mubarak, too.
Cheney is trying to control the narrative before he goes into the great beyond. An oft told lie, however, is still a lie.
It bears repeating: Cheney is an asshole. He did not serve his country, literally and figuratively.
I judge this guest poster to be an idiot.
Fuck u you pleebs... This man is an American hero... Go back to reading the huffing ton. Post! All I know is that he loves my country and I would rather have him in charge than van jones
I read two sentences of your article Gonzalo. All I have to say is (in Mr Cheney's own words) "Fuck Off".
As a former resident of the Peoples Republic of Vermont, I can say without reservation that THAT IS FUNNY.
In America's long line of freedoms, Dick ushered in and was champion of the freedom to be glaringly and unashamedly above the law... How very American of him, a true patriot indeed.
How's gold going to do the next few days ya think?
Our military protects our freedoms so that our politicians have something to take away...
At least Hilter got courage and fought bravely for his country in the trenches before he became German Chancellor. What I can say about Cheney?
Yeah waterboarding Muslim maniac leaders is all wrong... Simply nuking the regions they hide out in is more effective and much more satisfying. They should understand that is the penalty for fukking with us again. Cheney isn't afraid to defend his country. He made some mistakes - he didn't ask for the fight but he didn't hide from it, regardless of the risk of making such mistakes and being vilified by those in the bleachers(like the writer).
Not if there's gold there!!!!
Actually, Dickless Cheney WAS afraid to defend his country and DID hide from the fight.
5 deferments says so.
He made some mistakes - he didn't ask for the fight but he didn't hide from it
He created the illusion of a fight you witless sycophant.
Another fine example of American Exceptionally-Stupid-ism. Like those stoopid maps shortly after 9/11 showing 'Lake Afghanistan' -- good for a 5-second laugh until you look at an atlas. And they let people like you breed.
I always thought that Dick Cheney should be euthanized
or at least incarcerated for crimes against humanity.
But where do you start and who would do the dirty work ?
If there is any advise I could give to angry people it is this:
Don't get mad, get even !
I decided to sit this one out.... lotsa volatility in the junk-o-meter...
Cheney is evil incarnate.... but at least he is our evil guy...
You wuss.
Get in there and hit someone.
This is fight club.
After the bashing you took a week ago on three paths to extinction, why worry about the downer status?
I'm interested (genuinely) in your perspective on "...but he's our evil guy." No one has played that angle as yet on this very polarized thread.
Bedtime shortly, busy day tomorrow, so just one comment. (Besides, my monster box of Leafs arrived today and I want to fondle the precious)....
Dick Cheney is evil, but he is a master of Game Theory applied to the little old planet Earth. He plays to win and he is ruthless at it. He is no different than a lot of other guys on the other side, just better. And partly because of him, America lost it's hard earned Moral Ascendency.... If there is a Hell, he will be at Lucifer's right handside....
PS I don't think I got bashed in the thread in question.... sure, ganged up on, but I can handle it and I gave as good as I took, if not better, given the odds. I'll take anyone on that thinks otherwise, just not all at once :)
sure, he looked evil when he was debating a fag like john edwards but he was not evil.
How does any of this relate to gold?
another breathless load of golly gee from another Ivy league dilettante.... thx for the laugh.
Isn't Dick from brokeback Wyoming?
Isn't Dick from brokeback Wyoming?
So much "Cheney Derangement Sindrome" today. It is very ammusing.
Dick Cheney goes to Hell. Hmm. Have we thought about the implications of that? Hell implies Heaven and some sort of deity or deities that make make judgements as to where Dick Cheney will go. It stands to reason that such a deity or deities would make known rules that would let people know that to do and what not to do to avoid Hell. Such deity/deities may also make know the story of creation and to origin of man.
Therefore, wishing that Dick Cheney should go to Hell is an indirect admission that there is a god/gods, there is a Heaven and a Hell, and that Darwin was wrong, despite all scientific evidence. It also implies that creation is right and should be taught in school.
How's that for circular reasoning? I'm rather proud if it.
The alternative is the knowledge that Dick Cheney is not hell bound and will escape punishment for his alleged crimes. He will die like the rest of us. Oblivion awaits him, like the rest of us. Does this comfort you?
Thank you.
GOLD! I LIKE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD!
Up or down, let's discuss (in the fashion of new_meat) !!!
I'm going to go with "the undiscovered country from whose borne no visitor returns."
It holds out a smidgen of je ne sai qua.
Hope you don't mind.
TBTF banks and the prop desks, front-running their clients or illegally foreclosing on homeowners, behave as if they were Colonial Overlord Autocrats with veto powers over the publically elected parliament. This story usually ends badly. How sad the bad is may be under our control.
God created the universe and the life within it. Given the size of the sample set of an infinitely expanding space with an infinite number of eventualities all occuring in infinite realities (dimensions) in a millionth of a second discretization in an infinite time frame means that all and any eventuallities do occur. Pure randomness or chaos is impossible to model analyticaly using even the computers you could dream into existence 1000 years from now. We can only emulate it, it is only GOD that can supply 100% certified analytically verifiable randomness. The ultimate purpose of the universe that GOD created was to facilitate life, evolution and inevitably sentinent beings whose free thinking would further increase the number of eventualities at each discrete moment in time. Why? That is what God the Creator does. He creates. That is not what Dick Cheney does/did: He crushes life literally as well as spirit and free thinking which degrade the conditions for expansion of life. Cheney is an Anti-Creator. His effect will be washed out in the anals of time as the dent caused in the Creators plan will be inconsequential in the grand scheme of things as good will always overcome evil otherwise all the sample sets collapse to NULL value.
" The ultimate purpose of the universe that GOD created was to facilitate life, evolution and inevitably sentinent beings whose free thinking would further increase the number of eventualities at each discrete moment in time."
Respectfully, I think you are on thin ice when you presume to tell us what God' purpose was in creating or doing something.
Because that is how you see it, doesn't make it the express intention of God. My 2 cents.
Word is that when The Dick passes to Hypocrite Heaven, he is to be buried with full honors at Arlington Cemetery.
He is to be buried in a catafalque next to and matching the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
His will be called the Tomb of the Well-known Draft Dodger.
I don't buy Gonzolo Lira's argument that people don't care about the crimes he listed because today's america has lost its moral compass. The posts here confirm that. Perhaps people know that there has been a covert coup. That citizens have no power. Maybe they realize we are like other third world countries where it is best to shut up and do as you are told. Or we are too distracted with our horrible jobs, sports and dancing with the stars. Or we are not taught to think in schools but only learn how to follow. Or all of our information comes from the corporate owned news media that doesn't employ journalists. Or you name, but to say we are lesser human beings today then in the past just strikes me as silly.
It strikes me that left wing loons like you dont realize that you are the manority. Bush and Blair both got reelected AFTER the Iraq war.
left wing loon. ha.
Now WTF does that have to do with GOLD?
Somebody pull the battery on Doctor Evil Dick Cheney's mechanical heart. The only reason he's alive is because Satan keeps care of his own. He's definitely got a ticket on the on the Hell Bound Train.
Dick Cheney deserves to be buried in an extravagant state funeral with full military honors.
And this should preferably happen long before he dies.
And can his coffin have one of those little bells on it that can be rung from the inside (like they used to have in the 'olden days')? Just so we know how long to dance in the streets for?
I don't mean to make light of your moral outrage, but a "dime bag".
That is like a $10 bong hit nowadays, isn't it??
gh
Yeah, but how much GOLD for it?
Guess you can try to trade for some of that 1/10 gram Indian GOLD leaf??
You gotta admit though that Cheney is one of the best arguments for 2nd Amendment solutions....
Sounds like a helicopter over the house....
DOH!
Dime cost about 1/15 gram of GOLD!
Most politicians and top CEOs are psychopaths; the more power, the more corrupt they become to gain even more power, etc. Nothing will ever change this type of person; hence, the system must be changed.
Decrease the psychopaths' power by changing to a referendum voting system for all major decisions at every level: let the majority of people decide what is right and what is wrong and what the punishments for law breaking should be. While not perfect, it would be far better than what the world has now.
Keeping the same system and expecting things to be different next time is INSANITY!
This is the solution-will even 1% realize it?!
diebold.
I vote that all blonde haired people have their heads cut off. Blondes are immoral! Can I get 50%?
gh
Can't wait till Cheney is dead so I can piss on his grave. I bet i will have to wait in line.
and I'll fly the american flag.
That won't be honoring him. Bust out the Swastika if you want to do that. How you try to drape his actions with the flag is insulting on every person who died protecting this country.
For shame. It's your right to be a fool though. But believing in bullshit, doesn't make it any more real.
No, you misunderstand my intent. The death of that sociopath makes me want to fly the flag again. I took it down sometime during the clintonista regime.
Mob rule. Will the mob bid GOLD up though?
Would somebody please placate JohnG?
the poor guy wants to talk gold.
Show him some mercy.
This essay contains 2,857 words. The first paragraphs deal with Cheney in 313 words or 10.96% of the total.
Yet most responses are about Cheney.
Seems to me, most commenters are missing the point of the essay.
Nice piece of work, Gonzalo.
Regards
Jim
Finally! Someone noticed!
Cheney's betrayal of everything that America stands for isn't the issue—he's just an unambiguous symptom.
But the fact that so many people commenting here who are on the political Right—such as myself—are disputing that Cheney did any evil at all, or are explaining away as "necessary" the evil that he did, or are calling ME a "liberal bed-wetter", in a very real sense proves my point:
What passes for the Right today has adopted—embraced—the liberals' moral relativism. And they are using that relativism to justify evil—just like the Left did during the Cold War.
This isn't the conservatism that I believe in. I believe in moral absolutes: Evil is evil.
Cheney is evil—but the relativists who justify him are even worse.
GL
I like your piece. But you're wrong. In the history of America, no one is worse than Dick Cheney. It's not debatable.
Dick Who?
Well said, WB. "Victory Lap" indeed, as Cheney flaunts about in the lead-up to 9/11 tenth anniversary.
But I think we are way past the point where Obama has the choice, or the power, to hold him (or any of the rest of the perps) accountable. His administration is filled with the whole same gang as Bush's was; you can trace the names back through several administrations.
Disheartening though, to see the mindless rabble commenting here on ZH. Don't know if it's that the "old guard" just hasn't done the research, or what. All that brainpower focused on details of the financial machinations, maybe doesn't leave the time and energy to explore the bigger picture.
Hats off to you, though, for saying what needs to be said today!
oh so we should all join "infowars with alex jones"....
Bush and Blair both got reelected after the war you fucking left wing pussy peace monger
We know what happened to Tony, no word how Dick and W made out.
http://thinkingaboot.blogspot.com/2011/06/dr-kelly-still-dead.html
Yes, because alot of people believed the bullshit.
...and in 2006 once people figured out SOME of the bullshit, actually only a small portion, they preceeded to throw the Repubs out in full force.
In 2008 it was similar.
But then the dems continued with the bullshit, since they are all wall street, imperial, anti-american whores, and what happened?
In 2010 another fake moment gained steam, based on anti-american ideals while waving the flag and they pushed many dems out.
The electorate is dumbed down and way behind, but they do react eventually. Either way, they are 'trying' to do the right thing. But being uninformed sheep allows them to be idiots sometimes, and remarkably slow the other times.
So why is it that you are attacking 'pussy peace monger'? Are you saying as an American, we should be like british imperialism and go around the world fighting wars? What's American about British Imperialism? It's patriotic to use another countries ideology?
For what purpose? Because you are scared of people with different colored skin, slanted eyes, different ideological beliefs? Different religion? Because you believe they actually want to destroy us?
Funny thing is, do they really want to destroy YOU, or the imperial machine? You or the IMF? You or the financial sector? You or the CIA? You or how America acts imperially?
Are you willing to have your taxes raised to fight these wars? Well 10 years later...the opposite has happened. Even if we had raised them, it doesn't make these illegal wars, and USELESS wars, any more legit, or useful.
10 years of wasted war. Is America safer? Nope. A whole lot of waste. A whole lot of death, for NO REASON. Might not have noticed, Bin Laden was in a different country. Not Afghanistan or Iraq. Not Libya either.
If you think I'm a peace monger, then you completely missed the point. Only an idiot would confuse critiquing with being a 'peace monger'. You fight when it's NECESSARY. None of THIS was NECESSARY. But the dumbfucks bit into the bullcrap hook, line, and sinker. Any war is a good war mantra.
By the way, blair is also a mouthpiece for the imperial monetary system. He should be tried for crimes against humanity. Also part of the sexing up of the dossier, and the murder coverup. His shit convinced some congressmen, and how many of our boys and girls are now dead, maimed, or PTSD'ed because of him lying to us?
How many have died for the Queen's Afghanistan Opium war? How much are the TBTF's profiting off this? How many trillions? How many trillions after levering that up 30x?
Getting elected afterwards, is not a get out of jail free card. It's just another example of how twisted the public was over complete bullshit. Using that as 'evidence' is about as stupid as Forrest Gump. Wake up. As if people voting is akin to a jury in a trial over specific matters, where only FACTS are admitted, not propaganda.
Your threshold for idiocy, is quite low. They got reelected. So did Hitler. Didn't make his crimes dissappear. So did Stalin. Does that mean the millions he butchered didn't matter? You have some fucked up metrics for deciding things.
You have a weak stomach, worse than a peace monger. You can't stomach the truth, nor critique it. Talk about being a pussy. Just toe the company line, or the gov't propaganda. So sad.
Try Obama, Dick, Bush, and the rest of the assholes involved in all these illegal wars, rights confiscations, bailouts, repeals of laws like Glass-Steagall, etc. Prosecute them all. At least Col. Wilkerson has some balls. Willing to testify and take his punishment if he indeed committed a crime. Instead people like you don't care the Dick (among many others) pissed on the constitution, our soldiers, the world, and everything we fought for in reputation and is now making money off it. You're ok with that. He's a traitor, and should be treated as such through a court of law.
You have all the chest-beating hubris of someone who has never heard a shot fired in anger. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I might be the furthest thing from an "infowars with Alex Jones" fan as exists on Zerohedge, but I think Cheney is an asshole piece of shit lying hypocritical chickenhawk psychopath. Actually, that is wrong. I KNOW he is an asshole piece of shit lying hypocritical chickenhawk psychopath.
In my other post on this thread I failed to mention his outing of Valerie Plame (that's a felony), all because her husband Joe Wilson went to Niger and found out that the person supposedly signing the yellowcake export order had left his position in the Niger Government half a year before the order was supposedly made. In other words, Joe called bullshit on one of Cheney's obfuscations. Don't get me started on "Curveball".
Cheney did everything possible to avoid service when it was his time, and did everything possible to send others into harm's way as soon as he got the chance.
well...he can't hunt quail for shit...
Dick.
I hear he is a real Prick.
Some say he's even got Balls.
If your name was DICK,,,,How do you think you would turn out...???
The projection of the author on Cheney says much more about the author than Cheney. The moral superiority of a Wall Street hack makes one want to wretch.
Another cheap propaganda day by US citizens.
Okay, this article starts with the postulate that US citizens do not judge (something call relative morality or something)
It takes Mr.Cheney as the example.
Drawing from one example to a generality.
The reality is that US citizens are deeply judgemental. Not only do they judge everyone (but themselves hence Mr.Cheney) but they judge according to their standards.
Once it is done, they also sentence and execute the sentence.
Once again, a cheap attempt to sell US cheap propaganda for much more than its face value.
It is not enough that US citizens say they do not judge, they have not to judge actually. And this, they dont. US citizens judge, sentence and execute the sentence.
Now the case of Mr.Cheney is the one attached to your typical US citizen. US citizens judge everyone but themselves. They judge everyone but themselves through their US judgemental standards. And they refuse to be judged by their US standards. Judging them by their US standards usually brings a rejection reaction from US citizens, who cant stand being judged by their own standards.
This article is hogwash, typical of US citizenism.
It starts with a false postulate, backing by one singular example, to end with the idea that doing the reverse will do good.
False postulate: US citizens do not judge.
Backing up example: Mr.Cheney.
Conclusion: the current situation is due to US citizens will not to judge.
Cheap, cheap propaganda.
True postulate: US citizens do judge everyone but themselves, according to their US standards.
Backing up examples (among millions of others): Mr.Cheney, Iraq, Sudan etc
Conclusion: the state of the world is affected by this side of US citizenism.
Wow!! I find myself agreeing with a post by AnAnynomous!
A bunch of naive people on ZH, including the author, based on this article and the comments posted. I really thought the majority of readers here were more in tuned with reality, but the majority of the comments here prove otherwise.
Facts do not require to agree with them.
Facts are either admitted or dismissed.
everyone has their own version of the "facts"
Behold, the syntax of a moron:
"facts do not require to agree with them."???? wha-what?
"facts are either admitted or dismissed."
now that's just fucking profound. think of that all by yourself, did ya? sure there aren't any other alternatives; are facts so constrained?
i wanna party with you, fella. your mind's about as lively as cheney's bowels...and it processes a similar substance.
i'm gonna teach peace to the conquered/
lo, i'm gonna tame the proud!,
janus
congradulations, fucknuts!
you've invented something useless and inane -- the lonely and fatuous dialectic -- we'll call it LFD for future use; as i'm sure we'll be seeing much, much more of it from you in the very near.
conclusion: anon will be back to demonstrate his idiocy in an even more spectacularly turgid fashion...janus can't wait!
turgid is as turgid does,
janus
Come, you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you sit back and watch
While the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
While the young peoples' blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud
You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatenin' my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins
How much do I know
To talk out of turn?
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good?
Will it buy you forgiveness?
Do you think that it could?
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death will come soon
I'll follow your casket
On a pale afternoon
I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead,
xoxo,
janus
"...Politicians hide themselves away,
they only started the war.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that all to the poor...
Time will tell on their power minds,
Making war just for fun.
Treating people just like pawns in chess,
Wait 'til their judgement day comes..."
Good piece Gonzalo, thanks.
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush et al, as mentioned by others here, should all be made to atone for the crimes they've committed.
DavidC
God Bless Dick Cheney and George Bush
Even if your particular god exists, your plea falls on deaf ears.
"I'm against a policy where you have to destroy life in order to save life".
George W. Bush, referring to Stem Cell Research. Of course, the man who would go out of his way to "protect" undifferentiated and microscopic blobs, had no problem "destroying life in order to save life (sic)" if that life was walking, talking little brown Iraqi children, aka "collateral damage".
My guess is your god has an opinion on that, and it is unlikely to be a blessing.
The best part of the article was all of the authority-worshipping hand-lickers that were outed in the comments section, emoting over the dissing of one of their government heroes.
Maybe they believe if they lay it on thick enough ol' spotted Dick will give them a ride on his 'Victory Lap'.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/30/ex_bush_official_col_lawrence_wilk...
C'mon NerObama, indict the people with virtually same dumbfuck foreign policy ideology (imperial) as you.
At least this guy has some balls, and some integrity.
Glass-Steagall
ZH is so slack sometimes. Cheney (like Rumsfeld) has been around Washington since Trickey Dickey.
If you need a 100% confirmation of how your politics are held in contempt, Cheney & Rumsfeld were Democrats, for a bit. In 76' he was campaigning for Ford - in 78' he was a Republican.
Work that shit out boys. Oh, and that little matter of that extra $20 odd billion on the F22.
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