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Guest Post: NDAA Protests End In Ironic Swarm Of Arrests

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

NDAA Protests End In Ironic Swarm Of Arrests

The absurdity of America today never ceases to amaze.  In fact, it has become so elaborate that one might even suggest it has reached a kind of poetic symmetry.  When a protest group is willing to stick their necks out to expose the horror of the National Defense Authorization Act and its open door strategy for unconstitutional arrest and indefinite detainment of American citizens, I have to stand up and applaud.  This is the kind of protest we need to see all over the country.  Of course, any establishment system which is willing to dissolve the inherent liberties of its citizens certainly isn't going to stand by quietly while they blatantly point out the injustice.  The Grand Central Terminal action featured in the video below is a perfect example of the swift and immediate stifling of peaceful dissent by an increasingly totalitarian government:

Responses to the event vary.  Most people who have actually been exposed to the facts on the NDAA have expressed utter disgust and fury.  Rightly so.  Some, however, have taken the old elitist mantra, perpetuated effectively by the Neo-Cons in their heyday, that if you are not for the system, then you are a danger to society.  Not surprisingly, there are still plenty of useful idiots out there buzzing about like parasites in search of blood.

For those who would applaud these arrests, and suggest that they are well deserved, I would have to ask very pointedly; why?

Is it right to crush free speech as long as the message is offensive to you personally?  Do peaceful protestors really present a legitimate threat to our national stability?  Are they truly more dangerous than a corrupt government hellbent on assassinating the legal protections of our natural rights which have existed for centuries?  Would any supporter of the jackboot methodology like to explain to me in a coherent manner why they believe their skewed world view should be shielded from sincere questions?  Please, I can't wait to witness the kind of ridiculous mental gymnastics required to make such arguments palatable.  If this kind of ignorance wasn't so destructive, it might actually be entertaining.

The bottom line is, it doesn't matter if these activists were in Grand Central Terminal, on the streets, or busting through the doors of the Oval Office.  While New York authorities will attempt to argue property loopholes in free speech protections for Grand Central, or national security because of the vulnerability of the terminal, really, this has nothing to do with either.  This is about the removal of American voices from a room, and nothing more.   If the message is going to be suppressed by the mainstream media, and shrugged off by representatives, then protesters must go to where the people are, and make the truth heard by whatever means necessary.

Ultimately, activism is about disturbing people's normal mundane routines and shocking them out of their pop-culture stupor, even if for a moment.  If we aren't allowed to do that without constant police intervention, then the First Amendment is not being served, and then, my friends, we have a problem, a problem which should be forced down the throat of government with even more public action.


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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:43 | 2049976 Jason T
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It's Ron Paul or bust : ( 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:59 | 2050002 fuu
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It's already busted.

Ron Paul though!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:00 | 2050050 hedgeless_horseman
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Relax.  Obama had "serious reservations" about signing the NDAA.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:11 | 2050063 Pladizow
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America is no more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:12 | 2050117 Sudden Debt
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America, the land of the free.

So you can do whatever they tell you to do.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:17 | 2050148 Hugh_Jorgan
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Since when do peaceful protesters wear masks?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:20 | 2050164 SheepDog-One
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What 'masks'? I see 1 guy wearing a motorcycle helmet, probably the smartest guy in the crowd!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:42 | 2050279 Hard1
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America gradually stopped being the land of the free for a while now, this process accelerated a while ago, now that th frogs are dying in boiling water, somebody is just starting to realize that there is a problem with the corrupt dictatorship governing the country.  The only difference in the two corrupt parties are their stances or abortion and homosexual marriage!!! Just Amazing!!!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:57 | 2050343 Badabing
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“Some, however, have taken the old elitist mantra, perpetuated effectively by the Neo-Cons in their heyday, that if you are not for the system, then you are a danger to society.”



This says it in a nut shell.


But! Don’t forget Zheeple, our system is the U.S.constitution.


And the banksters are the ones In competition with the system.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:00 | 2050583 Haywood Jablowme
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Coming in year 3, you should have your push-up reps and squat thrust reps up by now.  Hope you fat-ass Americans been workin' on those pull-ups too.  Proper form ladies.  Proper form.....

The Liberty Bell be ringin' !!!!!   Ding!  Dong!  Ding!  Dong!  Ding!



Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:05 | 2050847 Silver Dreamer
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America is an idea.  My country is alive and well within my heart and the hearts of millions of other patriots.  Our republic may be dead, but the idea behind America is very alive.  That idea will not perish as long as patriots are willing to die to defend it too.  I welcome the end to the American empire and hope to be alive to help rebuild our country's republic.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:44 | 2051085 Ruffcut
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Sorry to step ahead. But WATCH THAT AGAIN !


Please watch it again. My buddy did an independent film and there is a certain smell, here.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:50 | 2051844 NaN
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An outstanding video!

This time the revolution will be televised.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:49 | 2051608 Dugald
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A noble sentiment, I hope you can live long enough to pull it off, but just how bad does the situation have to get before you put up, or just wimper off over the horizon with short sharp jerky movements.....America, the world is watching, will you come  through, or will you just become a maddend beast and tear yourselves and others to pieces in the process, your cousins and you have many, have their fingers crossed for you.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:27 | 2050470 Taint Boil
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There is always the Bread Hat Guy. Do what it takes with what you have and never give up.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:11 | 2050637 Haywood Jablowme
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Bread Hat & Pan Guy ----- fucking classic!  Those were the good ole' days....


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:54 | 2050799 Canaduh
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Some other guy used him for an avatar too, I thought I was being original.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:21 | 2050175 john39
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since the fascist government installed cameras hooked to computers with face regocnition software literally everywhere.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:55 | 2051870 NaN
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Time for mass Groucho glasses and silly hats.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:29 | 2050204 MachoMan
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When they're scared of being labeled terrorists?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:29 | 2050210 fuu
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Since those who serve and protect wield clubs?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:35 | 2050222 JPM Hater001
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I live in WI AND my wife is a teacher.  I have been very vocal (to my wife's dismay though she agrees) about what is happening in the world (TY ZH) in the local paper-  I simply listed 5 things to be concerned about:

1) The ESF (and Fed but the ESF is really scary)


3) FEMA Camps


5) I quoted JFK on the ruthless conspiracy.

My wife's closest friend and collegue is pissed I stood openly aginst collective barganing and in response to this letter to the editor she say...and I quote from my wife, "He is spouting off about these ridiculous conspiracy theroies."  Then of course walks off.

My wife came home and said...again I quote, "I wish this fucking thing would just crash so she can see just how blind and wrong she is."

I married the greatest women in the world.  Good night moon...good night Laurie...that bump in the night your scared of...I'm not because I know what it is an unlike you I am prepared.

EDIT: I believe small local papers are a great venue for awakening.  I give free and open rights to republish under your name.  They edited it so if you want the actual full text check out the youtube of it...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:44 | 2050287 SteveGennisonBa...
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My wife is a teacher also, but in Ohio.  I stood quiet on the collective bargaining, pretending to back her 100%.  She isnt that far off from your wife, but not quite there in regards to understanding all this shit.  She watches DWS and other reality shit, so maybe I've ultimately failed.  I cringe everytime she watches those shows.  Slowly but surely, I hope to bring her to reality.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:59 | 2050350 Conrad Murray
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These videos are an excellent way to potentially open her mind up a bit more. Maybe you watch them first, then pick an order for viewing, or research a bit further in case she has questions. Maybe you two just dive in and take the ride together. You will not be disappointed.

Human Resources:

The Century of the Self:

The American Dream:

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:13 | 2050416 trav7777
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R U dum?

Women don't want to think; they want to feel good.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:34 | 2050490 Dangertime
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This is absolutely true.


A good indicator is how many women purchase Cosmpolitan and People versus Popular Mechanics.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:45 | 2050511 BigJim
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But men buy Popular Mechanics because it makes them feel good!

It's all about specialisation. Women buy Cosmo et al so they can learn how to do a decent  blowjob and dress swankily in the hope of attracting a higher-ranking male.

Men buy Popular Mechanics so they can have some hope of maintaining all the crap they buy trying to attract higher-ranking females.

That's putting it all a bit crudely, obviously, but it makes for a decent working hypothesis. Discuss!

edit: my advice to women hoping to perfect their blowjob technique is simple: just practice more.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:52 | 2050562 Dangertime
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One magazine is the application of logic.....the other is all about feeling good and Royal weddings and such.


Do I really need to say more?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:11 | 2050640 Odin
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Hah this turned into an interesting psychological discussion. I would agree that on average, men more than women tend to be more attune to the socio-political degradation being perpetrated around us. This not to discredit ALL women though... We can't discuss things in such all or nothing frameworks, the universe doesn't work that way... Nietzsche, however, would definitely back up the claim that women tend to be more malleable then men. I would argue that men just tend to be more attune to abrasive authority... It's in our nature to recognize and crush this kind of authority, or even authority in general...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:59 | 2051174 Cathartes Aura
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somewhat arbitrary jump in thread here, but I'll also "reply" to you Odin. . .

some of you guys haven't made that leap of consciousness that would do you the world of good, the one where you understand how MANipulated the idea of "culture" is, and the huge part of it that is "gender roles."

there are humans, there are humans with genitals and hormones that skew towards "male" and "female" on a continuum - THEN there are the "attributes" assigned to the labels - males gendered MEN have assigned characteristics, like "competitive, logical, loner, strength" - particular attributes suited to being provider & warrior, which is what the culture needs from you in order to make USE of you within its agenda(wars & soldiers). . . females gendered WOMEN have assigned characteristics, including "nurture, emotion, group" again, charateristics that serve the culture - and since these "stories" have been told over centuries, then the culture's story, perpetuated by religion, which is a GREAT place to unpick gender roles, is that women are less valuable than men to the culture, men fight wars to preserve the culture, and women make the nests when the culture needs pair bonding breeders to replenish from wars. . . ETC.

do a bit of research around WWII, when women were re-tooled to serve the men's roles in manufacturing while the men were sent to fight the elite's wars - as soon as that role was "done" that privilege was yanked back, the privilege to work and make good money for the work, and 50's housewife culture was introduced - specifically to create a pair that culturally went to work, earned, made babies, bought "ticky tacky box" houses, and consumed, spent the wages into growing the economy, and tax base. . .

blahblahblah - just because YOU believe your training, and can only SEE what you have been TOLD to see - that men are so smart, and logical, and women are sexual accessories - then you will never have the intellect to even SEE the women out there who have jumped the fence of their own programming, and are smart, independent, logical - oh WAIT, they're imitating MENS aren't they???  *confused*

traits ARE, they don't have only men or only women stamped on them - any human can perform any gender.  investigate WHO BENEFITS from the gender roles, and who drinks the KoolAid.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:05 | 2051191 DaveyJones
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thank you Rosie the Riveter. Was waiting for you or MsCreant to set shit straight.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:12 | 2051217 Cathartes Aura
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lol, hey DaveyJones - I have a little postcard from a friend above my work area here,


I come in from morning outdoor "chores" to coffee & ZH - always a bit late to the discussions, but damn - who could resist! 

g'mornin' to you!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:09 | 2051205 Cathartes Aura
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grrr, didn't reply where I wanted to:

Nietzsche, however, would definitely back up the claim that women tend to be more malleable then men. I would argue that men just tend to be more attune to abrasive authority... It's in our nature to recognize and crush this kind of authority, or even authority in general...

another way to say this is women, kept from earning their own keep in the workplace, saved as cooks and maids for the elites, were relatively recently allowed to earn enough to support themselves - so the "malleable" part is less dependent on the men for support, and more able to function independent of male wages (ie, HAVING to be married, instead of CHOOSING to be in a relationship), it's an "independence vs. dependence" thing, malleability. . . and men's attunement to abrasive authority is the part of men encouraged to be COMBATive to being told what to do - the part that gets broken down upon entering the SERVICE (check the words guys), so as to learn to fight in packs, "not solo against the world" - but either way, it serves the story. . . that someone else wrote for you. . . for all of us.

it's in ALL our natures to want to recognise and crush authority OVER our being - but some folks have multiple layers of conditioning they need to work through first. . .

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:52 | 2052063 Xaqaria
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It only seems as though men are more likely to be in-tune with current events because the women that are in-tune are off doing something about it and the men who are in tune are just sitting on ZH talking about it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:14 | 2050649 fuu
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Both magazines exist to sell shit.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:41 | 2052032 Arkadaba
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As to some of the above comments ... holy shit. If the only women you know don't read anything beyond Cosmopolitan, that is your loss. There are a lot of intelligent, rational, aware, women out there. Maybe it is more a reflection of the type of woman who is attracted to you?


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:23 | 2050666 DaveyJones
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yes, the magazine that made pathetic attempts to support the government's version of 911 is applying logic over emotion, science over sociology, Rumsfelds over Royals. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:22 | 2050685 Bolweevil
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Coming from the fucking stooge with the Porsche emblem.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:58 | 2050816 Dangertime
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The first to throw insults is always the debate loser.


Take your pretty lies, I'll take the ugly truth any day.  Does anything useful come out of magazines like People?  OK?  InTouch?

Emotion versus Logic, I always thought people knew this as common sense.  Hell we even joke about it by saying nobody can understand women.

Seriously, how blind can you possibly be?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:44 | 2051080 DaveyJones
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be careful with that "emotion" vs "logic" & women are only emotional thing. If anything, there is not enough emotion driving our citizens to save our country and our children. Women were key players in the movements in Egypt and Iceland. Unlike gum and a brisk walk, you can think and feel at the same time. In fact, both are necesary human survival traits. Just ask mom     

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:27 | 2051275 Cathartes Aura
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the notion of "duality" requires paired ideas in opposition to each other

Emotion versus Logic, I always thought people knew this as common sense.

where you lose your "argument" is assigning the word to a specific gender - "women are emotional, men logical" - anyone with half a brain can find any number of stories that prove that idea wrong.

how "logical" are the stories of men taking guns to family, or neighbours, or just randomly "going postal" - how is this logical?  how is a woman scientist, surgeon, etc. "emotional"? 


Seriously, how blind can you possibly be?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:38 | 2052902 StychoKiller
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"Women that behave, seldom make History."

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 00:39 | 2053396 Cathartes Aura
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uppity womens.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:40 | 2051806 SheHunter
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Interesting feed you guys.  Something to reflect upon.  I can walk into the magazine section of a Walmart in Rock Springs WY and Elko NV and women over 30 will be reading food and beauty mags and the men over 30 will be bunched into the truck and gun corner of aisle.  I can randomly select equal numbers of women and men walking out of this store and both sexes will be equally ignorant of news that stretches any deeper than FOX.   Be it beauty, food, Winchesters, T&A, or custom truck rims...its all for the quick-pleasure feel good sensation.  If your wife like reality shows and married her.  She won't change.  Hopefully she does a good BJ - like another thoughtful ZH posted a few feeds below.  Men or women- most do not use their brain past figuring what to wear that will turn heads or how to get the attention of someone who is wearing something you like.  Pathos.  Look it up.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:55 | 2051868 TheFourthStooge-ing
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+1 SheHunter

You hit the nail squarely on the head.

When a person says, "all [arbitrary grouping of people] are [arbitrary characteristic]," it is a reliable indicator that that person doesn't want to think.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:41 | 2052912 StychoKiller
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Problem is:  Walmart has already pre-selected the magazines for everyone, the non-controversial ones...You have to actively seek out the Truth (or it will hit you with a 2X4!)

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:51 | 2050559 jemlyn
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It's not the magazines, dummy, it's the TV shows.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:42 | 2050507 DaveyJones
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did your female side tell you that or your feminine professor? As Dangertime's comment demonstrates, women are conditioned in that direction, the smart ones figure out the game.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:44 | 2050532 JPM Hater001
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Trav7777. This really isn't useful rhetoric. They have The Bachelor and guys have ESPN.

As long as she is letting you prepare her complicity isn't required. But I don't think this video is where you start. In fact that she hasn't come around is useful for you to practice...

Learn to teach freedom. Learn to explain liberty. Once she understands that then and only then can the rest be learned.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:16 | 2050923 Citxmech
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Tell that to my wife: BA Philosopy; MS Bio; MS Epidemiology; PhD Molecular Bio.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:32 | 2051015 Strelok
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If she thinks she's smarter than you, and won't listen to you because of that, you're stuck in a feminist bear trap.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:22 | 2051747 Citxmech
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Actually, I think she gives me more credit than I deserve!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:51 | 2051849 SheHunter
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Feminism was achieved years ago just like racial equality.  There's no need for feminism anymore just as there is no need to expound on racial equality.  Let it go and move on.  We're all on this ship together regardless of the body parts, skin color and everything else superficial.  The ones holding onto race and sex difference/equality are the ones afraid to let go.  Enough already.  If she thinks she is smarter than you and so will not listen to you she likely thinks she is smarter than everyone and will listern to no one.  Annoying trait but not the result of her being female and you male for kee-rist sake.  Ask some women who know her- bet she does not listen to them either.  C'mon you guys.  Drop the old and get on with the new.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:31 | 2051010 pops
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Shoes, your honor.

The prosecution rests.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:48 | 2050550 SteveGennisonBa...
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@Conrad-- Thanks for the links, I'm very familiar with these ideas.  The problem is not getting her to understand, the problem is keeping her attention span for longer than 1/2 hour so she can have a chance to understand.  These are way too long for her, except of course the American Dream.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:59 | 2050592 Odin
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Keep fighting the good fight brother, the sheeple will have no choice but to wake up soon enough...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:11 | 2050636 DaveyJones
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that's right, bring that democracy spreading back home. wonder when the police will just be drones.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:22 | 2050684 SilverDOG
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are they not already.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:09 | 2050877 Silver Dreamer
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"Democracy" by force apparently applies on US soil now too.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:55 | 2050339 rosiescenario
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I'd say about the same date tear gas was invented.....probably in the late 1900's but I have not really researched this...just a hunch. Since you asked, maybe you could do a bit of dd on this and report back to us?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:05 | 2050371 Calmyourself
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When  the FBI is building a massive database of Biometrics for protection purposes only of course its for your own good..

Remember when paranoia was only for wierdo's ? Good news, it's gone mainstream..

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:20 | 2050445 Swarmee
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Since officers have begun using tactics which injure peaceful protestors without any repercussions or remonstration to themselves. Like spraying mace directly into the eyes of nonviolent protestors.

Also there is no requirement that free speech be attributable to the speaker. In fact, quite the opposite, the right to anonymous free speech has been upheld (and rightly so) many times by the judicial branch.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:36 | 2051041 Strelok
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I just learned a new word - remonstrate.  A synonym is expostulate.  Thanks!

P.S.  Yes, I graduated from the public school system. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:21 | 2050451 DB Cooper
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.  Thomas Jefferson

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:11 | 2050893 Silver Dreamer
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The problem of course is that when the government reminds us to be fearful, those actions are considered legal.  Any attempt by us to remind the government however is considered illegal.  Go figure!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:33 | 2050488 DaveyJones
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which organ is working which isn't?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:38 | 2050504 writingsonthewall
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...from the time that the authorities started keeping a track of faces which they can grab in a shakedown in the future.


Most of the Arab protestors cover their faces - do you think they are

a) Not peaceful

b) Scared shitless their Government will execute them if they are identified


You are already a slave to the system - next you'll be saying these people have no right to protest because they 'benefit' from the system which requires such draconian acts.

Any semblence of logical thought would result in this conclusion. Clearly you're a 'repeater' not a 'thinker' - perfect for their vision of the future obedient society.


Learn this phrase

"I may not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it"

Now fuckoff back to the Government hole you popped out from.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:56 | 2050579 jemlyn
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That quote is from Voltaire.  He should be given credit.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:02 | 2050597 Haywood Jablowme
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Since when do peaceful protesters wear masks?

Since the zionist controlled state started using facial recognition software.  Duh! 


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:21 | 2050681 midtowng
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They are peaceful protesters when they PROTEST PEACEFULLY! They could wears guns and still be peaceful protesters.

The fact that they wear masks only shows that they are smart in a society that doesn't tolerate dissent.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:31 | 2050714 Braindonor1
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In a free society, people are can choose to wear a mask (or not) as they see fit. 

I find it ironic that you use the granted freedom of expression on a privately owned blog to question the civic rights of individuals that were established centuries ago.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:20 | 2051964 smlbizman
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they wear fucking mask when they know they can be hauled away forever without cause....maybe they ought to protest...what a troll...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:53 | 2052960 AustriAnnie
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"Since when do peaceful protesters wear masks?"

Since they get sprayed with mace by the cops for speaking their mind.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:23 | 2050167 uno
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US citizens are now experiencing what the CIA, IMF etc have been doing to other countries for decades, inserting/supporting dictators - the worse the better; stealing resources for the very few.  Use to be Middle East, Central & South America, now it's North America.  Look to the type of psychos who ran these countries as the road map.  Also state controlled Media, prisions where citizens disappear, the model has perfected just in time for the USA's turn

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:56 | 2050342 pods
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Yep, Confessions of an Economic Hitman was a great book!  Too bad it isn't fiction.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:13 | 2050903 Silver Dreamer
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I have to give credit where credit is due.  That man's book was one of my baby steps towards waking up.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:51 | 2051119 DaveyJones
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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:27 | 2051389 Cathartes Aura
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paired with Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine, helped expand my awareness of a stale storyline as well. . .

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:35 | 2052009 DaveyJones
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another one of those dangerous broads with their thinking emotions....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:15 | 2050655 sun tzu
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Dictators have been around long before the CIA or IMF existed. Freedom is relatively new. Man has been ruled by kings and emperors since civilization began

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:02 | 2050833 Reptil
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Rule by kings or emperors doesn't equal a police state. It could mean that, but is not the same thing.

NEVER before has a corporation had an equal position to a living human being, fascism at it's purest.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:57 | 2051159 DaveyJones
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could not agree more. The world has never had entities that wield control over the entire planet. Not only legal standing now better than humans (human + unlimited money and influence), but, for the first time, granted the authority to patent life forms and food, gentically alter that food, and produce new forms that not only cease to replicate but destroy their surroundings and the life forms that eat it. Emperors have always been evil, but they have never been this powerful.     

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:58 | 2051449 Cathartes Aura
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in bestowing corporations "personhood" they have created the ultimate monster-god,

Not only legal standing now better than humans (human + unlimited money and influence), but, for the first time, granted the authority to patent life forms and food, gentically alter that food, and produce new forms that not only cease to replicate but destroy their surroundings and the life forms that eat it.

legally "better than humans" with the authority to "create life forms" including the very food humans depend on, traditionally "Mother Natures's" role, corporations are GOD-like inventions, MAN-made-gods. . .

where have we heard this one before. . .

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:25 | 2050185 Whoa Dammit
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And here I was thinking we were the land of the fee, so we had to pay whatever they tell us to. But you're telling me that now we have to not only pay, we have to obey. Sheesh. ;-).

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:28 | 2050203 In Fed We Trust
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All protests must be

In the name of Occupy.

Or they are forbidden.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:31 | 2050223 In Fed We Trust
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The good news is that no one will be arretested until after the election as it wont bode well fir his relection.

That gives ud 9 months to bunker down or splt town.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 23:00 | 2053000 AustriAnnie
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"No one will be arrested until after the election"


Did you read the article?  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:04 | 2050064 OutLookingIn
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He even said that he would not enforce it! The chief executive not enforcing the law? Where have we seen that before? What a bitter disapointment this administration has been. Hope? Change? Just empty words.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:05 | 2050069 fuu
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Too bad it stays the law for the next guy, and the next guy, and the next guy...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:24 | 2050188 azzhatter
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Not if we are courageous enough to elect Dr. Paul

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:13 | 2050412 fuu
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True dat.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:16 | 2050912 Silver Dreamer
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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:15 | 2050914 Silver Dreamer
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Unfortunately, We the People do not elect anyone.  We select between two carefully selected candidates, and both of them just happen to be bankster puppets.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:23 | 2051546 Cathartes Aura
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understanding this, knowing this, frees up the mind to put attention towards self-responsibility, self-reliance, autonomy.

until then, the trap is duality, choosing false "sides" to align with. . .


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:11 | 2050106 pods
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Ain't no such thing as a halfway crook!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:15 | 2050656 Haywood Jablowme
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a bunch of fucking shook ones...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:36 | 2050497 Dangertime
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My question is.....


If he will not support it, then why would he sign it?


Actions matter, words are just wind.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:17 | 2050929 Silver Dreamer
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He did support it.  His threat to veto was only because he wanted to make sure it applied to US citizens.  The MSM played a fast one on folks as usual.  Most people fell for it too.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:49 | 2052027 DaveyJones
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that's exactly what happened.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:16 | 2050660 sun tzu
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Like obamacare, it will be selectively enforced. Those who vote for him have nothing to fear

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:05 | 2050070 francis_sawyer
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When he signed it, he & his wife were on the way to a fancy restaurant dinner... That's where the "serious reservations" part comes in to play...

Other "serious reservations" have to do with tee times at Burning Tree CC

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:41 | 2052034 DaveyJones
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I thought "serious reservations" was the new sign on the citizen camps

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:08 | 2050082 Ruffcut
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His position and policy are curing many peeps "serious reservations" of buying more guns and ammo.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:31 | 2050219 xela2200
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Relax.  Obama had "serious reservations" about signing the NDAA.

Stupid politicians and even stupider people those who fall for this type of statement. He is saying I want to sign, but I don't want to be held accountable. This is not what a true leader does.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:45 | 2050292 Judge Arrow
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Serious reservations for a 9 am tee time, indeed!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:12 | 2050633 carguym14
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What he meant was he had serious reservations on the golf course- lets get this baby signed!!

edit-beat like a redheaded step child-I am too slow.....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:31 | 2051302 Arkadaba
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I came across this great column by Glenn Greenwald (respected in progressive circles) outlining the hypocrisy of the liberal reaction to Ron Paul. I'm passing it along to my liberal friends who seem to have a knee-jerk reaction to Ron Paul:

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:09 | 2052105 GuidoFawkes
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Obama almost had me fooled. "Serious reservations" my big fat arse. The only reason he gave any push-back at all was because he felt the language didn't give him enough power.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:32 | 2050225 Muddy1
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Every US citizen that reads this site has 2 senators, and 1 representative in congress.  Check their voting record on NDAA and them demand an explaination from them as to why they voted for it.

What happened to our right to peacefully assemble guaranteed in the First Ammendment?

Senators who voted for NDAA (scroll down a ways):

Congressional Representatives who voted for NDAA (HR1540):

In Colorado: Senators Bennet (D) and Udall (D), YES, 

Representatives Gardner (R), Lamborn (R), and Perlmutter (R) YES

DeGette (D), Polis (D), Tipton (R), Coffman (R) NO

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:43 | 2050286 chdwlch1
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Now that the NDAA has passed, I would love to see another bill introduced that states the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights hold greater authority over ALL subsequent bills passed by Congress. In fact, it should be included at the beginning of every new bill and added to every past bill. Any "representative" that voted against this idea would be exposed for what they really are and it would make it simple enough for the average, uninterested American to figure out the true intentions of their elected officials. It sure would help everyone sift through all the BS and double-talk spewing from the mouths of our bought-and-paid-for politicians.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:02 | 2050311 hedgeless_horseman
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My Congressman, Kevin Brady, voted for the NDAA.  I am of the opinion that Brady is not a Republican, Kevin Brady is a Fascist.  I will gladly debate him in a public forum on this matter, using his voting record as Exhibit A.


Has your elected representative voted for fascism?

Which of Dr. Lawrence Britt's defining characteristics of a Fascist Regime fit America today?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homo-sexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:28 | 2050474 Randall Cabot
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That guy doesn't look like a Kevin Brady.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:38 | 2051051 TheFourthStooge-ing
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His friends call him Benito.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:52 | 2050563 BigJim
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About the only one I disagree with is #5 - seems to me our governments are becoming less sexist, if anything.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:35 | 2050724 Beard of Zeus
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#1 is wrong. There is nothing "Nationalist" about the current regime.

The American regime is globalist-totalitarian.

The US is an IMPERIAL power, NOT a "Nationalist" one.




Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:56 | 2050803 hedgeless_horseman
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#1 Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

What is that red, white, and blue thing in the photo behind Brady and on Obama's lapel?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:05 | 2050856 Beard of Zeus
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It's the IMPERIAL flag.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:19 | 2050939 Silver Dreamer
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They may be fascists, but they are definitely the puppets of fascists.  That is without question.  Most of our representatives are these days!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:00 | 2051652 Cathartes Aura
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bravo hedgeless_ !!

would that we could all work towards making your debate a reality.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:18 | 2051956 SeanJKerrigan
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Good stuff, but just for the record, it's Laurence Britt and he's not a doctor, but an author of the dystopian novel June, 2004.  He wrote this real list in 2004.  Still a valid and fairly complete list though.  Increasingly applicable to the United States as well.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:35 | 2050241 trav7777
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Ignoring RP continues:

Note that they do not even MENTION HIM in their results in the headlined 2nd paragraph.  Further down you can see that RP got 4 votes to Mormney's 5 in one of the quoted sections.

You actually have to dig to find out how RP did in any election.

The MSM has decided, and even explicitly stated, that he is "unelectable."  This train we're on will not be allowed to be derailed by anyone.  They will not permit an end to GWOT or WOD or the spy state or the Fed system.  The ONLY difference between the two parties is on WEDGE social issues like gay marriage or abortion.  You are expected to pick a "team" and root for it.  Players may move from the other team to your team from time to time and there is no material difference between, for example, two NFL rivals like BAL and PIT.  They are collections of professional players.  It is certainly possible for the ENTIRE ROSTER of one to go to the other and vice versa and the fans are expected to now cheer for players they previously spat at merely because they put on a different jersey.

The election system is a sham and using "the system" cannot any longer produce success.  We are legitimately looking at a "soft Egypt" where election outcomes unfavorable to the power structure will be rejected by force if necessary.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:33 | 2051022 DCFusor
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trav, for once we are in complete and utter agreement.  I just wish this was fiction instead of the truth it is.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:17 | 2051722 Cathartes Aura
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while there's much I agree with in your post trav, having repeatedly made the same points about there being virtually no difference between "parties" and the "sports team analogy" with election "season," I did see your subtle message

WEDGE social issues like gay marriage or abortion

here - by using "social" you've very carefully aligned those "issues" as of lesser importance (and gendered tagline) to you, and elevated your rights, which are not at all affected by these "social issues" above those who might be affected.

all the while conveniently ignoring the "wedge" of diminishing rights for all that these "social issues" incrementally address.

I find it of interest that you who constantly make posts against rights for "blacks" or "women" have chosen a side here, particularly given some of the arguments related to those "topics" relative to the candidate you are in favour of.

but yes, of course the MSM is a tool of the elite, and of course electioneering is rigged.  always has been.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:50 | 2050004 msamour
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It's looking like bust from my point of view, unfortunately. Ultimately, I believe we need that. As many have said here, there will be no change until the bulk of the population skips 9 meals...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:58 | 2050035 Popo
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An illegal arrest is an assault.


An appropriate response to assault is self defense.


Violence when used in self-defense is appropriate and legal.


Ergo,  violently resisting illegal arrest is appropriate and legal.


Furthermore, a police officer operating outside of the law is not afforded the protections of the law or his station.


Ergo, doing violence to a police officer when resisting illegal arrest is appropriate and legal.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:09 | 2050091 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Good luck with that in court.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:12 | 2050111 thedrickster
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The kangaroo courts aside, he is correct.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:36 | 2050251 MachoMan
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Not really.  There is a lot of case law out there materially mitigating the right to violently resist...  There is no fine line, ahead of time, for what will or will not be viewed as inappropriate after the fact.

The other issue, practically speaking, is that the potential arrestor will likely have numerous armed assistants...  which means that should you attempt violent defense, you will be dealt with accordingly (or in a much over-the-top fashion)...  and the assistants will testify against you, if you're lucky enough to make it out alive...  blue shield and all.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:53 | 2050324 thedrickster
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What part of the "kangaroo courts" did you miss? Under the Common Law is he not correct?

As for the thin blue line, again this is as it is, not as it should be. I am making a moral judgement; the poster is correct/right.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:46 | 2050539 writingsonthewall
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In all western democracies we are all GOVERNED BY CONSENT


As you do not give your consent (in writing) consent is ASSUMED at your birth.


However every western nation has within it's legal history the ultimate right to withdraw that consent (i.e. break the law)


In the UK it's in the Magna carta and has never been repealed - in the US there will be a similar law buried in the constitution / bill of rights.


You need to find it and exercise it.


It's protection against fascism - no majority needed as this would play into the hands of the fascists who rig elections.


Don't worry, your founding fathers were very clever people - they saw this type of event coming.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:53 | 2050567 thedrickster
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You are replying to/lecutring the wrong poster.

Incidentally, I believe you are referring to the second amendment to the US constitution, an insurance policy against fascism if you will.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:22 | 2050953 Silver Dreamer
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That's an excellent analogy.  I recommend everyone increase their "coverage" then.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:10 | 2050393 trav7777
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Most case law establishes conclusively the RIGHT to resist unlawful arrest with deadly force.

Seriously, before speaking, do research.  Caselaw opposite of this premise is in the minority.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:13 | 2050413 thedrickster
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Just for fun:


Bad Elk v. United States, 177 U.S. 529, 535 (1900): “If the officer had no right to arrest, the other party might resist the illegal attempt to arrest him, using no more force than was absolutely necessary to repel the assault constituting the attempt to arrest.”

United States v. Di Re, 332 U.S. 581, 594 (1948) “One has an undoubted right to resist an unlawful arrest, and courts will uphold the right of resistance in proper cases.”

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:17 | 2050434 trav7777
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it is pretty well-established jurisprudence.  I think one state, who the fuck was it, Illinois, recently abrogated that right in their highest state court.  An absurd ruling.

You have the right to resist unlawful arrest, up to an including taking the officer's life.  There was another recent case in another midwest state where they reaffirmed this in unqualified fashion.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:27 | 2050467 thedrickster
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It was Indiana that parted with 1000+ years of jurisprudence.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:51 | 2050558 DaveyJones
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no, and if you take a moment to think you can see why most jurisdictions have placed a rule much like that outlined by your brethren. Self defense itself has a proportionality rule...and if you take a moment, you can see why.   

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:09 | 2050873 MachoMan
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Yes Trav, I don't dispute that it's possible to successfully utilize deadly force to defend against an unlawful arrest...  the problem is where legal theory (rubber) meets the real world (road).  For every one case out there where some materially violent act against the state was justified in self defense, there are hundreds (thousands?) where it was not...  In the context of a protest, you WILL NOT be justified in using deadly force or escalating violence...  anything short of kent state, and you're probably going to be shit out of luck...  and even that won't be a cakewalk.  (clearly the facts associated with public activities are going to be very much different than a setting inside your private residence, where you would likely be afforded more leeway).

Not only will you have to hurdle whether the police action was legal, you've got to hurdle whether your response was reasonable under the circumstances...  Practically speaking, this ensures that the risk averse simply get arrested and go about their business in all but the most dire of situations, e.g. police serve a night time warrant on the wrong house and get blasted after failing to knock and announce.  [when you're pulling the trigger, do you know the search is illegal?].  You're arguing the exception not the rule... 

The long dick of the state protrudes farther than the expressly stated length of its power...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:47 | 2052485 DosZap
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Cheesy but some examples. Covers Home also.

***Disclaimer*** Check with the ACLU for exactly what the rights are in your state,they vary),ONE thing I have found them good for.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:51 | 2050317 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Check the case law in THEORY v REALITY.  ;)

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:19 | 2050161 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Do tese cops not realize that they are serving the darkside of the force? I doubt it most of'em I've ever met are lucky to get their shoes on the right foot.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:55 | 2050577 Think for yourself
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Who cares about courts when we know the courts are just as bankrupt as the rest of the system? The only court that matter is that of the Soul. Do what you feel and know is right and you shall go in peace.
Self-defense is not violence, it is protecting your integrity. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:38 | 2050736 Beard of Zeus
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Who says he'll be in court?

Find out the locations and contact details of the globalist mercenaries and imperial troops (and their families), and pick them off one by one.

Be clean, careful, and swift.

Hit-and-run guerrilla tactics.

The imperial mercenaries must come to understand that there is a price to be paid for oppressing the American people. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:47 | 2050778 138
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Or when you're sprayed, tazed or pumped full of 40 cal...

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