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Guest Post: NDAA Protests End In Ironic Swarm Of Arrests

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

NDAA Protests End In Ironic Swarm Of Arrests

The absurdity of America today never ceases to amaze.  In fact, it has become so elaborate that one might even suggest it has reached a kind of poetic symmetry.  When a protest group is willing to stick their necks out to expose the horror of the National Defense Authorization Act and its open door strategy for unconstitutional arrest and indefinite detainment of American citizens, I have to stand up and applaud.  This is the kind of protest we need to see all over the country.  Of course, any establishment system which is willing to dissolve the inherent liberties of its citizens certainly isn't going to stand by quietly while they blatantly point out the injustice.  The Grand Central Terminal action featured in the video below is a perfect example of the swift and immediate stifling of peaceful dissent by an increasingly totalitarian government:

Responses to the event vary.  Most people who have actually been exposed to the facts on the NDAA have expressed utter disgust and fury.  Rightly so.  Some, however, have taken the old elitist mantra, perpetuated effectively by the Neo-Cons in their heyday, that if you are not for the system, then you are a danger to society.  Not surprisingly, there are still plenty of useful idiots out there buzzing about like parasites in search of blood.

For those who would applaud these arrests, and suggest that they are well deserved, I would have to ask very pointedly; why?

Is it right to crush free speech as long as the message is offensive to you personally?  Do peaceful protestors really present a legitimate threat to our national stability?  Are they truly more dangerous than a corrupt government hellbent on assassinating the legal protections of our natural rights which have existed for centuries?  Would any supporter of the jackboot methodology like to explain to me in a coherent manner why they believe their skewed world view should be shielded from sincere questions?  Please, I can't wait to witness the kind of ridiculous mental gymnastics required to make such arguments palatable.  If this kind of ignorance wasn't so destructive, it might actually be entertaining.

The bottom line is, it doesn't matter if these activists were in Grand Central Terminal, on the streets, or busting through the doors of the Oval Office.  While New York authorities will attempt to argue property loopholes in free speech protections for Grand Central, or national security because of the vulnerability of the terminal, really, this has nothing to do with either.  This is about the removal of American voices from a room, and nothing more.   If the message is going to be suppressed by the mainstream media, and shrugged off by representatives, then protesters must go to where the people are, and make the truth heard by whatever means necessary.

Ultimately, activism is about disturbing people's normal mundane routines and shocking them out of their pop-culture stupor, even if for a moment.  If we aren't allowed to do that without constant police intervention, then the First Amendment is not being served, and then, my friends, we have a problem, a problem which should be forced down the throat of government with even more public action.


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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:14 | 2050761 Braindonor1
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We are all conditioned to passivity when confronted with the excesses of authority. We are taught to think that "It is wrong to resist the police (because they are always right)." This mantra of resistance being wrong is ground into us as part of our earliest experiences and is continued throughout our lives.

It is time to eradicate this thinking from our consciousness and embrace the fact that self defense is not a crime - regardless of what the establishment will say.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:58 | 2050046 LawsofPhysics
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It has been a bust for quite a while, same as it ever was.  Know your neighbors?  Got physical?  Doing your own research and speaking the truth? You better.  Boring world indeed, enjoy the decline folks.  No other options so long as leadship in both the private and public sectors continues to avoid the rule of law.  So long as these fucks are not held accountable, nothing changes.  Same as it ever was.  Gold and gun confiscation is the next order of the day, just wait.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:23 | 2050182 MassDecep
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"Gold and gun confiscation is the next order of the day, just wait."

I hate to say it, but you are probably right. There will be a lot of blood.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:27 | 2050988 Silver Dreamer
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This is not 1933. Another such order regarding gold and/or silver will certainly result in a lot of blood shed.  This is not the UK or Australia either, and people will not line up to turn in their firearms.  Everyone knows what a direct attack against 2A will cause.  The real question is: Knowing that previous fact, how else will they end 2A?  It's a question that often keeps me up at night.  Thoughts?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:55 | 2051135 Strelok
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Intentionally engineering civil war and supply line disruptions.  Then people will turn on eachother.  Eventually they'll come in to save the day with food, power, medicine, in return for your guns and servitude.  In the process, they'll achieve depopulation, especially of those with the tendacies to fight.  Most that are left surviving will be clamouring for an end to it all.  Problem, reaction, solution.  That's the only way I can see them effectively attacking the 2nd amendment.

So with that in mind, it is extremely important to resist civil war, support your neighbors, and have supplies that lend themselves to self-sufficiency.  Remember who the real enemies are:  the evil bastards who warp society and engineer this type of madness.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:13 | 2050123 Boston
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there will be no change until the bulk of the population skips 9 meals

More like 3 meals.  

Seriously, if everyone around me missed breakfast, lunch and dinner, I'd be putting my household on high alert. The house would never be left unattended; nobody would leave the house unarmed; and most excursions would be eliminated.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:26 | 2050196 Missiondweller
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I think the saying is that we are 9 meals (3 days) from anarchy at anytime.


Just think of how long it takes to clean out a grocery store when a hurricane is coming. Most people have less than a few days of food in the house at any one time.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:13 | 2050410 Calmyourself
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I will say it again, hunger and only hunger changes this.  If the ptb can keep the DWS bellies full we are in for a looonng dark night..

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:33 | 2050486 Randall Cabot
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Hurricane??? All it takes around here in Philly is a forecast of an inch or two of snow!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:29 | 2050207 Oquities
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Fasting is actually good for you.  2 times a month, i sup monday night, skip all meals on tuesday, then resume with breakfast on wednesday. it will teach you self-control, remind you of your proximity to starvation, and make you appreciate your food more.  humanity did not eat regulalrly, as we do today, throughout most of history.  privation is a learning experience.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:39 | 2050264 prains
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Wait until you're married 20 years,then you'll know privation

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:50 | 2050303 Boston
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Exactly. Lots of medical research suggests that fasting is also good for preventing disease.

The human condition (up until the last 50 years or so) was such that it was normal to "starve" between irregular feedings. So the human body, through evolution, was optimized for a feast & famine cycle.

In today's environment (especially in the US), humans are strapped to virtual feed-bags, not only rarely missing meals, but also consuming far too many calories.

The problem, of course, is that virutally nobody has the will power to voluntarily impose fasting on themselves, the way nature did it--involuntarily, throughout most of human history. 


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:00 | 2050357 pods
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It is called "toxic hunger" and is not real hunger. It is your body detoxifying from the crap that is peddled as food nowadays.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:11 | 2050402 trav7777
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we eat oil now

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:15 | 2050424 thedrickster
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Between Corexit and triple digit spot, I taste trouble.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:56 | 2052285 Cathartes Aura
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. . . and the derivatives soon, if Dow has any say. . .

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:11 | 2050399 Don Birnam
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Three meals ?

It will not even take the withdrawal of a single bag of Cheetos -- simply one entire programming day of a test pattern on the 3-D 50-inch, and there will be outright rebellion.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:58 | 2051166 Strelok
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I laughed at this, then it sunk in, and I cried.  ROFC (Rolling on floor crying).

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:58 | 2050048 X. Kurt OSis
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Obombs-away is the bloodiest most tyrannical nobel peace prize winner in history, hands down.  Democrats (and a handful of Swiss) everywhere should be crying having been so deceived. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:07 | 2050077 Cast Iron Skillet
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Swiss? do you mean maybe Swedish?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:10 | 2050102 X. Kurt OSis
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Right.  Typo.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:34 | 2050493 Rudolf Havenstein
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Swedish? Do you mean maybe Norwegian?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:04 | 2050610 DaveyJones
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It's kinda both. He being swedish and all.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:03 | 2050364 superbroker1
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I woke up this morning with a strange, but realistic thought -The Dollar losing reserve status due to the Iran situation and UST become bidless.

What if martial law hits before elections? Whos to say votes are even being counted correctly anyways?  I hate being a doom n gloomer, but I gotta go with my gut. God I hope im wrong!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:36 | 2050498 Randall Cabot
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Those Diebold electronic voting machines are very reliable.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:11 | 2051215 Strelok
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My unquestionable faith resides in Diebold's reliability. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:11 | 2050391 Taint Boil
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Every day I say it can’t get any worst or lower, then the next day comes along and I sit there with my lower jaw hanging on the floor as I read the next headline of the day on Zero Hedge [bonus hot chick]. I just can’t watch any more, I am lost for words. But when I lose it watch out.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:10 | 2051922 TheFourthStooge-ing
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When Taint Boil pops, someone's going to be hurting.  ;)


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:09 | 2050629 Snidley Whipsnae
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"In 2010, the police gave close to 300,000 "Class C misdemeanour" tickets to children as young as six in Texas for offences in and out of school, which result in fines, community service and even prison time. What was once handled with a telling-off by the teacher or a call to parents can now result in arrest and a record that may cost a young person a place in college or a job years later.

"We've taken childhood behaviour and made it criminal," said Kady Simpkins, a lawyer who represented Sarah Bustamantes. "They're kids. Disruption of class? Every time I look at this law I think: good lord, I never would have made it in school in the US. I grew up in Australia and it's just rowdy there. I don't know how these kids do it, how they go to school every day without breaking these laws."

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:20 | 2050677 Chupacabra-322
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This bill (National Defense Authorization Act) is a declaration of war against the people of America by their own government. All U.S citizens will immediately have the right to take up arms to reclaim their country if this law passes. None will be terrorists. All will be freedom fighters, fighting for a just society against an odious government, legal and financial system. If this law passes, America will no longer be a country governed by the rule of law, as it undermines the very basis of law itself, as a structure for maintaining civilization. When law is usurped for the purpose of tyranny, all bets are off.

The rule of law will die in America, if this law passes as it is. Full scale civil war, will only be a matter of time. Abduction, torture and murder is the cursed trinity at the heart of all odious systems of government. The passing of this bill will qualify the American government as a fully odious regime, with no remaining basis in morality. All of humanity and every American citizen, will be fully justified in opposing the U.S government and it’s enforcers, to bring about it’s downfall.

Every senator who votes this into law, is in reality committing the crime of treason against the nation and citizens of America and a heinous crime against all humanity, for which they can and should be tried and sentenced to life-imprisonment or death. Because together with torture and murder, this law puts in place the final element of the legal framework for the genocide of American citizens. “Legalized” Abduction, torture and murder, means that Satanic government is here. Therefore genocide is not far behind. No human being is obliged to obey the laws, of any odious regime.

WITH THE PASSING OF THIS LAW THE U.S GOVERNMENT HEREBY FORFEITS ALL AUTHORITY OVER THE CITIZENS AND STATES OF AMERICA. The passing of this law, will be looked back on as the day when the citizens and states of America became legally and morally free to fully oppose and ignore the authority of the government of the United States of America. Unless the ability to abduct American citizens is removed from this bill, the day that this bill is signed into law, will be the day when the rule of law ends in the United States.

Obama, you have been warned. When genuine (as opposed to odious) government is restored you will be tried in a court of law, along with the Senators who supported it, if this bill is allowed to pass, as it is. For it -along with the laws put in place by recent U.S governments – is treasonous and genocidal. Therefore, for all law makers who have supported abduction, torture and murder (thus creating the conditions for genocide) the day is not far away, when the sentence for your actions, will be life imprisonment or death.

You will not escape the restoration and elevation, of the legal basis of society, that is coming. In fact, your convictions and sentencing, will be the much needed proof, that civilization is restored. So don’t fool yourself that you will be walking away. The same applies to the previous administrations also. All odious rulers, Obama, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Clintons and satanic politicians and bankers everywhere – your day in court is coming. You think you are protected by your corruption of the law, when in fact you are creating the conditions for it’s improvement that will leave you with no defense for your actions.

All odious politicians, bankers, bureaucrats, agents and executives will be sentenced and punished accordingly, when the time comes. You have been warned. Do not push the world over the edge.
Do not destroy the integrity & authority of the rule of law, if you want any chance of a reprieve.
The conditions of the French revolution are being re-created. You know what happened there !



Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:23 | 2050945 earleflorida
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it just keeps going, and going, and going,... in the wrong direction for freedom 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:43 | 2049978 ag3nt0rang3
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Can I haz lotz of DEAD COPS?!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:01 | 2050055 licutis
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I am fearful that if the cops keep up this type of activity that this is the inevitable outcome. When we start seeing self immolations in NYC, armed attacks on the security forces are next. Is that what it will take to shock the public awake on this?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:57 | 2050309 licutis
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That was a depressing read. I told my wife about it and she said tyrannical women have taken over the world and it even scares her.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:03 | 2052315 Cathartes Aura
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ahh, yes indeed Rush L. - all of THIS is the result of "tyrannical women" worldwide. . .

(lol, "my wife.")

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:21 | 2050169 pods
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Well it wasn't NYC (and wasn't covered in the CMSM), but people have hit their breaking points:

And also Joseph Stack took it a step further:,2933,586581,00.html

Stack was, of course, portrayed as a nutjob, but his final missive could have easily been a ZH Guest Post.



Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:05 | 2050614 Haywood Jablowme
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Don't forget the man who tried crashing his plane into an IRS building.  Definitely a man who realized this Matrix fantasy-land yet of course MSM discounted him as some crazed, lunatic....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:44 | 2049981 itchy166
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Welcome to the USSA.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:44 | 2049982 thedrickster
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This is NOT going to end well.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:45 | 2049984 SheepDog-One
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Well yes, people telling the terrible truth about whats REALLY going on behind the carefully constructed papier mache' facade might wake up a few sheeple! Cant have THAT!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:45 | 2049987 Ex-Pat
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Love it or leave it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:46 | 2049991 thedrickster
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The next time someone says that to me I am going to kick them in teeth. Male, female, old, young, short, tall...well I may need a step ladder for tall but nonetheless.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:12 | 2050121 margaris
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Hate it and stay!

People need to get more angry, and they will!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:27 | 2050198 hedgeless_horseman
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Live free or die.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:44 | 2050527 peekcrackers
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eat beavers and save trees!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:53 | 2050327 XitSam
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So to summarize, the next time someone uses their free speech in a non-violent way with an opinion you disagree with, you are going to assault them.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:15 | 2050426 thedrickster
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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:07 | 2050861 Calmyourself
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Your god given right is "free speech" not cost less speech, you have free speech sure, but say it in my yard or spit in my face while using it and see what happens.. 

Free speech people not consequence free speech..

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:47 | 2050780 Beard of Zeus
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Since his handle is "Ex-Pat", I'm guessing he hates it and left.

Which is more than the complainers and whiners are doing.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:47 | 2049996 SheepDog-One
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Problem is, theres few if any places to 'leave it' to now. What are you going to do move to Bora Bora?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:15 | 2050142 cossack55
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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:22 | 2050179 SheepDog-One
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Can you even move to Iceland? I dont know!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:00 | 2050259 francis_sawyer
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Depends on where you're starting from... If you're starting from HAWAII, I can get you as far as Los Angeles... Then, you're on your own...,+HI&daddr=Los+Angeles,+CA&hl=en&ll=34.885931,-138.164062&spn=43.727648,101.25&sll=21.207459,-142.998047&sspn=49.037102,101.25&geocode=FUAeRQEd40WX9ilNRsOMOxgAfDFsl6fzX_UoSw%3BFYqYBwIdm77z-CkT2ifcXcfCgDH0CEYlb98v4g&oq=honolulu&vpsrc=0&mra=ls&t=m&z=4

Don't forget that crucial STEP #13 (as it will be crucial towards your eventual passage to Iceland)...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:02 | 2050599 uno
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kayak across the pacific - thanks

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:21 | 2050171 IAmNotMark
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Bora Bora doesn't want you.

Neither does Fiji, or Palau. 

American?  Most countries would prefer that you stay home and not destroy their country like we have ours.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:03 | 2050605 uno
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not destroy their country like we have ours.

 I think it should say planet not country

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:56 | 2050036 Red Herring
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Why are these two choices mutually exclusive? Why can't I love it AND leave it? Since the relationship has turned so dysfunctional, sounds like a reasonable choice.

Turning it around, what will the advice be for North Koreans, or any other evil country that is the direct opposite of the beacon of liberty? Hate it or stay?


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:09 | 2050090 Cast Iron Skillet
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I loved my first wife, but had to leave her. Sometimes it's like that.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:18 | 2050138 margaris
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so you see it as that kind of relationship you have with your government?

wait.... you HAVE that kind of relationship.

Government fucks you day and night.

"does the government work for us, or do we work for the government"

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:48 | 2050547 moondog
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Wow! They're allowing the Judge to bare the truth of the BS Left|Right circus. Most of the public can't think critically, so this will surely confuse many. They will contemplate it for a few seconds, then go back to their old thought patterns. The sheep have been conditioned well. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:18 | 2050500 JOYFUL
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Well put.

I don't know what's spookier at this point....the cascade of stories like this one which show in stark fashion the erosion of basic civil liberties in Amerika, or the cacophony of shrill voices that come out every time somebody like Doug Casey makes a reasoned case for getting out in time. 

Fight to the death, come n get me, I'll give em my lead when they come for my gold....blab blab bla.....ummm, exactly when is the resistance supposed to start, internet tough guys?!? After all yur girlie\men neighbors bin hauled off to Camp Fema and it's you and your arsenal against the rest of the world? You are all isolated in your internet bubbles of resistance and easy pickings for TPTB.

Although I still fear for the day when my former compatriots and fellow melatoninally-challenged rootstock brethern are no longer even at liberty to leave prison Eurmerika, I increasingly have come to accept that very very few of us will be out there, conducting our 'bandit' resistance from the fringes of the Empire, and that maybe our efforts will be token in the grand course of things.  But we will have died in a common cause, as warriors in the manner of our own choosing, instead of going singlely to the slaughter like braying donkeys or bleating sheep. 

America...leave it cause you love it, fight to restore it, live to return to it. Be wary of those who would sacrifice you for nothing more than their own false bravado.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:58 | 2050049 The Third Man
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I'm not sure that others here quite understand the significance of what you said. I guess they haven't had their coffee yet.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:00 | 2050054 fuu
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Why not fix it?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:07 | 2050081 infinity8
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You CAN be sure that we understand him, Turd Man.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:33 | 2050232 Whoa Dammit
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The Third Man is referencing the poster's name, EX-PAT, which many have overlooked. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:57 | 2050582 thedrickster
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Oh I took Ex-Pat's post as being tongue in cheek but have had the disfortune of being told the same, all kidding aside.

My rhetorical boot was aimed at the criminally ignorant slob that would hurl such drivel in my direction.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:08 | 2050084 VelvetHog
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AT this time I'd like to invite you to eat the peanuts out of my shit!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:08 | 2050088 Frank N. Beans
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Live Free or Die Hard.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:30 | 2050202 MassDecep
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All I have to do is pay someone $10,000 to get me over that big wall they built between US and Mexico.....

Ohh, it's not built? Ok, the $10,000 would be for payoffs once in Mexico.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:37 | 2050252 GeneMarchbanks
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Wow. You just took the temperature big time. We're not even close, this a comfortable 72F.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:53 | 2051129 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ex-Pat, resorting to phony patriotic jingoism to express the fear, loathing, and hatred of freedom that is prevalent in so many of America's "patriots", bleated:

Love it or leave it.

Here's one that's even better, Ex-Pat, and because it will fit on a bumper sticker, you might even understand it (although it does have one of those difficult four-syllable words):

America - Fix It or Fuck It


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:45 | 2049988 Conrad Murray
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How long until politicians and bankers are found murdered in their homes and offices. How long until crowds of unemployed individuals burn down same homes and offices with the traitors inside?

The NDAA and SOPA are the last straws. If you are not ready to die, it's time to leave. Barack O'Romney 2012, slaves.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:48 | 2050000 SheepDog-One
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It is time now. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:53 | 2050019 Rip van Wrinkle
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Been thinking that for some time. Someone, somewhere is gonna take the law into their own hands.


And it's exactly what people are being provoked to do.



Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:09 | 2050094 kridkrid
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And it's exactly what people are being provoked to do.

And that's the rub, I suppose.  Only this time, instead of it just being Fox News carrying water vs. the OWS movement, it will be all corporate media.  90% of Americans will be firmly on the side of the police state.  This is what will happen, sadly.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:24 | 2050462 thedrickster
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And that friends is "how".

While watching the History Channel one late night you find yourself quietly asking "how could that happen?", remember that the answer lies right in front of you with OWS.

Divide and conqeuor has been the name of the game for millenia, pax americana and normalcy bias be damned, history will repeat itself bitches. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:12 | 2050114 licutis
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Being provoked so their actions can be used to justify even further tyranny. this will not end well.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:10 | 2051209 Silver Dreamer
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I've always hated that phrase "take the law into your own hands."  Since when has defending the law been exclusively the right of the government?  America is in the situation it is exactly because the government has made a mockery of the law, and We the People have not been defending it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:17 | 2050153 willien1derland
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Conrad, I am afraid your assessment, terrifying as it is, will shortly come to pass - The hypocrisy is staggering...More Americans on SNAP programs & such juxtaposed versus Jon Corzine purchasing a Castle in Europe & shopping for office space at 40 Wall Street - The US Legislative branch absolute inability/unwillingness to agree on spending cuts on philosophical principles as the debt ceiling is increased again just 6 months after the legislation was passed BUT NDAA which compromises the Bill of Rights can be passed without issue - unfortunately Washington DC fiddles while American burns...ultimately, when the flames reach DC they will cry out for Justice...and Justice they will receive...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:29 | 2050211 Blank Reg
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Watch it pal, you sound like a potential terrorist! You could hear a knock on your door in the middle of the night.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:59 | 2050352 XitSam
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OMG! Blank Reg! Is Big Time TV still on the air?  I was just watching Edison last night.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:59 | 2050806 Blank Reg
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Big Time Television. From sunrise to sunset, filling your empty lives with mindless drek!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:47 | 2049999 j0nx
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As long as people as a whole are more interested in football than what's happening around them then these kinds of things will continue to happen and will only get worse. Americans really just don't give a shit about anything other than sports, beer and reality tv - as a general rule anyway.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:50 | 2050008 SheepDog-One
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I know a couple guys at work who have absolutely no idea whats ACTUALLY happening all around them, but they can give you any stat from any game or player thruout the season.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:04 | 2050062 Max Hunter
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I know dozens of people like that.. Yes.. dozens..

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:36 | 2050246 pods
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The scariest thing is just how much excitement they all have.  You can see it in their conversations.  

Willful ignorance on a grand scale.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:08 | 2050384 uno
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I told someone last week that it was true the CIA imported crack cocaine into the US in the '80 to fund it's ventures, from the reaction I got I would have been better off saying I was gang banged by aliens. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:27 | 2050471 pods
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Careful, you may become distraught and shoot yourself, with a revolver, twice.  Just like Gary Webb.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:07 | 2050078 john39
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same in my office... and all the women know all the intimate details of fictional characters on bullshit useless TV shows.   for many, this is going to be quite a painful transition.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:33 | 2050602 Randall Cabot
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You remind me of 911, went to the cafeteria at work for a coffee minutes after it broke and they already had a TV set up with a packed house watching. It was really no big surprise to me but as I looked around all the women were distraught and crying and some of the men were trembling. Morons!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:19 | 2050162 Dr. Gonzo
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I know more than a couple and I know grown men who play video games all night long. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:58 | 2050348 Hansel
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Are you talking about the 101st Joystick Division bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan from the comfort of a shipping container, or the day traders swapping bits on 'Wall St'?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:58 | 2050045 snowbaall
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Americans now live in a police state.

Who'd of ever thought that Alex Jones would be right?

Nevertheless, America honeys still have big tits.

Perhaps Dr. Paul can set things straight.

We can only pray.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:03 | 2050058 Conrad Murray
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It only takes a small group of people, even a single individual, to ignite the fire under the average Joe's ass. Something as simple as dressing up like one of the local gang bangers and burning down a bank, leaving a note(or a banner strung from the power lines outside) that says, "Unemployed and FED up".

Enough people do that and the media can't ignore it. Hell, put it on youtube or liveleak and it will go viral. That would get more of the people on the sidelines just waiting for the right moment to say, "I too have had enough", and act.

Mohamed Bouazizi, never forget.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:13 | 2050626 JOYFUL
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Kudos for mentioning the illustrious fruit peddler Mohammed Bouazizi, but I fear you are confusing cause with effect in invoking his memory here alongside the suggestion of effective resistance strategies for Amerikans.

His was the act of a man denied the simple dignity of being able to earn his daily bread in peace and security by the petty terrorists of the State. In these supposed backwards countries like Tunisia, the ability for and necessity of this daily toil in the marketplace is much greater than in USSA, where the State has largely supplanted private industry on the part of it's citizens serfs direct livelihoods.

Very soon well over half of the populace there will be directly dependent upon BIG SIS for their daily sustenance - a circumstance which erodes the capacity for individual acts of desperate defiance such as  Bouazizi's, and also reduces the solidarity of the populace with each other, and thus their capacity for common cause.

Amerika is in an advanced state of terminal decay, in which all opposition feeds the SYSTEM, which seeks, and soon will find total control over the lives and fates of its' citizen serfs. I would sincerely love to be wrong about this, but until proof is furnished otherwise, controlled opposition exercise like OWS etc. etc. are merely more evidence that all authentic resistance has already been crushed, save for pockets of libertarian-minded bandit elements.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:50 | 2050007 blabam
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Unjust laws attract unjust enforcers....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:51 | 2050013 SheepDog-One
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Retards who couldnt get a nite stocking job at Walmart are handed TSA badges and a baton. USSA.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:54 | 2050023 achmachat
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did you know that you officially (and no secrets about it) don't qualify for these jobs if your IQ score is too high?

they say things like you won't be challenged enough etc. etc.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:56 | 2050039 kridkrid
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Wall Street screened FOR psychopaths and the enforcement thugs are screened for...well... thugishness.  Nice racket.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:25 | 2050191 s2man
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Seriously, the last I heard there was only an IQ limit for police officers.  Too smart, and you'll get bored sitting in that squad car. Gotta go for detective if you can think.

NIce to know Wally world has their employees' mental health at heart.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:34 | 2050618 Randall Cabot
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105 is average cop IQ I read somewhere.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:55 | 2050028 kridkrid
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And there is nowhere else for them to go.  People who think that the rank and file police officer is eventually going to put down his gun in support of their fellow citizen is delusional, IMO.  The economy isn't going to get better, there aren't going to be other jobs for the average meathead police officer to take.  He will do what he is told and figure out ways to rationalize it along the way.  

This video scares me, quite sincerely.  It chills me.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:55 | 2051630 smiler03
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I'm with you kridkrid. I fear for the US.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:51 | 2050010 556nato
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Arm yourselves people.  When you have bigger guns than the police they have no choice but to listen.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:56 | 2050029 Big Corked Boots
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If you are unarmed, they have clubs and spray.

If you have a club or knife, they have a handgun.

If you have a handgun, they have automatic weapons.

If you have auto weapons, they have armored vehicles.

If you have armor, they have laser guided bombs.

If you have laser guided bombs, they have missiles.

If you have missiles, they have nukes.

If you have nukes, everyone loses.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:55 | 2050337 In Fed We Trust
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If you have God

You win every single time. Regardless of who has what?

Fire bombs are an easy way for all to partake.

Bicycles make for easy exiting the scene.

Im still looking for machine gun mount for my ride.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:58 | 2050047 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Yes, but you are going to have to go bigger than 5.56.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:15 | 2050141 556nato
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Why?  5.56 would zip right through soft armor.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:43 | 2050281 pods
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Warning:  You are about to enter the age old 5.56 vs 7.62 argument!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:44 | 2050531 mccoyspace
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Well it's still new for some people. I have no idea what that argument is about.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:53 | 2051623 smiler03
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I have no idea either and frankly I don't give a damn.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:42 | 2051974 Money 4 Nothing
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7.62 is waaay more leathal than a 5.56 round, "Dragon skin" one of the best bullet resistant vests on the market will stop a 5.56, but not a 7.62.. jus sayin.

I have seen personally, 7.62 non NATO round penetrate and clear 4 cars side by side and keep traveling.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:41 | 2052680 DosZap
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Money 4 Nothing

7.62 is waaay more leathal than a 5.56 round, "Dragon skin" one of the best bullet resistant vests on the market will stop a 5.56, but not a 7.62.. jus sayin

Son, you are clueless,you need to do some more homework, what's available to civies, and them,is a whole nuther story.

And because I am a decent guy, I will not comment on the rounds.You never know who reads ZH.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:07 | 2052543 DosZap
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Uh-Huh, and what about the real stuff?.

Better off using it as a club.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:51 | 2050011 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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99% of ALL Americans are clearly TERRORISTS !

The only problem we have, is that Guantanamo is NOT BIT ENOUGH TO HOLD THEM ALL.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:53 | 2050018 blabam
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LOL FEMA camps? 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:26 | 2050194 Coast Watcher
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We're already in the camp -- it's just so big we can't recognize it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:10 | 2050086 Hansel
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Speaking of Guantanamo, this is from the White House press conference yesterday:

Q    One other topic.  Wednesday is apparently the 10th anniversary of the prison in Guantanamo Bay, and I’m wondering what the White House says now to critics who point to this as a pretty clear broken promise.  The President had wanted to close that within a year.  That hasn’t happened for a lot of the history that you know of.  And now it’s like there's really no end in sight.  How do you respond to the criticism that this is just a big, broken promise?

MR. CARNEY:  Well, the commitment that the President has to closing Guantanamo Bay is as firm today as it was during the campaign.  We all are aware of the obstacles to getting that done as quickly as the President wanted to get it done, what they were and the fact that they continued to persist.  But the President's commitment hasn't changed at all.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:22 | 2050168 willien1derland
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Great post Hansel...perhaps if Solyndra was still a solvent going concern (next time instead of loan gtds they should have asked for a Bank Holding Company license & Primary Dealer status) they could have provided 'Green' power to the facility...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:56 | 2052505 DosZap
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Just like in campaign mode?.

PATRIOT ACT WAS going away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............THEN HE RE-SIGNED IT.

Face it,Bald faced liar.......period.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:12 | 2050115 Cast Iron Skillet
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maybe we need to start bidding on the rest of Cuba ...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:13 | 2050124 Money 4 Nothing
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Bingo! Then you get your door kicked in for believing in the Constitution of US. Bill of Right's be damned = Bannana Republic is here. From Missouri to the State Houses.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:51 | 2050012 jjsilver
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The Government is acting outside their authority and is committing treason. They can pass all the laws they want, but when they act outside their authority given to them by the people, they are simply null and void and have no effect whatsoever.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:46 | 2050543 Hephasteus
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They derive their power from the consent of the governed. And that consent is forcefully extracted. Plain and simple. If they think they can get away with it they'll do it.  And they don't like hurting people. They do like lying to them. They just want you to somehow magically prefer to be lied to than bullied.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:52 | 2050014 rqb1
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Maybe someone can buy a whole lot of silver, bust comex and use some of that money to run tv spots on the facts of this NCAA durning the playoffs

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:53 | 2050015 outamyeffinway
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If you applaud these arrests, it's too late for you. You are sheepified.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:53 | 2050016 Hayabusa
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Look the only candidate that is outraged by this sort of thing is Ron Paul and most of the sheeple are asleep at the wheel or consumed by Dancing with the Stars and reality TV in general.  The writing is on the wall for anyone who is paying attention and the kleptocracy we call our government is morphing into an autocracy in successive approximations - by the time the majority figures it out and becomes outraged, it will be too little, too late.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:14 | 2050132 WonderDawg
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Yep, they turn the screw slowly and you barely notice the increase in pressure as you get used to the pain over time.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:53 | 2050017 RabidAngel
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I rarely if ever post to ZH but this is a great write-up that articulates the disgust that every single American should have over the NDAA. It's the most worthwhile cause for protest that anyone could ask for. The blatant power grab by the Govt. should not be allowed to stand.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:53 | 2050020 ThisIsBob
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I  am troubled  by the ever growing assault on the dignity and civil liberties of the citizenry.  No one seems to be able to stop it, or even slow it down.  It  might take  guillotines - do we have any?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:01 | 2050059 Red Herring
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Nope. Guillotines were outlawed in the 80's by the OSH act as it presented serious risks to health and safety.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:54 | 2050024 Eugend66
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The cops not the military will be the beast to fight when the shit and the fan are close

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:10 | 2051210 TheFourthStooge-ing
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That's why the military is being kept overseas and slowly bled by needless multiple wars. If they weren't kept off of the North American continent, they might start defending the Constitution against the occupational government in Vichy, D.C.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:54 | 2050025 PaperBear
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Protesters = petitioners of their government.
We have to use words properly otherwise we will never have government obeying the will of the people.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:08 | 2050089 iamoneman
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Government obeying the will of the people... I wish this was not a pipe dream. (Bailout vote anyone) ...

This won't happen until we start electing public servants, instead of so called "Leaders"! We are the leaders!!!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:55 | 2050027 K_I_T_T_Y
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Nice picture, was it taken in Syria?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:56 | 2050033 PaperBear
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There will not be any evidence presented to anyone to substantiate the suspicion so people are supposed to trust that only legitimate terrorism suspects will be SECRETLY indefinitely detained and that the definition of terrorism will not be expanded to include such things as petitioning government (aka protesting) all the while the corporate lobbyists will continue their activity unmolested.

I am sure that a lot of the barons and other nobles were trusting in fair treatment in c1200AD from King John but the fact that those that he persecuted had not done anything wrong didn’t matter, he was the King. It was King John’s abuses that brought about the imposition on the monarchy of the Magna Carta. The purpose of the Magna Carta was to protect everone’s rights from being abused by any government.

I really do not know how people have gotten so utterly stupid and/or ignorant.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:04 | 2050066 Mitzibitzi
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The purpose of the Magna Carta was to limit the abuse of landowners by the king, not to protect the peasant in any way. There were about 3600 landowners in Britain at the time, IIRC. And a hair over two million peasants....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:07 | 2050075 Mitzibitzi
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Come to think of it, the ratio of 'elite' to peon is still about the same. Guess some things never change.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:35 | 2050242 tekhneek
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We outnumber them 1,000,000 to 1.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:54 | 2050331 DogSlime
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Yes, but probably 200,000,000 (maybe more) are still asleep, or just stupid.

Ever heard:  "It doesn't affect me - I have nothing to hide.  I haven't done anything, so why should I worry"... ?

I've discussed the erosion of rights and increasing power of the state here in the UK for years - but most people I discuss it with don't think it's a big deal.

"If it keeps my children safe, then it's no bad thing."

I gave up in the end.

Terrible times ahead, it seems.

At least a nuclear war is straightforward - better than this bullshit.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:25 | 2050948 Boxed Merlot
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The purpose of the Magna Carta was to limit the abuse of landowners by the king...


But it was a start. The US Constitution owes a lot to this watershed event.

Unfortunately, this latest law is reversing the limiting nature of the positions of authority the people of the US temporarily entrust to civil servants requesting the privilege to serve.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:38 | 2051340 Strelok
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I really do not know how people have gotten so utterly stupid and/or ignorant.

Public schools raise children instead of their parents.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:57 | 2050037 vegas
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I said it a couple of days ago; Trading In A Police State.

Welcome to Amerika - The new, kinder, gentler, thugocarcy where Soetero promises never to use his new powers to detain indefinitely Amerikan citizens without due process. Psst ! Hey you! Wanna buy some land in Florida?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:56 | 2050038 roadhazard
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The Jack Boots cometh.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:57 | 2050042 OutLookingIn
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A dozen or so comments on this most important issue of the new century?

This is how much attention the general public is paying attention.

What attention? The 'attention span' of the average citizen, when contemplating their loss of freedoms, comes close to that of a gnat! A mediocre response at best.  

This is exactly what the elite's want - move along nothing to see here.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:57 | 2050043 Spastica Rex
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I like those Occupy kids - at least they're trying. I sit at home and read Seneca the Younger and wait for the end. Screw me.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:24 | 2050189 kridkrid
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Yup.  Screw me, too.

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