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Guest Post: New Jersey Will Pay You $1000 To Destroy The 2nd Amendment
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt Market
New Jersey Will Pay You $1000 To Destroy The 2nd Amendment
There is nothing more disgusting or detestable than a citizen informant. Without citizen informants, tyrants could never retain the kind of power they wield. In fact, without citizen informants, totalitarian movements would never gain traction. This is why EVERY functional oligarchy throughout history has implemented programs designed to encourage the development of common spies, using the promise of monetary reward, or collective recognition.
Sadly, there are many in our society that would gladly sell out their closest friends and family to the tortures of authoritarian bureaucracy for nothing more than a firm pat on the head and a few fiat dollars. If there was ever a more degraded lot of bottom feeding opportunist scum, the citizen informant is the very epitome.
With the implementation of the “See Something, Say Something” program, and the increasing drive by the White House to institute community watch efforts to route out “extremists”, showcased quite clearly in strategic outlines like the ‘Empowering Local Partners To Prevent Violent Extremism In The United States’:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/empowering_local_partners.pdf
The issue of informant networking has come to the forefront in America. My personal view is that these nauseating and diseased people should be treated as treasonous as any globalist, regardless of stated intention. That said, in an environment rife with extraneous poverty, informancy cannot be avoided. Plenty of men and women, stricken with empty wallets and bellies, are extraordinarily prone to betrayal, regardless of their inherent morality. This is the kind of world we will soon be living in, and this is the kind of environment that corrupt officials like those in New Jersey are prone to exploit. Pathetic, weak, cowardly, but ultimately dangerous sheep unknowingly serving the very men who would seek to enslave them.
In terms of 2nd Amendment rights, I find the very idea of debate rather pointless. The logic is undeniable. If you cannot defend yourself, you are a victim. Period. You become food for predators and parasites. Any state government or national government which actively seeks to disarm its citizens is suspect. I couldn’t care less about their stated rationalizations or rhetoric. In New Jersey, in Chicago, in Washington D.C., or anywhere else for that matter, an innocent man who is disarmed by law will always be victimized by an outlaw who armed through criminality. The concept of reduced crime through gun confiscation is so naïve it warrants considerable analysis. Through such efforts, good men are left defenseless, while evil men are free to wreak havoc.
The 2nd Amendment is not a negotiable or debatable pillar of the Constitution. It is absolute in its protection. Every American, regardless of the temporary circumstances of the times, is free to arm and defend himself from ANY enemy, from average criminals, to government thugs. The gun confiscation program featured in the video below, and instituted by officials in New Jersey, should not be taken lightly. The pure idiocy inherent in its premise cannot be ignored. New Jersey’s willingness to pay off potential informants could very well be a petri dish test for much more expansive programs across the country in the future. If we cannot stop the corruption and anti-constitutionalism of a pathetic state like New Jersey, then how can we expect to disrupt the same brand of corruption throughout the U.S.?
Guns are simply not the issue. An armed and educated populace is a populace safe from crime. This is a fact. New Jersey’s informant program is a travesty of justice, not only because it encourages American on American treason, but also because it ignores the very purpose behind the Second Amendment; to create a populace free from the fear of tyranny. If we do not put an end to the anti-gun tides in New Jersey, we should fully expect to see such atrocities against freedom planted at our own front doors in the near future. There are no exceptions to the Constitution. New Jersey is not outside of its jurisdiction. Every person in that state deserves the same protections as anyone else. We must disrupt the sick and perverted no questions asked buy off policies now prominent in that region, or be subject to the same in the near future…
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Abstract
The issue of police brutality continues to be a major concern for both the public
and the law enforcement profession. This research explores the possible, multiple
causal factors involved in the lifelong learning process that might contribute to police
brutality. A survey, based on various causal factors, was administered to municipal,
county, and state law enforcement officers in Orange and Osceola Counties. Although
findings did not substantiate the hypothesis that brutality is the result of a lifelong
learning process, expanded research is needed in this area. Recommendations that
might help resolve the issue of police brutality are presented.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/bf52c8f8-b78d-40fd-ad88-c3e425c47b28/Johns.aspx
and since the hiring spree.. after 9-11.. the test scores have ALL FALLEN ACROSS THE BOARD!!
in Florida the Average Comprehension Level for the Test Subjects (State Wide Average for Working, Armed Police) is that of a 10th Grader.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/CJST/Menu/cjst-index/Basic-Abilities-Test-(BAT).aspx
I guess you missed the point about turning in people carrying ILLEGAL GUNS (aka CRIMINALS).
It's a very bad precdent though, anybody with a gun or thought to have a gun, will be ratted out by morons hoping to cash in.
the idea is.. anyone who see's anyone with a Gun.. is Guilty until Frisked, Shook Down, Cuffed and Humiliated Publicly for Exercising Their Rights!
You have a Gun? do you have your papers?
where are you going?
why do you need a gun?
how many stupid questions does a person have to suffer? because that person choose to be prepared or exercise their right to bear (or is it Bare now?) arms?
of course after enough good people are harassed.. they will get tired of being harassed and thusly stop carrying.
the Police spend more time with people who carry legally than chasing bad guys.. why? because people who carry legally are not trying to shoot them, that way every extra minute they spend asking you stupid questions is one less minute of their shift spent having to interact with real criminals!
The Power Trip of the Nazi Meter Maids that like to play dress up like Marines.. only works on us that obey the Law.. those of us who understand that the Over Paid Meter Maid only has to have a bad day.. and / or have to make Quota! and POOF!! You are Guilty!
The Police / Law Enforcement in America are the Terrorists!
The Police step on Working People's Rights ALL DAY!! Every Day!
The Police are the REAL Threat to Freedom in America! day in and day out!
Some Camel Jockey is NOT! taking your Rights.. more and more every year! the police ARE!
You can Blame Government! But??!! Why??!! the Police are the ones who carry out the acts of oppression against We the People!
Be honest about who is actually doing what!
Camel Jockey? or TSA??
who is making your life SUCK! who is it?
That’s right! someone who is sucking at the Tax Tit! someone who makes more working for the Government than doing the same job in the Private Sector! and the more that the Government Worker Busts YOUR! BALLS!! the better job they are doing!
and you get to pay for it!
is it sinking in?
do NOT! let these ignorant cheerleaders fill your head with bullshit!
there are 4 government jobs for every 1 manufacturing job in America!! it used to be the other way around!
and here is why!
Privatization of Americas Prisons
Investment Bankers are regulated under a civil system not a criminal.
The F.B.I has NO! jurisdiction unless a theft or robbery / fraud has occurred and then they are called in. the key being they have to be called in! by the Banks themselves, their trusted partners!
“London police force has identified the members of the now international Occupy Wall Street movement – and more importantly and particularly, Occupy London – as a terrorist threat. The leaked December 2 memo, titled “Terrorism/Extremism Update for the City of London business community” was, as the Guardian reports, “sent to ‘trusted partners’ in the area.” It has been confirmed as genuine, and puts the #Occupy movement on a par with al-Qaeda. Under the heading of “Domestic” the document says, in part:”
http://www.politicususa.com/en/a-disturbing-loss-of-perspective-occupy-london-labeled-a-terrorist-threat
Wall Street ='s Civil
Main Street ='s Criminal
Wall Street owns Prisons thusly profits from Main Streets Criminal Governing Laws.
http://prop1.org/legal/prisons/970317itt.htm
http://www.aclutx.org/blog/?cat=40 <--- commie, pinko, liberals who fight for the Constitution to be upheld.
So! for the really fucking dense out there!
Wall Street Owns the Lobby that Owns Washington DC.
Wall Street is Lobbying for tuffer sentencing guide lines (not for themselves but for Main Street) because Wall Street is in the Privatization Business of Prisons.
So the more time Wall Street can have legislated for Main Street to serve, the more profitable Wall Street can be! and the more leverage they can pile on for the sale!
Pardon me, is that gun you're carrying illegal? It is?! Ok, I see, would you mind waiting here for a minute? Thank you...
Uh huh, because everyone who sees someone with a gun will be able to have them accosted by LEOs and we all know those confrontations always end well. And what's to stop people from turning in ex-spouse's or 'friends' just to watch them squirm during a PoPo patdown? What stops some neighbor from calling you in after seeing you load a gun in your car to go to the range? Jersey already has mental rejects in it's PD's and you're willing to risk it because why? Damn right it sets a bad precedent.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jersey-man-imprisoned-gun-charge-appeals-governor-clemency/story?id=12287484
What's an "illegal gun"? I bought a .38 snubbie off a friend....so it was an illegal gun. I gave it to a girlfriend who had someone gunning for her....now she has an illegal gun. We're both good citizens, but we had/have an illegal gun. It is illegal because the fucking government didn't authorize and profit from the transfer! Fuck that. Fuck the government.
What part of what any of you did was illegal? That's all perfectly legal in Virginia. Face to face sales of handguns is legal. It just needs to be between Virginia residents (have them show a valid VA driver's license). That's all that is needed. There's no paperwork, and you do not have to document a damned thing for anyone.
It ain't legal in CA.
Legal in WI, though if it's later used in a crime, they'll come back to you asking about it.
Socratic, stop torturing yourself. Get out of there! haha
bill1102inf
Be honest folks, he is targeting ethnic minorities for 95% of this tape.
In 20years in my city, I have seen not one person,that I would automatically assume was Illegally carrying a weapon if I saw it on them.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell WHO might be carrying illegally,(if seen)depending solely on location,and part of city.
Why don't ZHers all chip in to put out a lot of ads for informants to rat on politicians. The ads could say something like this:
Because EVERYONE KNOWS!! that Whistle-Blowers in America (or really anywhere else) go to JAIL!! for telling the Truth!
UBS Whistle Blower in Jail for helping the IRS with over 2,000 Tax Dodgers! http://usat.ly/9vZDNg
'Austrian tax evasion whistleblower' dies in Swiss jail http://bit.ly/dhoand
Swiss tax whistleblower to give WikiLeaks new data & in Jail for it http://reut.rs/fDHHJ7http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpkALtom41I
Obama's crackdown on whistleblowers targets press freedom?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfEiJotzpvI
Obama punishes whistleblowers
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=obama+administration+cracks+down+on+whistleblowers&pbx=1&oq=obama+administration+cracks+down+on+whistleblowers
Dear Lord, When the SHTF and your loving hands take me into your kingdom, Please supply me with endless reruns of F troop , Columbo and All in the family. Amen
I'm turning in Booker ....
Awfully emotional piece, innit?
States' rights, bitches.
Citizens informing on each other about illegal gun ownership isn't different from citizens reporting bribe-taking politicians.
Although I personally am all for every citizen owning and carrying a gun, if it were a big priority for me, I'd leave NY. Anyone can move to FL or AZ or OK or wherever. The 2nd amendment is a bit of a red herring--it's not like the Feds are involved.
FUCK YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME
http://youtu.be/1fZr_o0eGQw
Some of those who work forces...
Garbage State and lots of Idiots in NJ. SO called cream of the crop of Shit.Nj the Dump State.
The sheeple of Newark NJ are too irresponsible to carry firearms. The population density is also too high for it. If a major crisis or natural disaster broke out and the monkeys were armed it would a terrible mess.
It doesn't sound like you know much about Newark, the monkeys are already armed.
Nobody wants lowlifes to have guns but New Jersey (home state of jew supremacist, lunatic gungrabber Sen Frank Lautenberg) already has some of the most Draconian anti-2nd Amendment laws on the books so this program will undoubtedly affect people who may have a gun to try to protect themselves from the thugs with illegal guns.
The appropriately named nutjob mayor of Philadelphia and his jew supremacist gungrabbing buddy Rendell are not going to be far behind in this kind of scheme, they want to take guns away from all citizens and are using crime as an excuse.
But look at this homicide map of Philadelphia http://www.philly.com/philly/multimedia/15818502.html and you will see that law abiding folks will be defenseless as the thugs will always have guns-unless they are completely banned in America which is exactly what the jew supremacists like Rendell and Lautenberg and Lieberman and Levin want.
At our gun club safety is number one.
We rat out bad gun safety at the range all the time, it's in the by-laws.
$1,000 cash money? ppffffffft. i'll give FIVE THOUSAND dollars cash money to anyone who has information leading to the arrest of a corrupt mayor in new jersey. no conviction needed to get the cash. just get the bastard arrested and off the street. a dishonest mayor is a menace to society. YOU can help, and get cash too. call 1-800 dirtymayor
Awwwwwwwwww, criminals dont want to be turned in. lmao
They should do the same for Illegal Aliens. Im all for it.
'If you know an illegal alien, or an employer of illegal aliens, turn them in, $1000 a piece!!' Nationwide, this would decrease our illegal population by 10+ MILLION and benefit ALL americans.
I usually refer to 'stupid bills' when talking about things like NDAA coming out of DC but in your case I'll make an exception...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9uH4XgOmI
looks like you guys are right on track for kicking the white man out!!
dont the fucking bloated public pigs make enough money to catch the bad guys on their own.......fuck them !
Ron Paul 2002 : predicting everything that has happened since then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0
SPREAD THIS AROUND...
Ill be fucking PISSED IF RON PAUL DOES NOT WIN!
You'll be pissed when they haul you away at 3am.
"See something. Say something" worked well in Estonia during the Russian occupation. It worked so well that my grandfather was sent to a Siberian gulag (a.k.a. "slave labor camp"). A little lie to the KGB was all it took.
Feeling secure in your homeland?
Were the people disarmed at that point? We are not. We will not be disarmed without a fight either. People may begin disappearing, but that's when the war begins too.
we are a nation of criminals that need to be incarcerated, according to TPTB
ok this video is just fucking creepy, the mayor sounds like a used car salesmen, and nowhere right up until the very end does he even mention specifically who you are supposed to report. he slips he word "illegal" in there right at the end, but only after he's drummed it into people's heads that they will get paid for blowing in anybody who is carrying a gun. note he gives no details, no disclaimer, he doesn't even attempt to clarify if this pertains to public possession only or does it include your neighbors, friends or even your own home, leading one to believe one could turn a profit by ratting on somebody even if the person walks by a window and sees a gun sitting on the table.
it doesn't even specify easily concealable hand guns or rifles and shotguns, it's just "hey if you see a gun, call it in and we'll pay you $1000, if it leads to an arrest" purposefully ambiguous I believe. because even if it doesn't lead to an arrest, doesn't take an illegal weapon off the street, it sure as hell will provide a free list of guns owners legal or otherwise that they maybe could not have put together any other way.
I'm all for trying to get illegal guns off the streets, but it would take a very naive or willfully ignorant person to believe, after watching this video, that it is the point and purpose of this particular program.
"My wife, yes. My dog, maybe. My gun, never."
No truer words have ever been said:)
Interesting. Take the summation - "Guns are simply not the issue. An armed and educated populace is a populace safe from crime. This is a fact."
We know three things. 1. The US has the highest per capita gun ownership in the developed worl, if not the entire world. 2. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. 3. The US has the highest homicide rate in the world.
If the article is correct, then only one conclusion is possible. The populace is armed. The populace is not safe from crime. Therefore the population is not educated.
The writer of this article makes that point very clearly.
Tell us how Switzerland fits into that cozy rationale.
Eh, what's the point? You can't fix stupid...
Congratulations! I believe that's the stupidest thing I've read in a very long time.
Who the hell is coming up with the $1000 dollars per gun? New Jersey is bankrupt financially and morally. Time to move!
NJ will sell them to the BATF of course.
Or even better. Buy gun for 200$, plant gun in whoever you don't like house... call the cops... your enemy goes to jail... and you get 1000$... 800$ profit.
Win/win.
(you know people are gonna do that)
Hell back in the Soviet Union, there was a case where a brother called the KGB on his own brother because he wanted his room. Yep, you sent your own fucking brother to the fucking gulags because his bedroom was a square foot larger...
You think this kind of stuff won't happen in our materialistic society? PLEASE! They'll send their own grandmother to jail for an Ipad!
Poetic Justice can be brutal. This is something every informant need to understand.
Snitches get stitches or wind up in ditches. - Poetic indeed.
In a new novel based on the information he has about the repressive North Korean regime, Adam Johnson describes how North Koreans endure work camps and professional torturers when they are found unwilling to inform on their neighbors.
Johnson was interviewed this morning regarding his novel, “The Orphan Master’s Son” on National Public Radio.
There was one thing I forgot to mention in above two posts.
Was surprised that Tyler missed this...
There were two purposes for the 2nd ammendment. The first was obviously to protect us from jerk offs trying to stroll up and steal our shit or rape our wives. This is in essence what Tyler discussed in this article.
The second more important aspect of the 2nd amendment was to protect us against our government. The guy who drafted the constitution, Thomas Jefferson, had said the following:
"Every Generation Needs A Revolution"
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."
Be weary when you hear politicians say this country was founded on peace (it wasn't) and we need to take peaceful measures and shit like that. Our founders gave us the right to bear arms so if we ever had a tyrannical governemt we could not only protect ourselves, but have the ability to take up arms and remove them through violence if necessary. In fact it was not only suggested by our founders on multiple occasions it was ENCOURAGED.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYnsfV5N2n8
That 18 year old in Oklahoma is a perfect example how ineffective police "protection" often is and she had to defend herself and her child. Twenty one minutes later after the 911 call, still no cop around.
The bad guys always have guns. The government in programs such as "fast and furious" supplies murderers and the CIA and DEA are proved to have had their hands in money laundering etc., which also ensured the bad guys were armed.
Where does that leave a person or family if their home or person is being invaded?
II bought my first rife at eleven years of age and never shot or hurt anyone. I don't own guns but know people who do. I would never fink them out unless they did something morally wrong, like use their weapons in some violent crime.
I would like to turn myself in as a gun owning, Second Ammendment LOVING FUCKING GUN OWNER!!!!!!!!!!! Only Queers and Corzines come from New Jersey! Which one are you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRkCemeV7k
Just another one of those Dirty Harry moments.
When you hate everyone.
A Reminder to ANYONE IN VIRGINIA on the upcoming holiday - there is a more important protest than the one at the Richmond Fed - unless you think the NJ idiot would be good import to Virginia.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/january-16th-%E2%80%9Coccupy-federal-reserve%E2%80%9D#comment-2016318
There is actually a far more important protest scheduled for that day- and the entire intended audience will be there. The 16th is the annual pilgramage of thousands of armed rednecks, urbanites, and even gun toting grannies to the Virginia Statehouse to remind the legislators:
That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people, that magistrates are their trustees and servants, and at all times amenable to them.
That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety, and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration; and, whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal.
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That all elections ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community, have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed, or deprived of, or damaged in, their property for public uses, without their own consent, or that of their representatives duly elected, or bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented for the public good.
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That all power of suspending laws, or the execution of laws, by any authority, without consent of the representatives of the people, is injurious to their rights, and ought not to be exercised.
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That general warrants, whereby an officer or messenger may be commanded to search suspected places without evidence of a fact committed, or to seize any person or persons not named, or whose offense is not particularly described and supported by evidence, are grievous and oppressive, and ought not to be granted.
That no person shall be deprived of his life, liberty, or property without due process of law; that the General Assembly shall not pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts, nor any law whereby private property shall be taken or damaged for public uses, without just compensation, the term "public uses" to be defined by the General Assembly; and that the right to be free from any governmental discrimination upon the basis of religious conviction, race, color, sex, or national origin shall not be abridged, except that the mere separation of the sexes shall not be considered discrimination.
That in controversies respecting property, and in suits between man and man, trial by jury is preferable to any other, and ought to be held sacred. The General Assembly may limit the number of jurors for civil cases in courts of record to not less than five.
That the freedoms of speech and of the press are among the great bulwarks of liberty, and can never be restrained except by despotic governments; that any citizen may freely speak, write, and publish his sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right; that the General Assembly shall not pass any law abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, nor the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for the redress of grievances.
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
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That no free government, nor the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people, but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles; and by the recognition by all citizens that they have duties as well as rights, and that such rights cannot be enjoyed save in a society where law is respected and due process is observed.
That free government rests, as does all progress, upon the broadest possible diffusion of knowledge, and that the Commonwealth should avail itself of those talents which nature has sown so liberally among its people by assuring the opportunity for their fullest development by an effective system of education throughout the Commonwealth.
In addition to better hygene and manners, it is also one of the few protests in the world were the protestors always outnumber and outgun the State.
ARM-a-getthon.
ARM-a-getto .........there fixed it for you
New Jersey governor Chris Christy, national socialist authoritarian parasite and supporter of Mitt Romney.
Newark mayor Cory Booker, national socialist authoritarian parasite and supporter of Barack Obama.
Four peas in the same pod.
Those of you who have travelled might recognize this gambit. Snitching on your neighbour is a favourite pastime in many 3rd world shitholes. It's guns now, but it could be anything - bad mouthing the government, disrespect to serving soldiers, speaking up for the "enemy" (whoever that may be), buying commodities on the black market (gold, and silver may be?), threatening language against the potus, the list is seemingly endless. You wait and see.
True, but if you were one of the victims, would you prefer being snitched on, or having your house vandalized and your kids beaten because you're not a "good citizen"?
(We're already too far into the script here in the USA for things to end well. It's hard to make a call between 1984 police state and ethnic civil war, but take a look at how many posters here are praying for the latter.)
You are way ahead of the curve mate. Some of you guys on ZH surprise me on how astute you are on diverse issues. Yep, the neighbours could indeed be far worse than the authorities. I remember back in 2002(?) when I heard about this kid and his father being manhandled out of a mall by goons followed by other shoppers - his crime? Wearing a "Give peace a chance" t-shirt. Multiply that by a factor of 1000, and that's where we might be heading after the next war. It's so sad. Most people deserve better than to live in a police state, or be embroiled in a civil war. They have no idea what they are praying for.
Why do people keep saying it is going to be an ethnic civil war? It's going to be a revolution, and ethnicity will have little to do with it.
What fucking Peter Pan cartoon did you step out of?
It's going to be a revolution, and ethnicity will have little to do with it.
If you study some history, you'll see that most revolutions inspire a great deal of score settling against the "bad people" who helped cause the problem.
Perhaps we'll have a violent revolution in which only politicians and bankers get the grief, and there's no opportunistic targetting of the old, black, Spanish-speaking, white, longhaired, Jewish, or whatever.
Could happen. Sure.
I'm "white" and know an awful lot of "hispanic" and "black" patriots who are just as pissed off as I am. There may be some score settling, but it will not be the main theme. As usual "racism" is used to divide and conquer. I would hope that most people on ZH are wise enough to know who the enemy really is.
I do not think this has anything to do with the 2nd ammendment. He is talking about people carrying illegal guns. People who are carring guns in public without gun permits. These are the people dealing drugs and killing without recourse in their drug trade.
This does not frighten me.
People you suspect of doing so. So plant a cheapie and have the state take out a personal enemy for you and even pay you for the opportunity to do so. Cops have been doing this for a long time. In New York City it's called flaking when the substance getting planted is drugs.
http://hinterlandgazette.com/2011/10/former-nypd-detective-stephen-ander...
You were saying something about not being frightened there quota vota? Perhaps someone might find you worth a quick grand in this souped up version of the modern slave trade.
Sheesh, get a clue before you get trafficked
I do not have any Illegal Guns. Plus, I do not carry in public without a permit.
Many of the Citys like Chicago are becoming War Zones with Illegal Guns and Gang Members gunning people down. Much like the Mexican Drug Cartel. Many Citys like Chicago are a lot like the Mafia with all of the so called Hits.
This Illegal use of Guns is hurting all Citizens.
This Illegal use of Guns is hurting all Citizens. - True.
Fact remains that this program can and will lock up law abiding citizens. Many of them. So keep pretending that following the law is protection from the law and the lawless, both in and out of the uniform of authority. THE thrust of the article. Remember, our government even sells guns to drug cartels to see where they will be used in violent crime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fast_and_Furious
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/15/as-predicted-fast-and-furious...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/atf-gun-scandal-holder-decl...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-us...
Keep on slurping the "I'm a law abiding citizen so I have nothing to worry about" Gerber there Gerbervore. The status quo depends on you here and now just as it depended on folks like you in the Germany of the 1930's.
Are you fucking kidding me? The government's "illegal use of guns" has slaughtered millions more than gansters ever will. Give me a break.
In Arizona and Texas, it is perfectly legal to carry a gun in public without a permit. I did often, and in Texas there are laws against banning laws prohibiting carrying without a permit, I don't know about AZ regarding it.
The typical problem with drug trade is that the criminal element in that 'business' can't hit the side of a barn much less their drug trade competitors and strike innocent bystanders otherwise the problem would solve itself through darwinism.
Vendetta,
and Texas, it is perfectly legal to carry a gun in public without a permit.
On your person, no it is not.
AZ is one of the few being the only states that allow OPEN carry that comes to mind.
Vermont allows carry w/out permit................imagine that, Vermont.
UNLESS it's a slung long gun,if your within city limits..
Long guns may be carried openly, in your vehicles,handguns, either with a license or not, must BE out of sight.
That's one of the things that drove me nuts before the law,you could throw an AR15/12ga Semi in your seat, and have 20-30rd mags loaded in your seat.
But you could not carry on your person, or car, a .22LR handgun legally (unless it was in your trunk, unloaded, and out of your immediate control).Loaded or otherwise.
Till this day, I can sling an AR, and walk down a city street, and I am perfectly legal.( do not expect to not get likely taken to jail,garner LE attention and arrested), but it will be done illegally, AND YOU WILL WALK.
And you can sue.
How do the police know who has a permit and who doesn't?
If they have a snitch, then they have "probable cause" and can dispatch a SWAT team to surround you in the parking lot as you come out of a WalMart and kill you (the permit in your pocket is irrelevant).
It should frighten you.
You are so right! I just re-read the 2A and it CLEARLY states:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed EXCEPT in New Jersey, or New York, or Chicago"
Clearly the Founders knew that these cities needed a different set of right than anywhere else in the nation.
Guess that's why Jefferson never vacationed in Chicago.
It's funny, Wiki-Leaks' Assange attempted to inform and they broke him, but for anyone else to rat out on a neighbor it is OK.
A nation divided cannot make it and I see so much division everywhere.
IF i hear this correctly it is for someone carrying a gun who does not have the permit to do so. AS a gun owner for 60 years and a carrier inside my truck in Texas, where it is legal to do so, I agree that a dope seller with a weapon needs to be taken out.
HOwever-- however, will they extend that to the politicians crimes too at $1000?
Who will prosecute the politicians? Eric Holder, lol. The other side of the coin. The crimes are pulled in broad daylight and no one goes to jail. Laws are meaningless. If they gonna fuck with ya, they will. Who will stop them? It's a club we don't belong to.
The basic theme of Ayn Rand’s We the Living about Soviet Russia appeals to me; it is the sanctity of human life – in the sense of “supreme value.” Rand was the age of twelve at the time of the Russian revolution when she first heard the Communist principle that Man must exist for the sake of the State
Said Rand, who refused to succumb to the scavengers of human souls: “I could not understand how a man could be so brutalized as to claim the right to dispose of the lives of others, nor how any man could be so lacking in self-esteem as to grant to others the right to dispose of his life. Today, the contempt has remained; the incredulity is gone, since I know the answer … of the men who value their own lives and of the men who don’t … the first are the Prime Movers of mankind and the second are the metaphysical killers, working for an opportunity to become physical ones. … men motivated either by a life premise or a death premise.”
Here is a vignette of the banker-financed Russia that Rand fled, of “the midnight knock at the door, the bread hidden against famine, the haunted eyes of the fleeing, the grublike fat of the appeasers and oppressors in the bitter struggle of the individual against the collective.”
There are men living today who knew this savagery not so long ago; are we the living to visit it again?
My parents who lived in occupied Netherlands emigrated to Canada when I was five because of the tensions between the USSR and the west They did not want to lose their sons.
My father smuggled in potatos from Belgium, my mother was in a train strafed by german fighter planes. I lost two uncles in prisoner of war camps and my grandfather, a locomotive engineer, died to the stress of it all.
Hostilities aren't pretty and those who turn neighbor against neighbor are those who facilitate starting wars, because America proved in the past that religions, race, economic and education status can coexist peacefully.
Someone is stirring the pot.
It's been simmering for years; the CIA drug running, the welfare state and the entitlement attitude that comes with it, the removal of the death penalty and now we have the racist Holder in the DOJ. All imo promote violence.
I do not think the Government is afraid of the Legal Law Abiding Gun Owners but the illegal Guns in the hands of Criminals, now that is a different matter. The people that own Illegal Guns have nothing to lose.
Maybe they are thinking about stopping welfare or food stamps and do not want to get shot.
So, what you're saying is that the corrupt tyranical leaders are not afraid of an educated populace taking the law into their own hands and eliminating the real threats to national security with legally owned weapons? Instead the corrupt leaders want to usher in a peaceful solution to rounding up all of the organizations that provide kickbacks to all ranks of the corrupt "servants" and promise to never abuse this power.
Try this instead.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.
"I do not think the Government is afraid of the Legal Law Abiding Gun Owners."
Worse than that, they see the common person as beneath them, unable to decide their own fate, and in "need" of them and of government services.
Self-determination frightens them.
Spontaneity terrifies them.
A person having a gun symbolizes a lack of absolute control by the state, which to them is chaos. Life is only livable with a rigid structure of control and conformity to the state; anything else is to be feared.
They are stuck in an anal retentive Parent-Child mentality that necessitates tattle-tales and tyrrany.
The thing that scares me the most, is how MANY people would happily inform on us, and send us all to the gas chambers to please their corporate masters and be rewarded with paper currency. They are like dogs who seek only to please their masters.
It's terrifying.
Read:
http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Wealth-Mr-Andrew-Costello/dp/1463523017/ref
YOU CAN PRY THIS GUN FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS
I thought the Great Right Hope Chris Christie was Governor of New Jersey. What the!?
Christie was the Gov of NJ/The Garbage State - that is until he was hired and floated-off to be a more eco-friendly (self-propelled gas) replacement for the Goodyear Blimp that circles Giants Stadium on game days.
"If there was ever a more degraded lot of bottom feeding opportunist scum, the citizen informant is the very epitome..."
oh so true...but americans have been trained to become stassi agents...from earliest school they are rewarded for being good little sycophants - a trait brought to great perfection in higher education.
the senescent american is in his heart a nazi control freak who loves violence and murder especially when it is administered by the state.
this control freakism is the direct result of ascendant feminism - something started by the rockefeller-mic-yale-cia cabal in the 1960s to fashion a more docile worker - something for which women are a natural.
feminism = docility = control = totalitarianism
You have obviously never heard the old adage, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"
Dr Ruth, the sex therapist was a sniper in her youth. Woman are not as docie as you would believe. Don't ever threaten a woman's child if you want to live.
I've seen women fight and I would rather fight a male anyday than a woman who is fired up to kill. :)
In all of the Animal Kingdom, including Humans there is no female that would not Kill to protect their young.
"Dr Ruth, the sex therapist was a sniper in her youth."
I can just hear her cackle after she blew some hapless Palstinian's head off whose farm she just stole.
ahh tony, you are soo fond of this meme, you put it up at least weekly. . .
please, for your audience, can you make a list of totalitarian nationstates headed by feminists.
or even nationstates where feminists are in multiple top positions of control.
or even a list of feminists who you would characterise as docile.
by all means, go historical - as far back as you like/can.
aaron russo started in hollywood, and aimed for politics - not everything he states is truth.
How about a $1,000 reward for anyone turning in a welfare cheat.
I suspect a lot of cities wouldn't have a 'gun' problem anymore.
Of course, ALL licensing, background checks and ANY other interference in the gun market in ANY way is criminal and immoral on the part of the government. Only those imprisoned for violent crimes, and thats the only people that should ever be imprisoned, can morally be denied guns.
If the wall street banking executives had been prosecuted for the massive financial fraud they have committed which are felonies, none of them would be able to legally own a firearm. Too bad justice is awol.
Has the US government ever invaded a nation that publicly proclaimed the possession of nuclear weapons? Is it a stretch to think that to fully enforce the Patriot Act, the government must first seize all weapons held by the public?
$1,000 in Ca$h! Completely anonymous! No questions asked. $1,000 in Ca$h!
Report anyone viewing dangerous material on the Internet! This has to stop!
I'm the Mayor, and I know how dangerous lies can be.
Call now if you see anything questionable or strange being read by anyone in your family!
We must stop this dangerous chaos of thought is threatening our fine city!
Remember, I have $1,00 in Ca$h for those who turn in someone saying bad things about the City, the Council, the Police, the new Government - after reading something on the Internet, Mobile device, or a book.
$1,000 Ca$h!
$2,000 Ca$h for anyone who turns in one of those old Constitutions or Bill of Rights.
NJ Honey Pot data mining concept. Don't worry. NJ will begin to charge residents fleeing state again. LOL
an ode to the enablers of the end of the usa who will be the last to see what has happened to the usa:
what are you worrying about if you you have done nothing wrong.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
If i know my grammar is correct, the 2nd amendment is ONE sentence.
The founding fathers considered the militia and the people one in the same.
Virginia's Bill of Rights, Article 13 makes it very clear what the founders meant. Politicians cannot ignore the very clear text of it either.
I don't understand how a gun can be illegal.
Surely it's just the owner who is permitted or not to own and carry a gun.
It's interesting that it's codified as a right to bear arms rather than a duty. Historically adult males would have a duty to defend their homeland, with that went a duty to maintain a weapon; longbow training for example was mandatory. I understand Jefferson was against standing army. It increases taxation and centralises power.
Today that duty would be to own and maintain an assault rifle and attend regular training.
Some countries still oblige.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
I understand Jefferson was against standing army...
I understood that standing armies in the US are still illegal except in times of war. This latest "war on terrorism" against a foe that could be lurking anywhere on the globe has allowed the US army a perpetual presence and has made the role of the USMC virtually obsolete. Before this war on terrorism, our front line fighters, the USMC, were under the umbrella of the US Navy which was allowed to exist in perpetuity.
Few people in the US realize the sea change occurring before our very eyes.
And from Business Week: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/gun-control-a-movement-without-followers-01052012.html
does he take an oath to uphold the constitution? if so, then this video is proof of his intent to break that oath.
I am a strong proponent of the 2nd Amendment and disgusted by the laws in the People's Republic of New Jersey. I'm also a police officer in an eastern city and respond to shootings all the time where no one saw anything. Some are scared to death but many others live by the ghetto motto "Stop Snitchin'". The thugs and those who inhabit the criminal class with them would agree wholeheartedly with Brandon Smith that ANYBODY who calls the police about the criminal activities of ANY of their neighbors is the scum of the earth. Smith has to think a little more and distinguish between Nazi collaborators and good citizens doing their civic duty. If I saw my neighbor having sex with a 12 year old in the shower after football practice, would Smith condemn me for calling the police? If I saw my neighbor pulling on a ski mask, shotgun in hand, walking into my bank would I be the same as a Nazi collaborator to call the police.
Besides, in most of America (I know NJ is moving away from us) an anonymous tip to the police stating that the man at 123 Main St. has a handgun or a full auto rifle in his house is not sufficient grounds to get a search warrant. Besides, keeping in mind that this man may be armed if I ever encounter him on the street or in his house, there's nothing the poiice can do except maybe knocking on his door and tricking him into incriminating himself. Police have much better things to do.
The NJ initiative is another "feel good" law/program generated by politicians to make it LOOK LIKE they are doing something about crime. Believe me: 99% of the police are rolling their eyes and walking away shaking their heads at this. Nothing can come of it, so nothing will. However, you'll know there's blood in the water when the authorities start asking us to report to them any of our neighbors who participate in the local Occupy protest, or display a campaign sign in favor of forbidden candidates like Ron Paul. Then you can get upset.
All your guns are belong to us ...
How about $1M to rat out a bankster caught with his hand in the cookie jar?
This is CLEARLY an informant program to dime out people that own guns ILLEGALLY. Are we that desperate on zerohedge to spin everything into a conspiracy? SOPA, NDAA, Protect IP...these are legitimate threats to the constitution and civil liberties...and yes the police state is growing. But gimme a break with this ad. Why would they be issuing gun permits and then proposing something so ridiculous? Law abiding citizens are still allowed to own guns and exercise their 2nd Amendment. I live in Jersey City. I just received my firearm permit on January 6, 2012. I purchased my first hand gun...a Glock 23 Gen 4...yesterday as a matter of fact. There are plenty of law abiding gun enthusiasts that are still allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment right, like myself. If this article/comments section is supporting illegal gun ownership, well that's a different conversation that I don't agree with. But as things stand now, I don't see this as a threat to the 2nd Amendment and I have no problem with this program. Speaking as a law abiding NJ resident and brand new gun owner, I think everyone is a little too deep in the weeds on this one.
So you are one of the "good" one's, eh?
Well...yes if you want to call me "a good one"....sure. Is that a problem jolly roger (or is it poison)? Listen...you guys can sit here and bury yourselves to death in self-obfuscation and delirious paranoid minutia in the comments section on Zerohedge over something that is a NONE ISSUE. In the meantime the government is moving forward with REAL TREASONOUS legislation that if passed will shut down this site and its comments section (SOPA). So, I suggest you remove your head from your fourth point of contact, don't drink that sixth cup of coffee, open the blinds and maybe step out into some sunlight...and then start doing something PRODUCTIVE against the REAL THREATS TO ALL OF US like SOPA (Jan 24th vote BY THE WAY), NDAA, PROTECT IP, etc etc etc. OR maybe go do some good volunteering for the Ron Paul campaign. In the meantime I'll be picking out my next LEGAL FIREARM PURCHASE IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. As my close friend Mike Krieger said Thursday "We have a moment right here and right now. Let's do some good." There is entirely too much productive energy wasted infighting and bickering on page 209 of the comments section on this site. All of this intelligence and passionate energy could be put to better more productive use.
Sounds like we are on the same team.
A well armed populace is the first line of defense against tyranny.
I agree that SOPA and NDAA are real threats; diluting the 2nd amendment and bribing the citizenry into becoming agents of oppressive government are a more direct threat.
If you don't speak out against this kind of tyranny in your own community, trying to stop the bulldozer of legislation of equivocating CONgressional muppets is the least of your concerns.
I hate to admit it Tyler, but I disagree with your comments surrounding this issue. Abe, you are absolutely correct. The Mayor is not attempting to actively deconstructing the Second amendment, rather he is attempting to decrease the amount of violent crime within Newark, one of the most crime-plagued cities in the United States. While I do not live in New Jersey, I imagine that it is still manageable to attain a licensed firearm, therefore empowering one to engage in their constitutional right to "bear arms". This article is blatantly out of context and does not recognize the greater fact set surrounding this issue.
As the Zerohedge community we need to focus on the issues that have the potential to upend the financial system and social fabric of our great country, not on creating conspiracy theories about "crime prevention" public policy.
Abe and Darkness.
You should both be incensed that a public official is resorting to bribery using taxpayer money to try and accomplish what citizens can do out of individual concern versus coercion.
What the Mayor is saying is: "We will BRIBE you with public funds to do what we feel is the right thing".
You have fallen into the snake pit of equivocation that says "The ends justify the means."
The Second Amendment says nothing about a "carry permit" nor "registration" nor "as approved by the Congress, State, or local municipality" but rather "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
You are missing the point about the 2nd amendment and the informant mentality; and where that leads the heart of a community and a nation.
Bring back Jon Corzine for NJ Governor. Yeah, that's the ticket.
/sarc
You too the words right out typing fingers. As they say, like governor, like citizen (in informat that is, not the gun owner). Immoral bastards all. Corzine probably assisted in the informat program.
Darnkness and Abe:
You both seem to entrust the federal government with the management of your rights quite a bit.
If you are not concerned about the "see something say something" mindset being created incrementally in this country, then you are not paying attention. Rights are eroded incrementally. Seeds are planted through slick propaganda campaigns.
Your accusations of "conspiracy" are just wrong! They are conditioning us every single day. You both will be some of those people who don't see the obvious trend coming, because it is too subtle and incremental for you to notice.
And discussion of things other than financial topics is totally appropriate. Remember....without liberty and private property there IS NO wealth. Politics are so intertwined with financial matters that to only pay attention to one thread of the chord would simply be insoucient.
BTW, love the pic, at the U.N.,that POS needs to be bulldozed.
We gave them the land, we support them financially more than ANY other countries,yet they are always against 95% of whatever we do.
I curse the UN everytime I drive by that piece of shit.
Next thing you know, they will outlaw guitars.
Yes....the Gibson "unlawful" wood debacle.
the idea that a gun can be deemed illegal is anathma to the US Constitution
You'll have to take my homegrown hierloom purple cherokee tommies out of my cold dead hands!!!!
Christie is no good, he is a RINO. He has not done squat here in NJ. Corzine put in a 50% toll increase Jan 1 he let it happen, not a peep, do you know why? The state is broke and this is the only revenue source to pay the muni vig. He should have put the unions into 401K's like everybody else-nope didn't do that either, when the fat shit leaves office the next gov will blow out the pensions.
Motherfuckers.
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I live in NJ and have resided here since 1974. I am in lawful possession of two revolvers ( S&W Sportsman 38 Special and a Ruger Redhawk (44 Mag)). Those weapons were obtained via permits processed by our local police chief. I am also in lawful possession of the civilian version of the M-14 rifle (a Springfield M1A without an automatic selector switch). I am in lawful possession of thousands of rounds of ammo.
Now you say - I am good to go. Well, I don't know about that. If someone breaks into my house, do I have to call 911 and get permission to use my weapons in my own home? That question is not so simply answered and beyond the scope of this comment.
I can tell you what I do not have - a "concealed carry permit" (CCP). That is very difficult to obtain in NJ. The permit allows a citizen to carry a weapon outside his home, on the street or in the car. I am not talking about a hunting license. I am talking about the right to carry arms outside of your home in a non-hunting scenario.
Now, the Mayor of Newark, NJ is complaining about persons carrying weapons outside of their homes and without a CCP. And, I have no problem calling the cops and informing them that someone on my street is carrying a weapon.
There are too many mindless knee-jerk reactions to articles like this one. Folks - if you are not a convicted felon, you can probably obtain lawful possession of one or more weapons and as much ammo as you can afford.
Ownership and possession of weapons is no big deal in almost every state in the USA. Using them is, even in your own home, is a big deal.
Carrying them in states like Vermont is no big deal - any Vermont resident can carry a loaded weapon anywhere, anytime. And, in Vermont, where I have a second home, there are no daily shoot-outs at the OK Corral. In fact, homicides by firearm do not happen in Vermont.
But, it is almost impossible to get a CCP in NJ or NY.
I will make one suggestion:
Before the permitting process become more stringent, get your guns and ammo now - legally via permit. The cost of ammo has risen almost 20% in the last 6 months. Ammo might even be a good investment. There is a strong market for high quality firearms - if you buy one, you will always be able to sell, albeit a slight loss.
Just because it's legal NOW doesn't mean it always will be, as the agenda is a slow, incremental one. I don't know why it is "knee-jerk" to be angry and concerned over this stealth agenda.
I find it ironic that, while our own government has been shipping guns to Mexico and several places inside the US, the same government is making it extremely difficult to carry concealed. Permitting is simply a way for a powerful master to keep tabs on its citizenry. They will be the first ones targeted by the feds should there be a crisis. Remember....FEMA and DHS coordinated and implemented the confiscation of law abiding citizens' guns who were merely protecting their property! Remember Ruby Ridge?
On a personal note: My husband's medical partner had to shoot an intruder several years ago. He was made to feel that he was suspect for doing so, and called a lawyer associated with the NRA to make sure that he was not punished by the legal system. How ridiculous is that?
Yesterday, I asked our 14 yr. old what the main reason is for our Constitutional right to bear arms. He said, "Protection?" I asked, "Protection from whom?" He answered "an intruder?" I explained to him that our Founders provided this clause as a protection from a tyrannical government. We must al teach our children these important truths. They are growing up inured to unconstitutional laws and regulations.
The council on american islamic relations CAIR already has it covered. "Build a Wall of Resistance, Don't Talk to the FBI"
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/cair-%E2%80%9Cbuild-a-wal...
Anyway, this is a good chance for everyone in usa to tip the white house to crimes by Eric Holder, Jamie Diamond, and Timothy Geitner
Oh, again Americans and their cognitive dissonance about guns=freedom... And then they wonder why they're at war with the world... They'll blame "globalists", "communists" or whatever "-ist", but damn it, that "NWO" you loathe is you!
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