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Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:05 | 2011574 Oh regional Indian
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Thin ice is so true. 

One possible shock is the rug being pulled from under the developing world's feet, if the dollars need to rush home. They can RUIN India/China/Thailand/Malaysia just like that. Reverse the liquidity pump.

Interesting visual. the BRICS were built as flat bottom boats, to float on thinly spread liquidity. When it's gone, they'll just sit there and rot. It's already happening here. 



Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:12 | 2011644 EhKnowKneeMass
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But, but, but, the Sensex went up by close to a 1000 pts in the last 5 days. So, all must be well in India, a place where people are more fertile than the land.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:30 | 2011659 Oh regional Indian
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What a weird last line in your comment. Un-less, seeing your carefully crafted handle, that you were trying to be funny?


But anyways, the Sensex is susceptible to as much manipulation as the DOW.


Mon, 12/26/2011 - 12:28 | 2011716 ratso
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Mr. Schlichter makes some interesting points, however, he fails to prove that fiat monetary systems are incompatible with capitalism.  He asserts his conclusion in the end without have demonstated its validity. SImply talking about banks getting bigger and giving out bigger bonuses etc proves nothing except that shareholders have little to say about how large corporations are managed - this pertains to all large corporations not just banks as well as big elected governments. 

When the values of accountability to shareholders and citizens have vanished this does say anything about capitalism except to say that capitalism is an inherently amoral system that easily spawns self destructing off spring that threaten its own mechanisms of operation. 

Disproportionate bonuses and salaries are an insult and injury to the citizens and shareholders of every country and corporation where they are inflicted, as is tax evasion and neglect of the poor and less fortunate.

Happy New Year

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 14:27 | 2011953 sof_hannibal
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There are several good points (in the article), but I would add this also: greed of banks vs. State/central planners and bank control becomes somethong like a what came first the chicken or the egg argumemt; as I see deregulation policies as leading corporate monies to put political pressure on the system to keep the illusion going not necessarily the other way around.

I am not saying that I am 100 percent right here either; however, the original article above says that bank CEOs get million dollar bonsues because of central bank panning. Well, the stupidity and greed of many CEOs, regardless of it being a bank [CEO] or not is -- that many CEOs or corporate leaders who rountinely bankrupt their companies are given multi-million dollar bonsues; not just bank CEOs. MF global walking away with 1.2 billion dollars of investor money is another example of this no rules, cronyism, and "good ol' boys system," which seems to be the direct result of a no regulations/ no rules policy -- both of our current system and the fiat currency isssue(s).

Should countries be allow to carry sham debt balances?, no. Should central planning be allowed to (currently) bail out banks at wim?, no. However, shawdow banking and gambling with trillions one or a corporate entity at (100:1) does not have should also be illegal, as well as things such as shawdow banking (should be outlawed). It would seem to me that these 2 concepts, for instance, are related to regulation, not de-regulation policies ; but also tied to less intervetion of the state in business. Meaning that we still need strong regulations, or cronyism/ robber barron capitalism will continue. And clearly, people in general are vastly losing all confidence in the financial markets... Bullish on shotgun shells... haha

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 17:18 | 2012201 Dr Hackenbush
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any monetary reformist knows that currency today is private and debt is nationalized to pay for it.  

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 16:32 | 2012135 AnAnonymous
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he fails to prove that fiat monetary systems are incompatible with capitalism.


Made me laugh?

Prove? US citizens need no proof for capitalism.

US citizenism postulate: capitalism is success, capitalism is good.

When something bad happens, when something fails, it can not be capitalism (by previous US citizenish postulate)

No proof needed. Only US citizenism.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 17:07 | 2012180 TheGardener
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Sure no cynicism in your "citizenism"? Citizenship has become a much eroded concept lately, but why add an "ism"
which almost always indicates something really dirty or
outright repugnant.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 17:28 | 2012213 Cathartes Aura
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perhaps he's referring to the "citizenism" imposed upon birth, with the assigned socially secured #. . .

repugnant indeed.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 12:44 | 2011824 vamsy
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what are you saying? Manipulation is 'mandated' in order for the 'free markets' to continue <sarcasm>. Look at this outrageous article:


so only the banks are authorized to print money by short selling the Rupee (just like the holy man of India Dr Manmohan Singh said two years ago that it is not good that speculators make money in  a bear market, market movement should be completely random); so we see 10% spike in stocks if the profit of a large software firm falls by 30-40% and stocks free fall after they report a 100% increase in profits. Death to all the banks! Let the system restart which it desparately trying to do...

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 14:06 | 2011946 Oh regional Indian
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True Vamsy.

And look at the current depression of the rupee. IT firms not so firm bottom lines get help, indian connedsumer gets hammered on essentials and smothered with cheap, toxic crap!


Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:47 | 2011677 johnu78
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Everything is still going to sh*t despite what CNBC is telling us!!!



Mon, 12/26/2011 - 11:49 | 2011756 DaveyJones
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in order to call out shit, you must first be something else

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 17:04 | 2012174 Esculent 69
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Oh boy! I wonder what new war we will get for the new year. I'm so excited I think its time for a not very sexy party!!! www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqj22l2djEs

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:13 | 2011581 pineyard
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I have ONE OBJECTION to the CONTENT of this Article ..and that is:

EUROPE COMBINED has had a POSITIVE TRADING AND CURRENT ACCOUNT BALANCE for the Time of The European Unions Existance .

This means that EUROPE has financed what it spent and what it invested  ..ITSELF.. in an overall  ( and Austrian School ) Calculation .. because it EARNED the Money spent by its own LABOUR and EFFORT .. in the first place  .. It is true ..this  surpluss has been UNEVENLY distributed ..INSIDE the EU .. nevertheless ..it was and is .. a SURPLUSS ..

That is a FACT .. which should be taken in consideration .. when PROGNOSTICATING ... but is so conveniently OMITTED .. by the TSUNAMI of PUBLICATIONS emanating from the ANGLOSAXON WORLD .. which for as long as I can remember NEVER produced MORE then they spent ... but on a constant basis ..was forced to BORROW ..from the external  world .. in order to make ends meet means

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:30 | 2011600 CPL
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Europe hasn't gotten around to paying for the crusades you dumb fuck, the US just made it's last payment on WW1.  When does this bullshit stop?  Never.  For longer than a millenia europe has been the piss pot of the planet and it will REMAIN the pisspot of the planet.


Africa has less debt incurred over time, there are small pacific islands where pigs are used as capital than have more equity invested in themselves and they don't even use fiat.  Just pigs.


This is why we can't have nice things, people sweep truth under the rug constantly to make the universe line up with their belief structure.  Fucking makes me sick.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:47 | 2011616 tim73
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Eat shit, yank.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 13:51 | 2011924 CPL
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Canuck actually.   You would be surprised how many of us refer to her majesty as the old cunt and the soon to be king her crotch fruit.  Canadian taxes remain high to make sure some tart across the pond on a golden throne is entitled to keep fucking and spending her own people's money with nothing but a vague promise she's connected to God by some ancient Papal sanction decreed 1500 years ago.


Fuck Europe.  It's not an investment strategy unless you are the king or queen of a country.  That's Europe, 2000 year old mentality of sea piracy and theft by decree of a political force only driven by whos cunt you drop from.  Nothing more.  It's dump and it wasn't turned into a dump by foreigners, last time I've been through London and the area the white people were doing a fine enough job of shitting in their sandbox.  France isn't much different, nor is Germany. 


Mon, 12/26/2011 - 14:09 | 2011949 Worker Bee
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Hey CPL,remember that time you were running around screaming like a little girl about your insider info on an imminent nuke attack?

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 14:51 | 2012009 CPL
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It's still going to happen whether you want to believe it will or won't.  Here's a job position for you.




You can either leave the compound at night or you can stay.  Your perspective depends on who you are working for once someone is dumb enough to pull the trigger.  There certainly is no shortage of stupid.  Unending universal well to draw from.


Did you think they were not going to use the nukes?  Russia is doing something they haven't done in 15 years.  They are testing the sea to surface missiles.  Without all that ice in the way of the north pole, nothing is stopping the military juntas from turning each other into ashtrays and their populations into shadows on pavement.



All this hedges on the US and Israel behaving themselves regarding Iran.  Iran currently couldn't give a rats ass about Europe.  in fact NOBODY cares about Europe except the people running Europe and the chattel that live under their kings and queens.



Iran is already making plans to cut the nuts off of Europe.  Japan is sneaking out the back door from the US Hegemony.  European reaction is to have "die-ins" as a protest to their mouths running against the oil producer in the area running at capacity next to the house of Saud.


Funny thing is the dying currently is voluntary.  Just wait a year, then the option goes from voluntary to compulsory.


So what news have you got to the contrary that the world is improving and international relationships are strengthening in this dismal time? 


None but you got a new iPad/android appliance so the world is okay.


I would suggest that you take all your money out of your savings and spend it today.  It's boxing day, so take the next step and become what I expect you to be and consume...then borrow some money...then buy some more stuff.





Mon, 12/26/2011 - 14:01 | 2011938 Hapte
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Mon, 12/26/2011 - 11:33 | 2011734 Green Leader
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I am reading this agronomical book "More Food From Soil Science, The Natural Chemistry of Lime in Agriculture".


The Russians had figured it out by 1850, the rest is just fertilizer company sales propaganda.

I will be able to defeat chemtrails and grow beautiful, vibrant, healthy plantains once again. Purple and yellow taro, too!

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 13:57 | 2011929 CPL
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It's basically what every grave digger since time began knows; calcium, protein and lime make healthy lawns in graveyards.


Name a graveyard where they use fertilizers?  They don't, unending supply of fertilizer shows up daily in various sizes and shapes daily.


If you want to pick a fertilizer, breakfast cereal and cat food.  It has everything people need and plants to.  Government figured out  a while ago people eat both food in great quantities then started regulating the minerals and vitamins that go into human chow so their respective population wouldn't die of rickettes and scurvy.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 16:41 | 2012144 Green Leader
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In order to boost production you actually need to reach a specific base saturation threshold in the soil particles and the realationship between lime applied and bushels of corn produced is NOT linear.

It's not as simple as you wish to portray.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 16:10 | 2012117 Mariposa de Oro
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Tell me about the pigs, CPL.  I live in the Republic of the Marshall Islands.  I've never heard the islanders here using pigs as capital.  This is a serious question.  There are plenty of pigs on the outer islands.  I'm on Kwajalein so none here (usually).  Those that do show up are very short term visitors if you know what I mean. thx

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 18:02 | 2012252 TheGardener
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Don`t mind the swine. Those leftists are immune to hard facts. Marshall Islands ? Must be ruled by some U-Boot
survivors , if they dare to counter my stories...

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 18:10 | 2012263 Mariposa de Oro
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Leftists=swine, lol indeed. no U-boat survivors here, just Americans and the locals.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:53 | 2011625 Sean7k
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You seem to be ignorant of the debt obligations created by derivatives by european banks on malinvestment and sovereign debt for excessive social spending and the bailing out of those same private banks. Your current account balance deals only with foreign trade. 

Europe has NOT financed what it has spent. It has borrowed sums beyond comprehension.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:22 | 2011651 Marco
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He's not ignorant, he is simply saying it's an internal issue. The EU as a whole pays for what it consumes.

Lets say the entirety of the EU would default but find some way to keep it's factories and service industries providing it's exports running ... would they be able to import the same amount of goods they are importing now? Yes, because it has trade balance ... the EU exports products to pay for its consumption, internal distributions of debts and credit are irrelevant to that fact.

Lets say the US would do the same, would it be able to import the same amount of goods they are importing now? No, because it isn't in trade balance ... the US exports debt (and military protection) for it's consumption, not product.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:34 | 2011664 Sean7k
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If the EU paid for what it consumed, it would have no sovereign debt. What part of that is hard to understand? If the EU paid for what it consumed, it wouldn't have a 3.5 trillion debt on the balance sheet. 

You cannot take a part of the economy and separate it from all the other parts and scream, "We're solvent". You have to look at the WHOLE balance sheet. You cannot separate out the costs of socialism that you are unable to pay, not able to tax for  and have people believe you are solvent. If that was the case, your bond rates in the PIIGS would not be hitting 7%.

It is not an internal issue when your banks continue to feed at the FED swap lines. Trade balances are meaningless without a consideration of the national wealth. Nations have negative and positive trade balances all the time and for periods of history, it means nothing until they are exposed and people refuse to accept their currency at the rates the nation wants to trade at.

This is a reflection of sovereign debt and the ability to pay on that debt. Thus, Greece, Ireland, Spain and Italy. Soon to be France, Britain and Germany. I am not saying the US is any better- see my comment below.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 11:01 | 2011697 francis_sawyer
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Not really arguing with you here, but when you say something like this...

You cannot take a part of the economy and separate it from all the other parts and scream, "We're solvent". You have to look at the WHOLE balance sheet.

Isn't that what they do with LABOR numbers & CPI numbers all the time? Keep fudging out elements until it kinda sorts looks palatable...

Half the time I think they do all the somersaults for nothing... A report of a bad number of anything quickly bets buried on page 4... Even if it stayed on page 1, people would be like, "HUH"... They have no capacity to aggregate these things... Especially when DWTS is on the other channel...

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 11:03 | 2011701 LawsofPhysics
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I think you all are missing the point. "the E.U. pays for what it consumes" - really? With what? Gold? Oil? Or simply more bullishit paper? The answer is the latter morons. Let's see how ANY sovereign country does when the oil, coal, and natural gas stops flowing. I'll be impressed with the E.U. when they start "paying" for what they consume with real hard assets. Until then, they are simply more paper-pushing fucknuts.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 11:49 | 2011755 Socratic Dog
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Yeah.  I was thinking yesterday about how much corn I can buy for an ounce of gold.  It's well over 5,000 pounds at retail prices (50 pound bags).  Thats over 5,000 man-calorie-days (my own units, I think it makes sense) of nutrition, or 14 man-calorie-years.  14 years of food for an ounce?  Something wrong with this picture.

What's wrong, it seems to me, is that the price of gold reflects the worthlessness of fiat; the price of corn doesn't.  Yet.  When it does, it's game over.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 12:30 | 2011810 LongBallsShortBrains
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You will find it much easier to replace that corn through your hard work than trying to replace one ounce of gold with your own work. The amount of corn in the world is constantly changing. It gets eaten, burned, lost, popped, or planted and harvested. The gold is mined and very little is consumed. However, as said here before..... You can't eat it...

Disclosure: long gold krugs til the boating accident(s), still hoping to find them.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 12:22 | 2011793 Socratic Dog
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Double post

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 12:45 | 2011825 Marco
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Financial paper isn't counted into trade balance calculations, financial services are ... but that's mostly the UK. The Euro zone pays it's dues with real services and products.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 12:39 | 2011818 Marco
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The EU is not just it's governments or it's banks ... it's it citizens and corporations as well. Which one of us is looking only at part of the economy? If you net the internal credit and debt within the EU then you end up with the EU being a net creditor to the world ... that's what it means to run a cumulative current account surplus.

The EU is in trouble because it allowed internal imbalances to be created and it refuses to solve them itself at the national and fiscal levels. The US is allowing EU banks to feed at FED swap lines because they know that in the end if trade deficit countries in the EU start to default people will start really considering the national wealth of the greatest debtor of all.

In a sane world productive capacity, education levels and infrastructure are national wealth ... and in that respect the EU is quite wealthy as a whole. The US as well, but not nearly wealthy enough for it's current standard of living ... it's enjoying that standard of living because reserve currency ownership and military might has become wealth in this insane world.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 14:49 | 2012008 Sean7k
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Well, why don't you produce those numbers with a citation, cause I call bullshit. The EU is not a net creditor- not even close.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 15:00 | 2012025 gjp
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Precisely. People just don't seem to understand the current account, what it represents and how important it is. It is the most damning of the metrics for many of the PIIGS (Italy excepted) and the US is the worst of all in this department. Yet everyone focuses narrowly on federal government budgets. Frustrating, but just the usual in our Orwellian world where nothing is at it is presented.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 11:51 | 2011757 JOYFUL
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The "fact" of surplus is value neutral once you engage your full faculties.

"Trade" in the sense that you have used the word, is a euphemism for the serial extraction of resources from the peripheries of empires to the core. As lately as the 70s* that process of exporting disease and trinkets and importing valuable resources was still in full swing. Europe is in the terminal phase of it's imperialist cycle - the resources available increasingly must be paid for on terms other than of it's own making. There is quite simply a period of abeyance right now - an interlude between total command and total collapse - that will soon enough come to an end. 

It's illogical and to pose the discussion in terms of USA vs. European interest.  Amerika has been in the forefront of helping the combined powers of the European imperialist residue to try and stage one last grand theft...Libya, Syria, Tunisia, Egypt, Iraq, and soon Iran, are graveyards of Italian, French, English ambition. Watching the pathetic efforts of these hasbeen powers to raid the tomb one more time has been both shocking and enlightening.  There is, indeed, no honour amongst thieves.

The reserve currency status has given Amerika a few more rounds to stand upon it's own legs before it too goes down.  That empires are retracting and going through death throes is normal and unstoppable, no matter what military might is employed to stave off the inevitable.

Lest this observation be misunderstood as an anti-colonial diatribe, the simple fact is that all nations nurture ambitions to prey upon weaker neighbours...we are not so far removed from our beginnings, by a long shot. Neither India nor China nor any other so called developing nation have any moral high ground to stand upon. That Germany and other northern European nations stand relatively free of colonial payback is an interesting articulation of the perils of empire and the advantages of 'defeat.' They, and they alone, did learn to live off of their own labor; but this is Europe we speak of-the grand experiment in post colonial consumer fetishism...did they really believe it would work out?

*arguably a decade either way, depending upon one's stance

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 15:36 | 2012082 TheSilverJournal
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While the Euro is in a world of hurt, the USD is in much worse shape and has a bigger debt problem. The difference is political in the sense that the Euro could be the one to bust the world fiat ponzi if they decide not to save one of the big countries such as Italy or Spain, whereas in the US, the states aren't seceeding any time soon. However, if the the Euro is held together, the Euro countries have much more road to kick the can down than the US. No matter what is done in the US, there isn't much time left.


Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:14 | 2011583 Miles Kendig
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Balance sheet considerations should not seriously constrain central bank operations

- Ben Bernanke May 31, 2003


Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:15 | 2011584 innsbrooklad
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The world financial system is broken. The present mess remonds me of a golf club I used to belong to. They would have a capital assessment every year. We all thought it was for new machines and mowers. Unfortunately it was used to pay operating expenses and the club went broke and the Directors were all sued and they lost in court.

We borrow long term to pay national operating expenses. It is terminal. Only when the markets do not buy our debt anymore will the mess come to a head, but I imagine it will be far too late. The solvent nations like Canada and Switzerland will see a rush into their currencies, but that has bad omens also. Remember when the Swiss devalued at 1.40 SF?????

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:44 | 2011613 bozzy
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Solvent? Switzerland? The numbers do not say this - Switzerland has a debt shaping up to look like Iceland

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:38 | 2011667 duo
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I want to see that TMS graph on a log scale.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:48 | 2011682 duo
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found it.  M2 up by 15x since 1971



Mon, 12/26/2011 - 17:01 | 2012169 Almost Solvent
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Canada eh?


Other than their ballet  - eh.

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