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Guest Post: Obama’s War On Whistleblowers Accelerates: Science Itself is Now Contraband

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Libertyblitzkrieg

Obama’s War On Whistleblowers Accelerates: Science Itself is Now Contraband

The Obama administration is evil.  Sorry, there is no other adjective to describe it at this point.  They know they are corrupt, they embrace their corruption and now they are doing everything possible to silence anyone who dares call them out on it.  The latest case of Obama’s war on whistleblowers relates to how the Scientific Integrity Officer within the Interior Department, Dr. Paul Houser, was attacked when he started raising some scientific and environmental questions.  According to Kate Sheppard of Mother Jones:

When he raised those concerns to then-DOI press secretary Adam Fetcher, Houser says he was told that he should not write anything about them in any electronic correspondence. “He wanted a hard copy, no email,” says Houser, in order to avoid creating any internal correspondence that could be subject to a Freedom of Information Act request. (Fetcher is now the deputy national press secretary for Obama’s reelection campaign.) Houser says his boss, who was out of the office during the initial exchange, also chastised him for emailing other scientists working on Klamath regarding the release. “I was told that the secretary of interior wants to remove the dams, so my actions weren’t helpful,” says Houser.

See how Mr. Fetcher was punished for covering up the truth.  He was promoted!  How about this revelation from Glenn Greenwald’s latest article on a related topic.

Recently disclosed emails revealed that Jim Messina — then-former White House deputy chief of staff, now the Obama campaign manager – deliberately met with lobbyists for the pharmaceutical industry at coffee houses rather than the White House when drafting the health care bill, and used his personal rather than official email account to communicate with them, in order to evade record-preservation and transparency obligations).

Wow.  We are in very big trouble.  This is not the time for silence; this is the time for action.  The United States is progressing into a mindset best characterized by the Middle Ages.  Spread this info far and wide.

Here is the Kate Sheppard article.

Here is Glenn Greenwald’s.

 

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Tue, 08/14/2012 - 17:58 | 2705114 sixsigma cygnus...
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Didn't Mr. Fetcher get the memo?  We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:16 | 2705153 Richard Chesler
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Corrupt is Soetoro's middle name.

 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:42 | 2705215 narapoiddyslexia
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Houser’s actions since he made his allegations public are interesting. He's become embroiled in the Klamath Basin’s culture wars. And Houser’s comments have become increasingly erroneous. He now claims that “coho aren’t native to the Klamath.” This is a lie, and a telling lie because Houser’s area of expertise is hydrology not ichthyology. This certainly seems like a pattern of a propagandist with an agenda. And Mother Jones? My God, how low must we stoop?

 

 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:50 | 2705243 ozzzo
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If history is our guide, Houser will soon be arrested for sex crimes or pedophilia (caught by a random sweep of course).

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:34 | 2705438 AldousHuxley
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Unproductive people HATE math and science where you can't cheat.

 

scientific integrity comes second to money driven politics.

 

sorry folks but that's real life when you have ignorant voters.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:56 | 2705251 cougar_w
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I just looked up his bio, and reviewed some of his work. He's a hydrologist with work in remote sensing (satellite stuff seems like) and was on the advisory panel for the project. One voice of many it seems. And it seems he didn't like the slant of the Interior work. Thought it was "predetermined" which it might have been.

Policy is not science. When they built the dams in the first place there was probably a lot of engineering discussion and talk about the local economy, but typically there would be very little science involved, or much thought given to how the fishery or hydrology would be impacted, and the impacts on down-stream economies. So what goes around, comes around, as they say.

Here in CA they are talking about taking out some of the dams up in the mountains. I don't get it. Those environments are not coming back just because the dam is gone, not for 5,000 years at least. The down-stream economies are not going to survive that long, given the damage done. If they are trying to make up for the sins of our fathers then it is an empty gesture. Nature will not notice that suddenly we care.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:09 | 2705287 knukles
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Mucho +++'s

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:18 | 2705306 Alea Iactaest
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When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

-- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 21:10 | 2705538 jerry_theking_lawler
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crap, I thought it was Spock!!

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 08:19 | 2706273 exi1ed0ne
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"Ston, she is yours. You may find that having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting. This is not logical, but it is often true." -- Spock (Amok Time)

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:23 | 2705307 cougar_w
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Certainly.

With a little more reading, I'll add that the original post meshes nicely with the howl coming out about the potential closure of these dams, to create a wall of what I call "science FUD" (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt).

Here is how it works: You don't like the direction of some science (or perhaps some advice being given in a scientific forum) so you find someone with a PhD (any field at all will do) to refute said science as fraud. That is usually enough, you don't have to produce any evidence. The generally wide-spread fear of science and American anti-intellectualism will take it from there.

So, who is correct here? As I mentioned, policy is not science. Policy comes from budgets and influence peddling, from the battle between controlling interests. There is really no place for science in any of the discussion, except that biologists and engineers can produce models of potential harms and benefits that might emerge from policy decisions, such as to remove a dam. It seems Houser is being deployed as a tool for FUD, and someone wants to unwind some apparent benefit that was observed coming from the policy decision. But that is not how it is done. It will as always be decided in back-rooms, via corrupt processes of buying influence and paying off decision makers.

The dams went up that way, and that is how they will come down.

Science had and still has nothing whatever to do with it.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:25 | 2705426 Baron Robber
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You are spot on cougar.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:38 | 2705434 Michael
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I'm going to give them some global cooling fear with high body counts of people freezing to death and massive crop failures in the coming years.

Look at the sun spots going bye bye.

http://www.spaceweather.com/

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 06:57 | 2706129 NidStyles
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Everyone know's that the sun has no effect on global temperatures, just ask Al Gore and the AGW people. 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 21:22 | 2705564 scythian empire
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Nice post.  It's not too much of a stretch to guess that he could have his own agenda.  And money, corruption, and game theory will take care of how it will go down.  this is a weak zero-hedge post.  too light.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:51 | 2705499 rufusbird
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Cougar, you said, "Those environments are not coming back just because the dam is gone, not for 5,000 years at least."

I spent 3 summers of my college years supervising work crews working on conversaton projects in the Sierra's. I agree with your statement. Not to mention, the lakes themselves have created an ecosystem that provides fisheries and recreation along with the original water storage benefits.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 22:34 | 2705724 DeadFred
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It's all about warm fuzzy feeling, not cold logic. I'm not getting down on warm fuzzy feelings, just saying they process thing so differently they won't even be able to hear what your saying.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 09:13 | 2706008 i-dog
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"The down-stream economies are not going to survive"

Therein lies the agenda ... 'Agenda 21', bitchez!

No [nuclear] power ... no [fuel] oil ... no [food] corn ... no [local] economies ... few [human] survivors....

Allow it to continue at your own peril, people!

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 07:47 | 2706172 johnQpublic
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"Corrupt is Soetoro's middle name."-------richard chesler

 

read it off his birth certificate, did you?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:22 | 2705171 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Mr. Feltcher is a press secretary. It's his job to hide the truth.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:03 | 2705269 holdbuysell
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Fetcher or Feltcher?

Oh...I see what you did there.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:11 | 2705290 The Gooch
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Fletch.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:10 | 2705285 ACP
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I like how the author encourages readers to spread this info "far and wide"...

Guess what BITCHEZ, like it fucking matters!

I can see the Obama Zombie responses now, "I don't believe it," "more right-wing propaganda," "that never happened, Obama wouldn't do that" etc etc etc.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:25 | 2705325 One World Mafia
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Electronic voting machines have already made up their minds.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:00 | 2705115 Karlus
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Why so serious? You seem shocked by this...perhaps your normalcy bias?

 

Counting the days, stacking the metal, receiving the rounds....

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:47 | 2705238 Dealer
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+1.  It may get hard/expensive to receive those rounds, with DHS ordering over a billion rounds, with even now our weather department ordering thousands of rounds of hollow points.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:35 | 2705340 Abiotic Oil
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Those are to euthanize the anthropogenic global warming skeptics.

It was Professor Nordyke's idea.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 22:38 | 2705734 DeadFred
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Oh oh

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 07:05 | 2706137 NidStyles
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I'm not a skeptic, as a skeptic denotes that I'm still willing to except it if my questions are answered about it. I do not have any questions on the issue, because I'm aware that the whole thing in pure bullshit.

I'm not a denier, because that would mean I simply disagree with the evidence or the reported story. The would mean I give some credit and acknowledgment to the capacity of those that support AGW, which I don't. I think they are complete fucking morons, and deserve to be fooled by that scam. 

I think it's time we stopped pussy footing around with these people to be honest. They are morons and deserve to be treated as ones for thinking we are as well.

 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:00 | 2705116 ArkansasAngie
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It is not possible to choose between these two evils.

Neither a republican nor democrat be.

Vote for anybody but.

These guys have to be stopped

 

 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:15 | 2705255 sitenine
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Oh, that's right, it has nothing to do with the unfortunate truth that our entire fucking 'system' is a debt laden lie of a ponzi scheme in which truth is the death knell of 'prosperity'. Voting for some random representative douchebag will solve our problems?.. Really? *sigh*

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 21:29 | 2705588 EverythingEviL
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Obama and all the other greedy bastards doing everything and anything to increase their own personal gain will have their day in court, only it will not be an earthly court and they will not be allowed to "completely" ruin the earth. The earth was put here for a purpose and that purpose will be seen, these guys will have their end. Revelation 11:18 says that he will " bring to ruin those ruining the earth.” I think we can say without a doubt now that man is truly doing his best now on a global scale to ruin the earth...we are close now.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 22:26 | 2705691 sitenine
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Yeah, that's just right on, don't do shit to change things yourself - your Bible has all the answers, and THAT will solve everything.  Thanks for the fucking brilliant retort!  Idiotic and NONsolutions are in no short supply whatsoever, are they?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 23:57 | 2705869 EverythingEviL
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I was merely stating that god in the bible foretold that man would ruin the earth, and that he would bring those ruining it to ruin. It's not my personal solution. The problem with people like you is that you are sadly mistaken that man will be able to solve the problem himself. There are already plenty of "solutions" to the problem of the many different ways in which man is ruining the earth, the flaw here is the greed and disregard for the planets well being that those in decision making positions hold. So don't tell about how we can bring this change about for ourselves...where is the proof? I think the odds are overwhelmingly against your line of thought. Noble as it is. We can each do our part personally and I do, however, it's a tiny drop in the bucket when you have entire forests being burned and cut down, endless examples of polution via oil spills, chemicals, etc...the tar sands, Nuclear disasters, wars, climate change, I can go on and on....

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 01:04 | 2705947 sitenine
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"So don't tell about how we can bring this change about for ourselves...where is the proof?"

The man who cannot (or in this case, will not) help himself is lost; and if no man will help himself, we are all lost.

I'm truly very sorry for you.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 03:23 | 2706028 EverythingEviL
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Exactly, where is the help coming from? How are we helping ourselves. You can spout philosophical words of wisdom all you want, where is the tangible proof that man is working his way out of destroying everything....laughable. Throw me some more famous quotes to laugh at please

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:14 | 2705297 The Gooch
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I'm writing in Richard Pryor. FTW

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:20 | 2705310 francis_sawyer
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Is Soupy Sales still alive?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:00 | 2705117 buzzsaw99
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is this a manbearpig thing?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:00 | 2705118 spinone
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Progressing?  This is nothing new, just business as usual.  Don't believe the red-blue hype, its all the same.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:02 | 2705121 john39
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democrat or republican, it basically doesn't matter...  the United States is a fascist run country that features a cheap imitation of representative government.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:04 | 2705125 Rainman
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Most exciting news I got all day is that only 1 of 10 in the USA are complete and total imbeciles.

Congress ties their 10% record low approval rating.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-14/approval-of-congress-again-hits-record-low-of-10-percent.html

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:34 | 2705204 Freedom In Your...
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To calculate the total stupidity level you need to add up all those planning on voting for Obama with all of those planning on voting with Romney. Unfortunately that adds up to well over 50% still. The 10% you site may be indicative of the total number of people with mental retardation though.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:23 | 2705315 francis_sawyer
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If you count up family members, coke dealers, BFF's, hookers, media anchors, MK Ultra victims, & K Street, you might get to 10%...

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:47 | 2705361 Overfed
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By my math, I come up with about 80% of the population as total imbeciles. Roughly 40% vote only Democrat, and defend the Democrat Prez and party platform to the death, no matter what. Roughly 40% only vote Republican, and toe the Republican party line, no matter what. So 80% are idiots incapable of discerning that the two party system is just the two wings of the same vulture.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:18 | 2705412 Totentänzerlied
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The ultimate test: when they perceive a "social ill", do they cry for more government, or less?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:06 | 2705128 rlouis
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Destroying the water strorage system seems to be high on the elitist's task list. Taking out Hetch Hetchy is another one of their targets.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:18 | 2705149 sessinpo
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Elitism through corruption, bad, and I agree.

But isn't it interesting that if everyone were honest, they aspire to be an elitist. Who wouldn't want to live in a mansion, have maids to clean up after you, be able to fly off in your own private jet, rented or owned, at a moments notice, to be able to attend almost any social event because you have the time and money to pay the expense?

This is why I don't bash millionaires or billiionaires, just the means, if corrupt, in which they have achieved such status, such as Madoff or career politicians.

Of course we all can say those elitist want to poison our water and pollute our air, the same air and water they use.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:24 | 2705176 john39
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so the corporations can sell you water...  after they buy up all the good sources with fiat garbage money.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:27 | 2705183 silverserfer
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its not a water storage sytem its an ecosystem that is dying because silt(mud) stops flowing down the river system and that mud is the start of the food chain. All the way to the ocean. The farmers in the upper kalamath are operating in an unstustainable manner and need to face reality not try and buy off "scientists." Certian rivers cannot be dammed like this one was. Certian rivers can. Fish are not  the elite

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:41 | 2705209 RockyRacoon
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I can't figger out heads nor tails from the article.  What dam?  What documents?  I don't have the time to go off on a hunt for truth in this case.   If something that is going to be an Administration hit piece is presented, it should at least have a skeletal outline of what "issues" are being debated.   Not the whole controversy, of course.  I don't like this article because it presumes way too much and expects me to be outraged.   Ain't gonna do it.  At least a contrast to any other Administration is in order.  It's the system stupid!

Too MSM for me.  ZH is better than this.

Bring it down!  Vote for the moron most likely to crash the train, drive the rest of the bus off the cliff, kick the can into the roadside ditch.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:39 | 2705219 cougar_w
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No doubt correct.

I think the original post was regarding the issue of the appearance of secrecy.

FWIW, science has been hard under seige since the Bush the Younger administrations. Usually, the Left was in favor of science that showed environmental impacts, and the Right tried to bury that outright. Now I notice that the Right are trotting out their trick pony scientists (which often are not even educated to the field) to refute environmental damages and create FUD where policy might be in the works. The AGW "denier" cottage industry is a case in point.

I wonder which side of the political divide the current slap-fight falls into? The author does not quite reveal.

I have arrived at the point where I no longer care either way. We have sown our fate upon the winds, and we shall reap the whirlwind.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:44 | 2705229 forexskin
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AGW denier cottage industry? what are you saying about your own views?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:58 | 2705256 cougar_w
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Hum dum-dee-dum ... oh I'm sorry -- did you say something?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:50 | 2705366 John_Coltrane
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I can assure those non-scientists reading this inane comment that skeptism, sometimes pergoratively referred to as denial, is the ESSENTIAL aspect of the scientific method.  Only reglions based upon faith invoke terms like denial or non-believer-and AGW has this in common with religion.  Remember religion is just organized superstiition.    No scientific model can be proved, only falsified-and that is the strength and beauty of the scientific method. 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:31 | 2705194 Dugald
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Reduced water supply equals reduced populace.........

Gosh some of you are so slow.............

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:21 | 2705314 The Gooch
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In the long run. Short term means migration and "rationing"

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 21:08 | 2705534 Simon Endean
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"Reduced water supply equals reduced populace........."

 

It means increased opportunities to score some sweet bribes, though.  Reducing peasant headcount while lining their own pockets - another big win for our betters.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:10 | 2705133 Moe Howard
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They are Devo.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:04 | 2705135 fuu
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Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:12 | 2705137 LawsofPhysics
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Science (and truth) has always been contraband.   WTF?  That's it sheeple, left... right... left... right...  soon you will be marching of to war for your real masters...

same as it ever was.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:13 | 2705141 Getting Old Sucks
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Yup, the boomers are to blame for this too.  /sarc 

We keep looking forward when going back is the real answer.  Back to manufacturing what we need here.  Back to families with one bread winner and one for the raising of the children, and home making (can be M or F).  Back to blue laws where just about everyone is off and with the family on Sundays.  Back to protecting our borders.  Back to where the FBI can and would go after all criminal behavior, including the POTUS.  Back to non profit medicine.  Back to when a stock transaction took five days to complete.  I can go on and on but one thing is sure.  We can't go very much forward so if we don't go back???????????????

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:30 | 2705193 Heyoka Bianco
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Back when J. Eds denied the very existence of organized crime?

Five days to complete a stock transaction while the rest of the world moves at near light speed?

Forcing already struggling retailers to close on a weekend?

When was medicine ever non-profit?

You forgot "back to when anyone not white was could aspire to nothing more than semi-skilled labor" or "back to when the US actually exported energy".

You are beyond seniility. You must have been delusional when young to believe any of this ever existed or actually worked. Boomers are to blame, whiner.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:56 | 2705254 Getting Old Sucks
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You sound very angry.  Sorry about that.  Senile?  Not yet.  Debt free?  Yes!  Savings to last?  Yes!  Educated 4 kids and never made more than 75k a year?  Yes!  Why are you so angry?  I can if I wanted to waste my time, show your outburst as being false but it's not worth it.  Look within and try to find some peace.   

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:18 | 2705158 silverserfer
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Houser's a quack who is bought off by private interests. Just another weasly attempt by the agriculture industry to halt the removal. The dams need to go period. Dick Cheney meddeled in this issuess a few years back and it killed off an entire years run of fish so the farmers could water their crops.  Everybody who lives on the river wants the dams gone. He not a scientinst just another paid stooge. This article is complete garbage. 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:47 | 2705237 atomicwasted
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"agriculture industry" aka "those people who keep us from starving"

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 06:24 | 2706105 spooz
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Big Ag is in it for the profits at the expense of a sustainable ecosystem.  They ignore water depletion, groundwater polution, soil degredation, superweeds and pesticide resistant bugs in the name of short term profits.  The free markets rape the sustainability of our economy. 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:13 | 2706800 Ace Ventura
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Uuuhhh.....what free market?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:04 | 2705271 JR
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What you're really saying is that activists with unpopular political causes now simply bypass majority will and use the strong arm of the Federal Government to enforce their own will. And if that fails, they use their leftist courts to do it.

The best ongoing example is the farmers in the Klamath Basin fighting for irrigation water rights against U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service rules on “endangered” fish species. The farmers have been able to get local politicians on their side and Oregon’s U.S. congressmen, all of which was not been enough to override the Executive branch and its Fish and Wildlife Service.

The federal decision wantonly withheld irrigation water from more than 1,000 Klamath Basin farms during one of this century’s severest droughts.

IOW, the Fish and Wildlife Service has the last word. IOW, the Executive Branch of the government was able to override the farmers.  Whoever wanted that miniscule fish didn’t have the votes or the money to override the farmers, but they have the Executive Branch of the government.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:20 | 2705166 orangegeek
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We're on the Road To Serfdom with Barry Obama.  Barry's just doing what socialists do best.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:41 | 2705222 agent default
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And on the road to racial tensions that will make 1960's Alabama look tolerant.  The other unintended consequence of Barry's policies.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:26 | 2705329 francis_sawyer
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UN-intended?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 06:21 | 2706103 spooz
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What would that be?  Cuz everything I look at looks like crony capitalism.  Either way we go we get a dose of austerity next administration.  Hardly a march towards socialism.  You've been brainwashed.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:21 | 2705167 thewhitelion
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Tomorrow I'm going to post a damning expose on the administration--as soon as I can get to a coffeehouse.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:23 | 2705174 Tango in the Blight
Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:27 | 2705186 giorgioorwell
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Oh, the horror..Does anyone think either side in this game will ever be "transparent" under current setup?  Obama is just following slightly watered down version of the previous administration's MO.  Not that this is acceptable in any way, and should be shouted about...but this is verging on spin that the alternative to Obama we have would be any different.  No problem calling BS on Obama's hypocricy, but only if you acknowledget at the same time that there will be absolutely no difference in transparency/censoring if Romney lands in the Oval.  

My guess is Mr. Kreiger thinks that the answer to his Liberty Blitzkreig fears are a Romeny/Ryan ticket.....just a guess.  

 

 

 

 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:35 | 2705206 neutrinoman
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Why does this surprise anyone? ObamaCare passed in the first place because of all its goodies for the medical and insurance industries -- that way, they avoided the mistakes that Hillary made in 1994: this time, they didn't antagonize the lobbyists. Of course, everyone else gets screwed ....

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:35 | 2705207 El
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On a more positive note, Peter Schiff just opened a bank that accepts gold and any other type of currency. Sadly, it is not available to U.S. citizens.

http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/08/peter-schiff-opens-hard-mon...

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:41 | 2705225 JR
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The bourgeoisie is many times stronger than we. To give it the weapon of freedom of the press is to ease the enemy’s cause, to help the class enemy. We do not desire to end in suicide, so we will not do this.
-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

He who now talks about the "freedom of the press" goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.
-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

For people to be free, they must have the truth.

And you can’t have freedom of speech and honest government that represents the people when political tyrants own the media. It is the media that is responsible for the misdirection and the apathy of the people. With that misdirection and that apathy it floods and submerges true revelations – things that are true get buried.

The problem the oligarchs have now, though, is they have the Internet. The Internet has developed so rapidly because of bad media; now, people are selecting and finding out what they want and need to know on the Internet; they no longer parrot the media message.

IMO, the Internet is the worst thing that ever happened to the Federal Reserve Criminal Syndicate, its centralized financial power, and the dynastic families who comprise it, the Big Rich…

 …and their purchased politicians and bureaucracies.

Thanks, Mike.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:59 | 2705263 mayavision2012
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I truly believe that by the time the elections come up, both Obama and Romney will be disqualified by their very activities of inexcusable subversion of this country.  I just feel it in my bones.  Huge news is going to kick this can right out of the ballpark.  Just a hunch.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:08 | 2705284 PatientZero
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Obama would sooner declare martial law and suspend elections than bow out.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:56 | 2705374 John_Coltrane
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You're not suggesting there isn't any market demand for "community organizers" anymore?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:02 | 2705383 Freddie
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I don't like Romney at all but there is NO comparision.  You Fkkingg Dems should have jettisoned this POS back in 2008.   Hillary was vile but she was light years better.  McCain is another RINO elite scumbag.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:55 | 2705507 Dr. Engali
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Obama is as evil a scumbag as evil can be. I have no doubt he relishes the fact that America is being ripped apart right now.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:12 | 2705291 Coldfire
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The government lies, steals and murders, not as an aberration but as the defining core of its existence. Internet Reformation, bitchez.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:20 | 2705309 onlooker
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Drudge today reports that the National Weather Service bought 10s of thousands of  rounds for 40 and 357. All hollow point with maximum energy and damage for what ever the round is fired into. These are hand gun rounds and not hunting rounds. The hollow point is not legal for warfare via the Geneva Convention rules. Hollow points may be used on US citizens but not for warfare with another country. I am not sure if an illegal US entry by a citizen of another country is protected, or if they would be subject to the same rules as a US citizen. Lions, tigers, and bears have a little more protection than all of the above. I am unaware about rules for firing upon storms and snow.

 

Weather Service must expect some very grim and stormy weather in the future of the USA.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:43 | 2705333 francis_sawyer
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Actually, it was The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, that prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body... (which predates the Geneva Convention)...

Though, to your point [pun intended]... With regards to the weather... Well ~ Maybe they're just out to prove to citizens that they're not, in fact, beautiful & unique snowflakes...

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:53 | 2705503 Dr. Engali
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They said they wanted them for target practice. Who the hell uses hollow points for target practice ? Unless of course the targets are people.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 21:13 | 2705544 Simon Endean
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"Who the hell uses hollow points for target practice ?"

Anyone who loads hollow points into a weapon they carry.  Best to practice with the same rounds you use in the field, if you can afford to do it.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 21:45 | 2705620 Dr. Engali
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Well I go through about 100 to 150 rounds when I hit the range depending on which gun I use. If I was shooting hollow points that would be pretty pricey.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:26 | 2706639 Alpha Monkey
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Since when does price matter to the military industrial complex?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:44 | 2705357 web bot
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Classy liberals at their hypocritical best...

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:59 | 2705379 Freddie
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The Obama administration is evil.  Sorry, there is no other adjective to describe it at this point. 

Ahh... red team blue team??... ahhh..Bush's fault.

All the Obama apologists will come out of the woodwork.

Yeah they have all been exponentially bad since it became all Ivy League CIA moles with Poppy, Clinton, Jr and the muslim.  Even Poppy wanted non-Ivy Reagan whacked and failed.

The Dems now are total scum now. They are all Hussein and LBJ.  F them. Hillary is scum but they mugged her and her supporters in 2008.  You scum voted for this in 2008. .

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:08 | 2705397 redd_green
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The more I observed Obama early on, the more I realized he was only about passing "this historic legislation", no matter what a piece of cr@p the legislation turned out to be. And he'd do anything, no matter how corrupt to get that legislation passed, even if it meant backing out every campaign promise for a more open, transparent government.  So much for "democratic reform" in the US. 

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 06:15 | 2706101 spooz
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Any liberal with half a brain realizes there are no good choices in the coming election.  I'm trying to decide whether I should go Green or stay home.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/14/why-voting-for-democrats-doesnt-help-working-people/

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:14 | 2705400 redd_green
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"But I wasn't born here, ..."

"Don't worry Mr Obama.  We have people taht take care of things like that.  And if anyone finds out, we'll take care of them too"

"Ahh, so you're saying I COULD run...."

 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:15 | 2705403 petolo
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Anyone working as a GS-13 or higher has forfeited his right to an objective opinion. No make that GS-11 . Sorry Hoser.  For non-Canadians a hoser is one who siphons gas out of cars.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 20:59 | 2705514 Simon Endean
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"The United States is progressing into a mindset best characterized by the Middle Ages. "

 

We should be so lucky.  The Middle Ages were mostly a time of growth and forward thinking - they were a marked improvement over the Dark Ages.  The Black Death put an end to all of that for a while, but eventually we rebounded and got the Renaissance.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 21:16 | 2705553 scythian empire
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Agreed.  This is not novel.  This is poliitcs.  And if you think your "other" guy will be any better, you're an optimistic fool.  This is human behavior, derp.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 09:28 | 2706435 DeadFinks
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So none of them can be crooks, because they all do it?  None can be evil, because it's all relative?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:23 | 2706628 Alpha Monkey
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None of them are anything.  Who knows, perhaps this type of behavior is what's needed to unfold the future of a peaceful, harmonious, and sustainable global society... would that make them good then?

Or, if you want to remain in a more limited perspective, restraining our timeline to a generation or two, perhaps an evaluation of motives, decisions, and short term ramifications to determine who is evil.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:06 | 2706777 DeadFinks
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Peace, harmonious and sustainable global society....for whom?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 22:28 | 2705708 tony bonn
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if anyone thought that the indonesian had a penchant for truth,he would be a fucktard....obama's entire life's records are locked up tighter than a witch's cunt because he is a foreigner.....his american citizenship is his first and greatest lie....everything else is  frosting on the cake...

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 22:33 | 2705723 toomanyfakecons...
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Even if he was born in Hawaii, which he wasn't, it's a fake state and it shouldn't count anyway.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:18 | 2706613 Alpha Monkey
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I was born in HI... fuck you.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 22:31 | 2705715 toomanyfakecons...
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Besides the imminent MASS ARRESTS, the Wilcox-Drake interview delves into the supression of life-sustaining, planet-saving technologies during the third hour... http://tinyurlcom/cd5cyjo/

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 00:26 | 2705908 FreudianSlip
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Remove dams and shut down power plants is how the masses are squeezed by those in power to seize even more control.

 

Work to control and develop the benefits and productivity in your local community.  Everyone will benefit except the corrupt corporate cronies and politicians trying to control everything on a mass scale.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 03:11 | 2705926 Lore
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It's a little surprising that more people haven't raised Agenda 21 as it relates to intolerance of whistleblowers and dissent and squelching of scandals from within the "man-made global warming" camp. You want to see ponzi?  Take a look into the origin and purpose of "carbon tax."

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 03:31 | 2706029 Roaming
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Geez, Tyler, it took you that long to call a spade a spade? (pun intended)

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