Guest Post: One Simple Rule To Stop Unnecessary Wars

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Submitted by Azizonomics

One Simple Rule To Stop Unnecessary Wars

I’m sick of war.

Officially the cost of the war on terror has been $1.3 trillion. And military spending — especially the interest on debt to pay for past wars — keeps growing year on year:

As General Eisenhower noted:

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.


This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

The cost in life was been ever steeper; over a million Iraqis died.

But it’s more than cost; this a problem of responsibility. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney live a comfortable life of wealth and leisure, four years after leaving office having started two destructive, costly and ineffective wars of choice. They didn’t fight. None of their children fought. But lots of American and British soldiers and innocent Arabs got their limbs and heads blown off.

Of course, military deterrence — and sometimes military action — is necessary.

As Eisenhower noted:

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

The trouble is that war is a great excuse for weapons contractors to make lots of money, and weapons contractors happily fund war-mongering politicians into power. That’s the self-perpetuating military industrial complex.

So the problem then lies in differentiating the necessary actions from the unnecessary.

I propose a simple heuristic for this purpose, one that if introduced would also render the war-mongering politician — the Congressman who votes to authorise, or the President who signs the authorisation into law — personally responsible:

If you start a war, you have to fight. If you cannot fight, then your nearest fit relative has to fight.

This puts the skin back into the game. You want to risk blood and treasure to start a war? If it’s that important, you’ll put your body and blood on the line before you ask any soldier to fight, or any taxpayer to pay. If not, then it must not be necessary.

Would George W. Bush have started the Iraq war had he known his two daughters would be conscripted, and shipped off to Iraq to find Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction?

I doubt it.

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Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:53 | 2399834 lolmao500
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Whoever makes money off of it is to be on the frontlines.

Same goes for the medias talking heads. Propagandize for war?? You gonna go on the frontlines.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:59 | 2399843 Gully Foyle
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The Challenge (1970)

All-out war between the United States and an Asian country is averted when the two sides agree to settle their differences by each choosing a single soldier as champion and having the two men fight to the death on an isolated island.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:09 | 2399861 lolmao500
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Generals should be on the frontlines too, not at the Pentagon sending people to die.

But let's be real here, none of this will ever happen.

The only way to stop war is to take out the scum running the country and go back to founders ideas that America will not get in any war unless they are attacked directly.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:11 | 2399866 Gully Foyle
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I just thought it was a good movie to watch on a slow saturday.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:35 | 2399980 Max Fischer
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Remember when George Bush told everyone the Iraq War would cost ~$50 billion?  Nothing was ever said of it.  Never made into a big deal.  Nothing.

And yet Obama tries to help out the poor/down-trodden by mandating healthcare coverage and he's villified as a modern day Hitler who wants to kill old people with death panels.  Amazing how one president is treated differently than another. I wonder why? 

Can you only imagine if Obama started a war with the wrong country and enacted the Patriot Act? Imagine the faux McCarthyism that Faux News would generate with that! They'd summon all the gullible goons to push aside their salisbury steak teevee dinners, get off their lazy-boy chair, and rumble into Washington with their rusted-out camaros to stage a coup d'etat.



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:52 | 2400030 akak
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Can you only imagine if Obama started a war with the wrong country and enacted the Patriot Act? Imagine the faux McCarthyism that Faux News would generate with that! They'd summon all the gullible goons to push aside their salisbury steak teevee dinners, get off their lazy-boy chair, and rumble into Washington with their rusted-out camaros to stage a coup d'etat.

Rather richly ignorant of you, given that Obomba has not only continued the occupation of Afghanistan and escalated the Bush-era neocon warmongering threats against Iran, but has already signed the so-called "National Defense Authorization Act", which among other choice grabs at power allows the PRESIDENT to indefinitely detain ANY American merely on his word that they are a "terrorist threat" (such as future protesters?), not to mention having previously declared, in an executive order, that the president has the power to assassinate ANY American whom the president has unilaterally pronounced as a similar "terrorist threat", without verdict or trial, in the finest tradition of authoritarian tyrants throughout history.  And FOX News, not to mention EVERY other corporate-controlled media outlet, has been noticeably silent on these matters.

When are statist simpletons like you ever going to wise up to the red team/blue team, good cop/bad cop shtick already?  Obomba = Bush = Clinton = Bush.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:54 | 2400041 Max Fischer
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Another up arrow within seconds of your post!



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:25 | 2400047 akak
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And again, no logical rebuttals or rational response, just snarky and juvenile diversion from the facts and the argument at hand.

Why are you so congenitally incapable of acknowledging when you have been intellectually bested, time after time? (Not to mention, each and EVERY time.)

You are one of the most disingenuous, dishonest, arrogant, antagonistic, malicious fucking trolls ever to have cursed this forum.


Max Fischer, Uncivil Coatimundi

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:28 | 2400140 TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak said:

Max Fischer, Uncivil Coatimundi

Maxine Fischer, Harena in Femina Genitalibus

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:38 | 2400152 Ricky Bobby
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Max Fischer the little NKVD bitch.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 22:37 | 2400258 Michael
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The military industrial complex sure played a major role in bankrupting the country.  I'm going to laugh my ass off at what happens to them when the complete and total economic collapse of the USA takes them down with the rest of the nation.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 00:29 | 2400340 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Yea and I'll LMAO the first time jew hater is actually accurate about one single, solitary thing.

Go have more kids and give the ignorance a wider berth.


How would fare without war exactly?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 04:45 | 2400434 prole
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Well for starters without a war-economy we wouldn't have paid trolls like your fake ass and Maxine Fischer Trollus Stupidus Mundi

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:43 | 2401154 Xkwisetly Paneful
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The next time one of you total and complete fucking morons finds a want ad for paid posters.

Please relay it along.

Stupid ignorant blissful world where anyone tapping the glass is obviously being paid.

What are you people like 12yo or something? Sounds about right, can't think for yourselves,

and anyone who disagrees was paid to do so.



Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:22 | 2401293 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Since I am not an acclaimed PHD it takes me a while to get stuff.

Like the fact that you are a paid poster.

Being an academic fukktard means non stop self promotion.

But thanks for playing.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:51 | 2401520 WaterWings
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Having a Ph.D, in other words you watch Dr. Phil, ain't exactly a good thing around here anyway.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:29 | 2401312 Maghreb
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Accusing Xkwisetly Paneful of bieng a paid troll is an insult to all the paid trolls. Personally i've had my suspicions about certain people. Some of the lunatics on Prison planet (Recon Sniper) ranting and raving 24/7 on every post make me feel its a straw man job. Guy says hes a disabled war vet and spends the whole day cursing out Jews and ethnics. Gives Alex Jones Libertarian outfit a bad name. Certain pro Zionist elements on AJE (Al Jazeera) forums seem to be fighting the good fight a little too often trying to talk down the anti Israel group and seem to have no real ideological basis. Fishcher could be a paid troll and he's a pretty good one if so. But he isn't being paid by millitary, he's more likely a Democrat partisan bitching Bush and saluting Obama. Election coming up, maybe they have a budget for this who knows.......If hes not kudos to him for showing up and arguing on "enemy turf" and not preaching to the choir on Huff Post or CNN.

First two thing you need to understand about a paid troll from what i've heard and seen is that they are....

Paid.....probably a pittance and couldn't find a job doing something for real. Were talking journalism washout from some ideological college (University set up by Heritage Foundation might be a good example). Guys are probably heavily in debt just trying to make ends meet not too clever. Multiple accounts, alway around in some form or another. Not intellectual power houses or very experienced. Most importantly dishonest. Deep down they won't make any sense because of this. man says hes a Paeloconservative against immigration but then says hes an Israel firster and against gun rights. Individual rights would be his "ideology" but instead he takes snippets from his party line to make that shit taste better. How can you be an Israeli firster beleiving in the sovereignty of the Nation state and its role in protecting individual rights and not start raising questions when your government takes tax money and gives it to a another country.Same thing when Democrats say a women has the right to privacy and thus an abortiong but the Feds can tap our phones. There are always clear logical fallacies in their messages because they don't truly beleive or understand anything.

Secondly they out to discredit the views of the site they are sent to........They aint going to pay a guy to go Amren and write "Niggers are out off control!" theres already a thousand people posting the same thing (though some may be the writers them selves to keep comments on topic). THey do this in two ways guys like Berg or Uzi on AJE forums are constantly denoucing the AJE news service. First alarm bells is when they show up only on a few topics (mainly) Israel a describe the exact opposite situation. I sometimes think these guys are there working for AJE to get more hits and refreshes which translates tomore add money. Secondly their are the strawmen unhinged religious  fundementalists, odious racists and the borderline psychotic. Alot of these on Prison Planet. A few here i think Spirit of Truth spamming links to his John birch socitey meets Raiders of the Lost Ark blog.

They are most certainly out there and here is how i try to look out for them. Paid bloggers are fine by me but the bastards out to spam nonsense are worse than the MSM in my opinion.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:20 | 2401620 WaterWings
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Please, all, forgive for being a posting whore on this thread, but I've been drinking heavily since 8pm last night and I just read this and consider it worth definite review.

No big surprises for regular ZHers, but this shit is always worth outing, for what it's worth.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 18:25 | 2401753 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Just so I have the hang of this:

If someone is promoting free markets but then bashes HFTS they are a paid poster?

If someone bashes fractional reserve currency all the while being an immense beneficiary of fractional reserve fiat they are a paid poster.

IF someone is promoting gold or silver while at the same time bashing fed policy, they are a paid poster.

If someone is calling the top 1% in the US greedy all the while existing themselves in the top .00000000001% of all time mankind that is a paid poster.

and on and on and on and on.

This place must be full of paid posters.


Sun, 05/06/2012 - 02:59 | 2400411 StychoKiller
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Weren't you the one that ID'd Max as being another incarnation of Texas Gunslinger (and all the other aliases)?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 00:47 | 2400358 Bansters-in-my-...
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Hi Max...

Just stopped by to say Fuck You shit for brains.

Have a nice day.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:30 | 2400513 NewWorldOrange
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Say Max Fischer. You just said to one poster, "Another up arrow within seconds of your post!"

So, you're so desperately anxious to see if you've stirred the pot that you hover your quivering finger over the refresh button, tapping it as fast as you can...Drama queen much?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:59 | 2400046 sun tzu
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Don't forget the bombing of Libya and the ongoing bombing of Pakistan, where tens of thousands of innocent civilians have been killed. I wonder of Michelle Obomber will be sent to the front lines in place of the Holy One

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:22 | 2400068 ChrisFromMorningside
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Libya, Pakistan ... You also neglect to mention Yemen and Somalia. All "interventions" that began under the Obama regime.  

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:28 | 2400073 akak
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All egregious oversights on my part, agreed.

"Oh, but he's a Democrat, that means he's anti-war!" 


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 23:57 | 2400324 Crassus
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"It's time for a new Middle East, it's time to say to those who do not want a different kind of Middle East that we will prevail; they will not."

- Condoleezza Rice, U.S. Secretary of State, Beirut, 07-25-2006.





Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:35 | 2400516 Aziz
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Condi and Michelle Obama better get strapped up and ready to fight for that mideast freedom, then!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:01 | 2400109 Max Fischer
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There's a rather significant difference between "interventions" in Somalia/Yemen/Pakistan versus Bush's/Haliburton's war for Iraqi oil, wouldn't you say?  Or do you think the killing of Osama is the same as Bush's 10 year war on Iraq?



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:39 | 2400159 Ricky Bobby
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Max Fischer the little NKVD bitch. The boot lickers are always the most preverted.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 23:15 | 2400294 jeff montanye
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look at the origins of the iraq war.  you don't find the oil industry, you find zionists. 

bush and cheney aren't oil industry.  they're politicians.

obama, with about the exception of the appointment of sotomayor, has been the third term of g.w. bush.   

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 10:04 | 2400584 MajorWoody
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Max rocks, gotta keep these rednecks on their toes, even if they're Yankees!

Go Max

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:26 | 2401301 Charles Bishop ...
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 That's "war', Max--don't want anyone to confuse it with "WAR!" (you know, the O-fficial, sanctioned, approved-by-congress-and-all-the-holy-men type "War."It's all the same sanctioned slaughter; but  through the miracle of Racist Bullshit(tm)it all  seems somehow WORSE when a "black' man is issuing the orders to" roll "against the Enemies Of The State(tm)on behalf of the Corporatocracy Of Amurrica(tm) and its subsidiaries.

It doesn't matter what color he is-we're sealed  inside  Gen. Smedley Butler's worst nightmare; and there are self-serving  assholes with power and money  making sure the escape hatch is welded shut. Once again, Heinlein is GOD.The current situation we find ourselves strapped into could have been prevented by a short perusal of Starship Troopers by all concerned parties:"Everyone fights-no one stays home. " if we LIVED by this rule, we'd be living far less exciting lives, mostly involving stacking PM's, working out, and eating right. War would be an exhibit you took the kids to see at the Museum of Bad Ideas on a Sunday. But the people who run the world don't want it that way; they prefer to fight over obsolete fuel sources to the death , utilizing the bodies of dumbed -down American cannon fodder to shore up the gaps in their portfolios.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:06 | 2400056 rocker
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I agree with the poster. I also say the "Draft" must be applied in all wars egaging a 50,000 or more commitment.

Use the lottery and "NO" dodgers. If you refuse, you must go to jail and do public work.  Chain gangs.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:18 | 2400130 Jendrzejczyk
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I nominate you to go in my child's place. If you refuse my generous offer, you go to jail and work on a chain gang.

(Did I miss the sarc tag again?)

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:40 | 2400154 Al Gorerhythm
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I nominate that he, and the bankers who extend the credit to the arms manufactures, are all conscripted and frog-marched itno the front line, with regulars behind them, bayonets at the ready, just in case they turn and run.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:48 | 2401174 Abitdodgie
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Why it is not our war they started it so they can fight it , dont try and make me go and fight in a war that I do not give a shit about ,and i will not support , if everyone took that attitude there would be no wars.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:39 | 2400815 SheHunter
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Great article TD. I've thought for some time that the day we put women in the front of the front line to be shot, maimed and mind-screwed like our male soldiers that is the day politicians will think maybe twice before giving the aye to third world invasions.  But I missed the vital link in this thinking- the politicians' daughters and wives would not go into these wars.  So your scenario is right on.  High five.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:51 | 2400036 Ratscam
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Tyler, can you please reintroduce the math questions?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:05 | 2400863 Acorn10012
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I would so do those two girls...from behind of course.

TD - seriously, can you do something about the idiots that post nonsense?

Love the articles!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:53 | 2401532 WaterWings
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2 + 2 = ??

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:36 | 2401655 Acorn10012
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Gonna let this one go. Don't want to get it wrong and ban myself from the site.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:51 | 2401675 WaterWings
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Good answer. Room 101, on the left.

If you can't find it, I have a tall serving of vitamin High-Fructose Corn Syrup for you. Endless pleasures.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:01 | 2400049 sun tzu
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That pretty much shows the stupidity of the obots. Nobody can mandate healthcare unless the doctors and nurses are forced to become slaves. Obotcare madates that everyone must BUY insurance. It was written by the insurance industry, something that you brainless obots are just too plain stupid to understand.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:02 | 2400117 Max Fischer
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That's dumb.

Car insurance is mandated... does that mean sales reps from Geico are slaves?



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:05 | 2400119 francis_sawyer
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Instead of reading dumb ass Max Fischer comments... How about some Clancy Brothers "Waltzing Matilda" to speak about war...


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:18 | 2400132 Max Fischer
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Sory to disrupt your echo chamber, sir.

Buy Silver, Crash JPM !!!!

Feel better?


Sun, 05/06/2012 - 02:02 | 2400147 Al Gorerhythm
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Can you please reverse your initials so that it makes more sense to call you a Fabian Moron?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:48 | 2400166 francis_sawyer
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Sorry to disrupt your 'non sequitur' rantings... But the thread is with regards to unnecessary wars... WTF does "Buy Silver, Crash JPM" have to do with that?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:49 | 2400169 ATM
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Hey, dumb fuck.
No person needs to own a car and drive as part of their citizenry, but you want to believe that being required to buy health insurance as part of being a citizen is proper and right.

There are multiple problems with your logic. The first seems to be that "health care" is a right which is of course absurd since health care is a service provided by health care workers. If indeed it is a right then health care workers can and should be forced to work 24/7 or until everyone has received their rightful care. Never mind that these human health care workers may die, they need to provide for fucks like you.

The next problem is one that was broached in the SCOTUS, that being does govt have the power to force me to buy health ins. Of course they do not legally retain that power, but we are arguing it.

The next problem is if health care is a right what happens when the health insurance compan I bought my insurance from fails? Does my right end?

Our problems are far deeper but this bullshit about rights to a product are bullshit, a product provided by another citizen. You are a fucking shill, wanna be piece of shit who will end up along with the rest of those who seek to enslave us, probably hanging from a rope or cowering in a basement corner.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:25 | 2400508 NewWorldOrange
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Max is already cowering in a basement corner. That's what common trolls do.

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