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One Simple Rule To Stop Unnecessary Wars

I’m sick of war.

Officially the cost of the war on terror has been $1.3 trillion. And military spending — especially the interest on debt to pay for past wars — keeps growing year on year:

As General Eisenhower noted:

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

 

This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

The cost in life was been ever steeper; over a million Iraqis died.

But it’s more than cost; this a problem of responsibility. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney live a comfortable life of wealth and leisure, four years after leaving office having started two destructive, costly and ineffective wars of choice. They didn’t fight. None of their children fought. But lots of American and British soldiers and innocent Arabs got their limbs and heads blown off.

Of course, military deterrence — and sometimes military action — is necessary.

As Eisenhower noted:

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

The trouble is that war is a great excuse for weapons contractors to make lots of money, and weapons contractors happily fund war-mongering politicians into power. That’s the self-perpetuating military industrial complex.

So the problem then lies in differentiating the necessary actions from the unnecessary.

I propose a simple heuristic for this purpose, one that if introduced would also render the war-mongering politician — the Congressman who votes to authorise, or the President who signs the authorisation into law — personally responsible:

If you start a war, you have to fight. If you cannot fight, then your nearest fit relative has to fight.

This puts the skin back into the game. You want to risk blood and treasure to start a war? If it’s that important, you’ll put your body and blood on the line before you ask any soldier to fight, or any taxpayer to pay. If not, then it must not be necessary.

Would George W. Bush have started the Iraq war had he known his two daughters would be conscripted, and shipped off to Iraq to find Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction?

I doubt it.

 


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Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Whoever makes money off of it is to be on the frontlines.

Same goes for the medias talking heads. Propagandize for war?? You gonna go on the frontlines.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065534/

The Challenge (1970)

All-out war between the United States and an Asian country is averted when the two sides agree to settle their differences by each choosing a single soldier as champion and having the two men fight to the death on an isolated island.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hEwcanGim4

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:09 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Generals should be on the frontlines too, not at the Pentagon sending people to die.

But let's be real here, none of this will ever happen.

The only way to stop war is to take out the scum running the country and go back to founders ideas that America will not get in any war unless they are attacked directly.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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lolmao500

I just thought it was a good movie to watch on a slow saturday.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:35 | Link to Comment Max Fischer
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Remember when George Bush told everyone the Iraq War would cost ~$50 billion?  Nothing was ever said of it.  Never made into a big deal.  Nothing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/washington/19cost.html?_r=1

And yet Obama tries to help out the poor/down-trodden by mandating healthcare coverage and he's villified as a modern day Hitler who wants to kill old people with death panels.  Amazing how one president is treated differently than another. I wonder why? 

Can you only imagine if Obama started a war with the wrong country and enacted the Patriot Act? Imagine the faux McCarthyism that Faux News would generate with that! They'd summon all the gullible goons to push aside their salisbury steak teevee dinners, get off their lazy-boy chair, and rumble into Washington with their rusted-out camaros to stage a coup d'etat.

*LOL*

MF

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:52 | Link to Comment akak
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Can you only imagine if Obama started a war with the wrong country and enacted the Patriot Act? Imagine the faux McCarthyism that Faux News would generate with that! They'd summon all the gullible goons to push aside their salisbury steak teevee dinners, get off their lazy-boy chair, and rumble into Washington with their rusted-out camaros to stage a coup d'etat.

Rather richly ignorant of you, given that Obomba has not only continued the occupation of Afghanistan and escalated the Bush-era neocon warmongering threats against Iran, but has already signed the so-called "National Defense Authorization Act", which among other choice grabs at power allows the PRESIDENT to indefinitely detain ANY American merely on his word that they are a "terrorist threat" (such as future protesters?), not to mention having previously declared, in an executive order, that the president has the power to assassinate ANY American whom the president has unilaterally pronounced as a similar "terrorist threat", without verdict or trial, in the finest tradition of authoritarian tyrants throughout history.  And FOX News, not to mention EVERY other corporate-controlled media outlet, has been noticeably silent on these matters.

When are statist simpletons like you ever going to wise up to the red team/blue team, good cop/bad cop shtick already?  Obomba = Bush = Clinton = Bush.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Max Fischer
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Another up arrow within seconds of your post!

*LOL*

mf

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:25 | Link to Comment akak
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And again, no logical rebuttals or rational response, just snarky and juvenile diversion from the facts and the argument at hand.

Why are you so congenitally incapable of acknowledging when you have been intellectually bested, time after time? (Not to mention, each and EVERY time.)

You are one of the most disingenuous, dishonest, arrogant, antagonistic, malicious fucking trolls ever to have cursed this forum.

 

Max Fischer, Uncivil Coatimundi

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:28 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak said:

Max Fischer, Uncivil Coatimundi

Maxine Fischer, Harena in Femina Genitalibus


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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Max Fischer the little NKVD bitch.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Michael
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The military industrial complex sure played a major role in bankrupting the country.  I'm going to laugh my ass off at what happens to them when the complete and total economic collapse of the USA takes them down with the rest of the nation.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 00:29 | Link to Comment Xkwisetly Paneful
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Yea and I'll LMAO the first time jew hater is actually accurate about one single, solitary thing.

Go have more kids and give the ignorance a wider berth.

 

How would zerobrains.com fare without war exactly?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 04:45 | Link to Comment prole
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Well for starters without a war-economy we wouldn't have paid trolls like your fake ass and Maxine Fischer Trollus Stupidus Mundi

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Xkwisetly Paneful
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The next time one of you total and complete fucking morons finds a want ad for paid posters.

Please relay it along.

Stupid ignorant blissful world where anyone tapping the glass is obviously being paid.

What are you people like 12yo or something? Sounds about right, can't think for yourselves,

and anyone who disagrees was paid to do so.

 

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Xkwisetly Paneful
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Since I am not an acclaimed PHD it takes me a while to get stuff.

Like the fact that you are a paid poster.

Being an academic fukktard means non stop self promotion.

But thanks for playing.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Having a Ph.D, in other words you watch Dr. Phil, ain't exactly a good thing around here anyway.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Maghreb
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Accusing Xkwisetly Paneful of bieng a paid troll is an insult to all the paid trolls. Personally i've had my suspicions about certain people. Some of the lunatics on Prison planet (Recon Sniper) ranting and raving 24/7 on every post make me feel its a straw man job. Guy says hes a disabled war vet and spends the whole day cursing out Jews and ethnics. Gives Alex Jones Libertarian outfit a bad name. Certain pro Zionist elements on AJE (Al Jazeera) forums seem to be fighting the good fight a little too often trying to talk down the anti Israel group and seem to have no real ideological basis. Fishcher could be a paid troll and he's a pretty good one if so. But he isn't being paid by millitary, he's more likely a Democrat partisan bitching Bush and saluting Obama. Election coming up, maybe they have a budget for this who knows.......If hes not kudos to him for showing up and arguing on "enemy turf" and not preaching to the choir on Huff Post or CNN.

First two thing you need to understand about a paid troll from what i've heard and seen is that they are....

Paid.....probably a pittance and couldn't find a job doing something for real. Were talking journalism washout from some ideological college (University set up by Heritage Foundation might be a good example). Guys are probably heavily in debt just trying to make ends meet not too clever. Multiple accounts, alway around in some form or another. Not intellectual power houses or very experienced. Most importantly dishonest. Deep down they won't make any sense because of this. man says hes a Paeloconservative against immigration but then says hes an Israel firster and against gun rights. Individual rights would be his "ideology" but instead he takes snippets from his party line to make that shit taste better. How can you be an Israeli firster beleiving in the sovereignty of the Nation state and its role in protecting individual rights and not start raising questions when your government takes tax money and gives it to a another country.Same thing when Democrats say a women has the right to privacy and thus an abortiong but the Feds can tap our phones. There are always clear logical fallacies in their messages because they don't truly beleive or understand anything.

Secondly they out to discredit the views of the site they are sent to........They aint going to pay a guy to go Amren and write "Niggers are out off control!" theres already a thousand people posting the same thing (though some may be the writers them selves to keep comments on topic). THey do this in two ways guys like Berg or Uzi on AJE forums are constantly denoucing the AJE news service. First alarm bells is when they show up only on a few topics (mainly) Israel a describe the exact opposite situation. I sometimes think these guys are there working for AJE to get more hits and refreshes which translates tomore add money. Secondly their are the strawmen unhinged religious  fundementalists, odious racists and the borderline psychotic. Alot of these on Prison Planet. A few here i think Spirit of Truth spamming links to his John birch socitey meets Raiders of the Lost Ark blog.

They are most certainly out there and here is how i try to look out for them. Paid bloggers are fine by me but the bastards out to spam nonsense are worse than the MSM in my opinion.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Interesting.

Please, all, forgive for being a posting whore on this thread, but I've been drinking heavily since 8pm last night and I just read this and consider it worth definite review.

No big surprises for regular ZHers, but this shit is always worth outing, for what it's worth.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Xkwisetly Paneful
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Just so I have the hang of this:

If someone is promoting free markets but then bashes HFTS they are a paid poster?

If someone bashes fractional reserve currency all the while being an immense beneficiary of fractional reserve fiat they are a paid poster.

IF someone is promoting gold or silver while at the same time bashing fed policy, they are a paid poster.

If someone is calling the top 1% in the US greedy all the while existing themselves in the top .00000000001% of all time mankind that is a paid poster.

and on and on and on and on.

This place must be full of paid posters.

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 02:59 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Weren't you the one that ID'd Max as being another incarnation of Texas Gunslinger (and all the other aliases)?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 00:47 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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Hi Max...

Just stopped by to say Fuck You shit for brains.

Have a nice day.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:30 | Link to Comment NewWorldOrange
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Say Max Fischer. You just said to one poster, "Another up arrow within seconds of your post!"

So, you're so desperately anxious to see if you've stirred the pot that you hover your quivering finger over the refresh button, tapping it as fast as you can...Drama queen much?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:59 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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Don't forget the bombing of Libya and the ongoing bombing of Pakistan, where tens of thousands of innocent civilians have been killed. I wonder of Michelle Obomber will be sent to the front lines in place of the Holy One

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:22 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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Libya, Pakistan ... You also neglect to mention Yemen and Somalia. All "interventions" that began under the Obama regime.  

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:28 | Link to Comment akak
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All egregious oversights on my part, agreed.

"Oh, but he's a Democrat, that means he's anti-war!" 

LOL!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Crassus
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"It's time for a new Middle East, it's time to say to those who do not want a different kind of Middle East that we will prevail; they will not."

- Condoleezza Rice, U.S. Secretary of State, Beirut, 07-25-2006.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Aziz
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Condi and Michelle Obama better get strapped up and ready to fight for that mideast freedom, then!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Max Fischer
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There's a rather significant difference between "interventions" in Somalia/Yemen/Pakistan versus Bush's/Haliburton's war for Iraqi oil, wouldn't you say?  Or do you think the killing of Osama is the same as Bush's 10 year war on Iraq?

MF

 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:39 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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Max Fischer the little NKVD bitch. The boot lickers are always the most preverted.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 23:15 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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look at the origins of the iraq war.  you don't find the oil industry, you find zionists.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century 

bush and cheney aren't oil industry.  they're politicians.

obama, with about the exception of the appointment of sotomayor, has been the third term of g.w. bush.   

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment MajorWoody
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Max rocks, gotta keep these rednecks on their toes, even if they're Yankees!

Go Max

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Charles Bishop ...
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 That's "war', Max--don't want anyone to confuse it with "WAR!" (you know, the O-fficial, sanctioned, approved-by-congress-and-all-the-holy-men type "War."It's all the same sanctioned slaughter; but  through the miracle of Racist Bullshit(tm)it all  seems somehow WORSE when a "black' man is issuing the orders to" roll "against the Enemies Of The State(tm)on behalf of the Corporatocracy Of Amurrica(tm) and its subsidiaries.

It doesn't matter what color he is-we're sealed  inside  Gen. Smedley Butler's worst nightmare; and there are self-serving  assholes with power and money  making sure the escape hatch is welded shut. Once again, Heinlein is GOD.The current situation we find ourselves strapped into could have been prevented by a short perusal of Starship Troopers by all concerned parties:"Everyone fights-no one stays home. " if we LIVED by this rule, we'd be living far less exciting lives, mostly involving stacking PM's, working out, and eating right. War would be an exhibit you took the kids to see at the Museum of Bad Ideas on a Sunday. But the people who run the world don't want it that way; they prefer to fight over obsolete fuel sources to the death , utilizing the bodies of dumbed -down American cannon fodder to shore up the gaps in their portfolios.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:06 | Link to Comment rocker
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I agree with the poster. I also say the "Draft" must be applied in all wars egaging a 50,000 or more commitment.

Use the lottery and "NO" dodgers. If you refuse, you must go to jail and do public work.  Chain gangs.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:18 | Link to Comment Jendrzejczyk
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I nominate you to go in my child's place. If you refuse my generous offer, you go to jail and work on a chain gang.

(Did I miss the sarc tag again?)

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:40 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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I nominate that he, and the bankers who extend the credit to the arms manufactures, are all conscripted and frog-marched itno the front line, with regulars behind them, bayonets at the ready, just in case they turn and run.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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Why it is not our war they started it so they can fight it , dont try and make me go and fight in a war that I do not give a shit about ,and i will not support , if everyone took that attitude there would be no wars.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment SheHunter
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Great article TD. I've thought for some time that the day we put women in the front of the front line to be shot, maimed and mind-screwed like our male soldiers that is the day politicians will think maybe twice before giving the aye to third world invasions.  But I missed the vital link in this thinking- the politicians' daughters and wives would not go into these wars.  So your scenario is right on.  High five.

~SheHunter

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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Tyler, can you please reintroduce the math questions?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Acorn10012
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I would so do those two girls...from behind of course.

TD - seriously, can you do something about the idiots that post nonsense?

Love the articles!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Quick!

2 + 2 = ??

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:36 | Link to Comment Acorn10012
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Gonna let this one go. Don't want to get it wrong and ban myself from the site.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:51 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Good answer. Room 101, on the left.

If you can't find it, I have a tall serving of vitamin High-Fructose Corn Syrup for you. Endless pleasures.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:01 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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That pretty much shows the stupidity of the obots. Nobody can mandate healthcare unless the doctors and nurses are forced to become slaves. Obotcare madates that everyone must BUY insurance. It was written by the insurance industry, something that you brainless obots are just too plain stupid to understand.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:02 | Link to Comment Max Fischer
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That's dumb.

Car insurance is mandated... does that mean sales reps from Geico are slaves?

Idiot.

MF.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:05 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Instead of reading dumb ass Max Fischer comments... How about some Clancy Brothers "Waltzing Matilda" to speak about war...

~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB240XZ96EM

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:18 | Link to Comment Max Fischer
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Sory to disrupt your echo chamber, sir.

Buy Silver, Crash JPM !!!!

Feel better?

MF

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 02:02 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Can you please reverse your initials so that it makes more sense to call you a Fabian Moron?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:48 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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@MF

Sorry to disrupt your 'non sequitur' rantings... But the thread is with regards to unnecessary wars... WTF does "Buy Silver, Crash JPM" have to do with that?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:49 | Link to Comment ATM
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Hey, dumb fuck.
No person needs to own a car and drive as part of their citizenry, but you want to believe that being required to buy health insurance as part of being a citizen is proper and right.

There are multiple problems with your logic. The first seems to be that "health care" is a right which is of course absurd since health care is a service provided by health care workers. If indeed it is a right then health care workers can and should be forced to work 24/7 or until everyone has received their rightful care. Never mind that these human health care workers may die, they need to provide for fucks like you.

The next problem is one that was broached in the SCOTUS, that being does govt have the power to force me to buy health ins. Of course they do not legally retain that power, but we are arguing it.

The next problem is if health care is a right what happens when the health insurance compan I bought my insurance from fails? Does my right end?

Our problems are far deeper but this bullshit about rights to a product are bullshit, a product provided by another citizen. You are a fucking shill, wanna be piece of shit who will end up along with the rest of those who seek to enslave us, probably hanging from a rope or cowering in a basement corner.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:25 | Link to Comment NewWorldOrange
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Max is already cowering in a basement corner. That's what common trolls do.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 02:24 | Link to Comment Zero Debt
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The ugly part of your reasoning is that you diverge from basic freedom principle by running away with an incorrect definition of slavery and mocking others for it. In a free society, you can't hurt other people. But you can hurt yourself. There are many cases where insurance for third parties is mandatory, and this is because others may only get hurt while you may make a profit, regardless of someone gets hurt: during construction, events, vehicle use, etc. When you expose others to a risk and only you benefit, then those others are paying a potential cost for which they cannot profit. That is a potential, and sometimes actual, transfer of wealth, with some probability. and cost. Over time, this cost has to be transferred back because it is essentially a theft of their freedom. If an uninsured reckless driver hurts others, it diminishes their freedom without giving them any benefit. The insurance actually restores their freedom by a reverse transfer of wealth.

When you start to mix car (vehicle) insurance and health care, you confusing third party ("you can't hurt other people") with first party ("you can hurt yourself"). If it would be mandatory to insure yourself when driving from hurting yourself, that would be an outrage, for the same reason.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment Umh
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Car insurance is not mandated in Virginia for one place. You need to check your references and think about what you're saying more.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment LongBallsShortBrains
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.... And in many states, only proof of financial responsibility is sufficient.

It is hard to get through to those who see services and goods as rights.
I have a liberal friend who thinks all food should be free... When I ask him why he wants to enslave farmers, his reply is " I think we should pay them more".. When I point out to him that we will waste so much food if we do that because everybody wants to eat the filet mignon and nobody wants the hamburger, he tells me how much he loves hamburgers.. Libtard logic. We don't need all of those polluting farms and feed lots. Just get your meat at the grocery store .... That's their thinking. That's why we are here. It is because they care more than you... You would let those poor people go without health insurance.

Why not mandate hunger insurance?
In case you get hungry.
Then nobody will ever starve....
Even the farmers can quit farming and just buy hunger insurance.

Maybe middle class insurance ? No more poor people!

Can somebody sell us some stupidity insurance?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment AustriAnnie
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The point being ignored here, is that Obama's wish to mandate healthcare requires war to fund it.

You can't have the spending on healthcare without the cheap oil.  Only with war can the cheap oil keep the debt machine going so that dollars can be transfered (by force) from individuals to healthcare/insurance providers.

No war means no cheap oil means no dollar printing ponzi means no giveaways to corporations through mandatory transfers of printed 'wealth'.

Democrats who hate Obama's war stance fail to see the fact that their entitlement spending requires ongoing war.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:45 | Link to Comment CPL
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Salisbury Pink Slime TV Dinners with a brownie.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment The Laughing Man
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Can you only imagine if Obama started a war with the wrong country...

I'm sorry, you must've had your head buried in the sand when we went into Libya last year... and yes we DID go to Libya. We had troops on the ground and gave who knows how much air support and supplies to the rebels fighting Ghaddafi. Obama and the dems whine and whine over our involvement (and CONTINUED INVOLVEMENT UNDER HIS WATCH) in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet nobody gives him any flak for furthering and ultimately deciding the outcome of a CIVIL WAR in another country.

And the biggest insult is that to this day, the Obama administration has not submitted any of the paperwork it was supposed to in order to justify our intervention past the first couple months... and again, no flak whatsoever.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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It's a welfare-warfare system. It goes far beyond the arms industry or oil manufacturers. America's huge "defense" (offense) budget means we're the the bully of last resort, which insures that imperial tribute flows inward and not outward. It's one of the major reasons why America can be so prosperous despite 40+ million on the dole, 40+ million employed by federal/state/local governments or directly dependent on govt contracts, untold millions busy at work creating non-productive hype-fluff like Groupon, etc. The financial markets are only the veneer. Everyone in the world knows that the U.S. financial markets are terminally broken but no one wants to call us on our bullshit lest 4 aircraft carriers show up in their "neighborhood" in a few weeks.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:58 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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While founded, dangerous path to go.

Remember, in US citizenism, war is the making of the elite. Only the elite.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:29 | Link to Comment akak
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I thought that according to your cockamamie theory of "US Citizenism", everything is controlled by and for the middle class?

Behold how the storyline changes with every telling!  But logical consistency is not the hallmark of Chinese Citizenism, which is to say, bigotry and blind nationalistic prejudice.

But please, carry on --- you are most amusing!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 22:01 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Behold how the storyline changes with every telling!

Yeah, one of his weirdo Confusian sayings is, "in US citizenism, the middle class is the king class."

Except when they're cannon fodder for the reptilians in charge.

But logical consistency is not the hallmark of Chinese Citizenism, which is to say, bigotry and blind nationalistic prejudice.

True, at least to us, but of course we're viewing everything through the rose colored glasses of US citizenism, so we are automatically incorrect in all of our perceptions, decisions, judgements, opinions, and actions.

We may believe that US citizenism and Chinese citizenism are total bullshit concepts, but that's because US citizenism has taken control of the mind of every American and thus forced us to create the fantasy of Chinese citizenism. Our thoughts are not even our own, they're just pre-programmed US citizenism commands. We are nothing more than somnambulatory robots, slaves to our own middle class kingly existence. We cannot help but to be always wrong about everything and can never change for the better, so it is proper for AnAnonymous, who is always correct about everything, to condemn all Americans endlessly.

 

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 00:52 | Link to Comment akak
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Thank you, good sir, for clarifying that situation.

Now I can go to sleep comfortably tonight, on my bed made from the bones of cannibalized Chinese orphans, before another busy day of planning further adventures in world conquest all in the name of Wall Street and the US middle class.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:37 | Link to Comment smb12321
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If you know anything about the military you should know that almost universally they counsel AGAINST war for the obvious reason the article points out - they're the ones who will have to do the actual fighting.   In the last few decades, politics has trumped military advice on unconstitutional "conflicts". 

And it's hard.  When you see folks slaughtered in Syria or exterminated in Bosnia, the normal human reaction is to help stop the suffering.  But in almost every case we end up worse than when we entered.   

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 04:55 | Link to Comment prole
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Classic Troll flim-flam technique!

Make some general comments which "go with the flow" of the vibe of the thread, then WHAM! Folks exterminated in Bosnia! You want to help!!

Dear Mz. Joli-Pitt, yes folks were exterminated in Bosnia, also in Kosovo, the Kraina, throughout Yugoslavia in fact. They were the Christians and they were exterminated by the US Air Force, HATO, and their pet Islamics, along with The Croatians who didn't hesitate to solve their little "Orthodox Christian Problem" when they got the chance.

Not that you give a fuck

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Elwood P Suggins
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Stop wars?  Boy someone really wants to piss Krugman off!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 21:23 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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War is giggity giggity fun till you, personally or your family get blown the fuck up.  Since we haven't had that happen for about 100 years, dum American cunts are much in favor of war...despite the fact that we haven't won one since '45.

But hey, keep it up. The worm will turn...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 04:59 | Link to Comment prole
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If you call that a "win" Rafter man, considering we were on the wrong side.

It was a clear win for Stalin, other than that I'm not so sure...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment batterycharged
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Only problem, the people that would create this law....are paid by the Military Industrial Complex.

That's the problem that most people seem to fail to understand about politics. Politics is not about solving problems, it's about fighting for your goodies. It's about making laws that benefit YOU, not society.

You hear dogma, but it's always hollow. Politicians have no morals or ethics, but they sure try to pretend they do.

Health insurance companies, the military IC, banks, wall street, oil companies...we'll never have good solutions to these problems because the folks making boatloads of money in these industries essentially write the laws that govern them.

Next time you hear some politician call Obama a socialist or Romney a fascist, realize they are neither. They aren't respectable enough to be called such names.

All politicians are bitches, and they do what their sugar daddies tell them to do....without an ounce of ethical bias behind it.

Policy debate is for talk radio and cable news. There is no such thing as "policy".

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Offtheradar
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Since my family fucking sucks, I'm let them fight, preferrably to the death. 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Timmay
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All the politicians will just adopt robots and send them.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment CH1
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State fight - always.

No state = No war. Crime will remain, war won't.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:09 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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WAR =Organized Terrorism.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:26 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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War is the same as printing money... it is nothing more than corporate welfare designed to keep the ponzi going........

 

End the petrodollar system and the wars end.............

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 05:11 | Link to Comment prole
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If you want to end the silly Orwellian wars of aggression 'we' start today the method is simple--

Anyone, upon winning an election for Senate, Congress, Totus, or Cabinet position, or Flag rank, shall  also have their own children entered into combat units overseas in whatever the "hot spot" of the era is, and if their kids are under 18, they can be placed in ROTC units headed for career-track soldier, male or female.

It would be a total reversal of our Vietnam system, where the sons of privelege like the Shrub, Cheney, basically all of them, family connections kept them out of the service entirely, or if technically in Uniform, at least a million miles away from the battlefield.

Jennette Busch driving a humvee in the Kandahar rice paddies, Little Bomber girls in a JROTC red-brigades unit learning how to shoot a rifle, heading to Frontline duty in the Iranian occupation upon age 18 = All wars end in one day.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment mickeyman
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This is true. Imagine how little trouble Hitler could have started if he were only the mayor of Munich, and Stalin the mayor of Moscow.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:01 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The unbeatable US citizen capability to dismiss reality at hand.

Because the war on terror waged by US citizens is a state vs state war? Yes, states are involved but most of them are on the side on US citizen societies.

Running an extortion/farming business comes with constraints but the constraints do not include that the extorted are organized around a state.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/05/mitt_romney_issues_oh...

Dear Mr. President,

Welcome to Ohio. I have a simple question for you: Where are the jobs?

As we enter the fourth year of your term, unemployment is over 8 percent and has been for your entire term. Nearly 23 million men and women are unemployed, underemployed or are no longer even looking for work. In the face of such challenges, many Americans have simply given up hope.

...

Sincerely,

Mitt Romney

 

Dear Mittens

What the fuck dude!

I understand no one wants to take credit for the REAL number of unemployed. It does taint both parties and makes you responsible during the next voting cycle.

Brother maybe your staff should read articles like this

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/there-are-100-million-workin...

There Are 100 Million Working Age Americans That Do Not Have Jobs

or

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-official-st-louis-feds-not-labor-force...

St. Louis Fed's "Not In Labor Force" Data Is Now Officially Off The Chart

 

20 million is a gross underestimation and you really need to fire the staffers responsible for such an idiotic statistic.

Yours truly

America

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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We can only be grateful that he is not fixing our cars.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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...and don't forget during the Civil War...you could PAY someone to go fight for you. FUCK THAT. FULL MOTHER FUCKING DRAFT NO EXEMPTIONS! Ooooo you wrote for your high school paper? So what, infantry for you! You tested high? Ah, all pilot slots are full. Minesweepers for you!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 02:18 | Link to Comment psychobilly
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A draft is for slaves.  You are, literally, a slave if you ever allow yourself to be conscripted.

Only someone with the mentality of a slave would advocate for a draft.

Even if you voluntarily join, you are still a slave once you sign on the dotted line.

I'll be the one pointing and laughing at you while you go off and get yourself killed on behalf of some craven, idiot politicians.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 02:15 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Full MFing Draft, no exceptions.

You first.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:10 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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I believe you misunderstood; I meant those who promote and vote for war get drafted-with no exemptions.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 02:34 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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pologies.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment Vampyroteuthis ...
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What has changed? The Iraqi War was my generation's equivalent of Vietnam. Dirty politicians learned from Vietnam though, no draft kept the masses from large protests. Disgusting to the core!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:57 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Why draft, when you can just be the only employer hiring? Shit, people would protest if they can't get in nowdays, they are all weened on Call of Duty. 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:27 | Link to Comment Vampyroteuthis ...
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TDS, I think that is referred to as an economic draft.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 21:28 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Yea TDS what is coming is...cannot pay those student loans? Bummer. But tell you what, you 'volunteer' for a tour and we'll just put you loans in forebearance, give you a stipend, and after 6 years, fogive half your debt!!! What a deal!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Acorn10012
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That is brilliiant. Pirates to steal loot and thinning the herd at the same time.

Indentured indeed!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:55 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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Blessed be the peacemakers....J. Christ.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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http://hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/aa032503a.htm

The Bhagavad Gita & War
The story of Arjuna, the fabled bowman of the Mahabharata, brings out Lord Krishna's view of war in the Gita. The great battle of Kurukshetra is about to begin. Krishna drives Arjuna's chariot drawn by white horses into the centre of the battlefield between the two armies. This is when Arjuna realizes that many of his kinsmen and old friends are among the ranks of the enemy, and is appalled by the fact that he is about to kill those he loves. He is unable to stand there any longer, refuses to fight and says that he does not "desire any subsequent victory, kingdom, or happiness." Arjuna questions, "How could we be happy by killing our own kinsmen?"

Krishna in order to persuade him to fight, reminds him that there is no such act as killing. He explains that the "atman" or soul is the only reality; the body is simply an appearance, its existence and annihilation are illusory. And for Arjuna, a member of the "Kshatriya" or the warrior caste, fighting the battle is 'righteous'. It is a just cause and to defend it is his duty or dharma.

"…if you are killed (in the battle) you will ascend to heaven. On the contrary if you win the war you will enjoy the comforts of earthly kingdom. Therefore, get up and fight with determination… With equanimity towards happiness and sorrow, gain and loss, victory and defeat, fight. This way you will not incur any sin." (The Bhagavad Gita)

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Do not weep for them, for they are already dead.........

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Do not weep for them, for they are already dead.........

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 03:13 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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He who thinks he can kill and he who thinks he can be killed are under the same delusion...

Dharma:

Dharma:  What is heavier than earth, higher than heavens, faster than the wind and more numerous than straws?

Yudhishthira:  One's mother is heavier than the earth; one's father is higher than the mountains.  The mind is faster than wind and our worries are more numerous than straws.

Dharma:  Who is the friend of a traveler?  Who is the friend of one who is ill and one who is dying?

Yudhishthira:  The friend of a traveler is his companion.  The physician is the friend of one who is sick and a dying man's friend is charity.

Dharma:  What is that which, when renounced, makes one lovable? What is that which is renounced makes happy and wealthy?

Yudhishthira:  Pride, if renounced makes one lovable; by renouncing desire one becomes wealthy; and to renounce avarice is to obtain happiness.

Dharma: What enemy is invincible?  What constitutes an incurable disease?  What sort of man is noble and what sort is ignoble?

Yudhishthira:  Anger is the invincible enemy.  Covetousness constitutes a disease that is incurable.  He is noble who desires the well-being of all creatures, and he is ignoble who is without mercy.

Dharma: Who is truly happy? What is the greatest wonder? What is the path? And what is the news?

Yudhishthira:  He who has no debts is truly happy.  Day after day countless people die.  Yet the living wish to live forever.  O Lord, what can be a greater wonder?  Argument leads to no certain conclusion, the Srutis are different from one another; there is not even one Rishi whose opinion can be accepted by all; the truth about Dharma and duty is hid in caves of our heart: therefore, that alone is the path along which the great have trod.  This world full of ignorance is like a pan.  The sun is fire, the days and nights are fuel.  The months and the seasons constitute the wooden ladle. Time is the cook that is cooking all creatures in that pan (with such aids); this is the news.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:00 | Link to Comment OMG
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Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that all to the poor
Yeah!

Time will tell them they are power blind
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes
Yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercies for their sins
Satan laughing, spreads his wings
OH LORD YEAH!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:09 | Link to Comment WmMcK
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Love the first couplet, rhyming a word with itself -- Classic Sabbath.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2KKESEJxRU&feature=related Sky Pilot Lyrics

Performed by The Animals

He blesses the boys as they stand in lin

The smell of gun grease and the bayonets they shine
He's there to help them all that he can
To make them feel wanted he's a good holy man

Sky pilot, sky pilot
How high can you fly
You'll never, never, never reach the sky

He smiles at the young soldiers tells them it's all right
He knows of their fear in the forthcoming fight
Soon there'll be blood and many will die
Mothers and fathers back home they will cry

Sky pilot, sky pilot
How high can you fly
You'll never, never, never reach the sky

He mumbles a prayer and it ends with a smile
The order is given, they move down the line
But he's still behind and he'll meditate
But it won't stop the bleeding or ease the hate

As the young men move out into the battle zone
He feels good, with God you're never alone
He feels so tired and he lays on his bed
Hopes the men will find courage in the words that he said

Sky pilot, sky Pilot
How high can you fly
You'll never, never, never reach the sky

You're soldiers of God you must understand
The fate of your country is in your young hands
May God give you strength do your job real well
If it all was worth it only time it will tell

In the morning they return with tears in their eyes
The stench of death drifts up to the skies
A young soldier so ill looks at the sky pilot
Remembers the words, "Thou shalt not kill"
Sky pilot, sky pilot
How high can you fly
You never, never, never reach the sky

Sky pilot, sky pilot
How high can you fly
You never, never, never reach the sky

You never, never, never reach the sky
You never, never, never reach the sky
You never, never, never reach the sky
You never, never, never reach the sky

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:46 | Link to Comment goldinpenguin
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Another great song. Inoculated City by the Clash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P15A7jbYWYU

 

The soldier boy for his soliders pay
Obeys theeargent at arms whatever he says

The seargent will for his seargent's pay
Obeythe general order of the battle play

The generals bow to the government
Obey the charge you must not relent

What of the neighbors and the prophets in bars?
What are they saying in the publiz bazaar?
We are tired of the tune
You must not relent

At every stroke of the bell in the tower there goes
Another boy from another side

The bulletins that steady come in say those
Familiar words at the top of the hour

The jamming city increases its hum
And those terrible words continue to come

Through bras music of government hear those
Guns tattoo a roll on the drums

No-one mentions the neighboring war
No one knows what they're fighting for
We are tired of the tune
You must not relent

More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmania.com/inoculated_city_lyrics_clash_the.html
All about Clash The: http://www.musictory.com/music/Clash+The

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:58 | Link to Comment duncecap rack
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I like this one

 

BOB DYLAN LYRICS   

"Masters Of War"

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly.

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain.

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins.

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do.

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 03:18 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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"Cat's foot, iron claw,
Neuro-surgeons scream for more!
At paranoia's poison door --
Twenty first century schizoid man.

Blood rack, barbed wire
Politicians' funeral pyre:
Innocents raped with napalm fire --
Twenty first century schizoid man.

Death seed, blind man's greed,
Poets' starving, children bleed!
Nothing he's got he really needs --
Twenty first century schizoid man."

-- King Crimson, "21st Century Schizoid Man"

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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A classic.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:22 | Link to Comment Hubbs
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Dire Straits Brothers in Arms

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 01:42 | Link to Comment Milton Waddams
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Or, alternatively 

Down went the gunner, a bullet was his fate
Down went the gunner, then the gunners mate
Up jumped the sky pilot, gave the boys a look
And manned the gun himself as he laid aside The Book, shouting
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition and we'll all stay free!

 

Praise the Lord and swing into position!
Can't afford to sit around and wishin'
Praise the Lord we're all between perdition
and the deep blue sea!

 

Yes the sky pilot said it
You've got to give him credit
for a son - of - gun - of - a - gunner was he,
Shouting; 
Praise the Lord we're on a mighty mission!
All aboard, we're not a - goin' fishin;
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition and we'll all stay free!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Whiner
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Will not The Judge of the Earth do right? You betcha boobie. He will judge all them bright and shiney thangs...with the cup of wrath and severity.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:00 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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+1 cos you're the Hulk.

But, also, dewds in high school always had this on whilst pumpin' iron - I was always into U2, but I can, now, much more seriously appreciate Black Sabbath after becoming a ZHer.

I imagine you are well, with your preps, but I wish goodness and sanity to you and your fam just the same. :-)

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment KK Tipton
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Blue Oyster Cult: Make Rock Not War - YouTube - http://bit.ly/Ln0aMf

 

Moments of pleasure, in a world of pain
Working together, only to fight again
If we wait for the world leaders to decide, who will die first?
So don't wait no more!
Tell me, make rock not war! What are we dying for?
Rock not war! Nobody wins!
Rock not war! What are we trying for?
And the fools rush in, don't they,
For the grand beginning of the end!

Pulses are racing You know the blade may fall
Destinies tracing I sing to a great star-fall
And you know there's a real answer, but they've already been told
We've heard our lies being cold!

Tell me, make rock not war! What are we dying for?
Rock not war! Nobody wins!
Rock not war! What are we trying for?
And the fools rush in, don't they,
For the grand beginning of the end!

The hourglass turns over, and time is running low
Will the sandman's pollen bring sleep before we know?

Yeah, you know there's a real answer, and we've died more than been told
So don't wait no more!
Tell me, make rock not war! What are we dying for?
Rock not war! Nobody wins!
Rock not war! What are we trying for?
And the fools rush in, don't we,
For the grand beginning of the end!

Make rock not war!
Make rock not war!
Make rock not war!
Make rock not war!
Make rock not war!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:00 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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That simple heuristic does not apply to cowards who think calling themselves patriots compensates for their shortcoming in character.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:58 | Link to Comment akak
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"Patriotism" means never having to say you're sorry (for unjust, aggressive, pre-emptive and unnecessary wars).

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:02 | Link to Comment BKbroiler
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I thought gold meant never having to say you're sorry.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:06 | Link to Comment akak
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Only for preserving one's wealth from statist monetary machinations.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:06 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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dead on

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:00 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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this

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Wars should be faught in a cage fight to the death by the rulers that started it.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:04 | Link to Comment r00t61
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A war: something in which foolish young men go off to die on behalf of angry old men.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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We'll send in Hillary with a snuke.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Patriots my azzz. Send their families to fight the fucking wars, and lets see how they do, Mother Fuckers. Send Obama's kids to Iran war and see how he will come to terms.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:12 | Link to Comment knukles
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One of my uber-libtard golf buds was worrying today about the kids.  Said that in the most recent photos, there's been only one of the two.  Now he's worried that the mother living with them has started eating the little ones.  So none left soon to ship off to war.
Sadly.

I'm just wonderin' if that's a common concern amongst liberals outside of California?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:05 | Link to Comment bugs_
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bush bush bush and more bush

and some cheney

lets get some hope and change going!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Kickboxing bitcchezz. Send in the Marines and see how the little thai kid will kick his azzz. The kids eats just some rice and trains 12 hrs a day with nothing other than sheer will. Now that is what I call a real guy, bunch of pussies in the USSA now

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:31 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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I am Jobe

"The kids eats just some rice and trains 12 hrs a day with nothing other than sheer will."

When do they have time for an education?

What happens when they become too old or too injured to fight?

Who pays for them then?

Consuming just rice daily can't be good for the health.

Finally. I guess you missed the fact that the larger stronger opponent tends to win.

That's why there are weight classes.

 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:33 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I once fought against a thai kickboxer when I was in thailand a few years ago with a few friends.
He was like half my size but damn it hurted but once you get them in a good grip you've won.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Sudden Debt

John Allen of Green Dragon fame, points out that once you get into grappling the bigger stronger guy wins.

I remember watching a video of two internal stylists, TCC and something else, devolving into a grappling match.  Pretty sad.Them both wrestling around for a minute or so until broken up.




Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Hulk
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You mean like this GF? Mir vs Lesnar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSYmUtqCYeY

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 21:14 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Hulk

No, Internal stylists. The Tai Chi guys are supposed to be above the grappling thing.

People forget that once upon a time Tai Chi and it's internal brethren were considered the ultimate combat arts.

They are all about proper alignment not strength.

I read a story about the son of a famous Tai Chi guy who fought his opponent for two days eventually winning but tearing his sleve in the process. Upon telling his father he had won, the father observed the torn sleve and stated that "This is not Tai Chi".

Sad for you people raised on MMA and BJJ, all force and no subtlety.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Hulk
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MMA is the real deal GF, the perfect blend of force, technique and winning strategy mano y mano...

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Hulk

No. MMA is very limited.

It is very bad against groups and has little or no weapons technique.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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A World of "Thieving Financiers": Vendor Arithmetic, Underhanded Capitalism

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=30661

 

 

 

 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:10 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Does this mean Obama , Biden and Congress will send their kids to fight the wars ? Just asking. Now that will be good for the country.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Mitt Romney will send his roof dog to fight.....

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Whiner
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If Obammy don't eat him first.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:17 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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If I had a Dog....It would look like the Dog Obammy ate. 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2874212/posts

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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IN PREPARATION OF NATO SUMMIT: Chicago Brainwashes Grade Schoolers For New Generation Of NATO Warfare

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=30300

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment sunkeye
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ive always said or at least for the past 25 years w/ the vote to go to war every e-v-e-r-y congressperson is immediately drafted into the army and all serve in combat units til the hostilities cease

and w/ this bullsh*t executive powers war stuff 60 days of not voting on funding the frickin thing after the potus initiates hostilities same thing all members of congress go gi joe til 'it's over over there'

i'll take my chances we can make it thru the conflict w/o the 'dc 535'  if it's still war after 2 years we just vote new reps into office

who's with me?

 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:40 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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The problem is, right now it's an all volunteer Military.  You need a mandatory Draft to get people concerned about whether we should be going to War.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment CynicLaureate
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Robert Heinlein had the solution with his "27th amendment"

http://tinyurl.com/heinlein27th

1. All wars must be voted on by the people.

2. Only people eligible for military service could vote for war.

3. Everyone who voted "yes" to a war had to report for duty the next day if  war was declared.

 

Simple, no?

ps: I don't want my relatives getting elected to Congress and sending me in their place; that's slavery.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:37 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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CynicLaureate

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708414/

Star Trek: Season 1, Episode 23 A Taste of Armageddon (23 Feb. 1967) Kirk and Spock must save their ship's crew when they are declared all killed in action in a bizarre computer simulated war where the actual deaths must occur to continue.

On a mission to establish diplomatic relations at Star Cluster NGC321, Kirk and Spock beam down to planet Eminiar 7 to learn that its inhabitants have been at war with a neighboring planet for over 500 years. They can find no damage nor evidence of destruction but soon learn that their war is essentially a war game, where each planet attacks the other in a computer simulation with the tabulated victims voluntarily surrendering themselves for execution after the fact. When the Enterprise becomes a victim in the computer simulation and ordered destroyed, Kirk decides it's time to show them exactly what war means.

...

Anan 7: Once your ship was in orbit about our planet, it became a legitimate target. It has been classified destroyed by a tri-cobalt satellite explosion. All persons aboard your ship have twenty-four hours to report to our disintegration machines. In order to ensure their cooperation, I have ordered you, Captain, and your party held in custody until they surrender. If possible, we shall spare your ship, Captain, but its passengers and crew are already dead.

...

Scott: Open a channel, Lieutenant. This is the commander of the U.S.S. Enterprise. All cities and installations on Eminiar 7 have been located, identified, and fed into our fire control system. In one hour and forty-five minutes, the entire inhabited surface of your planet will be destroyed. You have that long to surrender your hostages.

...

Mea 3: If I refuse to report, and other refuse, then Vendikar would have no choice but to launch real weapons. We would have to do the same to defend ourselves. More than people would die then. A whole civilization would be destroyed. Surely, you can see that ours is the better way.
Captain James T. Kirk: No. I don't see that at all.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Turgid_Member
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CynicLaureate

Good one. Just great. Superb even.
Yes, if those were the rules, just about all wars would end.
But please be careful. For having posted that, the military
industrial complex is probably trying to round up a hit man
to take care of such truth tellers.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:15 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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yeah but that trillion trickles down somewhere right??  maybe you can make $8/hr in an ammo factory -

actually the wars aren't the problem if they were paid by cash on hand..  nah, it's the immediate debt EVERYWHERE you look that is pissing away the value of the money we are forced to use. 

There is no stopping this now, TPTB want to keep making money so their fresh money still has value ahead of the inflation curve - you will see even more crazy amounts of immediate spending as we go parabolic

 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:30 | Link to Comment Bollixed
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"actually the wars aren't the problem if they were paid by cash on hand.."

Tell that to families of those killed and see if they agree cash makes a big difference.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Our European war might just end tomorrow if the people vote for those who wish to take the euro down.

Let's pray they succeed... But I don't really count on it because in the end the bad guys always win.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment pcrs
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you can vote for whatever you want:european constitution was voted down in a referendum in Holland. The rulers just decided they knew what the consmetic changes were required by the plebs and passed it with those changes. You have no control over your controllers

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:16 | Link to Comment pcrs
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I have an other criterium:why not let the tax slaves decide if they want to fund a specific war. So the people that like the war can pay for it. Debt will also have to be repaid by those who support the war.

If you are against the war, you do not have to fund it.

Come to think of it:why do you not do that with everything:those who want it fund it, those who do not want it, will not be forced to fund it.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:48 | Link to Comment wisefool
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You do understand that 51% of americans do not pay federal income tax, and the top 1% who do, pay lower rates than the remaining 48%, yet reap exponential benefits from the war machine, right?

We now tune back to defending Yankee White SS agents for just blowing off some steam with underaged whores, 'cause they have a hard job. And dancing with the stars. Fix the tax code and you fix the majority of things wrong with USA/Rome.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:16 | Link to Comment banksterhater
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estimate is  $1 mil to FraudSt profits for every goon soldier.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:18 | Link to Comment Henry Chinaski
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End the fed. If Americans had to pay cash up front, war would be infrequent, brief and decisive.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment I am on to you
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It is a lot more simpel than meet the eye!

War is for cowards,very simpel,they send other out to die.

Peace is for Heros,they dont have to send anybody to die.

This is where we differnce,mind over matter!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:25 | Link to Comment granolageek
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No problem. Cheyney's lesbian daughter has bigger balls than he does.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 05:24 | Link to Comment prole
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OK, she can be door gunner in a Humvee in Kandahar province. Escorting Nato fuel shipments.

"War"ends in 1 day. All US troops returned to INCONUS.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:33 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Would George W. Bush have started the Iraq war had he known his two daughters would be conscripted

They accept drunk whores in the army now??

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:13 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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historically, when haven't they?

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