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Guest Post: This Is The Only Way To Change The System
Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man
This Is The Only Way To Change The System
Late in the evening on November 4, 1605, an English soldier named Guy Fawkes took up his position deep in the cellars beneath the House of Lords in London’s Westminster Palace. He was armed with 36 barrels of gunpowder and intended to blow up the building, taking King James and most Members of Parliament with it.
Fawkes was discovered hours later, just after midnight on the 5th. He was captured, interrogated, and tortured, ultimately revealing details of his co-conspirators in what became known as the Gunpowder Plot.
History never let it go. To this day, the 5th of November is still commemorated, officially as a celebration of the government’s triumph over its domestic enemies.
[As an etymological note, the word 'guy' is actually derived from Guy Fawkes; it was originally intended as a term of derision but by the 20th century evolved to its current meaning of any male.]
As you can imagine, the aftermath of the Gunpowder Plot was anything but comfortable in England. The country became an all-out police state– arrests, interrogations, and inquisitions were all commonplace as the government attempted to smoke out its enemies.
Four centuries later, not much has changed.
Earlier this week, the federal government arrested a quartet of elderly men as old as 73 on terrorism charges. Like Fawkes, they are charged with plotting attacks on politicians and government buildings.
US Attorney Sally Quillan Yates said that the case is a reminder that “we must also remain vigilant in protecting our country from citizens within our own borders who threaten our safety and security.”
In a COMPLETELY UNRELATED MATTER (naturally), major hotel chains in the United States began rolling out the ‘If you see something, say something’ Homeland Security ads across all of their properties.
As of yesterday, US-based Marriott, Sheraton, Holiday Inn, and Hilton hotels will subject their guests to short videos on the hotel welcome monitors. In this particular video, Johnny DoGood calls the police because he sees… wait for it… a man standing next to a taxi.
Meanwhile, Tennessee recently became the first to implement Homeland Security’s VIPR program statewide, essentially placing ass-grabbing TSA agents at various checkpoints along the state’s freeways.
And in just two-months’ time, you can look forward to the FBI rolling out a nationwide facial recognition program. This, after FBI Director Robert Mueller announced that the bureau would make greater use of rules which allow agents to surveil Americans, even if they have absolutely no ties to terrorism.
This police state is the ultimate slippery slope. Once you start fondling people at airports, you might as well take over the train stations… at which point you might as well do the bus stations too. And highways. Shopping malls. Sports stadiums. Grocery stores. And of course, schools… can’t forget the kids.
This only gets worse with time. Soon, any semblance of civil liberty has succumbed to Lingchi, the Chinese torture of ‘death by a thousand cuts’.
It’s understandable that people are angry and demanding change. Guy Fawkes and his co-conspirators thought they could change the system through violence. They were wrong.
And even if violent revolution does create change, it usually works out poorly. Russia got Lenin and Stalin after their revolution, France got Robespierre’s Reign of Terror… followed by Napoleon’s military dictatorship.
Others are deluded into thinking they can change the system in the voting booth… and with one year to go until the 2012 showdown, there are certainly a lot of people pinning their hopes on this idea. Most forget how surprised they are when, in election after election, their guy turns out to be just as bad as the old guy.
George Carlin once said, “When I hear a person talking about political solutions, I know I am not listening to a serious person.” He was right. Politics creates problems, not solutions.
In fact, as Rousseau outlined in his Social Contract, the very nature of government requires that people sacrifice some personal freedoms in exchange for certain conveniences. But more and more, the costs in freedom are rising, and the conveniences become rather… inconvenient.
Truthfully, elections are simply clever parlor tricks anyhow, designed to make people think they are in control. They’re not. The only thing we can actually control is what we do ourselves.
Governments are like primitive cannibals feasting on a great treasure trove of sheeple. You can’t force them out, and you can’t vote them out. But you can sure as hell starve them out. When enough people pick up and leave, essentially voting with their feet, it accelerates the system crash.
This is the only way to truly change the system.
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A summary of David Cameron's quotes from the G20 in Cannes:"Every day that the euro zone crisis continues is a day that has a chilling effect on the rest of the world economy.
"Britain will not contribute to the euro zone bailout fund and we are clear that the IMF will not contribute to the euro bailout fund either.
"Global action cannot be a substitute for concerted action by the euro zone to stand behind their currency.
"The very worst thing would be to try and cook up a number without being very specific about who was contributing what.
"The job of the IMF is to help countries in distress, not to support currency unions.
"The world can't wait for the euro zone to through endless questions and changes about this."
"You can't ask the IMF, nor should you, nor ever would I, ask the IMF to put its money into a euro zone bail out fund - that wouldn't be right.
"Britain will not invest in a euro zone bailout fund. Britain will not invest in the IMF, so the IMF can invest in a euro zone bailout fund. That is not going to happen.
"If you go back to our last increase in IMF resources, there was a parliamentary vote. That vote allowed for some extra headroom and what we'd anticipate doing would be within that headroom." by Reuters_RossChainey edited by Reuters_RossChainey 10:20 AM
The American Revolution was violent.
you need to change the tense of your verb....I think you meant to say, "The American revolution will be violent."
This is nonsense. Voting CAN be effective, but only if you vote for the RIGHT people. We need to start voting for compassionate politicians who care deeply about their constituents. We need to set higher standards for our elected leaders by asking the following questions:
1. Are they going to be strong leaders and protect us from terrorists who hate our freedom?
2. Do they consider the poor and disadvantaged in their speeches?
3. Are they passionately patriotic and willing to put America first?
4. Are they charismatic and able to connect with the electorate?
If we start setting higher standards for our politicians, we will start getting the results we want. It's up to all Americans to start DEMANDING more from their politicians. THIS is what will put us back on the road to recovery.
hey pal, like George Carlin said, "If voting changed anything, it would be illegal."
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy
from the ONLY President to try to stop the wholesale robbery of "We the People thru inflation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110
For 40 years things have gotten worse and worse.. Protests waste the energy of "We the People" and give "the powers that be" a chance to locate the leaders and arrest / kill / silence them.
It is time that Change Occurred for the betterment of ALL!
400 People own more than 150 Million others and we all know that it is multiples worse than that because of the offshore structures that protect the identity of who really owns the most.
I know most of you old fucks who played along with the Fraud for the past 40 - 50 years and stole a great living from the rest of the working class think you are entitled to enjoy the spoils of your War waged against the less fortunate.. but know this!
We Do NOT! Forget!
and.. more importantly!
WE ARE COMING!
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but.. But! BUT!! dont you see! justice is being served!
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didnt YOU! know the only thing between Wall Street and the Pitch Forks was Obama's Administration?
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Simon Black live in lala land - he wants 300 million US citizens to "vote with their feet" - i.e. leave the US to send their government a message - "the only way to change things"...
no, friends, the French got it right, including Robespiere - kill the rotten scum elite and their henchmen - THAT is the only way - The French revolution's slogan: "Liberte, fraternite, egalite" gets it right - the US doesn't, because "justice" is bought and without brotherhood and "egalite", there will be no freedom.
So, brothers, kille the elite by boycotting ALL their ventures, corporations and institutions.
He's talking his book as always...nothing wrong with that.
Obviously he's talking his book - fuck him and his book - I'm talking truth.
Truth or delusion - your pick.
Kill the rich, wipe out all debt, free the world.
Something wrong here "Eureka" why kill the rich? There are rich who are with you.
It is the uber-rich who control governments, it is the bankers who brake laws, it is the politicians who sell their soul that you should revolt against, not the honest guy next door who worked hard and has the million dollar house.
Being so indiscriminate, you are not being taken seriously. Rethink
"Kill the rich..."
Shouldn't we define what "rich" is first? Last year it was 200k and above...what changed?
Ok, you get along with that, and when you've finished fixing your society, I'll give a consideration to living there.
Simon Black live in lala land - he wants 300 million US citizens to "vote with their feet"
La La Land, with its weak, ineffective government is the perfect destination for an (ex) citizen who leans more to the internal flight impulse rather than the fight impulse.
Fight mean civil war, the worst and most devastating of all wars.
Even 1 million relatively well-off leaving sends a powerful message; the only thing is that the door is closing fast; foreign banks won't open accounts for you any more. For the initial escape, you'll have to trust a friend who is already there.
True. If voting really worked, then Ron Paul would not be getting marginalized and relegated to the sidelines by the MSM. The only 'choice' we will get in the coming election are candidates that have been completely vetted by TPTB. Right now, on the Repub side of the picture, it is Romney and Cain. This whole thing with Cain lately is a rouse the sheeple sympathy ploy. Rally the troops! What a farce! Two entities hold all the cards; Wall Street and the military industrial complex. Paul has annoyed both by demanding the Fed be abolished on the one hand and that the wars be stopped and troops brought home on the other. A grass roots campaign that talks straight with the voters is the only chance he has. I just hope the voters actually ignore all the misdirection and do some thinking this time around.
Ron Paul has five problems:
If it was not for number "4&5", he could have been your next president hands down.
I'd say it was the first three that has held his candidacy back. The kids don't seem to mind he's old, and that he doesn't come off as being a slickster ends up being a rather endearing trait.
6. His party will never nominate him
That relegates his candidacy to an independent ticket, which is the steepest of up-hills.
Thinking of Southpark here. Turd versus Douchebag. LOL.
You almost got me. Then I remembered the sarcastic wit from previous posts...
Do you real try to be an idiot or are you simply just an idiot?
You forgot to include Did they attend the right Ivy League Universities
...ummm...don't need the work "right" in that sentence. Oh...and do they brunch on Sunday and read the NYT's? Another "must-do" for the elite tribe...
You really called this one in...total weak sauce. Your schtick only works if you bother to put some effort into it, thus, I give you a junk for the first time in weeks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIlN2PHOfyE
I'm starting to like this guy. I'm using his posts as the perfect exposure of the sheeple's thinking.
Best political speech ever, by Tammy Metzler in the movie Election : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh3TXsx8B40
In boxing, when organized crime members realized that their efforts to fixing fights were failing tragically, their corrosive efforts focused more effectively on the judges. The same can be found in basketball as point shaving and the athletes went south, referees become the ire of corruption. This idea can be easily translated to politics….when cheating can’t be accomplished through the rules, focus on the players when the authorizes get wise, become the authorizes.
As if voting makes a difference...same policies just a different face. Why are there 47 levels of top secret above the president ??? Hmm..maybe the president isn't in charge!!!
million dolla you are one of the most consistently funny posters , not least because of all the commenters who think you are serious and reply indignantly.
no sacrcasm . thanks for your posts scarecrow.
America was founded on the vote with your feet system. It was built on the vote for the man system. Didn't hang enough IMO.
You can vote with your feet without leaving your own neighborhood. Stop doing business with the usual suspects, support locally owned stores and small banks (if you bank at all). Deal with people directly and trade/barter as much as you can. Off the grid transactions will starve the local gov't beast. They say all politics is local? Well, so is the economy. With a finely tuned lifestyle you can eliminate your need to vote at all. What "they" do will be of no consequence in your life. If you are a closely-packed urban dweller -- you're screwed. Move to a more conducive location and carry on. One does not even have to have a "job" to make a living.
Change the system with WHAT?
MDB is right (even if he is being sarcastic)! Simon Black is wrong!
Hitler came to power through the ballot box. He sure changed the system.
Abe Lincoln changed the system for millions of enslaved Americans. He came to power through the ballot box.
The Progressives have been slowly changing America politics, econimics and culture for the last 100 years without violence. They did it through the ballot box.
Everybody on this blog is so quick to take down the system, but NOBODY is ready to propose what will replace it! Here are some options. Take your pick or propose additional alternatives.
Option 1: Socialism/Communism
Option 2: Feudalism/Monarchy
Option 3: Democracy (Sparta, mob rule)
Option 4: Constitutional Republic (USA of founding fathers)
Option 5: Anarchy, no rules (until some warlord emerges and exerts authority -- Nigeria)
Without any proposals to fix/replace the system, you are just whining and cannot be taken seriously.
Option 6: Secession or Discorporation. Break North America into its fourteen respective natural historical region and let each be run by the dominant political philosophies of that region. America itself is not TBTF. The south wants strong central leaders, a warrior culture, a landed aristocracy and the restoration of a religious theocracy (sounds a lot like a feudal state), let them have it. The West Coast from San Francisco north wants a technocratic arcology, then let them do it.
The United States was founded as an experiment - it had never been done before, and it was, in its own ways, wildly successful for a while. Yet it was founded when there was 1/100th the population that exists today, and the strains that are becoming more manifest every day are arising because there is an attempt to impose one culture on a wildly disparate population. Maybe it's time to initiate the next stage of that experiment.
Option 7: Resource Based Economy. Eliminate money. Devote all planetary resources (including voluntary labor) to building highly automated systems that support basic (and then advanced) human needs - clean water, food, shelter, clothing, education, and socialization. Use scientific method rather than politics to solve most problems. Eliminate most crime overnight (being based on money or lack of money). Eliminate poverty - not with money, but by making it obsolete. Make unemployment a plus instead of a minus for society. Turn the social value system upside down (err.. right-side up). Live with real liberty.
Techno-Enviro-Anarchical Communism bitchez
Ya, us scientists will get right on that after we sort out this little business of peak oil.
Abe Lincoln was a tyrant who laid the cornerstone of a system that would enslave all Americans, but Progressive idiots have warped the history and reality of the situation so that they can do what truly matters to a Progressive- feel good and be smug while making bleating sounds about the injsutices of that very system.
This pathetic shit needs to die the horrible death that it so deserves. I've had it with actions upon actions being crushed by party hackery! As noted by Carlin, I no longer take anyone seriously who promotes the political...
One of the greatest statements on all of this:
Do people demand a really just system? Well, we'll arrange it so that they'll be satisfied with one that's a little less unjust ... They want a revolution, and we'll give them reforms -- lots of reforms; we'll drown them in reforms. Or rather, we'll drown them in promises of reforms, because we'll never give them real ones either!!
- DARIO FO, Accidental Death of an Anarchist
Many revolutions are not. No loss of life is preferable to any. The elites want to kill us off, so i for one am not willing to play into their hands.
The system can be changed peacefully through the ballot box, people need to be better informed about how the Oligarchy works and controls us. It can be done, information flow millions of times more easily than in 1776.
If violent revolution is the only way, so be it, but it is preferably avoided, and it can be.
Nice thought - but last I looked, most American's dont have a clue, dont want a clue, haven't time for a clue, etc.
When the supply chains shut down, government checks stop coming, services get cut, and so forth - it will be the angry, hungry masses that kill each other. You won't be fighting the government. You will be fighting some idiot from down the street who thinks you are the 1%.
Bingo, spot on, exactly right.
Bullshit. I see it in my neighborhood now when one loses job other neighbor helps fix roof. Be a good neighbor.
Citizen, If you see anything suspicious report it. Thank you for your co-operation. Signed, FEMA
/s
Don't SUSPECT your neighbor...REPORT him!
Was that a paraphrase on one of the propaganda posters in the movie Brazil? It read:
"Don't suspect a friend, report him"
Here's a few more fun ones:
"Be Safe: Be Suspicious"
"Suspicion Breeds Confidence"
"Help The Ministry Of Information Help You"
They weren't hungry, were they?
I fully intend on being a good neighbor; it's the only way we'll survive. But, let's not be myopic here. "Losing your job" isn't TSHTF.
Get back to me on how neighborly those around you are when they haven't eaten an actual meal in a week, have to gather kindling and limbs for warmth, and are watching their kids suffer from the diarrhea they got when they drank out of the drainage ditch. Wanna place bets on how fast your good neighbors would wring your neck for a can of raviolli?
Sadly, I think you have it right.
You won't be fighting the government. You will be fighting some idiot from down the street who thinks you are the 1%.
Exactly
Centreline of course speaks the truth. Better prepare yourselves accordingly. All of this comingling of the cultures dubbed lovingly by liberals as 'multi-culturalism' will come back to bite everyone who supported it right in the ass. When shit hits the fan there will be no neighborly trust because there are 100 different ethnic groups within 2 square miles and each of them will have a different idea about how to survive and what to do. I've been warning people for years about this crap but in the end it was by design to allow all of these foreigners in and to destroy what was once a cohesive American culture. And don't make this out to be a racist thing because it aint got shit to do with racism. It's simple sociological human behavior in action.
Be a good person, then won't have problem. Live by gun, die by gun.
let a smile be your umbrella and your ass will get soaking wet
If government becomes completely unable to supply cities then mono/multi-culturism is entirely irrelevant IMO. A couple meals away from anarchy and all that.
It's strange, but there are two vehicles with 'go galt' bumper stickers in my neighborhood. And I'm adding one of these to my window as soon as it gets here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Car-Window-Decal-Anonymous-Mask-Guy-Fawkes-V-Vendetta-OWS-Bumper-Sticker-/280764867839?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D270829434565%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3963341014437330056#ht_1945wt_1396
if you think the system can be changed through the ballot box, you need to think harder. The populus is completely brainwashed by MSM. Once the brainwashed start to realize their standard of living is falling, then they will start to question things. When it falls further, they will get angry. When they struggle to survive then it WILL get violent. People>govt
Violent ... as was the secession of Southern states in 1860 to 1865.
It's just not worth it. In my old age I find myself agreeing with conscientious objectors to war more and more. Go ahead and and shoot if they should so insist, but God will work out the justice of it all for me and everyone else for that matter. I'm not criticizing all of those who served us all with their bravery in combat but they must have went through hell living with the craziness of having to kill a human being(s) for the rest of their lives.
I have zero sympathy for combat veterans of any armed force. They chose to serve; in many cases, they volunteered to serve. Draftees are slightly different but IMO you always have a choice - and thus can choose to not kill anyone.
Disclosure: I am a veteran.
While I respect your and others decision to enter into the armed forces, for this country I would never do so myself. 1) It would serve as an endorsement of the utter nonsense they have put us through over the past few years. I have disagreed with nearly every single decision or action they've taken over the past 10 years. This government is not my government. 2) You always hear the horror stories of the aftermath of war veterans.. be it PTSD, losing limbs/life, being denied payments or medical care, and possibly ending up homeless.. especially considering the wars we are in are entirely bogus and without merit. Our soldiers, our boys and girls, are dying FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - oh wait, I mean, they're dying for corprate interests. Bush and Obama have the blood on their hands for the thousands of US soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent Middle Easterners they have murdered.
+1 Before the junks come I challenge people to watch this video Read here for the background.
The best thing any individual can do is to work on their spiritual condition and learn to find serenity, meaning, and joy regardless of what life throws our way. Shit's about to get real dark for many of us and if our meaning is attached to something outside of ourselves each individual's life will be a miserable existence. What allows a human to burn alive with such stillness? If everyone could find that inner strength, what would this world look like? But even if everyone can't find it, each of us should find hope that the human spirit has infinite potential to thrive and send a message beyond human death. Whether it is Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty or give me death," or a burning monk in Siagon sacrificing his life for his fellows, the human spirit is an individual's strongest weapon.
The last words of Thích Qu?ng ??c before his self-immolation were documented in a letter he had left:
Before closing my eyes and moving towards the vision of the Buddha, I respectfully plead to President Ngo Dinh Diem to take a mind of compassion towards the people of the nation and implement religious equality to maintain the strength of the homeland eternally. I call the venerables, reverends, members of the sangha and the lay Buddhists to organise in solidarity to make sacrifices to protect Buddhism.
OK, you go first! But, seriously, just more stuff by TPTB to pacify us. Religion is the SAME as government power, all meant to control. It's fuckers like Dick Cheney who benefit the most from religion- as long as people think that he'll be magically judged in an after-life then his ilk will be free to roam and murder.
Bertrand Russell put it best: I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong.
You are missing his point. I absolutely agree about your opinion on institutionalized religion, but he is talking about your own inner spiritually, which is individually tailored from your own experiences. Becoming your own leader, of sorts, and taking responsibility for the experiences you shape for yourself, the attitude you face them with and the growth that you can extract from them.
Couldn't have said it better. Real freedom can only start from within. Once people realize the inner indestructible core that is their consciousness - that nothing can hurt it and all experiences are meant to be faced as growth opportunities - it will both give them inner fortitude to face whatever the NWO can throw at them and a consistent spiritual growth that will strip away the armors of the fearful ego - fear, greed, hate, despair - thus by this same act starving the system of the weak inner states it depends on and feeds off.
Once you take responsibility for your own corner of the universe, for your experiences, you start healing yourself, and the world heals by itself...
Hey Trav,
My american revolution will be non-violent except for the violence done to me.
Simon is a 'do-nothing dude', and taking your two week vacation and sick leave and not doing a thing is voting with your feet, as he suggests. Old people will be beaten like mad dogs because we are compared to most of the people I have seen in the US; is this violent enough for all of those advocating violence? I don't know.
This has been a main topic of conversation in the alternative press for 6-8 years now and the deal is done. Guns, money, political power, authority, all the tools of terror-technology, etc.-----who has all of this? 1 fucking %!
What do we have----the capacity to suffer in silence until it all comes to the grinding halt that it demands---or we can play their game and--------------
I don't care what anyone else does, but this oldman will not comply
Sorry I cannot really express this well---but we can do both: violence and non-violence because both are necessary against such an ugly dead machine. Would you rather be on the street or be president? The answer to this question decides who you truly are.
Street sounds good to me with all of my friends who did not vote for high school 'class president'; yeah, street's good when I remember high school politics and democracy-----I think that is what put me outside of all of that and, now, all of this om
green for the truth above and take care of yourself---it is getting ugly
Mr. President: No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope that it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment1 to this country. For my own part I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason toward my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort.
I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer on the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves longer. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free—if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending—if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat, but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable—and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry peace, peace—but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
You forgot to read this part: And even if violent revolution does create change, it usually works out poorly.
Quadiet - RE UK - UK is THE bankster scum headquarter ob the planet - virtually broke, run by hedgefunds and oligarchs - fuck David Cameron and fuck the Lodon banksters.
Moving to another country doesn't starve the system. "All profits are global" at this point. Rich people moving to South America or Asia just makes the banksters international investment arm richer. Apparently Simon continues to forget the tentacles.
The way you actually starve the system: Don't be a debtor. Buy local. Put your money in a credit union or local bank. Invest in physical gold and local businesses (including your own, if applicable). If you absolutely have to borrow, borrow local. Overall, exist in your own community to the greatest extent possible. This will not only starve the beast, it will grow the fortunes of the people and businesses in your own community. Uplifting the people you know and interact with on a daily basis is your greatest weapon.
The tenacles of the IRS too. U.S. citizens are taxed on their income anywhere they live. You could move to New Guinea and live with headhunters but you still need to fill out and pay income tax.
You could move to New Guinea and live with headhunters but you still need to fill out and pay income tax.
I get this hilarious image of the IRS-man with his necktie and briefcase tramping up the mountain through the jungle, reaching your village to audit you...
www.orchidpark.net
The thugs depend on you far more than you depend on them
Government is a parasite and it will kill its host if it's allowed to
"Show me a slave and I'll show you two" - Old chinese proverb
Remember, remember, the fifth of November, Bitchez!
Remember sixth of Nov. Turn your clocks back one hour @ 2am
As of the 5th of Nov. you should have smashed your clock - it is Zero hour my comrade for tomorrow we die.
SURE, BANKS AND BIG MANAGERS ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THEIR BIG-ASTRONOMIC-SALARIES, AND THEIR SCANDALOUS RETIREMENTS OF MILLIONS DOLLARS, BUT NOT THE REST OF THE PEOPLE.
LOL, what a surprise. Soverign Man who makes living if people 'walk away' to third world country thinks it's solution. Idiot.
Walk away?
Horse manure.
I'm doing my part to ferment discontent with the status quo at every opportunity.
And yes ... I do intend on voting ... against all incumbents
"I'm doing my part to ferment discontent with the status quo at every opportunity. "
My wise old Granfather always said "if only dogs could outlaw fleas"
Disenfranchise, but don't be forced from your home if you choose not to go. Choose instead to defend it, and you will always have the moral high-ground.
Don't waste discontent by fermenting it! ;)
But it makes such good fertilizer!
"Third World" will be right next to you, in US cities...
They've been attempting to get a budget.
All those projects are just smoke screens for what is currently happening on the federal level in both the US and Canada.
Massive Fucking Layoffs. So how better to justify a budget than invent something. Right now agencies are starting to bounce pension checks, only way to make sure some ancient director doesn't get right fucked financially is to make an unmanageable expense that is under the vulgarities of a "project" line item so it's separated from the operational budget.
That way it's "off the books". Just wait until they figure out how much the current director has pilfered from the FBI budget for his new office, a cottage (house really) and a couple of nice cars/boats. However that is going to have to wait until Xmas time.
Couple of other projects need to be executed first before the target is soft enough to kill.
Yup- seeing the same thing in corporate America. Long term financial plans are non-existent as funding gets funneled only into short term pet projects, so the bureaucrats use the projects to create ever bigger, more laborious and fantastic dependencies...
Run with a policy of expansionism within the confines of a contracting economy... yeah, that oughta work.
That is part of the long-term plan. Bankrupting the nation comes, after defaming its leaders and, it is used to justify calling a general convention to change its structure.
Hegel and Marx would be proud. Especially Marx, as his prophecy will be self-fulfilled with capitalism's murder.
Stictly speaking, I think Marx would say that we have yet to see a true capitalism and thus what is going to evolve out of this is not a pure communism. He says that until people experience the true horror of capitalism and free markets, and they have repeated failed revolutions (because new dictators keep emerging out of the revolutionary leadership) they will not have a mindset to be able to live in a truly communistic society. It's sort of like Moses in the promised land, we can glimpse it but we won't get to live in it because we will not have, etched in our collective history and consciousness, the abuses and repeated bloodshed that future folks who have lived in capitalism will have experienced. He would say there has never, yet, been a communist nation on the face of this planet. There is no skipping steps and because of all the interventions, there is no real capitalism.
I am not a Marxist, I do know his stuff.
IOW, real communists want capitalism because it is necessary for the evolution of communism.
Lenin reminded us that a complete socialism is not the final objective of the Communist State but that it is intended to be transitional. It exists to make the world safe for Anarchy. There have been Anarchies. The mining communities during the California gold rush are one example. They were local direct democracies and they set up and enforced a system of laws governing their communities. --- A lot can be said in favor of Communism, if it ever actually achieved its end.
MsCreant+randomdrift=Kropotkin
Read the report from Iron Mountain. The government has to piss away all the money in order to keep people in want. www.teachpeace.com/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf
There is a much easier and peaceful way of crashing the system. It will only take 8 weeks or so. #CancelChristmas
...ummm... Now you're on to something. Christmas was a celebration of "spiritual newness, hope and enlightenment". It was inverted into something other than its original purpose by greed and subtlety. Don't succumb. Man-up. Christians can celebrate Christmas without buying crap. Try it.
I wish I could +2 you. What you said was great, but not nearly as much as that avatar. LOL
Not one mention of chile or bumfk asia simon? Slack.
Where is it that I can go to get away from fiat/debt based currencies, and where I can keep what I earn? Where is this magical place that I should be going?
Yes, please. I would like to know as well. I've done some research on this subject to no avail.
Its called a graveyard. But they will find a way to tax them too.
UAS - Unoccupy Any Street. Drink the koolaid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpjLZa_wtvw
I have no idea where that "safe" place is, but you can bet your sweet ass Mr. Black will be on the first plane out if there is any hint of danger. After all, he is a citizen of the world, right? The globe is his oyster to plunder. What is worth defending if your game plan is just to move on to the next feast?
Fuck Mr. Black, and the plane he flew in on. I'll take my stand right here, making evermore effort to get out of the system, off the grid, and as invisible as possible....all the while looking for real opportunity to support political change, and to spread dissension against the status quo.
This is a unique country. It is worth fighting for. Many of us have already done it in foreign lands, and if it needs to be done at home, then it will be done. We have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights, and a heritage of defending them. Yes, they have been hi-jacked, and yes, we are in danger of losing all our liberties. At the same time, we also have our American Spirit. It has been beaten down by complacency, greed, and sloth, but it still reverberates loudly in the strong among us. Ignore the chicken littles & challenge authority at every turn. Get involved & make your voice heard. Help educate your fellow citizen. There is an awakening taking place, and the more the spotlight is trained on the bastards who have been raping us, the worse they look, the more insecure they become, and their grip on the system weakens.
Violence is to be avoided to the extent possible. Anyone who has been in a war zone knows how horrible it is for the general population and the countries infrastructure. We don't have to have violence...just civil disobedience. As the OWS crowd so acurately perceives, the 99% vastly out numbers the 1%, and the enforcers for the 1% are also a part of the 99%.....Viva la (peaceful) revolution.
The revolution you are waiting for will not come. The American people are happy to live in a police state, so long as their level of material comfort is maintained.
There will be no thugs kicking down your doors. There will be no gun seizures. There will be no U.N. peace keepers. There will be no "trigger." No FEMA camps.
No, just more of what you have today. More surveillance. More targeted actions against "law breakers." More control for the elite that own this country.
More importantly, as a veteran, you have 0 chance of ever being "off the radar." You are part of the system whether you like it or not. The VA knows everything there is to know about you. As someone with military training, the FBI and state police keep close tabs on you and your online purchases/activities.
Getting "off the grid" is a form of running. Running off to bum fuck TN to live in the woods chopping wood is ridiculous. Essentially what you are saying is that you no longer have a place in mainstream American society. So instead of moving to a country where you do have a place, a country that is not yet a high tech surveillance based police state, you'll live like a pariah in the woods.
Good fucking solution pal. I like technology. I like the trapping of civilization. I just don't want the police state tyranny to go with it.
Voting with my feet.
"Essentially what you are saying is that you no longer have a place in mainstream American society."
What the fuck is "mainstream American society?" Sorry, but I'm afraid that this is way too big of a brush stroke. If it's based on the "American Dream" they it's assured that it fails- TOTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE!
"I like technology. I like the trapping of civilization. I just don't want the police state tyranny to go with it."
Well, how does it feel to want? Technology is a PROCESS, PERIOD! If you don't have resources you don't have shit! Further, if technology was so great then how come it has only resulted in us being ever-more controlled?
One of the greatest minds on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3TQZ-2iMUR0#!
Fucking nails it!
Entropy, resource depletion, your fantasy world is coming to a close. Whatever you do do NOT come out to my rural community.
Why would I run and hide out in the sticks like some paranoid hermit? Don't worry, nobody is coming to steal your 10 ounces of gold you have hidden somewhere in your 50 year old wooden shit shack. Nobody is coming to force your sons into homosexuality. Obama isn't going to come impregnate your daughter and then force her to get an abortion.
See, people like you are running from modernity, not tyranny. That's where libertarians and luddites part ways.
I want to be free to travel without being harassed. You don't want to travel, you want to hide in your hole in bum fuck nowhere, peeking out the Windows waiting for the black helicopters and FEMA to come take you away.
I want to be free to express myself without fear of government monitoring and reprisal. You just wish America would bomb more brown people and get that "commie Kenyan" out of the white house, or whatever else the MSM tells you to think.
I want to be free to be productive and creative. You just want your government/military pension to be increased and keep the gravy train flowing.
I know your type well. Tell me you don't have government money streaming in every month and I'll call you a liar.
I've got 30% disability, service connected. I'd gladly give it up, and be paid a Walking Liberty per hour and fend for myself if I had my druthers.
Just leave me the fuck alone up here 4 hours away from the nearest Interstate. Pleasant dreams.
First, let me be clear about this....I doubt if I would ever be your Pal, but you and Simon Black might be great buddies.
Second, you need to go back and read what I wrote. Nowhere do I indicate that disappering is either desirable or my goal. Quite the opposite. Working for change is something that I have been doing all my life, and I plan to continue. I will take my stand here, while you & Mr. Black vote with your feet. Good ridance. Don't let the door slam on your ass on the way out, because it is greedy, self-absorbed, detached nomads without allegiance to America who are at the root of the problem. The very scum who have worked so diligently over the past 30 years to send our jobs out of the country.
Furthermore, we are already in the midst of major changes in this society. Will these changes be 'revolutionary' in the sense that violence breaks out? I don't know, nor do you. I strongly believe that we are early into a big paradigm shift and that the masters are losing control. It is almost impossible to keep secrets anymore, and without the ability to keep the curtain drawn around their activities, the masses are waking up to the way the elite have been shafting us all. Change is in the wind.
When I say "get out of the system, off the grid, and as invisible as possible", I mean become as independent as you can. I have worked for myself for over 35 years & recently moved my office & staff into a 1200 sq ft segregated area of my home, which is about 15 minutes from the nearest town. I have a 200' well that hits great tasting water at 75', a diesel generator, a 30,000 gallon pool & the house sits in the middle of 5 acres of mostly hardwoods at the end of a curving, gravel driveway and is invisible but for the mailbox and driveway entrance. I'm about a mile down a 2 mile dead-end road & have a lot of neighbors in similar shape as me. The garden will expand as needed.
And why would you think I don't like technology? I am totally plugged in. I have an Intenet based phone sytem (EGHT is a great growth stock, BTW) & 2 wirreless routers, iPhones, & everything I need to run my company. Business takes me to NY, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Nashville, L.A., Vegas, etc. I also love fine wine and great food.
Patriot does not equal hermit....but I really do like those Tennesee mountains & that Nashville music scene.
Libya. But you saw how that worked out.
Iran? Well, they won't be a country in about a year when they catch nukes from the U.S./U.K/Israelie Zionist coatlition.
Hey Simon,
How about we try voting for, and donating to, Ron Paul. I mean just on the off chance that armed revolution is not required? Just on the possibility that the price was already paid by the founding fathers, and our only job was not to screw things up? What do you say?
Ron Paul is a simpleton. Eisenhower tried to balance the budget three times during his 8 years and it caused three recessions.
yep, it is very likely that our country will go through a period of pain as Dr. Paul's policies are put in place. recession? probably, considering we've been in one for about 3 years now, regardless what the government statistics tell you.
but here's the kicker ... after we go through this period of pain, we'll have our country back. the country that our grandparents were proud of. the country that our immigrant ancestors scrimped and saved and sacrificed everything they knew to get to.
so now our generation has the opportunity to make some sacrifices to fix this mess for the next generation -- our children and grandchildren's generation. it would take a pretty selfish person not to sign up for that deal.
really? So voting in Ron Paul is going to return the USA to the status of world #1 oil producer with growing production every year? WOW.
It's going to resurrect our iron mines, coal mines, and lots of other resources that were depleted? AWSUMZ
So is your alternate solution to vote for the Teleprompter Tyrant?
First, there's no such thing as a "solution," solutions are PERMANENT. (death is an exception here)
Second, only narrow-minded, two-dimensional thinkers offer up two-choice "alternatives*."
* Presidents don't create laws. Technically, as far as the common man/woman is concerned, there's no difference with anyone in as POTUS.
Perhaps TRAV is trying to INFORM you that resource depletion is going to tie our hands? Full warp, Scotty! Captain, I'm giving it all she's got, but...
Ron's a great guy, but he's not God. I'm also not thinking that he'd be able to inspire people to riot in the streets (in order to assist him in asserting changes that he proposes).
Exactly, just vote Ron Paul and it will be rainbows and skittle shitting unicorns for everyone. There is no need for violence people. Yep, still a lot of delusional folks out there. Voting Ron Paul isn't a bad start but don't expect anything substantial to come of it.
"voting" is the sports team method of "having your say" - pick a team/colour, get the Tshirt / bumper sticker, have a few gatherings for your feel good "team spirit" generating. . . then VOTE for CHANGE and HOPE it happens.
voting, it's the least you can do.
"voting, it's the least you can do."
And "least" is exactly what it produces! Yup, just keep pretending and keep pounding your head against That door!
Voting continues the illusion of legitimacy.
Maybe they plan to roll out zero-point ... when Thrive hits the shelf ... 11/11/11.
trav7777 - is THAT what you think made this country great?
Great is a subjective issue, it's a huge part of what made the US prosperous.
I would vote for Ron Paul but I wouldn't expect any meaningful change for the better to come from it.
He would be completely locked down by a banker-controlled congress, and if he tries the exectutive order route he'd meet with JFKs fate.
I doubt he'd even be able to do much on the war front (military invasions & occupations more like).
Sorry, but you Ron Paul worshipers are going to be very disappointed.
Truth is, I don't think America has much time left. Maybe a year, maybe two.
Save yourself. Don't worry about others.
Go read Psalm 91.
A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee ...
You guys are forgetting the real power of a victory for Ron Paul:
It would show TPTB that they're out of ammunition, that none of their propaganda worked, and that the people are awake and sick of their bullshit.
Ok, whatever. Let's all vote for him and see how it goes.
Unfortunately TPTB have all the ammunition, tanks, drones, soldiers, FRNs, and world gold reserves, plus they control the food supply as well. we are so far past fucked we could not catch a bus back to fucked. Now is the time to get right with God and pray hard cause life is short. John 3:16 bitchez
The real power of Ron Paul is an Economically ignorant population.
Eisenhower was an unmitigated SOB. Look at Goals for America. He didn't sign it. But he approved of it. That was the beginning of the US government plan that is coming into full fruition, today.
Ever see the video "Why We Fight?" Eisenhower's very prescient prediction of the Military industrial Complex. He just happened to be wrong about the Deficit.
See: http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/1054/
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/05/mmt-economics-101-on-federal-budget-deficits.html
http://seekingalpha.com/article/290879-why-the-market-is-declining-deficit-reduction-and-profits
http://inthearena.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/05/david-graeber-studied-5000-years-of-debt-real-dirty-secret-is-that-if-the-deficit-ever-completely-went-away-it-would-cause-a-major-catastrophe/
I have seen it.
There seems to have been some complexity to his personality, for he didn't appear to like the military industries but he advanced the agenda of the liberal establishment.
I suspect that he wasn't wrong about the deficit but that he deliberately caused those recessions, as destroying America's wealth was a line-item in Goals for America. That is, it was part of the liberal agenda of his times. Perhaps, that was the price he paid to remain in power. And he liked power.
I don't presume to know Ike's motivation or thinking. I do know from his life that he was a patriotic American, which is more than I can say for most politicians. I also know from history that there was some debate as to which party he would work for. Which is fitting for that time in history when people were not so self-righteous based on their political beliefs. You will not find that today. Both parties are driven by their extremists. The irony is that our soldiers are overseas fighting extremists. Maybe some will come back and run for political office and rid this country of these idol worshipping philistines. These win at all cost souless un-Americans.
Wow! We sure wouldn't want to have one of those recession thingys, would we? I mean why mess around with a recession when you can hold out for a full bore depression?
It takes a far greater simpleton to think anything can be changed to counter the growth of a malignant government/corporate hydra without serious pain.
Oh noes! A recession! Boo hoo! Far better we just resign the entire future to control of a financial cartel and law enforcement instead of not having lots of stuff and Dancing With The Stars!
Un-friggin-believeable...
Heres your sign.
+ 1, new element
I gave money recently to Ron Paul 2012. Like the last time... He is really the only one, IMO, who could deliver the medicine we need. It is too bad that TBTBTM (The Bitches That Be) will torpedo him, come what may.
It really IS up to each of us to plot our way through this mess.
ditto
Dr. Paul is one of only two candidates that I've ever given money to in my entire life.
So you are anal retentive just like him?
He is currently the best choice of the shit offered to us. Some of his policies are brilliant. Some are so archaic he seems like a pope. But notice he never gets anything done with his policies, Why?
I don't know, maybe because congress is too busy taking care of the interests of their big corporate doners to worry about what's really in the best interest of the citizens*
*citizens: a term that used to be used to describe people who lived in American before they become know as "consumers"
+10 for the quote of the day:
*citizens: a term that used to be used to describe people who lived in American before they become know as "consumers"
"consumers" - a nice way of saying "useless eaters".
consumers are 70% of the economy. No consumer = no job for you.
Debt or Fear = More Savings = Less Demand = Less Production = Less Jobs = Less Taxes collected = Deficit (Unless there are Govt cutbacks wash repeat)
...and "consumers" is the polite term for "useless eaters".
I thought it was polite for "serf"....
Perhaps he never gets his policies done because they usually are 434 against 1 in the House, and 100 against 0 in the Senate on his sound recommendations like Ending the Fed and ending the wars? Ever thought about that?
yeah, but when he gets to be supreme ruler PRESIDENT, he'll have all the powers and can make all the rules he wants, amirite??
LOL! Only those things that TPTB want to take place. And, actually, POTUS is the weakest link. POTUS DOESN'T create any laws, or change existing ones. Sure, POTUS can operate illegally, covertly, but these pretty much aren't permanent conditions (though the results of such action might prompt/push the legislators to cement actual laws, thus codifying things).
And then there's all those library windows that POTUS has to worry about...
Someone is going to be President, Cathartes. At least Ron Paul seems to really believe in the limited power of that office as well as that of government in general. If it's all an act, then I guess you're right. But at this point, donating to his election and voting for him feels right to me.
indeed, as long as this is the system they have in place, "someone" will be "President" - how could it be otherwise?
I'm just trying to poke holes in the belief that a "someone" has any power to represent anyone who deigns to vote for him, because when you participate in anything, your mind holds out a "hope" that your "vote" matters, that your action makes some / any difference at all to the overall system.
not to pick on you Jena, truly, but when you say "donating / voting for him feels right to me" it shows that you've not yet let go of the myth that you have some power to change this behemoth as it tumbles inevitably towards the black hole of chaos - and I think this is a sort of hobble on the individual, this final barrier to being fully self-reliant, self-sufficient, that knowing deep within that YOU and only YOU are response-able for YOU and those you care for.
it's this that keeps people participating in a system that is designed to undermine sovereignty, to keep the mind pacified with non-sense that cycles back to feelings of helplessness, until we let go the lie that we need Big Gov & it's band of Military enforcing "laws" - personal sovereignty is truly all we have, once it is recognised.
For what purpose? To usher in a new era of sustainable legitimized extortion?
Do you reason with the leech hanging from your neck? Do you ask it to suck less?
It's funny--I used to be a Ron Paul advocate. I could address this message to my younger self.
The thing is, I'm just not in the market for a kinder, gentler bloodsucker anymore.
Why is there homelessness in western world with a massive oversupply of housing?
-Bizzaro Property taxes.
Why is Europe in such a fix? Cause places like Greece create a tax code so complex that it can not be understood by the honest, or enforced by the soveriegn itself. And the cheaters get to have a ball.
homelessness isn't driven by inability to afford a house. It's driven by mental illness.
Idiots think that the solution to everything is to provide what is missing. So, people are poor, provide money. People are homeless, here is a house. That is idiotic. It addresses only the symptoms, not the cause.
People feel unsafe- here are more TSA agents
People want drugs- here are border fences and more cops... oh, wait a minute- .gov seems to be on the wrong side of that trade.
Regarding idiocy and mental illness:
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Mind-Psychological-Political-Madness/dp/097795630X
I must agree with trav here , if they were sane they would just take what they want.
You've got me thinking about the food bin that was just set up at my child's school. Should I put a fishing pole in the bin or pop tarts?