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Guest Post: This Is The Only Way To Change The System
Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man
This Is The Only Way To Change The System
Late in the evening on November 4, 1605, an English soldier named Guy Fawkes took up his position deep in the cellars beneath the House of Lords in London’s Westminster Palace. He was armed with 36 barrels of gunpowder and intended to blow up the building, taking King James and most Members of Parliament with it.
Fawkes was discovered hours later, just after midnight on the 5th. He was captured, interrogated, and tortured, ultimately revealing details of his co-conspirators in what became known as the Gunpowder Plot.
History never let it go. To this day, the 5th of November is still commemorated, officially as a celebration of the government’s triumph over its domestic enemies.
[As an etymological note, the word 'guy' is actually derived from Guy Fawkes; it was originally intended as a term of derision but by the 20th century evolved to its current meaning of any male.]
As you can imagine, the aftermath of the Gunpowder Plot was anything but comfortable in England. The country became an all-out police state– arrests, interrogations, and inquisitions were all commonplace as the government attempted to smoke out its enemies.
Four centuries later, not much has changed.
Earlier this week, the federal government arrested a quartet of elderly men as old as 73 on terrorism charges. Like Fawkes, they are charged with plotting attacks on politicians and government buildings.
US Attorney Sally Quillan Yates said that the case is a reminder that “we must also remain vigilant in protecting our country from citizens within our own borders who threaten our safety and security.”
In a COMPLETELY UNRELATED MATTER (naturally), major hotel chains in the United States began rolling out the ‘If you see something, say something’ Homeland Security ads across all of their properties.
As of yesterday, US-based Marriott, Sheraton, Holiday Inn, and Hilton hotels will subject their guests to short videos on the hotel welcome monitors. In this particular video, Johnny DoGood calls the police because he sees… wait for it… a man standing next to a taxi.
Meanwhile, Tennessee recently became the first to implement Homeland Security’s VIPR program statewide, essentially placing ass-grabbing TSA agents at various checkpoints along the state’s freeways.
And in just two-months’ time, you can look forward to the FBI rolling out a nationwide facial recognition program. This, after FBI Director Robert Mueller announced that the bureau would make greater use of rules which allow agents to surveil Americans, even if they have absolutely no ties to terrorism.
This police state is the ultimate slippery slope. Once you start fondling people at airports, you might as well take over the train stations… at which point you might as well do the bus stations too. And highways. Shopping malls. Sports stadiums. Grocery stores. And of course, schools… can’t forget the kids.
This only gets worse with time. Soon, any semblance of civil liberty has succumbed to Lingchi, the Chinese torture of ‘death by a thousand cuts’.
It’s understandable that people are angry and demanding change. Guy Fawkes and his co-conspirators thought they could change the system through violence. They were wrong.
And even if violent revolution does create change, it usually works out poorly. Russia got Lenin and Stalin after their revolution, France got Robespierre’s Reign of Terror… followed by Napoleon’s military dictatorship.
Others are deluded into thinking they can change the system in the voting booth… and with one year to go until the 2012 showdown, there are certainly a lot of people pinning their hopes on this idea. Most forget how surprised they are when, in election after election, their guy turns out to be just as bad as the old guy.
George Carlin once said, “When I hear a person talking about political solutions, I know I am not listening to a serious person.” He was right. Politics creates problems, not solutions.
In fact, as Rousseau outlined in his Social Contract, the very nature of government requires that people sacrifice some personal freedoms in exchange for certain conveniences. But more and more, the costs in freedom are rising, and the conveniences become rather… inconvenient.
Truthfully, elections are simply clever parlor tricks anyhow, designed to make people think they are in control. They’re not. The only thing we can actually control is what we do ourselves.
Governments are like primitive cannibals feasting on a great treasure trove of sheeple. You can’t force them out, and you can’t vote them out. But you can sure as hell starve them out. When enough people pick up and leave, essentially voting with their feet, it accelerates the system crash.
This is the only way to truly change the system.
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I thought the govt worker police loved making overtime, especially when they shoot unarmed civilians in the face or beat women senseless.
I thought the basic pretense of all these wars was to protect our freedom from those who see otherwise. Istead just the opposite is occuring. Why don't we vote with our bank accounts and close them out and while we're at it default on all our debts. See, no violence, no protesting, no standing out in the cold required.
Idiot child.
you speak of change as if it stops. Violence plays a part in change. You may keep walking away but soon you or others may find that you can't walk anywhere but to the ovens.
Fool, gvt only understand force and if peaceful force doesn't work then , well you can walk but you can't hide.
"Idiot child."
don't be so hard on yourself.
ouch!
Did your mommy type that out for you?
There is a time when the operation of the machine
becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that
you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take
part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears
and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the
apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve
got to indicate to the people who run it, to the
people who own it, that unless you’re free, the
machine will be prevented from working at all!
- Mario Savio, December 3, 1964
taking most of your money away from banks, and buying physical metal also helps destroying the system. The more people do this, the better and faster the results.
I voted you up but the central bankers are now piling into gold too.
Doesn't mean they are going to get any.
Eventually though they'll change the laws like they have done in the past to seize our gold at their offering to put in their coffers.
I agree. And although I never thought I would be suggesting such a thng, I am considering going on unemployment after I close my stores, then I will get on foodstamps and every other form of assistance I can. I will give these "entitlements" to people in my community who really need them.
If we all get off the end that feeds the government ( as a hard working taxpayer). And get on the government teet, the sooner the collapse will come, and therefore, go.
I have never defaulted on a debt, always lived within my means, have land, livestock,Water, lead, zero balance on plenty of credit cards, I educate my own children, but pay property taxes, and sales taxes, and income taxes, if it wasn't for a terrible boating accident, I would have plenty of au and ag.
When people like me want to get on food stamps and unemployment etcetera, and we do it in droves. It will end.
Just my .02
Ron Paul 2012
Or
Barry "hasten the collapse" Sortero 2012
If your are a small business owner, good luck with collecting unemployment....at least in my state.
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This thread is going to become a honey pot. Time to be careful, folks.
Because beyond here there be monsters.
http://www.kimpl.com/895/anonymous-live-distros/
There, fixed
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THAT is an interesting link, CPL. I just wish I was young and still had the mental horsepower to learn LINUX, internet personal security, PGP, etc.
I use TOR. But I wish it were only that simple.
This fight is starting off in the cloud. I don't think it will stay there long but for now we are on the front lines.
Time to abandon another ZH account. Move or die. Roll the bones ...
argh!
I want to see blood! Lots of blood, carnage, and terror! Go!
The best hand-to-hand way to fight these .gov thugs is with stun guns.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=stun+gu...
Use the 6 - 10 million volt models, it will make them evacuate themselves and they will have to go change their shorts or adopt an internal diaper policy.
you forgot to acknowledge that all the things you complain about are taking place under a leftist regime - the same people who screamed about Bush violating the rights of real terrorists; the same people who complained that conservatives were oppressive
all politics are not the same
Any pol is oppressive when in power under this gvt.
They don''t have a choice it's the only way to get elected.
it's fascist and only those who are dead from koolaid (or just terminal stupid) would defend it's actions.
can you see a difference between jim demint and barack obama?
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I sure as hell can!
Are they at the same level?
Can you see that Jim would be elected, Prez.
Is he even running?
Oh my he is not?
Did you ask him why?
You were comparing Bush to Obama not con to lib.
if you wish to hold a conversation stay on track.
Do-chen do-chime-in?
I do not like lyin' faker Obama. Worst president ever. So crooked, so socialist and yet a FOB (Friend Of Banksters). I am under no illusions that Demint would be that much better. But, better, yes! Noticeably better.
No love for Obama, and voted for McCain, but DeMint has his own "sponsors", and you might not like being under their thumb very much.
This whole left/right pardigm is little more than a smoke screen & DeMint is little more than a male Michelle Bachman.
So you like being a patsy to someone else?
That's the type of person I would expect pays too much for too little and in a meek, wobbly voice ask for another beating.
Seriously. Man the fuck up. Reason we're in this mess. Doing nothing is now equally as reprehensible and doing the dirty deed itself.
This article says it all......but if you do not vote, then you get the refrain of: "if you don't vote...don't bitch". I VEHEMENTLY disagree. If you pay taxes, or are affected by these bribed criminals (hint: you are), then you have every right to bitch. Those over 40 have no excuse for being so stupid as to think your vote matters, or that there is one iota of difference between the political parties as far as money/bankers/corporations are concerned. I have always said that when a national eleciton is held, and no one shows up (let alone stand in the rain for two hours) to vote......THAT IS WHEN YOU WILL HAVE TPTB's ATTENTION. Until then, you Teabag nut-suckers and Obama sack-suckers continue to have fun arguing amongst yourselves. You look like the retards that you truly are.....
Nice article but walk where? some island cut off from the world, Canada, South America, Asia, EUROPE. The cannibal is everywhere. How can you starve it if its all around you
Short of going completely off the grid in some place nobody can find (good luck with any medical emergency, social interaction, etc.), there is nowhere to run that will not be affected somehow by the shit storm that is coming. And remember that this about resources. Economics/finance is secondary. Think oil, food, water, etc.
In my opinion, it is also near impossible to predict what will get hit the worst - and when. The best advice in this regard to stay nimble. Dont be afraid to get up and move - even if it means starting over with few items in tow.
edit: wanted to add something... teach your kids accordingly!
Starve them out he's referring to stop all credit card, student loan, mortgage and child support payments to the government and banks. That will work.
Africa.
Only place the devil never goes.
...bingo... get there before others figure it out...
Africom already has it's toes in Libya, Somalia and Uganda....
I've thought about this for a long time and there really is only one answer.
Hawaii.
Remote location, major US military support, good climate, and, most importantly, elite playground.
The US military will protect its elites there while allowing the lower 48 to deteriorate. Wall Streeters will be piling into gulfstreams to their place on the islands while the zombies are looting your Food King.
The military even has star wars stuff set up in Hawaii, so they even have a chance if the nukes fly.
Now, if I can just get yhis allidodal title deal done...
It's also going to be irradiated by Japan's mess.
Yes, but who isn't?
I live in Hawaii and have played around with your arguments and similar ones.
In a nuclear age, however, all the major "outer islands" are far too close to Pearl Harbor, never mind Fukushima... as others are saying, there are no universally good and safe options for what Simon is espousing here - although it certainly appeals to the adventurer in all of us.
I find your thinking a safe haven that includes the US military with all its tools of annihilation parked nearby is "the answer" quite amazing.
and just a heads up - the islands are high up on the chemical aerosoling list, food & water affected accordingly.
Hawaii does not have enough land to sustain its population if it were cut off from the mainland. They MUST import their food and everything else. Lovely, but not a sensible bet IMO.
You must be retarded if that was your conclusion after thinking about it "for a long time."
The massive negatives of Hawaii have largely been addressed by other posters. One they left out is the fact that the non-white Hawaiians HATE white people and violently attack them on a daily basis in Hawaii. Children come home beaten bloody all the time. Even the Marines there know to roll 4+ deep when off base, but that isn't always enough.
How the fuck can you possibly think Hawaii is a safe haven? It boggles my mind. Complete ignorance is the only possibility.
The actual answer, though, is New Zealand. It is clearly the bug out location for the royal family and other members of the elite. That's one reason it was kept nuke free and encourages environmentalism nuttery.
1. It's in the Southern Hemisphere, extremely far from where the nukes would be landing in WW3.
2. A remote island chain, extremely far from the teeming masses of hungry 3rd worlders.
3. Largely self sufficient in food production. Relatively low population (unlike Hawaii, which would suffer mass starvation within weeks if SHTF).
4. Climate not extreme.
5. Population mostly European, with some Asians.
6. Nuke free. One of the last places populated by modern man. One of the most pristine areas of the Earth.
7. Decent enough defense force to keep the boats of refugees away if it came to it. Would be fortified many times over with the British Navy/air assets in the event of a bug out scenario.
Agree about New Zealand as the best place. I made the move years ago. Good education for the kids too. Abundant agri resources, if the SHTF would come to that.
"major US military support"
Oh, great! That's exactly what I'd do in order to flee from oppression, head right into the den of the viper!
Back when I was staking out the best places I used this criterion as well, but in reverse (wanted to be as FAR away from any military installation as I could). Yup, had a good place selected...
Good input from all, thanks!
A few things;
I find the fear of living in a US military controlled area irrational. I'd rather be 'with them than against them' in a WWIII scenario, but to each his own on that one...
Truthfully, NZ had fallen of my radar, for no good reason, and that makes me wonder if it has fallen off others radar too... A friend of mine did the NZ thing a few years. Maybe I'll give her a call.
look a little deeper into what the "military" covert programs have on offer for the various populations - even what they're experimenting with on the actual troops deployed currently, including multiple, copious amounts of experimental pharma, and perhaps let go of the myth that the military is "on your side" - because they're not, any more than local police forces are, as OWS protesters can testify to.
it's an outdated trick getting folk to identify with the governments hired guns - how else to garner volunteers, and taxed monies? but never fall for that myth, as the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, and various other doublespeak decoy names attempt to secure your loyalty, never forget who instructs them, who pays them, who feeds them, both calories and propaganda. they are NOT on your side, never were.
best wishes in your searching.
History may not repeat, but it will rhyme. Count on it. This time though, we are talking about a real gamechanger.
And in just two-months’ time, you can look forward to the FBI rolling out a nationwide facial recognition program.
Another reason why Neo-Victorian is the new black...
Thanks BTW Mr. Bush, you stalwart of American conservatism and traditional values. You've shiny new federal agency is already totally out of control. Even better than
Where is the civil liberties belly-aching from the left on this these days? We're all cool with this kind of thing now are we?
making classic (pre-1985) childrens' books illegal ....Bravo.
no, they are all out camping with generators to protest "capitalism"
Oopps. Last line goes before preceding paragraph....."You've" should be "You're"
Up all night in the gold mine...you know how it is...
New Zealand celebrates Guy Fawkes day but for the exact opposite reason stated. More like "Good on you mate, nice try"
Same as in Newfoundland.
Pick up and leave? This assumes you have a passport and the means to leave this country for 5yrs or so. How will the sheeple accomplish this? Wouldn't it be easier to starve the govmint by NOT PAYING TAXES? Anyone can do that.
Half the country doesn't pay taxes and nobody's starving. Who needs taxes when you can print?
The system can easily adjust to more financial non-persons, which is what you become if you go "off the grid" and reduce your economic foot print to near 0.
But your children will still make good bullet catchers should the need for a draft arise.
The truth is, the system is maintained by the top 20%. Everyone else is just along for a ride. It's their game, not yours. Dropping out of it is irrelevant. Someone else will take your place.
The system needs your productivity, not your tax money. After all, they can conjure infinite amounts of money out of thin air with the stroke of a keypad. But they do need you working, striving, and participating in their system. They also need you to breed (well, maye not, that's what the illegals are here for).
I guess all they really need you for is as a willing participant in their game. To strive and produce for them. But if you don't want to, I'm sure Juan and Hector from Mexico will be happy to take your place.
That's how powerless and irrelevant you are. Even "voting with your feet" won't mean shit to them. Do not labor under delusions. You are not special.
LOL, the ONLY way to change the system is super-stupid-simple.
STOP PAYING TAXES and on anything that has an interest rate attached. AND, the system ends without any violence.
Duh.
Ok - you stop paying taxes and who will be policing the streets, putting out the fires etc.?
Your plan may be good in theory - but what about in practice? You will still need these services once the Government has gone.
You have only half a plan - the other half is self-organisation
I don't know, let's see, who policed the American Indians when they roamed the continent? Did they even need prisons? Oh now I remember, they didn't have bankers to protect.
We brought the American Indians...disease and...wait for it...lawyers, politicians, and bankers! ROTFLMFAO!!!
I know many moved west to get away from the carpetbaggers!
Bull. Stop paying taxes and the various .gov will just borrow more from the Fed and confiscate what little property - real or chattel - you have left.
I know a guy who stopped paying taxes around 2000 or so the indictment said. They finally caught up with him in 2007 or so.
Personally I would pay taxes. But you can stop the rest of your debts and kill the system long before 7 years has passed.
AKA police state. We will see Satsi-like (secret police of East Germany) actions where rioters or people will disappear during the evenings. Many police are just dying to bust some heads.
That's what they train to do - brutalize the American people. They don't have those AR-15's in their trunk to fight Al Qaeda you know?
The police are blood thirsty, and they have 100% of the support of the right wing in America. The divide and conquer tactics surrounded OWS have been brilliantly employed. Most right wingers cry out for the blood of their countrymen for daring to exercise their first amendment rights.
And blood they shall have.
It's true - the system needs changing.
it's also true that violent revolution is prone to develop into dictatorship (because you rely on someone to lead you through the battle)
There is an alternative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchosyndicalism
Grass roots change - not all anarchists throw molotovs.
No we don't. Most of us run in the Chaotic Good lineup. But we do have to show some force to illustrate the business at hand.
And then, God will sort it all out! i've got a 50% chance of going to hell, i know of others who've got 100% certainty!!!!
old time saying
better a hundred go free than 1 innocent be jailed.
has become
kill em all let god sort it out.
fascist much????????????
Of course if your g-man is good with this then you may not really be in for the garden and virgins and all that jazz.
you don't have to roll the dice.
you can be 100% certain of where you will end up
Leaving is not necessary. The system will eventually collapse due to pervasive rot.
The mob is fickle...too fickle...The PTB have way too many weapons in their arsenal...I'm not an elite apologist by any means...If there was ever a mass revolt and the 'peasants crossed the moat'...We would see unimaginable weapons (EMP's...Sound...Viral...Chemical...Nuclear..etc...) This is not good for anybody on the receiving end...Sure, there would be resistance 'Vet militia' orgs. but Mercenaries have no superego and 'No Quarter'...
I personally fear 'false flag' type events most...Havoc, chaos would ensue quickly...This attitude and position may get booed but the masters no longer require slaves...Keep this in mind...........
My fear as well. One good push into a full-blown police state.
will not be a police state-- too much land -- too many places to hide--too many guns --too many people to control--too much information to process-- too many groups to infiltrate-- on and on-- the only thing that is working is propaganda-when that goes the PTB are in the shitter--- trust me on this.
Would be limited for sure. Some places worse than others. Major cities realizing a greater level of control than areas of open country. Possible check points along highways and roads to curtail movement. Curfews. Government controls on more everyday actions including purchases. Banks playing along with limits on withdrawals, transfers, etc. Laws bent further to allow for warrantless search and siezure of property. Etc.
You discount corruption--cigerettes at the check points --payolla to the local enforcers-- local graft and corruption are the checks and balances on central despots-- underground and blackmarket will become the new norm--cash and barter are untraceable and easy-- kids will laugh at the govt guys cause everybody will be ignoring them. And they have to live somewhere--
I'm with the g. Police state isn't sustainable (beyond what we already have) temporally or geographically.
g speed...I admire your courage and your reasoning but.....
80% of the U.S. population lives in the cities and suburbs.
Restriction of commerce to the rural areas would quickly increase that number as rural areas fell into economic depression and starvation.
America is an advanced nation which relies heavily upon tele-communications. There are already systems in place monitoring the entire internet. 99% of the people still use their cell phones, still use the internet, and still post their political opinions obliviously from their home ISP connection with zero effort to hide their identity. Oh, but you're really smart, you use the name "g speed" so there's no way they'll be able to find you!!!!!11!11one. Never mind that you're simultaneously logged into your gmail account and facebook accounts. Never mind that you don't know what a flash cookie is. Never mind that 1 letter to your ISP results in your entire DNS history being handed over to any LE agency that wants it. Never mind that 1 letter to google dumps every search query you've ever sent and all your email (wheter deleted or not). I could go on, but you get the point.
It would be extremely simple to implement a police state in the U.S. In fact, I submit to you that we're already living in one. Between the pervasive electronic surveillance (banks, communications, search queries, shopping, credit cards, cell phones, geo location, etc.) and random physical security check points - what more do you expect? Men with AR-15's roaming the air ports and bus stations? Too late. State sponsored molestation of children? Too late. Warrantless surveillance of the entire country? Too late. Secret government "kill lists" used to assassinate American citizens using aerial death drones? Too late.
How much more of a police state are you expecting? This is simply an issue of "they haven't come for me yet." Well, good luck with that.
It sucks feeling helpless agianst these things I totally 1000% agree but the alternatives are 'off the grid'...
i am seriously rethinking my relationship with the rest of mankind for the rest of my life. ...people can do all the growth and development and progress ...that people want ...i m out of this madness....
Or you can just go to a place that isn't a police state run by psychotic Christian zionists hoping for the end times and the anti-christ.
Opting out of civilization is not a solution. And it is a form of "running", that all these nutty "off the grid, under the radar" survivalists decry so heavily.
Opt out of tyranny, not civilization.
Ok.Violence is not the solution.How are we to get Ron Paul elected?
violence doesn't have to be the solution.
just the question.
I like that. Had to read it twice. Would make a hell of a bumper sticker!
donate and get young people registerd as REPs so they can vote in primaries--- primaries are the key--
If Dr. Paul gets elected, we will see a repeat of what happened the last time that Congress responded to the will of the people (the first TARP vote). The criminals behind the scenes will break everything, and blame it on him.
It will take more than electing Ron Paul. The House and Senate will block him at every turn, he'll be a lame duck President from day one. What I recommend he does is admit that he'll get nothing done at least till the midterm elections and then present a list of people whom he would like us to vote in to replace ALL INCUMBENTS! That's the only way I see him being effective.
I already vote against all incumbants since TARP.
Political parties are irrelevant. If you've been in office the past X years, I want you out of office because there has been no change except change for the worse.
Ron Paul for President !!
Ron Paul for GOD... I mean, just one term, lets see how he works out.
too fuckin' many "gods" already, no thx.
just learn to stand on your own two feet, then help the person(s) next to you - stop with the sky-god nonsense.
The only remedy for the American people is the Restored Republic. We the People have re-inhabited the de jure republican form of government abandoned when Abe Lincoln suspended the original constitutional government prior to the the Civil War.
There will be no remedy with the Federal Corporation. They don't have to listen to you, nor are they. The DC corporation is broken beyond repair. The DC corp was established unlawfully and fraudulently in 1871.
You, of course, do not have to believe what I am telling you. Go see for yourself? Investigate, discover the facts! See what we have done and are doing!
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
http://republicoftheunitedstates.org
http://missourirepublic.org
http://barefootsworld.net
First of all, you and those like you are an extreme minority in the U.S. Less than 1% of the population. What you hate is what the rest of the country loves and voted for - security and socialism to provide material comfort.
Second of all, any rebellion or attempts to secede will be met with extreme violence. See my first point - 99% of the country wants to live in a police state.
Vote with your feet or lay down and think of England as you live out your miserable days in an ever more brutal police state.
The MBTA in MA already has random checks at the train stations. It annoys the HECK out of me, and one day actually made me late for work b/c I got pulled aside and missed my train.
They used to make you open up your bag and check it (they still can, but thanks to the yeoman's work of the MASS ACLU, now they need to prove probable cause in court to do so - like if you are a brown person).
Now, when they pull random people aside to have their bag "inspected", its done by some machine that checks for radiation. TSA is often there with the Transit Cops hacks and their dogs, who are obviously loving the overtime. In Philly, they actually have cops and dogs in military gear, M-16s in tow on the fucking platform.
The thing is: it's not even EFFECTIVE, IMO. If I wanted to bomb a train station, and had a bomb in my bag, and I walk up on the scheduled day to see those guys in front of the counter checking bags - I JUST WALK THE FUCK AWAY! Ditto when I see the bad ass motherfuckers with the M-16s. I'd try another time because if I was a terrorist with any brains (hint: the majority don't), I'd know the states don't have enough money to cover details to provide preventive services for EVERY train/bus station.
They cannot check your person without probable cause, so those who do courier contraband via public transit (like weed) just do a simple thing: put it on your person. Again, INEFFECTIVE if they really want to catch bad guys (although weed should be legal, but it's actually coke dealing that is most promenent around bus+train stations).
A waste of taxpayer cash. But that's what corporate-led govt's do - they set other people's money on fire.
This article says it all......but if you do not vote, then you get the refrain of: "if you don't vote...don't bitch". I VEHEMENTLY disagree. If you pay taxes, or are affected by these bribed criminals (hint: you are), then you have every right to bitch.
THIS.
Carlin even said it himself: "People like to turn that around (Don't VOTE? Don't BITCH!) But I like to think the opposite. If YOU voted them IN, and THEY FUCK everything up, then YOU are PART of the PROBLEM. *I*, on the OTHER hand, who did not vote...who did not vote, who didn't even WALK out of the house on election day, have nothing to do with the MESS you VOTERS helped create. I pulled on a pole that day as well, and at least when *I* was done masturbating, I had a *little* something (cum) to show for it, folks!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efKguI0NFek
"In Philly, they actually have cops and dogs in military gear, M-16s in tow on the fucking platform."
Go to bed with dogs and you wake with fleas...
Go to bed with Israel and you wake with... fleas.
A change of venue doesn't "change" anything! You can't run from trouble forever! What does one do when tyranny is EVERYWHERE? Where do you go then?
I agree with the guy over at DollarVigilante. The key is to find a country too poor to afford the trappings of a police state. The high tech surveillance society in every wealthy Western nation is simply unaffordable in many countries (especially South America). Nor do they necessarily have the technical skill to implement it even if they got the funding.
BTW, the Jews that fled Germany before the gas chambers fired up prove your theory wrong. Seems you CAN run from a bad situation. If you see it coming far enough ahead and have the balls to do something about it.
Disarm them. Vote with your feet, walk away from fee'at. Seize their chief tool, which can be yours yesterday. Accept reality and act like you're in another manufactured depression foisted on you, because you are; avoid debt by all means available, don't get something unless you actually need it. Accept/demand remuneration alternatives for local goods/services rendered. Barter when feasible.
(all void where prohibited, recreant, lazy, apathetic, or unconscionable)
"Is anybody alive in here? Anybody alive in here? Anybody at all in here?"
Hard to take those 50 inch TVs with you to South America when you flee the police state. Stop spending money. Liquidate assets/collectibles. Make your plan, execute.
Do not be a good little consumer sheep. Do not provide them additional slave labor/canon fodder (children).
Vote with your feet.
Guy fawkes incident was one of the BIG False Flag operation
Webster Tarpley ... (ZH's own GeoPol) ... interviewed on BBC "From Guy Fawkes -> 9/11" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRAvAsJSj4Y
Yes, we must put a halt to all the train and bus bombings in this country.
Quick,hire a million goons and put them to work.
That shoud stop this horrible violence.
thank THE ONE for his gracious concern over my little train.
Maybe they could erect blast walls at all the train crossings! Yeah, that's the ticket.
I do agree, for once, with Simon Black.
People talking about "revolution" or "hang the banksters" are incredibly ridiculous, and must all repulse women, for several reasons:
(1) They are, in all truthfulness, incapable on the physical and moral level to do themselves what they advocate (i.e. inevitably wounding and killing people to make their way while avoiding to be wounded and killed themselves)
(2) They don't understand that since the USA is officially a universal democracy, any violent overthrown of the government would be sanctioned, both by the medias, the international community and the majority of the people, as a fascist Coup against the will of the majority
(3) They seemingly don't know that the punishment, today, for killing Lloyd Blankfein or Ben Bernanke is a lethal injection table (or they do know, and that's why it hasn't already been done). That you killed him on ideological grounds makes no difference since the Law System is against you, and the police/justice always obeys to the Government in place, not the wannabe Government (for paycheck and psychological reasons).
You're right. The sheeple want to live in a police state. They do not care about liberty or the constitution so long as they have minimal levels of material comfort.
Fat people with access to endless entertainment do not revolt.
Tell me when the SNAP cards stop going out and the TV/sports/video games are unavailable and maybe you'll see the fat sheeple get off their asses - not in support of liberty, but to demand hand outs and material comfort.
You're right, the Canadians should take some of the blame for developing insulin and not keeping it to themselves.
Violence never "solves" anything. But sometimes it is necessary in order to move the plot along.
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov
Violence would only strengthen the police state and further erode American's liberties. That's the next scene in the plot, if you choose to go down that path.
Using those good old boy Georgia nut jobs to try and prove your point is a joke. Having lived in the deep south for 17 years and dealing with those kind of nut jobs on a regular basis I can say those old farts that have been busted seem like the typical red neck, crazy mother fuckers.
Now if you want to talk about the police state on the 99ers, or on millions of illegal wire taps, or on the the NSA gathering the info on this thread, well then you would have a point.
Fawkes actual first name was Guido - subsequently abbreviated to Guy. The "Gunpowder Plot" is an interesting example of State manipulation of activist plots. England was threatened by the Catholic expansionist Spain and the new Protestant Church and Crown/State was looking to find internal scapegoats to remind he general population of the threat and prove their power to fight back against undercover plots and priestly intervention.
Robert Cecil, Earl of Salisbury, and one of the chief advisors to the Crown was also head of the secret service and is thought to have been aware of the plot long before Guido and his boyos descended to the cellars with their candles and fuses. It is likely that the patsies were merely caught in a sting operation.
is this piece missing a conclusion or something?
(rolls eyes)
Why yes it is. He failed to say whether we should all go to the Moon, or Mars.
Otherwise, I find his piece to be spot on. Violence is not the answer. Community building from the bottom up though, is. Too bad Simon has no clue about this, but prefers to live life on the run from all of the bad guys.
indeed
What kind of "answer" is that? How is that not running? You move to some semi-rural area where "community building" is possible and fortify it? Fortress within a fortress?
Your little ghetto in bum fuck nowhere surrounded by a high tech police state? That's your fucking solution?
There isn't gonna be a revolution. There won't be blue helmeted U.N. troops marching up to your shit shack on 2 acres to take ur guns and bible. No, just more of the same.
More check points. More "papers please." More high tech surveillance (most of you have no fucking clue, or you don't care - after all, "nothing to hide? Nothing to fear).
Nobody gives a fuck if you move to bum fuck nowhere and never leave the house. If that's how you want to live then America will be the place to build your fortress of solitude.
But if you like to travel, sorry. CBP check points. TSA check points. TSA at the air ports.
Or leave the house? Sorry, TSA at the sports stadiums. TSA at the malls soon.
That's your solution? Shelter in place while the police state apparatus is hardened around you? What then? Huddle in your basement?
OK. What's your solution? I must be a waterhead, because it looks to me like you just want to bend over and take it.
Why so much focus on destroying, abandoning, starving, collapsing the existing system? Why not some discussion about constructing a replacement (or a return to that which never really took root)? In the end, that is going to matter more...
This is a very good question. And the answer is very simple:because this website attracts a lot of stupid, unproductive,ignorant, lazy idiots.
You need to understand what makes the world tick: it is a steady progress of science and technology. That what moved humans from monkeys (but obviously not all). This crisis shall pass as many others. It is already obvious that the next catalyst in America is natural gas based on fracking technology. It will make US energy independent, create many new meaningful jobs and end terrorism (funded by US petro dollars). That combined with oil produced in Canada from tar sands will return American greatness for another hundred years. But, first, we need to defeat Marxist Obama...
And Simon Black? Just failed real estate agent pretending to be a new messiah and making money on his apocalliptic "visions"
along the way.
"science and technology" has been co-opted by the military and various off-the-books shadow agencies - it's currently being used AGAINST the peoples, witness GE, Monsanto, Raytheon, oh what-the-hell, the list is way to long to be bothered with. . .
the notion that "science & technology" are "progress" when it comes to humanity went the way of Disneyland's TomorrowLand expositions. . . propaganda. . .
Guy Fawkes - the only man to enter Parliment with honest intentions and still failed.
Some people say that about Bill Ayers (I don't)...
In addition to all of the "catcher's gear" do the cops wear cups? Just wondering how truly vulnerable they are.
Funny, but during more equal times the police were not needed so much for this country's citizens. The charter of the NSA didn't allow for spying on the citizens of this country. The FBI didn't focus MOST of its attention on the most petty of criminals (Martha Stewart) while ignoring the most damaging of criminals in Washington and the Too Big to Enforce or Regulate banks. We actually put them in jail just 15 years ago during the savings and loan scandal. Preachers could actually speak out against this unjust system without fear of losing tax exempt status.
The incomes of the top 1% tripled during the recession. At what point do the police in this country become 'thug enforcers' of an unequal, unconstitutional, illegal and immoral system?
Michigan actually reversed their imminent domain case that is now Federal Law. Corporations now contribute in a major way if not control who is elected and certain laws such as insider trading do not apply to congress.
Hey republican morons: Inequality creates class struggle/warfare.
I'm ashamed to admit I was once a repugnicat. You now turn my stomach.
The best way forward is to ignore, dodge, 'fly under the radar' for as long as possible...It may not be the 'tough guy/something to prove/stand up to the man' thing to do but direct resistance is a deathwish...I read a lot of kill, destroy, and fight the system here on ZH...I'm with ya' but survival is the key phrase here...If they can shot JFK in broad daylight and cover it up using Mass Media Propaganda, arm twisting witnesses, and psy-op methods...Imagine what is possible 50 years later...I just don't believe in a Marxist dialectic type Helter Skelter change at the top...Those people on top (The Elite) will stay on top moving forward and there's nothing anybody can do about it...I'm just trying to look out for you guys out there in ZH-ville.....
Considering you almost certainly posted that without a VPN connection or TOR, you're already on the radar buddy.
The only way to stay "off the radar" is to not have opinions. And you certainly shouldn't be expressing them on the internet or visiting dubious sites such as thsi one.
The internet is basically a giant spy net. You wanna be "off the radar?"
1. throw away your cell phone
2. NEVER talk politics with your family/friends over your land line
3. either learn how to protect yourself online and dissipate your online foot print, or get the fuck offline
Really, though, simply by being an American you are "on the radar." You have a social security number. You have a bank account. You have a voting record. You have a credit card history.
All of these things are data mined and profiled. You are in the data bases.
Sorry, but you're deluded if you think you can be "off the radar." At best you can hope that the data they have identifies you as low threat. Being associated with sites like ZH is a bad move if that's your goal buddy.
BTW, I believe OWS is the last life raft of people using policy and discussion to change things, they way REPUBLICS USED to govern, before shit hits the fan.
Populism is good, but when it doesn't get its way, it gets angry. You can't screw people for infinity. Just ask the French.
If OWS fials to change anything: May the Great Riot (and the 4th Turning) begin
Laughable. OWS just wants more hand outs and for the nanny state to get bigger and stronger.
OWS is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Keep in mind at all times that they aren't asking for the police state to be pared down, or for liberty to be restored. No, they are just asking for hand outs and more material comfort.
I freakin' HATE Simon Black. Not because of his ideas or recommendations, but because of his uncontrollable annoying-as-shit pomposity, and his total "I am the Indiana Jones/James Bond hybrid, but way cooler" bullshit. Why Tyler runs his crap is beyond me. Zero Hedge is too good for this clown.
If it helps, read it in Robin Leach's voice. That way it turns into satire.
Thanks! That just may be the solution for me!!!
SOme people confuse(for good media driven reasons) local control with helter-skelter.
they have educated the many in the Fed gvt as beneficial when in fact it's a curse at the size it now is.
It is not helter-skelter to advocate for it to be cut to 1/10th it's size although the outcome of that may in fact BRING helter-skelter.
There is your choice, once you pull the crack from the addict , welp!
Do you really need to hit bottom to change?
K-Lover...The Fed Government will only get bigger...I hope I'm wrong...And yes I will vote for RP...I hope it does some good but I have reservations concerning it's effectiveness...
The only time that violence is acceptable is to overthrow the likes of hitler or despots. Regardless of the rhetoric on this site, the western world has not even started to approach that time. I'm concerned about the police violence towards protesters... but this is not sanctioned and not representative of how police in general operate.
What's going on in this day and age is the end of the welfare state and the erosion of the middle class. You need to ask yourself, if the welfare state would not have existed, how much better would society be...
You're boring. I only hang out with fun people.
So, as an ace, free-lance copywriter, my thoughts turn toward pitching minor hotel chains with the proposition they display on their marquees, "Dissenters Welcome!"
As per the FBI, now there's a rat infested hell hole if there ever was one. Lots o' 911 questions unanswered there. What's that I smell? A future of hangings for sedition?
Per dissent, my thoughts turn to the founders who began this nation's journey with "a decent respect to the opinions of mankind" as a guiding principle. Forward looking and sensible. Indeed, without this is the likely doom of any political movement.
Per your "Politics creates problems, not solutions," this is seditious talk, sir, and it is unwelcome in more thoughtful parts.
Do you have any clue what power #OWS possesses right now were, in the promise of disbanding, the organization to make just this one demand: IMPEACH OBAMA NOW.
There's certainly no shortage of high crimes he has committed!
There's a Congress that just made history in reading the U.S. Constitution at the start of the 112th Congress.
There's dissent in the streets.
1, 2, 3 IMPEACH OBAMA NOW and the sum of today's dissent, well-summarized in a lack of accountability in government, is most effectively addressed. As for the majority of swine in Congress who will for the first time in their political careers actually act to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States" in bringing Obama to justice, well, these, like Tony LaRussa, can go out winners.
I so disagree, though, with your ideas toward government. In the internet age, are you kidding? There's never been greater power for a free man to have a voice. Wake up.
The only way to change course now is to end the FED. In order to do so all 'Israel types' will have to be deported from the USA.
But you say: "why eject the good Israel types they did nothing wrong"?
Answer: because the bad ones will hide behind the good ones and claim they are good so every Israel type has to go. NOW!
Israel will welcome them with open arms.
There is no where to walk away to douchebag. Its a global government and it will clamp down on all of us. One must make a stand or lose all.
In the long run, yes. In the short run, you can live in peace and liberty in some South American country that doesn't have the money to build a police state apparatus to track your every move.
Will the New World Order be reality? Yes. But it won't encompass the whole world any time in the next 50 years.
So don't have children, unless you want them to be debt slaves to the neo-feudal aristocracy that has already set their family lines up to rule humanity forever under the brutal heel of the NWO.
I've been saying for 2 years that US would drift toward more authoritarian rule. Inevitable.
But it's a mistake in the US today to underestimate the determination (and desperation) of both sides. We like to snigger and say that everyone will soon return to their boob tubes and complain to the wall. But the situation is such that both sides have learned some home truths during the crisis. And people are going to be less inclined to accept BS and propaganda.
Only because it will replace free stuff. I don't think there's one person in a hundred that desires liberty, instead of MORE of something.
Hmm.... I guess that makes me a part of the 1%.
That's right. OWS wants more hand outs and free shit from the government and a bigger socialist government apparatus to provide it. They don't give a fuck about liberty or ending the police state.
That's the ultimate mistake that libertarian types make - believing that their fellow man wants to be free; he doesn't. He wants material comfort. The women want safety for them and their crotch fruit. Between the two of them, they're exactly the sort of fat illegal alien Hispanic couples you see all the time in the U.S. now. They just want their food/drugs/entertainment and they want to be safe from harm. That's all they want.
Nice article, now what to do: Please consider these these 2 ideas:
- Others have have power over us because we let them control the money supply. Consider being your own bank: store wealth in precious metals and other hard assets. At least use a local credit union.
- When a politician promises something, ask, "Or else what?" What do they have at stake if they don't make good on their promise? This changes the power dynamics from fiat win-lose, to equal contact. Details
I saw a fat bitch creating policies that violate Americans fourth Amendemant. Why won't these pricks answer their phones?
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~ Benjamin Franklin
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Dr. Nancy
Who is John Galt?
I agreed with him right up until the end of the article when he said:
"When enough people pick up and leave, essentially voting with their feet, it accelerates the system crash.
This is the only way to truly change the system."
Does he have any examples where this strategy worked? How many people would have to leave and where could they possibly go? If 1% of the people in the U.S. left, for instance, I doubt it would suddenly collapse the US government or cause it to somehow magically reform itself. In fact, it would probably tend to make it more extreme, as those most wanting reform would no longer be there to work towards that end.
That 1% would be in excess of 3 million people. Where would they go? To Mexico? Europe? Are those countries any better than the one they are leaving, or do they too need reform? Perhaps they could all move to a deserted desert island somewhere & start some new utopian society?
If it took 10% of the population, that of course would mean an exodus of more than 30 million people. I doubt that would rectify abuses either, though I'm sure it would cause a lot of logistical problems for awhile.
In the end, I have to echo George Carlin's words with respect to this author's remedies for our ills:
"I know I am not listening to a serious person.”
He is not talking about leaving geographically. He is talking about leaving politically,economically,socailly. Refuse to participate in their nameless "society" Stop filling out their paperwork and forms. OPT OUT.
Don't say it's not possible. I've already done it running on 4 years now.
It does seem to me to be rather impossible to do completely. Do you live as a squatter? You pay no taxes, own no real estate and file no income tax returns? Are you not required to fill out forms if you have a job?
There is a minimum income below which you don't have to file a tax return;
Renting or leasing requires no forms to the government;
Some people own property and even vehicles through a relative,
whereas, rich people often do it through a corporation with a lawyer as a front;
Agricultural laborers aren't required to fill out forms to work and
many construction workers and gardeners don't either, although, they are required to.
I suspect that a significant protion of the American population is below the radar.
it's not all that difficult, but it does take a certain perspective.
You're right, of course. Very few Americans have the money to go out of state on a 1 week vacation, let alone expatriate. Of those that DO have the money, most of them are happy where they are, after all, they're doing well financially which provides status and material comfort.
So the number of people that are both capable and willing to leave is infantismally small.
And there are still people fighting tooth and nail to get INTO the U.S. Even if 1 million Americans expatriated every year (which they won't), there would be 5 million foreigners happy to take their place. Not just the worthless illegals either, but educated people with skills and money.
People need to shed their vanity. You are not special. You will not be part of the revolution. You will not crash the system.
What you can do, is strive to optimize your own personal happiness in the short time you have on this planet. If you value liberty over safety and material comfort, then you should get the fuck out of the U.S.
The militia movement of the 1990s changed government. Their issue was putting an end to religious persecution by government agencies (For example, Ruby Ridge and Waco TX). When the US legislature passed laws ending those problems, the movement evaporated.
In the 1700's there were over 200 ways to commit a capital offense in England. To give you an idea: girls were senteced to death for stealing warm scarfs from respected society (to keep warm in the winter) and children were imprisoned for stealing bread. Add to this religious intolerance and you have overcrowded prisons. So the English establishment sought the American colonies as a repository for the unwanted. When the 13 colonies united and declared independence the English establishment turned next to Australia to store prisoners.
Since there is no more undiscovered land I wonder how the oppressed will be able to declare independence and have an ocean (or two) as a natural separation from the oppressor. Also, out-of-site / out-of-mind no longer works in a modern world increasingly dominated by worldwide communication; the unwanted can still be a thorn in the side thereby ensuring its continued pursuit by the oppressors. Not too many empires have been known to go away quietly in the night and only democracies have been known to never go to war against each other. In a true democracy the majority is sovereign. In a Federal Republic (the USA's technical form of government) the individual is sovereign. So where did America go wrong?
In Klein's Dilemma it states that in order to defeat your enemy you must beceome your enemy. For example, to hunt down a serial killer you need to think like him or her to anticipate their next move. As you adopt their reasoning you become it, it is inescapable. The original poster points out that nation wide facial recognition is coming and is further evidence of a police state. In the book "Stranger in a Strange Land" all the people wore hooded garments for this very reason. If technology is made to repress and oppress then theoretically it can be made to ensure civil liberties and freedom of the human spirit. It is, after all, a dilemma.
Sometimes I think the Amish got it right. Thank you ZH for the opportunity to rant.
Something that Murray Rothbard had pointed out was that there has never been a successful violent revolution in a country with a democray. The fact that a government is in charge means that they do have the approval of the majority albeit passive approval.
Even today, a LOT of the people want the government to take care of them from cradle to grave. Most of these people don't realize the inconsistencies in their positions.
This is what I love about the Ron Paul campaign though. He's questioning the very role of government in our lives. The day the majority of the people understand that government cannot solve anything and that it is the root cause of all problems, that's the day you'll see real change.
Excellent post, _Alekhine_
Unfortunately, although your solution is correct, it will be very difficult to achieve. Our government, after all, is in charge of indoctrinating educating our children. Those with the power, financial or otherwise, to control/influence our government the most also have similar if not more influence over the mass media.
People need to wake up to the reality, but I'm not overly confident that will happen without massive and painful upheaval in our society and throughout the world.