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Precrime In America

The U.S. Department of Homeland security is working on a project called FAST, the Future Attribute Screening Technology. FAST will remotely monitor physiological and behavioural signals like elevated heart rate, eye movement, body temperature, facial patterns, and body language, and analyse these signals algorithmically for statistical aberrance in an attempt to identify people with criminal or terroristic intentions.

It’s useful to briefly talk about  a few of the practical problems that such a system would face.

Firstly, the level of accuracy in remote monitoring. Is it possible to engineer a system that can remotely tell you the heart-rate of a hundred passengers  passing through a TSA checkpoint? Yes. Is it possible to do so accurately? That is much, much harder. The obvious conclusion is that such a system, were it to be deployed in the wilds of airports (and presumably, other locations where our ever-benevolent technocratic overlords determine “terrorists” or “criminals” may be operating) would — given a large enough number of scans — produce a lot of false positives stemming from erroneous data.

But let’s assume that such a system can be calibrated to produce a relatively accurate data set. Now we are faced with the problem of defining “suspicious” behaviour. Surely a passenger with the flu or a cold — who might have an elevated body temperature and a faster heart rate — would set alarm bells ringing. So too would someone suffering from pre-flight anxiety, people taking certain medications, the elderly and so on. Given that TSA screening protocols have prevented precisely zero terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11 (even in spite of the fact that 630 million passengers fly each year ) this merely suggests that vulnerable people will end up getting hassled by the TSA to an even greater extent than they already would be today. This is no laughing matter — a nervous but otherwise perfectly innocent passenger might end up getting tasered and die — something which of course has  happened multiple times already. Or —  under the NDAA (2011) — false-positives might end up being indefinitely detained on totally erroneous grounds.

Of course, the next problem is distinguishing the guilty from the innocent. Simply, this system would seem to produce nothing other than circumstantial evidence. Given that no crime would have yet been committed, how would it be possible to prove nefarious intent? Perhaps one day a terrorist or drug smuggler (got to keep fighting the war on drugs…) will be foolish enough to try to carry a gun or a knife through a TSA checkpoint and onto an aeroplane, but given that a metal detector could have detected that anyway, what is the point of this new technology? Surely it is to pinpoint potential terrorists who would otherwise not be picked out by the body scanners? In that case, would the end result just be that people — with no real evidence against other than a fast heart rate and some perspiration — end up being thrown off their flight? Would people who are subject to a false positive and as a result miss a flight try to sue the TSA for wasting their time and money?

Next, just as a committed and composed liar can fool a polygraph, surely terrorists and drug smugglers out in the wild would adapt their behaviour to avoid detection. There are of course prescription drugs that can be taken to reduce the physiological symptoms of anxiety, and thus fool the detector.

Then there are the problems in testing. Subjects in the laboratory trials (taxpayer-funded, of course) have been told to go through the system with the intent to cause a disruptive act. The system has been fine-tuned to detect subjects in a controlled laboratory environment. Simply, there is no data on the effectiveness of this system against terrorists in the wild. The wild is a totally different environment, and the mindset and physiological cues of a real terrorist may well be entirely different to those of a laboratory subject who is pretending (we just don’t know until we try it on a large enough sample of real terrorists). The notion that it can catch terrorist seems wholly pseudo-scientific, and based on the false premise that terrorism has an identifiable set of physiological cues.  The entire operation is based on the (possibly flawed) premise that a terrorist will be nervous, and that therefore we should cast an extremely wide dragnet to further interrogate and intimidate nervous people. That is guesswork, not science.

As Alexander Furnas writing in the Atlantic states:

We should ask, in a world where we are already pass through full-body scanners, take off our shoes, belts, coats and only carry 3.5 oz containers of liquid, is more stringent screening really what we need and will it make us any safer? Or will it merely brand hundreds of innocent people as potential terrorists and provide the justification of pseudo-scientific algorithmic behavioral screening to greater invasions of their privacy?

It is ridiculous — and totally contrary to the Fourth Amendment — that the courts have franked the notion that air travellers can be subject to invasive pat-downs and body scans without probably cause. But they did. In U.S. vs Davis, 482 F.2d 893, 908 the judge ruled that ”airport screenings are considered to be administrative searches because they are conducted as part of a general regulatory scheme, where the essential administrative purpose is to prevent the carrying of weapons or explosives aboard aircraft” and thatan administrative search is allowed if no more intrusive or intensive than necessary, in light of current technology, to detect weapons or explosives, confined in good faith to that purpose, and passengers may avoid the search by electing not to fly.”

But to effectively conduct a medical scan on passengers? Surely this goes well beyond being “no more intrusive or intensive than necessary“? How many successful terrorist attacks occurred after 9/11, even before the more invasive pat-downs and body scans were brought in? None. So why would deepening the security regime be necessary?

And now that the TSA has expanded its regime beyond airports and out onto the roads of America we must ask ourselves what the endgame of all of this is? Could it be to deploy these technologies on a widespread basis throughout American cities, malls, sports stadiums and using it to scout out potential troublemakers? Would that be deemed an “administrative search” too (and thus not subject to the Fourth Amendment)?

This logic — of giving incontrovertible and unchallengeable power to our benevolent administrative overlords and then hoping for the best — takes us to a dark and nasty place. It requires us to assume they have our bests interests at heart, and it requires us to assume that they will not abuse their power. The power to monitor these kinds of cues is a power that could easily be abused. A corrupt TSA agent might call a person they find attractive — even a child — out of the queue for a secondary search so that he or she can molest them with an enhanced pat-down. These new tools just enhance that power, providing a cloak of pseudo-scientific justification to the reality of citizens bowing down at the feet of their government and kissing the ring of power. Unquestioning obedience to power is a recipe for social catastrophe.

As Jefferson put it:

When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

Would I be picked out of the queue at the airport? Sure. I already am for my Arabic name. But I am nervous. And the things that make me nervous? Encroaching Orwellianism. The potential for the abuse of power. The potential for tyranny. The demand of unquestioning obedience. The money spent and debt accrued to develop these technologies. The fact that our governments are obsessed with terrorism to the extent that they will put tighter and tighter controls in place at airports, even though more people are crushed to death by furniture or televisions every year than are killed in terrorist attacks, while ignoring real threats to our society like excessive systemic risk in the global financial system.

That all scares the shit out of me.

 


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Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:19 | Link to Comment battle axe
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BIG BROTHER IS EXPANDING!!!! NOW KNEEL DOG AND OBEY!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment Ruffcut
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They would of had this sooner but used DC and Wall Street test subjects and blew the fucking machine up several times.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:34 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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The machine was wacked.....it kept spitting out portraits of Jon Corzine.

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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This definitely a move in the right direction. Crimes against the state, and threats thereof, are on the rise in America; especially from extreme libertarian groups like the so-called "sovereign citizens" and "the alternative market project". It's all very well to claim that you're a "peaceful" group, but what happens when one of these nuts plans a domestic terror attack or encourages people to stop paying their taxes? These groups are a threat to our way of life in America and to traditional American values. It is the duty of all patriotic Americans to keep an eye out for suspicious activity and to report ANY data they think might help the government to develop this technology. This is the only way we can ensure the safety of our children in America.  

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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 "traditional American values"

~~~

I'd prefer to keep my 'tradition' close at hand... It even goes on canoe trips with me... Don't leave home without it!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:10 | Link to Comment Ag Tex
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One more control mechanism in their quiver.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 12:59 | Link to Comment Hard1
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They already have precrime.  I know of people put on OFACs list first and investigate later.  They basically destroy your life as all your bank accounts an are frozen and you cannot do business for years until they realize that it was an "adminsitrative error"

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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precrime in America is that 99.9% of you don't have enough money to prove your innocence, merit, existence.

 

 

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment CPL
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Agreed, we should sell porn to Minors MillionDollarBonus and legalise herion then tax it.

 

First time we've ever agreed on anything.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:37 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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.....and to think we use to just count on the SEC and CFTC to do their jobs.

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Stale MDB. Your schtick is broken.

Because, It IZ AZIZ, see?

Here, everyone saw minority report and said...ohhhh, yeahhhhhhhh, awesommmmeeee.....

And all it was, was a pre-view to life in A Techno-fascist state. really difficult when you realize you are seen as an enemy in your own homw.

My heart-felt sympathies to all of us (me included).

Rise? Together? Perhaps?

Or is it everyman for himself?

ori

/socthr-e-never-too-late/

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment mtomato2
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That's why I don't even junk him any more.  Because his schtick is broken.  Ignore it and it will go away.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:12 | Link to Comment spiral_eyes
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There's a very fine line between funny and broken shtick, and yeah I think MDB is the wrong side of that line today.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Vampyroteuthis ...
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When will Tyler and co revoke MDB's account? He is obviously a shill for Wall St.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:46 | Link to Comment theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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I thought it was funny...

Don't ever leave MDB!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Its the Vatican...
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You guys obviously got sucked in to the MDB vortex.

Be careful you don't end up in a "schtick-coma".

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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Either you are making lots of money with this technology, just trying to screw with our heads or you are  a clueless product of the public school system.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment squilmi
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The age old (paraphrased) quote, "Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither" seems to apply directly to that kind of attitude.  It won't be long before you see TSA agents goose-stepping through your neighborhood.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment CH1
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Ya know what, MDB, I understand uber-sarcasm, but this is fucking slavery we're talking about now. There are certain lines you should not cross.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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"Sarcasm crosses all boundaries"

theMAXILOPEZpsycho

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment crawldaddy
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to our way of life in America

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what exactly is our way of life?  as if being loaded up to our neck in debt with a government up our ass is something special.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:42 | Link to Comment ejmoosa
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You mean the children that will be born so far in debt that the state owns them?

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Ruffcut
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That's what your birth certificate is. Certificate of ownership, moving towards the "soul" harvests.

I wish I was kidding.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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@MBD...

"These  groups are a threat to our way of life in America and the traditional American values".

Too fucking funny.

Which "way of life in America" are you refering to,your slavery...?

Fuck Off and die MDB.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment imbrbing
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These groups are a threat to our NEW way of life in America

 

There, fixed it for ya

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:45 | Link to Comment Decolat
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Well then, since ZH is full of 'suspicious activity', you'd better start turning us all in. It's the only way to be sure.

 

Turn yourself in while you're at it. Everyone (including you) is a potential pre-criminal.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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If we were attacked because "they" did not like our freedom. Guess who are the winner.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 23:53 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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Anyone could become a domestic terrorist, especially someone who already has a badge. Clearly there's only one solution - lock everyone up and have robots deliver every item to every person to ensure no personal contact is possible and furthermore have the robots only guess at any communication that may be needed, not allow direct means of any sort - no letters, internet, phone, line of sight, tin cans on a string, nothing. When in doubt, further the lock-down and induce sleep with drugs to entire city blocks.

Seriously, this is for our future.

Please, won't someone think of the children?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:29 | Link to Comment ihedgemyhedges
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You think Tom Cruise will clear Senate confirmation hearings to run the department????????

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Redball.

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 13:17 | Link to Comment espirit
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CalvinBall.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:29 | Link to Comment CPL
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A hero is only a sandwich.

Democracy is only an idea.

Freedom is being allowed to do what you are told.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:41 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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CPL, you think Freedom and Freedumb are homonyms by acccident?

ori

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:12 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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I often enjoy circle logic arguments with the baby boomer generation (I am 33) where I ask about the war on terror and what the military is fighting for.  The answer inevitably is "for our freedom".  With the follow up question on loss of the 4th amendment, those same boomers reply "for our safety". Those boomers that I talk to don't see the disconnect between these pervasive acts of violence and aggression on other countries and its own people.  They apparently are calling war and serfdom freedom. 

No worries though.  Those same boomers, who bought into the SS lie, will be needed to stock grocery shelves at 9 pm on a Tuesday.  They will be FREE to do that as well...actually, looks like they have to.

Son-of-a-bitch, pour me another drink.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:36 | Link to Comment Vampyroteuthis ...
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DRH, we are seeing the Boomers behave as they always have, in a narcissistic authoritarian manner. Other peoples ideas are good as long as I agree with them. You are oppressing me, but it is OK to oppress you though. Double standard to the core. Where is Cognitive Dissonance at?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:46 | Link to Comment Ruffcut
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CD has been detained for questioning.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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Where is Cognitive Dissonance at?

MADGE says: "You're soaking in it!"

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Time to discern the difference between ur gubbmint & a generation. If ur asking boomers about this & getting these answers, they're about as educated as you are. There's just as many that know what is happening which is nothing but a resource grab & I'd say creeping fascism, but fascism is already here. Have another drink. 

à votre santé

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 01:44 | Link to Comment bluebare
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I'm a baby boomer who can't argue with anything you said except the condescending asshole I spilled a perfectly good drink on part.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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There was once a dream that was Rome, you could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish. It was so fragile and I fear that it will not survive the winter.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 16:50 | Link to Comment OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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BUT ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED????

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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CPL, you are 100% correct that freedom is being allowed to do what you are told.

Freedom is permission.  Liberty is innate to every human being.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Historically, every empire has done the same thing before turning in to dust.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment carguym14
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I kneel before no man........

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Facecrime bytchez!!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:19 | Link to Comment Peter K
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Does skin color factor into these calculations? :)

Just sayin.....

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:31 | Link to Comment CPL
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Yes, If you look arab in anyway, you get a free ass grabbing and colon exam.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:37 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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CPL                   2354270

Yes, If you look arab in anyway, you get a free ass grabbing and colon exam.

 

Comment:

It seems to me you have it a little backwards. If you look arab, then you get to grab ass and give colon exams. I expect arabs to be running TSA shortly.

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:39 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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No actualy if youre Muslim you get a free pass thru TSA. 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Silver Dreamer
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They have to go easy on you, or you could sue them for profiling!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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...only if you are also a pedophile....they extend professional courtesy...

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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No way I'm subsidizing their healthcare, where's my free colon ... wait a minute.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:20 | Link to Comment PaperBear
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"an attempt to identify people with criminal or terroristic intentions" ?

What if it flags everyone ?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:31 | Link to Comment CPL
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Now you get it.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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No; it will not flag everyone.  Flagging everyone defeats the purpose.  There needs to be a carrot.  The carrot will be "behave this way, dress this way, have these papers, and you can go through".  The rest will be flagged.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment Silver Dreamer
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The problem with fascism is that everyone is a terrorist.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment CPL
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If you are rich enough you can just fly your OWN plane somewhere. There are no requirements to screen private jets.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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Everyone knows this.  These same rich people will not be flagged.  The system is designed to get people to conform.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment ejmoosa
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No, it IS the purpose.  This way they can pick and choose those that are free to go based on their own political motives.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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This way they can pick and choose those that are free

 

Dude, thats exactly what I said. It will not flag the ones they choose to allow to be free.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 04:31 | Link to Comment Sokhmate
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10 flag = rnd(int(1)*100)+1

20 ..

30 ..

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. (your code here)

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500 sleep rnd(int(1)*100)+1

510 GOTO 10

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:39 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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PaperBear                  2354236

an attempt to identify people with criminal or terroristic intentions" ?

What if it flags everyone ?

Comment:

Bankers and politicians excluded of course, unless they fall off from the game plan.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:41 | Link to Comment HoofHearted
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I wish this was a joke, but they will take away our passports when they pass new taxes that we cannot pay. Then those of us who can avoid that will be labelled terrorists at the airport, probably based on voting for Ron Paul or on the fact that we have PMs at home. Mark my words, there will be some new excuse for something even more invasive....oh, sometime next week.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:17 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Add to your list these indicators of 'pre-crime' activities:

1) Using cash

2) Talking positively about the Constitution and Bill of Rights and/or displaying the Gadsden flag

3) Criticizing an elected official or any other government bureaucrat

4) Failure to bend over when so instructed

5) Using vitamin supplements

6) Avoiding GMO foods

Etc.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment imbrbing
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Once everyone is flagged, all are under control. If you make spitting on the sidewalk a felony, you no longer have

any rights.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:19 | Link to Comment Platypus
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Meaning that people with Panic Attack Syndrome can end up in jail forever with no right to a lawyer.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment CPL
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Means anyone taking anti-depressants is going to have a tough time getting through an airport because the side effect of ALL anti-depressants is elevated blood pressure and in some cases sweating.

 

Or anyone on Liver or Kidney medication would have to be groped.  Because it's a side effect of all the medication that treats liver and kidney's.

 

Then if you are diabetic and you'r blood sugar isn't "just right" you can flush and sweat because you body is slipping into shock for sugar or too much sugar.

 

Or you are running to catch a plane...

 

I would go on, but I doubt even the staff could pass the analysis.  It's okay though, those body scanners throw off ALOT of radiation and I understand that cancer medication usage is up on TSA screeners.  Go figure work next to a moderately sheilded nuclear device all day for 10 hours and be surprised when the body starts growing extra bits.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Metalredneck
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On the upside; we sociopaths with no fear or understanding of recrimination or guilt, will sliiiide right by.  Or the really practiced perps.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment mc_LDN
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Especially given half the worrld has accute anxiety disorders. Thanks big pharma and modern world!!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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if you think you are not a criminal act like not a criminal then the program will sort you out as the criminal  too stupid to live..welcome to the gulag.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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All of this billion dollar technology in the hands of nitwits with single digit IQ's... What could possibly go wrong?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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One acronym? TSA.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:32 | Link to Comment CPL
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I don't know what anyone is worried about.

 

iPad updates boogle these people's minds. You think they are going to train a high school fuck up to do statistical deviation and MRI analysis.

 

Unless there is a huge cache of actuarials with medical skills I've missed somewhere in our population, I've not even going to hold my breath.  This project is civil servant empire building at it's finest.  Watch as the name changes six or seven times and the project is shelved from a lack of bodies capable of doing the job once Israel is shelled by the Russians and CHinese in a couple of months.

 

All the best laid plans of mice and men still require men to do the job.  Thermo nukes covering Israel from top to bottom turning it into a glass parking lot will take the mickey out of all these silo building projects out at the knees.  As much as the MSM pushes the Iran spitting contest, China and Russia have been pretty clear of what will happen to Israel if they mess with their capital energy investments, doubly so for the US.

 

I wouldn't doubt it would be the first time the Pakistan and India would be on the same side of the table because of their business interests as well.  If the House of David wants to continue pushing their luck that is.  I'm counting four nuke owning countries versus two.  If Europe sneezes, they get cut off from the oil from Russia, and Russia has done it a couple of times already.

 

Nobody wants a fight, but nobody wants the other actors on the world stage to get the leg up either.  This whole thing has no choice but to eventually escalate to a nuke fight and it will finish off the discussion of big dog once and for all.  Doves and Hawks will both pay very dearly for their incredible stupidity.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:24 | Link to Comment PaperBear
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So, will this be incarceration without any conviction, without any charge and without any crime ?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:32 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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No, they're just gonna take you out back and shoot you with one of their fancy new .40 hollowpoint bullets, just to make sure they work and all.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment Zgangsta
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I'm not worried.  The Minority Report will clear me.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment BlueCollaredOne
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Philip K Dick, the man who wrote Minority Report, was a fucking genius.  Not only did he foresee "precrime," but always wrote of how in the future authoritarian government are in cohoots with monopolistic corporations to enslave the entire populous.  The populous don't care though, because they are so medicated with drugs that replace love, happiness and empathy with a sort of chemically induced bliss state. 

If any of you want to get your head away from all this depressing non fiction that we are berated with everyday, I suggest picking up a Philip K Dick novel so you can be berated by the same subject matter, only in a fiction form

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Gene Parmesan
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Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment CPL
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Read "Man in the High Tower".  If you manage to get a copy it's pretty spooky that it reads like the current blue print.

 

It's an alternative history where Japan and Germany won world war two but nobody knew.

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment BlueCollaredOne
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Thanks for the rec.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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'That is guesswork, not science.'

'Science' is just another dead God. The cult of technology lives on without any real opposition to its folly and stupidity.

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Techmology is not Science. Science is a method.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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All the same, the 'method' has been corrupted. Underpinning science is the causal principle that has been amended in recent times, somewhat tragically it hasn't caught up with masses.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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yup, yup. The very underpinnings of our under-standing of the true movement of the Sun in relation to the 12 major constellations and the Galactic Core were turned on their head by an Indian Botany Professor in Venezuela. Fascinating story, beautiful, graceful reality and it answered so many questiions and eliminated false constants, the bane of theroitical science.

Empricism + philosophy = Vital Science

ori

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 13:08 | Link to Comment Canaduh
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Is there anywhere I can buy an $80 DVD that will explain this to me?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Science is the reason the machine you're reading this on exists.  The difference between science and dead gods is that science actually works.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Maybe after the killing.

The killing will come first.

Bet on that.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment DavidC
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Yet more reasons why I'm glad I don't live in the US or plan to visit there. You're welcome to it.

DavidC

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:35 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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I call a spot on your couch when shit gets real over here.  Cool?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment DavidC
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Cool!

DavidC

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:25 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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can an IMF ceo walk thru this without bells and blinking lights? could corzine? Oh I forgot they never fly anything but private jets and gov air.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Sociopaths have no conscience so it should be a piece of cake for them.

My guess, eventually it will key off the computer being built in Utah; it will key  off things like NRA member, Veteran, ZH member, Conservative, Christian - or any other search criteria they want to add.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:27 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Well -thats pretty much the whole population.

 

In Canada, they released a report last month that HALF the population suffers from anxiety. Well, living in this world - do you think?

So i guess us paranoid etch-a-sketch pads are fucked...

 

 And knowing these systems would be on the streets...wont make my heart feel any better...nor my nerves

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment CPL
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I don't know if you've been keeping up with the level of scavenging that's been happening.  Copper theft...cable theft....rail line theft.

 

Well it turns out that LA attempted to set this up and it was all stolen, not once or twice, three times.  With the economy the way it is, if the powers that be want an orwellian infrastrucutre they are going to have to figure out a way to stop all market dynamics of the real repo trade of scrap.

 

Kind of funny, the ivory tower blue blood bumble fucks that come up with these plans never stop to think about the fact all that junk they want to control people is worth the price of a meal.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:27 | Link to Comment DOT
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Remember the video of Atta jumping the gate ?

No sweat. No fear.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:26 | Link to Comment JohnKozac
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Phrenology (from Greek: ????, phr?n, "mind"; and ?????, logos, "knowledge") is a pseudoscience primarily focused on measurements of the human skull, based on the concept that the brain is the organ of the mind, and that certain brain areas have localized, specific functions or modules.

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/PhrenologyPix.jpg

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology

It didn't work back then either...waste of money....

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment CPL
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Same people also brought us the idea of a master elite race and managed to inbreed themselves to the point they had no chins, massive speech impediments, madness.

 

You think the British royals look the way they do by accident?  In a country of people you could dig a hole with their chins, the leadership has surprisingly soft inbred features on them.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:28 | Link to Comment dbomb12
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Watch out for the PreCrime police force, just like the movie minority report

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment DosZap
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So now we are going to be subject to arrest for THOUGHT crimes?.

Screw the fascist BSTDS

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:26 | Link to Comment I Am Not a Copp...
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EVERYBODY RUNS

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:28 | Link to Comment PaperBear
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"produce nothing other than circumstantial evidence" ?

There needs to be a crime to complete the phrase 'evidence of the crime'.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:53 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Living in the past is no longer an option.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:29 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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YAWN. "since everyone is suspicious" that problem is easily solved. Again..."the solution is not to have other people spy on you but to have you spy on yourself." and it's already been done. To EVERYONE. "YOU are watching you" now. Needless to say "there is no law against such a thing"...not that it isn't immoral and illegal in the extreme. Indeed to quote Alan Greenspan "how is one to know whether an irrational exuberance has taken hold" in such a "brave new world"? And indeed "there is no way of knowing."

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment pods
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Absolutely correct.  The technology will be a dismal failure, but the idea will take hold.

As you go through the machine you will be looking inside, trying to behave in an acceptable way.

And you will look at others, wondering.

SUSPICION is the goal here, nothing more.

Seems we have some East Germans still high up in the MIC?

pods

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 12:07 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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No house to live in any more. Food out of reach. No clothes to stay warm. another easy way to enter into FEMA camp and live a carefree life. Don't forget to take your toothbrush.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:30 | Link to Comment r00t61
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Governments aren't "obsessed" with terrorism.  It's merely the excuse they need to perpetuate the industrial-complex of their choice - in this case, the security-industrial complex.  If "combating terrorism" wasn't insanely profitable for the members of that complex - I guarantee that no one would be saying anything about "terrorism."

Most of the people I that I chat with at the airport are delighted to remove their shoes and their belts and their socks and get groped up by agents of the Empire.  It's "good" for security, they tell me.  After all, we can't have another 9/11, right?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:41 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Right, 'terrorism' is just a tool, and excuse the govt corporation of the U.S. itself thought up in order to do whatever they want and bring in a total police state.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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The Chertoff Group... they seem like reasonable guys as they fear monger on the various "news" programs... and consult with firms who take down huge contracts to expose fliers to radiation through scans that clearly don't work... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZ4woPg9VI - Here's a nice video.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:34 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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some how all the security is making me stay away from airports and now trains and bus terminals..it almost seems they do not want me to move about ..why is that?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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Soo, it's working? That's the intended result they are looking for. Never shut up and never sit down for a small piece of offered security traded for freedom.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:11 | Link to Comment mtomato2
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...and also, I can no longer AFFORD to travel.  Funny coincidence, that.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Dont get a boner within a mile of an airport.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:43 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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Quinvarius            2354285

Dont get a boner within a mile of an airport.

 

Comment:

Or they'll throw a TSA uniform on you, gloves included.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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Or recruit you for the SS and send you to Columbia.

See, Fascism ain't so bad all the time.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:37 | Link to Comment Anglo Hondo
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Use this technology on the TSA screeners when they report for work, and suspend any and all who fail the test.

That should ensure that passage through to the airline departure gate is not subject to ridiculous delays through snaking lines as at present.

 

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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Start with the GO GO clubs in THE CITY and near Wall Street.  We have expanded the Battle Field after all.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:38 | Link to Comment Josh Randall
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Stink-Eye monitoring is next

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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Eerily reminisent of the Minority report. Psy-oped at best. I call bunk unless your being monitored in real time on all your communication devices, and if so.. who cares?

Merika! land of the Free? USSA!!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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America needs a good little purge of all these authoritarian assholes...

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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Back in line.  Wait for it!

It's coming.  Oh yes Precious, it's on the way.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:42 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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wait...now we get to be treated as if we are black? WONDERFUL....Wonder how they will treat other black people now that white is black.....black is dead?

fuck the police comin straight outta Compton!

"brother's got it bad cause he's brown!"

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Just something nice and friendly...

http://youtu.be/-BP2QKuu9AM

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Zymurguy
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I don't care what technology is capable of doing and what the potential pitfalls are at this point... I'm just fucking pissed off at the amount of our hard earned money the government takes from us and gives to a department like this to waste on bullshit like this.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Not to be a one-hit wonder... as I say the same thing over and over... but these are all things that need to be done in order to continue to expand the debt machine.  Aggregate debt MUST expand... if consumers and corporations exit the debt ponzi scheme, something needs to step in.  Everything is easier to understand with that as the background information.  By the way... your hard earned money only goes to pay the interest.... the rest of this is just made up money.  The problem is... your hard earned money is quickly becoming worthless.  The end is coming, so says Cassandra.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment pods
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Keep hitting krid, repetition works!

pods

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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It's an interesting spot... I'm "that guy" who thinks that everything always comes back to that one thing.  Interesting in that I usually hate "that guy" and "that guy" is, at least in my opinion, stretching things to such an extreme to find a connection that he just appears silly.  Only in this case, I think "that guy" is spot on.  There seem to be a handful of like minded people here on this topic.  You and truth in sunshine jump to mind.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment Axenolith
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Exactly.  The #1 thing folks can do is to get out and tell others to secure their wealth, pay off debt and be prepared for hardship.  If the system can't get the masses to generate incresed debt, it's over.  As long as you have some modicum of basic subsistance material stored, and a good circle of neighbors, you'll be OK. 

Foregoing that in order to spend time creating lots of "made for statist TV" film clips of "dirty hippie protesters" that end up getting used to discredit anything contrary to the states interest is stupid.  Granted, if you got 1000 people in one place in suits/work clothes doing it without a bunch of sappy hangers on, that might count, but the tendancy I've seen on the left coast is for any attempt to create a large gathering to get infused with large numbers of oddballs and nutjobs and those are the people the cameras gravitate towards like flys to fresh crap...

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:48 | Link to Comment Ranger4564
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It's great to denounce it on a website, but no one is seeking your opinions.  The real work at hand is to organize into physical action groups and go protest this shit.  I keep telling every fuckhead i meet, stop the ranting on paper, time is of the utmost fucking essence.  Take courage NOW and collectively, vocally, physically express your dissatisfaction with how the world is being made into a police state.  Get out in the fucking street with millions of likeminded fuckers and oppose the system... tell these bastards enough is enough, no more of this crap, the millions of us are performing a citizens arrest, take them into custody for trial.  We must remove, indict, and prosecute these scumbags.  It doesn't matter if they thought they were doing the right thing, they are acting criminally insane and must be stopped.

I promise you all, if you don't start doing something now to oppose this in large groups all across the country / world, you will have no chance of opposing this later. Share this information and get people to come out and stand together.

There's good news... Occupy Wall Street is organizing a May Day set of events across the world, May 1st... make posters, banners, buttons, tshirts, flyers... believed many other groups will be out on May 1st also... use it as an occassion to gather support for your (our) cause, to put a fucking and final end to this madness.  Future generations are relying on our god damn courage and actions... what the fuck are you waiting for, the announcement that you're under arrest?  Worse, no announcement, you're just kidnapped?

Do something for fucks sake, DO SOMETHING!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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I was going to do something but since you swore at me, I won't.  I don't want your kind becoming overlords over decent people.

Clean up your act and show some responsibility.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment XitSam
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You'd probably get a better response if you didn't think of them as fuckheads.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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replace your banners and drum circles with firearms and you might actually get some traction.

Until then, you're just wasting calories.  

oh, and google "bucket bath", then feel free to widely share what you learned about field hygiene methods, dumbass stinking hippy.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment Ranger4564
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You don't have to join any group I belong to or organize with, the point was, organize around something and get out there to express your stake in this.

Who really cares, I'll be dead before this even gets far enough to be a probem for me directly.  I'm single.  I have no children.  And given my fascination with colorful language, i have no respect or friends.

Do whatever you please.  But don't forget to take responsibility for the outcome also.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment NuYawkFrankie
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Re The U.S. Department of Homeland security is working on a project called FAST, Future Attribute Screening Technology. FAST will remotely monitor physiological and behavioural signals like elevated heart rate, eye movement, body temperature, facial patterns, and body language, and analyse these signals algorithmically for statistical aberrance in an attempt to identify people with criminal or terroristic intentions

And in a related development the TSA is working on a project called FART, Future Assh@le Release Technology. FART will remotely monitor physiological and behavioural signals like elevated anal twitching, sphincter contraction rate, anal pre-release positioning, klingon pattern-detection, facial squirming (whilst raising either leg), and analyse these signals algorithmically for statistical aberrance in an attempt to identify people with severe propensity towards farting in enclosed spaces like airports, train-stations, bus terminals etc.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment scatterbrains
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now all you people trying to smuggle your gold out of the country will be picked up by the machines.

Don't be scurrred bitchezz!!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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The government could care less about terrorism.  It's just an excuse to enslave us.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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I said the very first day when passengers were asked to remove shoes at the airports that they are not looking for  another shoeomber but they are breaking your dignity.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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Based on the Department of Homeland Security's logic, since executives in the financial industry have caused far more death and destruction than all terrorist acts throughout known human history, shouldn't they be monitored every second of every day? They should be wearing tracking collars, undergo daily blood and urine tests, and be under video surveillance at all times just for starters. All their public and private transactions would need to be monitored as well. We simply cannot afford to trust these evil doers. National security is clearly at risk because of these weasels. And while we are at it, let's keep a watchful eye on those nasty crooks known as politicians and those extra scary believers wooed by the siren song of religion in all it's various flavors. Lot's of work to be done.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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Well said. We used to call it, State Sponsored Terrorism, they call it "policy".

There are only make believe boogie men, but their out to convince you different.

Here is an example.

http://media.adamdodson.org/var/resizes/Useful-Info/Fort%20Hood%20Shooter.jpg?m=1295408000

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment piper1
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The terrorists will be the ones running the machines.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Yeah, the same ones that are already running the country.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment CH1
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The terrorists ARE the ones running the machines.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment junkyardjack
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Thought Crime. Welcome to 1984 bitchez

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment sabra1
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so, if you've got parkinsons syndrome, it's off to your local fema family fun center!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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I got dibbs on the bottom bunk!! Whoo Hooo! I can't wait.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:00 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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Why do we have to go through all this drama.

Guilty at and of birth until proven innocent

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:10 | Link to Comment KickIce
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We are living the movie Demolition Man and Judge Dredd.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment Benjamin Glutton
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our current level of civil obedience is unacceptable.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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I agree.

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