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Guest Post: Presidents Day - Why Can't We Nominate Our Own President? We Can, We Are

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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

Presidents Day: Why Can't We Nominate Our Own President? We Can, We Are

Why can't the American public nominate their own candidate for president? It turns out we can, and are doing so for the first time in American history.

If the last 12 years have revealed anything, they have shown beyond reasonable doubt that both Status Quo political parties in the U.S. are hopelessly, ruinously corrupt and thus beyond any reform or redemption. We all know why: it now takes millions of dollars to run costly mainstream media election campaigns, and the only source for contributions of that scale is the financial/corporate Elite.

It doesn't matter how you arrange the taxonomy of the financial aristocracy that rules the nation or how you subdivide it--old money, new money, family money, corporate money, etc.-- the bottom line is these campaign contributions are viewed by the aristocratic donors as investments that yield gargantuan returns in tax breaks, subsidies, bailouts, sweetheart contracts, "get out of jail free" cards for the shadow banking system, and so on.

In Social Fractals and the Corruption of America (February 8, 2012) I wrote:

Clearly, the tax code is both legal and completely skewed to the very wealthy and politically powerful. $100,000 is still a fairly significant contribution in politics, and if that contribution ends up yielding a tax break that gains the donor $1 million in lower taxes, then that donation earned a 10-fold "return on investment."

Longtime correspondent Kevin K. described the reality from personal knowledge:

I had an old boss (I won't mention his name, but he is worth over $100 million) that actually tracked the ROI (Return on Investment) of every dollar he gave politicians.


By the mid 90's there was no better "investment" out there with a better return than "giving perfectly legal campaign contributions". Because of this, his "contributions" kept getting bigger and bigger (they are huge now, with much of the "perfectly legal campaign contributions" hidden by giving to PACs (political action committees) and funding things the politician wants funded rather than writing checks to a re-election fund that has a paper trail.

This neofeudal, systemic corruption raises a simple question: why can't the American people nominate a candidate for president themselves, directly, rather than being left a false choice of whatever lackeys the corrupt, neofeudal parties have nominated? Answer: we can, and even better, we are.

Correspondent Cris V. alerted me to the existence of, the first national online primary. "Americans Elect lets you choose a leader that puts country before party. Americans Elect is a secure, online nominating process that combines our oldest values with our newest technologies."

In essence, voters register online and can draft a candidate of their choice, or review the candidates drafted by other citizens. There will be an online primary process where candidates will be pared down by a series of online votes by delegates (you, me, and anyone else who registered to participate). The final candidate will be entered on ballots nationwide as the candidate of Americans Elect.

Here is the Wikipedia entry: Americans Elect:

As of January 2012, Americans Elect has gained ballot status in 15 states: Alaska,[23] Arizona,[23] Arkansas,[24] California,[25][26] Colorado,[27] Florida,[28] Kansas,[23] Maine,[29] Michigan,[28] Mississippi,[30] Nevada,[23] Ohio,[31] Rhode Island,[32] Utah,[33] and Vermont.[34] As of February 2012, certification is pending in Hawaii,[35] New Mexico,[30] and Wyoming.[36] As of December 2011, signatures for fifteen other states were being collected.[26]


Americans Elect is in the process of securing a line on the ballot in all 50 states for a ticket to be named directly by the people through the first-ever online nominating convention. Any registered voter can sign up to participate as a Delegate at [].[37] The organization is attempting the process of being accredited in every US state, allowing it to place candidates on presidential ballots nationwide.[5]


In order to obtain ballot access nationwide, some states' guidelines require Americans Elect to register as a political party,[8] even though federal courts have ruled[3] they are not a traditional political party.

It's not too difficult to see Americans Elect as the means by which Americans who want to opt out of the corrupt party system could nominate Ron Paul or another independent.

As Cris V. observed:

Ron Paul will be marginalized by the GOP establishment regardless of how many true Republicans he has coming to the GOP Convention. The GOP/Internationalist Establishment will see that Ron Paul gets buried and forgotten at the GOP convention even as he gets a real larger and larger following.


So he will be jumping off the GOP (ham-strung and out of gas) horse and running thru the finish line with 80% Independents, 95% of Constitutionalists and Libertarians, the 55% of Republicans, and 45% of the Democrats. All he has to do is get on the ballot.

Clearly, the Status Quo parties fear and loathe anyone who isn't dependent on their power with every fiber of their rotting, corrupt, neofeudal being. It is also clear that there can be no real reform of anything as long as the two corrupt parties remain in control of the political Elite, which is funded and controlled by the financial Elite. In this sense they are partners in the larger project of looting the republic, transferring private losses to the taxpayers and snuffing out any challenges to their neofeudal power.

In their view, debt-serfs must only be allowed the false choice of voting for Tweedledum or Tweedledee, both of whom are bought and paid for.

If you are a member of the Upper Caste benefitting from serving the Aristocracy, then you will be serving your best interests by voting for one of corrupt parties candidates, Tweedledum or Tweedledee. Nothing will change in any meaningful way because the entire power structure is devoted to one cause and one cause only: suppressing or destroying any and all challenges to their power and perquisites.

Can an independent president change a corrupt aristocracy single-handedly? Of course not. But a single voice of independent reason and truth would provide a beacon of hope in a nation blanketed by ceaseless self-serving propaganda, looting, fraud, devaluation of our currency, debauchery of credit and the corruption of our system of governance.

I see no way to "reform" this base corruption except to ban all contributions from campaigns and fund elections from taxpayer funds. Is that a perfect solution? Of course not; but it is a solution. Eliminate all contributions of any kind and ban those leaving office from working for the government, or any lobbyist or government contractor for five years, and you will have a system which is less easily corruptable than the present neofeudal one.

Here are a few choice quotes from presidents of the past: Oh, how far we have fallen when Soaring Rhetoric (TM) has become the chief qualification to assume the Imperial Presidency.

Lincoln likened the case to that of the boy who, when asked how many legs his calf would have if he called its tail a leg, replied, "Five," to which the prompt response was made that calling the tail a leg would not make it a leg. (source, Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln)

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." (George Washington)

Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder." (George Washington)

"I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." (Harry S. Truman)

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn’t sit for a month." (Theodore Roosevelt)

"Remember you are just an extra in everyone else’s play." (Franklin D. Roosevelt)

Interviews with CHS and Zeus Y. are now available:
My recent interview with Max Keiser (I appear via Skype about halfway)

Zeus Y. interview with Dennis Fetcho (MP3 file)


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Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:18 | 2177853 Sudden Debt
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In my country there's a kind of fair system. Every party gets a even share of contributions from the state. Also the type of communication is limited: no gifts, no television commercials and printed communication on a budget.
Sure it's not waterproof because the ruleing parties get more than the new once but it makes sure you don't get parties who are lobbied like a hooker to get surreal funding for a election.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:23 | 2177875 nope-1004
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So Osama and his 2008 "I have a dream" bullshit, was bullshit?

Say it ain't so.  I thought we were headed to "take on Wall Street" and bring in "real reform".

They're all asshats.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:04 | 2178006 Harbanger
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The people that believed the bullshit are the ones that had a "dream".  Then again they didn't know better, he was never vetted.  Not even an interview with his former coke dealer.  It shouldn't be a surprise that anyone rising in the polls is immediately dealt with by the MSM which has become the propaganda arm of the Democrat party.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:06 | 2178486 BLOTTO
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Presidents are born, not elected.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:31 | 2178598 chumbawamba
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Exactly correct.

This is stupid beyond belief and completely ignorant of how this country, nay how reality works.  It's also counter-productive and unnecessarily so.

First of all, it just contributes to the divide and conquer function of modern politics, but does so in subscribing to the very system that it seeks to overturn.  As I have said a million billion quadrillion quintillion times now [AND REPEAT AFTER ME]: you cannot change the system within the system.  The System was designed to self-perpetuate.  It has many guardians at the gates watching for any foreign anti-bodies and will begin attacking them at the outer-perimeters of the 9-level deep Circles of Hell that it is.  If one actually got a sensible candidate successfully through all 9 levels they would be find themselves confronted by Satan himself, who would then proceed to eat their head off and that would be that.

Second, if you really want to seat a candidate that is truly and honestly elected by the People, you do it de jure.  That means, you do it lawfully.  Law emanates from God and Nature, through to the People.  The sovereignty of Law is vested in Us, as stewards of the Earth over which we have dominion.  At any time, if enough souls got together and decided to form a new government, that's your Sovereign Right.  Just be sure the government you are leaving, which it believes it has control over you and the land upon which you plan to exercise your sovereignty, knows of your plans and "approves", otherwise there might be an angry reaction.

You see, government is fiction.  We make government in our own image.  Or one man or group of men craft it in their own image for the consumption of a larger group.  However it comes about, it's made up.  It's a fiction.  So at any time, as free souls, we can simply decide we don't like this story anymore and we're going to just write a new one.  The problem is that some people do like the story we're already reading, while others don't even realize it's a story, but think it's for real.  So unless the current story is basically raping everyone in the ass every morning when they get up as required ritual before their first coffee, there is going to be resistance to cutting short the current story and writing a new one, i.e. revolution.

The important thing to take away from this is that elections are only legitimate because people believe they are, or they believe in the results.  As soon as people don't trust the results, or they (like me), consider the entire process a sham, there is no longer a truly de jure system but only a de facto one.  And in fact, our current system is merely a de facto (applied by force) one.  We have not had de jure elections in over a century.  Everything since at least the "Civil War" have been "elections" ("selections" is more accurate) under martial law.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:54 | 2179136 BLOTTO
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Great post Chumbawamba.

Reality is their illusion.

Their fiction is the reality.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 20:04 | 2179147 TrulyBelieving
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  While reading, the quote from George Washington came to mind " Few men have the virture to withstand the highest bidder."   There is no set of laws or anything thing else that can constrain the evils of the heart. It takes a virtue not found naturally within man in order to withstand. So if this being the case, a sociaty depending on any devised constraint will surely fail.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 20:09 | 2179178 BLOTTO
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I feel like my whole life has been based on a lie.

If we were told the truth, we would be different people. I think.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 20:18 | 2179214 Harbanger
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You're just pissed that Obama wasn't what he promised.  Your whole life has been based on a lie, a progressive lie. If you were told the truth you wouldn't believe it.  So just keep hoping for change like a usefull idiot because you're scrwd no matter which side wins.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 20:28 | 2179237 BLOTTO
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I dont live in the USA you bird.

I dont care about Obama nor did i ever. In the bigger picture, Nothing to do with Obama - try expanding beyond that.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 20:55 | 2179290 TrulyBelieving
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If you told the truth, you would be a different person. I know.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:26 | 2179357 BLOTTO
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A bit off topic but,

Ask Jim Carrey's character in the movie, 'Liar, Liar" what happens when you have no choice but to tell the truth?



this isnt about white lies and small time shit - this is life altering truths.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:47 | 2179421 TrulyBelieving
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You're a good sport blotto, I wasn't necessairly directing anything personally at you. Mostly a general statement.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 23:05 | 2179627 BLOTTO
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Cheers TrulyB :)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 20:35 | 2179247 dolly madison
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" Few men have the virture to withstand the highest bidder."

Exactly why the check and balance we need is some added participatory democracy.  We need to be able to say no to the bought.  We need to be able to recall the bought.

And besides I am sure there is threat as well as bribery, so even those with some virtue may end up succumbing.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:44 | 2177941 Harlequin001
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That's the way it should be...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:10 | 2178014 RichardP
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Guest Post:  Presidents Day - ...

Today is not Presidents Day.  No such national holiday was ever created by Congress.  Today is a holiday commemorating Washington's Birthday.  The commemoration of Washington's birthday was moved to today only to create a three-day holiday.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:11 | 2178020 ReeferMac
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That sounds very simple and elegant! Won't stop the back-room deals, but... anyone wants to contribute money to an election process, puts it all into a kitty. Then the kitty is divided evenly between all candidates!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:24 | 2178048 aerojet
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Yes, but PACs are protected by freedom of association since they are not direct political contributions, per se.  And you can't ban people from working after they hold office.  There might be some kind of contract that could be signed.  Let's face it, you can't force peopel to act ethically if they don't want to--they will find ways around whatever rules are put in place to prevent bad behavior.  Only fear of death will stop these bastards from perpetrating acts of corruption.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:12 | 2178201 4horse
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Only fear of death will stop these bastards from perpetrating acts of corruption.

yes. absent a spirit of the law, there is no letter of the law



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am most interested in this post, and this emergent process; direct voting

. . . yet, tech, if it's to advance like its financial machinery . . .

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:05 | 2179471 mvsjcl
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All I need to see is Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild as a member of the Board. And the rest of them; on the A-list of globalists, henchmen for the <encoded> -. .-- -. </encoded>

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:59 | 2178373 Rynak
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In my country there's a kind of fair system. Every party gets a even share of contributions from the state. Also the type of communication is limited: no gifts, no television commercials and printed communication on a budget.
Sure it's not waterproof because the ruleing parties get more than the new once but it makes sure you don't get parties who are lobbied like a hooker to get surreal funding for a election.

I don't know if you're living in germany, but precisely this is (also) the case in germany.

While the idea is noble, i'm sorry but it doesn't work. To take the media as an example, how do you determine what kind of media programme is considered "political advertisment or at least propaganda"?

In germany, the answer to that question is: EXPLICIT party ads, TV as well as offline, are covered by this rule. So, you will see an egalitarian share of EXPLICIT TV ads and offline advertising, for parties. You know, those explicit TV ads of parties, as well as signs and similiar while you go around your neighbourhood.

What isn't covered by this? ALL NEWS, advertising and "stories" of media, that aren't an "explicit" party-ad.

Remind me again what drives popular opinion? Explicit party ads? LOL?

The only thing that law ensures, is that even minor parties can at least make people know, that they exist at all. So, it to some extend ensures that people get notified of which "options" are available.... but it does very little to balance "airtime" and "choice-manipulation".

Since RP is kinda popular around here, let's take him as an example. If RP would run in germany, he would get an equal share of explicit RP-ads on TV as well as EXPLICIT offline-advertisment. So, contrary to the USA, it would not be possible to totally censor awareness of him and his messages, from the population. However, all the MSM censorship in "news", as well as offline propaganda biases, would be perfectly legal.

Soo, he by law would be allowed to send out explicit election messages to the masses, but all discussion and reporting of elections, could be as biased as in the USA.

Yes, better than in the USA.... yet calling it a "levelled playfield" is hardly applicable.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:45 | 2178888 4horse
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So, contrary to the USA, it would not be possible to totally censor awareness of merkelmessage . . .


au contraire<===>mein herr


So, contrary to the USA, it would not be possible to totally censor awareness of sarkozysuccess . . .

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:25 | 2179025 Rynak
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Is that how low the psyops brigade has gone? Spreading unintelligible trash, just to raise the noise-to-signal ratio, without communicating any propaganda?

Or are you so bored of your job, that you're willing to raise your required post-quota by not doing your job?

In any case: Ouch.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:02 | 2178472 smb12321
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Private funding is one way to overcome MSM bias which is overwhelming in the US. Fineman, formerly of Newsweek, suggest Kerry got 5-10 points in 2004. The US has a two-party system for several reasons.  (1) The electoral system (2) Americans by and large are not ideological.  They vote for the "man/woman." (3) They see nations with multiple parties and the chaos.  Italy did not calm politically until the fall of its Communist Party. (4) The parties once represented opposing answers to the role of the federal government. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:20 | 2177862 digalert
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El Rushbo is saying the RNC is freaking out that Romney will lose against Obama. Now their scrambling to find another NWO tool. hah

I have the answer, the people have the answer, everyone sans the RNC has the answer...

It's Ron Paul you RNC dumbshits!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:19 | 2178224 fijisailor
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It's a one party system anyway so who cares who the RNC puts out.  It will never be RP for sure anyway.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:07 | 2179479 mrgneiss
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I think the GOP would rather see Obama re-elected than Paul get the nomination.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:51 | 2179122 putaipan
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great ron paul v.p. rumor -

now i'd register for that ! (hint- recently unemployed media judge)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:56 | 2177981 blindman
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The Occult World of Maritime Admiral Banking Commerce - Jordan Maxwell
"The Occult World of Commerce - Jordan Maxwell , If people understood law, they'd know instantly that this man is telling the truth. ..."

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:27 | 2177869 dwdollar
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So the users of this system STILL have to show up at the traditional voting booth for the general election? Sorry, but that's not enough to cut through the corruption.

We need something that completely bypasses the traditional election mechanism and obtains it's legitimacy (in part) by the shear number of people who use it.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2178040 LFMayor
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so... something like 5.56 ?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:32 | 2178603 JohnnyBriefcase
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I was thinking more like 7.62 but whatevs.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:26 | 2178058 aerojet
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You have to have a populace that is educated enough to understand complex issues.  We do not have that.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:04 | 2178177 UGrev
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It was made complex to the point that people don't have the time nor the inclination to understand its complexities. This was intentional as well. It's not that people can't understand complex issues.. but when the issues are so complex that it requires a degree to understand them, then you know you have a problem. 

When you intentionally make a system complex upfront.. you are intent on fraud.. it's that simple. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:33 | 2178387 pods
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I agree.  That is why the bernank has to 'splain stuff for an hour at a time. Stumbling from buzzword to platitude.

If he was to come out and say that they conjure up debt out of thin air, and then lend it to the plebes at interest, it would not go over well.

Our system is only complex if you try to view it in an altruistic or benevolent light.

If you see it as good old fashion ponzi thievery, it is rather simple to explain.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:41 | 2178498 Rynak
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Exactly.... the main issue isn't the involved complexity, or lack of "education".... the main issue is plain simple absence common sense, and believing one's own eyes.

Things aren't complicated, and you don't need complicated knowledge to decypher it.... instead, you don't need to "decypher" anything.... you just need to look at the real practical outcomes, and believe your own eyes, to notice that it at least doesn't do what it claims, and at worst, is a malicious lie.

The second thing you need, after realizing that, is restraint in finding a quick easy scapegoat ..... because, the landscape will be littered with premade decoy scapegoats, to let your realization end in a false deadend-street (that is how in individual practice, those "divide and conquer" tactics work).

Soo.... realization is easy.... TOO EASY to be obvious.... analization and understanding of the "why?" on the other hand.... that IS stuff that requires at least "training" and "experience". So, regarding skills it is stupidly easy to realize what IS.... you don't need education for that.... understanding WHY it is so, is what requires skills.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:06 | 2178487 smb12321
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I think many of us have it wrong.  People in the US are basically not ideological as they are in Europe.  They vote for the candidate they like best which is why the US can elect RR and BO.  The population has NEVER understood complex issues because (thankfully) they were too busy living their lives and not getting involved in endless political theory.

But there is a difference between not aware and stupid.  Like those who can't name their rep, either senator, the VP or define the Bill of Rights but still consider themselves "qualified".

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:31 | 2178064 Harbanger
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People that show up are motivated to show up.  You probably didn't like the results of the 2010 elections.  Do you want to force the unmotivated "masses" to all vote?  So does the establissment.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:52 | 2178107 dwdollar
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At least we would have an accurate representation of how many people stand for what. As it stands now, we do not.

Whether we are past the point of no return (+50% of the population being dependent on handouts and voting for handouts instead of freedom) is another matter. If you're suggesting it's better to have a tyranny by keeping those dependents from voting, I disagree. The whole thing is going to fall apart regardless. It's better to let those people dig their own grave now and get it over with. The sooner it does, the sooner we can build something more sustainable.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:02 | 2178166 Harbanger
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"(+50% of the population being dependent on handouts and voting for handouts instead of freedom)is another matter. "

It's not another matter if you want liberty.  It was always the plan to guarantee more power to the State from a dependent population.  The left has for decades wanted a "democratic" oligarchy guaranteed by votes from the "dependent" masses. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:30 | 2178592 jemlyn
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"+50% of the population being dependent on handouts and voting for handouts instead of freedom"

is a bit deceptive.  50% may receive entitlements but it's not all welfare and many on social security, military benefits and maybe government pensions) are actually very conservative.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 20:12 | 2179194 NidStyles
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Conservative? I think people just need to stop using that word. The majority of the people that identify with the word Conservative are actually ardently hidden statists with Fascist bents.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:23 | 2177870 Yen Cross
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I nominate Tyler! All of them!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:56 | 2177979 American34
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Why the heck is CNBC's Santelli NOT on their yet. For real someone put up Santelli!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:09 | 2178496 Problem Is
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Because the parent of Santelli's network, GE received big time taxpayer bailouts, and all those traders, their Wall Street firms and the CME all received tax payer bailouts or Santelli and his pals all would have been unemployed when he said:

"How many of you want to pay some loser's mortgage?"

Hey Rick... what makes you think we taxpayers want to bailout and pay for you and your loser friend's jobs?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:15 | 2178023 SillySalesmanQu...
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The Tyler's have been nominated and I will duly second them, all those in favor say "aye" by a green arrow and "nay" with a red arrow.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:31 | 2178264 fijisailor
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I like that idea.  Rather than a single president we can have a presidential panel of stooges after the Tylers get rejected.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:24 | 2177877 El Oregonian
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Where's our next George Washington? <chirping>

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:29 | 2177892 dizzyfingers
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The penultimate truth about the USA (and it can't change -- sheeple won't allow it).

"both Status Quo political parties in the U.S. are hopelessly, ruinously corrupt and thus beyond any reform or redemption. We all know why: it now takes millions of dollars to run costly mainstream media election campaigns, and the only source for contributions of that scale is the financial/corporate Elite. It doesn't matter how you arrange the taxonomy of the financial aristocracy that rules the nation or how you subdivide it--old money, new money, family money, corporate money, etc.-- the bottom line is these campaign contributions are viewed by the aristocratic donors as investments that yield gargantuan returns in tax breaks, subsidies, bailouts, sweetheart contracts, "get out of jail free" cards for the shadow banking system, and so on."

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:30 | 2177893 brewing
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i signed their petition coming out of the dmv a few weeks ago.  it was definately a paid (appeared homeless) petitioner.  i've also registered to be a delegate to the gop county convention to support dr. paul. will work hard to get to the likely brokered national convention...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:30 | 2177894 Tsar Pointless
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I say go Green! Roseanne Barr for President in 2012!

This was mentioned by some so-called "tinfoil" sites a few weeks ago, but as the past five years have proven, tin is the new truth.

Another Bush president. Wouldn't we be so lucky?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:24 | 2178240 MachoMan
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In concept, the electoral college is an impediment to sovereignty....  However, in practice, the electoral college votes for the same candidate as their respective citizenry votes...  there are only a few exceptions...  and even fewer (any?) faithless electors that actually materially changed who won...


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:31 | 2177901 Dr. Engali
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If elections changed anything they would be outlawed.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:32 | 2177904 pods
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I wouldn't give a shit who was president on three conditions:

1.  They did not go around the world blowing up brown people sitting on our oil who will not take FRNs for it.

2.  They would not force me to take part in all their super cool cost saving programs.

3.  They removed legal tender laws and fractional reserve banking.

Give me those and I care not who runs the government.  In fact, the problem is that we have such an omnipotent government to begin with, not who is leading it.

Having the government give up the power they acquired is like asking Golem to give up the ring.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:34 | 2178393 RockyRacoon
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I believe you just outlined Dr Paul's platform.   Plus or minus a nuance.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 02:19 | 2180141 e-recep
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your oil? wtf?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:36 | 2177913 Grey-Ghost
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The key issue is not the president but the treasonous poison that is the U.S. Congress. In 1790, the set punishment for treason by Congress was a hanging but those criminals still can trade on insider info, make the profit of the laws they were given to "pass" and have 40,000 legalized bribers, a.k.a. lobbyists to milk for a buck.

I mean, those crooks even get the money from bribers when the Holocaust is in question.

The U.S. mocks (their own) dictators all over the world when they fell out the favor and need to be replaced based on how much they - the dictators - have been on power, but they spend eternity in Congress. Edward Kennedy was a Senator for 46 fucking years; Joe Biden was there for 36 years and is now a VP of the country; that Inouye guy from Hawaii has been the senator for 48 freaking years. The people in so many states and counties all over the country have known only one / two crooks on power, for their whole lives!

As long as the two wings - the Despicable and the Repulsive - of the same rulling oligarchy stays in power and occupies the Congress this country would proceed as the Sovetsky Soyuz whose one party had been electing the same idiots all over again and let them finally destroy the system.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:52 | 2177962 dizzyfingers
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Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:37 | 2178402 RockyRacoon
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Oh, come now.   You're advocating that real, responsible, and accountable people occupy the Congressional offices.   After a period of cobwebs festooning the halls, it might actually happen.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:39 | 2177919 Mercury
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...the bottom line is these campaign contributions are viewed by the aristocratic donors as investments that yield gargantuan returns in tax breaks, subsidies, bailouts, sweetheart contracts, "get out of jail free" cards for the shadow banking system, and so on.

Please, the SEIU is aristocracy now?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:53 | 2177969 dizzyfingers
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Mercury: in 1984-speak, yes.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:41 | 2177927 Money 4 Nothing
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The Electoral college is the trump card. Power to the people? Not.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:51 | 2177958 LowProfile
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Not in a nation with 270,000,000 privately owned guns, you don't.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:49 | 2178305 Money 4 Nothing
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Good read. Free men are armed, slaves are not. The Second Amendment backs up the First Amendment and 'round we go. Even without an Election, we still get to vote.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:53 | 2177971 russwinter
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My feeling is that Gov. Buddy Roemer, who has been shut out by the GOP establishment is going to get the American Elect nomination. He is a great choice.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:56 | 2177978 kralizec
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Americans Elect?!  Yup, makes it easy for those already predisposed to rather see the entire nation slide into the toilet than to have to vote for whoever opposes Obama, all because that person is not their guy...thus ensuring the shithead Obama stays in office.  What a fantastic plan!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:43 | 2178100 pods
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I love this line of thinking.  Our scumbag is much better than your scumbag.

Of course, your first mistake is thinking that your scumbag is working for a different team that theirs.

Or that the outcome of this nation is actually in question.


Tue, 02/21/2012 - 08:12 | 2180306 kralizec
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So, you admit your guy is a scumbag too, now we're getting somewhere!  Now, who can best beat the biggest scumbag in the WH, eh?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:56 | 2177980 Jacks Nipple
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Tyler, you forgot one of the most important:


“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

... The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

  • and is gravely to be regarded.


Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960


I fear to say the online nomination process will never work.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:02 | 2177998 Event Horizon
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While we can all agree in the complete clusterfuck of the psuedo democracy we so enjoy.

The Americans Elect is a trojan horse backed by Soros mini-me hedge fundy CFR Peter Ackerman to essentailly manipulate and subvert the system, not to restore or repair it in any way.

Another Americans Elect promoter is Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, yes that one...


Beware the solution may be brought to you by the very corrupt elites that thrive in that very oppressive system. 


Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
Sun Tzu


Tue, 02/21/2012 - 08:16 | 2180320 kralizec
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Shame on ZH for posting an article pimping Soros schemes!  Shame!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:02 | 2177999 SilverCoinLover
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Presidents Day? Today is Presidents Day? You mean they haven't got around to calling it Dictator's Day yet? Or what about Bankster's Puppet Day?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:41 | 2178087 ChacoFunFact
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Does anyone know how to get a presidential executive order rescinded?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:13 | 2179488 Papasmurf
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Banksters rescinded 11110 in 1963.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:03 | 2178008 3FrenchHens
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B.I.N.G.O.  on the contributors investment/payoff.  The other side of that coin is, whomever is elected, are they really calling any shots anyways???? Will still vote... for 'the best looking horse at the glue factroy'! there is no electable good choice IMO.  Guessing nobody wants to be the the captain of this sucker when it goes down.  Probly more to work with in 2016? 

Disclosure - I am the eternal optimist, but a alas, a realist.  My Grandma used to talk about the good ole days - well, I am now emblazing today in my mind as one of our good ole days.  Glorious sunny day, taking my morning ZH break at a job I love.  Short drive home in small community to healthy, plentiful dinner with my family.  & hoping the kids cleaned up after themselves, being home from school today = )  

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:12 | 2178022 New American Re...
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This site is ok as far as it goes, but it is somewhat limited in its choices and has no point of contact, which means their ears are stuffed with wax.   So how good can it get?   At least they have 3 choices for president, with 2 of them out, leaving Ron Paul, which is my choice anyway.

Want the straight scoop?   Go to

Serfs Up America!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:20 | 2178038 STS813
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It's not just the presidential election that is important.  The president is only as good as We The People.  Greater importance should be placed on our so called state representatives.  They are the ones that pass "laws" and load them-up with pork.  Bruce Krasting's blog on H.R. 3630 yesterday is point-in-case.  Does it make sense that a simple extension of the 2% reduction in payroll taxes needed to be 386 pages?  Don't get me wrong, I think it is great that Keystone XL is now a go; however, the other "stuffers" within the bill are disturbing.  Although I subscribe to his blog, I think I saw Bruce's post yesterday under "Contributors" here on ZeroHedge.  Check it out.  Back to our supposed state reps; there is a movement that started here in Texas back in 2008, which is very similar to the one described above.  The difference is that it's designed to cut the legs out from under the political beast, not the head.  The group is called Get Out Of Our House, or GOOOH (pronounced Go).  Visit their website and get involved within your district.  We have a far greater shot in gaining control of our district house reps than a president. is the website.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2178043 carbonmutant
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Nominating and electing are two separate things.

Since we don't live in a real Democracy the former has little to do with the latter...

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 17:33 | 2178293 Money 4 Nothing
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I never wanted to live in a Democracy, That's why I chose to stay in the USA. If you want a Democracy, go move to Mexico or Greece.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:23 | 2178046 blindman
Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:29 | 2178061 f16hoser
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"If the last 12 years have revealed anything, they have shown beyond reasonable doubt that both Status Quo political parties in the U.S. are hopelessly, ruinously corrupt and thus beyond any reform or redemption."

Nothing more need be said. US politics are corrupted and broke. If a politicians' mouth is moving, he or she is lying out their ass. The only exception I see to this rule is Ron Paul. That's why the Republican Fascist Party won't give him the time of day.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:36 | 2178076 JLee2027
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Don't give up on Ron Paul. The crowds at his rallies are growing larger - 14,000 people attended his rallies on Thurs/Fri/Sat last week.  This is being impossible to marginalize.  If this keeps up, there is talk of renting entire stadiums for future events.  If enough people want it, the GOP can't deny it.


1:40 in:

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:59 | 2178934 putaipan
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don't give up on RP. he is the voice right now. but if he is no longer an

option please be prepared with another option -


( actually i am more comfortable with all of rocky anderson's policies

but have supported RP because of mometum. i hope all RP supporters

will be so flexible if the run comes to an end. anything but the other 2!)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:52 | 2178119 q99x2
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This is good. And if it doesn't work then Greece could drop out of the EU, restore democracy and offer citizenship to US refugees for a price that restores their economic independence.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:53 | 2178123 Apocalicious
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Feudalism or Socialism, Feudalism or Socialism. Reminds me of the Futurama episode where the candidates were Jack Johnson and John Jackson. I'd like to pick Freedom behind door number 3, please...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:56 | 2178137 ChacoFunFact
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this smells like the delphi technique.  investigating...

taken from the site's fine print section:

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Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:09 | 2178972 putaipan
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@ChacoFunFact - really important ! beyond its connection to the topic at hand. thank you thank you thank you !

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:59 | 2178155 falun bong
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It's far from perfect but where I live (Australia) they have the Parliamentary system and it has some good aspects:

1. Political campaigning is *illegal* outside of 6 weeks before an election (America has lots more people so maybe make it 8 weeks)

2. Voting is mandatory by law, $5000 fine

3. You vote for a party, which means you concentrate on the issues, not the haircut, the newsletters, the marriages, or the dog on the roof

4. Every day on the radio they have Question Time, where the leaders of all sides have a real debate about actual issues and policies for all to hear, not sound bites

Downside, like in Japan, is that the party sometimes chooses leaders who are cronies. Overall though it's much better than the fake media show of US campaigns, electoral colleges, soundbites, and vote fraud.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:01 | 2178332 johnQpublic
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which party decided that you cant have guns anymore?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:42 | 2178405 Rynak
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2. Voting is mandatory by law, $5000 fine

Sooo, if all options that i get offered are shit, i get extorted to betray my conscience? Awesome!

Trivia: Whenever one side of a transaction is forced to accept, the other side can offer whatever conditions it wants. It's called extortion in personal matters, and monopoly/cartell in economics. You remove the option of non-interaction, you automatically endorse parasitism - because no environment is more benefical to parasitism, than the inability to selectively isolate/reject agents. It works for biological virusses, and it sure as hell worked for politics and economics.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:03 | 2178727 4horse
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such aspects of aussie parliamentary system can only rival uk's own  .  .  .

Michael Danby, a Jewish MP in the Australian Parliament, has “enthusiastically agreed” to the idea of bringing to Australia thousands of Africans who have illegally immigrated to Israel (“Danny Danon: Send African Immigrants to Australia“; Jerusalem Post). The idea originated with Danny Danon, a Likud MP well known for his far right views.  Being a good rightist, Danon thinks that the immigrants are a threat to the Jewish identity of Israel  .  .  . So it’s not surprising that Danby wholeheartedly agrees with the plan. Being a good Jew in Australia means being an enthusiastic cheerleader for non-White immigration—long the policy of the organized Jewish community in Australia and throughout the Jewish Diaspora in the West.


.  .  .  so why stop there: empire spreads its... ah. er  good aspects yes!  to its good neighbor

LIttle wonder that a Mossad kidon immediately swung into action to enter New Zealand under false documentation, and eliminate her. Her killers could not be recruited from such a small, isolated country, and hope to escape capture after the assassination.


not dying. not acceptable

New Zealand Leader's Plane Lands Safely After Mishap

April 14, 2005

WELLINGTON, New Zealand -- A door blew open on a small plane carrying Prime Minister Helen Clark, she said Wednesday. Two police officers grabbed the door and held it in place until the plane landed. Clark said she thought she might die when the air rushed in during the Piper Aztec flight.



far from perfect, englishspeaking, but spreading Harper Martin Mulroney  .  .  .  Canada

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:55 | 2178914 psychobilly
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2. Voting is mandatory by law, $5000 fine

mandatory voting? 

how "democratic."  what a joke.  somewhere Mencken is laughing his ass off.

"I have spoken hitherto of the possibility that democracy may be a self-limiting disease, like measles. It is, perhaps, something more: it is self-devouring. One cannot observe it objectively without being impressed by its curious distrust of itself—its apparently ineradicable tendency to abandon its whole philosophy at the first sign of strain. I need not point to what happens invariably in democratic states when the national safety is menaced. All the great tribunes of democracy, on such occasions, convert themselves, by a process as simple as taking a deep breath, into despots of an almost fabulous ferocity. Lincoln, Roosevelt and Wilson come instantly to mind: Jackson and Cleveland are in the background, waiting to be recalled. Nor is this process confined to times of alarm and terror: it is going on day in and day out. Democracy always seems bent upon killing the thing it theoretically loves. I have rehearsed some of its operations against liberty, the very cornerstone of its political metaphysic. It not only wars upon the thing itself; it even wars upon mere academic advocacy of it. I offer the spectacle of Americans jailed for reading the Bill of Rights as perhaps the most gaudily humorous ever witnessed in the modern world. Try to imagine monarchy jailing subjects for maintaining the divine right of Kings! Or Christianity damning a believer for arguing that Jesus Christ was the Son of God! This last, perhaps, has been done: anything is possible in that direction. But under democracy the remotest and most fantastic possibility is a common-place of every day. All the axioms resolve themselves into thundering paradoxes, many amounting to downright contradictions in terms. The mob is competent to rule the rest of us—but it must be rigorously policed itself. There is a government, not of men, but of laws - but men are set upon benches to decide finally what the law is and may be. The highest function of the citizen is to serve the state - but the first assumption that meets him, when he essays to discharge it, is an assumption of his disingenuousness and dishonour. Is that assumption commonly sound? Then the farce only grows the more glorious."

- H. L. Mencken, Last Words

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:31 | 2178263 Barmaher
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As always, read the ZH articles but ignore the comments because, otherwise, you will go blind. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:04 | 2178277 blindman
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don't forget to post .

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:37 | 2178280 americanspirit
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Lip gloss on every trouser fly and panty hose crotch in that convention. It will be Sarah Palin by acclaimation - you betcha.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:51 | 2178434 FreeNewEnergy
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I voted for Obummer in 2008 and skipped 2010 because I was (again) disappointed with my choice. Prior to that, the only presidential election I ever engaged in was Clinton in 1996 and maybe I voted for Carter when he got run over by Reagan. I was registered a Republican until 1988, then independent from 1990 until 2004, and switched to Dem in 2008. Now, I just don't even care to switch back to independent.

At 58 years of age, I doubt I will ever vote again in America. I'll either just not bother or move somewhere else.

That pretty much sums up the thought process of people who have watched this country devolve into CRAP.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:00 | 2178464 Problem Is
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What do all of these political bribes... aka campaign "contributions" pay for?

Political TeeVee ads...

The day the "brilliant" Amerikan public goes to Walmart, buys a sledge hammer made in China, goes home, destroys their TeeVee and learns to read...

That will be the day political reform takes a step in the right direction...

You can't get rid of the clown car full of pocket lining, bribed, corrupt political lackeys until the TeeVee mesmerised Amerikan clowns themselves wake up...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:41 | 2179082 VelvetHog
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I shut off my boob tube in 1987 and never looked back.  This fact probably makes me a terrorist.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:20 | 2178500 Kipper und Wipp...
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Just do a little research into Americans Elect. It is very scary stuff. From top to bottom seems to be organized by plutocrats of the "centrist, pro-business, socially liberal, post-partisan" fascist sort (a la Bloomberg), there are policies in place such that committees of the same can nullify the results of votes ... it is a sop to the Huffington Post crowd and similar, folks who are disillusioned with the system, but not far enough to see through it all. Dangerous dangerous dangerous.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:09 | 2178749 Rynak
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I have a very simple proposal:

1. make taxes totally transparent.... in the current climate, this mainly involves: A) No "catch it all" taxes... every type of tax shoud mandatorily have defined for which purposes it may be used for, and the use must tend towards "specific" rather than "arbitrary and generic"..... B) the abolishment of fiat/trust/promise money as the major currency.... or in the absence of that, laws so annoying, that they make fiat policies so transparent, that all "advantages" (read: deceit) of fiat gets nullified.

2. A bottom up "funding" system. With "funding" i in popular speak here actually mean "taxes".... that is: "collection of means to spend" is decided in a bottom-up fashion. Still sounds too strange? Then let me define more practically: Individuals by FREE-CHOICE GRANT funds to their city or state. Cities or states by FREE-CHOICE GRANT higher level spending. In other words: There is no "top-down"-style "we up here want this, so you have to pay up"-style funding at all. So, in short: On any given level, funding of a higher level has to be sactioned by its lower levels. Or even more generic: Subs can override supers. Notice: This does NOT exclude "subs" declaring "supers" to decide stuff as long as they are satisfied with the supers. It simply means that "subs" can always override "supers" if they want to (i.e. they're dissatisfied).

Result? Panic among the kleptocracy! Yeah, so what? Go fucking die, if you cannot "sell" your "product" without strong-arm means. Does this still allow populism tactics? Yes, it does..... how do you enable bottom-up power, without the possibility of bottom-up gullibility anways? Power AND responsibility, bitchez! Sure, you can provide all the information, transparency and access to understanding you want.... but in the end, if you let "most people" decide for themselves, you cannot exclude the option of them fucking themselves.... and i haven no problem with that. All i am concerned with, is making people actually responsible for themselves, including all the possible benefits and pains.

And contrary to popular opinion, the later is something mostly absent from the current system. In the current systems, people neither have strong power over themselves, nor are ideologically faced with the consequences of their actions: They neither decide, nor are responsible for themselves. They appoint others to decide for them, and be responsible for them. So, what i advocate is simply: Grow up and deal with your existence!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:18 | 2178548 eddiebe
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Those who control the voting machines control who gets into office. All the rest is window dressing to keep sheeple thinking they actually are involved in some sort of democratic process. Sooo simple..

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:15 | 2179330 lakecity55
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Da! Like old Soviet Union. You can vote for anyone, Comrade, but they are all still Party of 1.

In Russia Today, everyone looks for Party. In America, Party is looking for You.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:56 | 2179439 Rynak
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+1 for the "in soviet russia"-reference, even if i do not believe in the implied dichotomy (plutocracy with leverage ruling you, or you letting plutocracy with already existing leverage rule you... what's the difference? It's a bit like "heads i win, or tails you lose" or "tails i win, head you lose"? Your FREE CHOICE!!!").

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:38 | 2179550 Head_Shots_Work
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Oh please - all this bullshit about hating obamamama is ridiculous. Do you honestly think he is anything more than a mouthpiece for the powers that got him elected? He's just a tool. If he strayed off course for a minute - he'd be history, they'd take him out. Our political farce is 18 months of goofballs putting on dog and pony shows for the sheeple A few are 'insiders' and probably understand it for the farce that it is - but some seem fairly honest (but probably wonder why they've been 'outsiders' all their life on the 'dancefloor') - like Dr. Paul for instance. Then you get elected and meet the lizards that live underground - get the implant - and you are a puppet. Se la vie.

Guys (and girls) quit wasting your time, just vote for anybody if you care to actually waste the time to do so - but you really probably just need to be learning about growing food, long term storage, finding a good location to live, defensive techniques, building community with your 'prepared community', and stocking up on the things that are going up in price, reviewing your options for living on a 'broken grid' adn things like that. How many years do we have left to prepare? Two to three? For those prepared it will be a time of great revival in the US. For those that aren't - well - it'll suck.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:49 | 2179580 Gromit
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Evo Morales (President of Bolivia) created a new party and won 54% on the first ballot.

His platform was that established political parties had sold out to bankers and to foreign corporations and did not deserve to govern.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 00:11 | 2179889 Head_Shots_Work
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Well - that's definitely something that makes you pause and go 'hmmmm'. But could it happen here. - probably just wishful thinking I suppose. Unfortuately we'd still have all of the pricks in congress. That's our major problem - the slow turnover - this system is designed to protect itself - great if you are 'IN' the system - but it sucks totally if you are trying to change it.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 00:29 | 2179942 Rynak
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Unconventional disruptive idea: Perhaps the inertia to "disruptive innovation" isn't the "political system", but instead simply the major lobby that supports it.

After all, if they would have no problem with rapidly changing the system into an entirely different goverment form (on paper), then how important are those "aesthetical yet culturally supposedly important aspects" really? If change can work in their favour, ignoring all supposed tradition, then what is preventing disruptive change against them, provided enough backing by the population and powerful lobbies)?

Cultural history is full of examples, that show that supposed political conventions and systems really just mean shit, if the lobby that supports a "hostile takeover", has enough momentum.

TL:DR?: On the big scale, the artificial political doctrines in which the slaves are supposed to believe, are just a fascade. If you or them can get enough momentum towards a different direction, then it could happen, provided that you have enough mass, rethoric,s geopolitics and firepower at your disposal.

Evem shorter version: Your supposed "political system" is a fascade. It will fall or be "stealth-transformed" whenever the power balance and interests change.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 06:19 | 2180253 mc_LDN
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I have a question to the author -

Can you tell me who the financial donors / backers are behind the Americans Elect organisation?

Who are the people involved at the top and what is their history / background?

I would not be surprised to find traces of Soros. This smells like his "Open Society" scam.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 08:01 | 2180295 actonadad
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