Guest Post: Presidents Day - Why Can't We Nominate Our Own President? We Can, We Are

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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

Presidents Day: Why Can't We Nominate Our Own President? We Can, We Are

Why can't the American public nominate their own candidate for president? It turns out we can, and are doing so for the first time in American history.

If the last 12 years have revealed anything, they have shown beyond reasonable doubt that both Status Quo political parties in the U.S. are hopelessly, ruinously corrupt and thus beyond any reform or redemption. We all know why: it now takes millions of dollars to run costly mainstream media election campaigns, and the only source for contributions of that scale is the financial/corporate Elite.

It doesn't matter how you arrange the taxonomy of the financial aristocracy that rules the nation or how you subdivide it--old money, new money, family money, corporate money, etc.-- the bottom line is these campaign contributions are viewed by the aristocratic donors as investments that yield gargantuan returns in tax breaks, subsidies, bailouts, sweetheart contracts, "get out of jail free" cards for the shadow banking system, and so on.

In Social Fractals and the Corruption of America (February 8, 2012) I wrote:

Clearly, the tax code is both legal and completely skewed to the very wealthy and politically powerful. $100,000 is still a fairly significant contribution in politics, and if that contribution ends up yielding a tax break that gains the donor $1 million in lower taxes, then that donation earned a 10-fold "return on investment."

Longtime correspondent Kevin K. described the reality from personal knowledge:

I had an old boss (I won't mention his name, but he is worth over $100 million) that actually tracked the ROI (Return on Investment) of every dollar he gave politicians.


By the mid 90's there was no better "investment" out there with a better return than "giving perfectly legal campaign contributions". Because of this, his "contributions" kept getting bigger and bigger (they are huge now, with much of the "perfectly legal campaign contributions" hidden by giving to PACs (political action committees) and funding things the politician wants funded rather than writing checks to a re-election fund that has a paper trail.

This neofeudal, systemic corruption raises a simple question: why can't the American people nominate a candidate for president themselves, directly, rather than being left a false choice of whatever lackeys the corrupt, neofeudal parties have nominated? Answer: we can, and even better, we are.

Correspondent Cris V. alerted me to the existence of, the first national online primary. "Americans Elect lets you choose a leader that puts country before party. Americans Elect is a secure, online nominating process that combines our oldest values with our newest technologies."

In essence, voters register online and can draft a candidate of their choice, or review the candidates drafted by other citizens. There will be an online primary process where candidates will be pared down by a series of online votes by delegates (you, me, and anyone else who registered to participate). The final candidate will be entered on ballots nationwide as the candidate of Americans Elect.

Here is the Wikipedia entry: Americans Elect:

As of January 2012, Americans Elect has gained ballot status in 15 states: Alaska,[23] Arizona,[23] Arkansas,[24] California,[25][26] Colorado,[27] Florida,[28] Kansas,[23] Maine,[29] Michigan,[28] Mississippi,[30] Nevada,[23] Ohio,[31] Rhode Island,[32] Utah,[33] and Vermont.[34] As of February 2012, certification is pending in Hawaii,[35] New Mexico,[30] and Wyoming.[36] As of December 2011, signatures for fifteen other states were being collected.[26]


Americans Elect is in the process of securing a line on the ballot in all 50 states for a ticket to be named directly by the people through the first-ever online nominating convention. Any registered voter can sign up to participate as a Delegate at [].[37] The organization is attempting the process of being accredited in every US state, allowing it to place candidates on presidential ballots nationwide.[5]


In order to obtain ballot access nationwide, some states' guidelines require Americans Elect to register as a political party,[8] even though federal courts have ruled[3] they are not a traditional political party.

It's not too difficult to see Americans Elect as the means by which Americans who want to opt out of the corrupt party system could nominate Ron Paul or another independent.

As Cris V. observed:

Ron Paul will be marginalized by the GOP establishment regardless of how many true Republicans he has coming to the GOP Convention. The GOP/Internationalist Establishment will see that Ron Paul gets buried and forgotten at the GOP convention even as he gets a real larger and larger following.


So he will be jumping off the GOP (ham-strung and out of gas) horse and running thru the finish line with 80% Independents, 95% of Constitutionalists and Libertarians, the 55% of Republicans, and 45% of the Democrats. All he has to do is get on the ballot.

Clearly, the Status Quo parties fear and loathe anyone who isn't dependent on their power with every fiber of their rotting, corrupt, neofeudal being. It is also clear that there can be no real reform of anything as long as the two corrupt parties remain in control of the political Elite, which is funded and controlled by the financial Elite. In this sense they are partners in the larger project of looting the republic, transferring private losses to the taxpayers and snuffing out any challenges to their neofeudal power.

In their view, debt-serfs must only be allowed the false choice of voting for Tweedledum or Tweedledee, both of whom are bought and paid for.

If you are a member of the Upper Caste benefitting from serving the Aristocracy, then you will be serving your best interests by voting for one of corrupt parties candidates, Tweedledum or Tweedledee. Nothing will change in any meaningful way because the entire power structure is devoted to one cause and one cause only: suppressing or destroying any and all challenges to their power and perquisites.

Can an independent president change a corrupt aristocracy single-handedly? Of course not. But a single voice of independent reason and truth would provide a beacon of hope in a nation blanketed by ceaseless self-serving propaganda, looting, fraud, devaluation of our currency, debauchery of credit and the corruption of our system of governance.

I see no way to "reform" this base corruption except to ban all contributions from campaigns and fund elections from taxpayer funds. Is that a perfect solution? Of course not; but it is a solution. Eliminate all contributions of any kind and ban those leaving office from working for the government, or any lobbyist or government contractor for five years, and you will have a system which is less easily corruptable than the present neofeudal one.

Here are a few choice quotes from presidents of the past: Oh, how far we have fallen when Soaring Rhetoric (TM) has become the chief qualification to assume the Imperial Presidency.

Lincoln likened the case to that of the boy who, when asked how many legs his calf would have if he called its tail a leg, replied, "Five," to which the prompt response was made that calling the tail a leg would not make it a leg. (source, Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln)

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." (George Washington)

Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder." (George Washington)

"I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." (Harry S. Truman)

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn’t sit for a month." (Theodore Roosevelt)

"Remember you are just an extra in everyone else’s play." (Franklin D. Roosevelt)

Interviews with CHS and Zeus Y. are now available:
My recent interview with Max Keiser (I appear via Skype about halfway)

Zeus Y. interview with Dennis Fetcho (MP3 file)

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El Oregonian's picture

Where's our next George Washington? <chirping>

dizzyfingers's picture

The penultimate truth about the USA (and it can't change -- sheeple won't allow it).

"both Status Quo political parties in the U.S. are hopelessly, ruinously corrupt and thus beyond any reform or redemption. We all know why: it now takes millions of dollars to run costly mainstream media election campaigns, and the only source for contributions of that scale is the financial/corporate Elite. It doesn't matter how you arrange the taxonomy of the financial aristocracy that rules the nation or how you subdivide it--old money, new money, family money, corporate money, etc.-- the bottom line is these campaign contributions are viewed by the aristocratic donors as investments that yield gargantuan returns in tax breaks, subsidies, bailouts, sweetheart contracts, "get out of jail free" cards for the shadow banking system, and so on."

brewing's picture

i signed their petition coming out of the dmv a few weeks ago.  it was definately a paid (appeared homeless) petitioner.  i've also registered to be a delegate to the gop county convention to support dr. paul. will work hard to get to the likely brokered national convention...

Tsar Pointless's picture

I say go Green! Roseanne Barr for President in 2012!

This was mentioned by some so-called "tinfoil" sites a few weeks ago, but as the past five years have proven, tin is the new truth.

Another Bush president. Wouldn't we be so lucky?

MachoMan's picture

In concept, the electoral college is an impediment to sovereignty....  However, in practice, the electoral college votes for the same candidate as their respective citizenry votes...  there are only a few exceptions...  and even fewer (any?) faithless electors that actually materially changed who won...


Dr. Engali's picture

If elections changed anything they would be outlawed.

pods's picture

I wouldn't give a shit who was president on three conditions:

1.  They did not go around the world blowing up brown people sitting on our oil who will not take FRNs for it.

2.  They would not force me to take part in all their super cool cost saving programs.

3.  They removed legal tender laws and fractional reserve banking.

Give me those and I care not who runs the government.  In fact, the problem is that we have such an omnipotent government to begin with, not who is leading it.

Having the government give up the power they acquired is like asking Golem to give up the ring.


RockyRacoon's picture

I believe you just outlined Dr Paul's platform.   Plus or minus a nuance.

Grey-Ghost's picture

The key issue is not the president but the treasonous poison that is the U.S. Congress. In 1790, the set punishment for treason by Congress was a hanging but those criminals still can trade on insider info, make the profit of the laws they were given to "pass" and have 40,000 legalized bribers, a.k.a. lobbyists to milk for a buck.

I mean, those crooks even get the money from bribers when the Holocaust is in question.

The U.S. mocks (their own) dictators all over the world when they fell out the favor and need to be replaced based on how much they - the dictators - have been on power, but they spend eternity in Congress. Edward Kennedy was a Senator for 46 fucking years; Joe Biden was there for 36 years and is now a VP of the country; that Inouye guy from Hawaii has been the senator for 48 freaking years. The people in so many states and counties all over the country have known only one / two crooks on power, for their whole lives!

As long as the two wings - the Despicable and the Repulsive - of the same rulling oligarchy stays in power and occupies the Congress this country would proceed as the Sovetsky Soyuz whose one party had been electing the same idiots all over again and let them finally destroy the system.


dizzyfingers's picture



RockyRacoon's picture

Oh, come now.   You're advocating that real, responsible, and accountable people occupy the Congressional offices.   After a period of cobwebs festooning the halls, it might actually happen.

Mercury's picture

...the bottom line is these campaign contributions are viewed by the aristocratic donors as investments that yield gargantuan returns in tax breaks, subsidies, bailouts, sweetheart contracts, "get out of jail free" cards for the shadow banking system, and so on.

Please, the SEIU is aristocracy now?

dizzyfingers's picture

Mercury: in 1984-speak, yes.

Money 4 Nothing's picture

The Electoral college is the trump card. Power to the people? Not.

LowProfile's picture

Not in a nation with 270,000,000 privately owned guns, you don't.

Money 4 Nothing's picture

Good read. Free men are armed, slaves are not. The Second Amendment backs up the First Amendment and 'round we go. Even without an Election, we still get to vote.

russwinter's picture

My feeling is that Gov. Buddy Roemer, who has been shut out by the GOP establishment is going to get the American Elect nomination. He is a great choice.

kralizec's picture

Americans Elect?!  Yup, makes it easy for those already predisposed to rather see the entire nation slide into the toilet than to have to vote for whoever opposes Obama, all because that person is not their guy...thus ensuring the shithead Obama stays in office.  What a fantastic plan!

pods's picture

I love this line of thinking.  Our scumbag is much better than your scumbag.

Of course, your first mistake is thinking that your scumbag is working for a different team that theirs.

Or that the outcome of this nation is actually in question.


kralizec's picture

So, you admit your guy is a scumbag too, now we're getting somewhere!  Now, who can best beat the biggest scumbag in the WH, eh?

Jacks Nipple's picture

Tyler, you forgot one of the most important:


“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

... The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

  • and is gravely to be regarded.


Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960


I fear to say the online nomination process will never work.

Event Horizon's picture

While we can all agree in the complete clusterfuck of the psuedo democracy we so enjoy.

The Americans Elect is a trojan horse backed by Soros mini-me hedge fundy CFR Peter Ackerman to essentailly manipulate and subvert the system, not to restore or repair it in any way.

Another Americans Elect promoter is Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, yes that one...


Beware the solution may be brought to you by the very corrupt elites that thrive in that very oppressive system. 


Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
Sun Tzu


kralizec's picture

Shame on ZH for posting an article pimping Soros schemes!  Shame!

SilverCoinLover's picture

Presidents Day? Today is Presidents Day? You mean they haven't got around to calling it Dictator's Day yet? Or what about Bankster's Puppet Day?

ChacoFunFact's picture


Does anyone know how to get a presidential executive order rescinded?

Papasmurf's picture

Banksters rescinded 11110 in 1963.

3FrenchHens's picture

B.I.N.G.O.  on the contributors investment/payoff.  The other side of that coin is, whomever is elected, are they really calling any shots anyways???? Will still vote... for 'the best looking horse at the glue factroy'! there is no electable good choice IMO.  Guessing nobody wants to be the the captain of this sucker when it goes down.  Probly more to work with in 2016? 

Disclosure - I am the eternal optimist, but a alas, a realist.  My Grandma used to talk about the good ole days - well, I am now emblazing today in my mind as one of our good ole days.  Glorious sunny day, taking my morning ZH break at a job I love.  Short drive home in small community to healthy, plentiful dinner with my family.  & hoping the kids cleaned up after themselves, being home from school today = )  

New American Revolution's picture

This site is ok as far as it goes, but it is somewhat limited in its choices and has no point of contact, which means their ears are stuffed with wax.   So how good can it get?   At least they have 3 choices for president, with 2 of them out, leaving Ron Paul, which is my choice anyway.

Want the straight scoop?   Go to

Serfs Up America!

STS813's picture

It's not just the presidential election that is important.  The president is only as good as We The People.  Greater importance should be placed on our so called state representatives.  They are the ones that pass "laws" and load them-up with pork.  Bruce Krasting's blog on H.R. 3630 yesterday is point-in-case.  Does it make sense that a simple extension of the 2% reduction in payroll taxes needed to be 386 pages?  Don't get me wrong, I think it is great that Keystone XL is now a go; however, the other "stuffers" within the bill are disturbing.  Although I subscribe to his blog, I think I saw Bruce's post yesterday under "Contributors" here on ZeroHedge.  Check it out.  Back to our supposed state reps; there is a movement that started here in Texas back in 2008, which is very similar to the one described above.  The difference is that it's designed to cut the legs out from under the political beast, not the head.  The group is called Get Out Of Our House, or GOOOH (pronounced Go).  Visit their website and get involved within your district.  We have a far greater shot in gaining control of our district house reps than a president. is the website.


carbonmutant's picture

Nominating and electing are two separate things.

Since we don't live in a real Democracy the former has little to do with the latter...

Money 4 Nothing's picture

I never wanted to live in a Democracy, That's why I chose to stay in the USA. If you want a Democracy, go move to Mexico or Greece.

f16hoser's picture

"If the last 12 years have revealed anything, they have shown beyond reasonable doubt that both Status Quo political parties in the U.S. are hopelessly, ruinously corrupt and thus beyond any reform or redemption."

Nothing more need be said. US politics are corrupted and broke. If a politicians' mouth is moving, he or she is lying out their ass. The only exception I see to this rule is Ron Paul. That's why the Republican Fascist Party won't give him the time of day.

JLee2027's picture

Don't give up on Ron Paul. The crowds at his rallies are growing larger - 14,000 people attended his rallies on Thurs/Fri/Sat last week.  This is being impossible to marginalize.  If this keeps up, there is talk of renting entire stadiums for future events.  If enough people want it, the GOP can't deny it.


1:40 in:

putaipan's picture

don't give up on RP. he is the voice right now. but if he is no longer an

option please be prepared with another option -


( actually i am more comfortable with all of rocky anderson's policies

but have supported RP because of mometum. i hope all RP supporters

will be so flexible if the run comes to an end. anything but the other 2!)

q99x2's picture

This is good. And if it doesn't work then Greece could drop out of the EU, restore democracy and offer citizenship to US refugees for a price that restores their economic independence.

Apocalicious's picture

Feudalism or Socialism, Feudalism or Socialism. Reminds me of the Futurama episode where the candidates were Jack Johnson and John Jackson. I'd like to pick Freedom behind door number 3, please...

ChacoFunFact's picture

this smells like the delphi technique.  investigating...

taken from the site's fine print section:

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putaipan's picture

@ChacoFunFact - really important ! beyond its connection to the topic at hand. thank you thank you thank you !

falun bong's picture

It's far from perfect but where I live (Australia) they have the Parliamentary system and it has some good aspects:

1. Political campaigning is *illegal* outside of 6 weeks before an election (America has lots more people so maybe make it 8 weeks)

2. Voting is mandatory by law, $5000 fine

3. You vote for a party, which means you concentrate on the issues, not the haircut, the newsletters, the marriages, or the dog on the roof

4. Every day on the radio they have Question Time, where the leaders of all sides have a real debate about actual issues and policies for all to hear, not sound bites

Downside, like in Japan, is that the party sometimes chooses leaders who are cronies. Overall though it's much better than the fake media show of US campaigns, electoral colleges, soundbites, and vote fraud.

johnQpublic's picture

which party decided that you cant have guns anymore?

Rynak's picture


2. Voting is mandatory by law, $5000 fine

Sooo, if all options that i get offered are shit, i get extorted to betray my conscience? Awesome!

Trivia: Whenever one side of a transaction is forced to accept, the other side can offer whatever conditions it wants. It's called extortion in personal matters, and monopoly/cartell in economics. You remove the option of non-interaction, you automatically endorse parasitism - because no environment is more benefical to parasitism, than the inability to selectively isolate/reject agents. It works for biological virusses, and it sure as hell worked for politics and economics.

4horse's picture

such aspects of aussie parliamentary system can only rival uk's own  .  .  .

Michael Danby, a Jewish MP in the Australian Parliament, has “enthusiastically agreed” to the idea of bringing to Australia thousands of Africans who have illegally immigrated to Israel (“Danny Danon: Send African Immigrants to Australia“; Jerusalem Post). The idea originated with Danny Danon, a Likud MP well known for his far right views.  Being a good rightist, Danon thinks that the immigrants are a threat to the Jewish identity of Israel  .  .  . So it’s not surprising that Danby wholeheartedly agrees with the plan. Being a good Jew in Australia means being an enthusiastic cheerleader for non-White immigration—long the policy of the organized Jewish community in Australia and throughout the Jewish Diaspora in the West.


.  .  .  so why stop there: empire spreads its... ah. er  good aspects yes!  to its good neighbor

LIttle wonder that a Mossad kidon immediately swung into action to enter New Zealand under false documentation, and eliminate her. Her killers could not be recruited from such a small, isolated country, and hope to escape capture after the assassination.


not dying. not acceptable

New Zealand Leader's Plane Lands Safely After Mishap

April 14, 2005

WELLINGTON, New Zealand -- A door blew open on a small plane carrying Prime Minister Helen Clark, she said Wednesday. Two police officers grabbed the door and held it in place until the plane landed. Clark said she thought she might die when the air rushed in during the Piper Aztec flight.



far from perfect, englishspeaking, but spreading Harper Martin Mulroney  .  .  .  Canada

psychobilly's picture

2. Voting is mandatory by law, $5000 fine

mandatory voting? 

how "democratic."  what a joke.  somewhere Mencken is laughing his ass off.

"I have spoken hitherto of the possibility that democracy may be a self-limiting disease, like measles. It is, perhaps, something more: it is self-devouring. One cannot observe it objectively without being impressed by its curious distrust of itself—its apparently ineradicable tendency to abandon its whole philosophy at the first sign of strain. I need not point to what happens invariably in democratic states when the national safety is menaced. All the great tribunes of democracy, on such occasions, convert themselves, by a process as simple as taking a deep breath, into despots of an almost fabulous ferocity. Lincoln, Roosevelt and Wilson come instantly to mind: Jackson and Cleveland are in the background, waiting to be recalled. Nor is this process confined to times of alarm and terror: it is going on day in and day out. Democracy always seems bent upon killing the thing it theoretically loves. I have rehearsed some of its operations against liberty, the very cornerstone of its political metaphysic. It not only wars upon the thing itself; it even wars upon mere academic advocacy of it. I offer the spectacle of Americans jailed for reading the Bill of Rights as perhaps the most gaudily humorous ever witnessed in the modern world. Try to imagine monarchy jailing subjects for maintaining the divine right of Kings! Or Christianity damning a believer for arguing that Jesus Christ was the Son of God! This last, perhaps, has been done: anything is possible in that direction. But under democracy the remotest and most fantastic possibility is a common-place of every day. All the axioms resolve themselves into thundering paradoxes, many amounting to downright contradictions in terms. The mob is competent to rule the rest of us—but it must be rigorously policed itself. There is a government, not of men, but of laws - but men are set upon benches to decide finally what the law is and may be. The highest function of the citizen is to serve the state - but the first assumption that meets him, when he essays to discharge it, is an assumption of his disingenuousness and dishonour. Is that assumption commonly sound? Then the farce only grows the more glorious."

- H. L. Mencken, Last Words

Barmaher's picture

As always, read the ZH articles but ignore the comments because, otherwise, you will go blind. 

americanspirit's picture

Lip gloss on every trouser fly and panty hose crotch in that convention. It will be Sarah Palin by acclaimation - you betcha.

FreeNewEnergy's picture

I voted for Obummer in 2008 and skipped 2010 because I was (again) disappointed with my choice. Prior to that, the only presidential election I ever engaged in was Clinton in 1996 and maybe I voted for Carter when he got run over by Reagan. I was registered a Republican until 1988, then independent from 1990 until 2004, and switched to Dem in 2008. Now, I just don't even care to switch back to independent.

At 58 years of age, I doubt I will ever vote again in America. I'll either just not bother or move somewhere else.

That pretty much sums up the thought process of people who have watched this country devolve into CRAP.

Problem Is's picture

What do all of these political bribes... aka campaign "contributions" pay for?

Political TeeVee ads...

The day the "brilliant" Amerikan public goes to Walmart, buys a sledge hammer made in China, goes home, destroys their TeeVee and learns to read...

That will be the day political reform takes a step in the right direction...

You can't get rid of the clown car full of pocket lining, bribed, corrupt political lackeys until the TeeVee mesmerised Amerikan clowns themselves wake up...