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Guest Post: Public-Private Partnership - Another Phrase for Fascism

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Submitted by James E. Miller of the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,

The word “privatization” is a loaded term these days.  Unions and big government worshippers scoff at the idea of any public services being in the hands of ruthless, greedy capitalists.  The left has the distorted view that people in the private sector are driven primarily by their desire to cut costs and throw workers out on the street.  To them, government workers are angels sent from heaven to do God’s work like picking up the neighborhood trash or maintaining a public pool filled with the bodily discharges of kids whose derelict parents decided to drop off and go shopping for a few hours.  On the right, conservatives who supposedly hold high regard for market forces and Ronald Reagan’s classic declaration “government is the problem,” typically have a favorable view of privatization schemes.

Given that government creates no wealth and only consumes capital, privatization of services would seem like an obvious choice; especially for cash strapped states and municipalities.  The rational behind privatizing public service is that the private sector is almost always more efficient in operation than bureaucracies unconcerned with earning a return on investment. Even leftists will grudgingly acknowledge the super quality markets tend to produce to a point.

So if common sense dictates allowing businesses with a vested financial interest in their own success to pick up the slack in delivering public services, why should free marketers be wary of such ventures?

There just so happens to be two different forms of privatization.  The first type is genuine privatization; that is the political class and bureaucrats completely removing their hands of any dealings with the offering of a service.  Supporters of the free market should applaud this type of privatization as it means entrepreneurs and investors can freely enter into the industries the government has just vacated.  As long as consumers demand the service in question, the opportunity will exist for businessmen to devise new and profitable ways in ensuring its delivering.

The other type of privatization shouldn’t be so appealing.  That’s because it isn’t true privatization but a deceptive form of political patronage. These rackets are commonly known as “public-private partnerships” and tend to garner bipartisan support due to the crooked dealings which are almost always their sole impetus.

According to the National Council for Public-Private Partnerships, PPPs are

a contractual agreement between a public agency (federal, state or local) and a private sector entity. Through this agreement, the skills and assets of each sector (public and private) are shared in delivering a service or facility for the use of the general public. In addition to the sharing of resources, each party shares in the risks and rewards potential in the delivery of the service and/or facility.

In other words, PPPs result in the government still maintaining the final say over the delivering of the service.  Taxpayers now have the noose of being forced to guarantee an “acceptable rate of return over the term of the partnership” to the contracted company around their neck.

Even though public-private partnerships are championed as cutting age methods to modernize the state, underhanded bribes on the taxpayer dime go back at least a century.  Perhaps the biggest, most powerful public-private partnership around is the Federal Reserve System.  The New York branch of the Fed, which has been given a monopoly on the supply of what has become the world’s reserve currency, is still technically a private entity that just so happens to have the guns of the state defending its open market operations.

Today, public-private partnerships are still offered as a way to mask ever-intrusive government.  Recently Senator Rand Paul introduced a measure in the U.S. Congress to “privatize” the crotch fondlers in the TSA.  “Privatize” is put in quotations because the bill would “require that the mostly federalized program be turned over to private screeners and allow airports — with Department of Homeland Security approval — to select companies to handle the work” according to Politico.  Private screeners would still be under the guidelines of the Department of Homeland Security and be paid with tax dollars even though they would be employed by a non-government firm.  Ironically, Rand’s father, Texas Congressman Ron Paul, pointed out the flaw in his son’s proposal last July when he wrote:

What we need is real privatization of security, but not phony privatization with the same TSA screeners in private security firm uniforms still operating under the “guidance” of the federal government.  Real security will be achieved when the airlines are once again in charge of protecting their property and their passengers.

President Barack Obama has proposed public private partnerships numerous times during his time in office; namely in childhood education and infrastructure development.  Last year when Obama pushed for an infrastructure bank to pool together capital already swindled from taxpayers to form a quasi-banking institution which would take out loans in order to pay for the rebuilding “roads, bridges, and ports and broadband lines and smart grids,” both the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO were in favor of it.  Along with the banksters who stood to make a hefty profit by charging above-market fees to finance such deals, the support of the CC and AFL-CIO should be a no-brainer considering unions and construction companies would most likely be paid to do the “shovel-ready” legwork.  It was a PPP even the left could get behind since a portion of the funds went to their supporters.

Public-private partnership schemes haven’t been limited to just America lately.  In Canada, the province of Ontario has recently considered granting a private company, Teranet Inc., the rights to operate its online service which delivers such things as birth certificates and driver license renewals.  According to the World Bank, many European and Central Asian countries are opting for public private partnerships after tax receipts plunged in the wake of the financial crisis.  PPPs are still popular among various governments for precisely one reason.

There is actually another, more accurate term for public-private partnerships.  It’s called fascism; plain and simple.  Private business may act as an administrator but the state still pulls the reigns.  From a political perspective, public-private partnerships are quite ingenious.  Politicians remain in control while convincing voters they believe in the efficiency of a robust private sector.  And when issues arise over the performance of a service, whatever private firm granted the monopolistic privilege of delivery can be treated like a scapegoat despite having to operate within government established guidelines.  The state escapes criticism as the public ignorantly clamors for more protection from those evil hearted businessmen.  To the ruling establishment, public-private partnerships are “heads I win, tails you lose.”

What the non-exploitive supporters of public-private partnerships tend to forget is that it isn’t just the administration of the service in supposedly private hands that adds to its betterment.  Why the market function so well is that it is driven by competition from businesses that don’t rely on assistance from the band of thieves who occupy the offices of the state.  Government assistance gives some businesses an upper hand on competitors which can lead to diminishing innovation.  Why compete when Uncle Sam has your back to ensure a decent rate of profit?  Then there are government grants of monopoly which give the chosen company absolutely zero incentive to cut costs.  All of the advantages of private ownership become effectively nullified in public-private partnerships to the detriment of the taxpayer.

In our world of unceasing centralization of power, lawmakers are finding more deceptive ways to mask their lust for dominance.  Public-private partnerships are the embodiment of what Mussolini dubbed “corporatism;” that is the “merger of state and corporate power.”  Under corporatism, the ruling class is able to expand unbeknownst to the Boobus Americanus and its equivalent in other countries.  The Average Joe still has his wallet forcefully stripped of its contents but now the state’s cronies get to partake in the plunder.  Meanwhile the same big businessmen who benefit from government privilege still maintain their praise for free markets while working with politicians to forcefully subdue their competition.

Murray Rothbard was quick to recognize why such parasites of men are dangerous for the blurring of the line between public and private when he wrote:

What’s needed is a corporate spokesman who embraces the government-business partnership with enthusiasm and joy – a kind of Big-Businessman-as-Philosopher. When such a champion emerges, Mr. and Ms. America, keep a sharp eye on your wallets – you are about to be fleeced.

Distinguishing between genuine privatization and outright fascism is the only way to make sense of the state’s manipulation of words and their meaning.

 


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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:24 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Good Lord Tyler,the posts are coming fast. I'm going to be up reading all night. I guess I better fire up a cigar and have another glass of wine.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:33 | Link to Comment Western
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Here in Canada we have "Crown Corporations". They are private corporations with the provincial or federal government as the sole shareholder, often administered by a ministry or some other public service goon team.

 

I have to deal with these hacks on a weekly basis; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Ferries

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:02 | Link to Comment Michael
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The United States Federal Government needs to end its Public/Private Partnership with The Federal Reserve Corporation.

The Federal Reserve Corporation has managed to fuck up The United States multiple times during the past 15 years.

From the Dot-Com/NASDAQ bubble and bust, what some $7 trillion lost and covered up by Building 7 on 9/11?

To the most epic US housing bubble and bust, it performed beyond my wildest imaginations, even more so than that previous bust did.

Now what do I even call this current bubble, what the Federal Reserve Corporation is trying to pull off?

I think I'll call it, "The Credit Money Bubble of Epic Proportions", for now.

It'll will be a performance of a millennium we will remember, for at least the rest of the millennium.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:04 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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"The Federal Reserve Corporation has managed to fuck up The United States multiple times during the past 15 years"

 

You give them too much credit. They managed to fuck up the country multiple times for 99 years.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:45 | Link to Comment dognamedabu
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If I figured out say a couple hundred years ago how to game the system, sorry, be the system.. Through the money system. That is it isn't it? To be one of the few, way before internet days, back in the ages of Queens and other powerful people. You have a system, and being in the money game, royality customers, I am sure they were hugley secptical. But this is a scam that can be replecicated time and time again. All they needed was to during good years, diverete the propfits to some idelist inbred or such and all would be well.  I don't know what to say, if one breaks it down it is sure to work. You have to admire the geniesus of the whole system. But to be boy toy just out there slutting yourself.. I can guarantee you I wouldn't have had the interest and would have ended up like some cobbler. Just happy to have hay, hey? But to observe that others have done it, learned it and are on a quest to expose it and oddly enough be part of it..

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 03:03 | Link to Comment Michael
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We're really just a laboratory experiment and are all currently playing our role. Confirmed by many documents.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 04:00 | Link to Comment Michael
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The Illuminati can kill as many of us as they see fit. If they kill too many of us, they know how to make more.

This is how they think.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 04:29 | Link to Comment shuckster
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To the Illumifucks you are just an output - put protein and carbohydrates in, get organic compounds out. Simple science, sir

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:39 | Link to Comment ITrustMyGut
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truth is... its too late I believe...

in this absolute corupt world.. any privitazation efforts.. are just new crony capitalist BS... insiders getting inside deals... raping the  "public funds" ( as if there were any left )

nothing but full reset can save us now...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:14 | Link to Comment dognamedabu
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I live here as well. It seems in all likelyhood that the fatel flaw in the BC Ferry model is what the author was trying to get at. Crown corperations are a really interesting business model to look into. On its sleeve it is about 'the public'. But right in its charter is that it is owned by the crown, which by any measure is far removed from the public. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:21 | Link to Comment dognamedabu
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A Capitalist reponse comes from http://www.harbour-air.com/ . The Pubic is asked to have run an efficient business model when there are some alternatives private ones availible? It's the public part that always become the issue. Most want more out of government than they put in. The soluation these bright people think is to just have more government. Oh dear! I am sure I am not the only one here to realize where this all leads. 

 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:19 | Link to Comment dognamedabu
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A capitalist response to be frank is can you risk your capital to create a system where people find it afforidible to get to the rest of North America without breaking the bank? I'm sure many have partaked riskier ventures. But this takes huge capital and a williness to provide. ANd not facing gov as your main competion. What if there were no such thing as public? How would I get across? I showed one way. Take a plane. Sure its it is more but $49 means nothing to those needing to be there. I am convinced if totally allowed to the public, there would be people who can take 10 cars, make $200 and be so far removed from public. To have a system where this is the case is like saying MIB is based on true files. To the other, I am sorry but if you choose to live on an island...You have to imagine that sometimes the cost/benifit does ask you sincirely if you are willing to take the trade off. And this is where public takes us for a ride. They will think it is their right to live on some island in north west north america. Only if we can get others to pay. And all that time and effort finding other ways is just a smoke screen for the inevitable. Why I like ZH is they never onced demanded anything but attention. I can pay that. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:30 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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BC Ferries now costing $60 for a car and driver ONE WAY. 15-20 year lows for cars and walk ons...gee, I wonder why?

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:07 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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...and they LOST $16 million CAD last year!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:36 | Link to Comment Flying Tiger Comics
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Seventeenth century monopolies / early eighteenth century bubble companies.

 

In an age where most people have the education of a boiled potato and the reasoning capacity of a garden slug reaching back into "ancient" history for another unoriginal way to rip off the citizenry seems like a safe bet.

 

All that's really changed is that the medieval struggle between aristocrat and merchant has finally been resolved in favour of the merchant class... which of course as a result is the new aristocracy.

 

The world will not be safe until the last banker is strangled with the guts of the last politician. Journalists are cockroaches and will be no further threat once the ruling classes of the world control system are liquidated.

As popular war advances, peace moves closer.

Guns n Roses said it.

So it must be true.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:36 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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All that's really changed is that the medieval struggle between aristocrat and merchant has finally been resolved in favour of the merchant class... which of course as a result is the new aristocracy.

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US citizen class warfare.

Another thing that changes: the new ruling class needs a lot of resources to support itself. A lot of. Consumption all over the way.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:39 | Link to Comment putaipan
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i might be wrong about this, but i believe this is at the heart of the problem- your reference to the 'crown' is simular to our problem with the 'federal' in federal reserve. it goes back to the liveries and the establishment of corporations in the 'city' of london. this is the legal structure for the fascism herein described. anyone with more info, please let us know. thnx.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:46 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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excellent remark, and yes, you are fundamentally correct. for the princes of the old times, all corporative power was very suspect and had to be harnessed. a "company" was a special royal permission to excercise a trade (often a monopoly) with limited liability in an age where debtor's prisons were common. this goes back to the Roman Augustean age.

On the other side, corporative power - as the association of tradesman in medieval cities, something that nowadays would smack of monopoly, trade unionism and political parties all rolled in one, propelled the rise of the "middle class" of that age - the bourgeousie -  until it was forbidden/reformed by the French Revolution, with it's liberal ideals of freedom of trade.

Interestingly, the term "crony capitalism" seems not strong enough, and both Mises Institutes like the term fascism. I have written several times here on ZH that this is not the case, since fascist economic application is quite different and fascism is often the result of the rejection of crony capitalism (with a more state-led alternative), but alas, it's near enough for certain aspects.

Also interestingly, both Mises Institutes never put the "thing" this way: the state is the biggest "household" with the biggest spending power. it consumes services and goods, and this includes those of the Security-Industrial Complex. as long as this Complex is propelled by taxpayer (and future taxpayer) money, it's a political excercise. more funds creates more possibility of sleaze, including bribes and lobbyists. it's always a question of degrees of corruption.

ultimatively, every lobbyist is sent to the capital to get more taxpayer money or legal protection for a market distortion - that simple, they might not work for you but ultimately they are paid by you, the taxpayer and citizen.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 03:22 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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1. DON'T pay any tax, fine,fee,pethat, license.......unless you are absolutely forced. 2. Protect against stealth taxes via money printing, 3. Accelerate the downfall/revolution by becoming part of the problem. Get on SSI, Disability, get farmland exemptions, ..... Get a gov jpb. You'll be paid to be an enemy, sow desension and save a muppet from itself. The Muppet serf/slave system is already grinding to a hault on its own contradictions. Lastly, have fun. The hate that.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 03:04 | Link to Comment Western
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You're correct in that the "Federal" in  "Federal Reserve" is a misnomer, in the sense that it fools people into believing the fed-res is a government branch, when really it is a private company.

 

BUT...........  The "Crown" is not a similar misnomer, because the province and federal government actually do run/own a crown corporation... they refer to themselves as the crown because anything government related in canada is an agent for the queen, we are after all a colony of the british empire.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 05:14 | Link to Comment dognamedabu
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The whole game was to make everyone think the 'crown' was irrelivant. Well maybe not the whole game but a big part of it. The crown figured out it was very much more easy to control corporations than control empires that 'control' the empire itself. Am I alone in seeing the evil brilliance? It is Fascism to the the ultimate. By including greed and corropution they made sure they cornered the game. This is why I actually think the west will smash the east. Our rulers are like that much far ahead. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:17 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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The "Crown" has nothing to do with the Queen.

 

 

The Crown has never been the King or Queen of England since the establishment of this corporate body. The Crown is the directorate of the corporation. The island of Britain is a financial oligarchy run by the "Crown" which refers to the "City of London," not the Queen. The City is run by the Bank of England, a "private" corporation. The City is a sovereign state located in the heart of greater London. It became a sovereign state in 1694 when king William the third of Orange privatized and turned the Bank of England over to the banksters. Considered the "Vatican of the financial world," the City is not subject to British law.

 

It has its own courts, its own laws, its own flag and its own police force, separate from the metropolitan. City (crown/corporation) police drive red police cars and their uniforms are slightly different from the Metropolitan Police. Read Here

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 20:21 | Link to Comment Western
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To expand on what I said. "The Crown" specifically refers to the pope's triple crown (which itself owns the crown of england)... we seem to be in agreement there.

 

I wasn't going to get into that discussion, I was trying to keep things simple for sake of brevity.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 05:56 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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Were you aware that the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia describes the Rothschilds as "the guardians of the Papal Treasure?" (scroll down in the link to the "The Union Générale" subheading) The full quote:

 

It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Roths-childs that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.

 

What was that that old man Rothschild said about controlling an entity's money? Do you think they've given up control of the Papal Treasure since then?  So who owns who?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:31 | Link to Comment old naughty
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"Crown". Didn't you get it yet?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:24 | Link to Comment batterycharged
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The US military is essentially handing over public money to private enterprise.

How has that worked out? Cutting costs? Really?

Usually when you hear "let the private sector take over" it means there's some lobby somewhere trying to steal public funds. Like the noise about moving social security over to Wall Street. It's not to increase efficiencies while cutting waste, it's an attempt to raid public cofers.

My issue with gov't spending isn't the intent, it's the lack of oversight and blantant theft of the money.  Giving houses to the poor is fine with me, but just watch Sopranos and what they did with HUD to get an idea of how all roads to hell are paved with good intentions.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:29 | Link to Comment Melenias
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I don't like the state

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:32 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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The right word for what is happening is Nazi.

The world thought it killed the Third Reich, but it had children and they are growing

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:37 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I agree and it's astonishing to me how they have accelerated the pace over the past 10 years. I barely recognize this country.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:41 | Link to Comment Flying Tiger Comics
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As SS-General Wolff (NASA) told SS-General Dornberger (Bell Helicopters) in 1945, "the military phase of the stuggle is ended. Now begins the political phase, and we will win this phase decisively!"

 

And they did. Our cops look like stormtroopers, fat ones, to be sure, but stormtroopers (and the special forces and special services police in fact are not fat idiots, but sleek nazis); the destruction of the common law and other institutions from Britain and the USA are destroyed, and with them the anglo-saxon foundations of true Western civilisation.

In its place is the gutter-trash socialism of Europe and the defeatism of effeminate puppets like Barry Soetoro.

Whilst behind the scenes lie waiting the cattle trucks of the NWO.

Awesome time to be alive, hein?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 04:06 | Link to Comment reTARD
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Agreed. The Nazis never ended with the Third Reich. The Rockefellers funded and supported Hitler, only to continue the Nazism here today.

And because such elites as the Rockefellers control the world mass media as well as the state-run education systems, sadly most of the world's population are socialists even though most don't realize it. After all everyone lives as a "citizen" of a state which socially and collectively "provides" some protection and risk-averting ("safety net") services via centralized organizations whether they are PPP or directly from goverment itself.

Another PPP is JPM as they administer SNAP.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:03 | Link to Comment Bob
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I heard from Webster Tarpley a few days ago that the Rockefellers also sponsored both Hayek and Mises in some fashion. 

Do you know anything about this?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:20 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Yes, their foundation was instrumental in establishing Hayek and Mises, first in London and then eventually in New York. It was during the pre-war window in Austria when the Nazi's were rounding up dangerous intellectuals.

The Rockefeller foundation eventually stopped funding Mises, in the early fifties, if I remember right. Hayek was established in University and seemed to play the game a little better than Mises. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:16 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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Hayek established the Mt. Perelin Society, and was closely associated with the PAN EUROPEAN MOVEMENT.  Hmmm.....

The article below is fascinating, very in depth, and will show that most that advocate for libertarianism and Austrian-everything don't have any CLUE as to its origins and connections with globalism.  I have to admit, I was surprised by this information.  

No need to down arrow me....I am neither a socialist, marxist, or fascist.  I am simply trying to learn as much as I can, and research things FULLY before I advocate.  It is clear that the Hegelian Dialectic is very present in the feud b/t marxism and austrianism.  I am starting to think that ALL roads lead to globalism, no matter what the system, simply because the concentration of power, be it public or private, is intent globalism.  Localism is the only answer! 

 

http://watch.pair.com/synarchy-4.html

 

“In 1931, von Hayek accepted an invitation to visit London to deliver a series of lectures at the London School of Economics. During this period, he became formally affiliated with the British Fabian Society. He eventually accepted a full-time teaching chair at LSE.

“Then in 1939, he initiated an organization that would evolve into the Mont Pelerin Society. The earlier group, the Society for the Renovation of Liberalism, included Frank Knight and Henry Simons, both of whom would train [Milton] Friedman at the University of Chicago; the American Fabian socialist Walter Lippman; Viennese Aristotelian Society leader Karl Popper; fellow Austrian School economist Ludwig von Mises; and Sir John Clapham, a senior official of the Bank of England who from 1940-46 was the president of the British Royal Society.

“It was this group, with the exception of Knight, who died, that gatheredat von Hayek’s initiativeat Mont Pelerin, Switzerland in April 1947 to form the Mont Pelerin Society. Among the other founders of Mont Pelerin were Otto von Hapsburg, the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne; and Max von Thorn und Taxis, the Regensberg, Bavaria-based head of the 400-year-old Venetian Thorn und Taxis family. The explicit purpose of the society was to revive and spread the Conservative Revolutionary ideas spelled out in von Hayek’s book  The Road to Serfdom. (The Legacy of Friedrich von HayekFascism Didn’t Die With Hitler)


Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment Bob
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Why are so many things not as they seem?

And why does asking any question seem to lead you down but another rabbit hole?

Can't say I enjoy it, but it's impossible to not wonder why "libertarianism" supports "neoliberalism" which ultimately serves to further concentrate capital and power to the detriment of the majority of mankind . . . and in fundamental contradiction of what seem to be the genuine sensibilities of most of those who promote it.

That part always seems ignored in the heady rush of idealism.  

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:10 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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This is one area where Mises vehemently contested with Hayek. Hayek saw benefits in socialism if properly distinguished. Mises saw no hope of that. Still, he was a mentor to Hayek and this conflicy wasn't resolved until the sixties. See "The Last Knight Of Liberalism" by Hussman.

Further, the Austrians were a school of economic philosophy, not a club or society. That philosophy was dynamic not static. There goals were the better understanding of economics and how it explained behavior. 

Even Rothbard changed as he continued to examine the world and its' history. 

There isn't a slot for every peg. The beauty of Austrian theory lies in its' freedom to examine all phenomena without the restrictions of being a reigning paradigm. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment reTARD
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I cannot say that I advocate Hayek necessarily as I just started to read his "The Road to Serfdom." That said, I was amazed that I had already came to quite a few of Hayek's points/conclusions via my own thought process prior to the reading.

Remember that the elites like the Rockefellers play both sides of the wars and of the debates. After all Hayek won a Nobel Prize and one does not win one without some elite's blessing.

But why can't there be whistleblowers or former insiders who can be good guys? Should we discredit people like the John Perkins (Confessions of an Economic Hitman), Nomi Prins (former Goldman Sachs), and others? While I believe Webster Tarpley is quite a good historian, I take his stuff with a grain of salt as he is also quite a socialist. I'll listen to everybody and decide for myself whether to accept some or any of their ideas.

Otherwise, I'd have an anarchist (ruler-less, voluntary), anti-state and anti-collective bent.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:07 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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and some of the children have emigrated

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:41 | Link to Comment world_debt_slave
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ah, yes, I remember reading about these a few years back, fav. program of Timmie boy and Uncle Ben.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:43 | Link to Comment Sockeye
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And P3s allow governments to put these projects off balance sheet, hiding public debt.

"This year, B.C.'s provincial debt is at $47.3 billion. On the surface, the debt increase under a decade of B.C. Liberal governance is $13.5 billion.
Nevertheless, that is merely a faí§ade because the debt does not cover many of the B.C. Liberals' public-private-partnership projects, like the upgrading of the Sea-to-Sky Highway, the construction of the Canada Line, or the Abbotsford Hospital.
Actually, the B.C. Liberals have another ledger called “contractual obligation” to record these “debts".
The B.C. Liberals have been building infrastructure projects with the P3 model. Compared to the traditional approach of government borrowing and holding a public tender, the P3 model costs more.
These P3 projects are considered "contractual obligations” instead of debts.
Thus, they are not stated in the government budget and the government does not provide detailed information about them because they are deemed to be private business secrets."

http://www.straight.com/article-376187/vancouver/gabriel-yiu-bc-liberals...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Whoever penned this missive is behind the curve.

...shoulda' been written, like, 15 years ago.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:26 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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"As We Go Marching", by John Flynn 1939. 

It was true for FDR and every president afterwards. Before they were defeated in War, Hitler and Mussolini were admired greatly by all the world leaders of the day. It is no surprise that their policies have been carried forward. The natural condition of the state is tyranny.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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In light of the post I made further down the thread, it's ironic that this is hosted by mises.org  LOL!

 

As We Go Marching by John T Flynn (Copyright 1944)

http://mises.org/books/aswegomarching.pdf

 

even more ironic, see Part Three:

PART THREE
THE GOOD FASCISM: AMERICA

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:07 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Thanks for the correction on the copyright. It has been a while since I read it.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:47 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Benito Obama

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:49 | Link to Comment AurorusBorealus
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The largest public-private partnership in the United States is healthcare.  Medicare (and Medicaid) pay the premiums for private insurers to provide HMOs to seniors.  The HMOs then pay private (usually not-for-profit, but not always) healthcare providers, who in turn pay private suppliers (such as McKesson, who boasts the highest-paid CEO in the country) and contractors.  The government then regulates each private company through the Department of Health and monitors the entire system with a series of inspectors from the various state "Departments of Health" who patrol the healthcare system, collecting supplications of all those "private" industries that milk the tit of state.

Keep this in mind when politicians speak of our "private" healthcare system.  It really is the embodiment of fascism, and the model for all these other public-private partnerships.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:35 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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The purest form of fascism is central banking.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:46 | Link to Comment Flying Tiger Comics
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International Bank of Settlements: created by Schacht (Nazis).

Interpol: created by Heydrich (Nazis).

European Union: created by Hitler (with help) (Nazis).

"Nazis are right wing not left wing"

-which proves what a total load of shit it is to bother about "left" and "right".

Socialism is an elitist doctrine founded on jewish hatred of anglo-saxon culture and the desire of elites generally to rule over the whole of the Earth. Jewish people of good faith realise this and fight it, along with the rest of us. As for the elite themselves- they have no real religion, culture or morality. Their only creed is dominion, as it has been from the time of Genesis (Nimrod) to now (???)

But there are twelve stars on the EU flag and its symbol is the tower of babel rebuilt. Tells you all you need to know. It's part of their doctrine, to do with free will, that the victim must be told what is to come, so that in theory resistance is possible- whilst in practice fighting them is very difficult.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 04:05 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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I disagree and say that they definitely have a Luciferian subculture that is both a religion and a culture, one of child rape, mind control, fomented war, and satan worship.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:12 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Oops,

You forgot to mention that they also kill those pure Aryan children to drain their blood to make matzohs (Illuminati natchos).

Buggery and a bisquit.

Sheesh.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 00:58 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Good article. The technocrats took over Argentina in a similar manner. It results in civil war and revolution. Under the bus with Rand Paul.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:00 | Link to Comment blindman
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Something a Bit Out of the Ordinary
by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
June 18, 2012, Monday Chatter
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/18/june-18-2012-monday-chatter/
.
..."Let’s talk about Bain, endless Swiss bank accounts, money laundering, every company they ever touched sold off, every job lost, every pension fund looted, all but Clear Channel, home of Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and the yellow bellied brigade of conspiracy nuts.

They are also responsible for turning radio into what we have today, a mix of lies and garbage, corporate music, imaginary news, you been living with. I don’t have to tell you.

“CC” is bankrupt, $50 billion in the hole and sinking fast but kept because the need to lie to millions is worth anything.

Well, let’s go a bit further. This is what they don’t want you to know. How are they staying on the air?

That’s a good question but the truth is, laundered cash, some American foreign aid to Israel, drug money, this is what allows a foreign country to control most of the radio stations in America the way Murdoch and Newscorp got control of Fox and so many newspapers, publishers, more mind control.
" ....
read more at link, speaking of public -private
fascism. some one said something, somewhere about
a d.c. wall street connection; there might be a clue?
oh yea, that is the job of the federal reserve. base
covered, no problem, move on.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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From an article containing questions for Mitt Romney:

2.   What is your relationship with Ms. Orit Gadiesh, and what will be her cabinet position in your Administration? Wikipedia informs us: Orit Gadiesh (Hebrew????? ????‎) is an Israeli-American corporate strategist and chairwoman of management consulting firm Bain & Company.  Research Ms. Gadiesh further and one learns that  prior to joining Bain & Company, and before working closely with Mitt Romney, Ms. Gadiesh served in the office of the Deputy Chief of Staff of the Israeli Army. Currently, her impressive resume lists that she sits on the board of directors of the Peres Center for Peace, an organization headed by yet another former chief of staff of the Israeli military, Lt. General Amnon Lipkin-Shahak.  Avner Azulay, a top-level MOSSAD operative, the managing director of the Marc Rich Foundation, is also on the executive board of the Peres Center.   Ms. Gadiesh headed up your “transition team” when you occupied the Governor’s mansion of Massachusetts in 2002.   Is Ms. Gadiesh your MOSSAD/CIA “Handler” Mr. Romney?   Is it just a strange coincidence that she has shadowed your every step – from Harvard, to Bain & Company, to the Governor’s Office?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:02 | Link to Comment Vidar
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Another manifestation of this type of fascism is the so-called "private prisons". They are just another way for corporations to use the state to rip off American taxpayers and are no more "private" than any other prison. They are still 100% funded by the state.

They have the additional pernicious effect of creating a new pressure group that pushes to make ever more laws and more and more things illegal so that the prisons are kept full. Prison guards unions are also in on this scam. The private prison industry is one of the biggest reasons we still have the utter stupidity of drug prohibition in the US.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:32 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The prison situatuion in this "free" country is ridiculous. Sending people to jail for doing something that has done no harm to another is such a waste. I'm sitting here with a glass of wine and a cigar posting this, what is the difference between me and a guy smoking a joint and having a beer? The whole thing is absurd.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:49 | Link to Comment Flying Tiger Comics
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So dope causing schizophrenia, drug dealer scum lining roads with severed human heads, prostitution of white women by subraces using drugs and so on, all of which was happening when drugs were legal btw, which is one set of reasons why it was criminalised in the first place, pace Hearst,- all of that is cool?

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:33 | Link to Comment fnord88
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What the fuck? You one of those people that actually believed the "reefer madness" propaganda? 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:41 | Link to Comment memyselfiu
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Yeah well Capone was doing the same thing when booze was illegal. Is the distinction lost on you that the illegality (and hence high profit due to artificial scarcity) is the issue?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:18 | Link to Comment Bob
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As long as enforcement of such laws does not target the wrong people, i.e., those with resources, it can be maintained because those "right" people just won't put it at the top of their lists of burning issues. 

Take the NYC "Stop and Frisk" program.  90% of the victims of these mass unconstitutional searches are poor people of color.  Tens of millions of them.  Of course, these stops are practiced nationwide. 

If it were educated people being abused in this fashion, there would be hell to pay.  But it ain't. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:34 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"If it were educated people being abused in this fashion, there would be hell to pay."

Hence, they don't abuse educated people. Derrr....

The SEC, CFTC, DOJ, DHS, ATF, etc, take a similar stance (just replace 'educated' with 'connected', or 'rolling in cash').

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:31 | Link to Comment Bob
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True, of course.  But how many are being shaken down on the street without legitimate probable cause, cuffed and disappeared into the prison system?

Some forms of abuse are palpably worse and objectively more damaging than others.  Not to mention dramatically more prevalent. 

But, sure, that doesn't mean you're not right as well. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:27 | Link to Comment world_debt_slave
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don't forget debtor prison

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:11 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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As much as I hate wasteful government, there are places in the world where government is not necessarily wasteful and actually serves the general interests of the public.

We have allowed our government to be commandeered by left and right extremism. There is no such thing as a corruption free society. Be that as it may, we are in no position to preach to the rest of the world and our political pontificate is falling on deaf ears.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:24 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Where I live there are services provided by the local government where I think they do a very good job, and I don't mind paying for them. But there are other areas where it is obvious they don't have a clue. It's those areas I hate throwing money at,but they seem to do the same thing over and over with the same result. The national level is another story. I don't think they can do anything efficiently because when they don't get it right it's time for another agency. The bureaucracy ist too big to manage and they don't know what the needs of the constituency are. One size doesn't fit all.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:49 | Link to Comment blindman
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the federal government, state government and
local governments are different yet connected,
as you well know. the banks and wall street
want them all operating on borrowed money at
interest rather than paying their way through
taxation. at the federal level the government
pays by creating base money supply for the
banking system and then some. the bankers
want control of all the utilities and resources
as cash cows under their ownership and control.
the people and the commons and the environment
be damned. it is their financial agenda and
is dictated by the paucity at the heart of the
symbolic debt based money system ideology and
paradigm. don't blame me, i didn't design this
particular hell realm and orbit of senility,
they did.
what they somehow do not consider is that their
design creates populations with no financial means of
medium of exchange other than rebellion.
as they say, they asked for it.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:49 | Link to Comment Bob
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The most public organ of the corporatist cabal, the "Mass Media," would be the best example, imo. 

No doubt it had its flaws from the very start, but could it have achieved the level of systematic debauchery of what was formerly public discourse without Clinton's Reaganesque delivery of the industry to private robber barons?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

This perversely stupid worship of things "private" is absurd.  Facile use of lunatic definitions and assumptions can lead you to believe the sky is green or that "government can only consume wealth, not create it" as our current author so glibly intones.  For those of The Faith, it's music to their ears: government creates no real jobs, creates no real value, and is the fundamental source of all evil. Drown that monster in the bathtub.

Ignore all evidence to the contrary as well as your own common sense because we've created an entire imaginary world defined in a way that makes everything we say true.  There are no shades of gray and no exceptions.  Ignore the interstate highway system and a million other examples that would be pointless to list because by definition they're something else.  See no private evil, only virtue derailed by government.  Who you gonna believe: People of the Faith or your lyin' eyes?

And if you don't "get it," you clearly need more education.  Real education, the kind free thinkers get outside of public schools because, coming full circle as always, government cannot provide anything of real value. 

It's like trying to reason with our troll ananonymous. 

Lovely entertainment for a certain personality type with the capacity for endless overintellectualization, but it looks like a massive pseudo-intellectual circle jerk to me.  One that just happens (must be an accident, of course) to benefit the oligarchs.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:42 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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I think it all boils down to a very philosophical point:  No "system", whether private or public, is inherently evil.  Systems are generally morally neutral.  It is the morality of those that control the system that either enhance or corrupt it.  

Ethics is the foundational element.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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I agree.

I actually think we are in a kind of "reverse fascism", where government is actually completely controlled by the globalist corporate cartels.

In Texas, our electric power grid is completely independent from the rest of the country.  One private company owns ALL the grid infrastructure.  This company (Oncor) is shoving the smart grid and "smart (stupid) meters" down our throats whether we want them or not.  We have no recourse, as we cannot vote out these corporate heads!  

How is this particular privatization good for freedom?  I'm sure the government is in there somewhere for having allowed this private monopoly to happen.  But trying to get answers to that question has been a wild goose chase!

There is no free market recourse in private monopoly!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Bob
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Inconvenient truth, that. Rather than addressing it, however, the focus here seems to be on looking backward in an imaginative way that assumes it could have been different if only for this or that, so let's strap it on to what we've got and call it a cure.

Now that corporations own or control most of the resources of the planet, let's get rid of the government that allowed or assisted in the process!  There you go: Change-o, fix-o! 

It's like rummaging through the closet for the box that damn defective alarm system came in so you can ship it back for a refund while you hear the thug advancing up the stairs. 

But apparently if the robbers are private, you should learn to enjoy and appreciate what's coming your way. 

Rape is only in the mind of the beholder, I guess. 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:17 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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PP financing is principally a method to expand government activities while keeping the capital cost off the government books.  It is very popular in Spain and Italy, for example:  An airport, hospital or other facility is wanted or needs complete renovation.  The private investor/coorporation arranges financing and operates the facility, being guaranteed a certain return each year.  The government actually bears the risk of the financing since funding it comes to the corporation via the annual operating guarantee.  The politicians tell the voters "Isn't this wonderful?"  What they don't tell them is that no private party will come in unless it allows them to grow THEIR empire with extremely low risk.  Why that insistance on low risk?  Because it is usually a facility which cannot grow, and the earnings can be foreseen at the begining of the deal, like a bond securitization.  The facility usually reverts to the government after a certain period, say 30 years. It seems to me that the projects spend out with disappointments and conflicts about level of service, charges to the public, and so forth.  A government with good credit...ha...is better off funding the construction but privatizing the operating contract.  This way it can typically negotiate much better, shorter, more specific terms.  It is usually the service level and service cost which is of interest.   [The US prison system is another issue entirely, and the bits I've read through strike me as absurd in part, sensible in part.  We incarcerate far to many non-violent offenders.  We offer the violent offenders too much opportunity to interact with other violent offenders.  We warehouse the violent with the non-violent.  We do not enforce standards of behavior in prisons sufficiently, so that they become adult versions of Lord of the Flies, or money machines for county governments, and so forth.]

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:34 | Link to Comment Element
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PPP is also a common means to make the public pay twice ... and then to keep on paying when it goes broke and needs to be nationalised.

PPP's are a damaging and demoralising arrangement, and in my view not in the public interest, but very much in corporate and financier's interests though.  

The Govt just facilitates and encourages it (oh gee, I really can't imagine why they would be doing that), and then pretends the whole process in not really just an elaborate scam.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:25 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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you know, I wouldn't have minded a hat tip, given that the premise of this article was my idea

 

https://twitter.com/icanhasbailout/status/214084789559492608

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:48 | Link to Comment element115
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Dude, is that Drago from Rocky IV?

"I must break you"

"Go for it"

Haha rad!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:53 | Link to Comment headless blogger
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"Distinguishing between genuine privatization and outright fascism is the only way to make sense of the state’s manipulation of words and their meaning."

I notice with many right wing conservatives exactly what this guy is talking about; always confusing the Corporate State (aka fascism) with Free-market capitalism, and thereby always supporting it, even when it is clearly not in their interest to do so (such as being talked into the bailouts).

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 01:58 | Link to Comment freedogger
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An honest question - why the term fascism? I always understood fascism to have elements of physical force, tyranny, brutality and opression. Corpratism is mentioned briefly and seems a better fit for what the article describes.

At any rate, I despise the lack of real competition and barriers to entry that result from this.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:03 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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This is a very thought-provoking article that I agree with regarding the dangers of PPPs, but the one question I have for Libertarians is how private security works? Does it mean that whomever can pay for security guards is free to deny the liberty of whomever they want, for whatever reason they deem appropriate?  Where is the check on power to deny liberty, and who guards the guards? I read Rothbard on this and it was the most ridiculous set of assumptions I've ever read. It was a recipe for a warlord state.

Representational governments have their problems (mainly corruption) but at least they are at least in theory accountable to the people. Where does accountability come from - even in theory - with private security firms?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:51 | Link to Comment AUD
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Warlord state? You're already in one, you just don't realise it since there is only the one Lord, of War.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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Clearly we are not living in the same world.

Warlords come into play when centralized power fails. They fill the power vacuum left by centralized control, and take local control. We are not there yet.

As to the claim that there is only one Lord, of War, you could not be more wrong.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:29 | Link to Comment falak pema
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as always in the alcoves of private sector, like in private lives, accountability comes by looking at each other eye to eye, before the clothes come off and the steam clouds the thought, and action engenders reaction of rising passion. When the dust settles then we ask the other what is he/she accountable for. If he be Oligarch his reply is invariable, "it be my pleasure and now your duty to me". If he be honest partner its either, "well that was a lovely champagne party" or "I'm all in and you are my dream come true". Moral of story, never contract a security deal with an Oligarch more so with a guy your own size. And if it aint possible, go buy public cover as fragile species. No ideal solutions in life, especially for a woman who looks like Helen of Troy, unless she has the heart of Circe. For the others its easy come and wheazy go. But then I'm just a rolling stone and I try and gather no moss on my internet trek by avoiding the cobwebs. Poetry is champagne to drinkers of the i-cloud of the written word. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 23:44 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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I didn't know my avatar looked like Helen of Troy, but I will definitely take that as a compliment.

As to whether I have the heart of Circe, I leave that for others to decide.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:47 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Rothbard's "assumptions" include two very important ideas you have neglected to mention. One, is the concept of private property and its' enforcement. Two, Rothbard recognized the need for security, just as we all do. However, he felt people should be able to source it privately. This then can be purchased in a form that meets their security needs.

We buy insurance. That can be security protection or have an insurane provision that provides that security.

More importantly, Rothbard believed people would create their own solutions that met their community needs. Historically, this is what has happened in most societies. 

You are complaining about imaginary warlords, when the goosesteppers parade outside your door. The only time governments have been accountable to the people is when the people forced revolution and change. 

Security has always been an issue in life and functions at many different levels of threat. Creating a balance between security and tyranny is a delicate task. Erroring on the side of liberty, in my mind, beats the gurantee of tyranny that is always the end result of the State.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:29 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Exxon tyranny or Monsanto tyranny or Dow chemical tyranny...Extractive empires and slave labour manipulators...don't have to be kings and dictators. Since the Catholic church was created we have had a new form of tyranny in the West; it was a corporate transnational selling a spirtual product of very toxic content, hate of the other, instransigent intolerance. And all through the centuries this private multinational challenged the kings. It even seduced their "best and brightest" nobles by making them the special carriers of "god wills it" swords; the knights Templars. The king realised these latter were a danger to his power and he had them burned with the agreement of Pope, now no longer his rival, more his kept servant. Not only were the Templars failed crusaders but also dangerous bankstas of that age.

There is a lesson to be learnt there...Burn the Templars of today! in their WS/CIty temple and regulate the power of the new oligarchy church, the so called free market of the new Pope of universal greenback. Learn from history, and make sure our kings are elected and answerable to us! 

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 23:23 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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You completely misinterpreted my post. I am not complaining at all. All I am doing is stating that Rothbard proposed a completely unworkable solution to physical security.

If monetary payment is required to secure security, then what about all those who can't afford it?

Then there is the question of the aggressors: could they exist without the tribute of those they claim to secure?

And then the biggest and most loaded question: what are we being protected from?

Have you ever heard of the phrase "protection racket"?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:09 | Link to Comment sosoome
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Article IV, Section 4

    "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of government,..."

This little factoid should be pointed out to any and all government reps, regardless of party (they both love P3s).

I agree. Call it what it is; Fascism.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:40 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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My, does it mean that the constitution acknowledge that a republic is a form of government?

But if so, how US citizens claiming to respect the Constitution can sell the republic as a political ideology?

Well, maybe because they are US citizens and respect of the so called constitution is circonstancial to US citizens.

Respect it when it pleases, dismiss it when it costs.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:53 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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STFU

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:08 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Its not incidental you half wit.

Why do you think citizens are pissed?

Under the Constitution, no citizen is above the law (not O'Barry or Holder or Dimon etc.)...but we see examples of it everyday with the powerful protecting each other and the anger continues to build.

The craven mis-use of power (bestowed temporarily on a few) in no way reflects badly on the republic or the Constitution...just the opposite.

It shows real time examples of why we adopted it in the first place.

And it will be enforced, one way or the other, as it is just and proper.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:10 | Link to Comment Rastamon
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Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

#10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt.

 

Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

 

 

wow..... sounds JUST LIKE libertarian "ideology"

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 03:05 | Link to Comment Vic Vinegar
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If you are a hedge fund manager, why do you come on here and piss on libertarian ideology?  That's kind of a shitty hobby to have.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:12 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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Apart from appeasing to the "libertarian" label, I'm really surprised this bought you six up arrows. I think most of your posts are vacuous, divisive, diversionary, or meaningless.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Perhaps you should provide an example of said libertarian ideology, as well as the source for your 14 points. This type of propaganda is banal and dimwitted.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:16 | Link to Comment Rastamon
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Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom fascism, from Hermann Goering's expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds." The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having "betrayed" traditional values.

Eternal Fascism: Umberto Eco
14 Ways to Uncover Fascist Ideology

 

 

 

 

 

 

ooooooooooops .... more familiar characteristics and the usual rhetoric heard from the libertarians/teabagger camp .... are you suuuuure you know what you are?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 03:11 | Link to Comment Vic Vinegar
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are you suuuuure you know what you are?

Since you are taking time out from managing your hedge fund, you can take some time to listen to me...there are three groups of people in the world: exploiters (i.e., pigmen), the exploited (i.e., sheeple or 'GUMS') and internet pontificators/complainers.  Generally speaking, the internet pontificators/complainers are right, but it means nothing because there is nothing behind their words.

Ah, I'm rambling.  You get back to your hedge fund duties and let this Ludwig von Mises guy go back to talking about how the world should be rather than how it is.  

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:07 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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To anyone who combines libertarian and teebagger in a sentence I can respond in only one way. FUCK YOU!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:01 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Yes, because there is always a recipe to unearth these philosophies. Eco is a moron. All groups in power attempt to destroy the voices raised up against them. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:20 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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'Crystal Nacht?'

Hark!

I hear window panes being broken...

Go back to sleep. It is not our house.

And yet...? Sleep would not come...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:32 | Link to Comment Fort Mac Flatlander
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The greatest advantages of the Crown corporations is that during deficit years they can be "privatized" and budgets can be balanced.  Of course this usually coincides with an election years and the most profitable enterprises are the ones that are sold. In Saskatchewan these CCs were Cameco and Potash Corp.  However, the "service" crowns that rarely make profits, such as public transport and infrastructure are kept on the books of the taxpayer in perpetituity regardless of the amount of use.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:32 | Link to Comment Fort Mac Flatlander
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The greatest advantages of the Crown corporations is that during deficit years they can be "privatized" and budgets can be balanced.  Of course this usually coincides with an election years and the most profitable enterprises are the ones that are sold. In Saskatchewan these CCs were Cameco and Potash Corp.  However, the "service" crowns that rarely make profits, such as public transport and infrastructure are kept on the books of the taxpayer in perpetituity regardless of the amount of use.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 02:45 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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Kudos for calling out traitor Rand.

Rationale is spelled with an e, though, Mr. Miller.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 03:01 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Higher Education (Higher Affirmation) is one of the largest "Private-Public" systems around.

Not to mention the corporate prison system, Chase bank running EBT and Unemployment card systems, utilities, cable providers, the EBT-Walmart/Pepsico/Yum Brands partnership, etc., etc.

I give a Heil Hitler or Praetorian Guard chest pump salute to every Chase branch and State University Campus I see.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 03:48 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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Times they are a changing. I know this vid has been edited to extract max sympathy - it worked ( kind of). Made me very homesick for Mtl: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05/25/montreal-pots-and-pans-video-bill-78_n_1546694.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 04:17 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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Fascism is what it is. It is and has been since at least the JFK assassination. It's simply becoming more obvious to those who dare to look. Miller is right to connect it to the private/public schemes and how they are not "free market" in the slightest but simply extortion rackets designed to dupe lazy ideologues.

Complete control, even over this song.

You're my guitar hero!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHtTkKNAbWQ

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 04:31 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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The left has the distorted view that people in the private sector are driven primarily by their desire to cut costs and throw workers out on the street.

Are you seriously suggesting that the goal of the capitalist isn't to make profit?

 

I think you need to re-learn what Capitalism is all about.

 

P.s. This Fascism - it's the INEVITABLE RESULT of capitalism.

 

You have a deep flaw in your thinking - you think 'private ownership' means 'everybody' and 'all' - when in fact it was always going to end up being the few.

 

I find it amusing how the 'defenders of capitalism' are determined to blame anyone or anything for the demise of the system - and deliberately overlook it's inherent contradictions which inevitably lead to human conflict and revolution.

 

Everybody objects to a bailout - until it's their turn. Just like all capitalists condone fascism - unless they are the fascists.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Bob
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I believe you meant "condemn" fascism, rather than "condone" there. 

Your "vote counter" is dead, btw. 

Just curious: What would you view as the best way for society as a whole to move forward from where we currently find ourselves?

Socialism would exhibit its own inherent contradictions . . . as all idealistic belief systems do when tested by the real world. 

I don't assume you're a proponent of socialism.  Like most of your "capitalists," remaining socialists today can only cry "But, but, it was never really given a legitimate chance . . . that wasn't 'real' socialism, far from it!", but most with "collectivist" leanings have come to recognize that the story was just a fairy tale, lovely as it might have been. I agree, doctrinaire "capitalists" have yet to realistically work out their disillusionment. 

But condemning "capitalism" is like shooting fish in a barrel.  What's your alternative?

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 04:38 | Link to Comment Coldfire
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Yes, the limited government of the Constitution has been replaced by fascism. Leonard Peikoff predicted it in the 80's in "The Ominous Parallels". Nothing lasts forever. The idea of America is still strong, just not in the United States. Liberty has left the building.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 05:30 | Link to Comment dognamedabu
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Ok!! Ok!!! Can it not just be recognised that many many know what is going on? I for one am sick of getting raped and then to just have that fact shrugged off like it is just a consequence of living in this day and age. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:10 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Picture perfect successor to VAn Rompuy. Our old friend from Italy. The most dangerous trend in modern day society, private ownership of government by the Oligarchs. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:39 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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"The left has the distorted view that people in the private sector are driven primarily by their desire to cut costs and throw workers out on the street."

 

Damn straight - I have had many employees who I've thrown under the bus every year because they are fucking hopeless braindead retards.

 

I guess I have fascist tendencies... or maybe it's a testament to the zombies who live in our society who expect and entitled life full of Ipads, Iphones, 10 week holidays, corner office out of grade school etc etc etc

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:59 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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IMO local/regional free market enterprise systems > global 'capitalism' system(which is really fascism...large multi-national corporations colluding(controlling) with multiple national governments globally.

 

Fascism with a twist...this time the corporations take over the governments(the State) instead of the State taking over the corporations.

 

Either way sucks for the common people.

 

As for Marxism, Socialism, Communism...as I've said here before those 'isms' and capitalism spring from the same root. Austrian Economics(von Mises), Gentile born? I think not. This quote below tells it like it is, whether you like it or not, and at this point I really don't give a shit. Call me antisemitic, give me red arrows down, whatever...but it's time to start calling the origins of all these 'isms' for what they are.

 

 

Marxism, Socialism, or Communism in practice are nothing but state-capitalism and rule by a privileged minority, exercising despotic and total control over a majority having virtually no property or legal rights. As is discussed elsewhere herein, Talmudic Judaism is the progenitor of modem Communism and Marxist collectivism as it is now applied to a billion or more of the world’s population.

Only through thorough understanding of the ideology from which this collectivism originates, and those who dominate and propagate it, can the rest of the world hope to escape the same fate. Communism — Socialism was originated by Jews and has been dominated by them from the beginning.

 

quote from:

JEWS AND MARXISM —
SOCIALISM — COMMUNISM

 

 

As for Jews and Capitalism:

 

Mr. Muller rejects the claim made by Milton Friedman in 1972 that "for at least the past century the Jews have been consistently opposed to capitalism and have done much on an ideological level to undermine it." Mr. Muller calls that "at best a half-truth." In fact, he writes, "many of the foremost theorists of capitalist activity have been Jews," or of Jewish origin, pointing to Milton Friedman himself, Alan Greenspan, Ayn Rand, Ludwig Von Mises, Irving Kristol, and Margaret Thatcher's advisers including Keith Joseph, Leon Brittan, and Nigel Lawson.

 

that quote from a review of the book Capitalism And The Jews

 

Personally I view true free enterprise on a smaller scale(local/regional) as a completely different animal than capitalism, especially globalist capitalism.

 

Jews and Fascism...The modern State of Israel is actually a fascist State as well, as Jews such as Albert Einstein recognized back in 1948:

 

By December 1948, a distinguished contingent of Jewish scientists and intellectuals warned in The New York Times that those leading the effort to establish a Jewish state bear “the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party.” Albert Einstein joined concerned Jews who cautioned Americans “not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.”

 

that quote from:

jewish fascism Will Israel Fall in Five Years?

 

So lets review:

 

Communism — Socialism(and most likely Capitalism - dis) was originated by Jews and has been dominated by them from the beginning. ~ Dilling

 

Yes I am fully cozignant of the distinction between "The International Jew"(the globalist bankster class, and their tools, dupes, and agents) as Henry Ford put it, and the common everyday Jewish folk who have been used as pawns by the former as much as any of us Gentiles. I see "The International Jew" as the force behind the things discussed above. I don't see Ms. Dilling(come and hear link) whom I quoted above as making any such distinction when maybe she should have.

For any Jewish person who may have taken offense to what I've posted here, on which side do you stand(or identify with)? The International Jew or the common man? Any snide remarks about populism is answer enough. IMO The International Jew hides behind the skirts of Judaism, in order to shout antisemite from the rooftops, when faced with criticism about their 'practices' that are raping the common man(Jew and Gentile alike) on a daily basis.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:27 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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I think your points are valid, and I have studied this topic deeply.  I am familiar with Dilling, as well.  But in addition, I have read many critics of Talmudic-Judaism who are JEWS THEMSELVES.  After all of my reading, I have realized that the problem starts with the Talmudists and ends with the Talmudists.

You make a fair distinction between the average Jew and the Talmud/Kabbalah class.  Basically, the modern state of Israel and the Jewish leadership structure is unabashedly Talmudic, which is at its core racist, supremacist, and overly ambitious.  They are nothing more than modern-day Pharisees.  They have hijacked a whole group of people, and are putting the innocent ones in great peril.  

It is time for the common Jew to ditch the knee-jerk defense mechanisms and start calling out those in their religion who have the evilist intentions.  And they do!  It only makes sense for ALL people of ALL faiths to hold those in power to accountability for the greed, power, and evil intentions they embody.  Judaism certainly doesn't have a monopoly on evil and tyranny, but it certainly IS a part of the equation.  

To tie in to this article, I would offer that PPP's are simply part of the ideology of the "Third Way" (fascism), and Communitarianism (also fascistic).  It is Hegelian at its core.  One of the leading advocates and activists of the Third Way is a man named Amitai Etzioni.  Interestingly, he is Jewish!  He has advised many world leaders, including the US, and has really shaped the form of modern government more than most would even realize.  Below is a link to a site who educates about communitarianism and how to fight it.  This activist GETS IT!  

http://www.newswithviews.com/Raapana/niki4.htm

(Niki Raapana has her own site, but this article was posted at another.  It is a good introduction to communitarianism and Etzioni.)

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Againstthelie
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Both of you are at least capable to think outside the matrix. The really important question is another:

If the sheeple are not willing to learn about this "religion", do they deserve freedom or do they deserve the slavery of the money masters they have?

And this brings up another important question: if the masses are not capable to look behind the fictious world the zionist media create, how can a system work, where every braindead has one vote?

It can only work, if the money masters lose their influence on media. And to deny this, they are glad they have i.e. Libertarians as their useful idiots.

If there is only one force in one direction (the money masters lobby), then an accelerated movement in that direction is a consequence. So where are the forces in the western world, that are reducing the influence of the money masters on private media, on politics? There is no true political opposition in the western world, all parties are pro GLOBALIST agenda and against the nation state and national souvereignity. So it's very simple: look whom these parties and forces hate most and you know, who is on the side of the people.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 05:43 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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my puppy for prez said:

 

"But in addition, I have read many critics of Talmudic-Judaism who are JEWS THEMSELVES."

 

 

Exactly, and I have learned a lot from people like that.

 

Thanks for that interesting link on Communitarianism too btw...

 

Regarding Etzioni(born Werner Falk in Germany) I found this revealing and immediately see what I'm dealing with:

 

 

Etzioni’s writings began to focus on foreign policy after the 9/11 attacks.[9] A refugee from Nazi Germany who fled to pre-independence Palestine, Etzioni’s sympathy with hardline views of Israeli security has been widely noted.[10]

 

Many of Etzioni’s views on Israel are in line with those of U.S. neoconservatives and Israel’s right-wing Likud Party. During the early 2000s, he published a number of articles in the neocon mouthpiece the Weekly Standard, edited by William Kristol. Among the topics he wrote about for the Standard were the benefits of the George W. Bush administration’s “war on terror,” and the “under-reported story of Islamist violence around the world.”11 In one Standard article, Etzioni criticized “new historians” like Avi Shlaim and Benny Morris (who challenge traditional Zionist views of the creation of the state of Israel), accusing them of “concocting wholly misleading interpretive frameworks.”[12]

 

quote from: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/etzioni_amitai

 

Have you ever read this? Babylon's Banksters by Joseph P. Farrell  (as in Babylonian Talmud)

 

It's full title:

Babylon's Banksters: The Alchemy of Deep Physics, High Finance and Ancient Religion

 

If you read it also check out many of Farrell's sources in the bibliography of Babylon's Banksters.

The Babylonian Woe by David Astle being one of the most interesting to me. Hard reading on the .pdf file, but still very interesting.

It's full title:

The Babylonian Woe: A Study of the Origin of Certain Banking Practices, and of their effect on the events of Ancient History, written in the light of the Present Day. (1975)

 

I appreciate the other two thoughtful responses as well.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:27 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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When you are a small minority, the only means of effecting your will is through government and the police power of the State. Zionists, Dictators, Leaders of Rebellion, Merchantilists (includes our founding fathers) or Goldsmiths, it is all the same. 

You merely have to provide a trade that is seen as beneficial. Security for control. You relieve the common person of responsibility for the vagaries of life, while requiring he act in an approved fashion. You justify your terror with the distinction of criminal or citizen. 

The beauty is in its' simplicity. The reality is reinforced by continuous programming and the creation of manageable conflict that sees your champions (police) as protectors. The people submit, because they fear the monster you parade as the real enemy.

Unfortunately, there is no solution. For those capable of understanding, the choice is obvious- withdraw and minimize your exposure in the best place available. The herd of people will always succumb. There may be new tyrants, but they will be tyrants all the same.

All the isms of the world are a means to capture the soul and enslave the body for the parasites that feed on life and labor. Liberty is not an idea, it is the true state of nature. Dangerous, fraught with predators, disease and responsibilty. Tough choice: alive or half- dead? 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 06:51 | Link to Comment Element
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Ron Paul speech this morning - Syria intervention plans:

June 19 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8rCvfwoRGMg

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Legislation?  Sure Ron, good idea. 

But also, don't discount the value in walking right up and really bitch-slapping Obama good and hard. 

Jus sayin mate.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:25 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Putin bitch-slapped his boy in Mexico.

"Comrade! We need more incompetence. Now! Do as you were trained!"

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:02 | Link to Comment Element
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Dunno about fascism, but hard-bastard realism is definitely becoming more widespread, and that is leading to ideological experimentation and electorate desperation.  Good article:

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Golden Dawn and the rise of fascism
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/19/golden-dawn-fascism-...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:23 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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At first glance, I thought that was a pic of Barry X, Streetfighting Man.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:34 | Link to Comment flight77
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These free market masturbators are completely confused. Fascism meens the melting of Private Cooperations with the government.
Private companies like JPM, General Electric, Goldman Sachs a.s.o.
The so called free market is an idealised tale fro the Grimm Brothers.

And one question for the Gold bugs? How do you want to implement a Gold backed currency without Gold???
The vaults are empty. You gotta have to steal it (f.e. from Germany).
Do you want to confiscate the Gold of the Rockefellers and WARBURGS TO GET SOME FUNDING?
The accumulation of Capital, ignored by todays Austrians is the main source of surpression, causes wars, and destroys the world economy.
Rand Pauls endorsement of Romney tells the whole story

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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You might want to slow down and parse your thoughts. The authors here agree about the melding of corporations and central government. Yes, the free market is a fairy tale- it has never existed. The common misconceptions, as taught in economics, involving barter and credit as a progression are false.

Yes, there are difficulties with a gold backed currency, but there is nore gold in private hands than in the Centrakl Banks. It is a complex subject. Personally, I prefer the elimination of legal tender laws. It would accomplish much of the same thing.

Have yet to read where the Austrian school ignores the accumulation of capital, as that has always been a main focus. Yes, debt financing causes wars and destroys economies. 

The story of the humans as whores? Yes, but it is tired and common. If you were fooled by Rand Paul or any other "hero", then you only have yourself to be angry at.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:38 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Private gains and public losses. Sound familiar? It should.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:53 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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Is it just me or are the sheeple starting to look like they've been fleeced a bit too much already? Nothing but bloody scabs left.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 07:58 | Link to Comment Hubbs
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Don't forget the medical fascism: the government with a financial gun to doctors' heads requiring the adoption of Electronic Medical Records (EMR)...NOW,  or else suffer the consequences of increased cost and penalities later.

These software companies, mine TSI from Raleigh, NC brokering NextGen Software know that the doctors, especially (former) solo practioners like me, (now unemployed) are under the gun to buy some kind of software, even if it is a bloated, poorly designed, unrefined POS -at least from the doctor's standpoint of having to enter medical records.

The sales force are little more than Bounty Hunters, searching out the doctors who are "not in compliance."

TSI sells the contract , obligating me to pay $1300/month for 5 years to Key Equipment Finance (a subsidiary of Key Bank, NY). So now there is another non -productive eater with it's mouth in the medical pie. For me, this is no better than paying extortion to the mob. $1300 is wired out of my retirement account every month for nothing. NOTHING.

The hospital thinks it can increase the bottom line by employing more orthopedists, so hires 2 orthopedists, and drives me out of business. Then fires one, now 1 1/2 year later can't replace the one it fired or the one it drove out of business. And the one remaining? Well, let's just say the hospital is about where it started-with one orthopedist, possibly no increase in the bottom line , (if any- the physician employment models may confirm this) but only after having wasted a wad of money, on recruitment, now having to pay locums coverage for the 2 months he is on vacation( 7 weeks) or getting Continuing Medical Education(1 week), and overhead. Where does the hospital get the money to do this? Albemarle Hospital, NC gets 60-70% of it's income from Medicare and Medicaid, enough to allow the Kool-aid drinking CEO to pursue reckless policies, which now have the hospital being put up for sale...open bid, not the assumed smooth transition of being merged with Vidant Health, out of Greenville, NC. (the Politicians at one time swore that they would never allow the hospital be acquired by an out of state hospital like Sentara, VA).  No worry, because the target hospital is now such a flea ravaged dog that Sentara probably wouldn't touch it anyway, not now.

The other problem? Doctors , formerly like me, who depended on Medicare and Medicaid payments, are at the mercy of the bureaucratic bumbling, or actually what is a growing medical fascism.  Bottom line doctors: bite the bullet now, get out of Medicare Medicaid Tricare and try to deal only on cash payment or with "private insurers", and if the latter make life too miserable for you, then hopefully they don't comprise such a huge portion of your payer mix like Medicare/Medicaid, that you can simply refuse to deal with them.

So the government on one hand enables some hospital administrators to do stupid things, and on the other forces the doctors to do others. One thing is for sure, I never in a million years would have entered into a contract for this EMR. I am now stuck with paying $1300 /month for 4 more years for a "service" I did not want, did not seek, but was corralled into buying.

 

 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:48 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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Governor Tarkin: Princess Leia, before your execution, I'd like you to join me for a ceremony that will make this battle station operational. No star system will dare oppose the Emperor now.
Princess Leia: The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
Governor Tarkin: Not after we demonstrate the capabilities of this station.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment frank
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Fascism is a variant of socialism.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:09 | Link to Comment falak pema
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its national xenophobic and statist. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment frank
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Socialism is a variant of statism.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:07 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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So, to recap...

Mussolini was Europe's biggest socialist admired even by Lenin...

He developed fascism "strength of numbers bound by law"...

He said: "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." 

We're getting there, Benito, we're getting there! 

 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment Againstthelie
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So the big parasites against society, concentrated in Wall Street, are not part of Wahsington and the establishment in the western world, but are working in a quarry?

Sheeple, if you do not even recognize what forces are a threat to the money masters, how will you ever become free?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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"Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."  Mussolini

 

Sounds like you're having a hard time with the English language. If you can't understand what the founder of fascism himself said about what fascism is, then I don't know who can explain it to you.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Againstthelie
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In the current system the banks and international high finance are the ruling powers - hidden forces - and not the elected politicians!

Roosevelt and Churchill already were freemasons, they were GLOBALISTS and the current system is nothing else.

One key aspect of Fascism it has in common with National Socialism, was about removing the INTERNATIONAL forces, international banks, the money masters from their power over the nation state and it's politics.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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The article posted by Miller correctly denounces Fascism.

But he also incorrectly bases his analysis on the fallacious premise that “government produces no wealth”.

We are asked to close our eyes and believe that a public school teacher produces no "wealth", but a private school teacher doing the same job does produce "wealth". Similarly, for garbage collectors, firemen, food inspectors, etc.

To bolster his fantastic claim, Miller links another article which asserts "The only way to determine if something is of value is for it to be voluntary purchased." That assertion further ignores the possibility for a group to democratically make a "voluntary" choice. By myopically only considering individual actions, the possibility of social activities is denied.

On an even more basic level, narrowly defining what is of human value as only that which is "purchased" has many shortcomings. One shortcoming is that those who command the money, however ill-gotten, get the most dollar votes as to what is of "value" regardless of consequences to what perhaps is the other 99%. Is human life itself also of no "value" unless it is "purchased"?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment stiler
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TPTB don't want you to realize the power you already have and it doesn't matter where or when you live. Read your Declaration.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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Call it whatever you wish, but a variety of special interest groups are in firm control of the government....just one more example from today's news, Monsanto has its way with its own bill to circumvent the judicial system which it does not control:

 

The bill would “empower a single corporation and a few of its industry friends to move beyond the control of the U.S. courts, USDA and public review to make their own rules and profit from slippery back door politics,” Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the center, said today in a statement.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Cisco Kid
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Much of this is occurring in te the U.S. with the so-called "education reform" of Obamas Arne Duncan. Charter schools, emphasis on testing, firing of entire schools of teachers is, in reality, this fascist hostile business takeover of public ed. by favored crony capitalist firms like Pearson Publishing, various charter school chains, consultant firms, content providers, Microsoft, etc.

Are Americans REALLY comfortable with Pearson Publishing having the power to be the sole creator of ALL TESTING of K-12 children starting this year? Other than a small (yet growing) grassroots movement of opposition, do many Americans realize the Orwellian implications of having a private firm mandate, and profit from all thought processed to our nation's young people? In defense, how could most Americans even know about this scary proposition when the media outlets are not informing them of these dangers, since the media is an adjunct of the same fascist cabal? Charter school chains are bankrolled by Wall St. Hedge funds, providing handsome returns to investors down the road, while they have to date, provided no improvement in results compared to the old union schools. Many have engaged in fraudulent activities, and been closed, only to be given to another "free market" firm. There is HUGE money to be stolen in education, and Gates, Eli Broad, Rupert Murdoch, and the rest, are there to make it.

Pearson also wrote "the Common Core"which is the new standardized approach to American education curriculum, starting in full next year. Again, the implications of one private firm wielding this much power in a "democracy" is mind boggling...cept, as this article relates...we aren't in a democracy any longer....goodbye the free thinker, the genious poet artist, the philosopher, the radical. These will all be weeded out of America...the land of the free...your kids will all be corporate widgets, taking corporate tests in their dull, routinized brains...and this is only the beginning.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Bob
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Got any authoritative links on this stuff?

Dianne Ravitch has only a book outlet that I could find.  Does she have a blog?

BTW, there are two companies that share the educational testing industry with Pearson, the Educational Testing Service and Measurement Inc. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment Cisco Kid
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There is so much shocking stuff going on in this area, and so few parents know truly what's behind all of these changes. It's about ologarchial control of public Ed. For huge profits, and total corporate control of the masses without any deviation or dissent. You think there's no dissent now? The bottom line with poor results in US schools is that poor kids without parental support resources mostly dont achieve in school, no matter who their teacher is. Socioeconomics are so bad,that learning is difficult. The new regime has gotten no better,and often worse results with this group, while tearing apart schools that have served communities in other ways.

Yet the corporate outlets have covered up this very poor performance over the last ten years since they're in on this plan. Bloomberg and Murdoch own most of the outlets inthiscountry, and they are both huge players in this hostile takeover.

For more on the re.ality of this....and for a sane voice on what is really going on here....check out Dianne Ravitch's blog.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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 A typical privatization scheme calls for a mixed bag of public-private services.

Thus, for example, the best students would be channeled to privatized schools, and the most difficult, troublesome students to the public schools. No surprise, the privatized schools will come out with arguably better statistical results in that "fixed competition"!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:45 | Link to Comment stiler
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TPTB are rebellious agst the legit govt of, by and for the people. They are inhumane. They are not human.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment ForTheWorld
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It seems pretty clear from the article and the responses to it that people have allowed themselves to be so easily divided into neat little groups, each despising different things.

You guys hate governments and their "lazy" workers, but hate banksters too? You hate "socialism" and the government handouts that you think go with it, but you hate banksters hoarding ridiculous sums of cash and distributing it amongst themselves?

There's no capitalists, capitalism, fascists or fascism - there's just a bunch of greedy people trying to get everything they can, with no care for anyone or anything that gets in their way.

I've no doubt I'll get junked severely for this, but people here appear to be drinking an awful lot of Kool-Aid recently, and not thinking for themselves (even though, for as much as they go down the rabbit holes, they think they do).

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Cisco Kid
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Rwa...this is exactly what. Bloomberg has been doing in NYC for 10 years. Charter schools don't take many disturbed, immigrant,or difficult students. These poor performing students are then shuttled to the local , traditional union school. This overloads that school with lower performing students, and their "data" suffers, causing Bloomberg to point fingers and close that school....all along the line the dominos fall.

As far as legitimate sources to prove what I say...

Click on Articles on Ravitch's website...you'll get her articles...this will be a start....It's no secret that Murdoch is in neck deep in the Ed.business. Ex schools chancellor of NYC immediately went to work for Newscorp when he resigned from his city job. His title? CEO of educational products. He started buying ed related firms for Murdoch-firms that Klein had given city vendor contracts to a year or two before. One big one was Gen Wireless. These people have visions of controlling ed. systems worldwide, and profiting forever. NY State just made available all student ed data to "cloud" companies for the creation of a huge database. Education is now big business, and with that comes the standard business plan-eliminate job security...pay people peanuts with no benefits. The new schools under Bloomberg hire newbie, cheap about 90 per cent of the time. Bottom line...currently your public school child is a bit player in a war , and destruction of the existing into something possibly much worse. Test factories where teachers will be petrified of losing their jobs if they happen to have underperforming students, or special Ed or immigrant kids. And your kids will be tested constantly, making billions for the likes of Pearson Co., and maybe to your kid's detriment. Educrats shuffle between high paying state jobs in Ed.....then leave and accept high paying charter school gigs. The " edocracy" is alive and well, and is about so much more than student achievement, since they have achieved nothing in 10 years, other than destruction, and a constant reshuffling of the deck. Its about billion dollar profits for the .1 per cent..

Sun, 06/24/2012 - 02:12 | Link to Comment monad
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The UPS driver brings dog biscuits. My dog wags his tail when he hears the truck.

The USPS driver carries mace. My dog regards him as an intruder.

My dog wouldn't understand this article if I read it to him, but even he gets it. Most people are just clueless.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 08:02 | Link to Comment Lumberjack
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Here is a bit about a man running for retiring Olympia Snowe's senate seat and is ahead in the so called polls. Both he and his business associate were involved with Maine PBS (Gardner was the president of that PPP) There is a hell of a more to this story but you will get the drift. 

 


Angus King backs Obama for re-election, but that doesn’t mean he’d caucus with Democrats

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/03/09/news/state/king-supports-obama-for-re-election/

Let me explain a little here. King was an attorney and had past ties to the energy sector in Virginia. The law firm he was associated with also specializes in RICO law.

While Governor, King used his position as governor to pick the winners, namely himself and stave off the competition until his second term was up. 

http://www.macalester.edu/windvisual/redingtoninfo.html

After his term in office, King formed his own wind company that has received federal money (much like First Wind (which employs his son) as well as his PUC Commisioner (Kurt Adams) who got stock and a job at First Wind while he was a sitting member of the PUC.

http://bangordailynews.com/2010/04/21/politics/expuc-head-enriched-by-utility-company/

There also were a lot of stay behind's in the next administration that moved Kings' efforts forward. Then guess what... He decided to get into the wind business 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Maine

While King was reaping the rewards of his efforts, the next administration really got things rolling for them...

http://www.asmainegoes.com/content/chronies-living-well-long-after-baldacci-gone

So much so that Governor Baldacci stated that when his term was up he would be working for the wind industry... but then changed his mind after leaving office.

http://www.asmainegoes.com/content/wind-power-corruption-tux-turkel-pph-blows-lid.

Now who is Jay Cashman? His other company specializing in dredging just got a sweet contract cleaning up the PCB mess left by GE in the Hudson river and is gearing up to do work on the proposed offshore wind projects. (King is a big promoter of that folly).

http://www.hudsondredging.com/2011/04/06/ge-selects-contractor-for-hudson-dredging/

We all know from my posting here that GE got stimulus money and then cancelled it's offshore efforts but never returned the money. 

http://dailybail.com/home/ge-dumps-offshore-wind-power-plans-after-collecting-125-mill.html

We also know that Jack Immelt, CEO of GE is also Obama's job czar. 

And this:

Financial disclosure reports show great wealth disparity among Maine Senate candidates

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/06/29/politics/financial-disclosure-reports-show-great-wealth-disparity-among-maine-senate-candidates/

[snip]

BRUNSWICK, Maine — Former Gov. Angus King has received more than $350,000 over the past year and a half as a consultant, trust executor, college professor, corporate director, public speaker and author, and he and his wife, Mary Herman, hold millions of dollars in assets that include stocks, bonds and mutual funds...

...During the nearly 18 months covered by the report, King earned five-figure sums for sitting on company boards, including $67,000 for the Bank of Maine, $18,000 for Hancock Lumber and $25,000 for Woodard & Curran, an international engineering firm with an office in Portland. Campaign spokeswoman Crystal Canney said King resigned from the federally regulated Bank of Maine board in April in order to avoid a conflict of interest.

King also divested his ownership in wind development company Independence Wind in preparation for his Senate run, selling his stake to partner Rob Gardiner. The disclosure report shows that King earned a profit of $69,500 from that transaction. He also had earned $50,000 a year in management fees for three years he spent working on the development of two wind turbine projects, at Record Hill in Roxbury and Highland Plantation in Somerset County.

King also earned almost $40,000 from his Maine state government pension and between $10,000 and $30,000 during the reporting period in rental income from two rental properties in Brunswick and a rental condo on the Caribbean island of St. Thomas.

Both King and Gardner were with the Public Private Partnership known as Maine PBS. Here is a little about those PPP's

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-public-private-partnership-another-phrase-fascism

And this:

W.P. Stewart & Co., Ltd. (Bermuda) Announces Appointment to Board of Directors

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/wp-stewart--co-ltd-announces-appointment-to-board-of-directors-71829577.html

There is much more, but now you know why Angus King supports Obama and like Mitt Romney, loves offshore finance.

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