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Putin's New Vision Of Eurasia

Many western politicians have harbored deep suspicions of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Vladimorovich Putin since he first emerged on the Russian political stage in 1999.

This is hardly surprising, given his KGB background, though those with longer historical memories will recall that Yuri Andropov came from the same organization and that the West grudgingly found a way to work with him.

While the worst aspects of the Cold War faded away with the peaceful collapse of the USSR in late 1991, twenty years later, trying to figure out Kremlin politics remains as vital an exercise as ever, and the “Putin era” has provided Washington analysts desperately reinventing themselves to hang on to their jobs with rich fodder.

Is Putin a democrat?


Or something in between?

Place your bets.

What does seem to be apparent, with last week’s announcement that current President Dmitrii Medvedev would stand down in next year’s presidential elections, is that Putin is a shoe-in to recover the Russian Federation’s Presidency, and that, since the term has been extended to six years, Western governments will perhaps have to learn to live with him helming the Russian state until 2026.

But one aspect of Russia that has eluded most Washington pundits since 1991 is the fact that Russia a) has developed a free press of sorts, certainly in comparison to the Bad Old Soviet days, and b) that Putin is genuinely popular with many Russians, an observation that many Western liberals find more than a tad irritating.

But to return to basics – what Putin represents is an awareness that dawned late in the USSR, only with the advent of Gorbachev – the power of the media.

In a weird reversal of perceptions, while Gorbachev essentially ignored domestic opinion to cultivate a Western image of “a man with whom we can do business,” to quote Margaret Thatcher, Putin has turned the media equation on its head, appealing to his constituency while essentially ignoring western attitudes.

Suitably miffed, the Western media has rounded on Putin, deriding his efforts to construct a “macho” image a la Indiana Jones, riding horse bare-chested through Siberian rivers, practicing karate, etc. etc. etc.

But there is another audience for Putin’s bravado that the West remains at best dimly aware of – the post-Soviet space. And it is here that his efforts have deeper resonance than most Western observers understand.

In May 2005 while President Putin told Russians that the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” leaving the denizens of the fourteen other nations to emerge from the Soviet debris field wondering exactly what he meant.

On 4 October Putin suggested that ex-Soviet states form a "Eurasian Union" in an article which outlined his first foreign policy initiative as he prepares to return to the Russian presidency, commenting that the organization would build on an existing Customs Union with Belarus and Kazakhstan which beginning in 2012 will remove all barriers to trade, capital and labor movement between the three countries.

Needless to say, Putin’s suggestion has unsettled conservatives worldwide, who believe that he is trying to reassemble the Soviet Union by stealth.

A more dispassionate view of Putin’s proposal indicates that it actually contains more than a modicum of sense.

First, except for economists of the Soviet era, few understand that the collapse of the USSR tore apart a country where economic development was geared to the union as a whole, rather than its constituent republics. To give but one example – all the electric meters for buildings were produced in Lithuania, so after 1991, a Kazakh, Azeri, Russian or Kyrgyz constructing a building and wanting to measure its electrical usage had to deal with – Lithuania.

Given the way that resources, both natural and man-made were distributed across the USSR, the collapse of the country produced consequences which are still playing out.

Secondly, it is more than passing strange that Western capitalists, fierce advocates of “free trade,” should see a darker purpose in Putin’s suggestion – after all, NAFTA in the Western Hemisphere and the EU have developed similar trading principles. In NAFTA, the U.S. is obviously the dominant power, and Germany occupies a similar economic position in the EU, yet few argue that either is seeking to dominate its fellow states.

Last but not least, the reality for the bulk of the post-Soviet space, and including the USSR’s former protectorate over Eastern Europe, the Russian Federation remains Eurasia’s dominant energy superpower, with the exceptions of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, and only Azerbaijan has managed to wiggle out from under Moscow’s thumb for its energy exports to the West.

And even those are subject to Russia’s pressures, as the brief August 2009 Russo-Georgian war indicated.

The economic integration of the European Union has hardly led to increased military tensions between EU members – accordingly, for Western observers, they should at least adopt a ‘wait and see” attitude towards Putin’s “Eurasian” suggestions, as closer economic integration could in fact benefit former Soviet states who sign up.

But, at the end of the day, Western negativity towards the proposal may well be grounded in fears that Western investors may find the dynamics of the playing fields in the post-soviet space shifting. The litmus test in the case will be Kazakhstan, whose booming energy sector in the last two decades has attracted more than $120 billion in foreign investment, and whose President Nursultan Nazarbayev had given his support to the “union.”

One of the most striking developments in the post-Soviet space has been the rise of nationalism, and there is little in Putin’s remarks to indicate that he intends to send Russian tanks rolling to reassert Kremlin control.

Sometimes, to quote Sigmund Freud, a cigar is just a cigar, and a customs union is just a customs union – and Moscow has other interlopers to worry about besides Western capitalism – like China, who even the Kremlin’s Marlboro Man has yet to figure out how to counter.

If the last two decades have shown anything, it is that the new nations of the USSR would prefer to interact with the European union, or, better yet – the United States – but the former seems solely interested in their energy assets, while the latter is interested in buying everything that is not bolted down while delivering hectoring human rights lectures to boot.

And Moscow, is, after all, the devil that they know – but Beijing has the yuan, not dollars.

Tough call.


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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:30 | 1764094 Spirit Of Truth
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Democrat or Stalinist or something in between?


Putin is likely the prophetic Antichrist -

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:59 | 1764394 Schmuck Raker
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"Putin is like, totally the prophetic Antichrist"



Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:35 | 1764481 caconhma
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Who is Putin? Well, he is

·      A professional assassin with very close association with the Russian Mafia

·      A very corrupt politician and a thief

·      As his predecessor and his mentor Yeltsin, he is an integrated player/member of the world central banking establishment

·      It is just a matter of time before he will be overthrown. He just has no places to run


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:55 | 1764523 Shvanztanz
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Putin is a toxic, vaporous cloud of Terminator 2 style oozing morph grease that changes form at will, travels through time and wears a cloak of lizard skin stripped from the Kimodo dragon. He walks through walls, he leaves nasty notes to your friends, signed in your name, he unplugs alarm clocks everywhere in the middle of night before life changing interviews with potential employers, he cheated me out of 2 dollars when I was 8 years old, he left the water running when I went on vacation, he got drunk and told my girlfriend what I really thought of her, he talked me into buying that house in 2007, he took my sister to my prom when she was only in 9th grade, he printed four trillion dollars worth of fiat, he says that everything I write is trite and cliche, where is this mother fucker! Justice! It's time for Justice! And Payback! I'll be back. I have to go sharpen a stake at both ends.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 03:03 | 1764683 Titus
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Russians only respect strength. Putin is viewed as the strongest man in Russia. The ONLY rule of law in Russia is leverage and might. The rest of this media analysis is bullshit. If Putin can reunite the former colonies he will. It's either progress or stagnation and death. If you're not progressing someone else will view you as weak and try to take the Czar's crown. 

Putin's new child and the future Czar of Russia was recently born of a mid-20 year old Russian gymnist.

He's setting up a dynasty so there's no need to run.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:04 | 1764739 BorisTheBlade
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Very simplistic even if with a grain of truth in it. Strength is something of a value, definitely, but if you look back even at the 20th century, Russia always needed to be 'strong' to even survive, such as its geopolitical position in the world. It's not the island UK or island US separated by the sea or even better ocean from potential invaders. Americans are bitching about Mexicans slipping through the border, try Chinese in Siberia or radicals from Central Asia or Caucus. Strength in this case is not a choice, it's a necessity and even a burden.

And no, Putin is not the strongest man in Russia, these characters among recent would be I say stronger in a pure sense of this word:

Both are combat generals with political ambitions, both curiously dead, both could radically change Russia's posture and aggressiveness, one had a chance to win the elections, second to stage a successful coup d'etat. Putin, if anything, is just a pragmatic. He needs to appear as strong to address popular demand, he does that, but no more than necessary. Hence posturing shirtless or messing on tatami, which in the end says more about power of the media than the man's strength. In fact, I think as a former intelligence officer he is used to a much less flashy appearance, but being pragmatic he realizes that if it's not him, then it's somebody else - quite possibly much more radical as well.

Creating customs union with Kazakhstan and other former republics is again pragmatic decision. In the end for how long WTO that rests predominantly on the US ability to consume whatever the rest of the world produces can be sustained? And why rush into organization that is in the state of the permanent crisis and will be hostage Sino-US flexing going forward? It's stupid, it's like rushing onto Titanic as the last passenger. Why West is perceiving or portraying it as a hidden restoration of Soviet Union? I think it views as a threat any competition and this one creates precedent for, alternative to global in scale WTO, regional organization. This is dangerous as potentially sets example for others.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 08:23 | 1765019 Raymond Reason
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Great comment!  I agree.  The West is completely hypocritical in their attitude towards Putin.  Where was the outcry when Bush Senior (former CIA chief) was President?  Russian is the language in which most business is conducted among the CIS, and so it makes sense from a practical standpoint to remove artificial barriers to trade. 

Quite frankly, the reason Putin is so hugely popular with Russians, is because Russians feel that he has Russia's best interests at heart.  Can you name a politician here who does not openly advance his own interests, or that of a portion of the population?  Maybe Paul. 

He was demonized by the West for nationalizing Yukos Oil.  Well, Russians see that as taking back from the Oligarchs, a piece of what was carved up and distributed by the West. 

Oh yes, the West has been successful in exporting "democracy" to the Russians.  And what came with it was mafia style capitalism and corruption of the youth; i.e. graffiti, tattoos, rap music, homosexual values and practices....Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, missionaries who speak in tongues, but can't speak in a second tongue, i could go on.  Yeah, it's no mystery why he's popular. 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 09:23 | 1765157 barkster
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LOL - Putin might be upsetting the bilderburg apple cart.


My favorite line: "one aspect of Russia that has eluded most Washington pundits since 1991 is the fact that Russia a) has developed a free press of sorts". Now I will complete that sentence: "one aspect of Russia that has eluded most Washington pundits since 1991 is the fact that Russia a) has developed a free press of sorts, unlike the US".  Pravda of the 1970's is not very different from the CNN of today.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 08:29 | 1765028 cossack55
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So, does this mean we will go to permanent war for permanent peace with Eurasia first, and then Eastasia?  I'll ask Winston or O'Brian.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:27 | 1765866 Socialism4Ever
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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:05 | 1764413 Cynical Sidney
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putin is a strong handed thug, a control nut who centralizes every aspect of russian affairs. he's a homo gone mad with power like adolf. He likes to treat other politicians to his harem of whores, secretly videotape the encounters then watch them and jerk off

as long as the dictator for life continues to hijack democracy russians will never know freedom and liberty. putin needs to be brought to account for his crimes: journalists assassinations, black op false flag operations, apartment bombings, nuclear isotope poisonings etc.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:26 | 1764459 Spitzer
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I just wish he had the balls to put all of his US dollars on the COMEX

(Unrelated blog post)

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:55 | 1764598 Herd Redirectio...
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I am a big fan of unrelated blog posts.  Check out the latest from the Capital Research Institute, "Jubilee, An Idea Whose Time Has Come"

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:39 | 1764491 UP Forester
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Yeah, reporters who criticize Putin seem to have the life expectancy of whistleblowers on the last half-dozen-or-so U.S. administrations....

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:36 | 1764110 DormRoom
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Putin is a neo-Csarist.  The aristocracy has been replaced by former KGB Putin loyalists.  He can't exit power, because if he does, he becomes politically weak, and his numerous enemies will off him.


As long as he can provide favors, and positions for the ex-KGB vanguard his security is assured.  He'll win the election and serve another 12 years.  It's plenty of time to distribute wealth, prestige, and power to the  KGBtocracy.  And they will keep him safe.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:42 | 1764360 DoChenRollingBearing
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None of this really matters to the USA.  All we need to do is keep cool re Russia (and China,) and everything will work out fine...

IF we get OUR house in order!

Ron Paul 2012!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 05:52 | 1764810 Snidley Whipsnae
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Right you are DCRB... I especially like this bit...

"If the last two decades have shown anything, it is that the new nations of the USSR would prefer to interact with the European union, or, better yet – the United States – but the former seems solely interested in their energy assets, while the latter is interested in buying everything that is not bolted down while delivering hectoring human rights lectures to boot."

Yes, without Russia's energy assets the EU growth would slow drastically...and if Russia/China are really on the outs why are the enormous oil/gas pipelines linking the two countries being built?

...and, who is the US to deliver lectures on human rights while the US has the worlds largest prison system (a privatized industry), filled with 'felons' that have used various drugs that the US has deemed illegal. The US has more prisoners in jail per capita than any other nation on earth! ... not to mention those prisioners that are disappeared to various foreign countries for imprisonment and/or torture.

In addition, the US starts wars on the flimsiest pretexts anywhere and everywhere... well, everywhere that energy exists in the ground or profitable drugs grow above ground.

This article is another example of 'when things go wrong at home, point fingers elsewhere'... Putin and his KGB/oligarch pals are boy scouts compared to the US bought and paid for politicians and the bankers that do the buying.

Prepare yourself for a lot more of this type drivel as all fiat currencies slide toward the dust bin of history. Hey! it can't possibly be the fault of the dollar reserve currency... It must be the fault of the Euro, or China, or Russia or _______ fill in the blank.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:34 | 1764146 no2foreclosures
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Putin is a Russian.  That means he will do whatever hell it takes to preserve and defend Mother Russia from the "Axis of the Righteous."

". . . since 1991 is the fact that Russia a) has developed a free press of sorts . . ."

There is more truth and honesty displayed on Russia Today (RT) than all of ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX/CNN/PBS/NPR combined.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:42 | 1764165 DormRoom
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free press?


Didn't Putin authorize an assasination on a former Russian journalist in the UK?  The method of assasination was radioactive poisining.


Speaking of fascist regime, what's up with America, and your death list?  Apparently the president can authorize drone strike against US citizens (terrorists), without due process.  In effect a robotic aerial death squad.  wtf America... liberty, and justice under the law?  Seems inconsistent for the US to go outside the law to protect liberty.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:43 | 1764186 no2foreclosures
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UK is where all the despots and banksters and Russian oligarchs go when their gig is up.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:25 | 1764462 redcorona
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"Russian" oligarchs.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:43 | 1764499 english serf
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Yep, they fit right in with our ruling elite

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:04 | 1764539 Shvanztanz
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It must be tight around the banquet table with all this Oligarchs flooding in.

"Pardon me, me droogie, but that's my dish of lemon water."

Sooner or later even Oligarchs have to be saying, "if we get any more Oligarchs in here, it's going to be hard to tell who the Oligarch's are."

Is there a secret Oligarch handshake?

I'll tell you what, if I was an Oligarch, and people kept showing up at my bar-b-que and giving me the secret shake, that shit would get old, round about the time the beer started getting low. And you can bet that I wouldn't be breaking out the tequilla shots until the crowd thinned out, and I wouldn't think twice about calling the bobbies about a noise complaint at my own house, just to get rid of a few Oligarchs enough to be sure me and my homies got to settle down on the party favors.

You dig it the most.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 05:04 | 2299891 jaffa
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Eurasia is a geographical continent. It is also a socio political supercontinent comprising the socio political continents of Europe and Asia, with Eurasia in this concept being a portmanteau of the two. Physiographically, it is a single continent the concepts of Europe and Asia as distinct continents date back to antiquity and their borders are geologically arbitrary. Thanks.
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Tue, 03/27/2012 - 01:47 | 2293532 jaffa
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The Silk Road symbolizes trade and cultural exchange linking Eurasian cultures through history and has been an increasingly popular topic. Over recent decades the idea of a greater Eurasian history has developed with the aim of investigating the genetic, cultural and linguistic relationships between European and Asian cultures of antiquity. These had long been considered distinct. Thanks.
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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:38 | 1764342 niccolo and donkey
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"Didn't Putin authorize an assasination on a former Russian journalist in the UK?  The method of assasination was radioactive poisining."


No he didn't, unless you have some evidence to the contrary.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:49 | 1764377 HL Shancken
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Scotland Yard has the evidence and it is conclusive that Andrei Lugovoi acted on behalf of the government of Russia when he flew from Moscow to London and administered to Alexander Litvinenko a lethal dose of pollonium 210. The British government issued an official report in this case and called for the extradition of Lugovoi to stand trial for the murder. The facts in this case are clear and well documented and your denial is hollow.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:56 | 1764388 no2foreclosures
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Scotland Yard?  You mean the CIA or Mossad of the limeys?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 04:36 | 1764777 nomoreoil
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Berezovski stated they had 1g of plutonium. Do a search what such amount means, how it is handled and what would be consequences if that was true.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:34 | 1764437 Spirit Of Truth
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Just stick to "donkey".

I ran "The Litvinenko Chronicles" at TFP prior to the Polonium assassination of this key FSB defector by 'former KGB' siloviki. Alexander ("Sasha") Litvinenko revealed that Ayman al Zawahiri was trained by Russia's intelligence services and al Qaeda is a proxy through which Moscow has continued to carry out international terrorism for strategic purposes.  I believe in exposing this Alex sealed his fate since such truth was too sensitive to be put "out there". (Even though the odds of the West figuring out it's being had by the East has always been remote at best. "Western intelligence" remains a profound oxymoron. )

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 03:30 | 1764620 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Putin didn't attack Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya. We will  attack Iran and Syria  no doubt  in the future.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:35 | 1764147 Let them eat iPads
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Putin takes care of Russia first.

When was the last time the US had a leader like that?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:38 | 1764158 Ahmeexnal
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Geronimo. He was fighting for his Apache people.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:14 | 1764282 Schmuck Raker
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+2 makes up for the dweeb that downed you.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:16 | 1764548 Shvanztanz
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Who knew, in 1984, when I was 9, when the thing I feared beyond any bogey man, beyond any devil, beyond lizards from outerspace, were none other than the Russians, who had the god-less intent to incinerate us in our beds or at our school desks in the midst of class with an infinite arsenal of nuclear missiles, and were bent on nothing short of the complete conquest of the earth that now, that 25 years later, more or less, people are openly hailing a Russian autocrat, like he was Ron Paul with a functioning cock, Robin Hood with titanium wolverine claws, night vision eye ball implants, who can see the future and freeze evil in its tracks with a ray gun mounted on the moon.

I mean, if Bob Dylan thought he knew what change was, then he and BHO would both be fanning their faces in a cloud of bewilderment, the day that up became down, left became right and even I didn't have anything else to say.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:03 | 1764244 baby_BLYTHE
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viva la Putin! While not perfect leader, he is one that truly cares about his people.

I dare anyone to deny the progress of the Russian economy under his leadership. Remember he took over at a time Russia was in a state of Total Collapse after the fall of the Union in the early 1990s then the crisis that hit Russia during the Asian crisis in the late 90s.


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:44 | 1764364 DoChenRollingBearing
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"la" Putin?  El Putin if you write in Spanish.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 04:01 | 1764754 Cynical Sidney
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Let them eat iPads, baby_BLYTHE:

putin is the most cunning of dictators, he's down right dangerous. his fsb actively runs clandestine programs, cooperating with crime bosses with backgrounds inside the former kgb structure, together they control a harem of young working girls, pretty fresh faces, who are sent to solicit sex to people who putin deems important. putin currently holds a library of sex videotapes of domestic and international dignitaries, he could easily use which to blackmail the world community. putin needs to be brought to account for his crimes: journalists assassinations, black op false flag operations, apartment bombings, nuclear isotope poisonings etc.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:29 | 1764469 Spirit Of Truth
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viva la Putin! While not perfect leader, he is one that truly cares about his people.

R u people for real?!  Seriously....WTF?!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 02:45 | 1764666 beholder08
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Do you want me to tell you a similar story about 9/11?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 04:54 | 1764785 ZippyDooDah
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"...he is the one that truly cares about his people."

He is the one that truly cares about establishing a new Russian ruling class, to replace the old Communist Party.



Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:50 | 1764379 Western
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I have a nagging feeling Putin is trying to bargain himself entry into the illuminati, he'll send Russia to hell in exchange for that.

A strong russia is a better bargaining chip than a weak russia, da?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 09:32 | 1765217 barkster
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hmmmm. interesting perspective.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:19 | 1764445 G-R-U-N-T
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"Putin takes care of Russia first."

Putin takes care of Putin first you idiot!



Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:42 | 1764493 caconhma
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People. You are full of shit. You know nothing about Russia. You don't know shit you are taking about. You are pathetic.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:13 | 1764853 Raging Debate
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Correct. Putin doesn't jack the simple petty drug trade and other games the little guy plays to make a living. The entire country is one giant mafia but at least they are not jailing the desperate.

As for geopolitics, you always have to watch the Bear even if you don't like it. But the US has been far more aggressive since 1991 and it's hard to say as an American now that Russia is bad and the US is good. They both smell but Russia seems on the ascent based on a brilliant global energy consolidation strategy and the US spent too much on empirical grandstanding bullshit.

I know it is unlikely over the coming decade of turbulence that either country can firm up relations which is too bad. Would love to see more scientific collaboration together which worked well with the space program in the 1990's.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:35 | 1764149 maxw3st
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And the Chauvinism of the West rears its ugly head yet again.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:40 | 1764175 gwar5
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Putin's a fascist who has learned from the US model that military occupation is not required to control a country and it's people. Controlling the money and the debt is all that is required. Economic hit men make that happen. No need to use messy and expensive heavy police state. That's sooo 19th century.



Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:47 | 1764200 LawsofPhysics
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There it is, and at the end of the day Mother Russia is preserved.  I have been to St. Petersburg many times, great people.  Programmed, but great.  Unlike America, there is no diversity only Russians who understand markets and those who don't, in both cases they are Russians first.  Good luck getting that kind of cohesiveness in America.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:11 | 1764276 gwar5
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How are they for political correctness? I think they invented multiculturalism to export to the West to subvert us into destroying ourselves, old school. Brilliant. It worked. 


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:35 | 1764478 G-R-U-N-T
Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:36 | 1764185 Mercury
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I didn't notice any mention  in that

Boston Consulting Group report  of what amount of resources Europe would/should commit to it's own military capabilities  while it restructures it's debts and confiscates private wealth.

Rich, weak, declining nations tend not to coexist peacefully near militarily powerful nations with aggressive leaders.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:46 | 1764199 JB
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Antichrist? Nope. That seat is already taken. It's in a tiny country smack dab in the middle of Rome.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:27 | 1764466 redcorona
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Tel Aviv? 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:17 | 1764866 Raging Debate
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Club of Rome? Roma, Roma why have you left me?!?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:49 | 1764207 michigan independant
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Followed this story since 1984. The middle Kingdom reverse engineers from the motherland so the e of e is my f. Avarice is the issue and is doubletapped if not compliant. Wake up.... Follow the money and the CCP needs to clean up a few internal loose ends in the military. Tech is the only issue since the motherland's austerity was a ruse the west still needs to understand. The US is posed as a nuisance.


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:50 | 1764210 buzzsaw99
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I like Putin.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:48 | 1764514 G-R-U-N-T
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One would have to have no critical faculty to like Putin!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:45 | 1764587 buzzsaw99
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I could write a rather lengthy dissertation about why I like Vlad, or I could just go with Ode to a Pootin'. Which do you prefer?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 09:54 | 1765194 G-R-U-N-T
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No need for a lengthy dissertation, and indeed you are probably much more learned than I, but here's my point.

I believe Putin's authoritarian rule will interfere with the progress that the Russian government will continue Medvedev's economic path to political and economic freedom. I fear the Russian people will allow an image of authoritarian rule to prevail over their own ability break the chains of subjugation that they so desperately need.

What do you think?



Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:58 | 1764602 Sokhmate
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In the length of my entire higher education, I haven't met a single faculty worth my student loans. Huge bummer.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:09 | 2306006 jaffa
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Eurasia was the host of many modern civilizations, including those based in Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley. Jared Diamond, in his book Guns, Germs and Steel, credits Eurasia's dominance in world history to the unique east west extent of Eurasia and its climate zones, and the availability of Eurasian animals and plants suitable for domestication. Thanks.
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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 02:02 | 1764605 buzzsaw99
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Too late, now you get both:

It makes sense that Russia and China should have strategic and economic ties. The obvious being geography and mutual trade. The other is a balance of power. The usa banking, military industrial complex, and political apparatus has become too powerful. They answer to no-one, they dictate officiously. While the cold war was going on an alliance between china and the usa was sought to balance out the rise of soviet military strength. With the collapse of the ussr a vacuum was left behind. That environment is a breeding ground for corruption and bullying, world domination. Vlad the bad plus China makes the asian continent the perfect counterbalance to usa over-reach and arrogance. USA bankers and billionaires in particular must be brought to heel. In that struggle I consider putin my ally in much the same way the russians admired reagan toward the end of the cold war. Do not be blinded by nationalism, your foes are within your own country.

Ode to a Pootin'

Rootin' tootin' Pootin bares his chest

As far as Ruskies go, he's the best

I don't fear him in the least

For Vladimir P. is a sexy beast!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:22 | 1764876 Raging Debate
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I can agree with your general sentiment but one of these two men still has a penchent for revenge. I don't think Putin's chess game is going to be remembered fondly by the end of the decade.

Either way, if one picks sides expect to be used as Bantha Fodder of the titans. God and country come after you know your family is safe.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:05 | 1765271 G-R-U-N-T
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Good point, however what about the people that allow themselves to be constrained under such a rule?

It is difficult for my mind to wrap around one'e willingness (which is questionable in terms of the individual) to live under another s image suppressing their rights and allowing one to have total power over them.

What is it that allows one to be enslaved by an image who's motive is to have power over them, have power over what they think, what they do, what they are to believe? This is what pisses me off about dictatorial rule and a slave society.



Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:51 | 1764211 Aeonios
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The fall of the USSR in 1991 sure as hell was not peaceful. Ask Jim Rogers, he was there.

And for that matter, what do you expect to come out of the SovieZoneTM? I mean seriously. We've seen this how many times already?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:55 | 1764230 ricocyb13
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Forget Bloomberg and CN-BS.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:57 | 1764236 CrashisOptimistic
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Russia is about 10 million barrels per day and frankly, it's not about anything else.  They are DESPERATE to keep that flow rate up in fields that have been pumping for 50 years.

They are so desperate they are now going to try above the arctic circle, and there is probably not much there.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:14 | 1764431 Strelok
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They are so desperate they are now going to try above the arctic circle, and there is probably not much there.

I'm pretty sure I recently read an article that cited a recent oil discovery above the arctic circle.  I think it was suppose to hold nearly 1/3 of the world's known reserves.  I, or the article, could of course be wrong though...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:47 | 1764508 CrashisOptimistic
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You're referring to the Kara Sea.  

It's all natural gas.  Not much oil.  There is a monumental amount of deception in the industry going on.  They have invented the unit BOE, Barrels of Oil Equivalent.  That's natural gas and natural gas liquids like ethane, butane and propane.

Those don't go into a refinery to make gasoline or diesel.  They don't make the world operate.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:59 | 1764237 Mugatu
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Eurasian Union will decrease the Russian Vodka/potato price spread and could result in an increase in fat ankles of Russian women.  Russia will also own a virtual monopoly in Radioactive exclusion zones and thus will control the growing radioactive tourism market for the next few years (especially once Japan cleans up Fukushima).

Take it from me - the inventor of the Piano Necktie!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:45 | 1764586 LudwigVon
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Mugatu, you did not invent the Piano Necktie, you invented the Piano Key Necktie! Now go about drinking your Latte w/o all that gassy foam!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:48 | 1764944 Mugatu
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Ludwig!  Silence Peon!  Learn to read - no one said "invent".  Get a computer with something other than Windows 98 on it and you might be able to read the type.  

These damn Classcal Music Composers have such big heads!  I'd prefer "Frankie goes to Hollywood" over Beethoven.  Fucking Germans always telling everyone what to do.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 09:06 | 1765115 Mugatu
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I will admit I forgot the "key" part though - an honest mistake while I was plotting to kill the Claymation dude.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:59 | 1764238 HL Shancken
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Russia's Internet Revolution




Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s article in the Oct. 3 Izvestia, titled “A New Integration Project for Eurasia,” received a spontaneous and hostile mass-review. In recent days, the Russian-speaking public has registered its distrust and dislike of the new policy by responding (on the Internet) to Putin’s article with a “#” sign, signifying a jail cell (as in Russian usage). In each response there follows a line, “Thanks to Putin….” Thousands upon thousands thank the former KGB officer for bringing back the Soviet Union; for Stalin and Brezhnev’s return; for winter to come and summer to go; for the world to never end and for the world to end. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions by this writing) of Russian speaking internet users have registered their dislike of the Eurasian Integration Project, using a cyrillic hashtag – “#??????????????????.”

Putin is proposing a new “Eurasian Union,” suggestive of a reconstructed Soviet Union. This new formation is supposed to be a free market zone, linking East and West. But the subtext cannot be mistaken. The Kremlin wants to put the Soviet Humpty Dumpty together again. As the Kremlin’s front-man for Soviet regeneration, Putin is announcing a new common economic space for Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. These countries are going to be “integrated,” writes Putin. “The project … is a historic landmark not only for our three countries, but also for all post-Soviet states.” This “project,” will be launched on Jan. 1, 2012. But there is no fanfare. Apparently, nostalgia for the USSR is not what it used to be. And now, the ruble is falling, Libya has slipped away from Moscow, China is not buying natural gas at the Russian asking price, Ukraine has threatened a permanent break – and the totalitarian allies in Syria are barely clinging to life.

“We propose a model of a powerful supranational union capable of becoming one of the poles of the modern world…. First, we are not talking about recreating the Soviet Union,” Putin explained. “It would be naïve to try to restore or copy what is already past….” All the same, millions of Russians don’t believe him. They see a former KGB apparatchik dreaming of new glory days. Everyone remembers how Putin lamented the collapse of the Soviet Union as the “tragedy of the twentieth century.” In this regard Putin’s pose has been, at times, a faint shadow of Hitler’s. He has bemoaned the Soviet Cold War defeat as Hitler bemoaned Germany’s defeat in the First World War. One may detect in Putin a hint of a “stab in the back” myth. As with Hitler’s Germany, Putin’s Russia has embarked upon a rearmament program. And so, this new Eurasian Union, which has the red-brown flavor of a totalitarian revival, reminds us of marching into the Rhineland; perhaps with Anschluss in Ukraine; and with South Ossetia in place of the Polish Corridor. Although it seems that something has misfired in the Russian strategy. The plan is not coming together. The order is given, the policy is announced, and – withering mockery from the Russians themselves.  As leader of Russia, Vladimir Putin is losing traction.

After writing the Izvestia article, Putin addressed Ukraine’s Western course: “What will Ukraine do? Sell a few more liters of milk to Europe?” Putin said that all Ukrainian industries will go bankrupt if Kiev joins the European Union. But the Ukrainian vice prime minister said, in response to Putin, that free cheese only “exists in a mousetrap.” The leader of every country, he added, wants to increase its sphere of influence. So Putin’s rhetoric is easy to read. Ukrainians know that the European market is much bigger than the Russian market. Putin’s rhetoric does not persuade Russians, and it does not persuade Ukraine. The closer to Europe you get, the higher the wages. Compared to this, Putin has nothing to offer. The master strategists in Moscow have lost their leverage. The Kremlin’s representative is no longer believed while the Kremlin’s chief political agent in Ukraine is on trial. Putin makes a presentable offer, but nearly everyone understands the subtext. “We are at the stage of coming out of a crisis,” claims Putin. But the crisis is actually intensifying. The Russian stock market, in the last 55 days, has lost 35 percent.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 02:33 | 1764651 buyingsterling
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Nyquist's overall theory of power politics is interesting. It's buttressed by a number of defectors, including Anatoly Golitsyn, who penned 'New Lies for Old' in 1984, in which he predicted the demise of the Warsaw Pact and even the elimination of the Berlin wall, as acts of grand political theatre. According to Golitsyn and others, since the early 1960s the long range Soviet plan has been to fake incapacity in order to lull the west into complacency. The Soviets realized that western resolve would never crumble if they continued to see the brutal face of communism. A supporting sentiment saw the west sliding into decay on its own.

After the USSR's 'demise', the communist party members in Russia and elsewhere largely moved into new parties. The state has continued to improve its military technology, even in the depths of its dissolution, all well documented by Nyquist and others.

Nyquist is a brilliant thinker, and wrote an incredibly compelling book, 'Origins of the Fourth World War'. The book is written the way Nietzche writes, with single thoughts and ideas separated into small blocks of text. A lot of it is thick and deep, and he writes clearly.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:02 | 1764257 PAPA ROACH
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Putin has watched too many Chuck Norris movies...............

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:05 | 1764264 Caviar Emptor
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Bottom line: we can only fight communism with more fascism. And if there's more fascism that will only fan the flames of communism. So we can trick them into losing by pulling a stunner and going communist with a secret plan to go fascist. 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 04:57 | 1764784 Last_2_Sense
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The old bait and switch, nice! Really though, people get all worked up over the different isim's. Personaly, I don't see any difference, I think it's six one way half a dozen the other. If communisim was brought to America over night and all revenue had to go through the Gov. and then to the leaders of the different sectors of the economy, I'd bet ya it would still go to the same people. Likewise if Fascism was shipped to Russia the players wouldn't change, hell the only real difference is the direction that the money flows, but it still would flow into the same pockets. I'm not 100% sure on this theory me and Old No7 just came up with, but I strongly suspect that the whole fasci-soc-communisim bullshit is meant just to divide the worlds populations. It's the difference between them using some lube, spiting on it, or just ramming it home dry. We are all still gang raped, left on the side of the road, underware turned inside out like a sex crime victim. 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:31 | 1764901 Raging Debate
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Thats funny. How about after defeating both the Soviets and the US citizen with Fascism both nations citizens want Capitalism. The global citizen is weary of the bi-polarity game and externalizing.

Mankind's warts may be highly visible with the Internet mirror but we're all ready to push again for perfection. And we'll get to clinical immortality after this crop of children finish their games which leave 1/3 of us dead.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:07 | 1764269 Market Efficien...
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he is a power play egoist. Expand Russia's macro-economical power empower its corporations in global competition and be rewarded by the most successful ones, once he gets tired of the global power play. His ego-relatedness and absence of responsible diplomacy paired with Russian self-abandonment if necessary in a power play makes him extremely dangerous IMHO.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:13 | 1764279 HL Shancken
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Is Russia Ruled by a Secret Politburo?




It has recently come to light that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is going to run for the presidency of Russia next year. Last March, while visiting Russia, U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden advised Putin not to run. After all, it is beginning to look as if Putin is a dictator. First, Putin is the President of Russia for two terms. Next, Putin becomes prime minister while an apparent stand-in (President Dmitri Medvedev) openly admits that his authority is less than that of Putin. Recently Putin announced his intention to serve another presidential term. We ought to ask if Putin is a dictator? Does he decide everything on his own? The answer to this question was recently given by a retired East European politician.   

During a broadcast of Shuster Live, former Ukrainian President Leonid Kravchuk publicly stated that the real rulers of Russia are “one step above” Prime Minister Putin and President Dmitri Medvedev. “The situation in Russia became such that not one or two people run the country,” Kravchuk explained, “Putin and Medvedev do not determine the future of Russia and the world. Another group determines the policy.”


The other television guests, along with the host (Mr. Shuster), listened attentively to Kravchuk’s explanation. Nobody jumped up to contradict him. He spoke carefully, in a calm voice, sometimes smiling as he spoke. Kravchuk’s manner had the authority of one who knows. The live audience applauded Kravchuk’s statement, which warned that the thinking of the Ukrainian government was mistaken. The Ukrainian government thinks it can build a relationship of friendship with Russia, he said, but there is no friendship. “Russia is ruled not by one or two individuals but by a group of people,” Kravchuk explained. “Russia has not yet identified the names, but this is a real fact.”


The former Ukrainian president noted that his country’s politics had been based upon an illusion for the entire period of Ukraine’s independence. “It doesn’t matter if we call Russia good or bad. It is what it is,” said Kravchuk. “Russia will not change her approach. And it is hardly a democratic approach. One group has been in charge for a long time, there is no real competition between political parties [in Russia], and there are no competing views within civil society. This is the way to totalitarianism.” Kravchuk said that “Russia exploits our weaknesses any way they like.” He added that “Russia will always be what it is….” It is therefore irrelevant whether Putin runs for another term of office, or whether Putin retires. According to Kravchuk,  “If one of those heads [Putin or Medvedev] is taken from the Russian eagle – Russia will still follow the same policy.”


We might ask whether former President Kravchuk is a “conspiracy theorist.” No, he is one of the best-informed East European politicians alive. Kravchuk understood Moscow’s politics so well in times past that he advanced under that system. He became head of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, and was the man who declared Ukraine’s independence, after all. He knows for a “fact” that Putin and Medvedev are part of a larger façade. Russia is still dangerous, he warned his Ukrainian listeners. The personal dictatorship of Putin is a deception. Do not believe what you see. There is not going to be positive change in Russia next year. 


Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kostyantyn Gryshchenko was also a guest on the same program. When Kravchuk was finished, the host of the show, Mr. Shuster, asked the Ukrainian Foreign Minister whether another presidential term for Putin would make any difference.  Ukrainian Foreign Minister Gryshchenko answered that “It doesn’t matter who runs the country [Russia]. We were told [under the Soviet Union] that ‘who is who’ doesn’t matter because Communism will win anyway. But now they understand that they were wrong. Personality matters, specifically when the personality has a mandate from the voters….” As for personalities “selected” by neighboring countries, explained Gryshchenko, “we will have to develop a relationship with such personalities.” Besides this, he added, the Russian people will vote for these personalities.


This cryptic exchange was extraordinary in what it revealed. Sensitive information was being discussed publicly, and discretion was in play. No history lesson was given, no detailed explanation was offered. Now that Putin is running for the presidency, Kravchuk wanted Ukraine to realize that Putin doesn’t matter. Russia’s policy is not going to change. Elections don’t matter in Russia because the real rulers of the country are not the elected rulers. A Politburo-like structure exists at the top, and all decisions are made by it. Ukraine should not put its hopes in Russian democracy. There are elections, of course, but the nominal personalities put forward are the servants of unnamed others.  


In the West, policy-makers should heed Kravchuk’s warning about the Russian system. Moscow is not on a democratic path. Moscow is on a totalitarian path. And furthermore, Putin himself is a placeholder for others.
Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:24 | 1764461 slewie the pi-rat
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let me guess!

the council on foreign relations rules russia too?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 04:55 | 1764787 Treason Season
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If, by the CFR, you mean Rothschild and Rockefeller and Warburg and Schiff and Harriman and etc... you guessed good!

BTW  A good read regarding the above subject is a book titled "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:52 | 1764521 Demologos
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The last two paragraphs sound like the US!  The president is just a placeholder for the Wall Street/Bankster puppet masters.  We have no right to complain about other nation's systems when ours is so effed up.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:55 | 1764597 JOYFUL
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I like Putin.  He's about 10x smarter than the average Western syncophant politician. That's got to be a good thing, even if it makes him a more dangerous adversary. But who's adversary?

I like Nyquist too.  He's good on reminding us of some of the geopolitical realities that haven't changed as much as the controlled media would wish you to believe.  But his knowledge base, for all that, is superficial, and therefore cannot but distort the mirror.

If you agree with Kravchuk(& I do) and want to apply logic to his conclusion, then it's necessary to step back and rethink some of the storyline the west was fed about the rest of the cast.  The secret power behind the Kremlin is not a new phenomena, it in fact has never lost power...for all that Gorbachev or Yeltsin were supposed to have been 'renegades' it's illogical to suppose them any less actors with a script than Putin is made out to be.  So where's the surprise....Moscow on a 'totalitarian path'?  That's news?

Chris Story,  - before his death last year, developed the best appreciation of the whole complex spiders' web reaching back from the fall of the Tsars to the build up of the Nazis to the phony cold war phase and subsequent reinvigoration of the Lenist strategy of controlled demolition of the West.  Even he did not dare to say as much as what he knew, about the DVD, the neverending war against 'the main enemy' by the German power brokers, the oscillating alliances between the Nazis & Sionists, the fascists and communists, the cartels and the labor bosses.  What he did tell was enough to get him killed for the effort. Another journalist too close to the story. 

Fascinating stuff.  The other source necessary to make any kind of sense of all of this intrique is Peter Myers'  - for a look at the factions which have traded and continue to trade power between them in Russia for almost a century.

We know exceedingly little about Russia, and who really runs it - but in truth, the same is true about Amerika...and though both Putin and the current squatter in the WH have both been labelled as anti-christs, that is like equating a Punch&Judy show with Shakesperean tragedy. 

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:24 | 1764310 frank888
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What the West like is rotten, corrupt politicians as ELTSINE was..

With ELTSINE Mikhail Khodorkovsky has been able to buy ( with his partner SOROS ) a Russian oil company worth billions of US$ for few hundred millions...

Thats the normal way to do business for them, so when a "normal" politician ( PUTIN ) got in charge and decided to get back the Russian company stollen ( I think its the correct word ) by Khodorkovsky and Soros, they have started to scream loudly ( especially Soros ).

Screaming relayed through the western usual presstitutes....Putin doesnt respect the private property, the human rights and so on..


Funny !


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:42 | 1764927 Raging Debate
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Thank you for the analysis Frank and your English is perfectly acceptable. This is why I love the European culture, common courtesy.

We're relearning it the hard way out of necessity here in Americs but some humility after thinking we're gods is good.

George Soros has allowed his emotions to get involved in his investments in Eurasia. He will be facing expensive lessons of signing Faustian deals with the devil. But I respect Soros for having the spine to state clearly TBTF must end or no growth globally is possible.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:26 | 1764312 Aeonios
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Speaking of, I seem to have stumbled across a much simpler explanation of the sudden change in power.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:37 | 1764341 reader2010
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USSR/Russia has been played like a voilin. Sorry but the cartel has already had other intentions instead.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:47 | 1764373 q99x2
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CNBC explains what the "FED" is at

They did not mention any association with a cartel, or what their role in the global government is. Like not even a flow chart with Eurasia in it.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:16 | 1764420 anonnn
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A stupidity lesson...

How many readers recall being taught there are 7* continents...and rotely swallowed it...despite the definitions of "continent" which always included the characteristic of being a more-or-less distinct land mass, separable or nearly separable from another land mass.

* N.Am, S.Am,Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica; [or sometimes 6, w/o Antarctica].

Europe and Asia were/are taught as 2 different continents...a legacy of Western European racist mindblock. "Europe" is only an appendage on a far larger landmass, a false construct to allow a feeling of privilege and status. 

"Eurasia" is a sensible, even sane, rendition of the truth of 1 continent.

 Now in 21st century, some Western mapmakers, governments and dictionaries still are loathe to suffer their selfcaused pains of truth.

Gives actual history a bad rap and promotes endless illusions and pseudo-history.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:15 | 1764430 G-R-U-N-T
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I've noticed anti-Putin Russian journalists go missing from time to time...ahh....probably notin'...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 06:26 | 1764826 JOYFUL
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funny thing that!  I've noticed the same thing happening to journalistic opponents of {fill in blank here   .................. according to your political perspective}the last several puppet presidents of the USA...helluva joke huh, pot always callin kettle black!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:43 | 1764498 Paul Bogdanich
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Why does someone have to be doing "deep strategic thinking" to view the Western media as the crap propaganda instrument that it is?  He knows that no matter what he does it will always work against him so why bother with it.  I bet that's about as deep as his thinking goes on that bullshit subject whilst he concerns himself with more valid things like money flows and gross numbers of launchers.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:46 | 1764506 SunBlaster
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Goal #1 before 2020

- Place Moscow friendly presidents in Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan.

- Nationalize gas and oil industry in Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan.

- Delay and eventually cancel Nabucco

- Renegotiate oil/gas exports and transports from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan to route them thru existing Russia bound pipelines

This should secure Kaspian gas and add a great leverage when dealing with EU.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:00 | 1764535 Ragnar24
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It's fitting that Mr. Daly chooses Freud to infer that "there's nothing to see here; move along" because this type of misinformed propaganda was invented by Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays. So let me make this clear, John: A Second Cold War has been under way since former Soviet Republics started joining NATO and encircling Russia.  It escalated with a few "color revolutions" that favored "Western democracy" and it really jumped a couple notches when the US wanted to install its Missile Defense system in Putin's backyard.  So I'd say Putin has made it abundantly clear that this Eurasian Union is his response to what he views as "the United States overstepping its national borders in every way" (Full Spectrum Dominance, p. 20).

So keep referencing Freud's anti-critical thought quips.  I'm sure our own government prefers its people to have such a simpleton view of Russia so future propaganda can be more easily disseminated.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 02:04 | 1764609 Dirt Rat
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Yes, it was a facile analysis. The Russians are still as batshit insane and as arrogant as they ever were. No new news there.

The article also failed to dwell on the most important point of this region's politics-- the pure ethnic hostility between the Russians and the other Slavic and Central Asian tribes. These people have never gotten along. Everyone hates everyone else. It's an ugly, ugly thing, with the Russians always determined to come out on top and everyone else willing to die to make sure it doesn't happen.

Say what you like about the Bolshevik/Soviet era, but at least the Communists put a lid on these sorts of internecine blood-feuds.

After the fall of centralized authority in 1991, the lid came off and everyone went back to quarreling and killing. Putin sees that. He realizes that it's not good for the post-Putin future of the region. And I do think he tries to look at the Big Picture.

So he is now trying to put together this "Eurasian Union," with a strong centralized force, to quell the violence in the area formerly known as the Soviet Union. That he can pick up some extra coin in the process is an added bonus. And that this bloc of loosely federated races would want to compete against outsiders trying to control their mineral wealth is nothing startling.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:20 | 1764553 Milton Waddams
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The downside of a plutocracy?  They  (the plutocrats) eventually get bored with the lifestyle and decide to 'mix things up' for fun and profit.  True story- the take down of the American economy was conceived on a luxury yacht and began with a one dollar bet.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:35 | 1764571 Executioner
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In non-amerikan Soviet Dream, POTUS is PUTIN

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 02:43 | 1764664 Alex Zhyk
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Putin iz a TZAR and this is the only way Russia understands the governance.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 05:11 | 1764795 sbenard
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Premise a) "that Russia has developed a free press of sorts", is just plain WRONG. What is a free press "of sorts"? One that ISN"T -- in REALITY? I think so!

Have we already forgotten that early in Putin's presidency, he sent military forcees into press offices to remove the free press and turn control of them over to his government? Have we forgotten that the press in Russia is a propaganda arm of the Russian government? Have we forgotten that the most dangerous place on the planet to be a reporter is in Russia, and that reporters that criticize Putin consistently end up DEAD? Dozens of them have been killed! There is no true, free, or independent press in Russia, and Russia Today is the propaganda wing of Russia owned and run by Putin's government and targeted at naive Americans and Westerners.

Have we also so soon forgotten that Putin left the economic summit in China to return back to Russia, where he personally directed the invasion of neighboring state Georgia, carving out a trophy for himself? He is hardly a peaceful diplomat!

Have we also so soon forgotten that Putin is now #4 on the list of the world wealthiest people, largely because he has confiscated the wealth of Russian billionaires, and that he has imprisoned his political opponents on fraudulent charges?

It's not merely the fact that Putin is a former KGB officer. It's the fact that he has a history of authoritarianism. There are more KGB officers in Russia today per capita that there were in the old Soviet-era empire! He has a history of tyranny! He has a RECORD!

When you begin with an erroneous premise, you end up with bad analysis and erroneous conclusions. This entire analysis is interesting and worthy of study, but based upon naivette and ignores the reality of who Putin is. In that sense, it is dangerous becuase it dismisses the risk that Putin's return/increase in power guarantees. Ignoring or dismissing that risk only INCREASES that risk havng catastrophic consequences.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:16 | 1764863 JOYFUL
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wow...that's a veritable tsunami of invective against the fellow.

Doubtless some of it will stick, but there's way too much to be broken down and commented upon in the time let me choose the one prong of your multi-pronged offensive I can get to grips with -

Russia Today is the propaganda wing of Russia owned and run by Putin's government and targeted at naive Americans and Westerners

and ask if you would concur that the "free press" aka MSM of the 'west' is targeted at [another subset of] naive Merkicans and Westerners as well? If you credit that observation with some factual basis, I'll gladly credit yours with at least a probability of being true....

if not, then I guess the axe you are grinding is not of the doubleheaded variety, and therefore unlikely to be suitable for the task required of it.  

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:25 | 1764882 Last_2_Sense
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David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany: 

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years."

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world
if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a
world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite
and world bankers is surely preferable to the national
auto-determination practiced in past centuries." 


Hows that for free press in America??  Freak

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:33 | 1765898 Socialism4Ever
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...he personally directed the invasion of neighboring state Georgia...

Despite all the CNN bashing all over ZH it seems that CNN tuned receivers are implanted into many brains here. This is hopeless.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 05:15 | 1764798 sabra1
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i bet he doesn't use a teleprompter!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 05:29 | 1764802 speconomist
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War with Georgia was in 2008, check your facts!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 06:46 | 1764833 no2foreclosures
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You mean after that tie-eating president of Georgia shelled and killed thousands of Russians in disputed parts of Georgia, thinking that any Russian response would be muted by the U.S. and Israeli troops already in Georgia?  And that Putin would be too busy at the Beijing Olympics to make a cell phone call?

How many Americans did the Iraqis, Aghanis, Libyans, etc., etc., etc. shelled and killed?

Oh, I remember now: Saddam was involved with 911 . . . not.  Try elements of the CIA AND Mossad.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 05:45 | 1764808 ciao
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Americans and western liberals won't be shaken out of their manifest destiny trees.   Swinging around like a pack of monkeys that have mainlined on cultural chauvinism.   Russians go for strength, its part of their culture and how they think, why would they give a dam about what and how you think?  Can't stomach them deriding western liberal pussy thoughts?  What are you going to do about it punk?  American Destiny lives in the bed it makes for itself. 

GOP Romney "Corporations are people" says :

“God did not create this country to be a nation of followers,” 

“America is not destined to be one of several equally balanced global powers.” Instead, “the United States should always retain military supremacy.”

As president, he would not “wave the white flag of surrender” but, rather, “devote” himself to building “an American century.”

“The twenty-first century can and must be an American century.” He would “not surrender America’s role in the world. . . . If you do not want America to be the strongest nation on earth, I am not your president.”

Do you see now?  It's all about you isn't it?

As for Putin, after he took office he said Russia wouldn't be ready for democracy until 2040.  Take him at his word or suck the breeze.

As for Lithuanian electric meters, it was barter trade, the Lithuanians shipped out meters and got Ladas or worse back.  Sounds like they had reason to whinge except everyone knows the Baltics are basket cases.  Any new paradigm will only work on commercial terms, and the mistakes are up to them.  Scary isn't it living without clothes?


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:40 | 1764921 Last_2_Sense
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Hey just because Russian soldiers can drink a fifth of cheap vodka and run around the barracks kicking each other in the balls with steel toe boots, doesn't exactly make them "strong". And just because America has a good cross section of peace love'n drum playing pot smokers doesn't excatly make them pussies. Us Yanks may be a little full of ourselves at times, but atleast we have held our empire together.... so far.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 05:56 | 1764812 ivars
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Stalinist/fascist.  he has maneuvred himself into position of power for the next 12 years.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:27 | 1764870 falak pema
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Putin the new russian Oligarch, who marries central state control with crony capitalism and pseudo media liberties; remember what happened to all those maverick, independent, courageous reporters who ended up dead!

But global economic and political trends cannot be neglected. The EU is here to stay, inspite current financial meltdown. Putin proposes the same for Ex-Soviets to form an economic union dominated by RUssia. Russia and the Asian Golden Horde have been interactive and often integrated for centuries. Nothing new there. As China now dominates eastern frontier like a behemoth, Russia needs a politcal horizon to bolster its purely economic integration through RM into EU economy.

The art of diplomacy has always been a balancing act for those who can no longer go it alone in pure HEGEMONY PLAY. 

Putin has learnt his lessons but won't relinquish his absolutist power base that goes back to Peter the Great. It's this, his Achilles heal. As its not west compatible. It cannot inspire trust from new asian countries whose people will be aspiring, one day, to be part of something that is not a master-serf situation. Putin's Russia is condemned to evolve.

Russia's demography is the OTHER long term problem...

As for the Maccho Putin play it has its origins in the despondency of the Russian slavic soul. They like strong leaders since centuries. It goes back to the days of Tartar rule this despondency of soul. The Golden Horde knocked the wind out of poor Russia for centuries; whence the deep atavisitc desire for a strong ruler who makes Russia feel whole again. Napoleon did the same as did Hitler. So each time the nation's soul calls for a strong leader.  Free will is NOT a national trait in russian individuals. Its common national  destiny, their Stolychnaya, it fuels their dreams.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:21 | 1764872 tradewithdave
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This is a problem for Russia as it tends to span the East and West not only geographically but also socially and philosophically.  With the new divorced currency system pivoting on gold via the HKMex, where does this leave Russia?  Picking sides between the Euro and Renminbi in a homogeneous gold market is easy, in a heterogeneous one, not so.  They would probably be better of splitting the country in half for the purpose of fitting into the Occidental/Oriental paradigm... only select oligarchs are allowed.  


Putin's has been winning the P/R battle (along with Al Jaz), but the currency war is long lost and he knows it.


Dave Harrison

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:59 | 1764971 Raging Debate
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Dave - Like the analysis. My entire forecast of WW3 happening is because of the current lack of harmonization between East and West.

Perhaps that what was Putin was speculating on in timeframes (2040) before either the East and West can harmonize financial systems and have trust on a global basis the stewards are't looting the place.

Anyways, the Chinese peg going global will work in the short term but be an epic disaster. And as for the EU they had best begin considering how to defend their own piece of the continent.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 09:13 | 1765131 luigi
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Bright article, very nice, thank you

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