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    The US, in its own decline, is showing this same self-destructive tendency. The worse things get, the greater the inclination of the citizenry to say, “Carry on, everything’s fine.”

Guest Post: Q2 GDP - The Numbers Don't Add Up

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Sat, 07/30/2011 - 12:49 | 1507823 ??
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so what you are saying is that we are being lied to

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:48 | 1507916 DormRoom
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QE2 lead to weaker dollar, boosting exports.  Investment up to improve productivity, so companies wouldn't have to hire people. Also more government involvment.  Slightly explains the GDP boost.


The global market is like a circuit, so there's time delay among the various inputs.  Companies earnings grew largely by diversifying into global markets.  But global market largely depend on US consumers.  US consumer continuing to deleverage as indicated in the consumer component of GDP.  Therefore, as global economy contracts, US earnings will further erode, prompting massive layoffs to maintain profitability.


Markets will correct very very soon.  Global Fiscal stimulus was 2 years ago.  Most of the fiscal stimulus has flowed through world economies. 2 years later bull run looks to be ending.  Coincidence or causation?




Sat, 07/30/2011 - 16:00 | 1508121 LawsofPhysics
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In other words, this is what you get with a world economy that depends on infinite growth on a very finite planet.  Why is no one talking about fundamentally changing our economic and monetary ways.  It will be done for us anyway.  Hedge accordingly.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:56 | 1507937 rambo1028
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Exactly....are your eyes open now? Its all a farce...spread the word....

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 20:59 | 1508580 redpill
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The red pill isn't so bitter if you chase it with a glass of quality absinthe.



Sat, 07/30/2011 - 14:26 | 1507978 DeadFred
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What they don't seem to get is that the lies are part of the problem not the solution. I'm sure they are fudging the data hoping that people will be lulled into making investments and thereby making their false numbers come true, but the lies have been so systematic for so long that now the numbers are ignored and all that's left is uncertainty. Uncertainty makes for a bad investment climate.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 12:50 | 1507825 Archimedes
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Buckle up!

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 12:55 | 1507834 JW n FL
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Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:48 | 1507924 JW n FL
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None of the options being debated by the U.S. Congress can fix the economic situation. Only monetary reform -- a simple solution -- can fix this.



Sat, 07/30/2011 - 14:08 | 1507955 pslater
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JW, thanks so much for the link to the Niall Ferguson interview!

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 14:26 | 1507979 JW n FL
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You dont like Bill Still channeling JFK and killing off the FED and the Debt?

Are you Pro Dick?

give it a try!! You might like it! you dont know until you try? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv2_oex7vg0

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"Knowing that Matt Kibbe scares people, I felt obligated to help him promote his master's new Tea Party book. After all, he was so nice to me."

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Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:00 | 1507841 Conchy Joe
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I believe all these lies are what is eating through the ozone layer and will ultimately cause the worlds oceans to rise several hundred feet.

It's lying at such a historically significant level that (if the country makes it through), we must erect a monument to the event so it is never forgotten.....

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:31 | 1507895 JW n FL
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Drill! Baby!! Drill!!!

How much do the Koch Brothers Pay You?


How fucking stupid are you?

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 19:55 | 1508481 WonderDawg
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Simmer down, JW. Can't you see the sarcasm? Damn, dude, smoke a bone or something.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:01 | 1507848 EFNuttin
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Given a record low labor force participation rate, falling wages, and persistent long-term unemployment, when will we just admit that this is the Second Great Depression?  Working off a huge backlog of consumer and commercial debt will take many years.  If some people would give up on Barbarous Keynesian policies and accept a balanced budget amendment, we could really "eat our peas" and get on with recovery.  We should be standing around in the equivalent of an estate sale for the financial institutions that took on too many "no no loans" (no proof of income, no downpayment), dusting ourselves off, and then cleaning up the mess.  Just as there was no shared sacrifice during the Bush Wars of '01 - '09, there is to be no pain in this Depression as even Obama slashes the taxes that matter to most people - Social Security and Medicare.  The rich are getting richer, but that's not new or news.  The real problem is we aren't being allowed to close the door on pre-'08 so we can move on.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 15:58 | 1508118 Raynja
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the second act of the first great depression was the sovereign debt crisis in 1931.  thanks to the bernank we made it an extra few months enabling more leverage to pile on.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:15 | 1507873 mt paul
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are we going to print 

negative GDP

with second quarter revisions ....

annualized 1st half 2011 GDP

sub freaking 1 % so far...


fork lift long 


Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:15 | 1507874 sangell
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Bearing in mind the problem of GIGO we must also remember economic data is meant to tell a story. In the first half of 2011 the 'story' was QE was a success but with unemployment ticking up it clearly wasn't. With fiscal stimulus waning if not heading into reverse the 'new story' must be the need for additional 'hair of the dog' or QE3.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:29 | 1507892 css1971
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Off topic.

Just tried to donate, didn't work, also had a look at your t-shirts as an alternative, but i'm a FOB & what's left are too small. I guess I could give one away.....

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:43 | 1507912 Sudden Debt
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At least the Chinese are doing well...

It's like all American politicians work for China these days!

Why don't they release army technology to the American industry, the smaller industry that is and let them work new technology to create jobs?

Like GPS for example! It started out as a militairy tool, the industry made it better, and then gave it away to china so you can now buy one for 50$...


Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:55 | 1507934 ArkansasAngie
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All of this is aimed at controlling our animal spirits from throwing the dad gum bums out.

Artifical money creates artifical recoveries.


Sat, 07/30/2011 - 14:13 | 1507960 Caviar Emptor
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Yup. It don't pass the sniff test. 

I agree this is the demarcation of what will be recognized as the next leg down. 

Specifics: Inventory was so aggressively stimulated and built up in 09-10 (without the anticiapted rise in demand) that I think it will take a long time to work through. And an inventory business cycle top is in. Government will provide only a drag for the foreseeable future. Trade: the gap has impoved but only because inventory buildup is completed and imports are tapering. Yes, there has been a mild boost to exports, but the global ecoomy is slowing, this won't be sustainable. Consumers? That's the most contentious issue of all: Wall Street guys want you to beleive that Americans are just as venal as ever, are unconcerned about savings and the economy and will shop till they drop. I say, more and more have dropped and keep dropping daily as funds run out or savings increase or both. Unemployment is clearly on the uptick again (!) and wages are still negative in real terms and will stay negative (I think it gets worse). 

Big picture: What I have called "The Downsizing of America" continues. This is just the next installment. You ain't seen nothing yet. 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 20:00 | 1508493 WonderDawg
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That's about as succinctly as I've seen it said. Couldn't agree more, CE. The next leg down is going to be epic.


Sat, 07/30/2011 - 14:52 | 1508022 midtowng
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the question is: when they finally revise Q2 down to negative, will this cause the stock market to fall? Or will it simply anticipate QE3 or QE4?

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 16:37 | 1508167 Sudden Debt
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It might even allow them to "go all in" with QE3 and do one that is up to 7 trillion dollars big.

That was the amount actually needed in QE2 if it where to mean anything. QE2 was to small.

AND SUDDENLY: They'll have over 9 trillion in bonds, forfeit on it and America is saved again! Unless "suddenly" nobody wants dollars anymore by then...

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 15:12 | 1508058 Tense INDIAN
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i think they dont really care about these numbers...they have planned it long time back what numbers to be reported ...

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 18:14 | 1508293 the producers
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Reality may catch up to American politics and the American voter one day.

Until then, manufactured and real crises continue to distract from the ongoing transfer of default risk.



Sun, 07/31/2011 - 13:54 | 1510064 rrrr
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You and your parents and grandparents have allowed a system of government to become established in which persons seeking positions of power suffer no negative consequences for knowingly telling untruths, and now you are surprised that it now consists of liars?

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