Guest Post: A Raging Case Of Bailout Fatigue

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Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:01 | 1643392 Highrev
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Market Ticker Heightened Scrutiny Alert in forum [Bulletins]

The TOS prohibits partisan sniping and similar except in three specific subareas, all of which are explicitly labeled for political content.

Given where Tickercon is, the stupidity being displayed by both political parties here (and all of them in the world in general) and my generally-foul mood resulting from the fact that the world appears to be about a day and a half from going off a cliff that we may not recover from, I will make this crystal clear:

If you violate the TOS in this fashion and I see it or it gets flagged you will permanently lose posting access in the area(s) in question. There will be no warnings, second chances, ifs, ands or buts and if you protest my decision - anywhere on the forum or even in private message you'll lose your account.

This warning is perpetual and will remain in effect until I decide to lighten up. The way events in the world are transpiring these days you can count on that happening sometime after the Second Coming of Jesus.

In short I'm tired of the crap; it is not only against the rules you explicitly agreed to it is corrosive to progress and evidences a juvenile inability to reason and debate.

Everyone here is presumed to be an adult.

Either act like an adult or take your discourse over to Daily Kos.

By the way, for those who haven't figured it out yet my intolerance for juvenile behavior is not limited to political snipes.

If Karl feels this way, I reserve the right to be wrong.

(Granted, there are two issues there that he's talking about. Don't know for the life of me why his site attracts so many plants and shills. But that's the secondary point he's making. I think it's the primary point that makes you stop and think.)

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:27 | 1643504 Lord Welligton
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This warning is perpetual and will remain in effect until I decide to lighten up. The way events in the world are transpiring these days you can count on that happening sometime after the Second Coming of Jesus.

And he didn't mention anal intercourse once?

Are you sure it's Karl?

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:35 | 1643526 spongeBOB
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Or "Ocular Penetration" ! 

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:56 | 1643600 Lord Welligton
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Ocular Penetration.

Indeed.

I was very touched by this passionate speech on the subject in Congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8n-xvYETg

 

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 17:19 | 1643654 whstlblwr
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How is it different from all other Karl rants. Do opposite of what he is doing and you will make money.

What I want to know from Bailout Fatigue article, we know banks paid back Fed loans. No one talk about how they did it, taxpayer expense. Look at gas today.

People who visit blog, get to work, send this out on tweet, talk about on facebook.

Talk about Fed lending money to banks at no interest, inflating stock market, inflating food, inflating gas.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:04 | 1643413 Clorox Cowboy
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Where is the hacker community?  I'm issuing a call to Anonymous, Lulzsec, whoever...to prove you're not really a govt psyop by getting us some Federal Reserve emails, some damning DoD evidence...anything really besides dicking around with Sony's online gaming community.  Please...grow some balls and take on the beast itself.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:07 | 1643429 Clorox Cowboy
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And no, defacing their websites or using DDoS attacks will not suffice!!  We're getting down to the end-game so how about stepping it up and getting the people some actual EVIDENCE of SERIOUS govt/financial dirt-baggery that will finally break through the bad-news fatigue and get Americans out in the streets.  I'm calling you guys out as a bunch of third-rate, amateur geeks if you can't pull off something bigger than the pathetic hijinks we've seen so far.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:16 | 1643466 SheepDog-One
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Yep, hacking online gamers accounts or putting a clown face on the SEC website is bullshit....lets see you big hackers pull down some HFT computers or something like that. Make yourselves useful, slackers.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:25 | 1643499 Clorox Cowboy
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Or Wikileaks with their "nuclear option" that they'll release if they feel threatened.  Release it already!  People are dying around the world because of our "leaders".  So if this information is so powerful (I'm thinking some 9/11 false flag memos?), let it out so people have a reason to get angry enough at their governments and the banks to end this charade!  If you have the ability to do something REAL about the situation and all you do is play kids games then you're as bad as TPTB!

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 17:12 | 1643640 MachoMan
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If they want to do a denial of service attack that would likely get people in the streets demanding change, then wait til the first of the month and jam up SS, SNAP, et al...  of course, the only change that would happen is more internet controls, crackdowns on anyone that knows how to use a computer, and an extra helping of entitlements to go along for their trouble (whether wanted or not).

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:21 | 1643482 pods
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Sorry to break it to you.  All this information IS out there.  People are not in the streets.

People will NEVER be in the streets to protest the FED.  

Why would they?  The FED allows most to live above their means.

Self deception is what keeps this place glued together.  (See CDs dissertations on that)

There could be a video of the members of the NY FED eating a baby at a meeting and nobody would give a shit.  

NOBODY wants to know about all the icky stuff going on.  Well, almost nobody.

Us crazies do, but realize that this is a war you cannot win by protest.  You withdraw from the system.

pods

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:31 | 1643514 Highrev
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I seriously agree that the best advice one can give (besides balance portfolio money management) is to progressivly get off of the grid (as much as you can given your particular situation), and it's not an all or nothing proposition: every little bit counts and you can do it little by little.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:34 | 1643522 Clorox Cowboy
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Agreed, I split my time between self-sufficiency planning and hoping that somebody with some mad computer hacking skills will let the truth out.  I feel bad for people who don't know enough to prepare and I think they deserve a reason for striking back before it's too late (for them personally...it's already too late for the system).

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:36 | 1643528 pods
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Agreed.  I am off credit.  Garden, PMs, semi-pms, etc.  Bug out spot that is (semi) secure, water.   

All one can do.  The system will collapse on its own.  

pods

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 19:40 | 1644046 Gohn Galt
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Outstanding, I thought so.  Me too.  Oh and by the way for everyone else, for the ones who stood up during the abuses of 9/11 or before, you were detained, joined the government in some way or you were destroyed, your family too if he first steps didn't work.  A small number is unaccounted for.

As far as the self sufficiency, I have a had a lot of progress in smaller communities, church, shelters where people have time and some land but little money or hope.  And of course myself.

Reach out for me if you need help, I will do what I can.  Anonymously on hushmail.  Is there a Zerohedge anonymous message system in the works?

 

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:32 | 1643517 Clorox Cowboy
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There could be a video of the members of the NY FED eating a baby at a meeting and nobody would give a shit.  

 

But that's where you're wrong...release an email from Benny to Barry saying something like "of course QE3 would never work, but it's all we can do.  We're pretty much screwed."  or some CIA plans for placing demolition charges in WTC 7 and you will see some anger.  Maybe not enough to end the farce, but release enough of it and the cumulative effect will do the trick.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:42 | 1643560 pods
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Well, there would never be that email, and 99% of the population does not know what QE even is.  Why not?  Cause they don't want to know.

WTC 7?  Do you really think people need to see charges placed to realize how it fell like that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

And when people do act out, the 4th branch of government is there to villify them.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Stack

If you want to do something, stop using credit.  Avoid financing anything on credit.  Simple.  

When you issue debt at interest, the exponential equation will collapse on itself if the debt does not expand exponentially.

Emails will only get rid of Barry or Ben.  The system does not rely upon individuals to survive.  It does not need to. It relies on the human emotions of greed, fear, and self-preservation.

pods

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:48 | 1643575 Clorox Cowboy
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So you're telling me taking down Sony for 5 minutes is the best we can hope for...that's sad.  If our IT infrastructure is as vulnerable as certain reports would indicate, then let's see something bigger.  Don't ask me what...I shouldn't have to come up with the game plan, I'm just saying the preceding actions are a waste of time...may as well just stick to playing Warcraft.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 17:11 | 1643638 pods
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No, what I am saying is that there will never be that one piece of information that makes people "get it."

I went through that phase. Tried to connect all the dots so people would just get it.

One day I realized that people just do not want to get it.  If the defense mechanisms are internal, it is up to them to take them on.  And that is not about information.

I also realized that by withdrawing from their system, it IS doing something.  Debt enslavement requires you to issue the debt everytime you get a loan.  That you can control.  So that is what I tell people now.

Banks don't lend money.  They let you do it.

So far I have gotten through to probably 4 people who have done something.  It is a start.

pods

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 19:10 | 1643983 American Dreams
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I do not agree pods, to withdraw is fine but this system needs to be brought down.  The grid needs to come down, we do not need to withdraw and hide, we are the thinking ration beings in the room and we need to break the back of this corrupt system.  Rand's dream of withdrawal is lovely, no mistake, but it is unrealistic in our day and age.  Sure we would not be having these lovely chats infront of a faceless monitor but we may just have the very same conversations with our neighbors or family, I love you guys but all the better if this were to vanish.  With a black heart, I say bring it down.

Know your enemy

AD

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 20:33 | 1644149 pods
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Maybe I am misunderstood.  And this might bring the junks, but I have never read atlas shrugged, nor do I hold Rand in particular regard.

I only have withdrawn from the self-enslavement part of society.  Credit snares us.  And we allow it.  

I also share all my (limited) knowledge with others freely, give away proceeds of my garden as well as start extra seedlings each spring to help others gain a bit of information about where food comes from.

I have always stayed pretty close to the land, and was really surprised at just how ignorant most in society are when it comes to food.

I am withdrawing TO bring this thing down.  I learned that by avoiding credit, it will bring the system down.

In 2008 private credit expansion started to roll over.  Look at the fun that caused.  Now the FED.gov has stepped in to keep credit expanding.  When they can no longer expand (close now), the thing goes boom.  Nothing the can do about it.

I think that this place is valuable, and if we were all face to face it might not be too much fun with the outlooks and collective knowledge we have.  And the provocateurs would also be there too, egging us on to be the next extremist to be filleted on the news.

I have also started the long journey into knowledge of the law.  To discover if there really is anything to the real splinter in my mind, are we true sovereigns, or are we acting in a trust under corporate law?

pods

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:33 | 1654769 BayAreaAlan
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Perhaps the reason you do not hold Rand is exactly because you have not read _Atlas Shrugged_.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:22 | 1643484 fyrebird
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Nice. The problem is, Anon could breach the Fed in all three holes, dig up more dirt on their fraud than you can read out loud in a year, and still not reach anyone in the peanut gallery.

The Fed is invisible. You cannot see it even if you are looking at it. The Fed is cloaked with scary shit like monetary policy and forex. And boring shit like ZIRP. People do worse than glaze over when confronted with Fed reality; their brains freeze up. On teh noes tis maths! Fuck me but don't let me see teh maths! I iz will essplodings!!11!

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:38 | 1643538 Clorox Cowboy
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Then as I said earlier...don't give them the math.  Just dig up some dirty emails or cables that are in plain English...I can't believe there's NOTHING like that floating around out there.  Nixon was stupid enough to make the Watergate tapes...you can't tell me Odumbo, Dubya or Bernankenstein are any smarter.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:45 | 1643540 Clorox Cowboy
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Sorry, dup.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:45 | 1643546 Clorox Cowboy
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Dup again.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:45 | 1643553 Clorox Cowboy
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Dup #3...my machine basically sucks.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:42 | 1643555 Clampit
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Caution: The Fed may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds. 

The Fed contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at. 

Do not use The Fed on concrete. 

Discontinue use of The Fed if any of the following occurs:

itching

vertigo

dizziness

tingling in extremities

loss of balance or coordination

slurred speech

temporary blindness

profuse sweating

or heart palpitations.

If The Fed begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.

Ingredients of The Fed include an unknown glowing green substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space. 

Do not taunt The Fed.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:47 | 1643570 pods
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You forgot:

The condition known as "hotdog finger"

and demonic possession.

And the ever present line:

DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING.

pods

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:12 | 1643439 jekyll island
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I think Ron Paul needs to convene another secret meeting on Jekyll Island to undo the damage that was done by the first group 100 years ago.  The Fed can give away over $1 Trillion and expect that nobody should question it?  We clearly have lost control of our government and the quasigoverment agencies that have been spawned to support it.

 

 

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:18 | 1643472 Leopold B. Scotch
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Time to buy those guns I've been putting off buying.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:23 | 1643493 SheepDog-One
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Thats it, youre grounded again Butters.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:11 | 1643440 Belarus
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What's new, these guys are so brazen that they think they can get away with anything they want--and they do, although it doesn't mean they win their futile battle. And anyone that beleives they aren't pulling out all the stops to prpp up the markets via connect the dots from Ben to HFT land still's believes in the tooth fairy. 

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:18 | 1643474 Dr. Richard Head
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They are indeed pulling out all of the stops, but the problem is a population that continues to scream to Washington to DO SOMETHING.  I am no fan of Paul Ryan, but his recent town hall had protestors screaming at Paul "Where are the jobs?!?!  When are you going to do something about jobs?!?!?!"

As long as the mentality of the main population consists of the ideas that Congress has the ability to do something, bailouts will continue and the Fantasy Football leagues will play on. The bailouts will continue as Congress will then be able to say, "See????  We are doing something."

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:20 | 1643478 Belarus
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....don't forget that "other" category on the Federal Reserve balance sheet, of which no one knows what the fuck they've done with it. Calls on ES more than likely on those days where the market really needs it or not. 

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:15 | 1643447 fyrebird
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It's not fatigue as such. It's raw terror. People want things to get better -- to go back to how they were -- and will stand in the street like deer in the headlights if there is any way or chance that things can go back. Pay the Wall Street bonuses, if those fuckers can con the world into buying our debt. Build the roads to nowhere, if it means WalMart can roll the goods fifty cents cheaper for another month. Invade Europe, burn the ME, nuke China. No skip that, we need China. Nuke Canada. Whatever it takes to create the illusion that hard decisions are being made at someone else's expense so that hapless Americans can focus on important shit like football (not that other kind, real football with shoulder pads and concussions.)

The Bernanke is a genius, so long as there are 500 channels on cable TV and another iPad rev every six months.

This is the cost of fear. Or part of it; the full cost is yet to be realized. But give it another year. Or two. You aren't going to recognize the place by then.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:15 | 1643462 stormsailor
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this is a bs rally, you want risk, how about this.  short 50 /es at 1198.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:16 | 1643467 blunderdog
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I think in general there's just no way to come to terms with any of this.  A lot of people's lives were totally shitty back in '06.  So now after trillions of dollars of theft, their lives are...totally shitty.

If our wealthiest corporations and individuals can steal trillions of dollars and it has little *immediate* impact on most people's lives, what's another trillion or two here and there?

Coupled with the fact that most human beings will *never* have any intuitive and reflexive understanding of the magnitude of the phrase "trillion dollars," and I think it's easy to understand why this sort of news doesn't attract much attention.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:22 | 1643488 SheepDog-One
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Theyre making damn sure theres no way out, look what theyre doing in Europe. Same thing here, when it all suddenly collapses, the only answer will be under a world govt body lending out 1 currency. 

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:24 | 1643495 fyrebird
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Yeah that's bad. The bankers would have shit for arbitrage.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:26 | 1643503 SheepDog-One
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Who cares when you completely control all the worlds assets with an iron fist?

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:37 | 1643535 Hook Line and S...
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That's definitely the plan. Still, it exludes the knowledge that Wills always compete with each other. We'll see how well this works out for them. Lots of pain and death in the process. These oligarchs are the detritus of humanity.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:35 | 1643523 JW n FL
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All of this might conceivably make citizens revolt against an entity that uses their money to secretly fund the “Wall Street aristocracy.” It might make them vote for a Gary Johnson or a Ron Paul, someone who favors dismantling the Fed. Or not. When a story as big as this one generates a bare minimum of media coverage, you know it’s probably headed for that huge waste bin in the corner of the parking lot.

I want to know how many innocent people will need to be hurt.. (Think Camping on Wall Street and the like) before real men get involved and bring this bullshit to an end?

what does it take to get everyone up? and committed to a plan of action that dethrones the Wall Street Lobby Whores along with the whole apparatus that keeps this cluster fucking "We the People" in place.

 

When will enough be enough?

How many innocent people will be hurt? before popular opinion stays the same because of the Corporate owned media keeping the attention of the nation on some wanna be feel good story all the while the same people that own the media outlets are out robbing "We the People" blind?

 

Austerity! thats what we need!

the fact that the Manufacturing Base was shipped off to a foreign Country and the Corporations Lobbied their way into it all with Tax Breaks!!

Our entire manufacturing base and a HUGE amount of our tax base.. GONE! POOF!! Disappeared!! for some lobby dollars!

The leaders! voted into power! voted to GUT! America!

All in favor of a service economy! say Aye!

Fucking idiots! and in the same breath will sell the sheep tax breaks for the Job Creators! LOL!!

I honestly had always hoped people were just smarter than all this.. that I was one of the less informed and therefore the end result would be better than I could have imagined.. WRONG!

 

Obama is a Lobby Whore! just like all the others before him.. save JFK who already had billions, maybe JFK wanted to much money for his services because he understood the value of his reach.. or maybe he watched superman cartoons to, too much and really believed that he could fight the forces of evil without a Secret Service Stand Down.

 

Whatever! Let's just pray for Austerity like that in Michigan.. who will have jobless, hungry people looking for ways to feed their families. Let's hope you dont live in Michigan! because the crime rate there is about to go up! people killing people over McDonalds Hamburger money! GREAT IDEA!!

 

And for all of you cowards living in the woods sitting back and secretly wishing for the City Folk to suffer the onslaught of the darkies! You should be more worried about me knowing that you sat and did nothing and wanted this shit to happen.

 

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 17:29 | 1643665 honestann
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You are so damn right.  The vast majority of humans are such abject failures, it is difficult to find words strong enough to describe.  As you imply, even a extremely tiny percentage of mankind could completely erase the predators-that-be from existence, but for some reason they cannot organize or collaborate [effectively]... perhaps because too many accept delusions like "we can fix this by working within THEIR system - as judged by THEIR co-conspirator justice-departments and courts".

I am so disgusted that I suspect our only hope is to develop a "new frontier" somewhere - a place that acts like the americas of the 1500s ~ 1800s where alert, honest, competent, self-confident people can go their own way and work without the deadweight of predators-gone-wild and their supporting parasite-class that keeps them in power via the fraud of voting AKA tacit approval in exchange for [supposed] freebies.

Unless we go the frontier route, the honest beings on this planet better find a way to eliminate the disease destroying [all that is good in] mankind.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 18:31 | 1643868 Kayman
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JW n FL

For the longest time I believed we needed some form of grass roots action to make changes.  But I have now come to believe that the financial criminals and their political whores have shit their own pants and grangrene has set in.

Sitting back, reducing your footprint while their gangrenous asses rot off is the best plan.   In fact, watching the mad scramble to patch up the day-to-day crises is entertaining.

Let the paper tigers fuck around manipulating prices.  In the end when all real investors/people get off the carousel the game ends.

Food, clothing, shelter, friends and family.  All the rest of it is an optional extra. And salty Russian fish eggs can't hold a candle to home-made antipasto.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 18:38 | 1643894 Helix6
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Re: "Let the paper tigers fuck around manipulating prices.  In the end when all real investors/people get off the carousel the game ends."

Nope.  That's when the SWAT teams come out and take whatever property you have left.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 21:33 | 1644416 GCT
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JW the answer you seek will not come until people cannot afford to feed themselves and their famlies.  Look around several investors and economists were predicting these problems back in 2007 including the lehman brothers and the housing crash.  Did people care not really as they were unaffected.  Although millions are affected with housing, they know they can walk away and still feed their families.  People are basically greedy and want to keep up with the Joneses.  The only people protesting really are union folks.  Why because they are fricking greedy like the rest.  They want more and will get more mark my word.

I wish I could give you the answer you seek but currently the sheeple of the USA are for the most part content with the exception of fuel prices.  Now if the economy does not turn around you may see riots. They will disorganized and mostly will be looters and be put down quickly.  The middle class will actually have to rise up for something to really happen.  I do not see this happening in my lifetime but then I am an ole fart.   

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 22:37 | 1644619 jekyll island
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Just for clarity, our manufacturing base has not fallen significantly but we have lost tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs.  Efficiency has improved and automation has replaced many of the jobs workers used to do, so production has not fallen significantly even with the loss of so many jobs.  Ironically, automation may be our best strategy to compete with China.  Robots do not call in sick and can work 24/7.  Wouldn't it be ironic if China started losing plants to the US because we could do it cheaper than their suppressed wage scale workers?  

We are in transition into a new economy.  If your measuring stick is manufacturing jobs then you will be misguided, the market for nonskilled labor is drying up, only reason China is not experiencing this is because they force their citizens to accept standards of living we would never tolerate.  Sad but true for US blue collar worker.  New manufacturing plants will replace 1000 employees with 50 and have same production.  That is the new reality.   

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 09:34 | 1645731 TwoHoot
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<< We are in transition into a new economy. >>

I may have a spontaneous orgasm! Somebody else gets it! I may only read HeadSack avitars from now on.

During the transition from the Agricultural age to the Industrial Age, Agricultural employment went from 98% of the workforce to 2% and Agricultural production INCREASED several orders of magnitude.

Look for the same to happen as the Industrial Age ends, ushering in the Information Age where Knowledge is wealth.

Cordially,

TwoHoot

 

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 16:40 | 1643547 buzzsaw99
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I for one welcome our alien lizard overlords.

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