Guest Post: The Realities Of Choosing Your Survival Retreat Location

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt Market

The Realities Of Choosing Your Survival Retreat Location

Unfortunately, having a ‘Plan B’ just isn’t the modern American way.  The great and diabolical misfortune of having two to three solid generations of assumed prosperity in one’s culture is the side-effect it has of lulling the populace into comfortable apathy.  “Prepping” becomes a kind of novelty; a lifestyle that people joke about while planning out their next vacation or their next suburban home purchase.  It’s something that others consider in that fleeting moment in front of the television while witnessing the news of a catastrophe on the other side of the world, only to be forgotten minutes after changing the channel.  Such things do not happen here.  Not in the United States…

I am a child of an age laden with illusory wealth, and have benefitted (for a short time at least) from the financial fakery of our economic system, as have many Americans.  Most of us have not had to suffer through the unmitigated poverty, hopelessness, and relentless fear that are pervasive in harsher days.  All our problems could be cured with money, especially government money, and as long as the greenbacks were flowing, we didn’t care where they came from.  Ultimately, though, the ease of our well-to-do welfare kingdom has set us up for a cultural failure of epic proportions.  Anytime a society allows itself to be conditioned with dependency, its fate is sealed.  

We do not know what crisis really is.  Many Americans barely have an inkling of what it entails.  We imagine it, in films, in books, and in our own minds, but the fantasy is almost numbing.  We lose sight of the tangible grating salty rawness of the worst of things, while imagining ourselves to be “aware”.  Most people today are like newborns playing merrily in a pit of wolves.      

Preppers, on the other hand, are those who seek to understand what the rest of the public goes out of its way to ignore.  They embrace the reality and inevitability of disaster, and suddenly, like magic, they are able to see its oncoming potential where others cannot (or will not).  The price they pay for this extended vision, however, is high… 

I see the prepper generation as a generation of sacrifice; men and women who must endure the collapse of the façade for the sake of an honorable future society they may not live to experience.  Modern day Cassandras?  Hopefully not.  But, certainly a group of people who have lost much in the path to knowledge.  We lose our blissful naivety.  That which once easily entertained us becomes banal and meaningless.  We set aside many of our dreams to make room for the private and public battle we must wage for the truth.  And, in the early days of our awakening, we tend to lose sleep.

The primary advantage of this otherwise complex life is actually simple:  we have a ‘Plan B’.

Independence, self sustainability, true community, and redundancy in systems; it’s all in a day’s work for the prepper.  But, one thing tends to sit upon our minds above all else, and that subject is ‘home’.  Not necessarily the home where we are, but the home where we will shelter during darker days.  Call it a retreat, call it a bunker, call it whatever you like, but every prepper has to have that place set aside that gives him the utmost advantage while facing off against calamities that normally annihilate average people.

Choosing a retreat can be easy, or so difficult it explodes your brain depending on how you approach it.  The problem I see most often with those seeking a back-up location for a collapse scenario is that they engage the process as if they are still living in 2006, hunting for their McMansion with a view on the sunny hillsides of Colorado or California, instead of thinking in practical terms.  So, to help clarify a more fundamental approach to choosing a survival retreat, here is a list of priorities that cannot be overlooked:

Property Placement

You may be searching for a homestead property or a more discreet retreat area for only the most violent disasters.  In either case, property placement should be your number one concern.  Where is your subject property located?  What are the strengths and weaknesses, economically, socially, and legally, in the state you are considering.  What is the disposition of the government and law enforcement in the county your retreat resides in?  What kind of environment are you surrounding yourself with?  These are all very important issues to consider. 

Even more important, though, are the dynamics of the land you are choosing.  Are you looking for a typical flat piece of developed farmland with easy access to roads and town amenities?  Then you are going about this all wrong.  Are you purchasing a cabin in the woods where you and your family will be isolated and alone?  Again, not very bright. 

The ideal retreat location is a combination of rugged terrain and varied topography that is just accessible enough, and set in proximity to like minded neighbors who will aid each other in the advent of a social implosion. 

It may feel strange to consider it at first, but try to think in terms of an aggressive party:  a looter, a criminal, or just a hungry refugee.  Now, take a second look at your retreat selection.  Is it easy to wander into?  Can a person stroll right up to the front door, or do they really have to spend a lot of time and energy to reach you?  Is it within sight of a major highway?  Is it in the middle of a funnel or valley which people would naturally take to get to a tempting destination?  Is it flat with little cover and concealment, or is it nestled in the midst of hills and crevices which can be used strategically?  How many routes in and out of the region are there?

Crops can be grown in any area with any climate if the correct methods are used.  Energy can be produced with a multitude of technologies and tools.  Structures can be built to adapt to the materials that are most abundant in the region.  However, once you commit to a particular environment and terrain type, you are stuck with it for good.  Choose wisely.

Community Network

As mentioned in the section above, isolation should NOT be the goal here.  The concept of the loan wolf survivalist waiting out the implosion with his family in a secret fortification is not realistic, or likely to work at all.  In the most volatile of collapses, such retreats only offer a tempting target for unsavory characters, from Bosnia to Argentina and beyond.  If you don’t have a community of preppers around you, you have nothing.

Ideally, choosing a retreat location, especially for a homestead in which you will be living on a day to day basis, should be done with multiple families involved.  The more preppers involved, the larger the perimeter of warning and defense, and the safer everyone will be.  It is not enough to have a friend or two on the other side of town, or to have a couple neighbors who are open to the subject of collapse but have made no efforts to prep.  A return to a true community foundation is the surest way to secure your retreat.  There WILL be people who will wish to take what you have in a crisis situation.  Your best bet is to surround yourself with people who already have what they need…

In Montana, I have used the idea of “Land Co-Op Groups”, expanding on the barter networking concept to include helping people of like-mind to meet and find property within proximity of each other, or to choose mutual retreat areas where there will be safety in numbers.  Explore real estate markets near family members who are on the same wavelength.  Talk with existing prepper communities and see if you might work well together.  Form your own group of land seekers and make purchases together, saving money for everyone.  Know who you will be weathering the storm with!


This has been mentioned in previous sections, but let’s establish what defensibility truly involves.  Do the natural features shelter you, or hinder you?  How many lanes of sight are near your retreat and will they work to your advantage, or someone else’s?  Is your homestead on the top of a wide open hill and visible for miles around?  Will attackers exhaust themselves attempting to reach you?  How much warning will you have if someone is approaching your location? 

Make sure your surroundings work for you.  Folds in the land topography not only off greater surface area for your money, but also cover and concealment.  Forget about beautiful views, perfect soil, and room for a gazebo.  Is the retreat actually protecting you or not?  If this single issue is not considered and resolved, nothing else matters. 

This is why I recommend starting from scratch with raw land if possible.  Many people dislike the notion of building their retreat or homestead from the ground up, claiming that there is not enough time, or that the project will be too costly.  This is not necessarily true, especially for those who plan the construction of their retreat around off-grid living strategies.  Raw land purchases, depending on the region, can be highly affordable.  Building using present materials, like native timber, reduces costs drastically.  And, as long as your house plans remain simple, construction can be started and finished within a matter of months. 

When building from scratch on raw land you have chosen using the guidelines already discussed, you can place your living quarters in the most advantageous position for defense, while being able to reinforce the home itself as you go.  For those using an existing structure, the job becomes a bit more difficult.  Additional fortifications will have to be planned carefully to adapt to the framework of the building.  Weak areas of the property will have to be strengthened using fences, walls, or strategically placed vegetation that frustrates approach.  High points in the terrain should be used to establish observation posts.  At every moment of the day or night, someone must be awake to keep an eye on the surroundings.  Respect the realities of a collapse, instead of disregarding them, and your chances of success increase a hundred fold.

Water Availability

Many would place water resources at the very top of this list, and having an ample supply is certainly vital.  Digging a well is a must.  Building in proximity to a stream, river, or lake is even better.  That said, rainwater collection is a viable supplement to weaker indigenous water supply, along with water storage done in advance of any event.  The average adult human being needs approximately 2.5 liters of water per day to survive comfortably.  The common vegetable garden needs around 2” of watering overall per week.  Bathing and general hygiene requires several gallons per week depending on how conservative you are.  It is important to gauge the water production and storage capacity available at your retreat.  If the math does not add up, and if rain collection is not enough to fill the gap, then move on.  Find an area that will sustain you with water, but do not neglect the rest of the items on this list just to be near a roaring river…      

Food Production

This is an area with far more flexibility than most people seem to realize.  With the right methods, a garden can be grown in almost any climate, and at any time of the year, even winter.  Every retreat should be fitted with a greenhouse, and this does not require much expense, or even energy to build.  Makeshift materials often work wonders and the cheapest greenhouses tend to supply as much produce throughout the year as expensive and professionally built models. 

Raised bed gardening is efficient, requiring less water, and producing more food than typical gardens.  Small orchards are possible depending on the climate and elevation of the property.  Wild edibles in the area should be cataloged.  Find out where they grow in abundance, how to cook and prepare them, and which edibles you actually enjoy eating.

Animals require at least some acreage.  Two acres being the minimum if you plan to raise several species.  Goats, chickens, and rabbits are much easier to squeeze into a smaller parcel than cattle or horses, and draw much less attention to your retreat.  A single milk producing cow and a bull, however, have the ability to keep your family healthy and fed for a lifetime.  The trade-off is up to the individual prepper.  The bottom line is, the number of animals you plan to raise determines the amount of open field you will need to clear on your property to provide the grasses and feeding area they will require.

Proximity To National Forest

Another aspect to consider is how close your property is to national forest areas or unclaimed and unpurchased acreage.  Perhaps you are only buying 5 acres of land in a well placed area which borders thousands of acres of forest service.  Not only have you purchased the use of 5 acres, but the potential use of thousands of acres through attrition, while guaranteeing that no unpleasant or unaware neighbors will move in too snug next door.  Abundant resources will be at your fingertips in a post collapse scenario, including timber, wild game, possible minerals, caching sites, secondary retreat locations, etc.  The advantages are numerous…

Secondary Retreat Locations

Never put all your eggs in one basket.  We hear that warning all our lives but few take it to heart the way they should.  I have dealt with many a prepper who has become indignant at the idea of having to leave his home to escape danger, claiming that they would “rather die” than have to beat feet to a secondary location.  I personally don’t get it.  Fighting back is admirable, but fighting smart is better.  There is nothing wrong with living to die another day, and this is where the multiple retreats strategy comes into play. 

Some survivalists live in the city, and have set up a retreat in an area distant but reachable.  Others have taken the plunge and uprooted to start a new life on the grounds of their new refuge, leaving behind the metropolis and sometimes even their high paying jobs.  In either case, they have done far more for their futures than the average American has even vaguely considered.  However, it is not quite enough…

Back-up retreat locations should be chosen in remote areas near your primary retreat, and very few if any people (even friends and associates) should be told about these places.  Keep in mind, these are last ditch survival spots.  They are not ideal for long term living arrangements.  Little if any infrastructure will be built in these places, and all shelter materials should be heavily concealed.  Caching sites should be set up well in advance and placed on at least two separate routes to the same location.  You should have no worries over whether you will be able to feed, clothe, and protect yourself on the way to the emergency site.  Hidden approaches to the area should be scouted ahead of time.  A viable water source should be present nearby.

Thinking Ahead:  It’s Pure Sanity

There are all kinds of excuses for not doing what needs to be done.  Americans have an ingenious knack for rationalizing their own laziness and inaction.  If you want to know how to get ahead in the world of prepping, or just the world in general, all you have to do is become a man or woman who makes a plan, and then follows through on it!  Welcome to the top ten percent!

One excuse that I do in some instances take seriously is the problem of the conflicting family.  We all know a prepper or two whose spouse or children are not on board, ridiculing or even obstructing their efforts.  When expenditures of cash (or large expenditures of cash in the case of a property purchase) are in debate, the tensions can be crippling.  In every disaster there are oblivious masses which make things hard on those who are aware.  From the Great Depression and Weimar Germany, to New Orleans after Katrina, it is not uncommon for people on the verge of starvation and death to still assume that government help is right around the corner and all will be right as rain. 

All I can recommend to those struggling with the survival-impaired is that you educate friends and loved ones on the nature of recent events like Katrina, or the economic collapse in Greece and Spain, or the tsunami and subsequent reactor meltdown in Japan.  Show them that this is real life, not a cartoon.  Make them understand that they are not immune to the tides of catastrophe, and that preparation is not only practical, but essential.

Survivalism is not a product of insanity; it is merely a product of our precarious times.  A disaster is only a disaster for people who are not prepared for it.  The only madness I see before me in our country today is the madness of those who believe themselves immune to the fall of the curtain.  The true “insanity” rests in the minds of men who presume tomorrow will be exactly like today, and that the comfort of their existence is law, a foregone conclusion, set in stone, forever…

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Let them eat iPads's picture

Doomsday Preppers is my favorite new show.


The morons can keep watching Idol.

drink or die's picture

That show is entertaining, but the people themselves are idiots.  Rule #1 is don't tell anyone what you have (similar to fight club, as it's also rule #2).

CommunityStandard's picture


Some of them have the dumbest plans.  Like a foxhole dug beneath the garage?  How is that going to solve your long-term survival needs?

Alea Iactaest's picture

Would it make a difference if I choose the Southern Hemisphere?

"It is no exaggeration to say that the fate of Japan and the whole world depends on No. 4 reactor."
-- Fmr. Japanese Ambassador to Switzerland Mitsuhei Murata to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on March 25, 2012

He is referencing the reactor at Fukushima Daiichi with spent fuel stored 30 meters (about 98 feet) above the ground. The fuel rods are in a concrete pool with 7 meters of water and a tarp covering them. There is no containment structure in place.

There are 1,535 fuel assemblies in the pool reported Phred Dvorak in the Wall Street Journal on May 21, 2012. Each fuel assembly has 50-70 fuel rods. (This means there is a MINIMUM of 76,750 fuel rods if Mr Dvorak's report is correct.)

TEPCO reported on May 25, 2012 that a 3.3cm bulge in the west wall supporting Reactor No. 4 does not pose a threat to the safety of the building or the spent fuel pool. Note, however, that the building suffered a massive hydrogen explosion on March 15, 2011 which resulted in the loss of a steel-reinforced concrete wall.

At the time of the explosion Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency stated that water in the spent fuel pool at the No. 4 reactor building may be boiling. Steam was observed at the time. TEPCO subsequently added steel and concrete support to the spent fuel pool in July of 2011.

There is no nearby secure facility to store these fuel rods. There is a common storage pool at the plant that has room only for an additional 465 rods, according to a May 28, 2012 article in The Asahi Shimbun.

So here we are: the spent fuel pool at Reactor No. 4, holding at least 76,750 fuel rods, is supported by makeshift supports, protected by a temporary sea wall and covered by some water and a tarp. The building which houses No. 4 lacks a major wall but is considered structurally sound.

Retrieval of all melted fuel is expected to take 20 to 25 years and full decommissioning of the four reactors is expected to take at least 30 years.

What could go wrong?

CommunityStandard's picture

This is a good point.  I have a 300 acre farm all ready to run to when the time comes, but it's supposedly close enough to be affected by a nuclear power plant failure.  Makes me wonder if anywhere is truly safe.

gaoptimize's picture

When the cooling ponds go.  It's the ugly monster in the woods there is no defense against.  I'm upwind, but only 11 miles away :(  .  They are our civilization's MAD devices.

AldousHuxley's picture

typical 1st world idiocy.


ask anyone from 3rd world who actually survived countries collapsing and they will they you there isn't much you can do about it except leave the country. Screw years worth supply of water, food, transportation, chaos, military dictators step up and you have martial law vs. revolutionaries supported by foreign powers. aka WAR.


only way to defend yourself is to leave hell.



UP Forester's picture

Yep, the only way is to leave hell.

And, pray tell, where will there not be hell on Earth?

You've got most of the world basing goods on the USD, which will be printed to "fight deflation" until severe inflation, if not outright hyperinflation, takes away the value.  Europe is soon to burst into flames.  A billion starving Chinese, along with the same amount from the Indian subcontinent, will pillage the Asian-Pacific area.

South America is already seeing dictatorial rulers in a lot of the countries and Africa the same, albeit with a little more genocidal bent.  Antarctica isn't very conducive to crops, even with triple-paned UV resistant greenhouses.

Where do you plan to go, Aldous?

Vlad Tepid's picture

So when your house is burning down and the garden hose goes limp, you won't go to your neighbors house because it MIGHT burn down too or because it's burned down in the past?  We're talking about present survival.  

I don't presume to speak for Aldous, but here are a few places that might be better in the long run:  Australia, New Zealand, Costa Rica,Panama, Chile, Peru, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Poland, and dozens of small islands in the Pacific and Caribbean, plus numerous other countries that might not seem so great on the face but that have such weak central gov't that tyranny will never be a problem.

But maybe it's more swashbuckling to pretend that you're a road warrior right up until the point that the SWAT team breaks down you door and takes all your gold/food/property/women and you either A) roll over and give them what they want (the historical response of 90%) or B) (like the other 10%) die immeidately during a meaningless and futile attempt at resistance which will in no way impede anyone from taking your gold/food/property/women.

Dugald's picture

NO NO NO do not come to Australia, we are already overflowing with undesirables, sucking on welfare and breeding like flies.....a future hell on earth, that our Grandchildren will have to deal with...

Dugald's picture

NO NO NO do not come to Australia, we are already overflowing with undesirables, sucking on welfare and breeding like flies.....a future hell on earth, that our Grandchildren will have to deal with...

HungrySeagull's picture

There are places I have seen in this great Country that calls to me.

Sure winters are a bitch with 6 months or more of snow in some of those places.

I have like minded neighbors around me and frankly that will have to be enough where we are.

A forest is good, but clear 100 yards around your home for purposes of defense with rifle/shotgun in addition to minimizing fire risk.

As far as Parks are concerned... there is one spot that I like very much which has everything except a shelter which can be built.

The only issue is that it is located near a National Facility that provides for our Nation and will be quite secure or target.

Some people choose to live near a target knowing they cannot survive in a post disaster hell.

AnAnonymous's picture

Migrations is mostly explained by people following the places' resources.

As third world countries see their resources ship away, so the populations follow.

Same happened(s) for rural exodus.

Comparing a center to the periphery is fundamentally flawed.

steveo77's picture

SAD= species assured destruction

JeffB's picture

You're always upwind?

Shocker's picture

The main idea, is just realize what is going on around you. Acting clueless or not caring is no longer cool.

Thats all pretty much, everyone is getting affected one way or another


AlaricBalth's picture

"In those first years the roads were peopled with refugees shrouded up in their clothing. Wearing masks and goggles, sitting in their rags by the side of the road like ruined aviators. Their barrows heaped with shoddy. Towing wagons or carts. Their eyes bright in their skulls. Creedless shells of men tottering down the causeways like migrants in a feverland. The frailty of everything revealed at last. Old and troubling issues resolved into nothingness and night."   Cormac McCarthy, The Road

akak's picture

God that was one shitty book.

The premise was fascinating, but its execution into "literature" was positively execrable.  Not only was the nature of the devastating worldwide catastrophe in the book never revealed, but it seemed to have the effect of reducing conversation among the book's characters to sporadic monosyllabic gruntings.  Rarely have I come across anything (other than an editorial by Paul Krugman or Bill Kristol) that was as painful to read.

Steverino's picture

yup.. horrible read..


"One Second After" by William Forstchen is a much better read...

Watauga's picture

The Road, by Cormac McCarthy, is among the great works of literature from the new millenium.  The film by the same name was also quite extraordinary, as films go.  McCarthy's book is a one of faith, hope, and joy, and functions on so many layers, or in so many dimensions, that it puts the reader full into the story.

If you want to read his best work, I strongly recommend Blood Meridien and The Border Trilogy (All the Pretty Horses, The Crossing, and Cities of the Plain).  These, when taken with his early years where his fiction was set more in Appalachian America rather than the Southwest, constitute the greatest body of work by an American writer.  While Faulkner, Twain, Hemingway, and Fitzgerald all contributed mightily to the world's literature, none has done it at the level McCarthy has done it at for so many years.  

So, no, The Road is not a horrible read.  It is an extraordinary read, and it is a book that tells us more about life and death and faith and redemption than just about any work in recent memory.  

Finally, I have read and enjoyed on a range of levels One Second After, Enemies, Foreign and Domestic (the trilogy), Lucifer's Hammer, and wide range of other apocalyptic literaure.  This is not what McCarthy was going after.  He was dealing with Man's soul, his faith, and eternity--he was dealing with Man's relationship to this world and to God.  

juangrande's picture

Personally, I like "Suttree", by McCarthy, the best. Some folks on this sight do not appreciate subtle and nuanced approaches to anything. More into straight left brain stuff.

aerojet's picture

Nowhere is truly safe.  The cabin in the woods is not safe.

A Lunatic's picture

Sitting in an air conditioned, cozy bunker filled with like minded individuals and waiting for your drone flying shift to be over seems like it would be pretty safe...............

hamurobby's picture

Have good dogs, skynet is evil.

Does Dominos deliver there? I might be interested.

CynicLaureate's picture

"Bunker is the prepper word for 'coffin'" -- Cork Graham


Henry Hub's picture

The Japanese had a fantastic bunker system on Io Jima during WWII. The U.S. troops simply pumped barrels of gasoline down the tunnels. When they lit the match - instant BBQed Japanese bunker boys! No, bunkers are not the solution.

FeralSerf's picture

When WW3 comes, gasoline will be too precious to waste on such a maneuver.

How well did that tactic work on Okinawa?

mcguire's picture

"nowhere is truly safe" >>>  

"And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” -Revelation 6:15-17


the only way to be safe is with Christ.  all men in that day will have either the mark of the beast or the seal of god.  no perfect prep cabin will help.  

JeffB's picture

I don't see anything wrong with doing some planning, working on various contingencies etc., in fact I think it's a duty to self and family, but you are right that we shouldn't put all of our trust in such preparations. 100 years from now, none of us will be here. or 80? 60? 50? 40?

Another few verses:

And He said to them, Beware, and keep back from covetousness; for one's life is not in the abundance of the things which are his. And He spoke a parable to them, saying, A certain rich man produced well from the land. And he reasoned within himself, saying, What may I do, for I have nowhere I may gather my fruits? And he said, I will do this; I will tear down my barns and I will build larger; and I will gather there all my produce and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take rest, eat, drink, and be glad. But God said to him, Fool! This night they demand your soul from you; and that which you prepared, to whom will it be? So is he treasuring up for himself, and not being rich toward God. And He said to His disciples, Because of this I say to you, Do not be anxious as to your life, what you should eat; nor as to the body, what you should put on. The life is more than the food and the body than the clothing. Consider the ravens, for they do not sow, nor do they reap; to which there is no storehouse or barn, and God feeds them. How much rather you differ from the birds! And who of you by being anxious is able to add one cubit to his stature? Then if you are not able to do even the least, why are you anxious about the rest? Consider the lilies, how they grow: they do not labor, nor do they spin, but I say to you, Not even Solomon in all his glory was clothed as one of these. But if God so dresses the grass, which today is in the field and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much rather you, little-faiths? And you, do not seek what you shall eat, or what you shall drink, and stop being in anxiety. For all the nations of the world seek after these things, and your Father knows that you need these things. But seek the kingdom of God and all these things will be added to you. Stop being afraid, little flock, because your Father was pleased to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions and give alms. Make for yourselves purses that do not grow old, an unfailing treasure in Heaven, where a thief cannot come near, nor moth can corrupt. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Luk 12:15-34)

Lord Koos's picture

Oh Christ, not this crap again.

juangrande's picture

I've been hoping and, yes, praying that Jesus will come ahead with the Rapture. I think taking his followers off of this earth would be a good start to our planets recovery!

FeralSerf's picture

I'm looking forward to the leaders leaving.

Seer's picture

"Makes me wonder if anywhere is truly safe."

I found one place that I had thought was about as safe as one could find.  There's a nearby "lake," a huge one, and a couple of times in the past there had been some minor earthquakes that resulted in small tsunamis.  Really, just when you think you've researched every possible risks (away from large industrial sources; away from any significant military installations; no real earthquake activity; fallout winds were, for the most part, about as good as you could hope for)... a tsunami on a lake!  Of course, I wouldn't have been next to the lake, it was a ways away from where I was looking, but...

I ran out of energy trying to make it there.  Housing/property market went up (I even ran across someone on the Internet who had picked the area for all the same reasons- he'd sold his home in California).

If you have a 300 acre farm I suggest that you get working it NOW.  This isn't a matter of throwing a switch.

Don't do like the author suggests and treat this like it's going to be some "retreat."  It's ALL about venturing on a more sustainable path.  It's about starting new lives.  It's a new "permanent."

mjk0259's picture

300 acre farm is useless without oil unless you just have some animals grazing. Those would be hard to defend.


DaveyJones's picture

permaculture methods work fine with nature's animals. What is needed is practice, knowlege of a wide diversity of edible plants, and people you can trust. Agree that these are skills and data you should start working on now.

Fukushima Sam's picture

I'm sure everything is just fine over at Fukushima.

NotApplicable's picture

Nice of TEPCO to report that as a "massive hydrogen explosion,"  while Arnie Gunderson shows how it had to be the fuel pool in #3 detonating (rather than deflagrating) after likely achieving recriticality.

oldman's picture


Sorry, Alea,

we are full up, but maybe Asia is still open---and the Basque coast is beautiful and the people are SUPER! The Southern hemisphere is full exccept

I believe the waiting list is still open for Argentina, Chile, New Zealand, Australia, and South Africa

Nice cultures and people and great climate

Good luck you are headed in the right direction                    om

laosuwan's picture

Countries in the South Pacific---including Fiji, Tuvalu, Vanuatu and Niue--- are especially susceptible to natural disasters. Cyclones, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, floods, landslides and droughts can have devastating effects, particularly on farmlands.


Vanatu. Good choice there, friend

mjk0259's picture

South Africa? You need an armoured car with flamethrowers on the side now.

OpenThePodBayDoorHAL's picture

Yep I chose the S. Hemisphere. May I suggest you consider the nation of Vanuatu. Abundant food, water, & services, good laws set up by Australia. Freindliest natives, voted "happiest people on Earth". 83 islands, the main one and the capital packed with Aussie and French expats. French bakeries, cheeses, and wines in the stores. No taxes of any kind (apart from sales tax). Broadband internet, cellular, and power that runs 80% on local palm oil. Rocky enough terrain to be above global warming rises, I'm 7 meters above MHWM (mean high water mark) and could go much higher. 2 1/2 hours to Sydney.

C'mon down! Find me in chat of you have questions.

Buck Johnson's picture

You hit it dead on, southern hemisphere is the place to be.  In fact I would love to go to Argentina, Pantagonia would be a great place to set up shop.  Look, I feel that there is a a dark and big problem swimming under the dark oceans of our economy and our environment.  We can't see it, but we know it's there from the waves it makes and the seagulls flying away in mass from spots in this ocean.  We are heading into a very very bad situation and many americans aren't geared for it.  Because we have been turned into adult babies who are coddled and told that it's okay to have everything you want and desire without regard to sacrifice and time to do it.

Preppers is a good show, I like it.  I just think that being a prepper in the US is going to be a very tough thing to be because people in our country (most not all) are mentally and emotionally unstable.

FEDbuster's picture

That was a short term "bug in" plan, if I remeber they had a long term "bug out" location picked out.

BlueCollaredOne's picture

Correct.  Their bugout plan was their boat.

FEDbuster's picture

Didn't they scout out some islands?  Maybe a cache or two?

BlueCollaredOne's picture

Yes to both.

They also were experience fishers, and had devised a way to turn the salt water into fresh water.  I think they were one of the best prepared families on the show. 

UP Forester's picture

My first thought to the boat plan:  WTF happens when they get to the dock, and their boat isn't there?

hamurobby's picture

Leave EARLY. Those who panic first, panic best.