Guest Post: "Russia And China Will Pay A Price"

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics,

Hillary Clinton just made a very memorable statement.

I do not believe that Russia and China are paying any price at all – nothing at all – for standing up on behalf of the Assad regime.  The only way that will change is if every nation represented here directly and urgently makes it clear that Russia and China will pay a price

So — exactly what price must Russia and China pay? Should the United States stop buying the debt they issue to support bloated welfare states and fiscal irresponsibility? Should the United States stop exporting consumer goods that fill their stores, and keep their people fat and happy? No — I do not think it is Russia and China who would “pay” in the case of increased mutual antagonism. I think the United States will pay the greater price.

In any case, Russia denies the premise of her argument.

From RT:

Russia rejects in the strongest possible terms allegations that it supports President Assad in the Syrian conflict. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Moscow and Beijing must ‘pay a price’ for backing Assad.

While I think Russia and China are the thing standing between Syria and another Iraq-style ‘democratisation”, I do not necessarily think Russia and China are doing the wrong thing. While the Assad regime is certainly inhumane and brutal, the rebels that Clinton seems so urgent to support seem little better — at least judging by their attempt to get British journalists killed in the name of propaganda, and their well-known affiliation with global jihadism.

As I noted back in February:

Can we honestly say that committing guns, blood and money to deposing Assad will guarantee peace and stability? Can we honestly say that the next regime might not be worse? I do not believe we can — especially considering that almost every nation involved in the “Arab Spring” has since elected Islamists to power.

Even with the support of the Arab league, is getting entangled into another messy and open-ended conflict in Russia and China’s backyard really a good idea?  Some voices in China are already rumbling that they would be willing to go to war to prevent an American takeover of Iran.

If avoiding nuclear proliferation is our goal, intervention is certainly a bad idea. Qaddafi’s deposition — in stark contrast to nuclear-armed North Korea — was a signpost to rogue regimes that the only way to ensure their survival is to pursue nuclear armaments.

The real question though, is what Hillary Clinton thinks she can achieve through throwing unveiled threats around and destabilising the fragile global system? Is she so fervently committed to expensive and bloody foreign interventionism that she is willing to risk creating a global diplomatic and political crisis in order to get what she wants? How far will she go to force the American agenda? Regional war? Global trade war? World war?

My guess is that her threats are completely hollow.

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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 20:34 | 2593738 john39
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smells like desperation to me.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 20:36 | 2593743 HellFish
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Hillary is the Progressive wife of a sexual predator President.  Nothing more.  What more would you expect from someone with those credentials?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 20:54 | 2593802 JPM Hater001
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Let's be fair... It became unstable when she said yes to bill.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 21:17 | 2593863 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Russia and China are both selling arms to Syria. Who are we kidding? They are making out like bandits! Someone should tell the bitch to just shut up by the way. Disgusting and clueless.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 21:23 | 2593880 markmotive
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Russia and China hold all the cards. They don't have to pay anymore.

What has Empire America paid over the past 30-odd years?

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/06/24/russia-asserting-power-over-the-us/

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 21:46 | 2593930 Peter Pan
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Hillary is intent on playing chess on someone else's chess board using not her daughter  as  a chess piece but some other anonymous daughter or son from Ohio, Detroit, Texas or wherever.

It's not economies and wealth that are at risk but humanity itself.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 22:16 | 2593990 Max Hunter
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That fucking bitch won't be happy until we are all bleeding for Israhell..

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:09 | 2594088 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Max Hunter said:

That fucking bitch won't be happy until we are all bleeding for Israhell..

While I'm not disagreeing with you, I always thought McCain, Lieberman, and Graham were the prancing wargirl bitches.

Hillary is more of a warmongering dick.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:25 | 2594104 Richard Chesler
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It's a big club, and most of them ain't in it.

In Hillary's view, just more peasants.

 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:38 | 2594124 sullymandias
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Hillary == Lady MacBeth

Hillary == Vampire Hell Bitch

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 00:59 | 2594217 TwoShortPlanks
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How to deal with Hillary Clit-non http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTlUfKtXl0

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 01:34 | 2594249 strannick
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Im sure the 'nations there', ie. Europe, would love to make China and Russia 'pay a price'. First they could alienate China, sos to keep China out of European bond markets, then next they could piss off Russia and get their natural gas cut off.

Why are the Clintons still around? Strange to hear the progressive moral relativist making moral pronouncements. Though when you realize it is hypocritical and self serving pap from a sociopathic administration, its less grating.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 01:56 | 2594271 The Monkey
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Jawboning. Somewhere, I've seen this before.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 02:17 | 2594287 The Alarmist
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This is the face of an insane regime bent on condemning a once-great republic to the dust-bin of history.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 04:41 | 2594358 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Hilary has turned the State Dept into just another arm of the Pentagon. She has forgotten that there is supposed to be something that is NOT-WAR and that thing is called DIPLOMACY. That's where you talk to the other side. We already have plenty of people lined up for the KILL THEM part. We need more people lined up for the TALK TO THEM part. We have the Bomber-in-chief with his disgusting little book of people we need to kill because they might do something bad in the future:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13529986/playgoz-movie

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 05:24 | 2594369 bigkahuna
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LOL! military diplomacy is all the neos use. Both the demicriminals and republicons have been doing it steadily for QUITE some time now!!!

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 08:31 | 2594477 francis_sawyer
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Obama to Putin:

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"I'll have a lot more flexibility on [making you pay the price] after the election"

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 09:41 | 2594574 FEDbuster
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Since the military is the only thing backing the dollar as the world's reserve currency, it kinda makes sense.  Desperate people, saying desperate things.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 10:29 | 2594633 Precious
Sat, 07/07/2012 - 11:31 | 2594710 Spirit Of Truth
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Don't worry, you Eurocowards will soon get what you want.  America will be destroyed and Russia and China will dominate the world:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/05/russias-secret-war-plans.html

Then you'll remember what nation was fighting for freedom in this ill-fated world.

 

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 13:04 | 2594910 smiler03
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I think the UN should put out a contract on HC. Poison tipped umbrellas could do it.

Mon, 07/09/2012 - 21:17 | 2597689 Bringin It
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Making threats, generating fear is a necessary component of fiat backed only by military force. 

The big moment comes when declining credibility allows some participant to call the bluff.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 09:52 | 2594595 engineertheeconomy
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Seems like the organized criminal  military-banking complex with their thinly veiled motives are hell bent on installing a central banking system in Iran and Syria. I wonder what Chelsia thinks about her evil fucking cunt mother?

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 14:52 | 2595097 delacroix
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didn't chelsea marry the son of a jew crook?( excuse me.unethical jewish businessman) 

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 09:01 | 2594518 Dugald
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The face that launched a thousand quips........

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:20 | 2594098 Colombian Gringo
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Assad and the Nato Backed Rebels, a plague on both their houses. May they rot in hell and leave us alone.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 08:50 | 2594500 The Alarmist
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I'm trying to think how the average American would feel if the Russians and Chinese had started to arm the Montanna or Michigan militias or if Canada had sent un-announced fighters over the border during the Waco siege, which as close to armed rebellion as the US has come in our lifetimes.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 10:24 | 2594631 knightowl77
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Free guns & bullets....Sounds good to me.....and Waco was no armed rebellion....

 

you and Janet Reno should get together, you'd  be great pals

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 11:31 | 2594713 Precious
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We need this shit about as much as we need jellyfish on the beach.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 16:28 | 2595216 FEDbuster
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If Russia and China start sending arms to liberty lovers (domestic terrorists according to Big Sis), please pm me for a complete wish list.   Let Putin start "walking guns" into Arizona, we love our guns here and our gun laws reflect it.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 11:58 | 2594760 The Alarmist
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That's the point, dude ... Waco was no armed rbellion, but it was ruthlessly supressed, complete with dead women & children in a scene every bit as grisly as those we have seen from Syria, which is fighting a very heavily armed group of rebels. It seems some sovereigns have more freedom to abuse their citizens than others.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 00:46 | 2594194 perchprism
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That fucking bitch won't be happy until we are all bleeding for Israhell..

Aw fuck off, dickhead. This is all about Obama's re-election, and that faggot hates Israel as much as your cocksucking fairy ass does.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 04:46 | 2594361 Zeilschip
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Is it faggot or faggotte when referring to a female? Or am I being too French here?

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 08:47 | 2594493 The Alarmist
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The mere act of being French is already too French.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 06:14 | 2594395 TwoShortPlanks
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You can guage the global economy simply by the Agression Index here on the ZH Blog. Fuckin love it!

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 23:27 | 2595844 Cosimo de Medici
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Funny you should mention that.  While a new member with an account, I've been a reader since early 2009.  I often wonder if the fact that almost all that is left on this site (as commenters) are the loons, wack jobs, wingnuts and the generally unemployable misfits of society is a kind of indicator that the economy might be improving.  Most of the old posters, who resided in the real world and not the world of endless delusional paranoia and its associated anger, have long since abandoned the site, perhaps because they are gainfully employed.  For the rest, save for a rare few, Zerohedge is a Day Care Center for the forlorn, hopeless and useless of the world (just look through the comments in this article).  Tyler might apply for tax exempt status, either under Social Services or as the Church of Our Perpetual Conspiracy.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 23:35 | 2595851 TwoShortPlanks
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I think you're right. I reckon that since so many people have been made unemloyed they're looking for somewhere to hang-out and vent their built up aggression. ZH feels like a economic Repatrition Hospital, full of wounded, bitter and resentfulness individuals who never got it right, tout about small victories but never admit that their losses outweighed their gains. There are some good bloggers though. I rarely post as I feel it's pointless with so many astute economists blogging and all. I have my own ideas about where everything's headed however, I read some blogs to see if anyone's got a new angle, to which I either modify my beliefs or shelve it for a time it seems to fit.

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 10:16 | 2596139 Max Hunter
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Cosimo, and yet you remain to comment and share your wisdom.. Fuck you and the "old posters are better" bullshit. I don't fucking care.. I live for today, not the better yesteryear.. And by the way, i'm not unemployed.. I do well.. Thanks for your concern..

ps.. I do think some of the old posters were great.. but if they've moved on, so what..

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 23:04 | 2597717 Bringin It
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Max DFTT

Like tits, I see they travel in pairs now.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 10:53 | 2594667 Max Hunter
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and that faggot hates Israel as much as your cocksucking fairy ass does.

Yeah right dickface.. all kinds of proof of that.. You're a fucking moron piece of shit israeli firster.. Go to hell

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 12:27 | 2594842 sun tzu
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can your shitty little brain tell us how overthrowing moderate brutal dictators and replacing them with hard-line muslim extremists helps israel? you dumbfucks lack logic. do you think the overthrow of mubarak was good for israel now that the muslim brotherhood is in charge? how about overthrowing gaddhafi and putting al qaeda in charge of libya? i don't give a rat's ass about israel, but stupid comments like yours are annoying.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 13:49 | 2594984 john39
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isreal prefers decimated destroyed neighbors, incapable of mounting a serious threat, economically or militarily.  the hard line muslim extreemists were created by the NWO to mind control populations.  evidence?  saudi arabia, run by a bunch of cryptos posing as wahibi extremists.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 14:22 | 2595043 Max Hunter
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Exactly John.. Not to mention, anytime Syria and/or Iran has their power reduced or threatened is good for Israhell and their goal of more land and less Muslims.. I'm sure that moron can't wrap his brain around that riddle though.. just like it's meant to be..

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 14:35 | 2595070 Max Hunter
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Sat, 07/07/2012 - 18:56 | 2595349 cranky-old-geezer
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That fucking bitch won't be happy until we are all bleeding for Israhell..

Hillary (and Obama) couldn't care less about Israel.  What they DO care about is trying to cut off China's oil supply from Iran.

They're trying to turn every ME nation against Iran, and where they meet resistance they try to overthrow the government and install a puppet government, Syria being the latest example.

They won't just ring up NATO and go into Iran like they did Lybia.  Why?  Because Russia and China have warned it would be met with financial retaliation on American financial markets and thermonuclear retaliation on American cities.

China isn't gonna put up with Obama cutting off their oil supply from Iran.  Russia is backing China up on this one.  Russia isn't gonna put up with it either.

Ultimately Obama is trying to prevent a new pan-Asian trade currency and clearing system from being developed.  He knows it would mean the end of the US dollar.

Whoever takes Obama's place would have the same task, trying to prevent a pan-Asian trade currency and clearing system from being developed.

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Sun, 07/08/2012 - 23:09 | 2597724 Bringin It
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Geezer, you need to google aipac and refresh your memory.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:05 | 2594039 Socialized Losses
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Hell yes Peter Pan. We don't have a dog in the fight over there. It's just terrorist (Ibadi, Kharijite‎, Ahmadi‎, Quranist, Shi'a, Sufii, Alawi, Sunni, Israeli) vs. terrorist (Ahmadi‎, Ibadi, Kharijite‎, Ahmadi‎, Quranist, Shi'a, Sufi, Alawi, Sunni, Israeli). It is OK to supply both sides with bullets, but not US/NATO bodies!!

The most efficient war on terror is fomenting cousins vs cousins. Each of them stabbing the other in the back will keep them too preoccupied to think about doing any terrorism outside their borders.

Violent Middle East chaos is the best anti-terror weapon there is.  We (USA) need to get out of their sovereignty & politics. I don't give a damn who they give power to. Whoever it is will sell their oil to us (if they have any). Isn't that all we really want?

Full Disclosure: I do have a $1 bet that Assad is still in power in Syria a year from now.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 10:04 | 2594607 engineertheeconomy
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Your "war on terror" could be more accurately defined as a "war on independance". The real terrorists are the malevolent sociopaths protecting the military banking complex and its insanely massive wealth transfer

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 02:43 | 2594303 AnAnonymous
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Hillary is intent on playing chess on someone else's chess board using not her daughter as a chess piece but some other anonymous daughter or son from Ohio, Detroit, Texas or wherever.

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The draft is over in some US citizen nations.

In those nations, US citizens recruits join on their own decision. She might be play chess but with consenting adults who revel in joining with a 1:100(or less) death ratio, taking a nice blood money reward, getting lots of jobs opportunities and being worshipped as heroes at home.

There is poorer treatment of pawns.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 12:07 | 2594770 Temporalist
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Look I know you are retarded so I'll go easy on you.  When the economy tanks there are more lost souls that have few choices and one of those "choices" is to join the military (so the worse an economy does the more cannon fodder).  They are mostly poor destitute people that have seen the ads on TV promoting the military as the best thing for humanity since penicillin and will help save the world "The Navy: A Force for Good" (just ignore all the missiles, gunships, drones and bombers). "Army: Be All That You Can Be" (and make sure others can't be by destroying their country and killing their innocent family).

 

Those that "consent" that have not joined the military have also been brainwashed by the boob tube into believing there is imminent danger if the US doesn't kill everyone that dissents with US exploits and imperialism or they have been brainwashed from youth by their parents, communities and religious leaders to believe in heaven and angels (much like those same poor brown people that have joined the "opposition" believe in virgins and martyrdom for their gods) and that their version of god is right and all else must be heretical and extinguished.

 

Obviously that doesn't include everyone but I'd have to say it's the majority.

 

I could take a retarded adult, much like you, and tell him/her to run into a full courtroom with a bucket of shit and throw it on the jury, and they would probably do it, but that doesn't make them responsible more than it makes me culpable.

 

Religion and state are rapists of the mind and usually people assaulted (mentally/physically/sexually) in their youth have mental problems in adulthood. 

 

Just as a note, veterans account for 20% of ALL suicides in the US (and that number may be low).

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